WEBVTT - Countdown w/ Andrea Bowen

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories. Dune Done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up, a SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink. I'm the other one,

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Traeger. We talk SVU, we talk crimes, we have guests.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a jam packed podcast with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work that maybe we didn't consider before we.

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<v Speaker 3>Started the podcast. JK.

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<v Speaker 2>We love it so much, so true so, but up

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<v Speaker 2>top we like to chitchat catch up. We've been in

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<v Speaker 2>different states, Cara, I mean luckily I got to see

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<v Speaker 2>you for one little drinks moment yeah, last week. But

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<v Speaker 2>really we've been separate for months. I know that it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the pandemic again. But JK, we're out in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Forbid. I everything's good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I went on a two week amazing trip with my

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<v Speaker 1>kids to Vermont and to the East Coast, saw some family,

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<v Speaker 1>went to my summer camp.

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<v Speaker 3>It was awesome. Everything was great. The kids were good

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<v Speaker 3>on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Plane, like except Rosie Pete on herself on purpose in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, and I forgot to bring her extra pants,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was just butt out the entire like half

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<v Speaker 1>of the flight. And then one of the flight attendants

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what happened to your pants? And Rosie was like, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 1>would not keep a blanket around yourself? I keep getting

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble for having Rosie naked from the waist down

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<v Speaker 1>at different places. Anyway, I wanted to just say one

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<v Speaker 1>quick thing because I know you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>scoop for me right now. I just caught up watching

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<v Speaker 1>like four or five episodes of OC last night, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love that show.

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<v Speaker 3>I am really.

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<v Speaker 1>Loving Organized Crime, not the OC starring Misha Barton, OC

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<v Speaker 1>Organized Crime Christopher Maloney spin off. It is so different

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<v Speaker 1>from SVU. It moves so quickly. They resolve plotline so quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I watch all these shows that are

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<v Speaker 1>like thrillery and you're like, what happened to that guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? Are they ever gonna pay off this one?

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<v Speaker 1>And I get that there's like an art to like

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<v Speaker 1>leaving a lot of different storyline simmering and then getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to them. No, this show uses all this crazy

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<v Speaker 1>technology that's probably not even real. They're like found him

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<v Speaker 1>found this girl like stables chasing down hit women. He

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<v Speaker 1>just chased a hit woman through the streets through a

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<v Speaker 1>fashion show. Like it's crazy. That's free advertisement. They have

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<v Speaker 1>not paid us. And I'm just telling you, guys, get

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<v Speaker 1>into OC.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm liking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, I've been seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>buzz with people that we know really liking the new

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<v Speaker 2>selling the OC. It's like a spinning it's a spinoff

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<v Speaker 2>of Selling Sunset called Selling OC. And the tweets I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that it's one of the best realities shows of

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<v Speaker 2>all time, that it's unhitched and insane, that it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the best television from people I respect, that love that

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<v Speaker 2>love TV, and so I'm excited. I tried to watch

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<v Speaker 2>last night, but I was way too drunk and I

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<v Speaker 2>just needed Seinfeld.

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<v Speaker 3>I found a new hairbo sour Kicks.

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<v Speaker 2>They're little sneakers and no one was I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>these are fresh. I'm like, this is a new batch

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<v Speaker 2>like feel the texture, and everyone was I was with

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<v Speaker 2>was like, wow, this is the freshest texture ever. I go, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like a pro on gummy candies, like this is good,

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<v Speaker 2>such good flavors. If you see the Harbo Sour Kicks.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a sour grape flavor. Can you fucking believe that

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<v Speaker 2>it's It's good? Yeah, it was really good. But so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to watch that. I am so pumped for

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay and Carl from Summerhouse that they got engaged. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sad that I got into Summerhouse, but I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>it and I'm so happy for them.

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<v Speaker 3>So shout out to Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't watch, but wasn't it like forever? Her being like,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we date? And him being like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And then they finally get together. No, there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>more nuanced to that carey.

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<v Speaker 3>So they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They are best friends, and then there's one night where

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<v Speaker 2>he fingers her but they don't even make out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just like a loose fingering, and so then it gets

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<v Speaker 2>like talk to him, So he gets talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>the house and he's like so scared that it's spread,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, hey, I don't want you to be mad,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone knows about the fingering, and she goes, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care, and so then they end up going on

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<v Speaker 2>a date, but they are scared because their friendship means

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to them, and then the date, like it

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't work out because she's like, Okay, well let's

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<v Speaker 2>do this, and he's like this is just too much

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<v Speaker 2>for me. But the other layers are she is in

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<v Speaker 2>her thirties, once children, like she's ready to settle down

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<v Speaker 2>for him. Throughout these seasons, Sadly, his brother died of

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<v Speaker 2>an overdose and it was really sad. I mean, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the first person he went and told, like they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They have truly been very great friends, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>to then come to terms with his own sobriety and

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<v Speaker 2>so he's been like work focusing on his sobriety. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple relapsed, but he's really good. He's been sober now

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<v Speaker 2>for a while. And so then by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the last season they were she was just like listen,

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<v Speaker 2>like I have feelings for you, like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you want, and he goes, let's do this. And

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<v Speaker 2>they've been together ever since, and she stopped drinking to

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<v Speaker 2>like help him as well, and so they're both kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sober right now and they got engaged and it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing with her, a lot of her storyline

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<v Speaker 2>is like the other girls and people judge her because

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<v Speaker 2>she is a drunk slut and they're all mad at

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<v Speaker 2>her about it. Like one person shamed her for partying

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<v Speaker 2>because she had had a miscarriage, so like because she

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<v Speaker 2>had a miscarriage, they were like, what is this a brothel?

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<v Speaker 2>And she goes, what's this double standard? Like you're not

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<v Speaker 2>You're not mad at Luke, Like he's a slut just

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<v Speaker 2>like I am. And the girl goes, well, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a mis carriage, Like this is the way people

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<v Speaker 2>speak to Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>And she just is who she is and everyone always

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<v Speaker 2>has an issue. Like one of her ex boyfriends, like

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<v Speaker 2>she gets drunk and likes to take her titties out

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<v Speaker 2>and he would be pissed. And it's like Carl just

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<v Speaker 2>loves her for who she is, and like they just

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<v Speaker 2>are really cute and I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't believe that like two people that like we're on

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<v Speaker 1>this show about like debaucherous like hooking up, are now

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<v Speaker 1>like we found monogamy and sobriety together on this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Lived in the same building in Manhattan and like also

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<v Speaker 2>like while Lindsay was you know after this Smithscharage like

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<v Speaker 2>trying to have a great summer. They also like hate

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<v Speaker 2>like the there's one really toxic relationship on that show,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle and Amanda, and it's like horrific.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, Kyle went to my college. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a know this is our friend? Do our friends

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<v Speaker 3>know this?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've told her Kyle went is a two

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<v Speaker 1>or three years behind me. I think he was a

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<v Speaker 1>freshman when I was a senior.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're reallylationships is horrible, Like before the wedding, they're crying,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't fuck, they fight all the time. She breaks

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<v Speaker 2>his toilet, like I kinda watch fucking summer. They have

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<v Speaker 2>like a business together. It's like love your voice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so eventually he's like telling one of her friends,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, we have nothing in common except the business.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they are the most awful relationship. She's always crying.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like they never look like they're having fun, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet the whole time they're like, lindsay, are you even happy?

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<v Speaker 3>Your life is a mess?

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<v Speaker 2>Your life's a mess, Like you're such a this than that,

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<v Speaker 2>And she's just like, I own my own PR firm.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hot as head, Like what's going on here? And

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<v Speaker 2>so I just love that, like they came up out

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<v Speaker 2>on top of like having this like beautiful relationship and

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<v Speaker 2>I wish them all the best. And so I I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I only started watching the show maybe two and a

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<v Speaker 2>half weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not I would die for Lindsay Hubbard. I

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<v Speaker 3>would die for her.

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot believe you started two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were like I knew you were a

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<v Speaker 1>like a og summers.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably a three week So yeah, I was wing extremely

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<v Speaker 3>important to me for the last three weeks of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because you know, my best friend uh lives here

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't see each other that often, and we

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<v Speaker 2>both are TV people. So there were a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days where we did not leave the couch and we

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<v Speaker 2>watched Summer House for.

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<v Speaker 3>Like ten hours a day. Oh wow, minimum to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be I love the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a day where you can just watch TV

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<v Speaker 3>all day. It's so fun. My husband doesn't like to binge,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I'm just like really happy for them. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>we had to talk about Body's Body's Body is this

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe you haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the new cat person remember that, like

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<v Speaker 1>article called cat Person that everybody was talking about, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there was like the other like there's all these

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<v Speaker 1>like articles like and everyone's like, have you have you

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<v Speaker 1>read cat Person?

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<v Speaker 3>Like this is different.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically it's a horror movie like Clue Who Done It?

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<v Speaker 2>But with like gen z vibes, Rachel sent it's in it. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a trailer. Yeah it looks amazing. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see it. So this critic arts critic at

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<v Speaker 2>the Times wrote in her review, they wrote, ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of this movie is an advertisement for cleavage.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all about titties.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the actresses from that show did not

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<v Speaker 2>from the movie. Didn't like that, so privately DMD this

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<v Speaker 2>critic and just wrote, maybe if you weren't so focused

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<v Speaker 2>on our tits, you could have watched the movie because

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<v Speaker 2>it's good, like something like that, like you know, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of looking at her.

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<v Speaker 3>Tits, watch the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So this critic decides to publicly show everyone this private DM,

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<v Speaker 2>but still spin it like they're like a victim where

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<v Speaker 2>they're like these power dynamics. I will not be treated

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<v Speaker 2>like this, And it's like it was a private DM,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're making it public.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no power dynamic. Yeah, so the power dynamic.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a black actress, Like, were what power dynamics

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<v Speaker 2>are you actually talking about? And I don't know either

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<v Speaker 2>of your names, none of you. I don't you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It's like what power? So she and

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<v Speaker 2>then people start piling on her because she's so annoying,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a TikTok on surfaces from a while ago

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<v Speaker 2>where she's just like five tips on how to be

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<v Speaker 2>a successful writer, and then the first ones like have talent.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just talented. I don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even have real formal training, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>I am an incredible writer too, have an amazing point

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<v Speaker 2>of view. You don't have to know the right point

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<v Speaker 2>of view, but I have a very strong point of

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<v Speaker 2>view on arts and criticism. And like keeps just talking

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<v Speaker 2>about She's like, my therapist would love how positive I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being about myself because I never say nice things about myself.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's talking about like how to be a writer,

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<v Speaker 3>how she's so good, how her first article was barely

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<v Speaker 3>edited and made the cover of the Arts and Culture

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<v Speaker 3>section comes out. Her father works at the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>Her father's worked at the New York Times for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, and like that works a baby, and this

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<v Speaker 2>person has the audacity to make a thing going.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just talented. I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like publishing a private DM and maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>this actress who cares about criticism, but also she was

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed but it was so that it blew up. And

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<v Speaker 2>this girl now has you know, deleted her TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>she's gone, no writer, Yeah, out of ran her out

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<v Speaker 2>of town. Maybe she'll write another article or something. But

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<v Speaker 2>she was just dragged and she seems annoying. She sounded annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a bike hanging on her wall, like nothing

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<v Speaker 2>was good about the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Okay, I missed this whole drama.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did see the trailer for Bodies, Bodies, Bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to think of where I saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I it looks good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see Marcel Dechelle, me too. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>other one someone said was good, but like I, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to because it's so hot here everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to see in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be in the hundreds this week in La,

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to see Morcella sholl. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to make me cry. Wait, tell me about your shows.

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<v Speaker 1>That Caroline's really quick before we start our episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it was awesome. It felt so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I just really felt like the coolest girl in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, headlining Carolines and running to the cellar and

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<v Speaker 2>doing three spots at a night. Like it was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like who am I like, no, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it just felt cool. But the last and I met

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of listeners. Thank you for coming. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Such cuties, fun photos, like cool people. So the last show,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple and their energy was weird, and

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<v Speaker 2>we figured out that they had met at the airport

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<v Speaker 2>that day.

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<v Speaker 3>What right.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's a group of six women in their sixties

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<v Speaker 2>and they've been friends for fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that they were doing a girl's trip.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw Michael Jackson the Musical in the day and

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa Tragger at night.

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<v Speaker 3>They were going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Handle Inn Matine and Sunday they were just like ready

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<v Speaker 2>to drink.

