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Speaker 1: on the album that she wrote entirely by herself. And

427
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: I will say no more and then also sweet nothing

428
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: is a skip for me. She needs to stop writing

429
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: songs with her boyfriend. Oh yeah, I agree, But yeah,

430
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: I don't know even if this album felt like a

431
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: filler queen to me, if you give Carly a listen,

432
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: we should talk about it next week, but like I

433
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: felt like we'll definitely talk about it. I felt like

434
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 1: the sexiness that Taylor was vying for with Midnights was

435
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: nothing that Carly didn't already do with like warm Blood in,

436
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, and I I feel

437
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: like if she's going to do the downbeat album, that

438
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: she just does some things that are like actually outside

439
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: of all the tropes we already know, right, Like obviously

440
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: don't want Taylor to not be herself, but I do

441
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: think that she is constantly discovering new things about herself.

442
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: And I think that I wanted to pivot and this

443
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: wasn't a pivot. Yeah. I think part of it is

444
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: that we all, because the rollout of this album was

445
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: so opaque and there were no singles or anything, we

446
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: all grafted our ideas of what Taylor would do next

447
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: onto it, and that set us up for disappointment. Yeah. Wait, actually,

448
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: like if she had just dropped this album, I actually

449
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: think I would have liked it more. And and I

450
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: want to say again, I think the album is good. Yeah,

451
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: I like a lot of it, but it's not iconic.

452
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: It will not be in my Spotify wrapped. That's what

453
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: I'll say. It might be in mind because I will listen.

454
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I will be listening to Karma brnow on the beach.

455
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: Would have could have shut a labyrinth over and over

456
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: again for the next week. Well you got, you got

457
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: a week. But nothing on this will will crack my

458
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Speaker 1: tailor top ten. I don't think do you want end

459
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: with your tailor top ten because I don't know if

460
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: I have a top ten, but I would love to

461
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: hear you. I'll do my top ten and this is

462
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: subject to change, but in no particular order. My tailor

463
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: top ten is Wildest Dreams, mirror Ball, August dancing with

464
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: her hands tied, state of Grace, IVY, tolerate it, out

465
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: of the woods, getaway car, you belong with me, And

466
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: then maybe on a certain day new romantics could edge

467
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: out and you belong with me out of the woods. God.

468
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: That chorus is so annoying, and it's still one of

469
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: her greatest songs ever written like it's incredible and it's

470
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: when it's when her working with Jack Antonov was exciting

471
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: and fresh and um Jack Jack, some Jack, take a vacation,

472
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: please say. And Taylor Swift work with the woman who

473
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: isn't Blake Lively, So listen, virgins, Happy Halloween. We here

474
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: at like a Virgin Enterprises have discussed vampires before. If

475
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to our episodes on Buffy the Vampire

476
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Slayer with Evan Ruscats and Twilight with Peyton Dix, please

477
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: go listen to them now. But I think what we

478
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: discussed when we were talking about our Halloween content and

479
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what this episode would be on,

480
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: and like realizing we wanted to do vampires is the

481
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: vampire media we've covered already, not so much Buffy but Twilight. Really,

482
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: the vampires of Twilight are the straightest vampires to ever exist,

483
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: not even just straight like watered down, hyper conservative, hyper

484
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: patriarchal ideas of what like vampire romance can be. Yes, well,

485
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: it was famously written by a Mormon, is written by

486
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: a Mormon women who hated other women. And and as

487
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: we'll get into in this episode, the thing that I

488
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: think exists across almost every other type of vampire media

489
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: is that vampires are inherently and I would say essentially queer.

490
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: So because of that, we wanted to explore the full

491
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: breadth of vampires and culture and really dig into their

492
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: queerness and a lot of the other things that they

493
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: symbolize some of our favorite vampire media and tropes, some

494
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: of maybe our least favorite um and really kind of

495
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: sink our fangs and and I'm I'm sure I made

496
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: this joke again what we were doing Twilight or Buffy

497
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: we're going to sink we might not? Well, this is

498
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: interesting because usually I'm the one who doesn't remember. Well,

499
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we are here to bring you the truth,

500
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: and the truth is that vampires are canonically, by I

501
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: feel queer, queer, canonically queer, but like definitely buying a

502
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of the things we're talking about. I mean actually

503
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: like in terms of like vampire queerness, just to like

504
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: think about it. Top line as we go into the conversation,

505
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: like why do you think all vampires are queer in

506
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: all of these stories? Like is it because you've lived

507
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: for like a hundred years or so, And like if

508
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: you live for a hundred years, at a certain point

509
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: you're going to be like, what's the point of only

510
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: fucking one gender? You know what I mean? Like totally,

511
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is about immortality and

512
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: if we're being very literal about vampire stories. Yes, of course,

513
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: if you live forever, you're gonna be sucking and sucking

514
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: with everyone, no matter what gender they are. Actually, I

515
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: would even go as far to say that like heterosexon

516
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: and sucking, fucking and sucking, heterosexuality like doesn't really like

517
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: exist even or rather, I don't even believe in heterosexuality.

518
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: I feel like heterosexuality is just like an underdeveloped desire,

519
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like and sometimes it takes

520
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades for you to have that

521
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: aha moment where you're like, oh my god, wait, Like

522
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: liberation means I can suck anything I want, totally. Vampires

523
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: are incredibly enlightened. I also think if you're thinking literally

524
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: about vampires, then I guess if you are using humans

525
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: for sustenance and are kind of, you know, not really

526
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: precious about whose blood you're sucking, then that probably also

527
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: translates into your desire for their flesh as well, right,

528
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: because blood is blood at the end of the day.

