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Speaker 1: Your tune to About Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good Evening, Steeler Nation, Back on the drive here on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network, West Shooler Matt Williamson. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to continue to say good evening and hour number two

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Speaker 2: because in the next few weeks, Matt, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be dark by this five o'clock point anyways, and it

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Speaker 2: really will walking out.

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Speaker 3: Of here at six when it's dark, it's a little miserable,

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Speaker 3: a little miserable. Yah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am liking now starting my days a little

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Speaker 2: bit slower in this new time slot.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: In the past, like I would drop my kids off

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Speaker 2: a daycare and I'd be rushing in here to get

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Speaker 2: ready for our morning show in the locker room and

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Speaker 2: Steelers Blitz and all those things. Now I got some

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Speaker 2: more time in the mornings, which isn't the worst thing

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Speaker 2: ever to kind of take my time and prep the

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Speaker 2: show and you know, get stuff done whatever that I

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Speaker 2: need to get done. But yeah, as soon as it's

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Speaker 2: dark at five o'clock, that is going to be depressing

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Speaker 2: driving home in the darkness every single night. But we

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Speaker 2: still do have a little a few weeks tow week.

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Speaker 3: My first hour or two is research time. I go

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Speaker 3: to all my sits. I started a lot of the

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Speaker 3: stat packet ends up in that guy in Oh I

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Speaker 3: like that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah see, I thought you did that like exclusively in

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Speaker 3: Well, then it also happens after ten pm too.

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Speaker 2: I can always tell. I can always tell all the

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Speaker 2: night we go out and the tweets. That's how I

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Speaker 2: used to tell, was the tweets. But you know, sometimes

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Speaker 2: at like twelve thirty, like a little bit after midnight,

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Speaker 2: I'll get a text from you about something.

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Speaker 3: Get an email, or.

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Speaker 2: I'll wake up in the morning and I'll have a

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Speaker 2: text from you that you send it to my email.

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Speaker 2: You sent me at one fifteen am. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: Matt was in his bag last night. It was up late.

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Speaker 2: He was doing his research.

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Speaker 3: After Thursday football, I'll probably do something, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, yep, And that's actually to after.

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Speaker 3: Thursday football, I started putting.

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Speaker 2: Next week's past, start putting on the am right.

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Speaker 3: I'll start looking Patriots stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, he is in the groove. Don't stop him.

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Speaker 2: He's on a roll at much much much like Animal

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Speaker 2: House and Matt. And with that I want to go

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Speaker 2: back to something that stuck out to me that you

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Speaker 2: sent last night in your Seattle Seahawks edition of Matt's Stats.

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Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about the Steelers in twelve and

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Speaker 2: thirteen personnel usage, multiple tight end sets. How difficult that

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Speaker 2: could be for teams to defend this year when you

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Speaker 2: have Pat Fryermouth and his skill set, John new Smith

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Speaker 2: and his skill set. Seattle defense only faced twelve personnel

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Speaker 2: season sixteen point seven percent of the time, fourth lowest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the whole year.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers last week were in twelve personnel nearly fifty

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Speaker 2: is a new season, new personnel, like we just we

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot overlap. I mean, only one game

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Speaker 2: But is how much is that something that could really

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Speaker 3: Very little of it last week because the Niners are

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Speaker 3: Kittle got hurt and they still allowed two touchdowns to

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Speaker 3: tight ends. Last year, Kittle caught one and then the

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Speaker 2: Last week we saw Pat Fryermuth have a couple big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is a lot of twelve personnel and how the

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Speaker 3: I think so. And maybe even more thirteen than we saw. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm still looking for today we sit here, but yesterday's

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Speaker 3: I was chatting with Rob King earlier. He thinks that

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Speaker 3: you are as probably not going to play. But why

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Speaker 3: I bring him up is he's a combined freak early

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Speaker 3: handle the John News well it's projected to. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's a rookie, so who knows what he can do.

