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Speaker 1: wanted to let everyone know about upcoming live shows. We

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Speaker 1: have several coming up, but the first one is Queers Live,

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Speaker 1: all your favorite divits, but we're just putting a little

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Speaker 1: Larry Owen's called a Skull of Josh Sharp, Aaron Jackson

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Speaker 1: More Queer to be announced. Musical directed by the one

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Speaker 1: and only Henry Koperski Son Monday, novembery at Joe's Pub,

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Speaker 1: The one and only. It's our very first, ever last

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Speaker 1: little video promo for it in the coming weeks. You

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Speaker 1: Joe's Pub website, so please head over and do that,

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Speaker 1: and then we have the gag. Of course, it's I

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Speaker 1: don't think so honey Live at the Bellhouse on No. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a pretty new batch of folks.

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Speaker 1: We are really gonna show you some new faces, Darling.

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Speaker 1: Our last one was like a Legends ball type gig.

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Speaker 1: But this is gonna be such a fun, fresh experience.

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Speaker 1: you gotta get your tickets to our I Don't Think

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Speaker 1: So Honey Live at the Bellhouse on no And if

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be doing I Don't Think So Honey

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Speaker 1: The lineup will be announced shortly as well the Bellhouse lineup.

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Speaker 1: But this is gonna be so much fun. I loved

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Speaker 1: our show that we did fun. I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 1: good reason, which is your wedding to yourself? Yes, just

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Speaker 1: then selfishly, I want to just plug a little show

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Speaker 1: that I do here in New York City at the Duplex.

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Speaker 1: this show. Thank you baby. I'm really excited it's gonna

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Speaker 1: do that show three times and I really want you

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Speaker 1: guys to come. You can get tickets, um, which are

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Speaker 1: the Gauntless Special Best Special Guests and that's musical directed

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Speaker 1: all of these shows. Um. I will be three out

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Speaker 1: see you? Why why look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness?

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Speaker 1: And we relate to the studio today. And our guest

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Speaker 1: and Joel is invited to come over. Our guest is

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Speaker 1: here on your second favorite podcast, Joe. Joel has a

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Speaker 1: new favorite podcast. It is It's still in the Forever

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Speaker 1: Angela and aren't they your friends? They are not my friends. Okay,

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Speaker 1: want me to say about you before I bring you up,

424
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, can you just tell them that I

425
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Speaker 1: know jabuky young wife. I feel like I feel like

426
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Speaker 1: that will do more to endear me than anything else, because, um,

427
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Speaker 1: you don't know this though, but your peers are there,

428
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: like I remember like when during our were you there

429
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Speaker 1: that night when we went to the n y U

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Speaker 1: Welcome Week the stand up and the headliner was Michelle Bueau. Yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: like it's it was. It's weird now to show with her,

432
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like know her, like

433
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: I've worked with her a bunch, but it's like it's

434
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Speaker 1: just funny because like, well there is a difference though,

435
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Speaker 1: and this is I mean, maybe this is problematic, but

436
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: I will say there's like a difference. But when I

437
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Speaker 1: go to a school in like Colby, Maine, you know,

438
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Speaker 1: to going to Northwestern or like I was, I just did,

439
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: like a school in San Diego, Lahoya, you know, like

440
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Speaker 1: it's different. Like there, I do think the energy is

441
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Speaker 1: different and like the lives that they're leading her a

442
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: little bit. It's incredibly problematic of you to say, but

443
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: I guess we have to agree. But um, I think

444
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: who knows, Like there's a freshman at Haverford who's going

445
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Speaker 1: to share the build with all of us and four

446
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: years what do you think their name is? Um? Truman?

447
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: I just got asked out on it. Well, I so

448
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: what happened is is I worked on the show. I

449
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: was working on the show and the show runners assistant

450
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: and I vibed like the whole time I was showing

451
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: I love that and then he's in l A too,

452
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: and like I I said, I said gorgeous, I come

453
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Speaker 1: into gorge on one of his Instagram puzzs and he

454
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Speaker 1: do you mean? He was like, hey, I think we

455
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: really got along really well, and like on set, he

456
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Speaker 1: was like, I would love to hang out with you

457
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Speaker 1: and drink with you. Uh, do you want to go

458
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Speaker 1: get a drink sometime with me? And I was like sure,

459
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Speaker 1: and so we exchanged numbers and we've been texting and

460
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Speaker 1: then it was his birthday last night and I was like,

461
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Speaker 1: oh cute, and so I was like following along on

462
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Speaker 1: his story and then the last one just said thank

463
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Speaker 1: you to everyone who got me to twenty three, and

464
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, I don't think it matters

465
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Speaker 1: if you couldn't tell he was twenty look not that

466
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Speaker 1: he doesn't look to he looks about twenty five. There's

467
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Speaker 1: like lines on my face, weren't there? The cost free

468
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Speaker 1: Like that's the that's tough. No, I think I do

469
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: think that's tough. I Um, I guess it's like different.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, We'll see. Listen. When I was twenty

471
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Speaker 1: seven dating a twenty three year old, it was tough.

472
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Speaker 1: And now I'm thirty and the thought of going for

473
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Speaker 1: drinks with a I mean, the thing is, he's like,

474
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Speaker 1: we'll probably just have sex. It's not It is just

475
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Speaker 1: like every time I find out someone's young, now, I

476
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Speaker 1: just want to like suck. I mean whatever, that's the

477
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Speaker 1: youngest person who uh, I want to say, not that young,

478
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Speaker 1: I want to say, like I rarely date people in

479
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Speaker 1: my own age. There's like, there's this guy, there's this

480
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Speaker 1: guy that was like, yeah, older do do yeah? Which

481
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Speaker 1: I prefer me and study are on the same boat,

482
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Speaker 1: you like a crip keeper. Like I think I have

483
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: always I have always wanted to date someone thirty. Yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: So like when I was twenty three, I was dating

485
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Speaker 1: thirty year olds, and now that I'm thirty, I will

486
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: date thirty year olds. And I think when I'm forty,

487
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: I'll still want to date thirty year olds. That's the

488
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: gay men's curse what I've been running the spectrum lately.

489
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Speaker 1: I recently went on a date with a couple of

490
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Speaker 1: dates with someone who was twenty two and also someone

491
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Speaker 1: who was forty. So I'm just all over Its great,

492
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Speaker 1: But you know what's the international You know when it

493
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Speaker 1: fucks you up, when it really scrambles your brain is

494
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: when you go on a date with like someone who's

495
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Speaker 1: in their thirties who is less emotionally mature than you,

496
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: and that happens a lot. You're very emotionally, but emotionally

497
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: you are in sixty eight. You wanted to date with

498
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Speaker 1: this guy like in his thirties who would not stop

499
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Speaker 1: talking about his acts, And I was like, you were

500
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Speaker 1: too old to be doing this. You must understand that

501
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: this is a big, big no, no, no no. Anyway, Um,

502
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Speaker 1: I guess that is something. What same night? Oh really,

503
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Speaker 1: that's the same night, Yeah, that you got dumped and

504
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: then you went on a date on a different Um.

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Speaker 1: We were there and Bone came back from a tell

506
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Speaker 1: phone call where a relationship or a budding situation was

507
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: was nipped in the buck and he was debating whether

508
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Speaker 1: or not to go out on a date that very night.

509
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Speaker 1: And I said, At first, I was like, well, are

510
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Speaker 1: you thinking that you're going to represent yourself and have

511
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: a good time. You're gonna have a good date tonight,

512
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: And it was like no, But then I also thought

513
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: to myself, yeah, but then you're also canceling on someone

514
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: an hour before, two hours before, which I think at

515
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: that point, you do have to think about their feelings.

516
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Speaker 1: And we had another friend last night. I just won't

517
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Speaker 1: say their name, um, but they were extremely nervous and

518
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: anxious to go on a date. And I was literally

519
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: just like, you gotta go because it's so shitty to

520
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: cancel right before. That would really bother me. Yeah, that

521
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: would shatter me. Shatter, that would shatter me, would emotionally shatter,

522
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Speaker 1: to be canceled, to be canceled, um on. Okay, speaking

523
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Speaker 1: of shallow, I know that's not old. Wow, you're ready

524
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: to move on, are you? No? I watched to keep

525
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: this at We're you feel this way? I feel this way. Oh,

526
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: this is Matt's new catchphrase, you feel this way, which

527
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: is you feel this way, which we were trying to

528
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: think like maybe stylized as you the letter you capital

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Speaker 1: F E E L this capital T H I S

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Speaker 1: way capital W A y question mark. Okay, so there

531
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Speaker 1: was no need to you know, there was there any

532
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: that we needed to know. You feel this way all

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Speaker 1: capitals feel that the audience is with me. Okay. Um,

534
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: you feel this way, which is like, oh, like, oh,

535
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that's how you feel when you get caught up guard

536
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: by someone's opinion. You say you feel this way, feel

537
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: this way. Um, everyone start using it might be on

538
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: the merch, It might be on the merche. Speaking of

539
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: the merch, by the merch, this is our promised last

540
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: cultures to steep dive. And he's refused to have a

541
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: discussion with me about it until this moment. Joel, Yeah,

542
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: and she was Star is Born. He's tried to bait me.

543
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: He is trying to bait me. He is trying to

544
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: bait I think I think that we already know what

545
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: Joel stands on it. Well, yeah, because we knew even

546
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: before the movie came out, because he said he was

547
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: going to be contrarian no matter what. And that was

548
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: a joke that this stupid bit, you are a contrarian

549
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: on joke. I don't don't like this take a joke nonsense.

550
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: When you said that to me in the group text, Matt,

551
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a joke? I was like,

552
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: I was truly said that said that to you, you

553
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: feel this way? And I literally was like, Joel, you

554
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: were gonna hate the movie no matter what, And you said, nod,

555
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: do you know what a joke? No? I wanted to

556
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: like that movie more than I did. No one wanted

557
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: to go into that movie and love it. Absolutely, no one,

558
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: not a single person on this fucking planet wanted to

559
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: like that movie more than I did. But I think

560
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: I think Joel was in a very like understandable place

561
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: of just being like, there's no way it's going to

562
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: live up to all this crazy height. Let's go around

563
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the table and talk about our feelings and opinions about

564
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Stars Born, starting with our esteemed guests. Now, I think

565
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: you guys should go first. Okay, you go first. UM

566
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: went in with very high expectations that I deep down

567
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: there was a kernel of no way, no way is

568
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: it going to live up to this When in I

569
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: had just come from a weird day at work, and

570
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I was like, just absolutely, we want to We want textures, texture.

571
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: The first movie ever saw was we want Texture. So

572
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: we go to this theater, time Square, ten thirty Thursday. Um,

573
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: it's all of our friends, a lot of a lot

574
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: of fun pals, a lot of randos, and I will

575
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: just say so the energy was very frenetic. Was just

576
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot happening, a lot of activity, and you know,

577
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm just getting really hyped up. And then we watched

578
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: the movie. The first minutes or perfect, perfectly paced, perfectly performed,

579
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: wonderful direction, decent writing, and then it just and then

580
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: it just SAgs in the second half. And then I

581
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of things towards the end were unearned.

582
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: Uh And I don't know what the we we don't know,

583
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: uh what the point of view of the movie is,

584
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: if it's supposed to be told through Jackson. And then

585
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: at the end, I feel like we're not. No one's

586
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: on the same page about what the takeaway is. And

587
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: the thing that ruined the experience for me was the

588
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: fucking person behind me who shushed me during no it

589
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: was it was a white um uh like woman presenting

590
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: person and like I was like, and she shushed me,

591
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: and but not only but she shushed me during the

592
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: alley billboard shot. Well that's ridiculous. We just I just

593
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: couldn't stop laughing. Aaron Jackson was next to me. We

594
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: both lost it. We were like giggling like schoolgirls. And

595
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: then this fucking idiot goes and I gave the dirtiest

596
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: look I've ever given. Our space, our space during our movie.