529
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: Though in a lot of different um vampire franchises, like

530
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: True Blood for example, not to hop right into it,

531
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: there is like a differentiation between like virgin blood or

532
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: like different kinds of people's bloods and how they have

533
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: different tastes or appeals or something like that. Can you

534
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: break that down well, even in Twilight. The whole way

535
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: that Twilight starts is that Bella's blood smells better to

536
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Edward than anyone else's blood has ever smelled, right, and

537
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: in part because she's not like other girls, in part

538
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: because she's not like other girls, and also in part

539
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: because she's a virgin. Don't think virginity it's I mean,

540
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's like kind of implicit, but it's it's we're

541
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: to understand that it would be the same whether she

542
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: was a virgin or not. So all that being said,

543
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: those are kind of the little reasons why I think

544
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: vampires are gay, or buy or queer. I think when

545
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: we're talking metaphorically and vampires, I think, of all monsters

546
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: that exist, are the most metaphorical. Um. I think vampires

547
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: always represent what people of the time that the stories

548
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: they're set in are afraid of. So that's why I

549
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: think a lot of vampires are queer, because that's something

550
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: that society fears, his queerness. Um. And as I think

551
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: we have progressed as a society, that's probably why vampires

552
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: have gotten more explicitly queer in the media that they

553
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: are depicted in. UM. But you know, we'll we'll like

554
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: get to that. But I think, um, you know, if

555
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: we want to look back at the origins of vampires,

556
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: this is very much true because you know, I think

557
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: everyone thinks about Dracula as the o g vampire story,

558
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: and in many ways it is. It is in that

559
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: UM it's taught in like school high school canons, and

560
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: like is regarded as it's like translated all like in

561
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: every single language. And yeah, it's in literary quote unquote cannon,

562
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: which you know must be said is just kind of

563
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: like a cis white classes kind of contract. But in truth,

564
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: Dracula is actually predated by Carmilla, which was written in

565
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy two by Sheridan uh Lif a new UM.

566
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: It's a Gothic novella and it shares a lot of

567
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: similarities with Dracula, and that it's you know, a first

568
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: person account. Um. It's about a powerful aristocratic figure you're

569
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: who praise on people, but in this case the vampires,

570
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: a woman whose name is Carmila, who praise on women,

571
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: and it is it's a woman who praised on women. Yes,

572
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: it is very explicitly sapphic. So you're saying that, like

573
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: this prototypical vampire story, one that literally predated what people

574
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: think of as the most famous vampire story, was one

575
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: that was kind of explicitly gay, explicitly gay. So from

576
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: so from the beginning, I never heard this. Yes, so

577
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: from the beginning of when we've been telling vampire stories,

578
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: they have always been gay. But I think also what

579
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: is inextricably linked to Carmila and also to Dracula is

580
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: the fact that the villains in both of those stories

581
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: are also part of the aristocracy. And so, like I said,

582
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, vampires always reflect the things that people are

583
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: afraid of at the time, and what people were afraid

584
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: of an angry with at the time was the aristocracy.

585
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Who you know, we're like literally feeding off of the

586
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: common people when you think about like totalism and serfs,

587
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: And that is where the idea of this aristocratic vampire

588
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: who lives in a castle and then like sneaks out

589
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: at night to prey on the common folk comes from.

590
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait, So okay, okay. The Gothic

591
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: iterations of vampires were like low key commentary about like

592
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: classes on basically, so what you're saying is um, what's

593
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: his name, Sheridan Lifa new was like the Bernie Sanders

594
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: of his time. He was really trying to shed light

595
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: on the upper class, maybe not Bernie's. Actually didn't know.

596
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I'm hearing this for the

597
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: first time, but I do think it's kind of wacky.

598
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: As you pointed out that not just in like Carmela,

599
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: but like so many iterations of like vampire stories we

600
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: have now, they're always aristocrats. I think vampires are supposed

601
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: to be both what we fear and what we want

602
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: to be. UM, So, you know, they represent our fears

603
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: about the the ruling class who are literally draining as dry,

604
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: but also you know, aspirational wealth and aspirational immortality, and

605
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: also aspirational freedom to live as you want to to,

606
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, be unbound by the restrictions of society, as

607
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Carmela is, as Dracula is, and even as some of

608
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: Dracula's victims are, because you know, you think about the

609
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: character Lucy and Dracula, who is the woman who he

610
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: prays on who becomes a vampire. I mean, especially in

611
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: bram Stoker's Dracula, the movie version starring Gary Oldman went

612
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: on a writer which I've never seen. It's it's like

613
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen, directed

614
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: by Francis Ford Coppla um Lucy when she gets turned

615
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: into a vampire, like she throughout the whole like beginning

616
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: of the movie has been this like, you know, attractive

617
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: and like desirable woman who three suitors proposed to her

618
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: on the same day and her like fighting over her hand.

619
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: But when she becomes a vampire, like she reaches this

620
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: sort of like ecstatic, um, you know, new height of

621
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: like her own like beauty and power and um. You

622
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: know that's what you know in different vampire media, like

623
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: being a vampire or something to either be afraid of

624
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: in in cases where vampires are more monstrous, but when

625
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: they're more you know, seductive, you want to become a vampire. Yeah,

626
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: And I think in the seduction narratives, which you can

627
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: find obviously in An Rice's books in Twilight and True Blood,

628
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: there's this kind of tension between like vampire and victim

629
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: that is sometimes emotional, sometimes romantic, right, And and I

630
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: think it's like getting at this this metaphor you're building

631
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: on about like forbidden desire, right about how the vampire

632
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: is a dangerous love that you know is kind of

633
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: not good for you. But at the same time, there

634
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: is a liberatory power in becoming a vampire, or at

635
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: least having access to what a vampire has access to

636
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: in immortality, in like centuries old wisdom, in a lot

637
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: of different things that vampire's wield in addition to protection.

638
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: If you're on the vampire's good side. Yeah, well, I mean,

639
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you know you speaking of like liberation. That's an interview

640
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: with the vampire when Listat is offering Louie the Dark

641
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Gift as they call as Anne Rice calls it, you know,

642
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: he talks about setting him free because when when interview

643
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: with the Vampire starts, when his when Louie's story starts,

644
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: he has lost his wife and child. He you know,

645
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: is depressed. He's just like going out and whoring and

646
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to be alive anymore. And list

647
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Stat offers to liberate him from that life and offer him,

648
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, immortality, which is funny because this is a

649
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: man who's clearly trying to die and someone just offers

650
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: him the most life you can have, but a better

651
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: but a better version of it? Right, It is kind

652
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: of a trick, or at least I mean, let's get

653
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: into interview with a vampire honestly, because what that ends

654
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: up becoming is like he immediately Louis immediately regrets it

655
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: or regrets it pretty quickly, where he's like, oh, this

656
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: is a different kind of misery than I was experiencing before.

