WEBVTT - BONUS: David Blaine with Rick Rubin 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:14.280 Pushkin. Hey, y'all, it's justin Richmond. Like all of us, 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.200 Rick Rubin has been thinking a lot about fear lately, 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.759 and few people on the planet understand fear in the 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.400 same way as Rick's good friend David Blaine. David has 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.599 made a career of pushing his mind and body to 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.000 the limit with crazy public stunts like staying awake for 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.960 sixty three hours while standing in a block of ice 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.840 in the middle of Times Square, or fastened for forty 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.440 four days while suspended thirty feet in the air and 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.080 a plexiglass cube in London. Feeds that blew my mind 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.440 growing up, So Rick thought David might be a great 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:47.440 person for y'all to hear from about facing fear. Obviously, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.919 this conversation isn't about music, but it does touch on 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:53.159 one of Rick's other great loves. Magic. When he was 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.200 a kid, Rick studying magic, and since then magic's becomes 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.360 so much more than just slight of hand for him. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.400 He uses the idea of pulling something out of nothing 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.640 in his music making, so it makes sense that he 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.840 would turn to one of the best living magicians for 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.679 words of wisdom. In this conversation, David Blaine runs through 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.319 his most legendary public stunts and explains in excruciating detail 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.720 what he went through physically and emotionally at each step. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.160 He also explains his relatively simple formula for getting through 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.160 physical and psychological stress. The secret, it turns out, is 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.600 that we can all handle a lot more than we think. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.080 This is broken record liner notes for the digital age. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:39.880 I'm justin Richmonds. Here's Rick Rubin and David Blaine, who 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.640 connected recently on zoom. The reason that I wanted to 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:51.200 talk to you is I'm feeling a collective fear in 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.000 the air. I feel like I feel like I'm not 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:58.400 feeling my fear so much as I'm feeling everybody's fear. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.640 That there's like a cloud of year in the air. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.720 I started thinking about different times in my life I've 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.680 been afraid of something or people I know who have 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.720 insights into fear. And I remember when I was learning 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.200 to spend time in the ice in an ice bath 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.400 that the longest I could ever stay in was a 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.400 few minutes until I did it with you. And when 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.560 I did it with you, your perspective on it opened 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.440 my mind and helped me deal with the fear of 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.040 staying longer and you talked me through it, and in 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.720 that experience, it opened me up to conquer a fear. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.520 So I wanted to talk to you in general about 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.360 the idea of conquering fears. Sound good, Yeah, that's great. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.440 What's uh? Tell me a little bit about your relationship 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.880 to fear. Well, you know, I mean, I guess my 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.040 outlook on everything was already My mother gave me this 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.160 confidence as a kid. But when she was really sick, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.400 when she was dying, instead of focusing on the difficult part, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.360 of the sad part, of the painful part, she looked 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.600 at the beauty and everything, so she didn't focus on 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.080 herself and complaints. So she made death very poetic and 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.240 very beautiful, which I think is like one of the 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.360 best gifts you can give to your kid, because that 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.160 immediately made me not afraid of the unknown, which is dead. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.560 But as far as I was always pushing my body 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.280 to do things that were like difficult and probably dangerous 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.360 since I was five years old. And here's the simple 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.640 formula for it. Simple formula is you you don't just 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.000 jump into the unknown. You go step by step by 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.880 step by steps slowly. So if you go like if 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.520 I was to say ok I'm gonna hold my breath 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.400 for twenty minutes. I'd be afraid that I's gonna have 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.080 cardiac I'll be dead. But you don't start like that, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.320 you said, Okay, well I did three and a half minutes, 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.440 and as a kid, there's people that are free divers 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.000 that have done this amount of time. Let me train 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.920 with the best people. Let me slowly build a resistance 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.880 or a tolerance and understand the pain that I'm going 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.280 to go through so I could process it and fight it. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.960 So my outlook on the corona. And obviously I'm not 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.560 a doctor, so I can't give advice. But the way 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.480 I look at it is you have to do the 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.320 things that you know are best. So you clean your 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.000 diet up. You don't eat products that create mucus, like 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.160 dairy or processed shivers or breads or things like that. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.800 You have ginger, you have garlic, You have you know, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.960 sixteen ounces of water before every anything that you drink. