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Speaker 1: As we are forty six days away from kickoff for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one NFL season and the Cowboys certainly

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Speaker 1: underway here at training camp twenty twenty one. Kyle Yeoman's

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Speaker 1: We've got Spagnola on time today. I found him. I

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Speaker 1: found him in the cafeteria this morning. I said, we

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Speaker 1: do have a show, so let's go. And I followed

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Speaker 1: me to the trailer and then we got out here.

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Speaker 1: I needed no help, did you? I needed no help.

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Speaker 1: You just needed a nudge. I was up. I gave

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Speaker 1: your bike ride? Sunrise bike ride in Today was a

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Speaker 1: day of rest for these old lakes. Okay, that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: They need that every one. So it's regeneration day, right,

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Speaker 1: Regen and McCarthy Regen today absolutely, Oh, McCarthy and Mickey

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Speaker 1: in cahoots with the regeneration schedule, but there is no

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Speaker 1: regeneration this weekend for the Cowboys. We're kind of sandwiched

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Speaker 1: in between a couple of practices. It's the first days

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Speaker 1: of back to back practices out here in Oxnard. Practice

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Speaker 1: number two yesterday. Any general thoughts to get us kicked

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Speaker 1: off of what you saw yesterday, Rob Well, I thought

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Speaker 1: the second practice was I don't want it's too early

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Speaker 1: to say win for defense, win for offense, but I

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Speaker 1: thought Dak Prescott was terrific, especially in the two minute work.

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Speaker 1: I think he had one in completion and probably a

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Speaker 1: touchdown pass. They didn't give the last throw to Noah

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Speaker 1: great catch to go get it, but he might have

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Speaker 1: been in team drills since really before the injury last October,

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Speaker 1: wasn't eleven on nine or whatever they did in OTA's

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Speaker 1: so he had a little clutter around him. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it takes a while once when you haven't played quarterback

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Speaker 1: And that's why you know, he knows. You know, it

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Speaker 1: may not be the first preseason game. He needs to

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Speaker 1: play in preseason, there's no doubt about it. I remember

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Speaker 1: when Tony Romo had missed the one of the seasons

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Speaker 1: And he thought preseason was important for him. Now unfortunately

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Speaker 1: all around, probably a better day for the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I retract the question, your honor.

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Speaker 1: Now switching over to the defensive side of the football,

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Speaker 1: looking and I again say it, let's say it, Rod,

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Speaker 1: Let's just let's just put it out there, say well,

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Speaker 1: we have everything has to be a disclaimer. They're not

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Speaker 1: But yeah, dinner last night, we're talking about, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's what where's the cap room to resign him to

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Speaker 1: a big deal after the season, because he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: a big ear after get it done. Yeah yeah, or

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Speaker 1: now with that too, Brad Sham was giving him a

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Speaker 1: but I mean, say with your chest, rob, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Brandy Gregory's gonna have a big ear, right. I mean

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Speaker 1: what we've seen absolutely and what really what we saw

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Speaker 1: you extrapolate that over sixteen games he had three and

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Speaker 1: That's another mistake they made last year after he was

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Speaker 1: to project a little bit because Randy has played so little.

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Speaker 1: you could double that number to sixty plus. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: because of l But they do great job over there

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Speaker 1: and are gonna hook Rob up here in a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. And that's exciting. Excited to get Isaiah in

431
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Speaker 1: a training camp. He's gonna be here at a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks or I guess about a week from today

433
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Speaker 1: or tomorrow something like that. He comes in. He's gonna

434
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Speaker 1: be here for a week of training camp, he'll he'll

435
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Speaker 1: have the goggles back out for the or read no

436
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: doubt about that. We got some time now for some

437
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: fans on the fifty back starting things off with the

438
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Speaker 1: one that I teased going into break and we'll start

439
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: with you on this one, Mickey, and you can feel

440
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Speaker 1: free to downplay this if you want. But of course,

441
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Speaker 1: Nashan Wright, cornerback rookie out of Oregon State, has really

442
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Speaker 1: looked impressive. Is there a chance, any realistic scenario that

443
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Speaker 1: he plays into a starting role the way that he's

444
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Speaker 1: been performing this offseason? If he does, he's gonna have

445
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Speaker 1: to change sides, okay, because he's playing behind Trayvon Diggs

446
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: and he's probably not beating him out for a starting job.

