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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, y'all, it's justin Richmond. Like all of us,

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin has been thinking a lot about fear lately,

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Speaker 1: and few people on the planet understand fear in the

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Speaker 1: same way as Rick's good friend David Blaine. David has

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Speaker 1: made a career of pushing his mind and body to

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Speaker 1: a plexiglass cube in London. Feeds that blew my mind

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Speaker 1: growing up, So Rick thought David might be a great

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Speaker 1: person for y'all to hear from about facing fear. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this conversation isn't about music, but it does touch on

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Speaker 1: one of Rick's other great loves. Magic. When he was

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Speaker 1: a kid, Rick studying magic, and since then magic's becomes

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Speaker 1: so much more than just slight of hand for him.

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Speaker 1: He uses the idea of pulling something out of nothing

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Speaker 1: would turn to one of the best living magicians for

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Speaker 1: words of wisdom. In this conversation, David Blaine runs through

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Speaker 1: his most legendary public stunts and explains in excruciating detail

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Speaker 1: what he went through physically and emotionally at each step.

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Speaker 1: He also explains his relatively simple formula for getting through

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Speaker 1: physical and psychological stress. The secret, it turns out, is

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Speaker 1: that we can all handle a lot more than we think.

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Speaker 1: This is broken record liner notes for the digital age.

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Speaker 1: I'm justin Richmonds. Here's Rick Rubin and David Blaine, who

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Speaker 1: connected recently on zoom. The reason that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk to you is I'm feeling a collective fear in

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Speaker 1: That there's like a cloud of year in the air.

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Speaker 1: I started thinking about different times in my life I've

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Speaker 1: I did it with you, your perspective on it opened

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk to you in general about

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Speaker 1: the idea of conquering fears. Sound good, Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 1: What's uh? Tell me a little bit about your relationship

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Speaker 1: to fear. Well, you know, I mean, I guess my

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Speaker 1: But as far as I was always pushing my body

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Speaker 1: and as a kid, there's people that are free divers

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Speaker 1: So my outlook on the corona. And obviously I'm not

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Speaker 1: things that you know are best. So you clean your

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Speaker 1: So it's not that you want to fear the virus.

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Speaker 1: favorite part ever, jumping one hundred foot into cardboard boxes

430
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Speaker 1: which not into an air bag, you know, which was

431
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: my favorite part. But I trained them was so specific

432
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: and knew I was going to jump off and exactly

433
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: hit the mark. But because I had a mic on

434
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: and they opened it so I couldn't tell. Everybody stopped

435
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: with adding these boxes and they all got freaked out

436
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: because the buildings behind me when I would look because

437
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: I was hallucinating, they started to look like animal heads.

438
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: So I would see like a lion, and I was like, wow,

439
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know those buildings were shaped like lions. And

440
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: they'd be like, they're not. Then they thought I was.

441
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: They thought I wasn't going to jump into the box

442
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: likes that made this huge thing and anyway, so that

443
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of upset me, but that's all right. The other

444
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: one upset me was on the Drown the Live I Want.

445
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: I said, no matter what, if I don't get to

446
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: the record, you guys, do not pull me out, period,

447
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: because I want to go for the record. And it

448
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: like I cracked early and I started black I'm about

449
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: to black out, and one of my best friends was

450
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: in the front and he yells get out because he

451
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: was so freaked out. So they jumped in and pulled

452
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: me out before I got to like the number because

453
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: the number is what's important to me, you know, and

454
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: all the stunts, the numbers are so important. Oh and

455
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: that's part of it also, is if you use numbers,

456
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: like use numbers to get there, like, oh, I'm gonna

457
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: quate this, so I'm gonna do I'm gonna get to halfway.

458
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: The I'm gonna get to halfway, I'm gonna go backwards

459
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: and I have this much and this much and then

460
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: eight them and you start working it backwards by numbers,

461
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: and it really helps. So even when I'm running like training,

462
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: if I'm running around the loop at Central Park, you

463
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: know the six point two miles. But what I do is,

464
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: I'll I count the steps, so I'm like, okay, it's

465
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: actually forty four hundred right feet steps. I would count

466
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: the steps to get around and then you can keep

467
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: going because it's a number scap so you can get

468
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: halfway start to count again. So that that's another thing

469
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: that helps me get focused. As numbers. Yeah, it's really

470
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Speaker 1: interesting with numbers. I have a technique that i'll i'll

471
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: share with to prolong things and I find that it

472
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: works in um you can do it with when you're exercising,

473
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: but I also use it when I'm in the ice tub.

