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Speaker 1: Why are there two little children, a boy and a girl,

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Speaker 1: and Serious ExM one eleven. Are we gonna just stand

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Speaker 1: I don't know her doesn't matter to me. I don't

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Speaker 1: about when it is you or your wife or your husband,

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Speaker 1: in serious x M one eleven. First of all, taking

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Speaker 1: morning of April twenty first, Katy and John Palmer went

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Speaker 1: What's your Name? John broke his back and somehow still

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Speaker 1: those were done. It was only eighteen months later through

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Speaker 1: civil discovery that we obtained his phone records his grace

428
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Speaker 1: and found that he was in the middle of downing

429
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Speaker 1: a call as he hit us. So if you stack

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Speaker 1: everything up, if you stack them was his driving was

431
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Speaker 1: visibly impaired. And he makes that statement that his windshield

432
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Speaker 1: he couldn't see as soon as he left his driveway,

433
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Speaker 1: which is three tenth of mile away from where we

434
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Speaker 1: were hit. The cognitive impairment of the alcohol in this system,

435
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: and again he blew a point in zero six fifty

436
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: minutes after he hit us, Okay, so probably very close

437
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: to a point zero eight. Also, he was manually dialing

438
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: a number as he crossed over the roadway. So we

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: got these phone records. We submitted those two the disc

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Speaker 1: attorney's office. They reviewed them, and at this point we

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Speaker 1: had a very contentious relationship with the disc attorney's office.

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Speaker 1: As you could imagine, we had submitted those records to

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Speaker 1: the Day's office and they said they would review him,

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Speaker 1: and I got a phone call approximate. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've got got a phone call one Monday at four

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Speaker 1: thirty pm from Kerry Ashmore saying that they were going

447
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: to take the phone records in front of the grand

448
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: jury and set the grand jury wanted to move forward. Okay.

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00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: That caught me off guard and I asked if I

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Speaker 1: was going to be allowed to testify in front of

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Speaker 1: this new grand jury. He said no, they were going

452
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Speaker 1: to take the phone records in front of the grand

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Speaker 1: jury and if the Grain jury wanted any additional information

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Speaker 1: or evidence, then they would provide them with that. The

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00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: phone call ended, Miss Race that that that didn't seem right.

456
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: I tried to contact them again numerous times and it

457
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Speaker 1: wouldn't take my call, so I had to text carry Ashmore,

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Speaker 1: and through our text exchange, I basically ended the text

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Speaker 1: by stating that if he wasn't going to allow us

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Speaker 1: to testify in front of the Grain jury and have

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Speaker 1: the witnesses, being the experts, that one third party that

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Speaker 1: did the crash recreation and DPS back up there and

463
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Speaker 1: show them the report, show them the cell phone records

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Speaker 1: and show them everything that they did in the first

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Speaker 1: grand jury, then I don't want him to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Did not get a call back. He is and also,

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Speaker 1: Miss Grace, I want to make sure you're aware that

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Speaker 1: Bret Smith also acted as a defense attorney for the

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Speaker 1: Foster family prior to be the elected BA He represented So, yes,

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Speaker 1: ma'am he so Corey fostered his wife for driving late

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Speaker 1: one night. The wife was driving, she was impaired, she

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Speaker 1: was pulled over, She was charged with the DWI and

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Speaker 1: Corey Foster was charged with public intoxication and their defense

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Speaker 1: attorney was Bret Smith. That was never disclosed to us.

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Speaker 1: We had to find that out on our own. Also,

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Speaker 1: Bret Smith is related to the Trooper five marriage. Man,

477
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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I just the feeling, the feeling

478
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Speaker 1: of helplessness is overwhelming. Nothing is being done to avenge

479
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Speaker 1: Katie his death. I mean, John, what are your what

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Speaker 1: do your children say? When? When? When my children asked me? Why? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know? Why Why is this man still still driving?

482
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Speaker 1: Why has he not been held accountable? UM? That's Grace.

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Speaker 1: What do I What do I tell him? What do

484
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I tell them? Um? Our system failed us and has

485
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: continued to fail us by not holding courting Foster account.

486
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, I want you to

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Speaker 1: take a Listen to our cut five. This is Jen

488
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Speaker 1: Phillips k XII. A breathalyzer test taken in the field

489
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Speaker 1: is inadmissible in court and can only be used as

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Speaker 1: a pass fail for further testing. Listen to this phone

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Speaker 1: call he makes to a supervisor while on scene. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe he was that ha still today he said,

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Speaker 1: he's like, man, I quit drinking, like I hate o'clock

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Speaker 1: last night. Even still, the trooper was not satisfied. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said, Sunday morning to the coffee a beer bredday.