447
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: Looked really good too, Yes, he has so. And on

448
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Speaker 1: the other side, they've got Anthony Brown and Kelvin Joseph,

449
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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting if how they decide to maybe

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Speaker 1: move him around. I don't think he's a slot corner

451
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Speaker 1: at his size. He'd have trouble there, but you know

452
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Speaker 1: who knows. One of the other corners can play inside.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's played inside, I would think play Kelvin could play,

454
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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen him in the slot yet, and

455
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Speaker 1: then you can bring him in if Calvin was a

456
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Speaker 1: starter to you know, play the other side, But so

457
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Speaker 1: far he's been on the right side, behind behind Trayvon Diggs.

458
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Speaker 1: So we'll see on that. All I know is they

459
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Speaker 1: went through growing praying pains with the rookie corner last

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Speaker 1: year starting game one. I don't know you want to

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Speaker 1: go through that again. And there's two of them that

462
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Speaker 1: are clamoring for a starting job, mister Kelvin Joseph and

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Speaker 1: Nishan right at the same time. Rob, Yeah, that's where

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Speaker 1: I was going. I mean, I think from an experienced standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I like Trayvon Diggs put his name in Penn for

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Speaker 1: starting cornerback job. He's got one. I would still lean

467
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Speaker 1: toward Anthony Brown on the other side to give you

468
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Speaker 1: some more experience at least week one. That's just my projection.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. But yeah, I think Kelvin

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Speaker 1: Joseph will push and I think he'll play his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: maybe be a starter at some point, and Nashan Wright,

472
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Speaker 1: Nashan Wright will be continuing develop, to develop and be

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Speaker 1: there potentially. But I go back to what happened last year.

474
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Speaker 1: Every cornerback got hurt. So both guys have to be

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Speaker 1: ready to play, and there's a chance that based on injuries,

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Speaker 1: Nashan Wright might be a starter at some point as

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Speaker 1: a rookie. Maybe that's not the plan, but it could happen.

478
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Speaker 1: So he's got to be ready as a top one

479
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Speaker 1: hundred pick. I mean, the question from Ernie was is

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Speaker 1: there a realistic scenario? I think there definitely is a

481
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Speaker 1: realistic scenario because, like you just said, where putting them?

482
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Speaker 1: I think it would be an injury sort of deal.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of leading to is that

484
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Speaker 1: there's anything is realistic at this point, and we saw

485
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Speaker 1: that last year in twenty twenty. I'm not saying he

486
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Speaker 1: would play into a starting spot unless there's somebody in

487
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Speaker 1: front of him that's not on the depth chart anymore

488
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Speaker 1: via injury, And that's that's kind of the way I

489
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Speaker 1: was thinking, which is definitely realistic. But I think there's

490
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Speaker 1: some some dominoes that have to fall first, and the

491
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Speaker 1: guys do that. They asked the question, Ernie, Ernie, Ernie,

492
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Speaker 1: let's get the pads on first before we get starters.

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Speaker 1: Has he looked impressive though, yes, yes, because every practice

494
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Speaker 1: he gets a hand on the ball as he does change.

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Speaker 1: I don't rection, I don't know who's throwing it. I

496
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: don't know who he's covering all the time, but he

497
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: gets his hand on the ball. Two of his PBUs

498
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: in practice, number one came against number four. Yeah, but

499
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: number four is just throwing the ball. That's true. But

500
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: you still gotta get a handle the ball. That's qualified

501
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit. I just want to slow

502
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Speaker 1: the steamroller down. That's okay, we can we can, we

503
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Speaker 1: can do that. How does Jarwin look so far after

504
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Speaker 1: returning from his ACL injury. That question is from Jake

505
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: Mickey's back Nolah. I wrote a note down here. Jar

506
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: run running real well and cutting So to me, he

507
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he's he's got any lasting effects from

508
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: the torn ACL. He's running well, he's cutting well. Now

509
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: he just needs to get in the flow of the offense.

