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Speaker 2: Panthers dominated the Oilers, and it felt like it was

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Speaker 2: a little closer than what it was because you had

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Speaker 2: a couple of overtime games. It started out like, this

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Speaker 2: could be great, this will be epic. You're going to

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Speaker 2: get the best player in this sport, maybe the second

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Speaker 2: or third best player in the sport going against the Panthers,

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Speaker 2: a great team, and it never materialized. And now we

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Speaker 2: get back to back Cups, and of course now we

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Speaker 2: have to talk about what is a dynasty, which we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about here in a moment, and it might vary

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Speaker 2: from sport to sport. What is a dynasty? If you're

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, in your dynasty it was kind of spread out,

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Speaker 2: but it was dynastic. And then you look at the

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Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors a little bit spread out. It used

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Speaker 2: to be your dynasty was you win three in a row,

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Speaker 2: four in a row. Go back to the Celtics in

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Speaker 2: the sixties. They were winning every single year. But the dynasty,

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Speaker 2: I think the maybe the sport has different definitions. So

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Speaker 2: we'll explore that coming up. All right, poll question for

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Speaker 2: the first down of the program is going to be

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Speaker 2: what Stephen.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we could kick around the dynasty topic

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I would probably define a dynasty as, say, three titles

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Speaker 3: in somewhere between five to ten years. It doesn't have

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Speaker 3: to be three in a row, all right, but if

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Speaker 3: you're able to get three within that stretch, I can't

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Speaker 3: be longer than ten years. I think that that would

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Speaker 3: qualify you as sustained period of excellence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think this team was ever mentioned as

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Speaker 2: having a dynasty. This team won three titles in five years.

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Speaker 2: The San Francisco Giants every other year won titles.

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Speaker 3: That's a dynasty, is it or is it just a run?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, a good run or is it a dynasty?

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Speaker 2: But then if you don't make the playoffs I don't

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Speaker 2: think they made the playoffs in the other years. Can

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Speaker 2: you be a dynasty if you win, don't make the playoffs, win,

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Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs win, Yes, pulling.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly right, that's the team.

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Speaker 5: I was going to bring up.

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Speaker 7: Twenty ten World Series, miss a playoffs, twelve World Series,

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Speaker 7: miss the playoffs, fourteen worlds. That feels dynasty ish, though

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Speaker 7: ish three or five, like Seaton said, that's.

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Speaker 3: Ish, how that's feel super dynasty.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody gave them credit as having

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Speaker 2: the Giants got a dynasty. It was they're really good

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Speaker 2: in even number of years, and then they didn't make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I think you got to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: The years that you don't, I don't know, we're groaning,

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Speaker 3: we're groaning, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm a purest and you know I'm old school.

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Speaker 2: I'm a snob when it comes to my dynasties here, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: And I think those Giants teams had three different lineups,

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Speaker 8: so it wasn't like the same group of guys won those.

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Speaker 2: World Series t same manager though, hall of Famer yeah,

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Speaker 2: Chris Bochi yes uh. And they had Buster Posey okay,

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Speaker 2: and Madison Bumgardner. Other than that, Tim Litz. Tim was

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Speaker 2: he there for all of those I got to check

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Speaker 2: all very good, you know, I don't think so, Yes, Tom, to.

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Speaker 9: Me, the word dynasty has got to have a very

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Speaker 9: high bar to it besides just you know, making the playoffs.

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Speaker 9: And I think you've got to win three in a row,

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Speaker 9: and you got to get there three in five years.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't go much past five years. I think you've

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Speaker 9: got to win three and four. I'll wink at the

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Speaker 9: winning three and five years to use the word dynasty.

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Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants. Did they have a dynasty in your opinion?

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say it doesn't feel dynasty. You just said

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Speaker 6: three years, because it's baseball.

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Speaker 3: You just said three and five years.

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Speaker 6: I reluctantly for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: So it's one of those things he got even mine.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is why I like, we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about this whole morning long.

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Speaker 10: I understand.

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Speaker 9: But it's also like the Hall of Fame when you

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Speaker 9: hear it. But sometimes that's part of it too.

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Speaker 5: You just spend three in five years, right, But that's not.

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Speaker 9: A strict definition for me. This is what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 9: It should be something in the neighborhood of winning three

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Speaker 9: out of four years. But sometimes the last piece of

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Speaker 9: the puzzle is does that ring?