474
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Speaker 1: Let's say I can do forty slow breaths when I'm

475
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Speaker 1: in the ice Yeah, forty slow breaths is like on

476
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: a typical day, maybe five between five and six minutes.

477
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: And if you change the way you count. Instead of

478
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 1: counting every breath is one death, now I count, I

479
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: use the number one for each of the first four breaths,

480
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Speaker 1: and then I use the number two for the next

481
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: four breaths. Yeah, yeah, And it's great. And after you've

482
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: done it for a while, getting to the number forty

483
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: and if you don't allow yourself to do math, which

484
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: is a real key to it, you can't allow yourself

485
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: to figure out what it is. But something about keeping

486
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: the numbers lower even though you're doing it longer in

487
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: your mind, Yeah, you haven't been in that long. There's

488
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: part of you, the brain part of it doesn't kick

489
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 1: in a feeling like you're getting towards the end. So

490
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: it's good. It's a good technique. And if you really

491
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: think about it's like, even when we push it at

492
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: the highest level, we're only pushing like forty percent. So

493
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: if you really max out, you're like sixty percent. You know,

494
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: a hypothetical ustimated numbers. But the max out would be

495
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: your breaking point, right, So, but which nobody ever gets to.

496
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: But I'm saying so, if you can trick your brain,

497
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: you can override your body and deal with the pain

498
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: of wanting to quit or shut down by fooling yourself.

499
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I do. Don't You don't You're not

500
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: as aware of how hard it is, so soon it

501
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: takes away one of the rick. That's how I do

502
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: everything everything. And by the way, the only other thing

503
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: that I add to it is I never stop at

504
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: the mark. I always have to go at least one

505
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: over always, because you train yourself to never quit before

506
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: you get to the goal. I have a lot of friends.

507
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: They'll run like, oh, let's run a five k, and

508
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: they'll stop at three miles. I'm like, you just have

509
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: to go that little extra bit, you got it, and

510
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: then go more because someone you have to do the

511
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: real task. You have that in your mind, like I'm

512
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: not gonna quit until I not just get there, but

513
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: pass it. So it's a numbers game. Okay, So now

514
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: we're up to the So you've done the pillar and

515
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: you say it's easy, but still standing on your feet

516
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: for how many hours? Was it? That was only thirty

517
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: six hours. You were standing ninety feet in the air.

518
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: So there's the yeah, high train for that. Put a

519
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: flower pot. I lived on the sixteenth floor of a

520
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: building in New York. I just put a flower pot

521
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: in the little corner of the roof and just stand

522
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: there all the time, just stare down. That was it.

523
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: So I just, oh I could. It's like, let's say

524
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: you had to do it, if you had to stand

525
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: up on a book, what's the big deal you have

526
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: to stand up on a book for you could do

527
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: it right. So it's just that if that book is

528
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: up one hundred feet it changes your brain. But really,

529
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: if you're committed to I'm gonna stand on this platform

530
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: for thirty six hours, you're just you're just canmitting to it.

531
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: So then you have to override the brain's impulses and

532
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, oh this is too much. You just gotta

533
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: figure So I just built I built that one up slowly.

534
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I'll just stand on flower pots on the top of

535
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the roof. By the way, from one time the flower

536
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: pots shattered on the top of that was crazy. What's

537
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: after the pillar? That was two thousand and two and

538
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, I went to London to forty

539
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: four days in a box that one. Once again, I

540
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: probably pushed it a little too much. But once you

541
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: get over that point, once you get where you lose

542
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: all temptation, all sense, you know everything that all of

543
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: your dopea means you're adorned, everything goes away and you're

544
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: just on this sort of steady serotonin level where everything

545
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: you start to see colors like you've never imagined st blue.

546
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: It's like you cry when you see like wow, when

547
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: you see somebody smile, just a stranger, you both cry.