597
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think so, honey, Like, stop

598
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: it he's that fucking sound ridiculous. Just literally used our

599
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: words ridiculous. Anyway, are you good? I'm good. That's me.

600
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: That That's all I have. Here's my review of the film,

601
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: and I understand that was my experience. All the audience

602
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: members can understand that, Yes, I had changel on and

603
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: it was I was in the afterglow of the film,

604
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: and also Chandel was there, so I had to be,

605
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, hyperbolic with my love of the movie. Here

606
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: is the t This is a complix of interest. Already,

607
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I loved it. I think that it's better than most movies. Really,

608
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: I do, and I do think it will be looked

609
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: back on as a good movie. However, Gaga, I think

610
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: she's amazing, amazing. I think Radley Cooper was fantastic. I

611
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: thought the directing for the most part was excellent, and

612
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: I think for his first movie, it's like a huge victory.

613
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: I thought it looks great. I think the most of

614
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: the music is phenomenal. Where it loses me and this

615
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: is like me as like someone who studied screenwriting, who

616
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: fucking I can't stand this ship is She's the only

617
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: female character in the whole movie, and that sucks. There's Gail,

618
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: and there's there's Gail Haalsy, Dave Chappelle's wife, nameless, nameless,

619
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: and then one of the little girls, one of the

620
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: little girls whatever, and then Gaga and I just feel like,

621
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: here's how you fix the movie. Make that ridiculous British

622
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: cartoon of a manager a woman, fucking Casscarrie Coon in

623
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: that part, watch her get I'm telling you just making

624
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: a female character, because hey, the character has no female

625
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: influence in her life. When she's motherless, she has no

626
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: female friend. She at with people who perform as women.

627
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: She's the kind of check who punches dudes at bars,

628
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: cops at bars. And then you're going to tell me

629
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: that this sucking literal cartoon of a British manager is

630
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: going to come in and say, hey, change everything about

631
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: you that's working musically, which was working. She's becoming like

632
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: a Sarah Barella's figure. And then she turns into fucking

633
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Katy Perry in a second. Change your whole look, which

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Speaker 1: no one's ever brought up a problem with her look.

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00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Her hair looked great when it was brown. And also,

636
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Speaker 1: I hate your husband and I'm gonna pit you against him.

637
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Speaker 1: It's like, why the fund do we accept this character

638
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Speaker 1: soul wholeheartedly in her life. I understand he's a powerful

639
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Speaker 1: person in the music industry, but I think the movie

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Speaker 1: could have helped itself by deepening that are like exploring

641
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Speaker 1: that thing there where there's no female influence in her

642
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Speaker 1: life or but but where you're saying is it's ridiculous

643
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Speaker 1: that the most influential agent of change in that movie

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Speaker 1: is that fucking manage, right, because it's totally unearned. It

645
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Speaker 1: it comes out of nowhere. And I think that kind

646
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Speaker 1: of crazy scene where he sits with him at with

647
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Speaker 1: Jackson at the house and says, you know that it's

648
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Speaker 1: a matter of time and so drink again, and also

649
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Speaker 1: you're gonna bear a danger to her and all these things.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if this is a female character, at least

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Speaker 1: we can understand this is coming from a place of

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Speaker 1: like real knowledge about maybe what she's going through or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it's not. It's this ridiculous character. And I think

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Speaker 1: that was weird. The fact that they made her into

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Speaker 1: this pop star was weird because we see all the time, uh,

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Speaker 1: singers like Sarah Burrellis, singers like you know, like any

657
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Speaker 1: sort of like a dolt a don't contemporary scooting artists

658
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Speaker 1: like that's what she could have been. Also, like, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna set the set the movie in country music,

660
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: there's tons of pop country artists like Marion Morris for example,

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Speaker 1: that are successful doing what she's doing. Make her into

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Speaker 1: that kind of artist. This felt cartoonish to me. And

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Speaker 1: also my last thing with it is, yes, I understand

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Speaker 1: we have a temple to follow with the other stars born,

665
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Speaker 1: but that this movie does glamorize suicide. It does, and

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Speaker 1: it's it says like he died and now she can

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Speaker 1: fully be the star that she's always been, and it

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Speaker 1: was actually better for her that he passed away in

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Speaker 1: a way, that is what that's what's happening. Her true

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Speaker 1: artistry only came out after he killed him. But and

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Speaker 1: also like I just want to say, there's no way

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Speaker 1: And I felt that movie trying to be other iconic

674
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Speaker 1: movies where a pop star things at the end a

675
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Speaker 1: little bit. But I thought God was fantastic. I think

676
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Speaker 1: it's a melodrama, and therefore I'm willing to let a

677
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Speaker 1: lot of these things go. I cried three times watching

678
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Speaker 1: the film, and I really enjoyed it and did see

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Speaker 1: it three more times after I saw it the first time.

680
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Speaker 1: I loved the movie. I think that it will be

681
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: nominated for a lot of Oscars. I think it will

682
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: win a few Oscars. Not convinced on Gaga. Pretty convinced

683
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Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper will win Best Actor. What I think they're

684
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Speaker 1: not gonna be about. It's not a credit. It's actually

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Speaker 1: Sam Elliott. Yeah, I liked his performance very much. That

687
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Speaker 1: was one of the times I cried. I thought Proudley

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Speaker 1: Cooper was excellent. I think the acting in the movie

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Speaker 1: is fantastic, fantastic, and I think that she was great. Wow. Um.

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Speaker 1: I hope gay Icon gay ally andrewdyce Clay gets nominated

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Speaker 1: to him sharing scenes with fucking Lady Gaga. Fucking if

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, why did you do that to me?

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Speaker 1: As a bob, why did you do that to me? Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's at the it's a Diane Warren added to the

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Speaker 1: know me? And also, I will say Shallow is a

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Speaker 1: great moment in movies. Yes, yes, yes, now Joel, Joel, Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's am I allowed to speak and I allowed to

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Speaker 1: say what I want to say. I haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to express these opinions. Here's the thing, here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 1: I will I agree with Bowen. I think the first

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes is incredible. I think it's so textured.

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00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I love the scene in the gay bar when they're

745
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: in the parking lots incredible. I think one moment it's

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Speaker 1: like writing one on one. It made me so fucking hard.

747
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Speaker 1: Was this fucking cheese puffs in the back? Do you

748
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: like cheese? No? And then we just see the driver

749
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: eating it in the background. Love it. Chef's kiss, great singing,

750
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Shallows together, a great movie moment. Love. I think the

751
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: performances are fine. Um. I think it is one of

752
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: the worst scripts I have ever sat through in a

753
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: long time, this prestige level movie. There's a line when

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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga literally sits across from Bradley Cooper and says

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Speaker 1: the phrase, I normally write my songs on the type

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Speaker 1: of writer, and it goes unaddressed. It does unaddressed. I

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Speaker 1: do not under I almost like I wanted to set

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Speaker 1: myself aflame when I heard her say that, And I

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Speaker 1: was like, and there was no like p O v

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Speaker 1: as like, oh if it was if they made it

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Speaker 1: like if Bradley, if they just like shot a shot

762
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: of Bradley Cooper like looking horrified, I would have been satisfied.

763
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: And the and then and the other thing is is

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Speaker 1: that the timeline is insane, and I Bradley Cooper has

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Speaker 1: said in interviews that he specifically did not want to

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Speaker 1: have a montage or anything that like an Ali getting

767
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: famous montage. But there are so many scenes where you

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Speaker 1: literally I was like, oh, this is being shot, and

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Speaker 1: that people are reacting and speaking as though this is

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Speaker 1: four months later, and then you find that it's like

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Speaker 1: two days later. And then it's like, what exactly is

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Speaker 1: the timeline of her rise? And even more confusing, his

773
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: fall makes no sense. How do you go from selling

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Speaker 1: out his stadium to then shoot doing a pharmaceutical like conference.

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Speaker 1: It did, and then he goes back to being a

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Speaker 1: performer at the Grammys. It makes no sense. And then

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Speaker 1: when he disappears and then she shows up and finds him.

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Speaker 1: Has she been searching for him for a night? A week?

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Speaker 1: How many days has been he wakes up? He wakes up?

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Speaker 1: Um terrible. I think one of the greatest mistakes that

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Speaker 1: this movie made is that it sets up a very

782
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Speaker 1: compelling conflict for Bradley Cooper that none of the other

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Speaker 1: movies touched on, which is the hearing loss tonight. It's great,

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Speaker 1: it's great, it's a great thing. It's a great thing

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Speaker 1: to layer in. And then they completely drop it, and

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Speaker 1: then he ends up killing himself because the manager was

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Speaker 1: mean to him. It makes no well. I bought that

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Speaker 1: he was very sick. I bought him committing suicide because

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Speaker 1: I bought him as very mentally ill. I just don't

790
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Speaker 1: like the way that it was handled, especially Sam Elliott saying,

791
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, this wasn't your fault, it was his fault.

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00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: That message is really problematic. I also think there are

793
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Speaker 1: so many weird emotional jumps that happened in the movie.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the punch makes sense. I sense the

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00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: punch is comes from nowhere. It is not does not

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Speaker 1: seem motivated by any human emotion that we have ever written.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't seem drunk enough. She doesn't seem drunk. He didn't.

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Speaker 1: The guy didn't seem aggressive we're supposed to buy. I

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Speaker 1: guess that she is just triggered by the the idea

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Speaker 1: of someone taking a picture with him. It makes no sense,

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Speaker 1: um you for Also, you left out a female character,

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Speaker 1: m No, the his wife from Bora. By the way

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Speaker 1: that she's at she's a comedian. I'm sorry I had to.

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Speaker 1: You know, she was great in that scene. Listen, if

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Speaker 1: Tony Colette, if Tony Collette can win a Boston Critics

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Speaker 1: Association Award for her turn in the Hours for like

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Speaker 1: left fifteen minutes of stage time, then I believe that

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Speaker 1: that woman can can win about some break that you

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Speaker 1: really have just got. But that is such, that is

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Speaker 1: the most eligate thing you said since you, Jalda, know

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Speaker 1: that Tony Colette one a sucking Boston Boston Critics Associate

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Speaker 1: Association award for her work in the Hours. I think

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Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle seen is awful. I really bro really think

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Speaker 1: that you can tell. Here's here's a little thing that

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Speaker 1: I noticed as well, is that The thing is is

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Speaker 1: the bros Are so clearly written, but in Chappelle's actual

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Speaker 1: like vocal like pattern, he says man because there is

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Speaker 1: a line where he literally says man and Row in

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Speaker 1: the same sentence. And it's so distracting because it's clear

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Speaker 1: that those bros Are not natural for him, but the

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Speaker 1: man's are. So it's it was so distracting. And that song,

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00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: that last song could be a song in any movie.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a different from It's from a different

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Speaker 1: movie I when I knew Diane Warren. And and also

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Speaker 1: we haven't talked about this yet the entire movie, and

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Speaker 1: I know that like there's some argument about like what

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Speaker 1: the p o v of the movie is, but I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It does feel very clearly like it has an antipop

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Speaker 1: agenda that is like weird and insidious in a way

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Speaker 1: that I don't understand. And also I do think that

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Speaker 1: why did you do that to me? While I did

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Speaker 1: hear it, hearing it in the gay bar, in the

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Speaker 1: gay club, it's a great experience and I do love

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Speaker 1: to jam to it. It is very fun. But that

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Speaker 1: performance on SNL is Jenna Moroni on thirty Rock. It

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Speaker 1: is such a parody of was a good pop performances

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Speaker 1: and you're supposed to laugh at it. Yeah, it's it

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Speaker 1: is Muffin top A Jason and and that made me

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Speaker 1: matt because it's like, well, and then I took out

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Speaker 1: the dancers because I'm an artist, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so you don't do that. These dancers are gonna be

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Speaker 1: like no, we actually have to work. This is there's

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Speaker 1: a union bit. Yeah, I feel yeah. Also, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a problem with the

845
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: fact that they made her into that kind of artist.