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Speaker 6: Does that ring true to you when you hear that

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Speaker 3: Just contradicted yourself a little bit? Yeah know a lot,

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Speaker 3: Yes it fit. I don't know anything about hockey. But

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Speaker 3: if you just look back sort of over the last

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Speaker 3: say ten years. It looks like on paper and if

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Speaker 3: you're a hockey fan, don't hold me to this. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I understand I might be wrong. It feels like they've

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Speaker 3: slowly been building over the last say like ten years,

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Speaker 3: from a team that sort of struggled into something great

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Speaker 3: into a powerhouse that they are now. Those feel all

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Speaker 3: like dynasty building type mo Okay.

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Lightning did they have a dynasty? The Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Lightning? Did they have a dynasty? Because if Florida

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Speaker 2: has one, then Tampa Bay had one. I think the

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Speaker 2: state of Florida has a dynasty going on when it

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Speaker 2: comes to hockey. But yeah, once again, it's tricky with

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Speaker 2: the definition of that, and we do get caught up

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Speaker 5: A dynasty or not a dynasty?

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Speaker 2: You know, you'll know it if I If I hear it,

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Speaker 2: then I'm going to react to it. Yes or no,

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Speaker 2: it's a dynasty, Okay. I think dynasties come in all

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Speaker 2: shapes and sizes. Yes, Marvin for.

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Speaker 8: Fritzi, would you consider the eighty Celtics a dynasty? They

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Speaker 8: won titles in eighty one, eighty four, and eighty six.

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Speaker 8: I think I would, well, wait, a minute.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference and for some reason San Francisco giants

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Speaker 2: me just to hear it.

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Speaker 9: Then Celtics, Yes, it's a total bias in the East

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Speaker 9: called whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 6: But I'm like giants now.

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Speaker 2: Say, because it's not the eighties when you would know

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Speaker 2: everybody's name and the start.

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Speaker 9: If you want to talk about you know, Sidney Wicks

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Speaker 9: and Jojo White and have the chick and Cowans.

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Speaker 6: And everything, I'm all in.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, yes, the Celtics can't be because they shared

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Speaker 7: titles during that run and that would get rid of it.

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Speaker 7: The Lightning won two Stanley Cups in a row. They

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Speaker 7: could have won three, which would have cemented them as dynasty.

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Speaker 7: They lost it. Here's a couple of dynasties, the New

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Speaker 7: England Patriots, starting at one, they won three out of

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Speaker 7: four Super Bowls, which enters you into dynasty category. They

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Speaker 7: went nine years without winning a Super Bowl, but they

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Speaker 7: were always in the AFC title gum almost always in it.

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Speaker 7: Then they won three in five years, so they had

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Speaker 7: both two dynasties and a run in between it. How

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Speaker 7: about this one, this is pure dynasty. Golden State Warriors,

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Speaker 7: they starting in twenty fourteen, they were in five straight

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Speaker 7: NBA finals and won three of them. That means a

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Speaker 7: sport ran through them for five years.

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Speaker 5: To say, Okay, was Lebron James a dynasty?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: No, he went to the NBA finals? How many years?

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Speaker 2: With nine and ten years?

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Speaker 5: Something? Crazy?

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Speaker 2: You went eighth street eight straight NBA finals? Like that's

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Speaker 2: an individual dynasty, isn't it? No matter where he went,

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Speaker 2: his team went.

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Speaker 5: To the NBA finals.

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Speaker 2: So I don't like, can you have a singular dynasty,

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Speaker 2: you know, not in a sport like uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: eight consecutive years.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Tom, you could.

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Speaker 9: Be an all time great. I don't think it could

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Speaker 9: be a person dynasty. I think dynasty to me is

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Speaker 9: a group or a team.

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Speaker 6: Make a dynasty.

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Speaker 9: You could have a dynastic career, but you can't be

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Speaker 9: a dynasty.

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Speaker 6: To me, that doesn't seem like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know what it means to

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Speaker 2: you anymore since you screwed up the San Francisco Giants.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but I don't think you can.

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Speaker 9: Call a person a dynasty like a great fighter who

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Speaker 9: went four with thirty three knockers.

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Speaker 6: He's a dynasty.

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Speaker 9: Just sounds strange language wise to call an individual a dynasty.

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Speaker 5: Was Tiger Woods a dynasty?

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Speaker 9: He's an all time great. I wouldn't call any person

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Speaker 9: a dynasty. I don't care how amazing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but we're talking about sustained winning and the common

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Speaker 2: uh ground or you know, common denominator was Lebron James

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Speaker 2: and all of that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, point, I.

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Speaker 7: Agree with you on this one. I think you've kind

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Speaker 7: of stumbled upon an individual dynasty and it's a new

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Speaker 7: thing because the sport ran through Lebron James for a decade.