548
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: It's like it's this connective state where you have no

549
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: It's like you enter the spiritual and you completely leave

550
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the flesh behind. And that that is a Yeah, that's

551
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: that's an experience, one of the most important, other than

552
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: everything related to my door, but that's one of the

553
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: most important experiences in my life. Do you attribute it

554
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: to the fact that you weren't in the other ones

555
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about, there's you're more uncomfortable, there's more of

556
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: a sense of pain. This one, the forty four days,

557
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: was more just about the duration than the discomfort. I think,

558
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: is that right? I mean you start to feel pain. Basically,

559
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: if you read any book about extended fasting, it kind

560
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: of hits the notes. It's like it about a month

561
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: or twenty eight days, you really do you start to

562
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: have this sweet taste in your mouth. So I was

563
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: drinking water the whole time, but around day twenty eight

564
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: I started questioning harmony and everybody there. It's like Bill,

565
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: I was like I would pour the water because I

566
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: had to, but it was pure h to us, so

567
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: it was like no minerals, no nothing in it. And

568
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I would have a tube come down and I would

569
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: drink it. I think that like the people that supported

570
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: this in London, my Channel four, I was thinking, they

571
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: must want this to keep going. So they're spiking my

572
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: water with glucose, you know, I tasted. I'd make Harmony

573
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: band build my brother. I'd pour the water down to

574
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: my say taste this right now. They're sugar in it.

575
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: Pour it down, they drink it, you know, and I

576
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: think that they were all in on it. So I'd

577
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: get like a random stranger. I'd say, bring him all

578
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: the way up, do you have a copy the cup?

579
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: And then I'd pour the water down the catch it

580
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: the cup and taste is it water? So all the

581
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: guide put things of what happens during the fast, it

582
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: really did actually happen exactly. The information I had on

583
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: how long I could do it for came from a

584
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: physiologist at NASA, so he was you know, they want

585
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: to protect the astronauts, so they do all the due diligence,

586
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: all the research. They look into the terrible records from

587
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: World War two, things that most people wouldn't go into morally,

588
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: it's rang or ethically, so he would really just to

589
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: save nastro outsized say okay, how long can he human

590
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: actually go without food? How long can you human go

591
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: with just water? And they had really accurate specific notes

592
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: of what could be tolerated. And it pretty much worked

593
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: out exactly as I had assumed it. And what was it?

594
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: What were the most difficult parts of that? So many

595
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: amazing things happened. I have to say, if I was

596
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: doing that fast by myself, it would have been impossible,

597
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: which is why I put it in public, so public,

598
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: all sides visible. I knew I would just have to

599
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: do it. There's no cheating because you're you're as exposed

600
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: as it gets. But if I was trying to do

601
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: it by myself, forget it. But the only real difficulties

602
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: is little things that you don't think about. Like after

603
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: that amount of time, even though I had fasted and

604
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: cleaned out my system, your body is processing, and you

605
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: know I helped. I held there was barely, but I

606
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: helped the number two and for the entire time, obviously

607
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: most of at least through sweat and through your breath

608
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But and then you you override

609
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: it and then you don't have to go over again.

610
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: But that duration of that and then the only other

611
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: real real difficulty I think was as you start to

612
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: become really weak, your you know, your body goes into

613
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: this sort of like you're very stable almost you're very

614
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, minimalistic and all that stuff, but your heart's

615
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: moving differently because I guess from you know, you're you're

616
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: you're eating, you start to eat your organs, and my

617
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: bone mass and VEX decrease thirty troops. And also and

618
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: then what happens, you know, the London nurse, not the lone,

619
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: the media blue you know, start to make this supporting

620
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: forty four days in this let's make this a story.

621
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: So people would like fly like toy helicopters or cheeseburgers

622
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: on them around But that's been bother me. But what

623
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: would happen is people would like it in the middle

624
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: of a night, like shoot pink balls at the box

625
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and it was really cool looking, you know, it's like

626
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: this color month, but it was like that noise because

627
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: you don't think about that the way it echoes. I

628
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: wake up to that you know, so that kind of

629
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: thing just is a little crazy. But that's not the

630
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: difficult part. Difficult part is I think around day thirty

631
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: seven when I started to get the heart started to

632
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like it was gonna it wasn't right right because

633
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: it's decreased in size by a third or whatever it

634
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: is that it lost, and we have those records. Just afterwards,

635
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I went to the hospital. We had the New England Journal, Medicine,

636
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: Oxford Journal. We studied all the stuff. I gave the results,

637
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, the science, just because most people that do

638
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: these things are like striking or hunger strikes. But anyway,

639
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: so around that time, around day thirty seven, day thirty eight,

640
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: the heart starts to going. It starts to get really

641
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: really difficult because you think that you're going to collapse.