846
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: She did it. There was nothing about what she was

847
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: doing and why he even liked her. The manager to

848
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: begin with that said let's turn this person into Lady

849
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Gaga because we didn't even know she could extrac with

850
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: four albums before she went that full. And here's the thing,

851
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: I actually think it very much mirrors what literally happened

852
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 1: with Katy Perry, because Katy Perry was a warped tour artist.

853
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: She was a musician first and then she became the

854
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: sort of you know, cartoon that she is now. But

855
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I agree with you about the timeline. I would buy

856
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: that happening because it literally really happened to Katy Perry

857
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: and we see it like happen over time with many

858
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: artists who have to who feel like they have to

859
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: sexualize themselves or do that. But because the timeline was unclear,

860
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: it felt jarring and there was really no moment where

861
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: it was like, you're actually really capable as a pop

862
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: star like this. And another thing that bothered me is

863
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: when she was telling Bradley Cooper about her meeting with

864
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the guy and she was like, he really likes that

865
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: song from the diner. It's like, when did he hear

866
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: that song? Yeah? That made no sense. And here's the

867
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: here's the other biggest here's the other biggest problem with

868
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: the second half is that it loses track of Lady

869
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: Gaga completely. I do not understand what Ali wants in

870
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that second half of the movie. I didn't understand what,

871
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: like is her conflicts other than Bradley Cooper's alcoholism. It

872
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: just like I don't. It's like her journey stops as

873
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: soon as the star is born, you know, and then

874
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: like and then it turns into a full his vehicle

875
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: and it doesn't I don't know, because like we're so

876
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: locked into her the wish fulfillment of her turn me

877
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: in the first half of the movie, and that is

878
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: compelling to me in a way that like, because listen,

879
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: this movie is a can't melodrama in general, it's like

880
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: redoing a myth, like where I did not go into this.

881
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Once I realized that this movie is a melodrama and

882
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: judging it on that, grading it on that curve, it's like, fine,

883
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. It does not

884
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: need to surprise me with its storytelling. But there is

885
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: an interesting that you can do a well trod story well.

886
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: And I think the first half of the movie does that.

887
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: I think the first half of the movie reinvents that

888
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: myth in a way that's really compelling and interesting to watch.

889
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: And I think the second half of the movie does

890
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: nothing but pile cliche on top of cliche on top

891
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: of its well established world. It completely leaves a well

892
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: established and where do they live? Where do Ali and

893
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: her father live? That is a mystery and the other yeah,

894
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: they'll have Jersey accents. It's crazy. Oh and here's uh, listen,

895
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: I could go on. I actually think anything. Uh, Andrew

896
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Day's Clay is better than Sam. He's really got that too.

897
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I think he's it's really good. I

898
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: think Sam uh Elliot Elliott has some real, like hard

899
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: scenes to pull off. The scene work switch that was

900
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: such a switch as soon as they got into what

901
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: we called in theater school, the kisser hit range. I

902
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: started speaking about three centimeters away from each other's faces,

903
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: like it was a switch that like again did not

904
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: feel motivated and like you could tell like Sam Elliott

905
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: was as an actor, was like, I guess I have

906
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks here and get there. Myself

907
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: self motivated to get there, but there's nothing in the

908
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: script that like I did not understand the switch from

909
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: the like anger to like true tears. Him backing out

910
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: of the driveway was great. I think Andrew dice Clay,

911
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: if he had one more scene, would have a better

912
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: chance of being nominated for Best Supporting than Sam Neil Well.

913
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: That that last scene where he's like um saying, you

914
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: know the twelve notes thing that was supposed to be

915
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: a scene between Andrew dice Clay and Lady Gaga and

916
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Radley Cooper at the last second called Sam Elliott and

917
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: said had to be him because he wanted that connection

918
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: between and here's what I'll say about Bradley Cooper's performance,

919
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: and I'm torn. It's so funny because I have, I have,

920
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: I've changed my position depending on who I've spoken to

921
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: a number of times, because there is like a literal

922
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: whisper network of gay men in l A who like,

923
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: do not like this movie, and are too afraid to

924
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: speak out about it. I know that I'm about to

925
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: shed about a thousand followers on Twitter because if my

926
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: my views, you know, I think everyone, I think everyone.

927
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: This movie isn't perfect. Know, I've seen people. There are

928
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: people going so hard. I saw someone who very lightly

929
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the movie sort of goes downhill

930
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: after they sing the Shallows together, And a critic jumped

931
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: in the thread and was like, that's the point. The

932
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: point is that you know they're the rest of their

933
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: relationship is chasing after that. And listen, I understand that

934
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting avenue to take for this movie,

935
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: but you can also make it interesting to watch as well.

936
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to like the audience doesn't have to

937
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: feel the malaise about what the characters are feeling for

938
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: that to work. And the other and the last thing

939
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: I'll say is there are so much Kike on faces,

940
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: so much frosting on faces, and does acne not exist

941
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: in this world? Does that is everyone just getting chemical

942
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: peels every single fucking day, because oh my god, I couldn't.

943
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch the cream cheese, like when she announces

944
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: that she like is signed, or when she says the

945
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: manager thing and he's obviously drunk and he takes the

946
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: kike and puts it in her face. I thought that

947
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: was like a really good example of their I think,

948
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: really good chemistry. But then give them that. But then

949
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: the next one was where it was like you you

950
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: were nervous, as the audiences, as the audience just being

951
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: like wait a minute. And that was a moment for

952
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: me where I was like maybe I was just not

953
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: responding in the right way. But I was like, oh,

954
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think this movie knows is pulling off. I

955
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: think it was supposed to be supposed to be a

956
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: little bit. I think that is the microcrossm of the

957
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: whole movie. Like that is the movie where small it's like, oh,

958
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: does this movie know what it's trying to do? After

959
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: I always remember us this way the the Bread and

960
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: Magic comes in. It's it's interesting because I do feel

961
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: like people either every single person almost that I've spoken

962
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: to who's left that movie has been like, Lady Gaga

963
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: is great, but I actually think Bradley Cooper is is

964
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: overrated or actually don't didn't really like Gaga and I

965
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: think Bradley Cooper is a revelation. And I've spoken to

966
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: many people on both sides, and every time I've been like, yes,

967
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: I agree, Um, you could win an Oscar for that

968
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: scene alone. I apologize. Do the thing is is I

969
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: just I ultimately don't think that you you I walked

970
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: away from this movie I think feeling any strong feelings

971
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: differently about them. I love them both, and but I

972
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: guess for me with Bradley Cooper is I did not

973
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: find it a transformative enfix of a performance to not

974
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: be distracted by the fact that I was watching Bradley

975
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: Cooper do this character. Okay, I disagree with that, and

976
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I think, well, and I think it's it's it's sort

977
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: of like that is that is a me issue because

978
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: I was not able to like turn off that part

979
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: of my brain and I think, like, yeah, that is

980
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: that that's the cure, that's the remedy. I will say,

981
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: Can I say something, Um, It's very funny because Matt

982
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: was over at my apartment before we were very late

983
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: to this recording, and Matt was just looking up gags

984
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: for a game show at his show with Dave, and

985
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: he was playing clips of Titanic of Rose, of the

986
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: Course It's seen, and just we were just quoting that

987
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: dialogue back and forth because it's just in our bones,

988
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: and we were just laughing at how stupid the writing is.

989
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: And I'm realizing, you know, the money's gone. Of course

990
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: it's gone. You remind me every day. It's like terrible

991
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: writing choice is ever okay? And I think you distress.

992
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: Why are you being so selfish? If it's truly so silly?

993
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Script is so bad? I think this, And whoever that

994
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: critic was that you quoted as saying, like it feels

995
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: like Titanic. It's like the buzzes, It's like Sasha Stone

996
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: is being so extra okay, But I feel like it's

997
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it does feel in some way comparable type

998
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: to Titanic, where this cultural conversation is maddening and we're

999
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: talking around in circles. It's La La Land again. And

1000
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: I will say this, it's the same complaints I had

1001
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: with La La Land, where the script is horrid and

1002
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: there's a first half of the movie that is brilliant,

1003
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: and then you get that fucking stupid I'm sorry. La

1004
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: La Land has one of the worst scenes we've seen

1005
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: in modern cinema history. Is the argument between them when

1006
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: I decided to break up, when when he's made her

1007
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever, and the literally it's literally they have

1008
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: an argument because the movie needs them to break up.

1009
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: It's not earned, it's not motivated. They're great, but they

1010
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: can't even I do. I agree that that scene is bad,

1011
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: but I also find it laughable. Some of the people

1012
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: who stand so hard for a star is born, who

1013
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: went so hard in on La La Land, and I

1014
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: do not think that the quality wise these movies have

1015
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: a gulf between them. I really like. And the thing

1016
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: is is I liked La La La La La La,

1017
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: and I like fine. I think there's better acting in

1018
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: La La Land than there is I think deserve. I

1019
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: can't remember who else was up for it that year.

1020
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: I can't imagine she did because but but I do

1021
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: love her, and I think she was gray but and

1022
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I think she's probably better than Gaga is in this movie.

1023
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: But and the music is better in the Stars Born

1024
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: that I would definitely like Passagin Paul. I could say

1025
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: some things, but oh, I just think they're they're bad

1026
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: musical theater writers. I think they they're good individual songs.

1027
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing, and it is it

1028
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: is the most emblematic in the Greatest Showman. Is that

1029
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: because they these boys came up in in the song

1030
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: cycle generation of musical theater writers. They're good at writing

1031
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: an individual song like Waving through a Window is one

1032
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: of the most gorgeous like musical theaters. Uh, songs for

1033
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: that Boy and for Forever as great as well. But

1034
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: like some a lot of these, like especially in The

1035
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: Greatest Showman this is Me. I love it, you know,

1036
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: I love the Greatest. But the problem is is none

1037
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: of those songs moved the plot forward in a classically

1038
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: like musical theater way. It's this is who is she

1039
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: singing to? Who is the who is the who is

1040
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: she singing to? What does she want at the end

1041
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: of the song? Does she win? Does she lose? Like

1042
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: as a dramatic writer questions, you should be asking yourself

1043
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: about the songs of your musical. The only song that

1044
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: does that, and the Greatest Showman is I think a

1045
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: Million Dreams like the very first song, but there's a man.

1046
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: There are three songs and Greatest Showman are fucking You

1047
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: could watch peint dry and it will be more exciting.

1048
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: I love a Million Dreams. There are three bops in

1049
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: a row. It's rewrite the Stars, Bob City Bitch, this

1050
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: is this is me, Bob Deep Bop. And then Michelle

1051
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Williams and her ass walking a tight rope. Mama, Oh,

1052
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: rewrite the Stars. It's very good. Um. Also, I do

1053
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: love and never never Enough. Shout out to my friend

1054
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: Dance Later, who remixed never Enough. It is the e

1055
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: d It is the definitive e d M remix of

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: never Enough. That was the backdrop for Wow. That's culture.