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.679 You keep yourself hydrated. So you do all the things 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.080 that you can to really be ready for the fight. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.040 Because fear, like let's say you're anasmatic, which I was 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.240 as a kid, and have a small and average lung capacity. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.560 It's scary. I think I'm corona is going to couldn't 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.760 give me pneumonia types, you know, and my lungs could 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.120 shut down. So what I want to do is, if 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.480 I was a smoker, which I'm not, I wouldn't touch 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.880 cigarettes because why do anything that can make the virus 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.640 that much more you know, effective in its path to 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.719 destroy you. So that's number one. Number two, as you 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.440 follow all the rules, you know, don't go near people 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.400 as much as you can, try to avoid contact other 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.560 than the people that you're quarantined with, obviously. And then 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.920 for me, the other thing that I really like to 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.240 think about, which is I would say if you also 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.160 study it from the point of view. And I'm not 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.880 saying that this is right or wrong, it's it's just 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.520 my perspective. But the reason we don't want the virus 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.320 to spread as quickly as it's spreading because you don't 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.440 know you have symptoms, you're not aware of it, you 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.320 don't feel anything often, and you're very contagious, right, So 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.239 you don't want to spread everywhere. Not that we couldn't 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.520 fight it, it's just that you don't want the hospitals 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.279 to suddenly become flooded, which is what's happening, and then 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.640 everybody's losing the hospital beds, the respirators, and it's a shutdown. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.560 So it's not that you want to fear the virus. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.640 You want to do the right precautions to protect not 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.880 even just yourself, everybody around you. So I think knowledge 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.560 is basically the best way to overcome fear. Now, I 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.080 was a kid, my mother the only fear she gave 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.520 is when she saw not cockroaches, as would roll with them, right, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.560 but when she saw like spiders or stain bugs. Oh. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.200 So I was always afraid of like little bugs, not cockroaches, 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.760 but I was afraid of every other little bug. So 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.000 my magician friends would come over. We'd be brainstorm magic 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.080 and like I'd see a bug and like ah, they 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.560 thought I was a joe kid, right, but I wasn't. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.760 So to get over that fear, I would have people 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:45.039 come over with bugs, insects, spiders, you know, everything, and 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.320 I'd play with them. But that's temporarily getting over it. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.960 So a fluke happened and I really got over my 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.359 last fear, which was an insect, certain insect. So I 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.240 took my brother to Botswana, and he's the most afraid 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.200 of everything, so I can't teach him how to get 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:05.039 over that. But anyway, we go to Africa and we're 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.800 in these little tents and we're with the guy who 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.840 died who he was the lion Man. He goes out 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.000 with the lions and he actually looks like a lion, 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.760 and he brings a roll of toilet paper, no weapons, nothing, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.320 and he calls out with the wild lions and when 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.320 they attack him. He could see it on YouTube. He 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.560 would throw the toilet paper like fake though, and the 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.680 lions would jumping away. This guy grew up in the 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.360 bush with the lions, so he and hippos, he would 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:34.440 scare them. His presence was unbelievable. But anyway, so that 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.640 night after we went out with the lions and he 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.440 crawls out with them and he plays with the you 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.560 know them while they're eating the zebra. He's really unbelievable. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.360 But that night I went to bed and I gave 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.000 my brother a night fish that I had, a really serious, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.920 high tech one, which I shouldn't have done. So he 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.840 hears something walking throughout his tent and then my tent, 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.840 but really mostly around his tent, and you know, I 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.640 just assumed it's an elliston. I don't know. My brother 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.920 looks through and it's a hippo just circling it, and 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.520 he hears the hippos are the most deadly animals and 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.640 that they'll just chomp through in half. Right, So my 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.640 brother doesn't sleep the whole day he's just looking through 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.360 this thing. And so what happened with me is balmb 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.520 in this tent. I'm being careful because even if it's 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.760 an elpha more right, you don't want to get anything 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.679 can happened. Right. So I'm in this little tent alone 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.000 and I put my phone light on and I look 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.920 up and there's thousands of bugs all over the top 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.920 of my tent. I'm like, okay, we're in this together. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.360 And I realize that those insects were my friends, not 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.680 even joking, And from that moment onwards, I was never 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.400 afraid of insects. So sometimes it is just like a 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.000 fluke thing. But often I think it's like, you know, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.120 the process of trying to understand the information, to get 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.840 over and to learn and to accelerate. So it's like 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.080 and I also look at things as a challenge, So 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.880 like even with my daughter when she takes a shower 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.760 in the morning. We used to I would tell her, Okay, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.839 let's crank it the cold, you know, and I just 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.160 want her so when all of her friends won't go 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.600 on the ocean because the ocean's gold or our family, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.480 she goes right in. And it's just the mindset of like, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.240 I can overcome this, you know. So it's like and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.120 that translates across the board. So whether you're running as 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.480 hard as you can or holding your breath, or you know, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.720 it's standing up in one place for seventy three hours, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.400 things like that that you have to endure slowly, build 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.120 a tolerance, have an understanding of what you're really doing, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.720 do the research, study with the smartest people that you can, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.120 and and and that's the best way to you know, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.120 I think, to work on facing the fear in the 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.400 most diligent and efficient way. How do you deal with 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.680 the when you're in it. I'll give you an example. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:52.280 One time I was bodysurfing in Venice with a mutual 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.480 friend of ours and the waves are getting big and 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.160 it seemed normal at first, and then the waves you're 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.000 getting bigger and bigger, and it was a pretty big 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.240 day to begin within the ways, we're getting bigger, and 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.320 we're out next to a pier, and then the waves 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.320 started crashing over the pier, like really big, and I 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.480 remember our friend looking at me and saying, you know, 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.400 it keeps feeling like this, We're going to be in trouble. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.240 And that was the last thing he said, and then 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.680 he was gone. And then I'm sort of in the 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.839 drop zone and just waves are crashing on me and 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.600 came really close to the ground, and I remember thinking, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.600 I know, the worst thing I can do is panic. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.240 So I know panic panic will only hurt in this situation. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.320 But when you're being held under water by waves, or 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.000 when you come up for a breath and a wave 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:50.120 crashes you, even there's a conversation that goes on between 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.360 I know I'm not supposed to panic, that this isn't 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.360 going to help me, and the other voices there's nowhere 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.760 we're panicking. It's hard to control. I think, you know, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.400 number one rule of the twenty one laws of the 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.080 samurais accept everything exactly the way it is. And I 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.599 think even in the worst situation, when you panic and 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.440 go crazy and let it over, you won't you won't 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.959 win that battle. So you kind of have to accept 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:24.200 what the situation is and then in a very careful 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.040 and clever way to try to outremovering it, but without 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.080 fighting it, because you're never going to be the ocean, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.679 so so you have to kind of smooth into it 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.560 and have the faith that you can be under for 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.800 a little more than you think. You can't even relax 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.600 and kind of go with it a little bit, which 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.280 is the only option. But have you ever had that 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.680 come up, like in the midst of a challenge. Have 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.800 you had it come up of what do I do now? 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.840 Every time I'm holding my breath for a really long 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.920 breath hold, my heart gets really weird and it does 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.840 these strange things, and that makes you get more focused 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.160 on the heart and it doesn't help. So I've learned 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.400 over the years, even when pushing to the extreme, you 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:13.160 just accept it and go with it. So you know 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.760 that that's the best thing that I've learned. When I'm 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.240 pushing to those extreme places and it gets a little 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.440 out of control, Let's talk about each one of the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:28.240 things that you've done, and then in each case, what 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.160 were the most difficult moments? So you know, so when 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.320 I did the first stunt was buried alive. It was 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.400 one dni die before you have the chance to do. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.920 And Bill Colluse, you know, said, yeah, you can go 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.319 to Central Park bury yourself. You'll sneak out and then 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.560 you'll come back a month later. And so what's the 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.000 point of that, Like, what's the fun of that. I'm 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.720 gonna really do it, And instead of doing it under 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.680 dirt like the Fakirs used to do it, I'll just 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.720 do it in a sea through boxes. I was thinking, like, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.120 you know, I've seen my mom laying a bed not 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.640 moving for a very long period of time. I can 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.480 at least lay in a little coffin for a week. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.160 And I was right. And I'd also rented Artha, so 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.520 I had fasted as a kid. I had done you 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.080 know those things, so I understood that that's all doable. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.280 So I had fasted for a week before buried a life, 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.840 just to clean everything out because I knew I wasn't 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.960 able to go to the bathroom. I'll bet the number 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.640 two and the whole thing. And I put a coffin 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.400 in Bill's living room where I was. I was sleeping 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.560 in his pants room buying his kitchen at the time, 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.599 and I put a coffin in his living room that 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.360 I got in Queens, and I started practicing. I'd just 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.320 sleep in the coffin. I was like, yeah, this isn't 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.559 so hard. And I would stay there for a couple 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.320 of days and I learned how to pee into one 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.560 of those little bag whatever. I did the whole process, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.280 and I was clean, systems clean, ready to go, stunts 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:54.480 about to stunts about to start, and I was clean. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.360 Just water. Bill that type of thinking it doesn't make 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.680 sense to him. So he's like, here, have this, and 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.400 he gives me a drink that was called a Mango Mama. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.000 So I don't know why I listened to Me's like 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.120 take this. I was like, Bill, I don't think. So 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.520 he's like, hey, you'll just pee it out because I 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.600 had a fuckerstup to pee. So I drink the Mango 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.600 Baba and I do my first big stunt. I get 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.600 buried alive in the middle of New York. So you 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.560 see through the whole thing in no way out for 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.640 a week right away, like eight hours later, I'm like, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.960 oh no, and I have to go to the bathroom. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:38.040 But a number two and rick for a week, I 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:45.920 had to hold it in it was the warms anyway anyway, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.320 But you know, it's fine. So I do the stunt, 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.680 you know, and it was difficult and all that stuff, 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.760 but that one getting used to it. Things that you 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.160 don't think about. It's like, how am I going to 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.840 do a number one? There's people staring at me the 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.880 whole time, day, night. It became really crowded. So it's 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.240 it's like when people are looking at you around the 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.760 clock and you have to pee, it's difficult. You don't 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.240 think about those things when you're practicing in the coffin 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.720 by yourself, right, So what I would have to do 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.560 at the beginning, so I would close my eyes and 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.720 I would just pretend I was in front of the bathroom. 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.480 It would take me like an hour and I'd be 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.440 able to do the you know, take a number one again, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.680 no number two the whole time. But then eventually, by 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.040 like day three, I'd be waving and smile wing and 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.160 be like no but so no, but so the buried alive. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.040 But that's done. I did it, and I always look 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.840 at it. It's like I could do that like nothing 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.200 like easy tomorrow. So okay. So the next stunt was 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.760 the block of ice training for that, I would get 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.400 in ice bass all the time. How do you get 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:59.240 the idea for it? First of all, after buried alive, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.960 I was like on an airplane, like from coming back 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.240 from somewhere really nice, and I just started thinking about 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.760 an insect in a piece of ember, like how cool 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.160 that looked the whole thing, And I was like, maybe 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.480 I could do something like that with like a big 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.400 piece of ice and then put it in the middle 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.680 of New York. So I looked frozen in the block 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.640 of ice, and obviously it would be cut around me 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:27.200 two pieces. So step one was I went to an 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.680 ice locker and just got in the ice locker to 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.120 see how much I could endure, which is a nightmare. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:39.640 It wears you down quickly. Step two was I built 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:44.160 an ice igloo, just blocks of ice together like a 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.760 regular ice car or put it together, and I was like, oh, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.880 this isn't so bad because the ice is against you, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.800 but it's enough away that it's actually like an igglue effect, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.720 so you could handle it. Now. When I did the 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.080 real block of ice, I got the ice from an 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.840 iceberg in a lassus. It was frozen and cold a temperature, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.280 so it's really see through did that block of ice 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.760 when we brought it in. There was a couple of 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.919 things I hadn't prepped for at all that you know, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.840 those unknown things that you don't think about. Number One, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.600 it keeps dripping on you over and over, which is 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.160 kind of a weird form of just drives you out 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.880 of your mind. Number Two, you can't fall asleep because 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.879 if you lean into the ice, you get frostbite and 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.680 you'll ket to cut off that part of your face 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.200 whatever it is. Number Three, standing up for that entire 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.679 duration sixty three hours. I practiced it, leaning