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Speaker 3: But I like his chances against Darnell Jean, who Friarmouth

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Speaker 3: better than what Seattle had last year. You know, I

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Speaker 3: think Seattle recognized these teams are so smart. I mean

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Speaker 3: we saw very little twelve last year. Well we're probably

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Speaker 3: gonna see a lot because we're not accomplished against it yet,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So get used to it.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a very good point. I mean, all

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Speaker 2: you know, the NFL teams, they've got these these numbers

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Speaker 2: about just finding that one little crease or one little

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Speaker 3: Big Godfather thing, And I'll bring this up all the time, Godfather,

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Speaker 3: learn learn to think. Is those around you think? So

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Speaker 3: gold rule of life. But anyway, there's so many things.

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Speaker 2: To learn from godf You're sure that wasn't the Rolling Stones.

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Speaker 3: So I was sitting here thinking, well, when you mentioned

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Speaker 3: then I'm sitting here thinking the only team that played

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Speaker 3: a tight end. Like all this stuff adds up, you know, Yeah, again,

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Speaker 3: think is those around you think?

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Speaker 2: And as you and I know, the league is cyclical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how are they going to attack us?

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Speaker 2: Offense is spread it out, Defenses go more Nickel and

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Speaker 2: start pounding the football, playing with tight ends in middle

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Speaker 3: Line of screen. Paye Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley exactly right,

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Speaker 3: and then you go to Super Bowls and win a

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Speaker 2: You know, right, And you know, nobody wanted to pay

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Speaker 3: But no, I would expect heavier. I don't think the

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Speaker 3: don't think that they have a pretty deep secondary. Their

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Speaker 3: corners aren't household names. I don't think that you're going

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Speaker 3: dime a ton. I think you're going to see a

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Speaker 3: lot of tight ends on the field. To your original question,

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Speaker 3: and maybe more Washington than we saw. I think they

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Speaker 2: A little lighter than I thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't realize this till last night. I

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Speaker 3: did a night show with Tom and Tim Bens, and

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Speaker 3: I think it was Ben's that mentioned that at one

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Speaker 3: point Washington kind of limped off, and the announcers never

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Speaker 3: mentioned it. So I wonder if there was something during

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Speaker 3: can find the spot, But there was something that he'd

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Speaker 3: looked tight or whatever. But my point was, I bet

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Speaker 3: would say, probably should have used Washington to hire more snaps,

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Speaker 2: You know, makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 3: And now they make that mistake twice.

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Speaker 2: Kind of sticking with that and some tendency stuff there.

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Speaker 2: Week one one Week one data point, but still eighty

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Speaker 2: zone runs, highest in the NFL. Yeah, we know that

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Speaker 2: that's the ultimate goal of the Arthur Smith offense. Is

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Speaker 2: this this zone run scheme, outside zone runs in particular.

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Speaker 2: We talked a ton about that when they drafted Caleb Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Right, much better fit than Nausey for that scheme.

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Speaker 2: But do you think that maybe in.

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Speaker 3: The preseason runs were like all zone which they've won practice.

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Speaker 3: They just want practice and they don't care if they

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Speaker 3: know they're all look for the results for practice.

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Speaker 2: Now. We're looking for results now, obviously, and the highest

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Speaker 2: of the time in week one? What's that look like

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Speaker 2: in week two? Is there some Okay? Obviously this is

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Speaker 2: what we're trying to build towards, but it's not working

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Speaker 2: the way we need it to right now. Where do

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Speaker 3: So I've really mixed feelings about this, and frankly, it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be my first question. I asked Merrill Hodge when

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Speaker 3: we do our night show tonight, because run get runs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a running back any smart. So this

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Speaker 2: Wow, Hey, we got nothing with me. We got nothing

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Speaker 2: but time Matthew.

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Speaker 3: I thought, say we wanted about Matt Canada wasn't good.

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Speaker 3: We know the results he got. Let go. That's uncharacteristic

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Speaker 3: of an in season move. Nobody was thrilled with that era.