510
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: Got after he missed what all but twenty snaps last year.

511
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: It was twenty snaps I think in the season opener

512
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt. So yeah, he looks fine

513
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: to me. I think they've got something going with a

514
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: two tight end offense too. Unfortunately, that means one of

515
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: the wide receivers has to come off the field. Yeah,

516
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like how much are they going to

517
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: get away from eleven personnel because that was like two

518
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: thirds of the time that's what they did. Reason for

519
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: good reason, because you have three studs on the outside. Yeah.

520
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: But to Mickey's point, I think Blake and and Dalton

521
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: Schultz have skill set that compliment each other as well,

522
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Speaker 1: So I think that's a package you can get to.

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Speaker 1: I'm with him. I think he's looked good. I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen any effects from from the knee. I think there

525
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: was one route on air between Dak and Blake that

526
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: they missed each other on yesterday, and that's just I

527
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: think it's probably just the timing thing, just getting him

528
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: back in the flow and getting his timing back, and

529
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: then they'll come. One of the notes that I wrote

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Speaker 1: down and Mickey and I were standing next to each

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Speaker 1: other for a good amount of practice yesterday and I said,

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00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: Jarwin looks one hundred percent healthy, and it looks a

533
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: little bigger too, And maybe that's just because I'm closer

534
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: than I have been because whenever I started doing on

535
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: air work, we were up in the booth and doing

536
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: whatever different things. Well, if you think about it, when

537
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: you're rehabbing like that strength a leg injury, then you

538
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: know that nothing stops you from upper body weightlifting and

539
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: putting on you know, good weight with spending time in

540
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: the weight room. So yeah, I think he probably does

541
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: look a little bit bigger. Yeah, no, I agree. This

542
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: final question comes from Chewy great name by the way,

543
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: on Twitter, who was likely to be the punt turner

544
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: in at the start of the season. And the reason

545
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: why he asked this question is he says, please don't

546
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: let it be eighty eight because he's too valuable. What's

547
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: his name, Chewy Chewy, Sorry, Chew, Chewy, Chew up the

548
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: wrong number. Eighty eight is gonna return punts because he

549
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: is valuable. Punt returns not a blowoff play, right, It's significant.

550
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: And if I got a guy that can do what

551
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: he can do, he's out there returning punts. I mean,

552
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: just I'm I agree with you. And he did have

553
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: some explosive plays and he nearly had some more last season,

554
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: which they haven't had in past years. They've had reliable guys.

555
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley was reliable, but he wasn't going to get you,

556
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, a twenty plus yard return Ceedee Lamb can

557
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: do that. I'm not saying Amari Cooper is going to

558
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: miss a bunch of time here. But if they are,

559
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: just hypothetically, if they were to have some depth issues

560
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, would you change your thinking during the season. No, Now,

561
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: you said reliable. If I need reliable, I put Cedric

562
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Speaker 1: Wilson out there, just go catch it, right. If I'm

563
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: not gonna return the punt, I'm fine with that. Yeah.

564
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Speaker 1: But did you see the guy's catching punts yesterday? Yes?

565
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: And I was off the jugs machine. But everybody, almost

566
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Speaker 1: everybody we're on camera, right, yes, we okay, so almost

567
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: everybody there. Yes, everybody's sitting there ready to catch the ball.

568
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: That's this thing right there. They're they're they're just adjusting

569
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: every step of the way. Right. He stands there like this,

570
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he puts his hands

571
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Speaker 1: out and catches it like he knows where the ball's

572
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna land. He doesn't have to adjust his feet, he

573
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to adjust his hands, and and and it's

574
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: not easy. You saw what Zeke did right when he

575
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: went out there. I said, oh, this is gonna be good,

576
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Zeke's trying to catch it

577
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Speaker 1: like this in his five yards over his head. The

578
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: first time he catches the ball, every it's like it's

579
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like a can of corn. You know. They used

580
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to call in baseball, and you know why they started

581
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: that saying, right, why is that? Because bats should know this.