642
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, you get dizzy everything you do, any movement.

643
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: And and my mother passed away when I was young.

644
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: But um, before she died, she said to me, God

645
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: is loved. That was that was the last words that

646
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: she said. And she died in my arms. It was like,

647
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I said, the most difficult and most beautiful that she

648
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: could have given me. But um, so it around that

649
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: exact time, I was like I said in my head,

650
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I said, mom, if you think I should keep going,

651
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: give me a sign. And Rick, the tower bridge was

652
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: in front of me. Over there, these kids start young. Damn, damn,

653
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: I see them right when I said that. In my head,

654
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying that exact moment. And they have a rolled

655
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: up white thing, right, and they open it up and

656
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: they start walking down towards me. When they get close

657
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: to me, they keep open up. They open it all

658
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the way. They're holding it, like three of them, I think,

659
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: and it says God is loved. I was like, yeah,

660
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: I started crying, you know. But so that and then

661
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: you know those kind of signs is simple. You know,

662
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: are coinsida, whatever it is that's enough to keep going,

663
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: or if you know, or if the energy esus out there,

664
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: and you know, energy is never just so something she

665
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: put out there that just happened to connect at the

666
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: right moment, you know, those types of things. So I

667
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: kept going and pushed to the end, and you know

668
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: that was but like I said, it was. And so

669
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: it's like when you get the chance in the vertigo

670
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: I had it too, in the box, when you get

671
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: the chance to just really watch the sun go up,

672
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: go over the sky. Watch it the whole way up,

673
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: watch it the whole way down, and all the way around.

674
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Watch the river go up and down. It's amazing. It's

675
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: funny that we never get to do that in real life.

676
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: And then as soon as I was done with the stunt,

677
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: I was in the hospital recovering. You know, somebody sent

678
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: me a box from Harrods of food and I shouldn't

679
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: have eaten for a couple of weeks because that's the

680
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: most dangerous part. It's the refeeding syndrome, which is the

681
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: paper that we published was about that. As soon as

682
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: the doctor, who thought I was also cheating, by the way,

683
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: and Bill wanted me to take glucose vitamins with sugar,

684
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: said no, Bill, and I was right because my body

685
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: did go into starvation mode, so it was in the

686
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: metabolic great change to protect me. But anyway, so as

687
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: soon as I started that, like taking from the box,

688
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: taking the crisp and eating you know, the bagels, that

689
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: would as soon as you do that, the animal state returns.

690
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: Everything changes and then it's like your note, the spiritual

691
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: part of it, which is the most amazing part, fades

692
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: away very fast. So you go from like this this

693
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: state of like pure there's no body, there's nothing, the colors,

694
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: the wind, the sky, the sun, the earth, and then

695
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: back into the you know the normal world. So it

696
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: is something that I wish like everybody could experience on

697
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: because it is. And I think that's why those yogis

698
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: and monks, why they do those bomb fasts, because they

699
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: find that place where serotonin is riding their rain levels.

700
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: There's no one darkness, there's no dopamines. It's just a solid,

701
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: steady stay and you and you find something that you

702
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: could never you could never imagine or explain it. So

703
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: what was after the box? After the glass box two

704
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: thousand and three, After that was the drowned a lot

705
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: the water thing. That was my favorite one by far,

706
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: just the favorite across the board. I started holding my

707
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: breath when I was five years old. I was on

708
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: the swim team. At my feet turned in you know,

709
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: single mother Brooklyn Ymca, all the kids beating me instead

710
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: of swimming like normal like them, because when you have

711
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: to turn hit, I would just swim straight and I

712
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: suddenly I'm able to keep up because I'm not breathing.

713
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: So then I start going back and forth and I

714
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: start really as Wow, I could do it, and the coaches,

715
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't do that. It's like, I can do it.