657
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: And because he also didn't realize that he would have

658
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: to kill people to survive, which is stupid. It's like, girl,

659
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: did you not read the fine print here like this

660
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: that you are a vampire? Now? Um, would you if

661
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: you were at your rock bottom you would become a vampire? Right?

662
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I would need to be at my

663
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: rock bottom. But the thing is immortality not appealing to you,

664
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: no no, no, no no no no, but want to live forever?

665
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: But being a vampire very your tea. Yeah, so okay,

666
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: I guess this. Can vampire's commit suicide? Yeah? Sure, there's

667
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: vampires commit suicide all the time. It's the whole plot

668
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: of New Moon. Yeah. Wait, really another way is that

669
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: the second or third one? That's the second Tilight movie? Okay, yeah,

670
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I've never seen one. I have seen thee when when

671
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: Edward finds out that Bella he he thinks that Bella

672
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: has died. He tries to kill himself and just for

673
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: the virgins. In case you forgot, I have seen the

674
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: first Twilight movie, but in four different sittings and and

675
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: different attempts, different attempts, different excerpts, kind of connected and

676
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: stitched together. Have not seen the second one, have seen

677
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: the third one, did not see The fourth movie is

678
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: their fifth movie. Yes, I have not seen the fifth

679
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: movie either. It's okay, you'll you'll get around to it

680
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: one day, I'm sure. But okay, what I want to

681
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: be a vampire? I guess you could always just kill

682
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: your because that's that's the one thing for me is

683
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: like immortality zero appealed to me. Being a vampire sounds

684
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of hot. And I don't really understand the appeal

685
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: of living forever. I actually think that, I mean, and

686
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is like a you know, sad

687
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: tumbler girl. I'm I'm being truly honest, like I'm not

688
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: being funny. Like death is very comforting to me. Knowing

689
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: that one day all of this will be over is

690
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: very comforting to me. The most you thing you could

691
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: possibly this um, and at certain times it's more comforting

692
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: than maybe it should be. Um. But yeah, the idea

693
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: of living forever. I mean, I think that's why vampires

694
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: are both appealing and terrifying, because they are you know,

695
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: also in vampire media, vampires are either of you know,

696
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: very evil characters or very tragic characters. And I think

697
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: and Rice particularly gets that duality really well, of them

698
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: being these monsters but also these like very tragic heroes.

699
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Wait can we can we also just like have a

700
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: quick aside while we're talking about like living forever? What what? Even?

701
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: There's so many movies and TV shows and books where

702
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: like the central goal is some sort of attempt to

703
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: eve immortalent Baltimore wants to live forever. It's like, why

704
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: would you want that? Like Tuck everlasting? No, thank you?

705
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times it's tied up in power.

706
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: It's people who are powerful want to keep their power

707
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: for the fountain of youth Like no, does not appeal Like, um,

708
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: what especially don't understand? Yeah, like people in medieval times,

709
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: why would you want to live forever? Where like when

710
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: like you're bathing once once a season? Yeah, holy grail,

711
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: holy flop. No, actually, but like if you that's actually

712
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: if you are trying to live longer, you know, you're

713
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: going on your daily jogs or whatever because you like

714
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: want to live longer. It's like grow up, grow up,

715
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: you want to live on a planet that's dying. That's

716
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: the thing that's vampires are going to ostensibly are going

717
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: to live until the this world is burned to dust,

718
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: and then what are they going to be? Just like

719
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: floating in space? Some of you you never read Tuck

720
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: ever Lasting in high school, and it shows um that

721
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: is like the central like I think lesson of it

722
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: is you know him Charlie and I always used to

723
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: joke that, like the twink from Talk ever Lasting is

724
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: the perfect twink, and so sometimes I would like send

725
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: her like a cute boy and be like he's giving talk,

726
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: he's giving talk. He is so twinky, and he's Twinkie forever.

727
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: The thing to me that appeals in most about being

728
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: a vampire would be the version of like vampires where

729
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: there is community, because like in Anne Rice is like

730
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: vampire stories, vampires are very isolated and like wander or

731
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: at least in the interview with a vampire should say

732
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: it's like they're kind of wandering earth looking for each other,

733
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: very sparse where you know, um in something like True

734
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Blood or Twilight or whatever. They've kind of found their covens,

735
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: their communes. But that's also what sets off the whole

736
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: plot of interview with the vampires that Lestat doesn't want

737
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: to be alone anymore and sees the opportunity for companionship

738
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: with Louie, and then when he sees that Louie is

739
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: unhappy with their life together, uses Claudia as a way

740
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: to bind him even closer to him, and they become

741
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: this little family which you know eventually sours um. And

742
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean through different and Rice novels there are the

743
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: vampireson and Rice universe also do have covens and families

744
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: and um, you know there are lovers who stay together

745
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: for centuries um. But yes, a lot of and Rice

746
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: vampires are loners. And for the virgins that the plot

747
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: that rose just outlined, Listat is Tom Cruise, Louie is

748
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: Brad pitt Um, and then the girl what's her name again,

749
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Claudia Claudia by a young Kirston done um kind of

750
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: doing some of her best work. They are fully like

751
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: a like kind of modern family as like gay Dad's scenario,

752
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: like they are a chosen family unit period like and

753
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: now not biologically related at all. And that is very

754
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: explicit in her books and Rice and Rice Never sucked

755
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: around was saying that they were lovers. Wait wait in

756
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the I'm sorry, this is this is like actually quintessential

757
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: fran and like the like a virgin kind of conversation

758
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: I read, I watched the movie, did not really read

759
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: the wikipiti page or book. They're gay in the book.

760
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: They're gay in the book. Yeah, they're lovers. But this

761
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: is the thing. When we say lovers, we're talking about love.