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<v Speaker 3>It was awesome. Then there was a couple making out

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<v Speaker 3>dressed sexies.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went, okay, what's your energy? You guys are

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<v Speaker 2>clearly cheating on people. And they were because I've like

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<v Speaker 2>used that line before in my standa and it's usually

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<v Speaker 2>like haha, yeah, but this was like legit and they're

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<v Speaker 2>both from out of state and flew in to cheat,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was just and then there was a

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<v Speaker 2>private chef from a yacht below deck style, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was just side god you got like the dream audience

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<v Speaker 2>stream audience, and in the front there was a Portuguese

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<v Speaker 2>family with like four or five kids, and the youngest kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I swear to you, he was eleven years old.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, what is happening. I've seen kids

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<v Speaker 3>at Carolines before and I'm always like.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've been like why. I remember there was like

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<v Speaker 1>a family at a show that I did at Carolines

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<v Speaker 1>that was like from Sweden or Finland or something, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were all just like had all their kids with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>It was wild? But I love it. Yeah, So it

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<v Speaker 3>was super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can fucking buy weed at the bodega's dude. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know in La it's like the you know who

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<v Speaker 2>Sean pass and was explaining this to me, like I

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<v Speaker 2>like comparing it we're in la It is like the

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<v Speaker 2>Max Store. You know, they go in, there's cases and

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<v Speaker 2>ID it's official. There's taxes here. You like, go to

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<v Speaker 2>a smoke shop or a bodeg and you go, can

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<v Speaker 2>I get a pre roll? And then they take a

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<v Speaker 2>zip lock bag filled with pre rolls and then you

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<v Speaker 2>buy one for fifteen dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like Lucy's. It's like selling Lucy's.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys buy a vape at from your dude, from

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<v Speaker 2>the dude that you've been buying, you know, lighters and

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<v Speaker 2>sandwiches from.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we just have to let everybody out of jail

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<v Speaker 1>that's in jail for dealing weed.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen two robberies this week, Jesus, like someone running

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<v Speaker 2>and then someone chasing after them.

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to get their stuff back. Fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, New York's lit up. Well, listen, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to start the episode because we could chat all day,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really quickly wanted to just remind everybody that

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to be on tour starting very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this week when you're hearing this episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be in San Diego at Ike Drop Comedy on

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<v Speaker 1>September fifteenth, that's a Thursday, come see us. We loved

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<v Speaker 1>our last show in San Diego. We're doing a different episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on September sixteenth, which is a Friday, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be at Los the Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen, I don't think we've made it clear enough

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<v Speaker 1>that that is a live stream show. That will be

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<v Speaker 1>our only show from the whole tour that's live streamed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can watch that from anywhere anywhere in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know about other countries. I will

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<v Speaker 1>check that out, but you can live stream the show,

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<v Speaker 1>watch it from anywhere. We're going to do an episode

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<v Speaker 1>that we've never done on a live stream before, and

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<v Speaker 1>that we've probably never done it a live show. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get to watch an awesome show and

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<v Speaker 1>watch it from the comfort of your own home. And

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<v Speaker 1>that link works for a week, so just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get a tick and watch it at your convenience and

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<v Speaker 1>watch it over and over again if that's what you're into.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the following week or two weeks later, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Woo.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be in Austin on the twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas on the twenty eighth and Houston on the twenty ninth.

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<v Speaker 1>Please come see us, guys. We're so excited to be

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<v Speaker 1>touring and coming to see you guys. And our live

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<v Speaker 1>shows are so fun. I'm not just saying that because

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<v Speaker 1>I plan them and participate in them. They are super

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<v Speaker 1>fun and that's what all of our listeners tell us afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>And hurry up because someone already wrote that the VIP

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<v Speaker 2>tickets in New York sold out already.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are gone, like people are buying ticks. So yeah, not.

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<v Speaker 1>To get out there and get your tickets. Bring friends,

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<v Speaker 1>bring somebody who doesn't even watch us for you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you, the drag alongs that come to these shows

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<v Speaker 1>always have a great time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Kara, what.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a spinach Arctic show crab Dip yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had that before. It's amazing. Did it change your life?

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<v Speaker 1>It was really good. Come meet crab Dip with us

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<v Speaker 1>on our tour. All right, let's start our episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, it's time for countdown. Kara, I would say, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been wanting to do this episode since we started.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know why, I mean to me, it

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<v Speaker 1>just feels like a huge class, but it is supremely

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like it's like season two.

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<v Speaker 1>They know people like their product and they're like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just do the most fucked up stuff possible, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean. Yeah, it is very scary.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Gaffigan's in this one, so obviously we've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's exciting. It's just like an incredible episode, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really excited to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>We start with commotion.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gridlock on the streets of New York, steam trucks, construction, arrows,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lights, a lot of stuff's happening, and the

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<v Speaker 2>camera is panning and behind all the blinking lights and

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<v Speaker 2>trucks there's an upper class couple. I would say, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they look kind of rich, unhappy, you know, unhappy. The

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<v Speaker 2>man is driving, he's in a bow tie, the wife's

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<v Speaker 2>the passenger. They're bickering. The man decided to take a shortcut.

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<v Speaker 2>The wife calls him an idiot. He goes, you took

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<v Speaker 2>too long to get ready. You look like shit. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're fighting. So then because he wants to get

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<v Speaker 2>to wherever ballet they're going to on time, The wife goes,

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<v Speaker 2>why because you want to see your girlfriend and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know he's cheating?

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<v Speaker 3>Is the girlfriend at the ballet? Like what is this? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of right, yes that I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny. They like stuck in just like you

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<v Speaker 1>know why because your girlfriend's gonna be there?

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<v Speaker 3>Like whoa harsh?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, also, don't you feel like you've seen this

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<v Speaker 1>opening before? I feel like I've seen two rich people

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get to the opera, ballet, the gala, the fundraiser, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and like they theycounter a crime. Am I crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>No? You know this, Karra. There's only certain amount of

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<v Speaker 3>ways you can find a victim, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>I walk through the bush.

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<v Speaker 1>I always feel like it's like unhappy rich people bickering

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<v Speaker 1>when they stumble across a victim.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, absolutely no, it has happened before, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>a psycho is listening that can pinpoint it and said

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<v Speaker 2>it our way. He doesn't like being accused of having

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<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend or that his girlfriend's at the ballet, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would also want to be at the bell and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, Yeah, whatever, let's get there.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we see somebody fall out of a truck and yelp,

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<v Speaker 2>and the man is looking away and the woman's like

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<v Speaker 2>something fell out.

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<v Speaker 3>The doors are open. Let the truck driver know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the man like you know, lowers his window to

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<v Speaker 2>start hollering at the driver, and the truck just peels off.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't give a shit, just like so fast. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's like do they go or wait?

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<v Speaker 3>What do they do? Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And then a little hand reaches up and we see

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<v Speaker 3>a little hand and they stop the car. And now

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<v Speaker 3>we're at the and like, how did the van get away?

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<v Speaker 3>New York City?

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<v Speaker 1>They're in gridlock and suddenly the van's like, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a mile to run.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, like so yeah, that's that. So now we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital. Benson and Stabler are well. Benson's in a

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<v Speaker 2>Stabler style jacket, which is wild. It's like lammy fur

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle and down him on the outside. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen Benson in a jacket like that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>behind and then Stabler is behind her, and then a

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<v Speaker 2>man with thinning hair and a tie is giving us

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<v Speaker 2>the scoo. It's Sophie Douglas eight, he says. And the

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<v Speaker 2>man is a cop. He's not a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw an outfit, but then there is a badge.

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<v Speaker 2>So she went missing three days ago. They thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was a custodial like snatching, but I guess it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no ransom.

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<v Speaker 2>But Benson and Stabler call him out on a like

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, you're a fuck up.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not. It was a stranger. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They get into a fight and I don't actually know

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<v Speaker 2>what it's about. And I did watch it a few times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what they were fighting about?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was just like you got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what we talk about all the time. You guys

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<v Speaker 1>were like convinced it was this custodial snatch and so

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't like look into any other leads and like

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<v Speaker 1>it was not that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys are married to your narrative that you

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<v Speaker 1>get stuck on and then you you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, yeah, because Stabler's never done that, right, right. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But early seasons of SVU, they're really fighting with the

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<v Speaker 2>other cops a lot. They're trying to prove themselves. So

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<v Speaker 2>a rape kit is happening, and it's a child and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sad exam and it's kind of uncomfortable and weird,

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.640
<v Speaker 2>and this like, you know, the detectives stroll in as

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<v Speaker 2>this doctor is like Q tipping this child's vagina. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like very uncomfortable. It's like, can you have waited two seconds?

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<v Speaker 2>This is insane.

0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I know why they had to go in during that

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<v Speaker 1>very vulnerable moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seemed weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So the doctor continues the exam and they sneak away,

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.760
<v Speaker 2>like five feet away, whispering, and the doc stuck starts

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<v Speaker 2>taking pictures, and then Olivia introduces herself to Sophie, who's

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<v Speaker 2>so cute, and Benson is blowing bubbles and while she's

0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.639
<v Speaker 2>distracting her malonious talking to the doctor who's explaining the injuries.

0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Not good, definitely rape. Stabler and Benson makes sad eye

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 2>contact as bubbles float past Benson's face, and then the credits.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we're back with some squad time whole team

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.160
<v Speaker 2>and Benson and Stabler are filling them in and Kragan's

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<v Speaker 2>in Suspenders Classic. So the talk screen did come back

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<v Speaker 2>positive for tranquilizers.

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<v Speaker 3>Not good.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I think about when I think of tranquilizers,

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<v Speaker 2>I always just think of old school. I think of

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Will Ferrell getting tranked and being so funny in the

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<v Speaker 2>La School.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a TRNK dart right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like meant for one of the animals of

0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the kids party and he goes down and it's like

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like the Kuaylude scene with Leonardo DiCaprio

0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and Wolf of Wall Street.

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 3>It's just like such good acting, Like it's so fun

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:21.639
<v Speaker 3>is that where he goes I love you man, but

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 3>you're crazy? Like yeah, yeah, I like say that all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. What a good movie. I love school, I

0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:31.640
<v Speaker 3>love old School. Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going streaking in the quad all right? So the

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<v Speaker 2>white van duh okay, we know that already. The two

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 2>witnesses sat behind the van for twenty minutes and couldn't

0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>give them one number of the license plate, and Benson's

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.399
<v Speaker 2>piss and it's like relax, like you want us all

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>memorizing plates constantly while we're in traffic, Like I can't

0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.440
<v Speaker 2>imagine being mad at people for not doing that. And

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.360
<v Speaker 2>by the way, it's a Pixie Benson, if you were wondering.

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>So Cragan traffic guards them all and sends them all

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<v Speaker 2>on their missions, and he assigns Benson and Stabler to

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<v Speaker 2>interview the girl, and she's like, the mom is not

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<v Speaker 2>really into that vibe.

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And Craigan's like, I don't give a shit.

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Obviously it's you know, you'll be sensitive, but we need

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>this information.

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<v Speaker 3>So we head to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Child Advocate Center of Manhattan on eighty first Street and

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<v Speaker 2>it's February tenth and Cabots they're chatting with Stabler and

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.680
<v Speaker 2>she's like, what the fuck? How is everyone still here?

0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I was so late. I thought you'd all be gone.

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 2>And Stabler's like, well, we're having problems with this mother.

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 2>She's not willing to separate, she's not willing to help us.

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't want Sophie talking alone. She's not gonna speak freely,

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 2>and like the mom is being very annoying, but I

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>get it. She's being protective, but like truly an annoying person.

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 2>And Cabot's like, fine, just let the fucking mom in.

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>So we're in the room with Benson and the girl

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<v Speaker 2>and the lamp base. Did you notice no the lamp

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<v Speaker 2>So the lamp in the room, like the post of

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<v Speaker 2>it is a giant red pencil.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect for the Liza Trigger interior collection. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>like something in your home design collection.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you said, a really cute lamp.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I lost it along the way,

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 2>But the stump of it, what is it called the stump.

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Of a lamp? The pole, the handle, what is the

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 3>base the base lamp? The base of the lamp was

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 3>a poodle. Oh that's cute.

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And the shade was white and black polka dots. Oh

0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 2>it was good. But i've you are impressed. I felt that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, she starts asking questions about the man.

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 3>What color is he?

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 2>She goes like ours hair, she can't remember, but she

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>knows he had scary teeth, like a monster. How did

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>she meet the man? And she starts to get really emotional.

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 2>She saw a puppy, and it's like, girl, we can

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:45.919
<v Speaker 2>all relate, you know what I mean, we can all

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<v Speaker 2>bring into this puppy.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.199
<v Speaker 1>I hooked up with a guy one time who told

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<v Speaker 1>me he had a puppy back at his apartment.

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 3>And then he didn't he did. Oh okay, just saying

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 3>it's a pretty easy way to get someone to go

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 3>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she feels guilty and like she's dumb, but it's like, truly,

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 2>it could work on any of us. Yeah, she didn't

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>want to get in the van, and she doesn't actually

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it anymore. And then on a

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 2>tiny TV in the waiting room, Stabler, Cabot and the

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 2>mom are watching and the mom is like, you heard her.

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 3>She wants to stop.

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>It's too much, and Keba goes, we don't care what

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you think, and you know, they're trying to explain to

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 2>her it takes time. We don't want to rush her,

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and the mom suggests taking her, and Stabler talks and

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>is like like talks through the monitor thing, and it's like,

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 2>hurry up.

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's the mom's being a bitch.

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>So Benson starts pushing her to get the info of

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the place, a street sign, anything, and Sophie responds that

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.360
<v Speaker 2>he didn't talk until the room and he said that.

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 3>It was her party day.

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 2>There was balloons and stuff, but it was grim and

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 2>not a real party because there was no friends there.