582
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I used to put work in baseball back in the day.

583
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: In the grocery stores when they had high, high shelves,

584
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: they used to have a pole and they pulled the

585
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: can down and you catch it like a can of corn. Right,

586
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: So that's only the insight that Mickey Spagnola can provide you.

587
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Let's try cowboys, because the grocery stores probably don't stack

588
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: their stuff that high. And you don't have to get

589
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: a pole, yeah, or you don't have to get a poll. Well,

590
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: people group taller. Right, Wait, so where are your's What's

591
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: where's the connection between hey catch the grocery stores. It

592
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: like a can of corn. Okay, okay, you know, just

593
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: like in baseball and they say, oh it's a high

594
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: pop up. It's a can of corn, you know, and

595
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: you catch it. He also had a cool little juggling

596
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: act after practice where he would they were trying to

597
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: catch as many as they could, but he would toss

598
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: one up the air, catch it one handed, and then

599
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: catch the other one, catch the other one so he

600
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: could hold the other one in this hand, get rid

601
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: of the one in this hand, and then catch the

602
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: thing he threw in the air. So I saw. I'm

603
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: not a producer, but look for that on hard Knock

604
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: who was Triumph, who was one of the guys, was

605
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: trying to do it, and he couldn't throw the ball

606
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: up in the air straight, ye, throw it, throw it

607
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: out in front of him. Then he's lugen to catch

608
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: this one. He'd catch the other one right. Well, don't

609
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: you remember Jenorris Jenkins when they did that in training

610
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: camp that one year when Bill was here and and

611
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: they were trying to catch see how many the and

612
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: I think he caught like five, wasn't it. Pac Man

613
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: did no, pac Man, that's right, Yeah, pac Man did it.

614
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah he caught like yeah, yeah it was pac Man,

615
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: that's right. And then everybody kept trying to do it.

616
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: He had like six at once. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

617
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: can of corn, cann of corn. Yeah. I think it's

618
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: interesting to think about the decision that's going to go

619
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: into the punt return of question. Shoe. He got us

620
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: down a little bit of a rabbit hole there, But

621
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Speaker 1: at some point, and I think, Rob, you ask a

622
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: good question because it's a decision that would have to

623
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: be made if there's depth that shoes that wide receiver,

624
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: or if Ceedee Lamb just takes that second year leap

625
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: and turns into maybe the best receiver or future receiver

626
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: on this cowboy's roster. Do you still put him out there?

627
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: Is twenty yards on every couple punt returns more valuable

628
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: than having a healthy number one wide. I just think

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Speaker 1: at this point they're not afraid to do that, to

630
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: put him out there at all. No, it ain't right now, No,

631
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Speaker 1: it ain't twenty yards. It's the sixty yards that I

632
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: could get that would be nice. There's that, And you know,

633
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: like because the common example for the opposite thinking is well,

634
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: they never let Dez Bryant do it well Dez Bryant.

635
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: I think sometimes with Dez they were trying to protect

636
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Speaker 1: des from Dez sure because Dez was so physical and

637
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: wanted to always you know, you know, not live to

638
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: play another down, you know what I mean? And I

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Speaker 1: Rob I'll starts with you on this one. It is

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Speaker 1: back together, Lyle Collins, Tyrant Smith along with Zach Martin.

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Speaker 1: You've even got Connor Williams, Tyler Biadas. The front five

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Speaker 1: Extremely refreshing, and it's nice to hear from Tyrn Smith

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Speaker 1: and Lyle Collins like we did a couple in the

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Speaker 1: was on a walker then crutches, couldn't bathe himself at

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Speaker 1: times after the hip surgery. I mean that that is

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Speaker 1: the type of stuff we don't see and hear about

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Speaker 1: when guys are coming back from serious injuries. He said,

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Speaker 1: he never considered retirement. I think that was a false

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Speaker 1: report out there. But yeah, I think it's they've been

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Speaker 1: out We've talked about Blake Jarwin. Both those guys have