1057
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: But also you know that the actress that played that

1058
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: parts the only person that Rebecca Ferguson couldn't couldn't voice

1059
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: Season four or five estant that is that is about

1060
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: as best as you can hope for its contestant. One Yeah,

1061
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: uncredited appearance. And this is Lauren already is literally touring

1062
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: right now with Symphonies where she walks out, sings that

1063
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: song and then leaves and she and she's getting paid

1064
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: a million a million. Oh, you have not lived until

1065
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: you are fucking like on the come up of Molly.

1066
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: Sucking song comes on in a circuit party at they

1067
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: am and you're scripting because it is it is such

1068
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: a good it's so good, that's so good. But again,

1069
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: what how does it move the story forward in anything?

1070
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: I think because it's the moment when he falls in

1071
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: love with her and Michelle is like, I'm losing. Also, um,

1072
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: the song the duet between Hugh and Zach is pretty

1073
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: good too. Not a good song, but in terms of

1074
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: like moving moving the Platford. But even the song at

1075
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: the end when like he decides to like go and reopen,

1076
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: it is like a stirring song where it's like do

1077
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: do We're all and it's like it starts at zero

1078
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: and then there's a song and then the story is

1079
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: starts again in a completely same place. Zach is good.

1080
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: You can miss it, you can tell you that isn't

1081
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: there during fucking Dirty Grandpa, I'm sorry. And he's so

1082
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: much hotter when he's doing musical, he really is. He's

1083
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: good at it, he's gonna But when he's doing these

1084
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: broad fraddy comedies, I'm like, I'm sorry, but you seem

1085
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: like everyone else right now. And he loves talents that

1086
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: are not what musical will we cast Zack and Zack

1087
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: and like Boch and Wicked. No, he could he would

1088
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: be a good fierro. No, that's what I meant. Oh

1089
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: my god, sorry, not would you would be a good

1090
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: I always that this is a sad thing about being

1091
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: a little gay person of Keller, is that like the

1092
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: roles that you dream of, we couldn't have thought better

1093
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: for ourselves. We were like, God, I hope I get

1094
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: to be boxed someday because that's what I thought, That's

1095
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: what I thought was available to at the time. That's true.

1096
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he's so good in hair spray too. He's

1097
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: he's really talented. I mean, and also he plays those

1098
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: kinds of parts well and it's just like you don't know,

1099
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's too roided out now. That's

1100
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: this is the sucked up thing about l A that

1101
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: I've really and this has actually helped my body is

1102
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: more feel a lot. Moving to l A wildly moving

1103
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: to l A has helped my body image issues because

1104
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: I am now so privy to how prevalent steroid usages

1105
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: and especially in our community, and like everybody that I

1106
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: thought was attainable like just through hard work and diet

1107
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: alone is not. And it's just like and now I've

1108
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I've become a real expert in spotting and being like

1109
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: and just being okay with like the progress that I'm

1110
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: making because and the thing is is I have nothing

1111
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: morally against steroids. I if I had the backnee real

1112
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: estate to give up to do if you wanted the

1113
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: knob nipples, if I if I listen, I love my genitals,

1114
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: but I truly do not have a centimeter to give

1115
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: up with my balls, you know, like like there, it's

1116
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: just like I'm walking a fine line as it is,

1117
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: and I just need all of the space down there

1118
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: that I can get, and so I cannot do the steroids.

1119
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: But the it, like my thing is is like all

1120
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: these Instagram models who are like, you can get here too,

1121
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: if you just like follow my program and give me

1122
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: forty dollars and I'll give it to you. It's so

1123
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: disons actually, speaking of venom, Tom Hardy Bisexual Icon is

1124
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: one of the only people who's done one of those

1125
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: movies in recent history. When he was baying in the

1126
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: dark Night. There's like press junket interviews with him where

1127
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: they're like, how did you gain all this way for

1128
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: the role? Did you eat a lot of fish? And

1129
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: he's like, no steroids. It's just like, yeah, he was

1130
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Like I think he was a little bit cheecker about

1131
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: than that, but like he's like one of the only

1132
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: people who like fully to be like because it's like

1133
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: all the Chris is there's no way they all got there.

1134
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. S Worth's body is freakish. Chris Hemsworth's body

1135
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: is it's like carved out of stone. It's Evans. Yeah,

1136
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, Pine is pretty natural. That looks just like

1137
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: he goes to the gym, you know whose body I

1138
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: always see on Instagram And I'm like, I would kill

1139
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: the out of this body, which I probably I probably

1140
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: would have to sell my soul to the devil is

1141
00:59:54,440 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: cold Haynes. He looks like he doesn't eat though. Coulton, No,

1142
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: he has to eat his ship and he's huge. He's

1143
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: so skinny, that's and what do you mean like he's

1144
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: so his body fat percentage is very low, which means

1145
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: he probably does use steroids because it's really difficult to

1146
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: be that large without having I'm sure his body fat

1147
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: is like at six or seven percent, and he's large

1148
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: and lean, and that is Colton Haynes. Yes, he's large. Yeah.

1149
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen him? And I never seen him

1150
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: in person. He's a big boy. He's a big boy. O. God,

1151
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: you know I didn't. I didn't think of him as

1152
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: being big. Yeah. Well, I mean, did you see him

1153
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: rough Night where he plays the stripper? Yeah? I didn't.

1154
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't remember it. Well, I don't on screen.

1155
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm always just like I never really understand like what

1156
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: depth perception. I guess sure by the way rough Knight

1157
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: just I think I saw it on a plane on

1158
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: a plane. That might like be like influencing my review

1159
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: of it, but I think it's like truly the funniest movie.

1160
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel do you feel like movies are better

1161
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: on planes? I do? Oh, okay. Always a guy who

1162
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: dumped me like had this whole thing where he was like,

1163
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: you have to drink a glass of white wine before

1164
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: you get on this plane and watch Greatest Showman because

1165
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: you will fucking lose it. And well, the altitude really

1166
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: does suck you up in a big way too, Because

1167
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: I have sobbed so many times on planes watching movies

1168
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: where I'm like, why am I crying watching this movie? Again? Um?

1169
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: But is the what not? Is that the internship or

1170
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: the intern the and Hathaway Robert wept. I love them,

1171
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I will say. I sobbed watching the live action Beauty

1172
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: and the Beast recently on the plane. And here's another

1173
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: hot take. Live action Beauty and the Beast, don't do this.

1174
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: It's better than you have said that, and you're it's

1175
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: not better. It's not better. I will say if I

1176
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: were to if I were watching the cartoon, if I

1177
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: were watching the cartoon, I were watching the cartoon, I

1178
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: would say, I have some notes, And then if I

1179
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: watch the live action I would be like, Okay, they

1180
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: took some of my notes because here's the things, here's

1181
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: we need to recast the dishwasher who's playing Well, here's

1182
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing live action solves story wise

1183
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: for me? Is that A I do like that they

1184
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: made Bell the inventor in the live action agency. I

1185
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: think it's it's a better play. I think too. They

1186
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: solve a huge problem with the cartoon, which is why

1187
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: does no one remember this castle exists? Until all of

1188
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: the events of this movie. Yes, but they only that's

1189
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: only from the live action. The whole town forgets. And

1190
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: then they add this actually truly dark layer, is that

1191
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: all the servants who are now fucking items in the

1192
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: in the castle have fan families in the town that

1193
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: have forgotten all about them, and that they're reunited. And

1194
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: then the other thing is there's this urgency in the

1195
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: live action because there's not only will they stay clocks

1196
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: and dusters and stuff like that, but they lose their

1197
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: their agency, they lose like their humanity, basically like they're

1198
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: slowly turning more and more into and out of objects,

1199
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: which is terrific. And then also Audre McDonald and the

1200
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: piano are married in the live action, and there is

1201
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: a very sad sort of undercurrent of this subplot where

1202
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: they haven't seen each other in years because she's a

1203
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: fucking chest of drawers up in her room and he's

1204
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: the grand piano and so they're trapped and they can't

1205
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: see each other. Wow, it's really sad and it's dark,

1206
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: and it's dark. As a screenwriter, you must appreciate. I

1207
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: appreciate these changes. But the fact of the matter is

1208
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: they add songs which slow the movie down? Do they

1209
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: just They also add that weird subplot, which doesn't exactly work.

1210
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't add anything. And also, Emma Watson does sound.

1211
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: Emma Watson sounds like a dishwash. She sounds like a

1212
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: Cassio keyboard. She sounds like it sounds like you're doing

1213
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: scales on a She's like she's practicing. Is good. I

1214
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I actually I and this might be just

1215
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: shout out to Sudie Green, who once texted me, Emma

1216
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: Stone is amazing. I love her. She is hermione and

1217
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: carries that legacy. And I said Emma Watson, babe, and

1218
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: she goes fuck, but it was too late and had

1219
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: already been posted to Instagram. That's something no one knows about.

1220
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: Commonly commonly masses up celebrities names. She once called Christine

1221
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: Baranski Christie Brinkley when she was one of my favorites.

1222
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: She's a child of immigrants. Stop o g who faced

1223
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: Christine Bransky. Chris Colford was Chris Koffner. That's I mean,

1224
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: that's fair. Though he's a secret hottie too, would bang okay,

1225
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like he was he was he doing stuff.

1226
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: He's not really doing anything. And he actually wrote a movie.

1227
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: He wrote a movie good for him, but I don't

1228
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: know if it was received. But I remember towards the

1229
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: end of Glee, like I would check back in with

1230
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: Glee because in the beginning he was like, you know,

1231
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: dorky looking Chris Kolfor and then at the end they

1232
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: like did his hair, he got a little body on

1233
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, Shore, that's that game. It's

1234
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: such a baby faced money you know, don't get money money.

1235
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: What were you about to say, Jolie, it's not important. No,

1236
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: you guys have you're having fun. It's cool. What well

1237
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: you know you're having what's going on? I still don't

1238
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: understand how to use that catch face, Like okay, so

1239
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: so let's say I'll be like, um, Jennifer Hudson does

1240
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: not have a good voice. Do you feel this way? Yes? Exactly,

1241
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. Imagine saying those words. But that's

1242
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: just like an extreme example. We should shout out at

1243
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: this point the group text that Mujoel and Nicole Silverberger on,

1244
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: which has no name, but it's basically the voice it is.

1245
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: It is the three people in our lives that talk

1246
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: about the boss and watch the voice regularly. It's very difficult.

1247
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: It's a great season right now. It's great. It's good.

1248
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: It's good. I mean the judges are are good. Yeah,

1249
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm good. Comb The show is not about the contestants.

1250
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: The show will never create a star. Never say something

1251
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: the trees. It's mission. It does it does not, it

1252
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: does not because I don't think the mission was ever

1253
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: to be like American Idol, We're going to create a superstar.

1254
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: I think the mission from the beginning was this is

1255
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: a show where four judges compete. No, I really do

1256
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: think it started up because the thing is to look

1257
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: at the careers of the people that's the four that started.

1258
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: They were not a listers at the time. They the

1259
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: voice was not getting a listers from the start. They're

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Speaker 1: only getting a listers now. You wouldn't consider at the time.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think Christina was not five was

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01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: a huge band. It was a huge band, but he

1263
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: But the thing is is we're a huge deal, not

1264
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: in terms of current records, in terms of being a celebrity.

1265
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: But she she was a has been celebrity at that point.

1266
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't think what was her hit? Let that be

1267
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: love here here. This is the first time the first time.

1268
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: That's you need to see treatment. That's a great song.