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Speaker 3: Coordinating wise, I think that's fair at this point. Yes, However,

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Speaker 3: as that last season went on, their man blocking stuff

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Speaker 3: that's a while back, they weaponize some of their athletic

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Speaker 3: linemen pulling them. Rodert Jones in particular, I thought was

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Speaker 3: really good at it. Designed movement from your lineman as

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Speaker 3: opposed to zone blocking, where it's like synchronized swimming. For hippos,

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Speaker 3: it's like five of them all moving is one, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. And frankly, that takes more time

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Speaker 3: than man blocking time. Yeah, I mean, if Wolf was

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Speaker 2: He said. He used to talk about this all the time.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, I need a lot of reps with the

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Speaker 3: guy to my right and left to know. It's not

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Speaker 3: synchronized swimming. He's not easy, let alone if you're three

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Speaker 3: or thirty pound hippo.

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Speaker 2: You know. And Wolf used to have six preseason games

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Speaker 2: where they would drill that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean the Shanahan Terrell Davis led here comes outside

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Speaker 2: Thursday evening, Matt, we do want to talk a little

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Speaker 2: I do too, you know, and it a lot of time.

438
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Speaker 2: The kind of parameters around it are just like we

439
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: I know, we've discussed the Tyler Linderbaum fifth year, right,

440
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: it's like a it's like elite tackle money that you're

441
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: gonna have to pay a center to pick. Why why

442
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 2: are you getting punished for drafting somebody successfully in the

443
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 2: first round. Yeah, Like, there's there's a lot there that

444
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 2: that is. Like, I know, people non copasetic people were shocked.

445
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: I guess it's like May a year ago that the

446
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: Steelers didn't pick up Nausey, but if they would have,

447
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: they're basically guaranteeing two years your's fourth year and his

448
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: fifth year. The guy took more punishment than like any

449
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: back in the league. What if he gets hurt in

450
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: Week two of twenty twenty four and then you're on

451
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 3: the hook and then you still have him around, you know,

452
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: like it doesn't make a lot of sense, you know.

453
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 2: It doesn't you be on the hope even if you

454
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: like him a lot. Yeah, if he gets hurt in

455
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: a couple games in the season, you're still on the

456
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: hook for thirty some more games of him.

457
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, over the next two years, and he's taking a pounding,

458
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: you know.

459
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: And that's an important thing to consider with Proger Jones

460
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: decision as well too. Yeah, you pick up that option.

461
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 2: It guarantees their contract for two years basically, right right,

462
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: thirty four games. Yeah, and that fourth year. You weren't

463
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: going to cut them anyway if you pick them up.

464
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: It's not like like I always found that funny, like Lamar,

465
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: but they gave him all this guaranteed money. I'm like, well,

466
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 2: they're not going to cut him. He's the only way

467
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: he's not gonna get his money is if he gets cut.

468
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Speaker 2: He's not gonna get cut. You know, he's Lamar Jackson. Correct,

469
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Speaker 2: he does right.

470
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Speaker 3: I'm sick of that guy. You know.

471
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation nine to twenty tweets us how likely is

472
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Speaker 2: a Tyreek Hill trade? What's your favorite stadium and field

473
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Speaker 2: that you've ever visited.

474
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Speaker 3: I can't answer the field stuff. I've been to so

475
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Speaker 3: few it would chockview.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're You're background was right. I mean, I

477
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Speaker 2: guess you probably did a decent amount of college stadiums

478
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Speaker 2: when you were with Pittnakron or were you still.

479
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Speaker 3: In their amount? But even my acron stint, I was

480
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: never on We never had a game. I I set

481
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: up the opening day travel to Penn State, but I

482
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: was a Brown at that point, so I was only

483
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: there months and I was never during the season. Maybe

484
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: it was only eight months the Browns. I had no

485
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: reason to travel with the team. I did when they

486
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: came to Pittsburgh, but I drove myself. If it's a close,

487
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: stayed at home with my wife. Yeah, you know, but

488
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: I had no reason to travel the team. But I

489
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: did go to like preseason games, Like I went to

490
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: a Panther game as a Brown scout in the preseason.

