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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: you know that there was a deer hunter that was

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Speaker 1: is filled with gold. Can you imagine that that find

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Speaker 1: investigators wouldn't it be great if we could go out

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Speaker 1: to scenes and have forensic evidence that was just there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes you gotta dig. Sometimes you got

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Speaker 1: few moments the gig Beach murders and what has come

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Imagine finding a chunk of gold, Dave. Wouldn't that be something?

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Speaker 1: And you don't have to get your hands dirty. You

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Speaker 1: How about you, my friend, buddy, if that was the case.

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Speaker 2: I wonder about those stories, you know, we're here, they

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Speaker 2: I've seen those those stories and played them out and

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Speaker 2: island filled with the gold, treasure hidden and lockness monster,

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Speaker 2: all the other stories. But yeah, if I look down

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna dig this story. Joe, I do not see

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Speaker 2: that we're at the ending. We're talking about people that

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Speaker 2: one man and trying to find the purp who did this?

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Speaker 2: And are we looking for more than one? I'm curious

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Speaker 2: because this is right down Joseph Scott Morgan's alley. The

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Speaker 2: of your career to figure out what happened. This could

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Speaker 2: consume it if you think about it, Joe, look at

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Speaker 2: what we're I mean, right now, we've got one man

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Speaker 1: You say that it could take the rest of my

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of ominous when you think about it.

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Speaker 1: But just reflectively, the day that they finally arrested Rex human,

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Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, when you look at

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're speaking the truth there, because what

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Speaker 1: In my mind, people you know, when you think New York,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here. You've got these women that are

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Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely goes to familiarity. Also, you have to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've tried to marry up the times where her

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Speaker 2: From the very beginning. The police said that it was cluttered,

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Speaker 1: through all of this stuff, Dave, and it's an overwhelming

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Speaker 1: We've waited all these years for an arrest to be affected.

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Speaker 2: Right And you mentioned the terabytes of information the evidence

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Speaker 2: but in the same area you have other victims, but

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Speaker 1: Okay, from a forensics purely forensic science perspective, it's going

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Speaker 1: in one location. You might have legs found in another location.

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Speaker 1: That almost smax is of something a different animal at

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Speaker 1: that point in time, because how do you get an

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Speaker 1: individual that changes horses in the middle of the stream.

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Speaker 1: From a procedural standpoint, because serial perpetrators are all about procedure,

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Speaker 1: they're all about the order in which they do things.

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Speaker 1: They're deriving pleasure from this, they have certain ways they

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Speaker 1: go about it because they're living out fantasies in their mind.

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Speaker 1: And how does that level of violence or post mortem

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Speaker 1: violence play into what we're seeing with wrapped dumped bodies.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's something that's going to require a

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Speaker 1: lot of explanation going forward and further examination. If they're

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Speaker 1: going to try to tie these other bodies back to him,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're necessarily going to be able

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 2: Dave. That's the part that I am very curious about,

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Speaker 2: because in reality, there is no statute of limitations on murder.

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Speaker 2: So even though we've got a case here rex Hureman

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Speaker 2: charged with three murders, it doesn't mean the other cases

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Speaker 2: go by the wayside. They've just got to finish this

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Speaker 2: with him, all the while knowing that you've got other

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Speaker 2: issues with the other victims that were found that don't

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Speaker 2: match up. The mo is not the same and maybe changed.

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Speaker 2: But there's also the fact that there are many years

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Speaker 2: in between when the last body was found at Gilgo

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Speaker 2: Beach and his arrest. Are we to believe are we

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Speaker 2: to assume that he stopped even though we know based

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Speaker 2: on what the police said, the reason they went and

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Speaker 2: got him the day they did was because they knew

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Speaker 2: he was talking with other workers, he was doing the

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Speaker 2: same things as before, and they were concerned that he

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Speaker 2: was looking for someone else to take off. Are we

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Speaker 2: to now believe that he stopped for years and was

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Speaker 2: getting ready to start back when they caught it.

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Speaker 1: That's hard to buy because it's always been idea, has

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Speaker 1: always been propagated out there that this is unquenchable thirst,

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Speaker 1: that anytime you have somebody that engages in this behavior,

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Speaker 1: the only thing that is going to stop them is

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Speaker 1: either going to be law enforcement catching up to them,

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Speaker 1: it'll be their own death or their own infirmity where

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Speaker 1: they just can no longer carry on and continue to

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Speaker 1: perpetrate because they've hit that kind of age barrier and

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Speaker 1: perhaps continue to live in this fantasy world in their mind,

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Speaker 1: but they don't have the ability to go out and

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Speaker 1: do that. Are we to think that he stopped and

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Speaker 1: took this bigger break? There have been others that have

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Speaker 1: done that in the past. But listen, we're right at

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Speaker 1: the beginning. As you've stated, Dave, this is not the end.

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Speaker 1: We've got a long road to travel in these cases,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see what the future holds. I'm Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan and this is body Bags