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Speaker 1: Within an hour of arriving on the scene, the trooper

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: drove Foster home. Okay, right there, Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: Why did they drive him home? And said to the

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Speaker 1: hospital to get a blood test. I would love to

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Speaker 1: know the answer to that question, because that would be

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Speaker 1: the logical next step, not just given the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's below the limit, but the driving is such strong,

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Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence of impairment you would want to know more. Yet,

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00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: and you pair that with not only his admission of

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Speaker 1: drinking whiskey, but the fact that it was still smell

506
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: is still smelled it on its breath the next day.

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Speaker 1: That is not normal over time, that and that one

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00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: goes away. You know, that's part of common knowledge. So

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00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: that would be part of why we would want to

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Speaker 1: know the decision that they made, why home instead of

511
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: the hospital They need to seek a warrant. Great, but

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Speaker 1: that could have been the next step. Joining me right now.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a Brandy

515
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: hit series Body Bags, with Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart

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Speaker 1: and Beyond Joe Scott, this is so much bs. The

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00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: guy is a point oh six. We don't know what

518
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: his blood was because they drove him home and so

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00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: to the hospital where they should have taken him. I

520
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know why this guy, Corey Foster got special treatment

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00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: with John Palmer lying on the side of the road

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Speaker 1: with a broken back and his wife Katie dead, their

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Speaker 1: two children asleep at home. I don't get it. Explain

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Speaker 1: to me. The point six, yeah, point of six is.

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Speaker 1: In Texas legal limit for being enebriated for driving is

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Speaker 1: point zero eight and he was under that limit according

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Speaker 1: to the breathalyzer. But here's here's the problem. You don't

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Speaker 1: know how much time has elapsed since Heath last took

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Speaker 1: a drink. And what's going on chemically in anybody's body

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Speaker 1: is that you're metabolizing the alcohol, so you're burning it off.

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Speaker 1: And so the longer you wait, the longer you go

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Speaker 1: down this continuum from that moment time when the fatal

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Speaker 1: event occurred, when this vehicular homicide occurred, you're bleeding off.

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Speaker 1: You're bleeding off this alcohol level that's in his system.

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Speaker 1: And I've got a bigger problem with this, Nancy, than

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Speaker 1: simply the breathalyzer result. Here's the problem. You've got two people.

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Speaker 1: One is unfortunately deceased. You've got John who's laid up

538
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Speaker 1: in the hospital with broken back, and it seems and

539
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: so this would have warranted taking this individual into a

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Speaker 1: hospital to do a blood draw, because not only are

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Speaker 1: you looking for blood alcohol content in that sample, but

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00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: the hospital will do something that's called you guys can

543
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: look this up, but it's called a standard panel. And

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00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: standard panel when you roll into the er is they're

545
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: looking for any other substances in his system, Drugs, drugs,

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00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: just say it. They're looking for pots for any kind

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00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: of drug, for alcohol. Who knows what he was high

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00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: on that wouldn't show up. And here's the problem. Once

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00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: it's gone, it's gone. It's just like John had mentioned

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00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: a moment ago, and I was, you know, as an investigator,

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Speaker 1: I was just really struck by this. You know, criminals

552
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: are going to do what criminals are going to do.

553
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a certain level of accountability that

554
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: comes in when you're talking about vps and you're talking

555
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: about the courts, and right now they have missed the

556
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 1: mark on this case. And guys, we are talking about

557
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: a beautiful young mom walking by the side of the

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00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: road with her husband on a Sunday morning when suddenly

559
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: a guy comes across the traffic to their side and

560
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Speaker 1: mows them both down with such impact he thinks he

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Speaker 1: hit I telephone, Paul. Now, let me tell you something

562
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: else about grand juries, Wendy Patrick. That's one of the

563
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: first things my boss, the longest serving DA in the

564
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Speaker 1: country at that time, how to his young prosecutors learn

565
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: you put up evidence to the grand jury. If you

566
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Speaker 1: want them to indict, you put up the right evidence.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want them to indict, which never happened

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Speaker 1: to me. Of course you don't. Now there was a

569
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Speaker 1: great trial lawyer named Erming Younger and he told he

570
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: made this famous. A prosecutor can get a grand jury

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Speaker 1: to indict a ham sandwich if they want to. And

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00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: I argued till I was blue in the face. But

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Speaker 1: I am telling you something is wrong here because the

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Speaker 1: fact that we have just laid out should have been

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Speaker 1: a vehicular homicide indictment. He doesn't have to be point

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Speaker 1: zero eight. What he did was reckless, was a malignant heart.