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>She said there was cupcakes and punch, and then she

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.719
<v Speaker 2>fell asleep and when she woke up, he was standing

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>above her and he said it's time for picture day

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>and she had to wear lots of costumes, like a princess, mermaid, ballerina,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and she wanted to dress herself, but he had to

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 2>help her anyways, and that's when the mom freaks out

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 2>and is like and Stabler stops her and is like,

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>we need to do this and Cabo, it's like focus, focus,

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and the mom starts crying and doesn't want her to

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>have to relive this, and Stabler's like, don't you want

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>us to find him? And she's like, I want you

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 2>to kill him? Okay, so let us work, so we continue.

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 2>What's the next day, they ask, and Sophie says, it's

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>my special day and she had to be really clean,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>so she had to take up a bubble bath that sucks,

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and then she gets up and walks into the corner

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>blair Witch style, and she then sadly says, it's like

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 2>all my fault, and Benson reassures her it's not. She

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 2>faces away from her and cries, and it's really cute.

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 2>She has little bangs and you know, she she just

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.919
<v Speaker 2>he had more puppies in the van, and she starts

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to cry and Benson's like, I like puppies too, girl ah,

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:50.959
<v Speaker 2>and she climbed in and that you know bam, and

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 2>she's scared her mom will know about it and Benson

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.159
<v Speaker 2>is like, he tricked you, and she says, nope, I

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 2>broke the rule. She just wanted to see the puppies,

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and the mom runs in. They hug the ambra in

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>a real way, but she denies any more questioning and

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>they're taking her home now and they're all mad at her,

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot goes, who cares, I have legal recourse. I'll

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>get that bitch. So Stabler says he wouldn't put his

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>girls through this, and then he turns to the women

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>and goes, you wouldn't get it, And so what do

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>we do now? So I guess we have to go canvas.

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So Benson hopes that Munch and Finn are having a

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>better time with the van lead than they're having talking

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 2>to Sophie. So we cut to our duo in a

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>car and Finn is eating I love that, but he's

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>not satisfied. He wants a fortune cookie and he's looking

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and Munch is like, I said, no fortune cookies because

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>they're stale, and it's like, who gives a shit, it's

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 2>for the fortune what the cookie is?

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Like?

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.159
<v Speaker 1>I believe like fortune cookies, even if they're stale. I

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>love how they taste. Oh, controversial opinion.

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 3>I love them.

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I don't need to eat them at all.

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>But of course I want a fortune. I know I

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>want the fortune, but I also want the cookie. I'm

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>telling you, it's weird. I just like the way they taste.

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 3>It's fine. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people don't.

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 3>It's not that weird. Okay, so but okay, but for

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Munch to take away that opportunity for Finn bothers, you

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 3>don't get to choose for him, Finn Munch. Yeah.

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>So they're at a man's a man's van garage spot

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 2>and his name is Oliver aka Allie Jolly aka Squiggles

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>the clown, and he molested kids.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.159
<v Speaker 3>He was hired to entertain, obviously.

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 2>So they exit the car to get this guy, and

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>as he leaves his car, this is where Jim Gaffigan appears,

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 2>can you believe it?

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 3>And he has the whitest eyebrows.

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've noticed like how white his eyebrows are,

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and it does make me uncomfortable. Get some eyebrows, bro. Yeah,

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>he is very blonde, yeah, very blonde. And he's like, hey,

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>who are you? And it's like, bro, you know they're

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the cops like, who else can these two people be

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're you know, it's a red herring.

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 3>It's a red herring. We know this.

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>But he says that he was in Connecticut painting houses

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>all day and that his business is legit, and they're

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>like house painting or raping, Like he's gonna be like, oh, yeah,

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you're right, I was raping. But the sign for the

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>business on the van is a magnet. So it is

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>an unmarked white van and they're like, we have to

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>look inside. He tries to fight it, but they're gonna

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 2>go in. And Munch is wearing a Hasidic style black

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>hat with a hint of a Leonard Cohen hat in

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.479
<v Speaker 2>the mix of it, and asks Oli if he's been

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>up to his old tricks again, and he says no.

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>He keeps saying that he learned his lesson at Sing

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>sing and he knows all about impulse control. But of

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>course they don't trust him, they do not care, and

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>they will be looking into the van, and when they

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>go into the van, there's clown clothing.

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 3>He violated his parole.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 2>They found the balloons, and they're like, we're gonna dust

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:37.479
<v Speaker 2>for fingerprints and bring him in for a lineup, so

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>start talking Bozo.

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 3>He says, no, I didn't give a girl a party.

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>But it's like he won't give an alibi that would

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 2>help him, and so what's gonna go.

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>What's happening?

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>So Benson and Stabler break in with something they found

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>going through his belongings interesting and it's like it's like

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>a calendar and all the children's events are circled, and

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>he says that doesn't mean anything, and they're like, we're

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>de tech. So we called all these places and everyone

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>saw you, and you were seen at these county fairs

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and you've been gotten and but he does have his alibi,

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>but he was breaking his parole and being at town

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.719
<v Speaker 2>fairs with children, so you know he's gonna get in trouble.

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>For some reason when I look back on this episode,

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I always think Gaffigan is the bad guy.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 3>But he is the red herring. Yeah he is.

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>It's just because the other guy is blonde as well,

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, you also you with eyebrows that

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you can't.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, but I remember being like Gaffigan doesn't really

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>have like fucked up teeth, which is a huge part

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of this episode. So I wonder if they just gave

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 1>him like a grill, a bad teeth grill.

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I don't think he had to have bad teeth.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I know, in my mind that's what I would think,

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>because I always thought he was the bad guy. But

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I was creating a full thing that was not real,

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the Mandala effect.

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, So anyways, they say those term touchy feely games.

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson says, Connecticut PD does want a word with him,

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so they ditch his ass and he's gonna go back

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to sing. Sing for hanging out with kids at the

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>county fair. But I don't think I've ever been to

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>a county fair.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Well me neither.

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>But like and when I was in Connecticut, I never

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>remember there being a county fair. But there were lots

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of fairs in the summer, like lots of carnivals where

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>they would show up for just two days. Like I remember,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I would always go to one called Saint Leo's. They

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>were big at churches and they were so fun. I

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 1>loved fairs so much. Okay, great, perfect time.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 3>And fine kids. Yeah.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>So back of the squad, they're all meeting up and

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>finnhands Olivia Note that says that the mom wants Sophie

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>to have more healing time and doesn't want her chatting yet,

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>so Benson suggests, like, let's call it a day. Then

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>it's eight pm, like peace out. They'll say hell yeah.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So then Stabler's like, oh, I'll have time to go

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>to the toy store and buy a gift for the twins' birthday.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>And Kathy is not gonna believe it that I bought

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>these kids the gifts two days early. And Benson gets

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>on her stell and starts like having flirty chats and

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 2>making plans for some like sexy dinner time with a

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.239
<v Speaker 2>guy named Michael, and Munch asks how's mister perfect, and

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>she goes, I mean I've only met him once. We'll

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>see what happens, and doesn't have any plans, but who knows.

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>The night is young, so the whole squad piles into

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the elevator to have their nice night off. Then boom,

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Craigan blocks the door from the elevator and says, everybody stays.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Man in white van grabbed another girl, so they all

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 2>pile back out and they start to work. Now it

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>cuts to much at a bodega talking to some men

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and they explain this guy was American six feet drunk.

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>He says that the teeth of the man were very unfortunate,

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>like Austin Powers. And then Munch asks for the footage

0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 2>from the security tape. It's a broken camera, and the

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>guy says it's better than nothing, and it's like, I

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it is nothing. But the guy also paid

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>in cash, but we're gonna try to get, you know,

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>fingerprints off of the cash and something important. He asks

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>for two dollars of his change to be in quarters,

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>so that's going to be a clue. And then finnis

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>TopKing to a man with a violin case, talking about,

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, he heard a smash of glass and he's

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>so he's explaining what he sees, but he's also holding

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>his violin in a case and he keeps calling it

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>her and he's like she doesn't like it in the cold,

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I have to go protect her. Like he's just like

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>truly fucking the violin. But he said he saw the

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>license plate and it either started with an H or

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>a B. I don't believe that's helpful information. So Munch

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>meets Leather Daddy Finn outside and they start discussing the

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>quarters and mapping out the attack and the struggle, and

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>so basically Miss Guzak.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 3>She left Kirsten.

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Alone in the car, and then the guy saw it

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was an opportunity thing, I think, and he grabbed the

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>girl dropped the beer, and that's that. It was not

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a planned snatch, but he saw an opportunity.

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 3>And then they see a payphone and they.

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Asked the tech to dust it and also to dust

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>all the quarters inside.

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I bet that has never happened in real life ever. Ever.

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Ever, we're now the apartment of Charles and Jean Gouzac,

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and she is saying how the car was parked right

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 2>out front. She left her daughter in the car for

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>just one moment, and the dad's like, fuck, it is

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 2>all my fault. I called and asked her to pick

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>up cigarettes, and it is your fault. And then the

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 2>mom just like was saying, oh, it was so cold,

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it would be easy for her to

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>sit in the car.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 3>She's, of course crying.

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stable are asking for details about seeing anything,

0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and they give her. The parents give them Kirsten's most

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 2>recent photo. The mom is so worried, like fuck, it's

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>past her bedtime. I hope he doesn't hurt my baby.

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>And Benson pushes like, come on, did you see anything

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and she says, just the open door, that's.

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 3>All she saw.

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 2>They give her a pick from the last vacation and

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>she has just turned to eight and they're like, we're

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Shirt's the same guy, and Munch is like, what are

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the odds there are two pedophiles with horrific teeth snatching

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>kids and like New York, but maybe a lot, but

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 2>there are there are.

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 3>So many episodes of this show.

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>So Benson is confused why he would risk a girl

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>EPs so soon after the last debacle and like the

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 2>kid falling out of the truck and everything, and Finn goes,

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was drunk, you know, Sophie was very

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 2>organized and Kirsten was an impulse grab. Munch says he's

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>flexible and he's not a first time or obviously, and

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Benson has pissed because she's requested certain files and they

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 2>haven't come yet, and it's one thirty am. Stabler's like, fuck,

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>So picture day starts in eight hours. We have to

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>get moving, and so they all scadattle to do their

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>work and now it cuts to past three am and

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 2>they're all still working and Finn is just looking at

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>mugshots of people with bad teeth in the system. His

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>brow is furrowed, he is working hard. Stabler spits out

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 2>some coffee and Munch is like, hey, I made that

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen hours ago, so a bunch, so much. But when

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Stabler goes to make more, he flips out at Munch.

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I get like, because Munch puts a lid on an

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>empty can.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>No wonder he keeps getting divorced. Yeah, they're just, but

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 3>they're all just.

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I think there's just showing how they're all snapped at

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>each other because it's three am and they're all at

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>each other's fucking throats.

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're are testing this episode. Yeah.

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>So then Stabler goes, fine, I'm gonna run and get coffee,

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and Craigan and Munch get their orders in so much

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a double espresso and Craigan no foam two percent latte,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and then Munch adds a pastrami on rye.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 3>What I really am pastrami on rye?

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Like, I get you're going to vote, like that's what

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you want from the bodega? No, ha, No, get a

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>turkey sandwich and shut up. Then, before Stabler can leave

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to get all the coffees. A uniformed cop stops them,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>and there's boxes and boxes and boxes of files that

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Benson's been waiting for. So we see that Benson's been

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 2>sleeping in the crib and Stabler wakes her up and

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>she didn't even get her full thirty minute break. But

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the files are here. She has bedheads, she's messy. She

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.919
<v Speaker 2>swivels out of bed, and it's time to work. It's

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>eight am. They've been working for twenty four straight hours.

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're understanding why this episode is called countdown.

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, baby Kristin has.

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Been missing for twelve Finn is in the corner, being

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 2>a very lee as the type person and dripping eye

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 2>drops into his eyes. For those of you who don't know,

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I am an eye drop queen. And then Much is like,

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I want some eye drops, and of course Fin will

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>not share, and he says that's how you get pink eye,

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler, mister bossy pants, demands Fin gives him, gives

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the eye drops to Munch.

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember any of this.

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>The eye drops were just important to me because I

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>saw myself represented. Yes, yes, so it's okay that you

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, notice this one eye drop squeeze.

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I also don't think sharing eye drops is the number

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>one cause of pink eye stable or it's not washing

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>your hands after you shit just.

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 3>FYI sure, but there has to be more.

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Is the poop thing real or is that just like

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 2>it is it's always poop?

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:54.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much.

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like people that are like sharing

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>eye drops and like when was the last time you

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>touched the eye dropper too?

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't like to share mascara or like eyeliner or

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.800
<v Speaker 2>anything like, sure, no, you shouldn't, you shouldn't, you shouldn't.

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>But I think that it's mostly nine cases out of

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>ten it's poop.

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, my favorite eye drops are the Refresh and they

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>come in like little vials that are like tiny plastic

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like you get like disposable, yeah, disposable. I like those.

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 2>And it's like a little trail I leave behind. It's

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 2>like a bobby bin. It's like, you know, I've been around.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>If there's little eye drop things everywhere, I just don't

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>take off my makeup at night, and it does cause

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of problems for my ducts. Okay, So Benson

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>and Saylor are doing a super speed walk and talk

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, we need to talk to Sophie again.

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.319
<v Speaker 2>We know the mom said she needed more time, but

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 2>that's before he snatched another girl.

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>We have to help her.

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>So they go to the Douglas residence and she's being

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>so difficult and she's like, she told you everything she remembers,

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, well, how do you note that? And

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>she starts rattling off off all the trauma symptoms that

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 2>her daughter is suffering, and it's like, yeah, we know,

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:58.959
<v Speaker 2>but like, let's save the girl.