762
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: We are not talking about sex. Because canonically, in the

763
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Vampire Chronicles and Rice's universe, vampires don't fuck what so

764
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: so her idea of vampiresm is that because their blood

765
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: does not flow, they can't get erect and so and

766
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: and also you know, she clearly has this very regressive

767
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: idea and like regressive and binary idea of sexuality, which

768
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: is that the only kind of sexuality exists is one

769
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: with an ennetration um. But yes, according to her, vampires

770
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: do not have that kind of physical urge to fuck,

771
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: and so they you know, they kiss and they like

772
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: caress and they're very sensual, but they don't have sex.

773
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: They are sexless. Wait, I was kind of turned off

774
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: by what you were describing. But now when when you

775
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: think about the kind of like, um, the thematic device

776
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: that becomes where it's just like when you take sex

777
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: out of romanticism, but it's still a romance because it

778
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: really is. It's a sensual sensuality and not sexual And

779
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: that really shows up in the movie, Like there is

780
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: an homootic charge between like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise,

781
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: but it's never really explicit. It's only something that you

782
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: read into, Like there's a moment where Tom Cruise like

783
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: usurped this kind of twink, but like you never see him,

784
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: like you know, kiss him or anything like that. Like

785
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of in the scene with them where

786
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: they killed the woman and the dogs, the little fop guy. Um. Yes,

787
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: but from what I've heard, so there is a new

788
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: um interview with the Vampire series coming out. It will

789
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: already be out at the time this episode comes out.

790
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: It's coming on on AMC. This is part of a

791
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: deal that was kind of put into play even before

792
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: Anne Rice died to make a new kind of vampire

793
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: chronicles like Cinematic Universe, but I think it's mostly happening

794
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: on TV and in the show The Vampires. I mean,

795
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I've seen trailers and read a couple of reviews. They

796
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: are very explicitly explicitly gay. So you said you watched

797
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Queen of the Damned. I watched, well, I had it

798
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: on background when I was writing notes for the show.

799
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: But I did like kind of stopped too every time

800
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: a Leah was on screen, which was not that much like, yeah,

801
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: I would, you know, go over and see her makeup

802
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: looked so good. That's not the movie was. That's not

803
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: very gay at all. No, and the movie, I mean

804
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I knew that the movie was not um well received

805
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: um and also that was oh really, I loved it, Okay.

806
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: I went to see it the day it opened alone.

807
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I was not that actively engaged in it, so it

808
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: can't be like a fair judge, but it was. I

809
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: felt like there it could have been way more thrilling.

810
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: But I thought that the rebranding of Liststat as a

811
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: rock Star is like so cool. The whole soundtrack for

812
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: that movie is amazing, And I think that vampires as

813
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: rock Stars or honestly just like any time, um, someone

814
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: wants to have a new take on a vampire like that,

815
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm just immediately engaged. And I also I guess this

816
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: it was tragically like all shot right before lead was

817
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: the last thing she did before she died. Yeah, and

818
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: they the movie's dedicated. It came out, it came out

819
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: after her death. It's it's posthumous. But it's very different

820
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: from the book. Um. The book is much goes much

821
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: deeper into the lore of how the vampires were created

822
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: and how Akasha came to be, which I think is

823
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: really interesting. I found out a really fun factor when

824
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: I was reading about Queen of the Damn. Apparently, when

825
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: they were filming that like kind of concert seen in

826
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: Death Valley, they filled like busses with over three thousand

827
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: goths and transported them to the Melbourne night clubs. That

828
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: is so powerful. Three thousand goths, three thousand goths on

829
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: on a bus to death How much eyeliner? That is.

830
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: The whole way that Queen of the Damn starts is

831
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: that list out is like, well, I'm bored, so I'm

832
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: gonna go sleep for a couple of decades, and then

833
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the only thing that wakes him up is he hears

834
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: rock and roll and he's like, Okay, I'm gonna be

835
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: a rock starter. Here we Go. Yeah, and there's also

836
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: Here we Go. Can you imagine God doing a vampire

837
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: version of song? Gaga literally has played a vampire. She

838
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: was the Countess an American Horror Story Hotel. The Countess

839
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: is a vampire. Yeah, did you not watch Hotel? No?

840
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: I haven't. I would love to forgot to put that

841
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: on the list as a hotel. It's a it's a weird.

842
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: Is that the only HS that has like true vampires

843
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: in it? Because I don't remember any other vampires. I think, Wow,

844
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Double Feature, which was the most recent season,

845
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: but I don't think those were vampire. I don't think

846
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: anybody has watched any recent season of American Horror Story

847
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: or I have yet to meet one. Okay, so back

848
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: to Anne Rice. You know, her vampires I think are

849
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: gay but sexless. Which is probably why Anne Rice was

850
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: so against fan fiction. Is because all people wanted to

851
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: do was make them was make them fuck, and and

852
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: Rice was like, no, you can't take my toys and

853
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: make them kiss, which is like, it's like, you know,

854
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: it's really shitty when creators like that, but said she

855
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: used to send out cease and desist letters. That's so bad,

856
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: I know. But she did later change her views on

857
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: fan fiction and said she was fine with it. She

858
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: also did become a born again Christian very late in life,

859
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: and so a lot of the later Vampire Chronicles books

860
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: are very religious and like have lots of weird God

861
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: should in them. Also you find out that maybe vampires

862
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: are aliens or like we're descended from aliens. I don't know.

863
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: It got weird towards the end. But the virgins can't

864
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: see my face, but I'm really scowling now. The idea

865
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: of Christian vampires sounds like loser behavior. But you know,

866
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Anne Rice did move vampires in a gayer direction in

867
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: the culture. And I think the thing that really was

868
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: the final nail in the coffin, Tomato Tomatotato was And

869
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: I know we're skipping over Buffy, but we have talked

870
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: about Buffy at length. Um, And Buffy was not very

871
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: gay besides Willow, and she was only a vampire in

872
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: a couple episodes. Um, And I mean it is interesting

873
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: that the first time she was gay was when she

874
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: was a vampire. But the thing that was the finally

875
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: on the coffin, huh, was True Blood, which I think

876
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: is kind of the first real mainstream media property in

877
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: which vampires were fucking gay like and also very bisexual

878
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: and and not in like there were a couple of

879
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: gay vampires that every vampire on that show was that