716
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: And I did do it. And then the older kids

717
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: would come to see me do laps about breathing. That

718
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like that, and then they would compete

719
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: against me. So going water and I beat them all

720
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: the older older kids. So I'd say, listen, you can

721
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: go up and down as many times as you want.

722
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: I'll stay under the whole time. So I was able

723
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: to while they went up and down. I was able

724
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: to last like six of theirs. But they didn't know

725
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: the tech me. You know, going up and down and

726
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: doing that, it's not as efficient. It's just staying calm, right,

727
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: which is what I was doing. So the breath hole

728
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: began there and then I loved it. And then I

729
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: discovered Houdini at that age as well. I was reading

730
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: his books and he was the underwater King. He had

731
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: a record of three and a half minutes, so young teen,

732
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: I was able to do three and a half minutes,

733
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: no problem. I'd get out of the pool and blackout.

734
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: By the way, he didn't know that that's what was

735
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: going on. And then had the idea of putting a

736
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: spear shape the aquarium in the middle of Lincoln Center

737
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: and just living there like the human aquarium type then,

738
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: but like it's like a yeah, just a ball in

739
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: the middle of New York. Then seeing how long I stay.

740
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: So it was all so the longest that somebody would

741
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: submerged underwater continuously, it was seven days. So I spoke

742
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: to a guy that had the record that lived under

743
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: a lake and he gave me all the tips and

744
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: text He stayed under the boy for like five days,

745
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, here's what you need to do. So

746
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I kind of listened to him, studied what he was saying,

747
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I just did it. Didn't anticipate what

748
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: would happen to the hands and feet that you know,

749
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty the pain is pretty intense because all the

750
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: oils that protect you leave and then you know, the

751
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: wrinkled that extraordinarily, you know, beyond anything conceivable that that's

752
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: and the pain that comes with it with them being

753
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: that wrinkled and just some expansion and all that stuff

754
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: is crazy. But um, drinking liquids through a two you know,

755
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: stayed there seven Oh. Another thing you didn't anticipate sun

756
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: that spears like a magnifying glass, big piece of glass

757
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: filled water. Son's going to it actually burned a hole

758
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: in the metal walkway. It was so I was in

759
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: there for a week. My back was burnt, but like

760
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: not just burnt like red, I mean like like burnt,

761
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: like burnt burnt. And it stayed like that for like

762
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: seven months or something. You know, it's just like, yeah,

763
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: it was, and the pain it's just insane, but you

764
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: don't think about those things, and you're on water, so

765
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: it kind of and the gates it on some level.

766
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Until after where did where did you end up with

767
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the breath holding? Uh? Well I did actually with oxygen,

768
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: I did twenty minutes in two seconds, and just straight

769
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: breath holding. I had gotten up to seven forty seven.

770
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: The record was nine o eight. You can get the

771
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: guy had a huge advantage over me, not that that matters,

772
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: but he was very skinny, very tall tom Zetis, you know,

773
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: and and and his lung capacity, his total lung capacity

774
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: was almost double Line who was pretty extraordinary Sonny. But

775
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, you know. But anyway, I thought somehow,

776
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: what I thought was by living in this sphere, which

777
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: is why I decided to do the sphere before it

778
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: by living there would acclimate become condition. But also I

779
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: thought that by not eating for that amount of time,

780
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: metabolic rate would slow down and suddenly I'd be able

781
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: to hold my breath much longer. That's what I was

782
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: hoping for, But it doesn't really well. I started cracking

783
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: at seven away, so it doesn't really work like that.

784
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Then I went back trained to pure oxygen. Hypothetical record

785
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: at that time was ten minutes. There was no real

786
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: visuals on it, so I just started training just static

787
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: acting of breath holding with oxygen. So and then I

788
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: got my first try, and I had a bunch of

789
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: friends there that were top narrow bascular surgeons and doctors pulmonaris,

790
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: and when they saw that I was under for fifteen

791
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: minutes or nothing, they pulled me out because in their

792
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: mind it's like the body can endure that. That's not possible.