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 3>And she does not care.

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Just another bit of evidence how being a parent does

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>not make you a better person. She does not give

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a shit about this other child being taken. And so

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Stabler says, we'll get a judge to order you, and

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>she goes, well, that's just what you'll have to do.

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of a drink game thing. I do love

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 3>when people like this little exchange throughout the history of SVU,

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 3>I enjoy it.

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Cabot and opposing counselor are pleading their cases in chambers

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>to Judge Petrovsky and she is listening intensely. The mom

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>thinks it's cruel, but Petrovsky orders a chat and the

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>mom cries, and it's like, relaxed, she's safe, and you

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 2>need to help this other person. So now we're back

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 2>chatting with Sophie. And now I notice there's an ice

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 2>cream shaped rug on the floor. So this really is

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 2>a fun little investigation room for children. The pencil lamp

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>is in the scene as well. Benson is so clever

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and slick and is like, well, do you ever order pizza? Like,

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>what's the name of the pizza box?

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Cool? So, now that you're kidnapped, like, what did you know?

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Did you get takeout? Like did you see where you

0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 3>ate food from?

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>And she stakes her hand and says no, all they

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>ate was cupcakes, fruit punch, and candy corn and that's it.

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 3>No dinner.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And she asked like, was there anything with a name

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 2>on it? And she goes, oh my god, Yes, there

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>was a streamer at the party and it had my

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 2>name on it.

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.240
<v Speaker 3>So what else was at the party? We got balloons

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 3>and he blew them up with his own what is

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>it helium tank machine? And he talked like a cartoon.

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh is that what whippets are?

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, no, I think whippets are we'll go

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>into like whipped cream and like other kind.

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, I like whippets.

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>But if you suck it, it doesn't do anything because I

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 1>do it all the time whenever around.

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's just like a fun voice just makes

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 2>your release like a chipmunk.

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, cute. I mean, you don't even need helium.

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 3>You just killed that. So now we're outside with the crew.

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a rainy day, and they're like, oh, he went

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>shopping for the streamer after he had the girl, So

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 2>let's figure out like how many party stores there are

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 2>where you can rent a helium tank and all of

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. And then the stabler again is on this

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 2>facade that's so delusional where he's like, great, and I'll

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>pick up some decorations for the twins' birthday party. And

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like, in what world is Kathy making you responsible

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 2>for this? Like just what stop lying to all of

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 2>us and yourself. So they're at Aladdin's party supplies and

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the worker knows him, and again the bad teeth come

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 2>up again. He did get a helium tank. He paid

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 2>cash because now they have mini tanks and you don't

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>have to rent a big one. He comes in every

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 2>few weeks for the seasonal candy ding Ding Ding ding

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Ding candy corn. I like the like Little mush the

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>pumpkin candy corn more than traditional candy corn.

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge candy corn fan. I know people think

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it's gross, but I love it so much.

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I just would rather have the pumpkins. Yeah,

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 3>I like a mix. I like the candy corn with

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:43.839
<v Speaker 3>the pumpkin. But do you like the candy ki don't

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 3>you like it? Which I think is called I'm not

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 3>going to say it. I don't like that corn.

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's called Indian corn, but I don't know

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're allowed to say that anymore, because it's like

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Native American, not Indian.

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Like.

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't like the chocolate corn. But when you

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.839
<v Speaker 1>but now they call it harvest corn.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Harvest corn, and okay, we got the right word. We

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>got the right word. If you like chocolate candy corns,

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it's harvest corn. Thanks for the investigative reporting, Kara.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Back to you in the studio.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Lisa back at the office and everyone is working hard.

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Benson's date calls and she's like, sorry, bro, I gotta go.

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Wait.

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Did you see the Samuel clip that he posted on

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 2>his Twitter doing Pittsburgh. So, as comedians sometimes when you're

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 2>on the road, you have to do morning television or radio.

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Is pressed to sell tickets.

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 2>And on morning news they asked him why he's a comedian,

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, my uncle molested me, and he keeps

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>so I don't remember what else he says, but then

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 2>the reporters are just like, we don't really know where

0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>to go from here.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>He says like he was molested by an uncle and

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 1>so he needed to like tell Dick jokes to forget

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>about it or something like it was. It sounds bad

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>now that we're were counting it, but it really made

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>me laugh when I watched the clip.

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>It was funny. It seemed like a purposeful joke. I

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>accidentally brought up rape on morning news in Ohio and

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I was with Mateo. We were co headlining Mateo Lan

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:14.399
<v Speaker 2>and all these people are very funny. Go follow them

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 2>if you don't already. But Mateo and I were there,

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 2>and so like he starts dying laughing because he he

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>suddenly sees like everyone losing it and not knowing what

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 2>to do. The man co host is like turning red

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and blotchy, and Mateo just can't stop laughing that I

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 2>said rape like at nine am. But I thought it

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>was a funny story. Anyways, back at.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Thought, oh my god, there is a clay And.

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't brush my hair because I thought it was radio.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 2>So I also looked out of control. I'll post a

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 2>photo from this news program, but I looked wild. I

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 2>did morning news yesterday and I had one eye open.

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, truly, no makeup, just like sitting there

0:43:55.320 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 2>being like, picks news, Come see me this weekend. Back

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>at the office and everyone harvest corn. Okay, back at

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:07.360
<v Speaker 2>the office and everyone's working really hard. Benson's date calls

0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, sorry, bro, I'm obviously trying to save

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 2>a child. So Sailor's on the phone with Kathy, who's

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:13.399
<v Speaker 2>of course mad at him.

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 3>They're at thirty six hours.

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Munch sadly finds three autopsy reports with the same items

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>in the stomach that he fed Sophie.

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:21.839
<v Speaker 3>And that is sad, but.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 2>At least we have clues information and we could hopefully

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>get closer to catching this guy. But now, okay, wow,

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 2>that was rude, Kara JK.

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 3>I sneezed, but you know what, you know what, I'm.

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Referring to there's a video on YouTube of Christina Aguilera

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and she's like doing an interview and someone coughs off camera,

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, did you really just cough?

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Right now?

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe He's just like truly gets livid that

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:53.280
<v Speaker 2>a man coughed.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 3>It was the best So I kind of love doing

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 3>it to people.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So anyways, but what's sad about this information is

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 2>now we know that he kills the girls, So I

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>don't love that all three are strangled, all three killed

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in three days of getting snatched, and all three found

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>near the water, But like, how is there no pattern?

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all separate burrows. Sophia escaped from the

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 2>van on the third day near the East River, so

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad she's alive, Like he was obviously going to

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>dump her in the water. Kirsten starts the third day tomorrow,

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 2>so they all have to stay at work and we

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 2>have to save this girl. They're going over past cases

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and pinning on a map where all the girls were found,

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and like the time between snatches decreases every single time

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 2>water washes away DNA. But they are all white girls

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in the ages between seven and nine. Finn says the

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 2>guy is definitely a loner, and Munch says he's impulsive

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and socially marginalized. Stabler is like, is he smart or fickle? Like,

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>we don't you know he's bouncing around town? Is this

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 2>some purpose? Or is he a maniac? One Pp is

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>also bothering them because they want to go public, but

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Benson is scared if we release too much information, then

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.399
<v Speaker 2>he'll know that we're looking for him, and he'll dump

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the van, or he'll change something, or he'll get rid

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:08.919
<v Speaker 2>of the girl, and so they really want to tread

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 2>lightly with what information they release, but they so she

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>thinks just the composite, So everyone's talking to Cragan, and

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Craigan says, this guy's super ritualistic. So let's release the

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>composite and van, but hold back the time clock. And

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 2>now a mom of one of the dead girls shows

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>up and she hands Stabler photo of her daughter who's dead,

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.240
<v Speaker 2>and goes, this was her last school photo.

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 3>It came in the mail three weeks after she was murdered.

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you would think the company would maybe

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 2>communicate a little bit.

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 1>It's an automated process, ma'am. I'm sorry, the pictures are

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.879
<v Speaker 1>just going out, but she.

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Wants the sailor to put the photo in his pocket

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 2>when he catches the man. There weren't any leads before,

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>but you know, she believes in the sv detectives. Everyone's

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>on edge and needs some sleep. Craigan flips out and

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 2>yells about you know, it being a pig sty and

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, you're the one who said no janitor, and

0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.400
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, Olivia, it's my fault.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 3>And it's like they're all losing it.

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Munch says that they got prints off the phone, but

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 2>also like who called? And there was a ten second

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 2>call around this time and it was to Saul Gardner.

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.439
<v Speaker 3>So they go visit this dude. It's a mess.

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>He's as shoveled man in his fifties and he's shitting

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>on the detectives and how bad they look, and it's like,

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 2>you look pretty bad too. But he's denying the call.

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>He said that he was on a date with a girl.

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 2>They don't believe he can get a girlfriend. They're like, listen,

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 2>do you have a message you talk, like, tell us

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 2>what happened. Also, this man has been in for us.

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:36.759
<v Speaker 2>S v u's just so you guys know, and each

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>time he's like a random man. Em Yeah, he's like

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 2>always a random man with information, but he's not being helpful.

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>But he swears he has no idea. So then the

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>next day the papers hit the stands and the phone

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 2>start ringing, ringing, ringing. Psychics are calling people have tips.

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So Craigan comes in and yells, you four off the phones.

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>We got a DNA hit in the database from Sophie

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 2>cold hit. So it was a sample from an their

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 2>body from five years ago. And that's another victim. And

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that was actually before he got smart and started dumping

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 2>in the water. So he left this girl in an

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 2>abandoned factory and since it was sloppy and not in

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.279
<v Speaker 2>the water, they're like, oh, maybe it's close to where

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 2>he lives in Queens, And so they had some Queens.

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's telling Benson how he got nothing for the Twins party.

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Ha ha.

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 1>The runner of the Twins party is going to end you, Lisa.

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.359
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna it's gonna drive you off a.

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Cliff because Benson's been with him the whole time, Like,

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.280
<v Speaker 3>of course she knows you didn't get anything for the party.

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 3>You've been together. It's raining.

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.960
<v Speaker 2>They have giant folders like the Manila folders, and they

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 2>go to meet two detectives.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Eating at a diner. I love diners.

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>They don't want to be helpful and they want to

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 2>play games. And this woman is from OZ. If you

0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>are a big OZ person, she was like a correctional

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 2>officer who raped all of the inmates.

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 3>She was.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 2>An incredible actress at Kristin Rohade. She was like and

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.320
<v Speaker 2>sadly she did die in twenty sixteen at the age.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Of fifty two. Oh my gosh, she's familiar to me. Yeah,

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 3>she is great.

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, she was a New York actress, a lot

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of procedurals cop shows, but Oz. She was a serious

0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:20.439
<v Speaker 2>regular and an incredibly evil character. So yeah, I can't

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 2>wait till rewatch OZ. And Sailor's trying to be, you know,

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 2>reason with the guys and be kind and like we

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 2>need your help. And immediately these queens people are so defensive.

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, yeah, like we had information but kept

0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 2>it secret because we're lazy, That's what it is.

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.240
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we have no time for this bullshit.

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.879
<v Speaker 2>Ventson, slams on the table, and gives a speech about

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 2>being on like turfs and ticking clocks and help and like.

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 3>We're tired, and to me, it's just like.

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 2>How embarrassing, Like a girl is missing and you're like

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.080
<v Speaker 2>arguing about turf, Like.

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.399
<v Speaker 3>It's just so humility.

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Staylor's like, listen, you interviewed like two hundred people. We

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 2>don't have time to interview all these people. Did anyone

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.879
<v Speaker 2>stick out? So they go through the files to give

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 2>their favorite options, and they're like anyone with bad teeth?

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Like what's going on?

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 2>So they pick three people that they think, you know,

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 2>that they pinned for the dude. So they go meet

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 2>one of the guys who's welding. He doesn't have a

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>white van. He's like, I know why you're here, and

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it ain't me, bitch. And so then they go to

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 2>the next place and it's Dawson's photo studio and to

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>look for mister Mills, one of the you know guys

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 2>in the folder and another guy's working there and he goes, oh, yeah,

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that guy works here, but he's not here today, and

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.240
<v Speaker 2>they're looking around. They go, oh, so you do school

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 2>pictures and he goes, yep, school pictures are my bread

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and butter. And Clayton comes and does lights and helps,

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and then it clicks. The photo he has in his

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 2>pocket of the dead girl has the same clouds background

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 2>as the photo backdrop in the studio, and the guy

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 2>confirms that he took this photo.

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 3>Holy shit.

0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 2>He uses the school as a hunting ground. Finally a break,

0:50:56.480 --> 0:50:58.359
<v Speaker 2>he rents the room from an old woman. So they

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.839
<v Speaker 2>rush to missus Rapaport's house. The guns in the air.

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're entering empty up, so guns, guns, guns.

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:06.359
<v Speaker 2>They see a purple blue and there's a party set up.

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:07.240
<v Speaker 3>It says Sophie.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 2>You know how, it says Sophie, and streamers it now,

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 2>says Kirsten, and then the newspapers in the house.

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 3>He saw it.