880
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: was bisexual like like truly by like tread and true

881
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: by and effortlessly by like it was never really or

882
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: rather sorry, I've only watched the first three episodes, but

883
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: like I, from what I understand, it is not like, um,

884
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of they don't problematize things that

885
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: are usually kind of considered like socially wary and like

886
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: our our universes. And something that was really interesting to

887
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: me was just like how, um, every character in the

888
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: show is really hot and an immediate erotic tension between

889
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: pretty much every character as soon as they enter any room. Yes,

890
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: and that really is doubled down on throughout the series,

891
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: which ran for I think eight seasons. Maybe what would

892
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: your take be on like the ark of True Blood

893
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: in terms of like quality or a fan reception, or

894
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: even just your personal experience of watching the show, Because

895
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: you're such a kind of a die hard fan. Yeah,

896
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: so I would say it really captured the public consciousness

897
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: kind of immediately. It was very much that must watch

898
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: Sunday night show. Um. It also got some early awards

899
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: recognition and a pack when won a Golden Globe for

900
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: the first season, which is a bit of an l

901
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: I would never expect that because the sex scenes are

902
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: really porny, like really good, but it was, um, you know,

903
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: it was the kind of cultural phenomenon where there's a

904
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: really iconic rolling stone cover of Anna Paquin and Alexander

905
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: scars Garden, the actor who played Bill, and they're covered

906
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: in blood. So it was like it was that kind

907
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: of pop culture phenomenon. In terms of quality, season two

908
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: is incredible, Season three is also incredible. Season four it

909
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: kind of starts getting weird and then it declines. It

910
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: is a decline from there, and then the final season

911
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: is awful and truly the serious finale is the worst

912
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: serious finale of any TV show I have ever seen,

913
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: worsting Game of Thrones. Yeah, wow, that's saying something. Yeah,

914
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: we're so I mean, on par with Game of Thrones.

915
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: But you know, the first couple of seasons are so good,

916
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you have someone like Alan Ball, who

917
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: did American Beauty. He Um was the creator of six

918
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: ft Under and this was I think kind of um

919
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: at the time, maybe like a surprising thing for him

920
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: to do was adapt these So I don't know if

921
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: you know this, but True Blood is based off of

922
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: a series of romance novels by Charlene Harris, the Sukie

923
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: Stackhouse novels, The Suki Stacks. Now, I cannot believe. When

924
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: I watched episode one, was like, what's your name? Sick

925
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: stack Has And I'm like, Bill is not hot, No,

926
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: he is. He is sexy. He is the sexiest he

927
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: will ever be in the entire show, in the pilot

928
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: and then never again. Well he does get uglier actually,

929
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not saying that he was sexy.

930
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying he is the sexiest he ever was in

931
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: the pilot and then never again. Yeah, he looks like

932
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: like an Easter Easter Island like kind of egghead. And

933
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: this is also a problem that a lot of vampire

934
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: media has to contend with, which is that these shows

935
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: going for so long in the actor's age, yet they're

936
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be playing immortal character. Yeah. I think that's

937
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: especially bad with sort of teen vampire stuff. I think

938
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: with you know, elderly vampires, you can fudget a little bit,

939
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: but it is a bit of a problem. But as

940
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, this was I think a

941
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: surprising thing for for for Alan Ball to do when

942
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: it came out, but you know, he talked about it

943
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: a lot of the time as and I think it's

944
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: very obvious in the show right from the beginning that

945
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: the vampires are a direct metaphor for Queerness. I mean

946
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: they talk about how the vampires came out of the

947
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: coffin and revealed themselves. And I think it's a really

948
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: interesting premisephore a show which is not only this you know,

949
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: like Southern Gothic romantic melodrama, but also what would the

950
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: world be like if all of a sudden we were

951
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: living alongside vampires? Right? The humans versus vampires trope I

952
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: think is probably most effective in this show than any

953
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: other like vampire thing that I have watched, because it's

954
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: it's honestly giving a little X men like there is

955
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: this totally this new class of people that are societally

956
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: ostracized because of you know, their their history and their

957
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: kind of like conception of this group of people, and

958
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: vampires are like, um, vampires are no more violent than humans.

959
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Didn't you guys start wars? Didn't you guys have slaves?

960
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Like vampires never had slaves, You know what I mean.

961
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: It's like, I thought that was so interesting. I was

962
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of shook by when did this? When did the

963
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: When was the pilot like early odds like it was

964
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: UM two thousands seven maybe yeah, And in the first

965
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: episode there's a literal, like an almost literal Karen in

966
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: the first episode where she's like, can't speak to the

967
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: manager and she's kind of accosting Um the black the

968
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: black character. I can't remember her name. She's amazing. I'm

969
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm just just watched the show last night, UM,

970
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: and Kara does say UM. One thing I like that

971
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: she says is in I think the third episode when

972
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: she's covering for Jason UM, and she says that she

973
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: didn't when she's lying and saying she didn't want anyone

974
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: to know because of them being an interracial relationship. And

975
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: she even says, like, you know, everyone thinks that now

976
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: with vampires that people don't care as much about race,

977
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: but they still do. And like, I think that's such

978
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: an interesting thing to throw into the mixes, like what

979
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: happens to oppression and you know, like the way that

980
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: people are marginalized when a new marginalized classes introduced, you know,

981
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: like this late into society. Yeah, it was. It was

982
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: an amazing like mini monologue. And it was funny because

983
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: it's like it was a full lie to like cover

984
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: the ass of like her crush essentially. But she was

985
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: but she was so smart. She was like she was like,

986
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: all y'all are out here like staring at anapaquin or

987
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: whatever for like wanting to get with a vampire, but

988
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: like people stare at us an interracial couple couple like

989
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: every day or whatever. And I was like, damn, Like

990
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: that is a metaphor. Yeah, and sometimes on True Leod

991
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: the metaphor is very heavy handed, but but it works

992
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: and it's i mean, True Blood is so hot. The

993
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: sex scenes are so good and it is really all

994
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: every character is by. Every character has some kind of

995
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: same sex encounter at some point in the show. Something

996
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: that is introduced pretty early on I think you'll have

997
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: already seen it is that when the vampires give a

998
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: human their blood, it means that they start having sexy

999
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: dreams about them. Right, Wait, I didn't. Okay, when humans

1000
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: drinking vampire blood is something that also happens in Rice,

1001
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: what is this trope? I don't. I didn't actually totally

1002
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: understand it when I was watching True Blood. Well, it's

1003
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: something that is used in different ways in different kinds

1004
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: of vampire stories. So usually the way that someone has

1005
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: turned into a vampires being fed vampire blood, but a

1006
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: lot of different vampire media also uses vampire blood as

1007
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: a way to heal humans. Um. I think True Blood

1008
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: is the only one at this scale that introduces the

1009
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: idea of vampire blood is an aphrodisiac and even a drug.