491
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Speaker 3: But otherwise I didn't have much reason to go to

492
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Speaker 3: other stadiums.

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Speaker 2: It's a good point.

494
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Speaker 3: Weird, you've been to way more. Man now, Dale's been

495
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Speaker 3: to like.

496
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Speaker 2: All of them, probably more than thirty two.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ones that don't exist anymore. Absolutely, he has

498
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: a long list. I mean, it's crazy.

499
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Speaker 2: I'll give you both ends of the spectrum. So far

500
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: is incredible out in La and we'll be there in

501
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: November again. Yeah, Okay, it's like nothing else I've ever

502
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Speaker 2: seen him out. The whole stadium is open air, so

503
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: this looks so the ball is built and then the

504
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: overhang is detached, so the so the bowl of the

505
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: stadium is not connect It looks like a sting ray

506
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: hovering over a massive stadium bowl. Okay, it's so cool,

507
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: and obviously the Southern California weather them lets them get

508
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: away with that. But the JumboTron in there is like

509
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: the whole hundred yard length of the field. It feels

510
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: like it's impressive. It's very cool. And then the opposite

511
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: end of the spectrum. There's a part of me, the

512
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: sports dorking me and growing up as a nineties kid.

513
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: I still love the old stadiums, the old barns, the

514
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: old arenas that are dumps and people just go there

515
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: for the sport. In the atmosphere. It's not a fancy

516
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: night out. It's not. I'm taking a bunch of Instagram

517
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: pictures with my friends. Buffalo, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: Their stadium is it's bleacher seats. There's barely any suites

519
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: in there. It's seventy thousand people right on top of

520
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: the stadium, and they don't care about the Wi Fi,

521
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: they don't care about the amenities, they don't care about

522
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: the concession stand. They're there for the Buffalo bills. Those old,

523
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: dumpy stadiums and arenas still have a soft spot in

524
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: my heart. So those are kind of the two ends

525
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: of the spectrum that I love.

526
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: The one thing I'll throw in. And I have so

527
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: many great memories at three Rivers Stadium, I mean tailgateing

528
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: with my buds, concerts, terrible town. I went to a

529
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: million Steeler games and Pirate games and whatever, and I

530
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: don't even know if any of them even exist. But

531
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: like Riverfront, the ones that were baseball and football stadiums

532
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: made sense at the time. You'd move the seats and

533
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. That's that's tough that that ship, is it.

534
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: That's a tough way to live. It certainly is. Certainly

535
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: is in terms of how likely Tyreek, Yeah, I like,

536
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if if he means here in Pittsburgh

537
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: specifically or just in general.

538
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: I guess I've been told I've been asked about Tyrek

539
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: at Tom Valley, and I guess Vegas odds his next team,

540
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: the Steelers are second in terms of Matt you can

541
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: battle on everything. I just believe people have told me

542
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: that because they're gonna be a link to every wide receiver.

543
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: That that that, and I also he's now got some

544
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: investigation stuff going on.

545
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: In abuse stuff. It just came up with a wife

546
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: that he was married to for like seventeen months.

547
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: I think it's a non starter until that, until minimum

548
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: some kind of because you don't, right, the worst thing

549
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: in the world would be to trade for a guy

550
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: and then a week or two later he gets suspended

551
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: for four games, six games the rest of the year,

552
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: whatever it may be.

553
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: I looked at it a little too. He's making thirty

554
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: million next he's got one more year a year in

555
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: the deal. He's making thirty million. I think he could

556
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: get traded. I mean, their season is a disaster, but

557
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: you got to get the off the field stuff at

558
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: least cleaned up. And even if that gets cleaned up,

559
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: he has an off the field reputation. I mean, he

560
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: went he went to say we want about the Chiefs.