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 2>He's on the move. Fuck, there's blood. The blood leads

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 2>to a dead old woman. He killed Rappaport. So we

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 2>cut back to the precinct where they all fill Kraigan

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and the neighbors say that she goes to Atlantic City

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 2>a couple times a year, and that must be when

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>he does the attacks because she usually goes for four days.

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 2>But she lost all her money, so she came home

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 2>early and he murdered her. Benson and Stablers start fighting,

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:36.919
<v Speaker 2>and he tells her to take a nap, and she says,

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>screw you, and Daddy Craigan's like break it up.

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And so it's cute.

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 2>And then he makes Benson go breathe the air, and

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 2>he makes Elliott go talk to his wife. Kathy is

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 2>there with the twins and you know, there's hugs. It's cute,

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and he sends them to Munch, who has pudding cups,

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and then Kathy and Stabler hug. He apologizes and of

0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 2>course she's handled everything for the party. The twins back

0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and Munch for some reason gave the moldy old pudding

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 2>that was fuzzy. Yeah, like that Bart really confused me too,

0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what, like, I don't get that. The

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.879
<v Speaker 2>twins give Stabler a gift, a toothbrush and a fresh shirt.

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.959
<v Speaker 2>He hugs them so hard Benson calls. He goes after

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, he kisses Kathy and runs away as Kathy

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>is holding the new shirt in the presence like he's

0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.439
<v Speaker 2>not changing. He doesn't care if he stinks. He has

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>to find this girl Saul. Finally, they like wanted to

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 2>check back with Saul. They didn't trust him the PayPal guy,

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and what they figured out was he has a pawn shop,

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>and he finally admitted that Clayton called him and said

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>that like he needed money, but he was scared to

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>go to the pawn shop. So they're gonna meet in

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a remote area to like do pawn shop activities, and

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>so they decided to do a sting. So Saul's in

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the front seat of the van and Munch is sitting

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 2>in the back and he goes, so, what does this

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 2>guy got barbie dolls? And he said, oh no, he

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:58.839
<v Speaker 2>said there he knows an old lady with an attic

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.120
<v Speaker 2>full of antiques and jeweler and he sells it for her.

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And Munch is like, he murdered her, you idiot, And

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh my god, I thought like, yeah, a thief,

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but not a kidnapping, raping killer. And Munch then threatens

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>him and says, if you do anything to tip him off,

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 2>you're going down for being an accomplice.

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 3>And he's scared. He's like, what if he shoots me?

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And Monch she's like, I'll lift, but there are sharpshooters

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 2>everywhere in swat teams, and then a white van pulls in,

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 2>but Saul keeps like looking back at Munch and talking

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and Munch is like, shut up, motherfucker stop. If he

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 2>sees you talking and looking, he's gonna know the white

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 2>thing like sorry.

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:34.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like the same vibes as the lou Diamond Phillips

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.680
<v Speaker 1>episode where the guy it's like, shut up, stop fucking talking.

0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is sit there and pretend

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.399
<v Speaker 1>like you're doing your normal job.

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:43.839
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of the train guy the whole time

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 2>as well. Yeah, And so the guy in the white

0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 2>van is suspicious and he you know, they yell out

0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the windows, but no one really moves. And then I

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.240
<v Speaker 2>think he like notices one of the Swat team people,

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>so they're a bad at their jobs as well, and

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 2>he starts backing up, but the cops are driving in

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and then he tries to drive forward.

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:02.440
<v Speaker 3>More cops.

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:07.320
<v Speaker 2>He's surrounded your toast, bro, so you know, freeze, freeze,

0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>get your hands up. They take him disgusting ass out

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 2>of the van, slam him up against the wall, and

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:15.000
<v Speaker 2>arrest him and the girls in the back of the

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>truck and she is alive, thank gone, and a princess dress.

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Stabler gets her and carries her out. She's gonna live,

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, our criminal gets put in a

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 2>cop car. Now we're at Rikers and the client wants

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a deal. Now this lawyer's playing it, play Frank Deal.

0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:33.319
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. So the client wants the deal and the

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.759
<v Speaker 2>lawyers played by Frank Deal. I wanted to say it

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 2>again because it was really fun. So he's the FBI

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:43.479
<v Speaker 2>guy from Downloaded Child if you remember, Oh yes, yeah,

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>he looks to child abuse images all day in the

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 2>dark Web, and he's been in eight episodes as different characters.

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 3>We love him.

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And Cabot says, your client rapes and kills children. The

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 2>only deal he is getting is a free last meal.

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 2>But he does have a bargaining chip. There's another dead

0:54:56.680 --> 0:54:58.920
<v Speaker 2>girl that none of you know about, and the body

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 2>was never recovered, and Cabot says, I don't care. I

0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 2>have four victims. I don't need a fifth one, so like,

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>go fuck yourself. I'll get a death penalty with or without.

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>And he says, well, I bet the mother would like

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 2>some closure. So she's like, tell me the girl's name

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 2>and he won't, but he says that she was his

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 2>first victim, a perfect little princess, sweet as can be,

0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>and Cabot.

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So grows the way he talks to He's like that

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 1>whisper talky voice and.

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.839
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, he's a creep We hate him.

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we do not love him. So Cabot says,

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>give me her name, and he says, then take the

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 2>death penalty off the table and I'll shout it from

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the rooftops. And he is really creepy. If you guys

0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 2>don't watch it and you do want to be creeped out,

0:55:39.960 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 2>this is pretty creepy. Cabot asks her, you know, the boss,

0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>like the head guy for you know, can you approve

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the deal? And he's like, I'm a public servant and

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the public doesn't want this boil on the butt of

0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 2>humanity living to a ripe old age and the senior

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>eightya guy is played by Jeffrey Jeffrey Demon dooman demon whatever.

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.359
<v Speaker 2>But he has one hundred and nineteen credits. I mean,

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 2>he was in The Blob like so cool, like really

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:11.240
<v Speaker 2>acting for really decades. He's been in Billions most recently.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:13.440
<v Speaker 2>He has very evil eyebrows. He was in The Walking

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Dead a lot of Dick Wolf and he played opposite

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Sara Jessica Parker.

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 3>And divorced for like four or five episodes. As like

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 3>a bad lawyer.

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>So she's like, think of the mother, and he's like,

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:25.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she wants him dead too, and Cabot's like, sure,

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 2>but she wants to know where her baby is. And

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 2>he retorts, well, what about all the mothers who want

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 2>him dead and the city, even the protesters of the

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.000
<v Speaker 2>death penalty? You want him dead? You don't know what

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 2>she says, So basically, Cabot then brings in Sophie's mom,

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and finally she decides to be helpful, and she convinces

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:45.799
<v Speaker 2>the man to help them find the body of the

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 2>other girl. And the man is taking it in and

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:49.759
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I want him dead, but you've got to

0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:52.880
<v Speaker 2>help this woman. To the dramatic music that leads us

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to like a winter deep grave. There's snow and he's

0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 2>in an orange jumpsuit and shackles. It's raining. Benson and

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Stale have umbrellas a little red shoe gets taken out

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 2>of the hole. He nods, we found the body of

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the girl who was never found. And then it's Benson

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler waiting outside of a home like walk you know,

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.399
<v Speaker 2>waiting to walk up to deliver the news to the mother.

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.080
<v Speaker 2>The mom opens the door, and that's the end of

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the episode.

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:20.480
<v Speaker 3>A toughie. It is a toughy and they did a

0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 3>good job.

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Like this seems like obviously the crime is really horrific

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's about, you know, a terrible person. But I

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 2>think this one also like how hard a life of

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the detectives are.

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, even especially when someone is yeah, like moving

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>fast like that and like they know that there's a

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 1>timeline and yeah, and.

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Then having to deliver the news and sleeping and missing

0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 3>your kid's life. So it's a very like window into

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 3>the world of a detective. So I appreciate that.

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like at one point Benson goes the only time

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I talk to those guys when I'm calling to cancel.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:52.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, that's you don't have a great social

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 1>life now.

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:55.919
<v Speaker 3>So that was a fun one.

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I really don't want to know about the crime, but

0:57:58.320 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 2>we will know about it.

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 3>So see you after the break.

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And we're back to ruin your day with a horrific

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>real crime. So this episode is based on a Scottish

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 1>serial killer and pedophile named Robert Black. He had a

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of the classic stuff we see in serial killers.

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 3>He was born out of wedlock. His mother gave him up.

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>He had multiple foster parents who maybe allegedly beat him.

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 1>He was a bedwetter. He went on to live in

0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>like care homes. When he was at one care home,

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>he was molested there. He was obsessed with genitals, putting

0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:45.280
<v Speaker 1>things up his ass. He was described as antisocial. Alone

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 1>escalated quickly. I just want to I don't want to

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>do like a whole this guy's whole fucking life. I

0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 1>just want to give you like a quick paragraph on

0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:56.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy's life and then we move on to the crimes.

0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you have not even talked for one whole

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 2>minute and we're already putting things up an ass.

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Like it is wild.

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, but because it's all very textbook. It's

0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.000
<v Speaker 1>like I could go through it all, but you'd be like, yeah,

0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Ted Bundy too. Yeah, Like it's all very textbook of

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>what we see with a lot of these people, anti social, aloner,

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>without a lot of friends, very unkempt, like gross, like

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>not into showering, like bad hygiene, you know, like like

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 1>nothing specific about bad teeth, but it talks about how

0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 1>gross he is many times in all my research that

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:26.960
<v Speaker 1>he like is not clean, you know.

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Interesting and so yeah, so it's embarrassing.

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:39.160
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty three, a seven year old girl was

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>playing alone in a park when Black lured her away

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 1>with the promise of kittens, so right from the episode,

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and then he choked her unconscious and masturbate it over

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 1>her body. But he did not kill her. He did

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:53.680
<v Speaker 1>not kill her. She was She lived, and he was

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>arrested in charge with lude and libidinous behavior.

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know how they have like so

0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 3>many weird in the UK.

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>It's always like you've been charged with Bobby dagging and

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, cookle shelling, Like you never know what the

1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 1>fuck they're talking about, Like that's what.

1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:11.240
<v Speaker 3>He jerked off above a child? Lock him up.

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, here's what happened. He had a psych exam,

1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and the psych exam suggested that this was an isolated

1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 1>incident and that he needed no treatment. Cool, so he

1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:25.600
<v Speaker 1>just kept going about his day, probably just yeah, being gross.

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen sixty six his landlords found out that

1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he'd been molesting their nine year old granddaughter, but they

1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>just kicked him out and.

1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Didn't call the police.

1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Fucked up. Then in sixty seven, he moved in with

1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:37.919
<v Speaker 1>a married couple and molested their six year old daughter,

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.120
<v Speaker 1>but they went to the police, thank god, and he

1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:42.240
<v Speaker 1>did get a year in prison for that. So he

1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:44.240
<v Speaker 1>goes to prison for a year for molesting the six

1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:48.080
<v Speaker 1>year old girls. Not enough, I know, I know. And

1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:51.080
<v Speaker 1>then in nineteen sixty eight he went back, he went

1:00:51.120 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>back to London and started working odd jobs and building

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:58.400
<v Speaker 1>up a quite a large child sex abuse material collection.

1:00:58.520 --> 1:01:02.280
<v Speaker 1>So he's like obsessed with, you know, child sex abuse material.

1:01:02.440 --> 1:01:07.120
<v Speaker 1>So chronologically, his first murder that he committed was Jennifer Cardi.

1:01:07.320 --> 1:01:08.439
<v Speaker 3>She was nine years old.

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:11.360
<v Speaker 1>He kidnapped, sexual assaulted, and murdered her in August of

1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:13.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one in northern Ireland, and she had just

1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.000
<v Speaker 1>been biking to a friend's house. Her bike was found

1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:18.360
<v Speaker 1>hidden under some leaves, and then her body was found

1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:21.040
<v Speaker 1>six days later by some fishermen in a reservoir and

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:24.960
<v Speaker 1>she had been like drowned and strangled. So then his

1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:28.760
<v Speaker 1>second but her murder is not attached to him until

1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.920
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine. So then his second victim was

1:01:31.920 --> 1:01:34.240
<v Speaker 1>almost a year later, in July of nineteen eighty two.

1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:37.000
<v Speaker 1>She's eleven year old Susan Maxwell who's walking home from

1:01:37.040 --> 1:01:40.520
<v Speaker 1>playing tennis and her body was found two weeks later

1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>by a truck driver and she had been bound and

1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:46.560
<v Speaker 1>gagged with they say, sticking plaster and a lot of

1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:48.800
<v Speaker 1>these articles because I'm reading articles that are from like

1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Scottish and Irish and English publications, but I feel like

1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that's duct tape to correct me if I'm wrong. My

1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Brits and her underwear had been removed and folded beneath

1:01:59.200 --> 1:01:59.520
<v Speaker 1>her head.

1:01:59.520 --> 1:02:01.520
<v Speaker 3>And that's that she had been sexually assaulted.

1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Because a couple of these victims were found so much

1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:08.240
<v Speaker 1>later that the amount of decomp in their bodies unfortunately

1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't tell that they were sexually assaulted, but like

1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:14.280
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent chance they were. And Susan had been

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<v Speaker 1>in blacks Van alive or dead for over twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours while he finished his delivery route all around Scotland

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<v Speaker 1>and then he ditched the body on his trip from

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<v Speaker 1>Glasgow to London.