1010
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: And that gets even further complicated later into the first

1011
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: season where you see people who are addicted to v UM,

1012
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: which I think is really fun and interesting that it's

1013
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: this like psychedelic drug that can also like heal your wounds.

1014
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It becomes like an underground kind of

1015
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: like drug moment um, the kind of U and I

1016
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: would do v in a second. The if you don't know,

1017
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: actually the miss of True Blood, I think the premises

1018
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: like brilliant um. Basically UM vampires have like kind of

1019
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: revealed themselves to some extent in society and are asking

1020
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: for the same rights that humans have, and they're asking

1021
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: to like live peacefully and civilly among humans. And obviously

1022
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: there's a huge class of humans, usually humans that are

1023
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of moved by Christianity, that don't want vampires to

1024
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: be a part of their society. And vampires are like, look,

1025
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: there's this new thing called true blood that is synthetically

1026
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: created blood that we can satiate ourselves with so we

1027
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: never have to drink human blood, so y'all are safe,

1028
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: which obviously the pilot is revealing that that's not you know,

1029
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: people still eat humans and whatever. Yeah, there's also a

1030
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, class of vampires who didn't want to come

1031
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: out of the coffin and who still want to exist

1032
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: on the fringes of society so that they can do

1033
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: whatever they want. And that is an ongoing tension throughout

1034
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: the series. Also, every season of the show kind of

1035
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: introduces a new supernatural creature um who becomes kind of

1036
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: a focal point and in racks with the others. But

1037
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, we're obviously mostly concerned about the vampires. But

1038
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying about the the ingesting

1039
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: vampire blood, is something that happens over and over again,

1040
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: is you know, like a human character will get seriously

1041
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: injured and they have to have some vampire blood and

1042
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: then they start having sex dreams of the vampire. So

1043
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: that happens with Sam and Bill at one point they

1044
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of a sexy scene. It happens with Jason and Eric.

1045
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: Jason has a gay thing. Oh yeah, Jason has a

1046
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: couple of gay things. What Jason. There's a really great

1047
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: gay vampire who's in love with Jason in the second season.

1048
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Jason's a great character. He's kind of

1049
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: like a He's the Primaria is the himbo. Yeah. Um.

1050
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: And I also, you know, just as you said at

1051
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: the top of the show, like True Blood was one

1052
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: of the first things to be like, vampires fuck, vampires

1053
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: are gay. And I really do feel like, like, because

1054
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: vampires are canonically bisexual, we at like a Virgin podcast,

1055
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: declare that if few are making a vampire narrative of

1056
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: any kind and these vampires are not by it's historically inaccurate. Yes,

1057
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Speaker 1: which is which is why I have such an issue

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Speaker 1: with the Vampire Diaries, which kind of came out around

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: the same time as True blood, but you also like

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01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of liked it, right. I watched the first couple

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01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: of seasons. There are I think throughout the entire course

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Speaker 1: of the show, which was on for like you know,

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01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: it's a c W show, so probably like twenty seasons. Um,

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Speaker 1: there were maybe I've actually have watched. There's a really

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01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: good Jenny Nicholson video about the entirety of the Vampire Diaries,

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Speaker 1: so watch the on YouTube if you're interested. I think

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01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: there's like four gay characters throughout the entire show, and

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Speaker 1: none of them are vampires, but all the vampires on

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01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: that show were very straight and it well, but it's

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01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: also a very post Twilight show and that it's trying

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: to capture the y a vampire fervor that was happening

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, and so because of that,

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01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: it like it does kind of deal in the same

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of compulsory heterosexuality that Twilight did, but it's also

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: a very I haven't watched the later seasons, but through

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01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: watching that Johnny Nicholson video, I've seen clips from it

1077
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: and it is a really good example of you cannot

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: do a vampire show for like eight seasons where people

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: are supposed to be playing teenage vampires because by the

1080
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: end they look old like like Airline, they look like Pearl,

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: look like Pearl and X. Something that is not explored

1082
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: a lot is vampire children. It's touched on a little

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01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: bit in Twilight and obviously an interview with the vampire Um.

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing with Claudia's that she is a

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01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: woman whose mind keeps aging, but she's stuck in the

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01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: body of the child, and that is even Um of

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01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: Gorrier in the books. In the book, what you find

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01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: out is that the way that things play out from

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01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Louie's point of view, which is that Claudia was just

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01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: captured by the vampire theater and then put to death,

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01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: is actually not the whole story. Claudia kind of made

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01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: a deal with Armand that she would leave Louis if

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01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: armand could help her get an adult body. Armand played

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01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: by Antonia Manderaz. So they do things like they cut

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: Claudia's head off and try to put it on the

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01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: body of an adult vampire and think that the healing

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: will like connect it, but it doesn't work out, and

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: so she they just end up killing her because they're like, well,

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01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: whatever that flopped. UM but I bring this up because

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01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: another piece of vampire media that came out around this time,

1101
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: like early early, it's like maybe like around is the

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01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: Swedish film let the right one in Have you ever

1103
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: seen it? I think you've talked about it before, but

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we talked about it. To me, it's

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01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: one of my it's one of my favorite movies. Um.