561
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: They have taken character risks on people more than most teams. Yeah,

562
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: he was not on most guys draft boards. I know

563
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: Ito's one hundred years ago. They took him in the

564
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: fifth round and because you could everyone knew he was

565
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: a really talented player, but he was not I probably

566
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: was not on the Steelers draft board.

567
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Speaker 2: At the time. Last tweet to get to here me

568
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: tweets us and says doctor Westman and football laureate Matt

569
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: are our inside linebackers missing assignments.

570
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. I've given them too much

571
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: of a pass this week because I've blamed the people

572
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 3: in front of them for getting pushed into their laps

573
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: more than maybe I should. But I really think that's

574
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: the number one problem is it's hard to operate when

575
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: someone's rolling up on your feet. That's your teammates, even though.

576
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: Even if you're Patrick Willis dipped in Luke Keithley.

577
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: You're right. I mean you're getting a lot of friendly

578
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: fire with Bent and Loudermok going backwards and even Cam

579
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: to some degree in that game. I'm not going to

580
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: quite go there.

581
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: Not yet.

582
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, not yet, but I'm open to the fact that

583
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: it was an underwhelming performance by the second level.

584
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: I think it was performance by most on that defense,

585
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: but particularly at the defensive front.

586
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: We're talking about last night. I mean, I would say Watt, Ramsey, Echoles,

587
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: maybe high Smith can hold their head up high for

588
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: how they played in that game. And that's it's pretty

589
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: short list, you know. And then none of those guys

590
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: were perfect either, you know, but they all had high

591
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: quality individual performances where I'm not sure anyone else could

592
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: be like, wow, I was great in that game.

593
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: Me also asks grande nachos or seven layer burrito? Whoa

594
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: seven layer burrito?

595
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: That's that's think about all the layers.

596
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: That seems a little intimidating. I try it though.

597
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: Both The beauty of Mexican is it's just different shapes

598
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: and they're all the same stuff, you know, And I

599
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: like all this stuff, but I'm not huge. I like

600
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: dipping a chip in guac. I don't love guac on

601
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: my taco or burrito. I love it. My daughter gives

602
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: me hard time with that. She loves Mexican and we

603
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: give Mexican a bunch and she's like, why don't you

604
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: give guak on? I'm like, eh, takes away from what

605
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: I'm after and sour cream. I could take her leave

606
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: on nachos or burrito.

607
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: I would choose to put it on on burritos, I'm

608
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: with you on nachos. I want it fully loaded. Give

609
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: me the give me the sausa, give me the sour cream.

610
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, because even more freedom to I got my chip.

611
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it a little bit of a black

612
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: ball over a little salt where the burrito is just

613
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: one bite. How about this move. We don't cook much

614
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: at home anymore, but on taco night, my whole family

615
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: gets their tacos and then when they're like, I've had

616
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: my filled. Not that they eat without me, but they

617
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: all get more than they need or whatever. And then

618
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: I get the big thing of refried beans that only

619
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: my daughter and I eat, and I take all the leftovers,

620
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: jump them in there and I just go brah. And

621
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: that's Matt's meximush And it goes right in the taco.

622
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: So we don't have layers, you know, Like that's phenomenal.

623
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: You can trademark that right anything. They gave it a name,

624
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: and it's all evenly spaced. Every bite is the same.

625
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: It's not pretty, but it gets a job done.

626
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: Like a rice bowl that's loaded with beans and protein.

627
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: Another thing not a rice guy.

628
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: It's filler that's less beef.

629
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: Or Bean's a filler too.

630
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: But no, they're they're they're not the star of the show,

631
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: but they're they're a quality player for you.

632
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, good questions by everybody, like.

633
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: Burrito, Chipotle, no rice, just eating up space.

634
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: Wow, Now all that this has done is I need

635
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: Chipotle or Mo by the way, Taco Bell or my goodness.

636
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: Ye hope a text from my daughter comes by, Hey,

637
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm stopping Chipotle. What do you want?