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Speaker 7: Wherever he was, that's where the final was Tiger Woods

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Speaker 7: for ten to twelve years. The sport ran through him,

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Speaker 7: and so it is a different type of diyaste. But

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Speaker 7: you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean to say the same thing about the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: We could split it into two if you just want

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Speaker 3: to do you know, wins, but they they you know,

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Speaker 3: even when they were down, they still that first dynasty

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Speaker 3: air quotes is five super Bowl appearances in ten years.

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Speaker 5: I have no problem calling them a dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they've been a dynasty at two separate times book ended, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. It's that run of

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Speaker 2: whatever that was ten years where they didn't win a

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Speaker 2: super Bowl, but they still were in the conversation for

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Speaker 2: super Bowl. Like, can you include that in a dynasty

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Speaker 2: that if you don't win but you still get to

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Speaker 2: the championship? Does that factor in? Does it factor in

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Speaker 2: what you do in the years that you don't win

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Speaker 2: the championship? Should it factor in that the Giants didn't

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Speaker 2: even make the playoffs? I think it should.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Marvin, what about the eighties forty nine ers? So

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Speaker 8: they won a title in eighty one, then their last

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Speaker 8: title was in eighty nine.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's a dynasty.

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Speaker 8: You don't think so four titles in what nine years?

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Speaker 3: It feels pretty dynasty issue.

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Speaker 2: But then you also had other really good teams back

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Speaker 2: then you had the Giants, But that's that's what the Boys.

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Speaker 2: But they were also kind of on the cusp of

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Speaker 2: you know, dynastic as well.

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Speaker 8: But I think that's what makes their run even better

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Speaker 8: because you got to look at those teams that they

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Speaker 8: had to fight against to win those four super Bowls

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Speaker 8: eighty six Giants, eighty seven Redskins. The Vikings were really

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Speaker 8: good during that time. The Bears, Oh, sorry about that.

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Speaker 6: I heard of them almost like.

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Speaker 5: The eighties Lake that where the Bears, the eighty five Bears.

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Speaker 2: A dynasty, A onesie, A onesie, maybe the greatest one

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Speaker 2: off of all time. We're going to dine out on

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Speaker 2: this for decades.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Seaton, the NFL might be the toughest sport to

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Speaker 5: Salary cap. Do you have short careers.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should have started with the Webster Dictionary definition

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Speaker 7: Yes, conveniently, I have that up on my screen. A

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Speaker 3: Yes, hey, you know the flip side of that too.

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Speaker 2: every single year. Yes, Tom, is there a name or should.

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Speaker 9: There be a name for the anti dynasty? Like the

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Speaker 6: Should there be a term for that? Or you're just

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Speaker 11: You don't, but.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of went to horse before the cart thing.

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Speaker 5: Yes, what did you send me here? Definition of a dynasty?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was looking at dynasty to see you know,

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Speaker 9: You can call an athlete the dynasty, but to me

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Speaker 5: No, no, we're good.

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Speaker 6: So you may have something there, Thank you, Tom.

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Speaker 6: What about a dynasty thirty years covering hockey?

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Speaker 5: Is that a dynasty?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll give him a dynasty.

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Speaker 5: It feels like your four cents.

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Speaker 6: It's a broadcasting dynasty. Thirty years in a row covering

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Speaker 2: Chris Merman a dynasty, Bob Constance a dynasty, and Dan Patrick. No,

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Speaker 2: I didn't include myself. You're just trying to suck up.

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Speaker 5: I'm considered a gong is coming any time.

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Speaker 2: I almost gonged you for your giants. I almost. But

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Speaker 2: I'm trying not to go to the world too often.

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Speaker 3: Yes, those those teams Todd was just referring to called

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, pulling or krynasty because they're crying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to give you a bloop on that one, right, No,

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Speaker 1: been there covering the Stanley Cup Final for over thirty years.

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Speaker 5: He is a dynasty.

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Speaker 2: He's done it for thirty According to Fritzy Steve Levy

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Speaker 2: is a dynasty. You have covered the Stanley Cup Final

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Speaker 2: every year since nineteen ninety four. Congratulations, Steve DP, thank you.

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Speaker 10: It's quite an honored I appreciate.

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Speaker 5: Okay, the Panthers already a dynasty.

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Speaker 10: You know, I mean the definition is crazy.

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Speaker 12: Uh just winning two in a row is not dynasty

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Speaker 10: I think you have to get to four in hockey.

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Speaker 12: And they're doing it in South Florida two, which is

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Speaker 10: But I wonder I got even more.

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Speaker 2: I wonder about that with the state of Florida, with

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Speaker 5: It's one thing to be, Hey, weren't anomaly.

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Speaker 2: We're a great hockey team in the sun you know,

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Speaker 5: But is this how much of an effect is this.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely it's a factor.