1269
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: And then Celo at the time was like Celo was

1270
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: big before he was like doing whatever he was doing,

1271
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: selling math, two Kids or whatever the fuck you got

1272
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: caught doing. Blake Shelton was a huge country artist. There

1273
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: you go. So but I think I think that Kelly, Jennifer,

1274
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: Blake and Adam now it's a different. This is the

1275
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: problem is that the show doesn't know what its mission is.

1276
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: I think that's my theory, even though I I don't

1277
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: watch the show. It is a place to come on

1278
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: and rehab your career if you're a pop star. That's

1279
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, that's what went Stefani did. It's

1280
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: a place to launch your next project. As do you

1281
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: hear that the sounds of people honking out there is

1282
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: there is like Christina Aguilera and her fans and her

1283
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: fourteen fans out there, like how dare you? I'm an

1284
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: a listener. Christina's out there, and I mean she's fine.

1285
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I do love I love

1286
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: the other iterations of the voice too. I love Voice Australia.

1287
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: When I was in Australia, I watched so much Voice

1288
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Australia and they did some fucked up shipped to people there.

1289
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: They did some fucked up like they had these brothers

1290
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: on and they did this whole package and it was

1291
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: like we're very competitive and we're both hot and we're

1292
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: both going to get on the Voice. And then they

1293
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: auditioned one after the other and then one on one

1294
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: gets on and the other does not, and it is

1295
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: They do that ship a lot, though it's heartbreaking not expected.

1296
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm the new American Idol, which I fully hope doesn't

1297
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: come back. There was like this one girl who was like,

1298
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: I want to be a pop star and I'm my

1299
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: name is like mackensas or something, and mckensas, I'm from

1300
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: whatever town and girl, I'm a pop star. Okay, look

1301
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: at my short short dress and my my fucking amazing hair.

1302
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: And the sister was like, Ali, Hi, my name is

1303
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: um Rebecca and I am her sister, and um, you know,

1304
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: I played the guitar. Definitely, it's one of my interests.

1305
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: But I'm here to watch her. Like Katie Perry listens

1306
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: to mckensas thing and she's like, let me take me down,

1307
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: Like I'm a damn I know, and they're like, wow,

1308
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: that was kind of good. Wow. She's like, I have

1309
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: a sister, and they're like wow, let's see her. And

1310
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: she just comes in with her guitar like what am

1311
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: I doing here? It's so staged, and she does this

1312
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: like transcendent performance of like fu Can and they're all

1313
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: crying and they're like, you're a star. You can both

1314
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: go to Hollywood, but you're a star. Mckensas is like, um, hello,

1315
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: what's about me? Mackensas, you never heard them again? I

1316
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: love this play. This one play off Broadway, bitch, take

1317
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: it off. It's show Rebecca. I will do it, do it?

1318
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, man, I are trying to write the show that.

1319
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: I just had this idea where we should write. I want.

1320
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: I want to see our next our next live show,

1321
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: to be our next play, to be like Charlie's Angels.

1322
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Ish you say, our next play, because before you all

1323
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: knew who we even were, we were doing ours nova

1324
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: show called night Soap, which is truly my proudest work.

1325
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 1: It's our greatest effort and there's no record of it,

1326
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: no record of it. We might do it again. Um

1327
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: to play right here, play right? I haven't written a

1328
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: play in years. Don't you've written for the screen. Yeah,

1329
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: plays for the screen, the screen, and they're I'm working

1330
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: on new scripts. Oh maybe trying to get staffed soon, Okay, okay,

1331
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: getting make an effort, I hope. So it's going to

1332
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: be a little Lost Angeles baby with me. I think

1333
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in January, don't see, I'm going I'm

1334
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna start our own podcast called I'm

1335
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Gonna Become one of the l A Gays, and we're

1336
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: going to play that game with our phones on our

1337
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: forehead with the only best supporting actress winners. Wow, that

1338
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: was the most stressful moment in my entire life watching you. No,

1339
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't shady, but like I was just like, oh,

1340
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm out of my It's a very different edge I

1341
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: will say out there and I can talk about it

1342
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: because I know none of them support me and are

1343
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: listening right now. I don't think any of them. I

1344
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: love my friends. I do. I do. I love my

1345
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: friends out there so much. They're so important to me.

1346
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: They keep me afloat, they keep me grounded. The thing is, like,

1347
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: I know that if I were to move out there,

1348
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: that's who I would hang out. There's there's no doubt

1349
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: about that. UM. But I will say like, one of

1350
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: the things that um, if you're moving across the country

1351
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: and leaving your closest friends behind. One of the things

1352
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: that I think was really hard for me when I

1353
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: was in it was that I tried to replace you

1354
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: guys with them and they're different, trying to make it

1355
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: like I tried to experience the same things that I

1356
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: did with you guys with them. And as soon as

1357
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: I dropped that in my brain and I was like,

1358
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: oh no, they're like different friends, and like it's a

1359
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: different kind of friendship and still good like and still

1360
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: very deep and loving and whatever, I was so much

1361
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: happier and healthier because I wasn't trying to be like

1362
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: I need my bowen, you know, and you will be

1363
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: my new bowen. Like because there's there's only one is

1364
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: there only one me? There's a couple of mats, there's

1365
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: a couple of maximum, several maths, basically beach several mats.

1366
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: It's hard, Elie is hard this years listen. I'll say

1367
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: it like I always feel like this is the other

1368
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: thing I feel when I do this podcast, is I

1369
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,520
Speaker 1: am coming off the heels of like a huge professional

1370
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: failure in some aspect. And it's been a tough year.

1371
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: It's been a tough year, and it's been talking about

1372
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,839
Speaker 1: failure is like is important as as talking about successes.

1373
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: And I said this to you guys to via text

1374
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: the other day because people and I get that, like

1375
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: my version of failure quote unquote over the past year

1376
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: is graded on a curve over the course of my career.

1377
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: And like if if if you told me six years

1378
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: ago that this is what failure, it would be insane,

1379
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: but like, and but you have to understand because like

1380
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: people are watching from social media, and I do think

1381
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: that this year for me, it's been about half as

1382
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: good as I've made it seen on social media, but

1383
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: twice as good as it is in my own mind,

1384
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just hard, you know, like I've

1385
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: had Uh it just doesn't feel like I'm going into

1386
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen with any like anything new, exact same way.

1387
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 1: And I also know that, like if I were actually

1388
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: get over myself for a second and look at myself

1389
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: from the outside in, I'd be like, well, you're just

1390
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: being like a fatalist. And I know you have those

1391
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: sentencies as well, I've never really been like that until

1392
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: this year, and now it's like I think I'm experiencing

1393
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: things that I'm like perceiving as failures for the first

1394
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: time consecutively, personally, professionally, sort of emotionally, like in terms

1395
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: of self confidence. And that's just, like, I think, actually

1396
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: a good experience because it's keys you into the reality

1397
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: of this industry that we're trying to do and also

1398
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: the reality of being an adult and the reality of life,

1399
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: which is that not everything just happens and either it's

1400
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: not as clean, it's not upward trectories like sometimes you know,

1401
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: and that seems like so basic to say, but we

1402
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: all know that about the industry, but it's just like

1403
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to expect. You have to be reminded. This

1404
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: is my thing, is that no matter where you're positioned,

1405
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: and like if you do feel like that, if you

1406
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: do feel like in any given moment you are being

1407
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: successful or failing, like there's really nothing to do with that.

1408
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: You don't there's nothing to do with that information. There's

1409
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: not actionable thing that you do with that. So like, right,

1410
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: I think was something that bothers me sometimes and like

1411
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: this is something that actively bothers me is like, but

1412
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't let it is just the money

1413
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: aspect of things, like when I feel like friends leave

1414
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: my tax bracket, I'm always like, oh now I And

1415
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: that's like something that's and maybe people that listen to

1416
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: this can relate to that, just like constantly trying to,

1417
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: especially in a creative career, like earn enough money to

1418
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: keep up with the Jones is in a way because

1419
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: because I think with social media. I was talking to

1420
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: study about this today. I was talking about how I

1421
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: have issues with myself confidence lately, like in every area

1422
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: of my life, and she's like, it's social media, and

1423
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's like actually really true. Well,

1424
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: and you know, and I spoke about this earlier on

1425
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: a different Forever Dog podcast, But this is in the

1426
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: year two where I realized for myself that the apps

1427
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: and I still use the apps, especially when I am

1428
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: on the road, traveling or whatever. But so I worked

1429
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: at Gay Careers famously this year and I had sex

1430
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: with some of the hottest people I've ever had sex

1431
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: with people outside of my tax bracket looks wise, you know,

1432
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: outside and what I realized and I have I have

1433
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: been connected to the my self worth to the apps

1434
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: and my how I test on the apps and like

1435
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: and in a way that like I realized, like on

1436
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: the boat where none of us were on apps because

1437
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: that we were at sea. Um, this is that my

1438
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: person It is like I do so much better when

1439
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm face to face with someone and they better in

1440
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: the room. I test better in the room. I test

1441
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: better in the room. And it is because, like I

1442
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: think people, my pictures are like fine, but my personality

1443
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: is what carries me over through you know, people want

1444
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: to it's weird And I've always been like personality who

1445
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: does not matter. Gay men do not care about personality.

1446
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: But I think that's so. But there is an energy no,

1447
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: because I agree, Like there are certain people in my

1448
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: life whole you will get crushes on where I'm like,

1449
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: this person is physically repulsive to me. This person is disgusting.

1450
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: Want to I want them to ruin mesute. Honestly, I

1451
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: thought I had a crush on someone for such a

1452
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: long time, and I think it's because my brain convinced

1453
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: me that I had a crush on them. Also, that

1454
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: person is very much a player in this social media

1455
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: game where like they are putting forward a very specific image.

1456
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: I think every single person does that. But what I'm

1457
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: saying is that there is so much to do with

1458
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: like your brain convincing you I like this person because

1459
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I should like them, and then you

1460
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: get to know especially in the gay community, I think

1461
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that attractive single person, I like them,

1462
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: and then you're like you get to know them, and

1463
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: you're like, no, that person is like a friend to me,

1464
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: and nothing about this energy is like sexual or romantic.

1465
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: But your brain has tricked you into thinking school to

1466
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: do well. I found that I have to I have to.

1467
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: I came to this a couple of years ago, and

1468
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this before, but there is

1469
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: as like an Asian person in the gay community, there

1470
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: is a weird undercurrent of like entitlement with guys that

1471
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: are attracted to me, Like I do feel like there

1472
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: is like sometimes running underneath the surface of my uh

1473
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: interactions with people who are attracting me, where they're like,

1474
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: you should be so glad you are indebted to me.

1475
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: Crazy And I get it from strangers on apps, and

1476
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: I get it from people in my real life where

1477
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: I think they because they are aware of the power

1478
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: dynamics within our community. They think, well, like, what a

1479
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: catch for him? I think, yeah, and I think it's that,

1480
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: and I think it's like sometimes I get this weird

1481
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: sense that like, guys are like, what a hero I

1482
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: am for being attracted to? And I don't think it's

1483
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: me projecting. I don't think it's no, I really And

1484
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: it's something I struggle with probably definitely right that those

1485
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: guys think that, well, yeah, yeah, they're like, wow, I'm

1486
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: day an Asian. Cool, it's soup, but whatever, it's tough.

1487
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: It's tough. I I can't even tell you, guys where

1488
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm out in terms of the self esteem stuff. I'm like,

1489
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't even I feel like it's I feel like

1490
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: it's showing in a way I think your confidence has

1491
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: been so far up, up, up, up, since even just

1492
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: the summer. Really, I think it's emanating from you in

1493
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 1: a different way, Like I'm getting confidence from you in

1494
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: a way that I haven't seen at all. Post trip.