638
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: Tell her I'll do Barbara Bowl.

639
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: She's not listening.

640
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be funny if this was the one time

641
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: she was though, wasn't it.

642
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe your boyfriend is or something she's with.

643
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: We got to get to our last break of the day.

644
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: Some thoughts on Thursday night football. When we return, maybe

645
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: we'll get to one or two more tweets as well too.

646
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: You know where to get at us if you want

647
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: to get involved. West Shooler. Matt Williamson, It's the Drive

648
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

649
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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

650
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

651
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: Wrapping things up here on a Thursday and Matt, I

652
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: love it when a plan comes together. Because Tim right

653
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Speaker 2: right as we went to break there, the injury report

654
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Speaker 2: dropped for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Glad we got those tweets

655
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Speaker 2: in in the previous segment. Here is what we know.

656
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Speaker 2: Not great news on Joey Porter Junior. Did not practice

657
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, did not practice again today.

658
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: It's not great, but it doesn't break my heart for

659
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: this matchup. I mean, I really think there's one above

660
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: average receiver and they don't want to use a third

661
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: guy much. Cooper Cup is a shell of what he

662
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: used to be. So you're so deep at like this

663
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: was last year big oh.

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Speaker 2: No oh, you would be like, oh, this is not good.

665
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Speaker 3: If Eccles is your three for this game, I'm cool

666
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Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, it went in doubt. Keith Porter out

667
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Speaker 3: for another day, another.

668
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Speaker 2: Week, of course. Deshaun Elliott, Derek Harman did not practice

669
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: yesterday or today. They've already been ruled out. Ellek Harrison

670
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: as well too, but he's moved to IR so he

671
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: will not be showing up on these practice reports. Good

672
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: news on the Nick Herbigfront good full participant today after

673
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: being limited on Wednesday. That's a good sign for his

674
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: availability on Sunday.

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not a huge deal. But with Harrison

676
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: out of the mix, Harrison did some outside linebacker stuff.

677
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Speaker 3: He did some of that. Ohio State did a little

678
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: bit of it at Baltimore. Now, he's not one tenth

679
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: the edge bender pass rusher Herbig is, But you don't

680
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 3: have that fourth guy unless you wanted to call up Leal.

681
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: It's a lot to ask a Sawyer. And plus the

682
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: offensive line for Seattle's not great. I like cross the

683
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: left tackle and I'm excited about it. Is able to

684
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Speaker 3: left guard. But I think Herbig could really pressure Donald.

685
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Speaker 3: And we'll talk more about this kind of stuff tomorrow.

686
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Speaker 3: But even as good as Donald was last year, his

687
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: numbers when pressured. Everyone's worse when they're pressure. Is going

688
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: to clean pocket, sure, but his gap is wider than most.

689
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Speaker 3: He doesn't handle pressure great.

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Speaker 2: If I'm remembering correctly, two years ago, at that game

691
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Speaker 2: out in Seattle, must win for the Steelers the start

692
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: of that three game Mason Rudolph win streak that got

693
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: them out of play. Ye wasn't it Nick Herbig who

694
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Speaker 2: had the big strip sack on Gino Smith to turn

695
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Speaker 2: the tide of that game.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I thought my head. I believe I

697
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Speaker 3: believe it was Herbig. Yeah, I believe he shocked me.

698
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Speaker 3: He is a game changer.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was because there was that big strip

700
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Speaker 2: sack on Gino that turned the tide of that game.

701
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Speaker 2: And I do believe that it was Nick Herbig two

702
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: years ago. His rookie season like.

703
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: A phenomenal asj As causing force fumbles and strip sacks.

704
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: Herbig might be better because he's got so much fewer

705
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: opportunities and his numbers are a little less, but he

706
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: also gets like a quarter of the opportunity. Yeah, you

707
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And he learned from big brother,

708
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean he learned from TJ.