and stuff 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.640 like that, but not for that length of time. And 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.119 then the only thing that was to my advantage was 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.600 it was November twenty seventh to November twenty nine, two thousand, 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.639 and it was a warm November, so the air that 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.960 was coming through was you know, sixty eight degrees, which 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.560 created the drop, but it also really kept it not 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.640 so bad. Of course, the ice was raided. Now, the 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.760 worst part of it that I could have never thought 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:07.359 about at that time was sleep deprivation plus torture, meaning 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.320 standing out the entire time, nothing to lean on, the 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.199 ice radiating the cold against you put you in an 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.959 hallucinatory state because you're trying to sleep, because your body 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.320 knows to build the immune system and to function me 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.199 to sleep, but you can't go to sleep because you 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.080 know if you go to sleep, it's going to be 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.439 really bad. So while you're in the situations like I 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.520 can stay awake right now for five days if I 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.480 had a few people helping, but in that situation, very 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:41.080 very difficult. What happens is your brain touches into your 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.920 worst spears. So your brain goes into whatever you're most 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.560 afraid of and it puts that all over you. So 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.960 I started seeing spiders crawling all over my body and 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.520 all these weird things because your brain is trying to 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.199 trick the other part of your will that's trying to 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.199 stay awake to make you go to sleep, and you 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.840 don't go to sleep, you start having dreams and nightmares, 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.840 but your eyes are completely open. So my eyes were 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.760 wide open, and I was having this insane hallucinogenic dream 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.159 like wallawake steak, but not knowing if it was a 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.359 dream or if it was fake. And your brain is 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.960 slipping away, and the only thing that can get you along, 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.760 I think is I had support from a couple of 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.480 people that I loved and trusted, and they're like, you're 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.560 gonna be okay, and it was enough for me to 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.199 think that maybe they were right. When the guy started 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.080 cutting through the ice of the chainsaw, I tried to 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.040 grab the chainsaw. I didn't know. I didn't know what 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:40.480 it was. And you know that one because of the 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.960 sleep up provision. I always say I would never ever 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.119 do that again. Ever. By the way, little things that 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:48.960 go wrong is you have a catheter which is like 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.200 a trucker's tube, which is like a condom with a 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.960 tube coming off of it. One of the PA's working 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.840 on the stunt didn't know and he was vacuuming underneath 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.480 the water thing and he hit that hose and like, oh, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.320 you know, but your brain is already on a So 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.600 it's it's like exaggerated big time. I'll give you one 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.000 example of what happened, so you know, it was twenty 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:10.960 four to seven in time squares, so people, I mean 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.880 three days, but people could continuously come day and night 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.679 and somebody was in front of you. I mean it 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.760 was always crowded. But one of the people you lock 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.800 onto me, you feel comfortable. So one of the people 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.359 was passing by, I went, like, what time is it? 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.840 It was like, you know, it was day three, the 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.080 last day that it was supposed to tend to round 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.520 ten o'clock or something like that. It's like, what time 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.639 is it? And he said he went, I think it 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:40.200 was like around and four for something. So he went 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:45.879 four oh five. So I'm like, okay, four or that 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.399 means I have about six more hours. I think, okay, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.480 I can do this. So I wait for as long 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.960 like I wait for hours because I don't want to 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.640 ask that question again. After waiting for hours, I look 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.280 at and I go, what time is it? And it's 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.040 the same guy And I didn't even realize that, and 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:15.280 he goes four oh six. Of like, but you know, 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.680 the Native American India, a lot of people use sleep deprivation, 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.320 but in a controlled environment to go to that hallucinogenic 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.000 dream light state. And it is incredible because there is 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.600 a part of it that's like one of my favorite 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.199 journeys I've ever taken. Not recommended to anybody ever, but 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.040 there is a part of it that's like, wow, you know, 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.040 were you were you able to explain what you were 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:42.280 seeing and feeling the whole time? Everything voices talking to 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.520 through people appearing in the ice, everything that you can 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.240 imagine that you're dreaming of, just and just everything goes 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.600 through your mind, your body, and it's it's hyper real. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.040 It's it's it's like having dreams but you're awake and nightmares. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.320