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Speaker 1: been out there moving well. I don't see anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's out of the ordinary there, and I think both

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Speaker 1: guys Lyle said in twenty nineteen his hip started bothering

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Speaker 1: and tyrants had kind of that residual back next stuff

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Speaker 1: for a while. I think these surgeries are supposed to

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Speaker 1: permanently fix those issues. So I think there's a comfort

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Speaker 1: level there and a great job by by Britt Brown

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Speaker 1: and the rehab process as well. If there's a question

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Speaker 1: mark for me, it's some of the depth issues they have,

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Speaker 1: or depth questions on the offensive line. Who's the swing tackle,

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Speaker 1: who's the backup center. I think those questions still have

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Speaker 1: to be determined. But it's great to see the starting

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Speaker 1: vibe out there, for sure. So this is a bad visual.

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Speaker 1: But he couldn't bathe himself, That's what he said. Did

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Speaker 1: anybody else who did it? Nope? I didn't want to.

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Speaker 1: He talked about his support system that his family was around.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want know. It's not getting into too much

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Speaker 1: detail here. It was a sort of refreshing as waking

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Speaker 1: up every morning here and it's sixty two degrees. That's

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Speaker 1: how refreshing it was. Um, we're just in the ditch

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Speaker 1: every second. Gotta out yep, keep going, keep going. What

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Speaker 1: else you got me? Now? I have no problems with

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00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: the starting five. I think as solid as can be.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm keeping my eye on the swing tackle

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Speaker 1: and I'm keeping my eye in the backup center because

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00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: no one on this roster behind Beads snapped the ball

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Speaker 1: in an NFL game last year. That's considered a backup center.

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Speaker 1: One of them is a rookie free agent, right. The

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Speaker 1: other one's a guy that played guard that they're moving

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Speaker 1: the center who had played some center at in Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Farniac did get drafted, which is what he didn't play

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. You're right, he was right. That is

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Speaker 1: my point. Those are the two that have had snaps

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Speaker 1: at center outside of Beads. And by the way, both

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Speaker 1: of them in the first two practice have had a fumble,

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Speaker 1: have had a bad snap, and finally they got um.

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Speaker 1: So when they do, when the stretchings going on and

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are doing their deal on the other field

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Speaker 1: and they get somebody they practice snap into the center, right,

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Speaker 1: and Connor Williams is over there. Yeah last year too,

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Speaker 1: And and he actually got a snap with the seconds

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Speaker 1: yesterday in practice and sailed at five feet over the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks head in a shotgun. She didn't have a chance.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that they consider somebody. RI saw

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Speaker 1: read something that they considered him the backup center. And

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Speaker 1: that's the furthest from the truth because Farniac OTAs and

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Speaker 1: and minicamp was in there with the seconds. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot of center in college either.

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Speaker 1: He didn't really, That's what I'm here in Nebraska. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was moving the tackle yard. He was a tackle guard,

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Speaker 1: and I think they ended up moving him back to guard,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's been ale and then everybody talks

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Speaker 1: about Connor McGovern. The last time Connor McGovern actually played

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Speaker 1: a season of center at Penn State was twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and I talked to him at mini camp

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Speaker 1: and he said, I'm basically working in guard right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not. I haven't. I haven't. I see him sometimes

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Speaker 1: doing that pre practice snap stuff, but other than that,

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Speaker 1: he's been at guard. So, um, keep an eye off

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Speaker 1: for Jumbo Joe at some point. Well, I think it's

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00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: it's in their hip pocket probably if he kept himself

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Speaker 1: in shape. You think that could be after week one

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00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: thing with the not guaranteed veteran contracts, Yes, it could be.

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Speaker 1: It may take some time if he's in shape, But again,

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Speaker 1: what are what are the COVID rules? It's true because

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Speaker 1: it would take about five days for right an unvaccinated

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Speaker 1: player to come in and do it vaccinated unvaccinated? Um?