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<v Speaker 3>And then so this is where it's similar to the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy is killing people all over the place, and

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<v Speaker 1>in obviously on SPU they condense it just to the

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<v Speaker 1>five boroughs, but that's why it's like hard to find him.

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<v Speaker 3>And in this one it's like it's Glasgow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like all over the UK and honestly later other

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Europe, but we'll get to that. Black's the

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<v Speaker 1>second third victim, excuse me, is his youngest victim, who

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<v Speaker 1>was five years old. Her name was Caroline Hogg. She

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<v Speaker 1>went missing while playing outside of her house in Edinburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>the suburbs of Edinburgh in eighty three, so almost a

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<v Speaker 1>year later. So it's feeling like he's doing it once

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<v Speaker 1>a year, kind of like how this guy in this

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<v Speaker 1>episode was only doing it once or twice a year

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<v Speaker 1>when he had like the opportunity. The search for Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>was the largest in Scottish history at the time, so

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<v Speaker 1>pretty huge. They had two thousand local volunteers, fifty members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Royal Scots, few silliers, and her disappearance was

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<v Speaker 1>all over the media and eyewitnesses had seen a sketchy

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<v Speaker 1>man wearing glasses watching Caroline while she played. They also

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<v Speaker 1>saw him followered when you're nearby fairground. Why no one

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<v Speaker 1>said anything, I don't understand. And people saw them both

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<v Speaker 1>sat on a bench chatting and him paying for her

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<v Speaker 1>carousel ride and watching her ride it I need a

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<v Speaker 1>shower anyway, and then they found her body about two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later in a ditch and cause of death could

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<v Speaker 1>not be determined because of the extent of the decomposition

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and the lack of clothing suggested a sexual

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<v Speaker 1>nature to the crime.

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<v Speaker 3>So the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Figured out pretty quickly that Susan and Caroline's murders were connected.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, they didn't connect Jennifer's two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine, but they connected the first two and with

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<v Speaker 1>the locations being far apart, they that made them think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this must be a truck driver or someone who works,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, covering long distances for their living, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it kind of works into their life that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going from, like you know, country to country. So

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<v Speaker 1>they connected these two girls because they were both likely

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assaulted, they were both bound, and they were both

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<v Speaker 1>wearing white ankle socks at the time that they were taken.

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<v Speaker 1>So they quickly formed a task force and the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who headed that up was a guy named Hector Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he actually just died last year, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was an assistant Chief Constable from Northumbria who took over

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation. So remember how I talked about in the

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire Ripper case, how they had this like super old

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<v Speaker 1>school analog system of getting tips, like they had paper cards,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody ridiculed them and was like, you guys fucked

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<v Speaker 1>this up because they just had thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>paper cards and they got ripped to shreds for it,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the press. Hector Clark did not want to

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<v Speaker 1>look like them, and so he was like, we're using

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<v Speaker 1>computers this time. And so they formed a Holmes database

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<v Speaker 1>that's Holmes that all the forces could use. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it was like really pricey, but it's really good

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<v Speaker 1>that they did it because many unsolved crimes that were

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<v Speaker 1>totally unrelated to this one got solved because of all

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<v Speaker 1>the information they were putting into the database about like suspects, vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>So now it's March of nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>It's three years after Caroline Hogg's body is found and

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Jane Harper, aged ten, goes missing from a suburb

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<v Speaker 1>in Leeds in England, and the police are looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a white Ford van and they say that the suspect

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<v Speaker 1>is possibly a balding, stocky white man who isn't Three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later, her body was found in a river seventy

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<v Speaker 1>miles from where she went missing, and they determined that

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<v Speaker 1>she had died between five and eight hours of her abduction.

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<v Speaker 1>So like in the episode, like they said there obviously

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the same thing with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Picture day and the birthday day and then.

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<v Speaker 1>The special day. But he does take a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time with them and then kill them pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And her murderer, luckily, was very quickly linked to the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Maxwell and Hogg, like for this time period,

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<v Speaker 1>and for like the amount of technology they had, which

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<v Speaker 1>like even though they were using a computer, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like amazing that they were.

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<v Speaker 3>They linked all these together so quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's probably why this guy did not end up

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<v Speaker 1>being able to work for like more decades. And the

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<v Speaker 1>man this was like a full on manhunt for this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It ended up being like almost a decade, and they

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<v Speaker 1>ran checks on anyone with sexual assault charges within ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>but Black had been busted in nineteen sixty seven, so

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<v Speaker 1>his didn't pop because his only charge had been like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, outside of that ten year thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So then in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty eight, the FBI, the old trust, the FBI shows

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<v Speaker 1>up with George Wang probably and they profile this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>They say that the killer would be between thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>forty years old, a loner, looking a mess, not very educated,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said that his motives for the killing is sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, well, the Yorkshire Ripper, it seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>he just wanted to murder this man. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>murder is just to get rid of the sexual, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>assault that he had done. So he had a fixation

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, child sex abuse material, kept momentos from

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<v Speaker 1>his victims, and they also thought that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so horrible. They also just spoiler alert for

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<v Speaker 3>how horrible this is.

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<v Speaker 1>They also thought that he probably engaged in necrophilia and

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<v Speaker 1>did stuff to the victim's bodies before he got rid

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<v Speaker 1>of them. So in nineteen eighty eight, he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>kidnap Teresa Thornhill, who was actually fifteen, but she was

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<v Speaker 1>four foot eleven and very like petite, and that may

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<v Speaker 1>have made him think that she was like younger than

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<v Speaker 1>she was because fifteen's usually a little bit older than

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<v Speaker 1>he goes for.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was able to fight back and get away.

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<v Speaker 1>She grabbed his balls that loosened up his grip and

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<v Speaker 1>she was like struggling. She had just left her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>and her boyfriend like was able to turn around and

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<v Speaker 1>like see what was going on because she was struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>So he came.

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<v Speaker 1>She scratched as she was able to bite his arm

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<v Speaker 1>like all this stuff. So Teresa Thornhill a badass. She

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<v Speaker 1>gets away, but they do connect it to the same guy,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all connect So now in nineteen ninety, this

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<v Speaker 1>is nine years after Jennifer Cardy, but eight years after

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<v Speaker 1>his last note his first known victim, which was Susan Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 1>A postal worker named David Hrkis was outside of his

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<v Speaker 1>house saw a van grab his six year old neighbor.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like it's like a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He said. He saw the van pull up and he

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<v Speaker 1>saw the little girl like standing on the sidewalk and

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<v Speaker 1>then he just saw her feet lift up off the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk and like him pull her into the van. So

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<v Speaker 1>he gets the van's plate number and calls the police immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>This is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>They arrived within six minutes, like everything's happening very quickly

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<v Speaker 1>with this investigation. The police get there super quick. They're

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<v Speaker 1>all figuring out what's going on. He's describing the van

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<v Speaker 1>to the police and then he goes, that's it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the van, right there and they see the same van

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<v Speaker 1>coming back through the village and.

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<v Speaker 3>They stop the van. They arrest the driver.

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<v Speaker 1>The missing girl's father is a cop, so he's there

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<v Speaker 1>with all the other cops.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets onto the.

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<v Speaker 1>Van calling his daughter's name. They find her bound, gaged

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<v Speaker 1>a hood over her head, inserted headfirst into a sleeping bag.

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<v Speaker 3>The poor thing. But she's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>But they said she would have died if she was

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<v Speaker 1>in there like that for fifteen more minutes, she would

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<v Speaker 1>have like suffocated. Unfortunately, even in that insanely quick amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time twenty minutes, they said he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>sexually assault her. He had taken her to a place

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<v Speaker 1>and then he had taken a wrong turn and gone

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<v Speaker 1>back through town and that's how they busted him. So

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was it was a completely wrong turn that

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<v Speaker 1>got him arrested and caught. And when they stopped him

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<v Speaker 1>and they pulled the girl out of the car, the

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<v Speaker 1>guy just like super bizarre response, but he said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>what a day it's been.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a rush of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always liked young girls since I was a young kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was a rush of blood is

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<v Speaker 1>a phrase that they use over there to just say like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something I did impulsively. But you know, then obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they looked into this guy and it was not like

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<v Speaker 1>a some of his It was, like we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, some of his kidnappings seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>completely opportunistic, like he's just in a place where he

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<v Speaker 1>sees a girl in a car with her mom going

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<v Speaker 1>in to get cigarettes, and sometimes it was planned out.

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<v Speaker 1>He found them, he lured them away, whatever he had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a kitten or a puppy ready. So, but

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<v Speaker 1>they did talk about in some of the articles I

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<v Speaker 1>read how he was like an opportunistic killer. So he

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<v Speaker 1>would sometimes describ people that he saw, and that might

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<v Speaker 1>have been what got inbusted in this case. So a

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<v Speaker 1>search of his van found you know, ropes, tape, hoodies,

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<v Speaker 1>a polaroid camera, girl's clothing, a mattress, and it says

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<v Speaker 1>a selection of sexual aids.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to know what those are.

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<v Speaker 1>So just for the abduction of this last girl in

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<v Speaker 1>a town called Stow, they don't release her name, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Stowe school girl they call her. Just for this,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets life in prison. So then they try to

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<v Speaker 1>just tie him to the other stuff while he's in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for that. So in nineteen ninety four, like truly,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years after his first known murder, he goes to

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<v Speaker 1>trial for the murders of Maxwell Hogg and Harper and

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<v Speaker 1>he's found guilty and on his way out of the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>he turns to all the detectives who have been chasing

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<v Speaker 1>him for like over a decade and say, tremendous, well

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<v Speaker 1>done boys, that's what he says. So this man doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really get how to talk to people, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>or what's normal behavior. In two thousand and nine, he

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<v Speaker 1>is tried and found guilty for the abduction, sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Jennifer Cardy as I mentioned, And unlike this

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<v Speaker 1>Siko in the episode, he never admitted to any of

1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:34.200
<v Speaker 1>these murders. He never was like, yep, this is me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love these girls and this is what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>He just never he never had not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>He plaied not guilty, but then he said good job, boys,

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<v Speaker 2>like you got me.

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<v Speaker 3>So isn't that kind of a missions.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of yeah, kind of this is what I was reading.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a guy named Ray Weier who was a big

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<v Speaker 1>person in the field of treating sex offenders, and he

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Black many times between nineteen ninety and ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says that it was all about control why

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<v Speaker 1>he was not confessing, And Wyers said, quote, He's the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of person for whom it's all about power and control.

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<v Speaker 1>Having information about what he's done gives him power. He

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<v Speaker 1>has no desire to ease his conscience, and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to give up the one thing that gives him

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<v Speaker 1>power over the pain that his victims' families are suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I did read that on Wikipedia, the Wikipedia about Robert Black.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably attributed to a book, as many

1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:29.840
<v Speaker 1>things on Wikipedia are, but that is where I read it.

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<v Speaker 3>And he ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>Black ended up dying of a heart attack in jail

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, So he was in jail for over

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and he was sixty eight when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is thought that he could be connected to

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<v Speaker 1>a possible dozen other murders all over Europe, but none

1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.559
<v Speaker 1>of it has been proven. Like there's murders in France,

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, Netherlands, Ireland, all kinds of places where they

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<v Speaker 1>think that the crimes involve a white van or like

1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the bodies are found in a similar fashion, so then

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<v Speaker 1>we won't know I know, so fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>But because when the cop was at the scene of

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<v Speaker 2>the crime, did he know that his daughter was the

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<v Speaker 2>one being taken?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like a small town, so I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the chance of someone being their dad being a

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<v Speaker 1>cop is high.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just to have a thing on your

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<v Speaker 2>head and being a sleeping bag has haunted me throughout

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<v Speaker 2>this whole time we've been talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, I know, I know, but she

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<v Speaker 3>did live. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how crazy that he even had the time

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a crime like he just that's how like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, desperate this guy is. He doesn't even try

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<v Speaker 1>to like get somewhere like far away where he won't

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<v Speaker 1>get caught. He's just like I you know, like a

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<v Speaker 1>true sick pedophile. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>But listen, if they fucking kept him in jail earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these girls could be alive and not fucking traumatized.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, it is so fucked up that he was

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<v Speaker 2>jerking off on top of children and people are like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's fine, let him out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, wellstaid just the year what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, The fact that we just didn't like, they just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't consider like that these kind of crimes would lead

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<v Speaker 1>to other crimes. And it's fucked up because it truly

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<v Speaker 1>would have could have stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They were never going to put him in jail forever,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would have kept doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah, I'm glad he's dead and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't Yeah, Samesise, Okay, but we have a really amazing

1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:33.840
<v Speaker 1>guest interview, so as always, we're excited to have that

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<v Speaker 1>cleanse your palette.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, We have an amazing guest this week. She is

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<v Speaker 1>a prolific actor from both television and the Broadway stage.

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<v Speaker 3>You may know.