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Speaker 12: They're they're building rinks left and right, and the fan

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Speaker 12: bases are have really become tremendous. You know, it's not

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Speaker 10: And that place is full and they're in it.

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Speaker 12: And you know, where the Panthers play is not exactly

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Speaker 10: There's not a lot going on out there, but the

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Speaker 11: DAN.

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Speaker 12: They've built they built their practice facility in the Los

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Speaker 12: of attractive reasons to want to be a Florida Panther

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Speaker 2: It felt like we were going to get a tight

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Speaker 2: What was that one change?

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Speaker 12: This was the sweepiest, if you will, the sweepiest six

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Speaker 12: really easy to criticize Edmonton, but you can't lose sight

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Speaker 12: if you took McDavid and Drysidle the way the remaining

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Speaker 10: I mean the team, the Florida Panthers team was dominant.

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Speaker 12: The Oilers still probably have the two best players on

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Speaker 12: in goal, that was a big difference. The other thing

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Speaker 10: The Oilers gave up at least two goals and they.

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Speaker 10: It was bizarre.

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Speaker 12: And the amazing one was the three up in game

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Speaker 10: That's all time, that's going back to nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 12: And really that gets forgotten now because the Oilers lost

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you were running the Edmonton Oilers, you got

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Speaker 10: No, they would never let him leave.

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Speaker 12: I mean the franchise is on the map really right

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Speaker 12: and then you play that game, right if the Oilers

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Speaker 2: Did this in the eighties, they did this once before

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Speaker 12: Had a lot more depth. I mean, obviously it was Gretzky,

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Speaker 12: right now it's you know, it's Dr Suttle, you know,

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Speaker 2: But is he gonna want to go Steve? They they're

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Speaker 2: gonna want to keep him. Yeah, But does he say

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's the question.

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Speaker 12: He's changed the agents recently, Dan, I don't know what

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Speaker 10: I think he's a loyal guy. He's made Edmondson his home.

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Speaker 12: You know, I don't know that, And we're gonna find

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Speaker 10: And that's the issue.

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Speaker 12: If the Boilers feel like, hey, we're not going to

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Speaker 12: got a lot of holes. Dan, they don't have enough

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Speaker 12: I mean that was one of the areas Florida classed

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Speaker 10: And listen, I.

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Speaker 12: Didn't think Edmondon was gonna win any of the four rounds,

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Speaker 10: I had him.

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Speaker 12: I had him losing all three first round of their

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Speaker 10: Went over and picked him in the final in seven.

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Speaker 10: I looked like a total lady.

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Speaker 5: As usual grade this season for the NHL.

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Speaker 12: Off the charts great and I don't care about the

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Speaker 12: television ratings. The finals wasn't our year with the final,

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Speaker 12: that's how this works. But off the charts, four nations

446
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 12: out of control, great, Alex Ovechkin unbelievable, Even the trade

447
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 12: deadline was great. Miko Ranton in a real superstar gets

448
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 12: moved twice during the regular season.

449
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Speaker 10: That never happens.

450
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Speaker 12: And really, the playoffs were terrific, and we're gonna have

451
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Speaker 12: an off season. You know, it's never gonna be the

452
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Speaker 12: NFL off season, but the NHL off season with major

453
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Speaker 12: names out there, Mitch Marner in Toronto and a ton

454
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Speaker 12: of movement and coaches going in and out. It's the

455
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Speaker 12: NHL has really evolved and elevated itself, I think.

456
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Speaker 10: And it's fascinating to watch what's going on now.

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Speaker 2: Your first year covering the Stanley Cup Final, the Rangers

458
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Speaker 2: win the Cup?

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Speaker 4: Correct?

460
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Speaker 5: Were you at the after party that I was at

461
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Speaker 5: when the cup was there? And I don't, Oh, okay.

462
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Speaker 10: You don't remember that.

463
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Speaker 5: You don't remember.

464
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Speaker 2: I don't remember seeing you. I did ask MESSI, I

465
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Speaker 2: said what's in the cup? And he gave me some

466
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Speaker 2: choice words like you don't ask what liquid is in

467
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Speaker 2: the cup?

468
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Speaker 5: You just drink from the cup?

469
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Speaker 4: You did?

470
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Speaker 12: And I drank from it too, buddy. I dragged from

471
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Speaker 12: it that night. Somebody's got a picture. I can't seem

472
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Speaker 12: to find it. I drank from it in the dressing room,

473
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Speaker 12: which is highly unprofessional, also being the journalists that we are.