1495
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: It helped trip, and someone at this table might be

1496
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: experiencing it for the first time. Later, there's three people.

1497
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: We're doing a little Upstate Garrison trip, up state venture

1498
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: into the woods, and I am and I am. I'm

1499
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: like I was talking about this in therapy. It's like

1500
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the same as that first

1501
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: time on Fire Island, but it will be different and

1502
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: beautiful in its own way. I'm interested in having the experience.

1503
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 1: What do you hope to get out of the trip?

1504
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: Um tans my life, Ickensis. I want to become mckenzas.

1505
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: I kind of am mckensas. Yeah, here's what I want.

1506
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: Here's what I want. I want to clear my mind

1507
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: so that I'm like I want. I would like to

1508
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: clear my mind on this trip and so that I

1509
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: can just access what I like about myself again, because

1510
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like every time this is really I

1511
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: felt not attractive, I felt not funny. I've just felt

1512
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: like I'm forcing everything. I also think it's because you know,

1513
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: this is whatever, But like this was the year that

1514
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: like my ex boyfriend from my only relationship I've ever

1515
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: ever had, like truly moved on someone sort of broke

1516
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: my heart that I had feelings for um I open.

1517
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: I felt like I was trying to open myself up

1518
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: and things didn't really happen, Like professionally, I had a

1519
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: big disappointment, you know, what I mean, like I I

1520
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: someone I'm directly in like I've always you know, it's

1521
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: just not easy, you know what I mean. But also

1522
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: like they're all growing experiences. And I will say this,

1523
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: I feel an intense seasonal depression at the end of

1524
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: the summer, like the humidity here and the constant weighing

1525
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: down of like just the weather makes me really sad.

1526
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: And now that the weather is a little bit colder

1527
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like a little bit of a crisp

1528
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: in the air. I literally just my body is like

1529
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: responding in a way insane. I'd rather I hear you.

1530
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: I hear you. But also to be honest with you,

1531
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily always feel great in like a

1532
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: tank top, like I I really know, like I I

1533
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't have a great self image. And

1534
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: I think that I'm super self conscious and aware of

1535
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: myself because of social media sometimes and especially as our

1536
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: social media platform has grown. I I really do think

1537
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: this for me. But like this has been a good

1538
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: personally year with the body positivity stuff, because it has

1539
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: been something clicked in my brain about really trying to

1540
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: come to where I am and liking what I see,

1541
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: and it just is not an everyday thing. I'm constantly

1542
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: frustrated sal but like it's just so much about like

1543
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: not find it's like not finding the validation outside. I mean,

1544
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: it's just so basic. Again, but like I don't know.

1545
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,640
Speaker 1: I went to fulsome in San Francisco this year and

1546
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: I found that, like again, it was a sense of

1547
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: like people just walking around all body types, all shapes

1548
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: and sizes, and it just didn't get the sense that

1549
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: anyone was there being like I want everyone to look

1550
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: at me. Everyone was there being like this is I am.

1551
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I am loving myself right now in a way that

1552
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: I just felt really positive. And I think, you, well,

1553
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: the thing is I mean like obviously here and here's

1554
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: the thing. It's like, well, thank you for saying that.

1555
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: But it's like I just you are the person that's

1556
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: in your body. And so like the other day, I

1557
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: tweeted out like and I ended up deleting it because

1558
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: somebody didn't like it, and I kind of like, he says,

1559
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to have tweeted this. I said, I

1560
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: actually kind of liked that my body is turning into pudding.

1561
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: And somebody, somebody tweeted at me and said it's annoying

1562
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: when skinny people say this, And I tweeted back, I

1563
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from. I also think it's annoying

1564
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: when people publicly police people's thoughts on their own body.

1565
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: But like, I think we can agree that it's tough

1566
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: to be happy no matter what. Right. Well, and I said,

1567
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 1: we'll see if you want follow me. He didn't. He said,

1568
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 1: L O L sure. I just think that you shouldn't

1569
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: understand that there are people out there who work really

1570
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: hard and for a long time for something that you

1571
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: have like happily stumbled into, he said. And I think

1572
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 1: it's this thing. Well, but I understand where he's coming from.

1573
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: And this is what I mean to say, is it's

1574
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: like I am obviously aware of the fact that I'm

1575
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: privileged physically. I have always had a good metabolism. It's

1576
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: just like I I like I'm thin, like I just am,

1577
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: but like when your body starts to change, you notice it,

1578
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: and so it's just And also like in the gay community,

1579
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: when there's a lot of people that are ripped and

1580
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people like I want to when

1581
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: I went to l A, I felt invisible. Guys sometimes

1582
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: will will like reach out to me, and I'm obsessed

1583
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: with the fact that, like, if they have a better

1584
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: body than me, I absolutely cannot go on a day

1585
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: with them. I'm it's just people better bodies invisibility is all,

1586
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: is the Asian narrative. And I'm also aware of that,

1587
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, I'm aware of the

1588
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: fact that, like, I don't know, it's crazy for for

1589
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: someone like me to complain, But I don't know. I

1590
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the thing is, like everybody's on their

1591
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: own fucking journey and like is allowed to fee be

1592
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: in their feelings and ever in whatever way they want.

1593
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't quite understand what that person

1594
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: saying that to you, like what they thought they were accomplishing,

1595
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: because it's not like you have this huge platform that

1596
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: you are like trying to uh set your journey on

1597
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: the same level as their's, or saying that, like you're

1598
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: allowed to feel how you are. Like I feel bad

1599
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: about my body sometimes too, and I look insanely good.

1600
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: So it is just like I'm and I'm allowed that

1601
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to feel the way I feel about it.

1602
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 1: You know what I feel about it? I I totally agree,

1603
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: and I feel like you know. The reason I took

1604
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: it down is because I was like, you know, I

1605
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: don't need to have tweeted this, you know, And I

1606
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: constantly that I'm a big proponent of separate your thoughts

1607
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: into what you need to say and what you what

1608
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: you want to say, you know what I mean, And

1609
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: I didn't need to say that, and so whatever, I think,

1610
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 1: it's always just a good thing as long as it's

1611
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: as long as you're emotionally sort of bouncing back from

1612
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: a moment like this where you're talking about failures openly,

1613
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about in securities openly, long as you're not

1614
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: keeping it in suspension where you're like, I shouldn't be

1615
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: reacting this way, or it should be reacting this way

1616
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: more extremely, where you're literally just like like pulling a

1617
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: tense line on it and you're not letting it. You're

1618
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: not giving it any slack to just have its own

1619
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: weight whatever. Time speaking very abstractually, but like I don't know,

1620
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: just like talk about it, but also like, um, feel

1621
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: your own feel your own sort of feet in that moment.

1622
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's like just be present with like how

1623
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: you're feeling. That's the thing. It's not like you're one

1624
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: of these people who like relishes. And I think there

1625
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: was a real there was a long moment and I

1626
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: hate to be a fucking nana about it, but there

1627
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: was a long time in my comedy where I leveraged

1628
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: my lack of steam about myself, um as a comedic

1629
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 1: sort of like wedge for and it did not make

1630
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: me feel good and like it was also dishonest, and

1631
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: it was because it's like, I, oh, I always looked fine,

1632
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, and like to leverage like my negativity about

1633
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: my own body, and the audience never at never a worthwhile.

1634
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: It's like the audience never is loving it. Yeah, you

1635
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: did one tweet, you know, you didn't make it your brand.

1636
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: And I think for a long time, especially my early

1637
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 1: years in New York, I really did make my the

1638
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: way I felt about myself negatively, feeling ugly like a

1639
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: big part of my brand, you know. And that and

1640
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: now I've flipped, and I will say, though, this is

1641
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: this is a different side of the frustration for me,

1642
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: is that, um, I appreciate when people are like, oh,

1643
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: you're hot, like I and I get it, and I

1644
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: post the thirst traps. I like, I want that validation

1645
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: because I do work very hard on this part. It's

1646
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: the my body is really the only fucking thing I

1647
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: can control in my life right now, and that is like,

1648
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: so I focus a lot on it. I do put

1649
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: chicken breasts in a blender and drink it with two

1650
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: quarts of water. Yes, um, it's disgusting, but it works.

1651
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: And the thing is is like, but then I do

1652
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: feel this sense of responsibility because like I have made

1653
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: it my mission to be like Asian men are hot,

1654
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: and like I am hot, and like owning that and

1655
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: being at the forefront and changing the narrative around the

1656
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: way we view Asian men engage and men specifically. But

1657
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: now I do feel like I'm moving into territory where

1658
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, funk. Now I can't talk about um

1659
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: feeling ugly or feeling insecure about that, because I feel

1660
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: like I have to be I've always done the other way.

1661
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: I have to like you know, can't bring a whole

1662
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: other group of people into into that space with you

1663
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: because and this is my thing, like half of the

1664
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: like like most of those people don't even know what

1665
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: you're going through, Like they don't even know, they don't

1666
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: even give a ship. I don't know right, like, I whatever, Okay,

1667
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: I would just openly say this. I was thinking very

1668
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: deeply what I was screen testing for SNL. I was like,

1669
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I have to, like do Asian people proud. I have

1670
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 1: to I'm doing this for this whole group of people.

1671
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: And my therapist was like, that is crazy, because there's

1672
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: no way that you're going to get through this if

1673
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,480
Speaker 1: you're going to saddle yourself with that responsibility, that responsibility

1674
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: that it's all in vented. Do not bring those people

1675
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: into the room with you as you're writing, as you're preparing,

1676
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: as you're auditioning. Do not do that. That will crush

1677
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: you and it's not real and so it is. But

1678
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: it's such a fine line, though, isn't it because of

1679
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: representation manners like instantly saying that, And so I do

1680
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: feel like this pressure to be, you know, uh, to

1681
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: be I have to be careful about like the way

1682
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: I present myself now if I want to continue to

1683
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: be you know, but I don't want to. I agree,

1684
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: like I don't want to bring those people into the room,

1685
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, because I want to feel bad, and I

1686
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: like sometimes want to be in my feelings about and

1687
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I want to tweet ship like um, I literally have

1688
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: been to my dermatologist in New York twice this week

1689
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: and I've been diagnosed with rosatia. And that is a

1690
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: hard pill for me to swallow, and someone who's always

1691
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: struggled with my skin, and that is like, that's something

1692
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I can't control. And it's like I want to talk

1693
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: about that, I want to be like I feel like shit.

1694
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: And then I have this like little voice now in

1695
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: the back of my brain where it's like, no, you've

1696
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: created this character for yourself online through social media that

1697
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: it is like an unwavering source of confidence within this

1698
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 1: the toxic the toxicity of the gay community, and so

1699
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: you have to be tweet about yours. You have to

1700
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: bitch tweet about your rozation. Um. So it is, it's

1701
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: just like weird, and we are in this weird place

1702
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: with representation where I feel like we're getting to the

1703
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: point where like there's you and there's me, and there's

1704
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot of other gay Asian men that are like

1705
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: coming up and other gay people. I think gay men

1706
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: in general are like sort of like stepping forward and

1707
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: being there and and so like there's plenty of us.