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<v Speaker 1>Her for her one of her most well known roles

1:14:55.600 --> 1:15:00.160
<v Speaker 1>playing Terry Hatcher's daughter Julie Meyer on Desperate Housewives, and

1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:03.160
<v Speaker 1>recently she started in a bunch of Lifetime movies, including Psycho,

1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Sister in Law and the upcoming Hall Past Nightmare. But

1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:10.240
<v Speaker 1>you knew her in today's episode as the adorable Sophie Douglas. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to our amazing chat with Andrea Bowen. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for talking to us today. This is like huge,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge Desperate Housewives fan. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've known you since you were a teen,

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<v Speaker 1>but I haven't. But you got into like the Dick

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<v Speaker 1>Wolfe universe as like a baby. You were like five

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<v Speaker 1>years old or something on the original, on an original

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<v Speaker 1>Law and Order.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I did. I've done a total of three lawn

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<v Speaker 4>orders in the Law and Order universe. The first one

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<v Speaker 4>I did, I was either five or six. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 4>was very early in my professional career. We'd just moved

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<v Speaker 4>to New York. And it is not just me, It

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<v Speaker 4>is me, my brother Cameron, my brother Alex, and my

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<v Speaker 4>sister Jillian.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow a family affair.

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<v Speaker 4>Family affair. Yeah, we were all cast to play a

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<v Speaker 4>family and I I don't know. I think our mom

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<v Speaker 4>was I don't remember. There was some something of course

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<v Speaker 4>happened and then we were we were grace stricken. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I did another episode of Law and Order the

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<v Speaker 4>original the following year, I think, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Really shortly after and that one, uh, maybe my mom

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<v Speaker 4>was the victim of a carjacking. Something happened where she

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<v Speaker 4>got shot, because I remember they had to put blood

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<v Speaker 4>on me, they had to put brain stuff on me,

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<v Speaker 4>brain matter, and and they showed me how they made it,

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<v Speaker 4>and they told me I could eat it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all the fun memories of being on set as a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>So by the time I did SVU, I had already done.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd already I'd already paid some paid some dues for

1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:55.320
<v Speaker 4>that SVU Or did you like I went to the

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<v Speaker 4>whole audition process. I think that one too, because it

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<v Speaker 4>was a larger, you know, guess star type of thing

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<v Speaker 4>that they that they wanted to you know, see, they

1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:09.160
<v Speaker 4>knew me from some work in the past, but I'd

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<v Speaker 4>been a couple of years and they were like, let's

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<v Speaker 4>see what you could do.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like a very terrifying episode, but you're so

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<v Speaker 1>adorable in it. You're like such a cute I mean,

1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.400
<v Speaker 1>it makes it like more powerful that you're like so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>You have such a like little voice and like such

1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a little voice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so funny, so funny to look back on now,

1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:28.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, was I I was really that small and

1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:30.599
<v Speaker 4>had that tiny of a little voice.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, so watching it, the subject matter is intense

1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and now you're talking about smlish brains and the blood

1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:40.479
<v Speaker 2>and then in this episode you have to recount this

1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:42.680
<v Speaker 2>horrific trauma so do they explain it to you in

1:17:42.680 --> 1:17:45.000
<v Speaker 2>different ways? Did you know what you were saying? How

1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:48.200
<v Speaker 2>do they kind of prep you for that being so little?

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, look, I think in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>I would love to say that maybe the writers and

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<v Speaker 4>or the production or the casting would have a hand

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<v Speaker 4>in the way this information is distilled to younger people.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that is the case now, I

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<v Speaker 4>would venture to say it is still not quite there.

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<v Speaker 4>It really falls from my experience mostly on the parents

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<v Speaker 4>and how they or maybe the agents, but usually it's

1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:17.800
<v Speaker 4>it's the parents who who kind of figure out, like,

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<v Speaker 4>how do we want to bro to this type of

1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:24.080
<v Speaker 4>very serious subject matter with our children, and and it's

1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:28.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of left there. So I would say, one, I'm

1:18:29.040 --> 1:18:32.400
<v Speaker 4>very fortunate. I have incredible parents who were not only

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<v Speaker 4>supportive of me getting into the arts, but also we're

1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:42.680
<v Speaker 4>very protective and still really you know, valued putting my

1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:47.200
<v Speaker 4>needs as a little one first, and so they kind

1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:50.120
<v Speaker 4>of operated under the idea of just we'll only tell

1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.519
<v Speaker 4>her what she needs to know, you know, like we

1:18:52.560 --> 1:18:55.320
<v Speaker 4>don't need to go deeper into the trauma that this

1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:59.360
<v Speaker 4>little girl experienced. We can talk about it in terms

1:18:59.360 --> 1:19:02.559
<v Speaker 4>that Andrea at the age she's at might understand. So

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<v Speaker 4>my character was obviously struggling with this horrible, horrifying, disgusting

1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:12.240
<v Speaker 4>thing that happened to her. But what her main, if

1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:15.519
<v Speaker 4>I remember correctly, what her main sort of fear was

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<v Speaker 4>in the interview scenes, was that she broke this rule

1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.960
<v Speaker 4>that her mom told her to not break, which was

1:19:21.000 --> 1:19:23.439
<v Speaker 4>to you know, not talk to strangers or not, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what I you know, remember my parents talking

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<v Speaker 4>to me most about was you can relate to knowing,

1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, when when what it feels like to be

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<v Speaker 4>scared that your parent's going to be upset with you.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we tried to keep it mostly on relatable

1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:40.519
<v Speaker 4>terms in that sense and not go too deep into

1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:44.840
<v Speaker 4>the scary trauma part. But but I did. I was aware,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, of what was going on with this little

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<v Speaker 4>with this little girl, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's like one of the only episodes I

1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:53.960
<v Speaker 1>can recall, were like a little girl is like getting

1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a pelvic exam, and I was just like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>like what did they even tell you you were doing?

1:19:59.360 --> 1:19:59.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Then you know, yeah, I know, I know, And I

1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:06.360
<v Speaker 4>remember filming that. I remember lying on the you know,

1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:11.720
<v Speaker 4>the hospital bed, and you know, everybody was really considerate,

1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.720
<v Speaker 4>and I think everybody was a little bit on edge

1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:18.519
<v Speaker 4>because of that. You know, I am now thirty two

1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.000
<v Speaker 4>years old. I can only imagine being on a set

1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:23.080
<v Speaker 4>and filming that with a ten year old or an

1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.760
<v Speaker 4>eleven year old and feeling like, oh gosh, how do

1:20:25.840 --> 1:20:30.320
<v Speaker 4>we do this and be sensitive? And you know, and

1:20:30.400 --> 1:20:33.080
<v Speaker 4>what is this child understanding about what's happening to her?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>It was such. It's a wonderful set to work. And

1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:39.040
<v Speaker 4>I will say that. And I'm and they're very experienced

1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:41.920
<v Speaker 4>with dealing with heinous crimes as we know, it's not

1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:46.640
<v Speaker 4>in the actual like beginning of the Sculf, and so

1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:50.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they're really experienced with tiptoeing around things or

1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.519
<v Speaker 4>trying to be very delicate with the way they handle things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. And so is your mom an actor?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How did how was it a huge family affair? How

1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:00.719
<v Speaker 2>do you start young? I mean you were on Broadway

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<v Speaker 2>at five years old? So how does that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>My parents are not actors. They are artistic. My dad

1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:13.320
<v Speaker 4>is a musician and my mom was a dancer and

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<v Speaker 4>a performer. But no, they were out of the business.

1:21:17.800 --> 1:21:20.800
<v Speaker 4>They had never done it professionally to that degree. Anyway,

1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.759
<v Speaker 4>they pursued it, and they both had talents in those areas,

1:21:23.800 --> 1:21:25.960
<v Speaker 4>but they were focused on other things. They were planning

1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:29.559
<v Speaker 4>on raising They have six children. I'm the youngest, and

1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:33.599
<v Speaker 4>they were planning on raising us in Columbus, Ohio. And

1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:37.759
<v Speaker 4>then my older siblings all kind of line by line,

1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:43.200
<v Speaker 4>started really falling in love with performing via local community

1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:47.880
<v Speaker 4>theater and you know, children's theater programming in Columbus, Ohio.

1:21:48.040 --> 1:21:51.920
<v Speaker 4>Nothing on a serious level, but they just didn't want

1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:53.679
<v Speaker 4>to pursue anything else. They didn't want to do sports,

1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:55.160
<v Speaker 4>they didn't want to do that. This is like what

1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:57.839
<v Speaker 4>they wanted to do. And it just trickled down throughout

1:21:57.880 --> 1:22:01.280
<v Speaker 4>the family. And then at some point someone after my

1:22:01.439 --> 1:22:06.360
<v Speaker 4>two older siblings were in a production of Oliver. Still

1:22:06.560 --> 1:22:08.720
<v Speaker 4>not in New York on that scale, but it was

1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.960
<v Speaker 4>a touring production, and the older cast members said, well,

1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:13.240
<v Speaker 4>you guys should be in New York if you want

1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:15.320
<v Speaker 4>to do theater. And they planted this little seed in

1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:18.400
<v Speaker 4>my older siblings' heads, and then that was it. They

1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:22.320
<v Speaker 4>begged my parents. My parents said, well, drive, we could

1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:24.639
<v Speaker 4>not afford six eight plane tickets. I guess it would

1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:27.559
<v Speaker 4>have been. So we took a family road trip to

1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:32.559
<v Speaker 4>New York, met with a manager who expressed interest in

1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:35.200
<v Speaker 4>signing us all and my parents were like, this is

1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:37.120
<v Speaker 4>moving too fast. We don't even know what we're doing.

1:22:37.200 --> 1:22:39.840
<v Speaker 4>This seems crazy. We have a life, like what's going on?

1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:42.640
<v Speaker 4>And so she agreed to send my siblings out on

1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:44.880
<v Speaker 4>a couple of trial auditions so we could kind of

1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.800
<v Speaker 4>get a sense of what that life would be like.

1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:49.439
<v Speaker 4>And three of my siblings booked Broadway shows on that

1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 4>trip and we never went. We never went back to Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>I know it is. It is wild when I say it,

1:22:57.080 --> 1:22:58.160
<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well I have to jump in and tell you

1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:01.759
<v Speaker 1>now that I'm also one of six kids.

1:23:02.320 --> 1:23:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I am the oldest of six kids.

1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:05.120
<v Speaker 4>I gosh, where the bookends.

1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like in a million years, if I had

1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:09.479
<v Speaker 1>told my mom I want to be an actor, she

1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:11.200
<v Speaker 1>would have been like, great, wait until college.

1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, I know.

1:23:14.360 --> 1:23:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's so amazing that like they were so because like.

1:23:19.320 --> 1:23:21.360
<v Speaker 4>They had no idea what they were getting themselves in.

1:23:21.720 --> 1:23:24.240
<v Speaker 4>Then if they did, they would have said wait until college.

1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have two kids and I'm overwhelmed constantly,

1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:29.519
<v Speaker 1>so I can't imagine six kids all trying to get

1:23:29.520 --> 1:23:33.639
<v Speaker 1>into that business, all with like different auditions, different like strengths.

1:23:33.720 --> 1:23:35.559
<v Speaker 1>And at that point too, it was wild.

1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:36.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was.

1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:39.960
<v Speaker 4>It was transitioning from Columbus, Ohio in a house that

1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:44.200
<v Speaker 4>accommodated us all to a first two bedroom in Queens,

1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:47.439
<v Speaker 4>but then a two bedroom in midtown Manhattan. You know,

1:23:47.479 --> 1:23:50.839
<v Speaker 4>there were no home computers or cell phones. We had pagers.

1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:52.879
<v Speaker 4>We'd have to like stop and call into a payphone

1:23:52.920 --> 1:23:54.439
<v Speaker 4>to get all of our auditions for the day, and

1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:56.800
<v Speaker 4>like run around, stick this kid on a subway, and

1:23:56.840 --> 1:23:59.000
<v Speaker 4>stick that kid on a subway. And I mean, it's

1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:02.200
<v Speaker 4>nuts when I think about it, And I don't know

1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:03.639
<v Speaker 4>how we all did it. I don't know how they

1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.760
<v Speaker 4>did it, but you know I watched that.

1:24:06.800 --> 1:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I would watch that television show. Yeah, of like the

1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Six Industry Kids.

1:24:11.920 --> 1:24:14.680
<v Speaker 4>When we were little, we were approached by somebody, you know,

1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:20.320
<v Speaker 4>before reality TV was really a thing about like pitching

1:24:20.360 --> 1:24:22.160
<v Speaker 4>this idea to us of following us around town. And

1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.880
<v Speaker 4>my parents were like, no way, dude, we're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Are how many of the siblings are still acting?

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<v Speaker 4>Let me think about this. So I would say five

1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:37.040
<v Speaker 4>of the six are still in the industry, and some

1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:38.840
<v Speaker 4>fastt or another. A few of them went on to

1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:41.719
<v Speaker 4>pursue music. Some of them are more kind of behind

1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:45.400
<v Speaker 4>the scenes. My oldest brother is still in the broadway scene.

1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:48.160
<v Speaker 4>He works a book of Mormon in New York. And

1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:50.800
<v Speaker 4>then my other brother out here is still an actor

1:24:50.840 --> 1:24:54.400
<v Speaker 4>and still professionally working. So five of the six of

1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:56.160
<v Speaker 4>us have stayed in the arts realm.

1:24:57.240 --> 1:24:58.240
<v Speaker 3>What does the other one do?

1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:03.200
<v Speaker 4>Becoming a lawyer? All right, Yeah, she's in law school.

1:25:03.280 --> 1:25:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah she should become an entertainment lawyer and just rep

1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>all of you.