474
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Speaker 12: But it was a special all time night, and you know,

475
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Speaker 12: I grew up a lifelong Ranger fan. I never got

476
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Speaker 12: to see them actually skate the cup around the garden

477
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Speaker 12: because back in those days, as a rights holder, you

478
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Speaker 12: had to be positioned in the dressing room. Yeah, five

479
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Speaker 12: minutes left on a clock. So all those years I

480
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Speaker 12: never got to see skin up, but I did drink

481
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Speaker 12: out of the cup that night. I guess I would

482
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Speaker 12: ask Dan, do you remember seeing anybody that night at

483
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Speaker 12: the party.

484
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Speaker 2: Or mess your mess chilling? The hardest party winning team

485
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Speaker 2: ever was who.

486
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Speaker 10: Capitals gave it a run?

487
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Speaker 12: Oh boy, I'm not sure anyone enjoyed that stilly cup

488
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 12: more than Alex Ovechkin. Washington had a really good time

489
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Speaker 12: and listen to cup right now for everything I can

490
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Speaker 12: tell this inside the elbow room or outside the elbow room.

491
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Speaker 12: Headed to the Atlantic Ocean as we speak, so they'll

492
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Speaker 12: have a good time at South Florida too.

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Speaker 5: Waited Headed to the Atlantic Ocean.

494
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Speaker 10: Well, it's in the elbow room right now, which is

495
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Speaker 10: right on the ocean there.

496
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Oh boy, man overboard sat travels leaves great

497
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Speaker 2: to talk to you about him.

498
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Speaker 10: Always a pleasure beout.

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Speaker 5: That's Steve Levy. He's a dynasty.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

501
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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

502
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

503
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Speaker 2: Imon Schumpard played ten seasons in the NBA, former first

504
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Speaker 2: round pick by the Knicks, won a title with the Cavaliers,

505
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Speaker 2: and he's co host of ESPN's digital pregame show Hoop

506
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Speaker 2: and he's going to win the award of Best Dress today.

507
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Speaker 2: So thanks for showing us up there, and min how

508
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Speaker 2: are you today?

509
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Speaker 4: I'm doing well.

510
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Speaker 5: I'm doing great.

511
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Speaker 2: Can you explain to our audience the difference for what

512
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Speaker 2: a calf strain means to an NBA player and how

513
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Speaker 2: that might affect Haliburton tomorrow night.

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Speaker 11: When we talk about a calf strain, we talk about

515
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Speaker 11: a hamstring strain. Those are two things that if we

516
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Speaker 11: think back to when Kevin Durant tried to go out

517
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Speaker 11: there before that calf always recovered. Right, you're putting yourself

518
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Speaker 11: in position a one hurt yourself for the long term.

519
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Speaker 11: But when we talk about a game that's valuable and

520
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Speaker 11: you talk about competing, it's hard to turn your head

521
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Speaker 11: and say that you'll let a hamstring or a calf

522
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Speaker 11: let you sit down. I expect him to play, but

523
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Speaker 11: its effectiveness throughout the game. I don't think that Indiana

524
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Speaker 11: should weigh in heavy on it the way that they

525
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Speaker 11: did last game. I think it's something that they should

526
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Speaker 11: explore TJ McConnell a little bit more, just because one

527
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Speaker 11: he was effective and they took him out. I feel

528
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Speaker 11: a little bit too early. But as a player, when

529
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Speaker 11: you have a cab strain, you have a hamstring strain,

530
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Speaker 11: you have to kind of tell your guys, I don't

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Speaker 11: all the way have it.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be out there for war.

533
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Speaker 11: I'm gonna be out there, you know, from morale, so

534
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Speaker 11: that we can give the look that we've always given.

535
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Speaker 11: But at the end of the game, I can't push

536
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Speaker 11: how I need to push to get you guys there,

537
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Speaker 11: And I don't think that their teammate should expect anything

538
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Speaker 11: from that.

539
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Speaker 5: Who does SGA remind you of?

540
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Speaker 11: SGA is He's one of those guys that he reminds

541
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Speaker 11: me of, you know, a couple of different guys put together.

542
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Speaker 11: But if you really break his game down, it's Kobe

543
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Speaker 11: picking spots, getting the spots and having a counter given

544
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Speaker 11: getting to spots and playing with the pivot rather than

545
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Speaker 11: trying to use his athleticism every time he gets there,

546
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Speaker 11: using the angles of the glass, the hanging time on

547
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Speaker 11: the jump shot, the jump shot that changes around the rim. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: it's it's it's pretty dead on with Kobe.

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Speaker 2: Was there a scouting report with Kobe?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, the scouting report was good luck. But Kobe, Kobe

551
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Speaker 11: was always one of those guys that the only scouting

552
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Speaker 11: report that you had on him was his dead zones.