1708
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: It's no longer We're no longer in a place where

1709
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: there's just some one and we're like pulling up the

1710
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: ladder after us after someone's else's success. But it does

1711
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: feel like there we're still in a place where like

1712
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: people are going to like look at every little move

1713
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: we make and try and extrapolate and pathologize our community

1714
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: for that. Like every time I say something, I hate

1715
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 1: it when people are like, oh, gay gay guys be

1716
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: like this, you know, in response to something, and it's like, no,

1717
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 1: that's just me, Like I I want to be seen

1718
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: as an individual, and it's just it's frustrating. I mean,

1719
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's only gonna get worse for us,

1720
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: by the way, I know what I'm thinking, right, Like

1721
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: we like I don't know, maybe I'm thinking the three

1722
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: of us will listen back to this episode like two

1723
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: years from now and be like, oh my goodness, l

1724
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: O l at us being like at this snapshot in

1725
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: time where it's like who knows, like what word will

1726
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: be at in like two years, you know, Like I

1727
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: just that's the nice thing and the terrible thing about

1728
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: our little racket is that, like we don't know what

1729
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: things will look like short term, long term is what

1730
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: I meant. But like I don't know. It's like, don't

1731
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: saddle yourself with that, though. You ask the question, like

1732
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: what are you trying to get out of like this

1733
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: trip up state or whatever, or like whatever it is

1734
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: that they're trying to be happy, Like I guess I'm

1735
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: just trying to do any little thing to open myself

1736
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: up to just like really being excited about myself again,

1737
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because there was there was

1738
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: so much time in my twenties where I was like

1739
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: so excited about myself and I was a big fan myself,

1740
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I think that now

1741
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just another phase and I really think,

1742
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: you know, say what you want about like astrology thing

1743
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 1: like the return to Saturn, like people would talk about

1744
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: it and they'd warned me about it, like oh is

1745
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna come, and like you're gonna it was crazy because

1746
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: the moment like that, the corner turned on my twenty

1747
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: eight year it was like, oh there they go, there

1748
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: go the good times, and it was just like there's

1749
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: just been this like nine or ten months block where

1750
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I opened my eyes and I'm like, fuck, Like I

1751
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd call myself depressed, but I would

1752
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 1: call myself like baseline unhappier than I have been in

1753
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: a long time, and it's just like so yeah, I

1754
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: mean I I'm not trying to buy into the whole like, oh,

1755
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: do this hallucinogenic and it changes your life, but it

1756
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: seems to have a positive effect on a lot of

1757
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: people I care about, So I wanted to try it.

1758
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I will say it was I loved it. I loved

1759
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: it because it was like going it was like an

1760
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 1: amusing park in my brain. I said that doing acid

1761
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 1: was like it was the same experience of watching Mother. Um,

1762
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, I love Mother PS. But I but like

1763
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: the like the latter half of Mother where she's like

1764
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: walking through the house and it's like all chaotic, and

1765
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: that seems like very negative, but like in a very

1766
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: positive where every corner you turn there was like another

1767
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: adventure to have. But I didn't mentally have anything. I

1768
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: will I will say this, and Henry kurpers, if you're listening,

1769
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: I fucking love you. Um. But there would be moments

1770
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: where Henry where I'd be like, I just feel like

1771
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm outside of time right now, and then Henry would

1772
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: whisper He'd be like, that's because time is there and

1773
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, no, I will not fall for

1774
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 1: I was like, um, yeah, I think I'm too far gone, Henry,

1775
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: there you go. Um I. But the one thing I'll

1776
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: say about acid is when I would go into the

1777
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: house alone and when it did feel like like crazy

1778
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: and it was it did feel like mother, I haven't

1779
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: seen it, but I would go. But the nice thing

1780
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 1: was going to the bathroom and looking at myself in

1781
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: the mirror and thinking, oh, cool, like I'm happy with this.

1782
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: That was like the big takeaway was that I was like,

1783
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I felt good about myself. And walking walking down the

1784
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: boardwalks and the pines is always a herring experience for

1785
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: your self confidence because you're seeing like chilldled guy after

1786
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: chilled guy didn't even didn't even go this year because

1787
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle it, and it's and I understand that.

1788
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: But while I was tripping, did not give a shit

1789
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: about anyone else. It was just about our unit walking

1790
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 1: down to the dock to watch the sunset, walking back together,

1791
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: and that was enough tuning out everyone else because they

1792
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: didn't matter because because who cares, I don't know these

1793
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: people and so, and that was sort of a nice

1794
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: that was my little nice mental um relief. So anyway, Wow,

1795
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I love that we had this combo spiritual hunting. It's

1796
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: important to talk. God. I'm sitting here and I'm just like,

1797
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. It was very funny, but you always,

1798
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, suck you other full episodes. We're very funny.

1799
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: We're very funny talking about Madam. There you go. But

1800
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: we are three dimensional sometimes even before dimensional people even

1801
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: fourth dimension is time, and if you like us, you

1802
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: have to like all of us. Kansas is bad Kansas. God,

1803
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's time. I actually

1804
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: forgotten to literally what. They hit the record button. Then

1805
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: I had to do this, and so I have to

1806
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: give myself a little time to think. Matt and I

1807
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: will go first. I just want to say one thing though,

1808
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: um I don't think so. Honey Live is coming on

1809
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: November thirty to the Bellhouse and also December five to

1810
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the Regents in Los Angeles. I'm very excited about that.

1811
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I may or may not have Joost. We're gonna find

1812
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: out it's about. I think it's pretty much kind. Well,

1813
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm very much happy. I'm going to send an email

1814
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: after this podcast. I ever, we're done here and I

1815
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: wanted to be you because literally who else would it be?

1816
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: And I mean there's you know what, there's plenty time

1817
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: some people can reach out to actually actually would have

1818
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I would I'm thinking now and there's like okay, okay, um.

1819
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 1: But also um November, we're doing a Queers Live at

1820
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Joe's Pub, which is the last culture Resta's hosts, an

1821
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: event which is not a direct recreation of, but inspired

1822
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: by Diva's Live. So those are some live shows that

1823
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: are coming up you guys. I hope to see you there.

1824
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: Love that. Um. Okay that Rogers do you have? I

1825
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: don't think so. Many think I do have, and I

1826
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Roger, don't

1827
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts and now

1828
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People who ask me to

1829
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: help you with your Halloween costume, fuck you? Why are

1830
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: you putting emotional labor on me? And also it's just like,

1831
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, now you're gonna make me try to

1832
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 1: come up with a clever thing for you. It's like

1833
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: it's like pop quiz. It's it's like emotional and like

1834
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: intellectual work. Because Halloween costumes in this day is day

1835
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: and age, you have to be so many things hot, funny,

1836
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: like subversive or else your basic like halloween costume is

1837
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot and bitch, I haven't figured out my own seconds,

1838
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: So why do I have to like now invest energy

1839
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: and time and to your costume? And it's everyone does this?

1840
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: What should I be from Halloween? And you don't even

1841
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: give me a direction that you want to go in.

1842
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: It's like you, guys, it's like, how are you feeling? Like?

1843
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: Do you want to becomfortable? Do you want to be

1844
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: a hot? Like? How are you feeling right now about

1845
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 1: the way to present yourself? Like and honestly, this is

1846
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: really about me not knowing what I want to be

1847
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: for Halloween. It's like I haven't even thought about it.

1848
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: It's like, give me time to think about me, then

1849
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 1: let me think about you a bit. I don't think

1850
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: so on that's one minute. I wow, what a gorgeously felt.

1851
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nico. You've asked me several times what I

1852
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: think you should be for Halloween? And he asked me

1853
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: about this girl. That's the most nic thing I've ever heard. No,

1854
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: he's the best. It's just like I I don't know what.

1855
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm a any for Halloween. And he sent me a

1856
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 1: picture of what I thought was a good costumer and

1857
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: then he said that you said he absolutely could not

1858
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: be thought it was funny. That's what I'm saying. It's like,

1859
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: And I was like, a house is like a creepy house.

1860
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. It was like some sort of house.

1861
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 1: He's like sometimes too smart for me. I'm like the

1862
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: references that he pulls out. I'm just like, he's extremely

1863
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 1: a sellegial person. And it's just like and he's like,

1864
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: but also I'll be shirtless. And I was like, I

1865
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: don't get this. I can't see this. And I was

1866
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: just like, and here's the thing which you just did,

1867
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: which is then I give my idea and people say no,

1868
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: that's horrible, and it's like, well, bitch, I thought it

1869
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: was good. And also you asked me, I'm not the

1870
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: right person. I hate Halloween. I famous Halloween. I barely

1871
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: ever come up with a costume. I was like a

1872
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: slutty minion for like five years running. I love. See.

1873
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: The thing is I always think of something great like

1874
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 1: the day of but I'm not ready to think about it.

1875
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 1: We had I'm going as leather jughead this year. Oh

1876
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: that's that's you. Last year, me and Bowen were um

1877
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: uh Celeste and I Patronada from that good. That was

1878
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: good And I had like long sleeve shirt and I

1879
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: was just like, really, I had a secret all night. Yeah.

1880
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: But my thing is, yeah, once everyone, it's only once

1881
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: every three or four years that I come up with

1882
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: something solid and the rest. And like, I have nothing

1883
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: this year, and I don't even know what I'm doing.

1884
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:13,879
Speaker 1: I might be a slut this year. Cool a sailor.

1885
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: That's that's a direction. That's a start, I know. But

1886
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: also then I'm just like, now my basic but yeah,

1887
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 1: it is who cares? Fucking who cares? I'm gonna come

1888
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: up with a good costume. I just like you guys.

1889
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 1: I And also I think this will come out on

1890
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: November seven, so it'll Halloween will already have come and gone.

1891
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: So I guess you can go to my Instagram or whatever.

1892
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: I'll have trotted myself around and tell me if it

1893
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: was a good costume or not. Great love that anyway, okay,

1894
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of I don't think so honey,

1895
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: that I could have done tonight, one of which is

1896
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,879
Speaker 1: the picture that Bone posted of himself smoking a cigarette

1897
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 1: shot by Alex Shaefer um directly inspired. It was directly

1898
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: inspired from this anime screenshot of this guy post Coitas

1899
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: pink bed sheets smoking a cigarette. Was like, I'm going

1900
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: to recreate that, so um blame that. Okay, my turn. Yeah,

1901
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 1: this is when he's not I don't think so, honey,

1902
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1903
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Scorpio shaming. Scorpio shaming is hack Scorpio seasons coming up.

1904
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 1: Guess who's a scorpio? Yeah me, Guess who doesn't believe

1905
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: in fucking astrology? Me, bitch? Okay, read to Carl Sagan book.

1906
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Because the alignment of stars hundreds of light years away

1907
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 1: and their relative positioning to the Sun and Moon has

1908
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,799
Speaker 1: no bearing on your personality traits or that your twenty

1909
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: eight year is a hard one. Okay, Sometimes it so

1910
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: happens that we have hard years. And and Matt, I'm

1911
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: sorry that that it coincided with this pseudoscience that is

1912
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 1: being pushed on my poor unsuspecting friends, who who didn't

1913
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: have a science education, who only succeeded in writing and

1914
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 1: humanities on I am here to tell all of you

1915
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: to free everyone of the shackles of arology. It's bull ship,

1916
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: it's pseudoscience, it's harmful. It's comes from the same place

1917
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,440
Speaker 1: as people touting you know, it's it's it's it's astrology,

1918
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: as Donald Trump saying fake news at CNN. It's the

1919
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: same thing. It's false information being peddled for personal games.

1920
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,919
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I said that it's a bizarre

1921
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: thing to say, but it was just a coincidence, and

1922
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: that a return to Saturn quote unquote happened. I didn't

1923
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: even get I mostly just shot on astrology. But people

1924
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: who scorpio shame who are like when I when I

1925
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 1: tell everyone I'm a Scorpio, when they asked me what

1926
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: my sign is, because I will never voluntarily offer that information,

1927
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:36,560
Speaker 1: they go, oh, And I'm just like, please spare me

1928
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: of this fucking shock that you that you have misplaced.