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01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: It's about a child vampire who makes friends with this

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: little boy who's like kind of a loser, and she

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: is like maybe intersects. That's something that's more explored in

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: the book than in the film. And she has this

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: man that cares for her because you know, this is

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: another trope in vampire media is that vampires often have

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01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: a you know, a henchman or someone who's in their

1113
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: thrall who does the things that they can't do in

1114
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: the daytime, Like Renfield in Dracula. Um, she has this

1115
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: like little helper man who's a pedophile who's like obsessed

1116
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: with her, and that's how she's able to get him to,

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01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, find people for her to feed on because

1118
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: she's too little to do it. She can't like hunt

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Speaker 1: on her own. So this man goes out and kills

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Speaker 1: people for her to feed off of. Oh my gosh. Um, Now,

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Speaker 1: since you're talking about like, um, child vampires, I know

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01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: you you're not big on adult cartoons. I also used

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: to say I'm not bigger on adult cartoons, but I'm

1124
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: realizing how many adult cartoons I actually really do watch. Um.

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: Adventure Time is one of my favorite adult cartoons, and

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: there's a serious regular character called Marceline Vampire Queen. Have

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: you ever heard of her? Yes, I have watched some

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01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: Adventure Really it's it's I know it's not for me. Yeah,

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: I know it's not your t um really great world building.

1130
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: But something that I think is like worth remarking with

1131
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: Marcelline specifically, is like, I mean, first of all, yeah,

1132
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: they're like all these characters are young, so their world

1133
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: is like very like childlike an immature and like, um nonsensical,

1134
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: and I kind of like love that. Um. But in

1135
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: this world, Marcelyn sucks the color red out of objects

1136
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: like strawberries or like you know, like clothing or whatever,

1137
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: which I think is cute. And she also instead of

1138
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: turning into a bat, she kind of turns into this

1139
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: like giant, like anthropomorphized like bat monster. And she also

1140
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: is like she plays music, like she plays a guitar

1141
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: in the shape of like a double headed axe. Like

1142
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: it's so cool, and they're like and that for me,

1143
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: Like when I'm exploring any sort of like vampire like

1144
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: franchise at like I want to see you invent something

1145
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: like we all know and that I think a lot

1146
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: of like the things that we've discussed today, do do that?

1147
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We do? Do do do

1148
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: do that? Um? We all know the tropes of vampires, right,

1149
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: it's at the top of Interview with a vampire where

1150
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: the interviewer is like, so can I kill you with

1151
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: a steak? So? Do you hate the sunlight? So what

1152
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: about garlics? So what about the coffin thing? You know,

1153
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of like confirming or debunking these things we

1154
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: historically know about vampires and Anne Rice setting her world

1155
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: of vampires saying, this is what vampires do, So like

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01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Like when Inventure Time is like, this

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: is what vampires do. It's like their rock stars and

1158
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: they play music, and like I just like we'll always

1159
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And there's also um, she's like at the

1160
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: when she's introduced, she's like high key, like a landlord,

1161
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: Like she evicts Finn from like his apartment or something

1162
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: like that. It's really funny. And he's really scared of

1163
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: Marceline at first because she's a literal vampire. And when

1164
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: they get into their very first altercation at the end

1165
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: of the episode, they end up like, I having some

1166
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: kind of fun and they get into this fight and

1167
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: and Finn goes like, why didn't you kill me? And

1168
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: she's like, because I'm having fun, you know, And that

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01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: is kind of what happens in every vampire movie and

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01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: show ever. It's like, why don't you just kill her?

1171
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: And the vampire is like, because I'm having fun. Because

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: the angst of my immortality, which the anguish of immortality,

1173
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: is in every single vampire story ever, and it's soothed

1174
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: by companionship every time. I think, what every new vampire

1175
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: story has to do is reckon with how does that

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01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of vampire deal with that? Is it by wanting

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: the companionship of another vampire, by wanting an immortal companion?

1178
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: Is that by wanting, you know, a human plaything all

1179
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: the time. Is it by wanting to just go out

1180
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: and murder people? Is it by wanting to like an

1181
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: Only Lover's Left Alive, which is a great little indie

1182
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: film starring Tildas Winton and Tom Hiddleston. All the vampires

1183
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: want to do is they just want to go see

1184
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: live music all the time, Like that's how they spend

1185
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: their turn. Yeah I heard about that, and um yeah,

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01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: that's that's. That's what happens when you have a mythical

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01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: being that exists in this much TV, movies, literature, anything,

1188
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: and have so many tropes associated with them, is you

1189
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: have to find a way to put a new spin

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: on it. And I think what creators do is they

1191
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: either lean really hard into what's come before or completely rejected.

1192
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: So like on one side you have Stephanie Meyer who's like,

1193
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: my vampires sparkle and like they don't have things, or

1194
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: you have something like what we do in The Shadows,

1195
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: which is we're going to lean into every existing vampire

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: trope to use as like a short hand to make

1197
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: this funny. So it's like we're bit we're playing in

1198
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: a sandbox that already exists, and that's the whole fun

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: of and making the tropes like way goofi or more extreme.

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't seen it one thing I hate

1201
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: in vampire stuff is when the vampires desperately want to

1202
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: become human again, because that's just when does that is

1203
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: that kind of in and it's a thing in blood,

1204
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: it's a thing in Vampire Diaries. It does happen to

1205
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: I think maybe a couple of characters in and right,

1206
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: like they're transformed back to humans somehow. It's a thing.

1207
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: And Buffy, Um, it's a thing in Oh this book.