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Speaker 1: Is he in shape? Because he could eat himself out

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00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: of a job by three? Um? So I think they

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00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: got to let these young guys. Um, yeah right, let

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00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: these young guys just let's see what they got. And

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00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: again we're we're saying all this stuff and the pads

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00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: haven't come. Yeah, not one padded practice since the end

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Speaker 1: of last season, So I think we have to wait.

795
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: But but you you know what for the backup tackle spot. Yeah,

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00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: you could watch their footwork right and it almost tells

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00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: you can they do this or can't they do this?

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Speaker 1: So what do you think about time? And Secky? Right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not overly impressed. Um. Same, I would like to

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00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: see more of Josh ball. They're gonna give him a chance. Um,

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00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: he may have to get stronger at some point, and

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00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I can't do that in a month. Um. Terrence Steele

803
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: is still there taking second team reps and he's tacks both,

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Speaker 1: but mostly at the right side, right Brandon Knight. We've

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Speaker 1: seen him a little at guard. He's been at guard

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Speaker 1: rum And you know you've said this, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. If you get into the season and there's

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Speaker 1: a brig Glass emergency situation, Zack Martin could be my

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Speaker 1: right tack. He's my right tackle. And because you know why,

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Speaker 1: I trust Connor McGovern to go in and play guard now.

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Speaker 1: I think the reason they were hesitant last year because

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Speaker 1: they weren't sure McGovern was ready to play after missing

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Speaker 1: all the previous season. And then when they got comfortable

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Speaker 1: with him playing guard, it was like, Okay, is he

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Speaker 1: playing guard better than Terrence Steele playing right tackle? And

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Speaker 1: the answer was yes, the whole best five right right exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he's got their confidence now that yeah,

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Speaker 1: drop of a hat, Zack Martin's going out there. I

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Speaker 1: ain't missing around. So starting five offensive line right now,

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Speaker 1: compared to last year's training camp, you feel much better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I let them all. Yeah, I don't know about

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Speaker 1: training camp. Two games into the season, I feel much better, right, true,

823
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: because you didn't have Lale Collins, you didn't have Tyrn Smith.

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Speaker 1: Collins was only out at training camp, like what one practice?

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Speaker 1: I don't even think he did. He was out there

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Speaker 1: for a little little bit practice. Did he get on

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Speaker 1: the field like in a team situation? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: He was definitely went back and looked at my notes,

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Speaker 1: he did, because it's in this notebook. But he got

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Speaker 1: out there for it was like four snaps though. Mack. Yeah,

831
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Speaker 1: it was. He was trying to push through this hip

832
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Speaker 1: thing and they've just decided we've got to do something.

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Speaker 1: And then and then you got to remember Travis Frederick

834
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, you know, right questions too, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, everybody just assumed Joe Looney was

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Speaker 1: your starting center. I guarantee you had they had an

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Speaker 1: off season in preseason, Beatish would have beat him out

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Speaker 1: by time the season opener. I think i'd agree. Do

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Speaker 1: you think it was weird that when Tyler got healthy

840
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Speaker 1: I do but he got healthy, and then okay, now

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Speaker 1: he's can put a uniform on, but was he ready

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Speaker 1: to play? And then maybe for continuity's sake, that's so

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Speaker 1: many change they said, okay, let's leave Looney in there.

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Speaker 1: I think he had won the job in those four

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Speaker 1: played the majority of two other games in a relief role.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's like, well, we talked about Randy Gregory

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Speaker 1: me it's Tyler Biadas's job. Yeah, I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: And we found out last year how important that is, right, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them, I felt really good about this last

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Speaker 1: segment about the offensive line until you said that, But

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Speaker 1: comparative to last year, now I don't feel that great anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it here for us on talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed the last forty five minutes with us.

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Speaker 1: We're having some fun out here in Oxnard. We will

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Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday. Plenty more practice to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and plenty more as we get closer and closer to

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Speaker 1: padded practices that start next week. Don't forget the cannic

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Speaker 1: corn yep canic corn. Don't hurt yourselves. Ladies and gentlemen

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Speaker 1: for Rob Phillips, for Mitchy's bagnola, I'm Kyle Yeoman's That

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