553
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Speaker 11: So you have the zones on the floor that, uh,

554
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Speaker 11: I'm not gonna say dead zones, kill zones.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 11: He has the places on the floor that he's the

557
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Speaker 11: most dangerous because you start thinking about the array of moves,

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Speaker 11: the array of counters that he has, his ability to

559
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Speaker 11: get you into foul trouble when he gets you into

560
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Speaker 11: these moments. So you want to stay away from, you know,

561
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Speaker 11: those kill zones, and you want to stay away from

562
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Speaker 11: earning two fouls early if playing against somebody like Kobe,

563
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Speaker 11: because it could end up a long night.

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Speaker 5: Who talked a lot like Kobe? Was he a chatty gun?

565
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Speaker 4: Not at all?

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Speaker 11: Kobe said what he needed to say, Well, I don't.

567
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Speaker 11: I wouldn't know. I never had a playoff war with him.

568
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Speaker 11: I've never gone back and forth with Kobe for a

569
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Speaker 11: long time. We had our very small tip, the tap

570
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Speaker 11: back and forth, and then he would sort of make

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Speaker 11: his statement in the game would kind of go.

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Speaker 4: He said, it would go.

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Speaker 11: So I don't know how people heard me tell that

574
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Speaker 11: Kobe story, but yeah, it usually goes how Kobe says.

575
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Speaker 4: We did win that game, but I don't think Kobe story.

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Speaker 10: End up.

577
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Speaker 11: We headed into the fourth quarter, I'm playing really well, Steal.

578
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Speaker 11: You know, I'm doing really well against him from my

579
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Speaker 11: standpoint as a rookie player coming into this league, always

580
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Speaker 11: wanting to go head up with somebody like this and saying, wow,

581
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Speaker 11: I actually deflected a pass, I got a stop, we

582
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Speaker 11: got stops, rebounds, I drove by him like I'm thinking

583
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Speaker 11: of all these positive things that I've done to play

584
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Speaker 11: against this, you know, legendary laker. And then the end

585
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 11: of the third quarter comes, he comes out. He sits

586
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Speaker 11: next to me, puts his hands on his knees, not

587
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Speaker 11: because he's tired, just you know, I guess because he

588
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 11: didn't want people knowing what was going on. And when

589
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Speaker 11: I leaned down, he tapped me on the leg and

590
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Speaker 11: he said, YEA had a great game, young fella. And

591
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Speaker 11: my first reaction was, it's twelve minutes disrespectful thing. Anybody

592
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Speaker 11: said to me, like, what do you mean by that?

593
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Speaker 11: And yeah, after that, Kobe, he brought out the whole package.

594
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Speaker 11: It was almost as if just say, you know, he

595
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 11: wasn't going one hundred percent, but I know that now

596
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Speaker 11: being older, he was just letting me know, you know,

597
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Speaker 11: this is the last game on this West Coast swing

598
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Speaker 11: for US.

599
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Well it was.

600
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Speaker 11: Either their last game or one of the last games,

601
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Speaker 11: but they on their East Coast swing for US, and

602
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Speaker 11: Kobe wasn't gonna, you know, go all out the whole game.

603
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 11: He was saving it for the last twelve minutes to

604
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 11: see if he could, you know, get another win before

605
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Speaker 11: they pack it up and go back to LA And

606
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Speaker 11: you know, understanding his professionalism in that moment, I didn't,

607
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 11: which is you know why I told the story so animated.

608
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 11: But as the years have gone on, you start to

609
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 11: understand that these older players usually have just been around

610
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 11: the block a few times. They understand when to turn

611
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Speaker 11: it on, when to turn it off, and they understand

612
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Speaker 11: the longevity of the game. Kobe Bryan is one of

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Speaker 11: the most ultimate professionals that I've gotten to go again.

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Speaker 2: Shumper played ten seasons in the NBA, and he's co

615
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Speaker 2: host at ESPN's digital pregame show it's called Hoop Streams.

616
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Speaker 2: The chances for the Pacers to make this to a

617
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Speaker 2: Game seven or what.

618
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Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 11: I think that they have done an incredible job with

620
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Speaker 11: making sure that they are in games for forty eight minutes.

621
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Speaker 11: The times that you think that you've put them away,

622
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Speaker 11: they find ways to cut the lead down. They can

623
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Speaker 11: rush through a ten point lead quicker than anybody that

624
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 11: I've seen do it in the NBA, stringing together stops.