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00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: As we say in the law, Why has it this

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Speaker 1: been charged? It's gotta be because that's what the projectutor wants. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you look at what the grand jury did, you

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Speaker 1: have to ask what evidence did they have? Exactly says

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Speaker 1: we've all been talking about. They only can work with

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Speaker 1: what was presented to them. So if there wasn't accident reconstruction,

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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: we don't have that ability to talk about how fast

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Speaker 1: he was going, although circumstantial. That keep coming back to

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Speaker 1: the you know what happened knocking someone out of their

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Speaker 1: shoes to or that they fly seventy feet. I mean,

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00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: you can imagine, probably don't need accident reconstruction to figure

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00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: out how hard that was and just go back to

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00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: that criminal negligence recklessness in a case like this, that's

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00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: what they would be arguing. But it doesn't sound like

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00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: the grand jury had that evidence. Doctor Angela Arnold joining

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Speaker 1: me renowned psychiatrists out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold MD

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Speaker 1: dot com, way Y and Angie. I'll tell you one

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Speaker 1: of the most disturbing things to me that I've heard

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Speaker 1: and listening to this was the lack of any kind

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Speaker 1: of remorse in the voice of the man who perpetrated

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Speaker 1: this crime. When none whatsoever, no remorse. I mean, he

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00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: was just it was like he was standing there just

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00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: trying to take up for himself. Well I couldn't see

600
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: he just killed somebody. He might have killed two people,

601
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: and he had ever complaint, lack of remorse, no remorse

602
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: right like he didn't know what he had done yet. Guys,

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00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut thirteen, our friend Lauren Rangel.

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Speaker 1: No words can describe the feeling that our family. It's

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Speaker 1: been over a year since his wife's death. John Palmer

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Speaker 1: says he hopes this footage will be new evidence that

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Speaker 1: could go before a grand jury and help with the

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Speaker 1: case against Corey Foster. What footage are you talking about,

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Speaker 1: John Palmer So, Miss ms Grace. When we had originally

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Speaker 1: got all this information from DPS through fully requests, we

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Speaker 1: had only been given true falkative's body cam in his

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Speaker 1: dash cam. We did not receive any of the other

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Speaker 1: troopers body cameras. That came almost a year and a

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Speaker 1: half later when we had to request that again. Then

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Speaker 1: we were allowed to have that body camera footage. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me like the grand jury did not see

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Speaker 1: all of the evidence that we have even here at

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. And let me also point out that in

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Speaker 1: nearly every jurisdiction in our country, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: have a grand jury to bring down an indictment. There

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Speaker 1: are other ways to charge someone other than with a

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Speaker 1: grand jury. But I believe if a grand jury heard

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Speaker 1: all the evidence that we're hearing today that does exist,

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Speaker 1: that there would be an indictment, and it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be for DUI vehicular hymns manslaughter. There are many

626
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: other ways this case can be prosecuted and justice can

627
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: be sought, not just for Katie, not just for John,

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Speaker 1: but for her two children that are going to grow

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Speaker 1: up wondering why nobody did anything. If you feel even

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Speaker 1: remotely the way I feel, or the way that John

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Speaker 1: Palmer feels, or the way his children will feel when

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Speaker 1: they grow up and understand we all sat by and

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Speaker 1: did nothing. I ask you don't just sit there and

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Speaker 1: think about it. Do something. You can reach the District Attorney,

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Speaker 1: Brett Smith, Brett Smith his number nine zero three eight

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Speaker 1: one three four three six one repeat nine zero three

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Speaker 1: eight one three four three six one now in that

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Speaker 1: line Jams. You can reach his assistant at Williams s

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Speaker 1: at CO dot Grayson dot Texas dot US Williams s

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Speaker 1: at CEO dot Grayson dot tx dot U S. John Palmer,

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Speaker 1: what is your message today, Miss Grace. I just want

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Speaker 1: victims to know that they have a voice. I want

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Speaker 1: them to know that it's okay to stand up. Um.

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Speaker 1: We will continue to fight for Katie. We will continue

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Speaker 1: to fight against this injustice. We will continue to make

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Speaker 1: sure that those that have continued this injustice will be

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Speaker 1: held accountable. When you wake up in the morning or

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Speaker 1: will you go to bed at night, what feeling comes

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Speaker 1: over you when you think about Katie. Katie is the

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Speaker 1: last thing I think about when I go to bed

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Speaker 1: and first thing I think about when I wake up loss.

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Speaker 1: We were robbed of the future together, Katie and I.

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Speaker 1: My children were robbed of the future with their mother.

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Speaker 1: This community lost a very strong, smart woman that made

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Speaker 1: a difference and would have continued to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just said that you want victims to

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Speaker 1: know that they have a voice. Well, right now, thanks

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Speaker 1: to the Grayson County, Texas District Attorney, Brett Smith, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way. It doesn't feel like we have

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Speaker 1: a voice at all. No, ma'am, no, ma'am. All we've

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Speaker 1: asked for was was justice. Injustice for us would have

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Speaker 1: been Corty Foster to stand trial in a criminal court,

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Speaker 1: and that hasn't happened. And you know what, John, if

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Speaker 1: some pettit jury, which a jury of twelve, decided to

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Speaker 1: let him go, I won't like it, but so be it.

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Speaker 1: But at least at least somebody had the backbone to

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Speaker 1: take this case to trial and at least try to

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Speaker 1: get a true verdict. That is all we are asking.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, with John Palmer signing off goodbye, that