1929
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 1: You should you should. I found myself asking someone what

1930
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: their sign was recently, and I wanted to run into

1931
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: the walls hard. I was like, I'm so sorry. I

1932
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: have to have something right now. I'm a double Pisces

1933
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,720
Speaker 1: and the best sex had has been with Scorpios. There

1934
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: you go, I mean, But also SCIOs and Pisces is

1935
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 1: a good thing. That's why I mean also, that's believe break.

1936
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 1: We'd break the internet if we released not only fans

1937
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, the Lost culture stas porn are slash. Yes,

1938
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: it would be a It would be a recreation of

1939
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: the scene from Members of a Geisha where she sticks

1940
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: her fingers in the trainees but Vagina to see if

1941
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: she's wet. And I would be that character and I

1942
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: would stick it, thank you, and he would be and

1943
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: he'd be the wettest and you know, and I'd be like, oh,

1944
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: and and we will not pick later trying to tell

1945
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 1: you will not PIXI late. No, I'm going to fucking

1946
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: Tokyo this year, and I am so excited for New

1947
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,560
Speaker 1: Year's and I am so excited to be in a

1948
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: place I've never been, Asia, and so I've never I've

1949
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: never experienced what it's like to be white. Um, and

1950
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I cannot wait to sit in like

1951
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of an intersection. And yeah, and you

1952
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: will be their king. You just go to the eagle,

1953
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 1: they will flock to you. Okay, We'll have to talk

1954
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 1: off Kim about this, because I'm we are we are

1955
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: of course on camera as we're film see us on Twitch.

1956
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I've never I've ever done gainit like p in in

1957
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Asia anywhere because with my family and they would be like,

1958
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Um, but I'm sure you would, Okay,

1959
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: I do very well. So I thought of I thought

1960
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: of the one that's going to be the front runners though,

1961
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: just so everyone is a where was one was going

1962
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: to be I don't think so, honey, people who are

1963
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: late to their own podcast, um, And then the other

1964
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 1: one was going to be I don't think so, honey.

1965
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 1: An actual comedian who told us that or told me that. Um,

1966
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: I the that real comedians don't post shirtless picks of

1967
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: themselves on there and who then is an outrageous thing

1968
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 1: to say? Of course it was a straight comic and

1969
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:53,799
Speaker 1: it's like, so, I'm not conpain names. Well, the trager

1970
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: was here, she named names. That's fair. He will never

1971
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: hear is the same moral comment And it was actually said.

1972
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 1: He didn't say it to me, but it was a

1973
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 1: general comment about gay men and our Instagram presences and

1974
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 1: comedians and it's like, listen, here's the thing. I love Sam.

1975
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:08,799
Speaker 1: He's one of the best joke writers in the industry.

1976
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 1: Right now. And but the fact is is, I'm sorry,

1977
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 1: but gay men and straight women do not get laid

1978
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: for our fucking talent in the comedy industry. So I'm sorry.

1979
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I have to work for the fucking dick that I pull. Okay,

1980
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: um so, but now I'm going to do the real

1981
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, because I don't think so, honey,

1982
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Blue Planet

1983
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: to featuring all these fucking birds on the episode that

1984
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I watched in my hotel room the other night. I

1985
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:41,679
Speaker 1: am tuning into Blue Planets to see creatures from the sea, Honey.

1986
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I want to see creatures that are living in the

1987
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: depths of the ocean. I want to see a fish

1988
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: that can scream. Okay, I want to see all these

1989
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: creatures that science is just not discovering, because susan the

1990
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 1: most unexplored part of our planet. And you're telling me

1991
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: that I'm tuning in and I'm seeing Blue Planet all

1992
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: these fucking birds that are flying around it because they

1993
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,719
Speaker 1: live on an island that is adjacent to the sea

1994
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 1: and are sometimes eaten by fish. That is not an

1995
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: interesting storyline for me. I can go outside in New

1996
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: York City and look out the window. If I want

1997
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: to sucking bird like a pigeon, that is clearly the

1998
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: product of incests. No, sweet, I do not want to

1999
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: see birds on blue plane. That is like I can't

2000
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: do watching a movie about the Great Wall of China

2001
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: starring Matt Damon. Okay, minute, very good. I will make

2002
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: a definitive statement right now. Oh my god, Joel can

2003
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 1: booster the single best. I don't think your hands down

2004
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: best best track record, best best based, best staff. You

2005
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: feel this way, I do Joel is the best. Think

2006
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: about think about what he's brought. I think he's excellent.

2007
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: I think he's he's been the most consistent. He will

2008
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: give you the full spect, the full range of stuff.

2009
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: It's it can be personal, it can be professional, or

2010
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 1: whatever can be about some random ass thing like blue planets. Here.

2011
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 1: He also does do it at the desired cadence. Yes,

2012
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: with setups, with punchlines, everything you could ever want. Animal

2013
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 1: and that's the speed at which we mode. I will

2014
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: say my my new biggest pet people. But I don't

2015
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: think so, honey is previously, of course, it was not

2016
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: doing culture, not doing culture. My new one is is

2017
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: I do think that there is something intrinsic, like there's

2018
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: something so important about the repetition of honey, honey, The

2019
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: honeys and the are the equivalent of sweet, sweetie, darling, darlings.

2020
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: It is, it is contessa. Sometimes when people don't even

2021
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: say the honey in the first when I say, I

2022
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: don't think so this, I'm just like, you don't really

2023
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,560
Speaker 1: get it misunderstood these I will say this, Max Sylvesti

2024
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: marched his straight as here a couple of weeks ago,

2025
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: and fucking nail it was a really great one. But

2026
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: I'll say this, and Max, I'm going to see you

2027
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and I'll tell this to your fucking face.

2028
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: Cute face. It's a cute face. I don't think they

2029
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 1: should be written down. I don't think they should be

2030
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 1: pre written. I don't think you should be reading from

2031
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: a script, sweet tea. You know that's that's interesting because

2032
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: we've never done that. Never once you're you're sometimes at

2033
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: the expense of the I don't think so honey. I

2034
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: will say that you can't have written it, you can't

2035
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,759
Speaker 1: have written it, or yeah, just it removes well, actually,

2036
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: no reading it off a phone or off a piece

2037
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,360
Speaker 1: of paper, removes polished. I almost don't think it should

2038
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 1: even be rehearsed. I think it should come from the

2039
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 1: gut and the heart and the mind and the body

2040
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 1: and the soul and the spirit and the whimsy, hair,

2041
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: body face and the hair and the body and the face.

2042
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: I want everyone to read my interview with Alissa Edwards. Yes,

2043
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: it's a very good Matt calls calls her out on

2044
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: other queens, saying that she's a diva and hold on

2045
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: one second, but sut the gig and deliverwards every single time.

2046
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: But yes I do. And as to someone who will

2047
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: call me on profession, on a dark side deepa, I

2048
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: am not a dark side of diva? Am I a diva? Yes?

2049
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a dark side of diva? And I don't

2050
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't have a writer like the rest of these girls.

2051
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't need fruits, grapes, grapes, she says, She says candies.

2052
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't need or grapes or fruits in my dressing room. Honey,

2053
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't have these demands. Wait, did I say really quickly,

2054
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I my reps had created a

2055
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: rider for me. I did not did not ask me

2056
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:29,839
Speaker 1: before my input and I went I did this college recently,

2057
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 1: and I walked into this like classroom that they had

2058
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: made into a makeshift green room for me, and there

2059
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: were two just free standing mirrors in there and I

2060
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's cool um and like a fruit

2061
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: plate and I was like, okay, I'll eat this. And

2062
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 1: then after the show, I saw these two boys pick

2063
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: up the mirrors and they had to walk them across

2064
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: campus and I was like, wait, what's going on. I

2065
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: was like, why did you bring these in here? And

2066
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 1: they were like, well, it saysn't your writer that you

2067
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: need two mirrors? And I was like, what what a monster, Spazza.

2068
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: They have created a monster, like I need two mirrors.

2069
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: I need to see myself from both angles. Oh my god,

2070
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: we have to tell Joe that we need four mirrors.

2071
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: Four mirrors until you might have to just own it.

2072
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: And this is a moment where you have to become

2073
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: Ali red with red hair, with red hair? What today? Wow?

2074
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I think this episode transformative and complete and full honey

2075
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: and had everything and we had like we had some

2076
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: real ship. We got real I love that. I hope

2077
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 1: people liked it. I demanded and we got one of

2078
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: the best time things and yes, uh, come for me.

2079
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Don't fuck you? Actually, no, don't at me for declaratively

2080
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 1: saying that Joel Kimbostra is the I'm including, I'm including

2081
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: myself in this. I mean, I don't think we're We're

2082
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: not the best, clearly, but Joel is a pre eminent mind,

2083
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 1: a pre eminent I don't think at my full capability.

2084
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: I think when you take everyone into account, I think

2085
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:57,679
Speaker 1: I could score three. I don't think so, honey, tests.

2086
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 1: I did not do well at the EVAs though I'm

2087
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: not a music person, and that was a famously begged,

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Speaker 1: famously begged. But because it was so bad, you were

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Speaker 1: not the only We're not the only one. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's I think that was the right call. That

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Speaker 1: one's for us. Give you everything that works for us.

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Speaker 1: You should have come to Montreal. Did I fully jump

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Speaker 1: into the splits? Yes? Did I injure my knee? Does

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Speaker 1: it still pain me to this day? Is it recorded? Yes? Doctor,

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Speaker 1: I have Well, I'm seeing a physical therapist right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're physical therapist. I'm seeing a physical therapist named Amanda,

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Speaker 1: who is a bisexual woman from Ohio. I love her.

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Speaker 1: She's powerful, um dynamic and powerful. I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: say my other I don't think so honey was going

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Speaker 1: to be I don't think so honey dumping me. I'll

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Speaker 1: say that for another time. I actually have a serioues

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Speaker 1: of I don't think honey. I'm really excited about including

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Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Whe people sound the phone, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's me, stay your name, honey. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: do that any more. We hey, and then you just

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Speaker 1: and you're off to the races. Well, this is about

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Speaker 1: to coggins the longest. I don't think I'm as ever,

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Speaker 1: so every time I come, it's gotten a little bit

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Speaker 1: longer than love that. I always planned for it too.

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Speaker 1: I say, next time, we're going two hours. We did

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Speaker 1: blog out two hours for us. Really, why please check

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Speaker 1: out Club November nine at the Bell House. Is it

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Speaker 1: ten p m Um, Patty Harrison, Karen she Ronnie Chang,

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Speaker 1: maybe Bow and Yang if the show goes well that week,

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Speaker 1: Um oh that's why you're not. Yeah, he's he's booked.

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Speaker 1: But like you might just see a video of it

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Speaker 1: might have to be me. It might have to be

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Speaker 1: lots of fun, lots of fun games too, where you've

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Speaker 1: got a longer slot than we did in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: So if you saw it in San Francisco, it's a

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Speaker 1: different show. It's November seven, because I have a Showmber seven,

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Speaker 1: Straight pageants, straight pageant Um watches multiple stratement and compete

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Speaker 1: for each for the title of Queen of the Strange. Um. Well, Joel,

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Speaker 1: we love you, one of the one of the best,

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Speaker 1: the best made. Um. Okay, let's end in a song

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Speaker 1: I cast to me, you keep keeping me from what

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Speaker 1: I was boss to me? What did you do? Bye it.

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