625
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Speaker 11: They doing a great job of pressuring the ball, pressuring

626
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Speaker 11: the inbounds passes, so I never feel like they're out

627
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Speaker 11: of a game. So I'm happy when they're going home

628
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Speaker 11: to Indiana. But I don't know how good these chances

629
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Speaker 11: can be if Jalen Williams place like that.

630
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Speaker 4: Jalen william C's blood.

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Speaker 11: I think that he's that previous year against Dallas where

632
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 11: he didn't have a great showing Game five. He handled

633
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 11: Game five this year, and I can only imagine that

634
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 11: we're going to see more gas from his foot as

635
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 11: well as more gas from SGA, who made a conscious

636
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 11: effort to distribute the ball last game responsible for his

637
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 11: own thirty, but also very responsible and conscious effort to

638
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 11: make sure he swung it around, made sure guy's got

639
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 11: good looks and guy's got you know, a couple of

640
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 11: shots at the rim. A couple of those assists didn't

641
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 11: go down right away, but they were able to get

642
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 11: second chance rebounds due to them keeping the balance floor.

643
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 11: With those two playing like that, especially down the stretch,

644
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 11: and then playing small ball on the other end to

645
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 11: get stops, that is an extremely tough.

646
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: Team to beat, especially with chet Homer player.

647
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Speaker 11: Well like that. Yeah, that's in for a long night.

648
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 11: I think might be over in six.

649
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like there's a long list of teams interested

650
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: in Kevin Durant.

651
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: Why is that it does.

652
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Speaker 11: We're talking about a thirty six year old. You're talking

653
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 11: about somebody that has had to suffer an injury that

654
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 11: you know it takes a little while to come back

655
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 11: from when you have a major injury. Start talking about

656
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 11: your age, you start talking about how much are you

657
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 11: really willing to give up to get a Kevin Durant.

658
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 11: I think that a team has to be trying to

659
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 11: move into the direction a direction of win now, and

660
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 11: there's a lot of teams that though they want to

661
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 11: win now, they also want the longevity of saying we

662
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 11: have a core group that can stay together, that can

663
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Speaker 11: grow together. And I don't know how much at this

664
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Speaker 11: age you can expect growth.

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Speaker 4: From a Kevin Durant. He sort of plays how he plays.

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Speaker 11: He wants what he wants, and yeah, with other teams,

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Speaker 11: they're expecting a lot. You got to give up a

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Speaker 11: lot to give him, and you're wondering what that return

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Speaker 11: is on. Somebody that you know had that similar chance

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Speaker 11: in Phoenix and they couldn't get over the hump.

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Speaker 2: Are you prouder of your NBA Championship or you're Dancing

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Speaker 2: with the Stars champion?

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Speaker 11: Well, my mother loves that Dancing with the Stars trophy,

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Speaker 11: but I will always love my NBA Championship ring a

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Speaker 11: whole lot more.

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Speaker 5: Can Lebron ever yell at you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I think that one of my favorite things from playing

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Speaker 11: with Lebron was though he had his moments where he

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Speaker 11: would yell or he would give out a command, Lebron

681
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Speaker 11: is very principled on first command. So there's times that

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Speaker 11: we've yelled at him and his response to it is

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Speaker 11: a genuine energy burst for whatever you said, he didn't

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Speaker 11: do like I've yelled Atbron and said, you know, you

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Speaker 11: get your ass back. I'll do what you I'll do

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Speaker 11: what you said down there I got you.

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Speaker 5: Get your ass back.

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Speaker 4: And get the block when I go for the strip.

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Speaker 5: When he double clutch, you get the block.

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Speaker 11: And I think that's what makes him such a joy

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Speaker 11: to play with.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 11: He's willing to respond to an extra effort. He's willing

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Speaker 11: to do all that. But Lebron does demand.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: He demands you to run hard. He demands you to

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Speaker 4: play hard.

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Speaker 11: And uh, you know, if you run through a wall

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Speaker 11: for him, then it's a mutual respect on that end.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything he could do that would supplant Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan as the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 5: In your opinion?

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Speaker 11: No, no, nothing, brons I think Lebron is the greatest

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Speaker 11: of all time. He is the perfect example of a

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Speaker 11: basketball player. He has the physical makeup that nobody else

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Speaker 11: might ever get. H you know, right hand, left hand,

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Speaker 11: you want drive, you want to jump shot, you want

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Speaker 11: somebody that knows the playbook. Of all the coaches in

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Speaker 11: the NBA, I've never seen a basketball mind get to

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Speaker 11: meet up with such a dominant physical form ever.

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Speaker 4: Before Lebron James.

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Speaker 11: So understanding that and understanding accolades, I completely get it.