1208
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: I just read Reluctant Immortals, which is about Lucy from

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01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: Dracula and Bertha, Rochester's first wife in Jane Eyre, the

1210
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: Madam and in the Attic, and it's about them being

1211
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: immortal beings who have found each other and they lived

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: together in nineteen sixties Los Angeles. I did not know

1213
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: that the woman in the attic was named Bertha. Her

1214
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: name's Bertha. Um, you've never read White sargassoc. That's a Charlotte,

1215
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: that's a Bronte Sisters. No, it was written by a

1216
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: gene Rice, and it's a sort of feminist retelling of

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01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: Jane Eyre from the point of view of Bertha. Oh

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: my god. And so in this novel it kind of

1219
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: takes some liberties with Jane are obviously, and it's like

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: Rochester like somehow made Bertha immortal, and he and Jane

1221
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: are also immortal. And at some point Bertha like linked

1222
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: up with Lucy who killed Dracula and now keeps his

1223
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: ashes so that he'll never be able to like reconstitute

1224
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: himself and you know, terrorize her again and then just

1225
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: kind of like hating being immortal, and like spoiler alert,

1226
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: the book ends with them aging again. And so why

1227
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: do you hate that troupe? I think it's because vampire

1228
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: media has to show vampires as wanting to be human

1229
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: because humans are watching or reading, or you know, in

1230
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: some way imbibing the story, and so you have deposit

1231
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: that humanity is the ideal um and that to me

1232
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: is boring. I think it would be a vampire Okay,

1233
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: I agree, because that thing that I said earlier about

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 1: like the anguish of immortality that shows up in all

1235
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: of these titles is like repetitive, or at least I

1236
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: felt that when when I was watching Interview with a

1237
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: Vampire specifically, I was like, Louis is literally just floating

1238
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: through centuries of life hating being a vampire, and nothing

1239
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: is really happening beyond that. I mean, I really liked

1240
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: the movie, just you know, for the record, but I

1241
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: I did also find it kind of repetitive, and I'm

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: curious what's the like nuancing of that, right, Like, I

1243
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: think that when like humanity and immortality clash in all

1244
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: these different narratives, there's almost a missed opportunity for them

1245
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 1: to have a new conversation around like what it means

1246
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: to live forever or not and what the appeals are

1247
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 1: are not because yeah, I do feel like it's repetitive,

1248
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: it does bring us full circle back to our question

1249
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: of the top of the episode, which is would you

1250
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: want to live forever? Would you want to be a vampire?

1251
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: The idea of vampire orgies and eternal wisdom are really

1252
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 1: appealing to me. I think that that is something I

1253
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: could funk with, But not if I was in a

1254
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of societal situation where everyone was hunting me. I

1255
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: think that would cause a lot of anxiety. Would kind

1256
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: of feel like being canceled. It kind of like I

1257
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: would be a full recluse, like scared to leave the

1258
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: house and would delete all my social media. That's why

1259
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: I want to know. I think honestly, I as much

1260
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: as I am attracted to vampires in books and TV

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: and movies. Um, I think they are endlessly fascinating and

1262
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: I love all the new ways that they're explored. I

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: don't think I want to be one because when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to it, I just I don't want to

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Speaker 1: live forever. That is like, honestly the worst thing I

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Speaker 1: can imagine. So you and I should co write a

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Speaker 1: weird al Yankovic kind of like spoof of Queens who

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Speaker 1: wants to Live Forever? And it can be called who

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Speaker 1: Doesn't want to Live Forever? I don't want to live forever?

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Speaker 1: So it's just a song about suicide. Yeah, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be a vampire. But if you

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Speaker 1: were a vampire, which m vampire universe, of all the

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Speaker 1: things we've discussed, would you want to be in? Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is a great question, a question you wrote, I

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Speaker 1: must say, yeah. So honestly, I think there's different pros

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Speaker 1: and cons. Okay, I don't want to be an an

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Speaker 1: Rice vampire because I want to be able to fun,

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Speaker 1: you want to fuck. I don't want to be a

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Speaker 1: buffy vampire because they're you know, demons and they also

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Speaker 1: you know, have an ugly face. They do have ugly face.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be, you know, like a Dracula vampire,

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Speaker 1: although I guess turning into a bat would be cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say I actually think true blood vampires

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Speaker 1: are kind of the ideal because they are sexy, they fuck,

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Speaker 1: they have superpowers. The downside is like having to sleep

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Speaker 1: in a coffin and not being able to go out

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Speaker 1: in the sun. But like, I wear a ton of

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Speaker 1: SPF every day anyway, try to be in the sun

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Speaker 1: as little as possible, So I think like that kind

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Speaker 1: of works out. Yeah, vampires really, you know, they have

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Speaker 1: an issue with sunlight. But like, girl, just get some

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Speaker 1: supp get some supergroup girl, get some SPF, get some

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Speaker 1: unseen sunscreen. Okay, Um, I think I would also say

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Speaker 1: true blood. My first instinct was to say Adventure Time

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Speaker 1: because I just think the world is so fun and

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Speaker 1: innocent and that the steaks are a lot lower. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to fuck um. And also a lot

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Speaker 1: of adventure Time takes place in space, which you and

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Speaker 1: I on this podcast have no no, we do not.

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Speaker 1: We do not endorse space in the concept space famously

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Speaker 1: very far away. Um, we do not funk with it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I would pick true blood. Okay, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be true blood vampires, but I'm not drinking that

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Speaker 1: synthetic ship. I want organic, homegrown, farm to table blood. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love the line in the pilot that honestly outlines

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Speaker 1: the tension of probably the whole season, where I think

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Speaker 1: anapaq one is like, well they have true blood now

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Speaker 1: like it's athetic black blah blah blah. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: would you give up a life of eating like fresh

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Speaker 1: food for slim fast? And I was like, yeah, tea,

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Speaker 1: no nobody would. I wouldn't know. I want to live deliciously.

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Speaker 1: I do want to live deliciously, um, just not immortally. No,

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Speaker 1: I do not want to live forever. I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to live the rest of this week. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to all of our Halloween episodes. It's

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Speaker 1: been such a fun month of doing these. I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: very sad that we won't be doing spooky stuff anymore,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure we'll have some, you know, special surprises

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Speaker 1: and exciting things happening for the holidays. We like a version,

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Speaker 1: also believe in spooky behavior all year long. That is true.

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Speaker 1: You know they say that Pride is three five days

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Speaker 1: a year, but Oooky Spooky is three hundred sixty five

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Speaker 1: days a year. Pride does not three d six or

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Speaker 1: five days a year. Pride is actually zero daisy. But

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Speaker 1: next week we'll be back, um sadly, you know, without

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Speaker 1: a bonus episode. We'll be back to our regularly scheduled

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Speaker 1: programming and let us know what you think about vampires,

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Speaker 1: which vampire you want to fuck the most? Also, like

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Speaker 1: tell us what you thought of our you know, super

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Speaker 1: special Halloween bonus episodes. You can slide into our d

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