709
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Obviously certainly takes advantage of him. TJ was back in

710
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: practice at full today after getting a vest a rest

711
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: day yesterday. Cam Hayward got a rest day today, but clearly,

712
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: you know, he was part of practice on Wednesday. Good

713
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: last one here. Calvin Anderson didn't practice yesterday with an illness.

714
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: Full participant today, so hopefully that was cold bug something

715
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: like that. You know, just wasn't feeling the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

716
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: just a twenty four hour thing. Get some rest, dehydrated

717
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: and he was back to it today as well.

718
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: Back up anyway, I mean, yeah, ideally he doesn't play

719
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Speaker 3: a snap in a perfect world. Maybe this is optimistic,

720
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Speaker 3: but sounds like Porter is the only one really of note,

721
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Speaker 3: you know, and maybe.

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Speaker 2: That and again the three that they might have already

723
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Speaker 2: ruled out earlier in the week.

724
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Speaker 3: It's not great that they're all on defense, but you know.

725
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: I would agree with you on that. But yeah, looks

726
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: like good news and trending in the right direction for

727
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: Nick Herbig and you know, maybe gonna be an week

728
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: and a little bit longer for Joey Porter Junior.

729
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: And we didn't mention any safeties, but now you have

730
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Speaker 3: Jabrill Peppers too, you've added something to the defense from

731
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Speaker 3: a week ago.

732
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. He spoke for the first time yesterday, talked

733
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Speaker 2: about how excited he is to you know, he said

734
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: he said he had a goal when he came into

735
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 2: the league that he wanted to play for Bill Belichick

736
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: and Mike Tomlin at some point in his career, and

737
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: that he got to play for Bill Belichick and now

738
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: gets to play for Mike Tomlin. And so yeah, I

739
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: have a feeling we will we'll see him get some spend.

740
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: He'll be wearing number forty for those of you that

741
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Speaker 2: are going to be looking for Peppers on Sunday afternoon

742
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Speaker 2: before we get out of here, Matt, a couple of

743
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Speaker 2: minutes left tonight at Lambeau Field in green Bay. Second,

744
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean, in second massive game here at Lambeau in

745
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: the span of five days. Of course, Packers with a

746
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: division win comfortably over Detroit in their opener, Commanders with

747
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: a division win over the Giants, and there opener, Matt,

748
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: two of the and I think you and I both

749
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: agree the Packers are a step ahead, but two of

750
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: the contenders in.

751
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: These Yeah, it's high expectations for both. Yes, rightfully. So

752
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: I think green Bay might be right there with the

753
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: Eagles as the best team in the NFC. Probably the

754
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 3: most impressive win of Week one considering who they played.

755
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they kind of embarrassed the Lions, and I

756
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: still think the Lions are pretty aren't good. I like

757
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: green Bay. I think they're like three and a half

758
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: point favorites. I think they're I would lay the three

759
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: and a half. It sounds like green Bay might have

760
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: a few o line injuries. I don't think Parsons will

761
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: be a full time player yet, but he's still super

762
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: impactful and I can't wait to see him on primetime.

763
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's gonna be phenomenal tonight and the Giants

764
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: couldn't really take advantage of it. But I still have

765
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 3: a lot of questions about Washington's defense. They're old, Yeah,

766
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: they're old. They're old. See a lot of difference makers.

767
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: They certainly have them on offense, but I do think

768
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: that's a fair assessment of their defense. It is green

769
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: Bay favored by three and a half, so you like

770
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: to win, but the Commanders to cover no straight up

771
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: yeas I mean sorry, not straight up, but laying the

772
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: laying the points. Yeah, still win by four or more

773
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: green Bay tonight.

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Speaker 3: I also think short week at home goes a long

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: way too. It definitely not making the trip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Washington had to get on a plane yesterday. The

777
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Packers got some some extra time at home. There uh

778
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: a lot to a lot to I think be excited

779
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: about for both of these offenses to watch too.

780
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Speaker 3: Yeah, both quarterbacks are gonna be fun to watch too.

781
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Speaker 3: I'm a big Jordan love guy.