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Speaker 11: It's just when you talk about how long it took

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Speaker 11: to catch Jordan's record, Jordan took a couple of years

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Speaker 11: off within getting this record. I can't put anybody past

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Speaker 11: Michael Jordan, just because I'm more ranking on winning and

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Speaker 11: how I felt having a player like that on my

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Speaker 11: favorite team. So Jordan will always be my goat. But

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Speaker 11: I totally understand the argument that happens. I think it's

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Speaker 11: even more special that I got to play with Lebron

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Speaker 11: and you know, be a part of that conversation. People

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Speaker 11: talk about it all the time, like you guys are

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Speaker 11: hating all them Ron just because they wanted to be

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Speaker 11: better than Jordan and everybody. And I think it's a

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Speaker 11: great conversation. And I think Lebron, Kobe's, Steph, all of

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Speaker 11: them understand they have done their job and we are

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Speaker 11: supposed to have this barbershop talk about who is the greatest.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but you think Jordan is the greatest of all time?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm home right now in Chicago. My mom's

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Speaker 4: still here. Yeah, Jordan Jerseys everywhere.

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Speaker 5: Would you say that to Lebron. If Lebron said, I've.

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Speaker 11: Said it to Lebron, I don't know how many times

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Speaker 11: I love I love Lebron, I love him. That is

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Speaker 11: That's my guy. We did our job together, we got

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Speaker 11: our ring. Yeah, they I've never changed my stance on

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Speaker 11: the argument of it.

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Speaker 4: I used to argue with Melo about stuff like this.

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Speaker 11: I used to tell Melo he wouldn't be nothing if

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Speaker 11: he didn't get a championship. It was just my motivation

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Speaker 11: to him that that is what matters. That is the

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Speaker 11: only reason we are here. I don't know what makes you,

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Speaker 11: you know, get all jiggly as a little key, but

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Speaker 11: I'm like, that shiny championship ball is what we want.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 13: Larry O'Brien, Yeah, but you grew up in Chicago, if

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Speaker 13: you grew up, if you grew up some other places

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Speaker 13: aside from you know, Jordan's backyard with the bulls, would

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Speaker 13: you think.

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Speaker 11: I've never I've still never seen a competitor like Michael Jordan. Again,

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Speaker 11: I've somebody bringing the ball down that could palm the

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Speaker 11: ball at any time. Plays with an in and out package,

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Speaker 11: goes right, goes left, jump off, one foot, jump off,

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Speaker 11: two foot, get to his spots, have counters to everything.

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Speaker 13: And be.

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Speaker 11: You know, so so competitive that you make the All

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Speaker 11: defensive team. I just and and do it in the

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Speaker 11: same year you get the MVP. I just with this guy.

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Speaker 11: I've I just loved the way it looked. I loved

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Speaker 11: the way he commanded respect. I love the way he's

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Speaker 11: stayed out of the media. You never really knew what

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Speaker 11: he thought, but you knew when he guaranteed we were

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Speaker 11: gonna win. There's a certain way that Michael Jordan did

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Speaker 11: it that I'll always be overly opinionated for him.

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Speaker 5: Don't you wish you could have guarded him?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 11: I wish I could have win out a lot of people,

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Speaker 11: especially without blowing my ACL. I really, you know, never

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Speaker 11: got to move ninety four feet how I wanted to

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Speaker 11: ever again after blowing my ACL.

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Speaker 2: The but you know, playing against Kobe and what Kobe

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Speaker 2: could do, and Mike was better than Kobe.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 11: I would have loved, you know, to just get out

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Speaker 11: there and you know, put my best.

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Speaker 4: Foot forward, so to speak.

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Speaker 11: But the cool thing is I probably would have guarded

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Speaker 11: Mike a lot better than I could guard Kobe, just

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Speaker 11: because I studied Mike Moore. When you people used to

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Speaker 11: think all the time that when I was playing defense

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Speaker 11: on somebody that it was because I was a great defender,

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Speaker 11: And I used to tell them actually being a defender

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Speaker 11: sometimes being an ultimate fan. I was an ultimate fan

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Speaker 11: of basketball. But I'm also a huge Lebron fan. I'm

784
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Speaker 11: a huge Kobe fan. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan.

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Speaker 11: I'm a fan of Kyrie, like though he's my class.

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Speaker 11: It's like I'm a fan of how you play the game,

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Speaker 11: how you attack the game, and if you watch enough highlights, you.

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Speaker 4: Start to pick up on tendencies.

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Speaker 11: If you watch enough of their their game film, you

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00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 11: start to see what their plan is as far as

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Speaker 11: getting themselves going.

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Speaker 4: And I just did my job to take it away.

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Speaker 5: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're finding a home there in the media.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 5: At timon Shumper