793
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, why did you do that? I

794
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: was fine and came in with pulmonary expert with telemetry

795
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: and everything attached. I had done a twenty minute and

796
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: two se I can breath hold before the OPRAH one,

797
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: which was seventeen oh four twenty minute and two second

798
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: breath hold. Heart rate dropped to eight beats curve minute

799
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: and they'd never seen that, and so they pulled me

800
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: out once again. I was like, why did you do that?

801
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: They were like, because you were about to go into

802
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: cardiac at cardiac death, I was like, perfectly fine. The

803
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: body does things, it adjusts, it adapts, and I don't

804
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: know if there's something to just accepting the situation and

805
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: riding it through the Alps, but it was. It was

806
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. And so when I had to do the

807
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: world record, which Tom Zetis pushed it right before I did.

808
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: He went on Regius and Kelly and pushed it to

809
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: sixteen thirty two from a hypothetical thirteen. So I was like, okay,

810
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I got to nail this. So when I got to

811
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: twenty or two, I felt like when I do Oprah,

812
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: I'd be okay. Getting to the seventeen past sixteen thirty two.

813
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: In a long breath hold, what are the phases of

814
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: what's going on? Mentally? You want to ideally it sounds silly,

815
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: but you want to keep your eyes closed. You want

816
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: to do it. Your brain takes a lot of energy,

817
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: so you want to kind of minimize on everything just

818
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: to preserve o' too. So you want to shut everything

819
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: down as much as possible. What I do is I

820
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: just I used to go through the alphabet, go to

821
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: the names, visit all different places, absorbed, drift under the ocean,

822
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: going to the abyss of the ocean, and just kind

823
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: of go all over. Then when so when I did

824
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: it on stage and stuff like that in my show,

825
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I move, I go upside down.

826
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: But going upside down I realized because Zudini used to

827
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: do it upside down, and I realize why, I think

828
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: while he was doing it is because if you think

829
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: about the way mammals that are underwater creatures, they big

830
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: breath and they die this way. So if you think

831
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: about it, when you're upside down head first, your lungs

832
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: aren't forcing the air out. They're forcing it's that position

833
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: the air is going into lung So it's like by

834
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: being upside down, it is a much easier position to

835
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: hold your breath. The only problem is getting there takes

836
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of energy and then getting out of it.

837
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: But when I'm upside down in the water tank, I

838
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: can kind of relax and almost go to sleep. Not

839
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: go to sleep, I mean go to that place you know,

840
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: so what was the last one. Well after that, when

841
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: I got really cocky and my trainer working on it,

842
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: It's like, you can never do a stunt that you

843
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: didn't prepare for. You need to do it and understand

844
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I did this upside down thing, and

845
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: I figured I had done, like, you know, six hours

846
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: upside down. I was like, I could do sixty hours this.

847
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: As soon as I go upside down, I'm up to

848
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: six hours. I didn't try peeing upside down for the

849
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: first time. Pee It's like, oh, you know, nightmare, I'm

850
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: upside down. And anyway, that that one was a disaster,

851
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: public disaster. Then I shut down for a long time.

852
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: I did something after that with the electricity where I

853
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: was in a Tesla coil seventy three hours standing up,

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Speaker 1: So I just went kind of back to, you know,

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Speaker 1: But there is one that I love that's the opposite.

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Speaker 1: It's not about you know, survival, and it's more about

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Speaker 1: the opposite end of that's more about poetry and beauty

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Speaker 1: I mean I can't. Yeah, I love those things. I

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Speaker 1: That's the real magic. Like to me, it's like the

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Speaker 1: That's magic. How does the body do that? Any of

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Speaker 1: the things that you've done, Just think about any techniques

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Speaker 1: or anything that you've learned that are helpful in terms

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Speaker 1: of people who are facing a struggle. I think rule

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Speaker 1: number one is accept everything just the way it is.

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Speaker 1: So that's rule number one, and then try everything in

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Speaker 1: your power to understand and to solve for what the

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Speaker 1: best possible approach to fixing the situations. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of it starts with like correcting little things that

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Speaker 1: you can manage yourself. Beautiful cool man, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: telling me stories, do Rick. Thanks again to David Blaine

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Speaker 1: for jumping on a zoom call with Rick. David's latest special,

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Speaker 1: The Magic Way, aired on ABC early this month. Check

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