782
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Both quarterbacks. Absolutely. I know you're a big Jordan love guy.

783
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: I think everybody thinks that Jayden Daniels.

784
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, if.

785
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: He takes a step forward this year, we could be

786
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: talking about him potentially as one of those Unicorn type,

787
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: truly elite quarterbacks.

788
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: Very impressive.

789
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: You've got two really intriguing running backs for different reasons too,

790
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: and Jacob's and Crosskey Merritt kind of at different points

791
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: in their career. And you know, Deebo Samuel was a

792
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: really good debut for for Washington as well. So a

793
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: lot of storylines to sink your teeth into in this one.

794
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: Now, everyone get your popcorin ready for this. This should

795
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: be a good matchup.

796
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: It is, and I I do like how they've started

797
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: to do that now. Like we all know, sometimes the

798
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: Thursday night football slot can be treated as like the

799
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Speaker 2: throwaway game.

800
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: It used to be like Titans Jags when they both

801
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: stunk all the time. Or you'll you'll like and Derek

802
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: Henry run for two hundred yards against the Jags.

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Speaker 2: You know you'll like, you like it, You'll like this story.

804
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Arthur Motes, my former co host on The Blitz. Sure

805
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: we should. We will have to get him as a

806
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: guest a couple times throughout the season. That'd be fus

807
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: his first four years in the league. He played for

808
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: the Bills before he before he played four years for

809
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: the Steelers, and then his last year with the Cardinals.

810
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: And that was pre Josh Allen. Pre McDermott was in

811
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Speaker 2: the middle of Buffalo is like thirty years streak of

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: not going to the playoffs, whatever that was. And I

813
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: told you the joke before about how he said, like

814
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: we won seven games one year and they wanted to

815
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: throw us a parade, you know, like that's.

816
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: How courgh and they want.

817
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: To he you don't go to the super Bowl. It's

818
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: a free season. He would always laugh and tell me

819
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: my four years in Buffalo, every team in the league

820
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: is guaranteed at least one primetime game. And he's like,

821
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: that was the biggest adjustment for you when I got

822
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh is we're having five or six a year.

823
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: He's like, in Buffalo, we had won and it was

824
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: always a Thursday night we'd be playing Cleveland or Tennessee

825
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: or that was our only primetime game we had the

826
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: whole year. It was that kind of Thursday night throwaway.

827
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Speaker 2: I think Jeff Bezos and Amazon, you know, put a

828
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Speaker 2: put a word in, put.

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Speaker 3: A call in, he's a little bit more attractive, and

830
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Speaker 3: at least.

831
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Speaker 2: At the beginning, it always seems like the first handful

832
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: or very it's like they.

833
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 3: Want people want to hear a quarterback injury or whatever

834
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: you do that kind of know what you're getting.

835
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, but these no good good Slay to Thursday

836
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: games to kind of get a started.

837
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Speaker 3: All the primetime games are pretty awesome so far.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think tonight eight p fifteen at lambeau

839
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Speaker 2: Field is certainly going to be another one of those.

840
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Speaker 2: Matt enjoyed today's show.

841
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Speaker 3: Good stuff, dude.

842
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow will be a lot of fun. We will completely

843
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: deep dive into the Seattle Seahawks, more of Matt's stats,

844
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: some scouting, some looking ahead. We will have Missy Matthews

845
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Speaker 2: join us on the show tomorrow as we as we

846
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Speaker 2: get ready for that Steeler's home opener Sunday one o'clock

847
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: against Seattle at Akroshuer Stadium. Big thanks to Bob Labriola

848
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: for joining us today and of course our video producer.

849
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Speaker 2: If you want to see our beautiful faces on YouTube,

850
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Speaker 2: mister t V for Matt Williams and I'm west Heuler.

851
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Speaker 2: Take care everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. You know

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Speaker 2: where to find us. As always, it's on your twenty

853
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Speaker 2: four to seven home of the Black and Gold. It's

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