1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:10.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly right. She's actually been recently studying contract law.

1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:12.920
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, oh, I just consult you.

1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I follow a TikTok person that's like I read the

1:25:15.960 --> 1:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Fine Prince so you don't have to, and like she

1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>reads all this stuff and helps you understand.

1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:22.479
<v Speaker 4>It's an angel. I mean, that is terrible. We none

1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:25.800
<v Speaker 4>of us read it. We just immediately say accept or

1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:26.719
<v Speaker 4>agree or whatever.

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just so wild. But how are the other

1:25:30.800 --> 1:25:32.559
<v Speaker 2>people in school? Did you still go to school? Was

1:25:32.560 --> 1:25:33.679
<v Speaker 2>it an artsy school?

1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Was ever? Like? How was that?

1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes you hear like Taylor Swifts and Christina Aguilera'd

1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>be like, I was bullied for my success.

1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:42.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, So I was not bullied for my success.

1:25:44.040 --> 1:25:47.760
<v Speaker 4>I did go to eventually, I went to We all

1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:50.799
<v Speaker 4>went to PPAs, which is kind of a famous school

1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:53.439
<v Speaker 4>in New York City. And I say famous, not because

1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:58.280
<v Speaker 4>it's like this prestigious thing, famous because a lot of

1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:01.800
<v Speaker 4>industry people went there, but it's a public school. It

1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:07.040
<v Speaker 4>stands for Professional Performing Arts School. And then there's also PCs,

1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:09.240
<v Speaker 4>which is a private performance art school.

1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Which one of your parents was usually your more on

1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>set person. And who was with you at SPU Was

1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it your mom or your dad? It was my mom?

1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Your mom?

1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay? And how did you like your on screen mom?

1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:23.559
<v Speaker 1>And did your on screen did your regular mom feel

1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>threatened by your on screen I think.

1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:28.680
<v Speaker 4>My sweet mom got very used to me having other

1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:36.599
<v Speaker 4>moms pretty quickly, and she's wonderful. And my on screen

1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:42.439
<v Speaker 4>mom is actually an actress named Debonair. I was named

1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:46.240
<v Speaker 4>devon last name, Air, real name. I remember talking to

1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:50.000
<v Speaker 4>her about that during filming because even though I was young,

1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.680
<v Speaker 4>I had heard the word before, probably being a theater kid,

1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:56.040
<v Speaker 4>things are described people are described as Debonair, you know,

1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:59.160
<v Speaker 4>So I was like Hey, that's your name. She was

1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:06.080
<v Speaker 4>also very pregnant and like actually pregnant, and it's kind

1:27:06.120 --> 1:27:09.240
<v Speaker 4>of a fun story because so she was lovely, she

1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:14.000
<v Speaker 4>was very sweet, and we had maybe two scenes together,

1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:16.719
<v Speaker 4>but I always remembered her because she was so nice,

1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:19.880
<v Speaker 4>she was so pregnant, and her name was Debonair. And

1:27:20.160 --> 1:27:23.360
<v Speaker 4>then a million years later I went when I was

1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.839
<v Speaker 4>in my early twenties, I went on an arts delegation

1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:30.680
<v Speaker 4>trip to Israel with a an organization that I work with

1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.479
<v Speaker 4>from time to time, and we went over to Israel

1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:36.320
<v Speaker 4>to do arts advocacy work and have these meetings and

1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:41.439
<v Speaker 4>talk to people there. And her husband was on this trip,

1:27:41.479 --> 1:27:43.679
<v Speaker 4>who was an actor and a director named Rob Morrow.

1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:45.439
<v Speaker 4>And I didn't know this. I didn't know they were,

1:27:45.479 --> 1:27:47.600
<v Speaker 4>but he was talking about his wife, Devin at some

1:27:47.680 --> 1:27:49.400
<v Speaker 4>point during the trip and I said, wait, do wo wait,

1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:54.559
<v Speaker 4>wait is your wife Debonair? And he was like yes,

1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:56.280
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, she played by mom on an

1:27:56.280 --> 1:27:58.519
<v Speaker 4>episode of an owner like Cup forever ago and she

1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:00.639
<v Speaker 4>was super pregnant with presumably your child.

1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:04.000
<v Speaker 3>That is so funny. What a small world.

1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Such a small world, I mean, it's like that. I'm

1:28:05.320 --> 1:28:07.160
<v Speaker 4>sure you guys hear that all the time with law

1:28:07.160 --> 1:28:10.320
<v Speaker 4>and order stories, because it's like everybody who lived in

1:28:10.320 --> 1:28:11.920
<v Speaker 4>New York who was an actor has a law and

1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:13.040
<v Speaker 4>order experience.

1:28:13.200 --> 1:28:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was gonna say, I wonder if at this

1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>performing arts school, so many of the kids are like,

1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm heading to Chelsea Pierce. Like, I'm sure all of

1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>you are just constantly trying to play a sad kid.

1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:26.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean we did. That's the thing about when you're

1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:29.479
<v Speaker 4>in a performing art school. You know, they're used to

1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:32.000
<v Speaker 4>you having to leave for auditions, and some of them

1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:35.960
<v Speaker 4>have strict rules against it, you know, which is kind

1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:38.880
<v Speaker 4>of odd. I understand it. You don't want to compromise education,

1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:40.720
<v Speaker 4>but at the same time, it's sort of odd when

1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:42.680
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to get them to pursue it professionally and

1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:45.840
<v Speaker 4>then you're like, no, no, no, no auditions for you. But

1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:49.719
<v Speaker 4>we'd sometimes leave at lunch, and at least Chelsea Piers

1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:51.800
<v Speaker 4>was in Midtown, so we could get over there really

1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:53.920
<v Speaker 4>easily and be back in time to be in you know,

1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:55.599
<v Speaker 4>science class or whatever.

1:28:56.960 --> 1:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Obviously we got to ask Marishka Maloney iced tea munch,

1:29:01.400 --> 1:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean Belzer, I said, all their names,

1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>but who yeah, tell us some stories or what you

1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>remember with the main cast.

1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:13.640
<v Speaker 4>So I definitely had the most interaction with Marishka, and

1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:20.160
<v Speaker 4>she is so lovely and so gracious and giving and

1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:26.000
<v Speaker 4>considerate and present and just wonderful. I would say. So

1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:28.600
<v Speaker 4>by the time I did SVU, I'd been in the

1:29:28.640 --> 1:29:32.080
<v Speaker 4>business for a while. I was primarily working in the

1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:35.639
<v Speaker 4>Broadway community in theater. So you know, even though I'd

1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:37.760
<v Speaker 4>had a couple of Law and Order experiences before, they

1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:41.360
<v Speaker 4>were smaller than what this episode was. So I would

1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:45.519
<v Speaker 4>say this was my first kind of chunkier role on TV,

1:29:46.360 --> 1:29:50.479
<v Speaker 4>and it definitely was an inciting event in my life

1:29:50.520 --> 1:29:53.320
<v Speaker 4>in that I realized I kind of wanted to bridge

1:29:53.439 --> 1:29:55.679
<v Speaker 4>over into that world, which ultimately led to me moving

1:29:55.680 --> 1:29:57.880
<v Speaker 4>to la and all that. And I do kind of

1:29:57.880 --> 1:30:01.439
<v Speaker 4>attribute some of that to Marie. She goes demeanor and

1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:04.960
<v Speaker 4>the way that she handled being the lead of a show,

1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:08.679
<v Speaker 4>and the way that she respected the other cast members,

1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:12.080
<v Speaker 4>and she was just so wonderful. I mean, I can

1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.400
<v Speaker 4>just glow on and on about her because it really

1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:16.360
<v Speaker 4>made a huge impact on me. And not only that,

1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:19.439
<v Speaker 4>but while I was doing that episode of SVU, I

1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:23.000
<v Speaker 4>was also in a Broadway show which was a musical

1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:28.160
<v Speaker 4>based on the novel Jane Eyre. And so I was

1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:30.280
<v Speaker 4>kind of splitting my time. I film during the day

1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:31.880
<v Speaker 4>and then I'd have to go to the theater. And

1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:34.519
<v Speaker 4>she came and saw me in the show, and she

1:30:34.600 --> 1:30:37.480
<v Speaker 4>came backstage and she brought me this beautiful bouquet of flowers,

1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:40.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, I just think that really speaks to

1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:44.080
<v Speaker 4>who she is. But also you have to imagine being

1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:49.280
<v Speaker 4>a ten year old actress seeing an adult woman actress

1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:53.360
<v Speaker 4>leading this show and handling herself that way and giving

1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:56.000
<v Speaker 4>so much to me. It just really impacted me. And

1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:59.560
<v Speaker 4>I just can't say enough wonderful things about her. I

1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:02.600
<v Speaker 4>saw her years later at an award show. At some

1:31:02.680 --> 1:31:05.760
<v Speaker 4>point over the years, like bumped into her, and you know,

1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.800
<v Speaker 4>I went, I never go up to people because I'm

1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:11.679
<v Speaker 4>just terribly awkward the way most of us are dealing

1:31:11.680 --> 1:31:14.280
<v Speaker 4>with that, you know. But uh, but you know, I

1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:16.519
<v Speaker 4>tapped her on the shoulder because I'm sure I was

1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:18.639
<v Speaker 4>there for something with Esper House. I was, and I said,

1:31:18.720 --> 1:31:20.559
<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't know if you remember me. I

1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:22.960
<v Speaker 4>was a lot younger, but and she did, and she

1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:25.080
<v Speaker 4>was so sweet, and she was like, oh my god,

1:31:25.120 --> 1:31:27.000
<v Speaker 4>I can't get over you know, you're so much bigger,

1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.799
<v Speaker 4>and you know, it's just great. But anyway, she's wonderful.

1:31:29.840 --> 1:31:32.880
<v Speaker 4>So I would say that I have the most memories

1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:35.240
<v Speaker 4>of what it was like working with her, and they

1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:36.840
<v Speaker 4>have stuck with me my whole career.

1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing that we hear only good things about her,

1:31:42.439 --> 1:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and like everybody is so effusive about her, but this

1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is the first time, like we've heard somebody be so

1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>affected by her as a kid, because like, I don't know,

1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>when you're a kid, I feel like you could just

1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, yeah, that lady was nice. Oh there

1:31:54.040 --> 1:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>are there girl cheeses today, like you know what I mean,

1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, And it's like, it's amazing to hear what.

1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:00.920
<v Speaker 3>An impact she made on you and that she came

1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:01.519
<v Speaker 3>to your play.

1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I know we've heard also that she's a Broadway junkie,

1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure she just wanted to support you and

1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>check out another play.

1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:09.800
<v Speaker 4>I know. I don't believe that, though. I think it's

1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:12.400
<v Speaker 4>amazing that she came to see the show. And you know,

1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:17.160
<v Speaker 4>my other cast mates in the show too, they were like, yeah.

1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>That must have been such a flex. You're like, I'm

1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:23.760
<v Speaker 1>eleven and I'm friends with Marisha Ghari.

1:32:24.000 --> 1:32:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just schedule wise is so wild. So you

1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>were a kid on set all day, then at a

1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:31.719
<v Speaker 2>play at night, and then and just learning the lines

1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:32.479
<v Speaker 2>and doing it.

1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:36.200
<v Speaker 4>I know, I know it is. I sometimes think about

1:32:36.240 --> 1:32:40.080
<v Speaker 4>my schedule between the ages of five to you know,

1:32:40.840 --> 1:32:44.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean until, I mean really my whole life. But

1:32:44.920 --> 1:32:47.519
<v Speaker 4>I will think about that those crucial years of when

1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:49.000
<v Speaker 4>I was little, especially because I have a niece and

1:32:49.000 --> 1:32:53.479
<v Speaker 4>a nephew now, and I I, you know, I just think, wow, like,

1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:56.599
<v Speaker 4>what were we doing? What were we doing? I mean,

1:32:56.840 --> 1:32:59.479
<v Speaker 4>they got for it. I'm super super grateful for all

1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.000
<v Speaker 4>of that, but it is pretty wild when you think

1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:02.439
<v Speaker 4>about it.

1:33:03.479 --> 1:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>So then, Lisa, I don't know if you have any

1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:07.519
<v Speaker 1>more law and order, but I know.

1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's go to Desperate So then you book Desperate Housewives,

1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and then your whole family moves you and a parent

1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>you alone, and what happens You're a series regular at fourteen.

1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:22.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So the process to getting to Desperate Housewives was

1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:25.960
<v Speaker 4>I had come out so right not too long after

1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:32.040
<v Speaker 4>I think after that episode of SVU, the show that

1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:33.759
<v Speaker 4>I was doing at the time in New York closed

1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:38.479
<v Speaker 4>and for the first time since being a professional actor.

1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Myself and my brother who I'd mentioned, the other one

1:33:42.000 --> 1:33:45.439
<v Speaker 4>who is also on multiple law and orders, were not

1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:48.879
<v Speaker 4>in shows during what was pilot season, and our manager

1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:50.519
<v Speaker 4>was like, you got to go to LA. If you

1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:52.240
<v Speaker 4>want to get into TV, you gotta go to LA.

1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:54.880
<v Speaker 4>Just give it a whirl. So my dad brought my

1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:56.360
<v Speaker 4>brother and I out and it was just the three

1:33:56.400 --> 1:33:59.639
<v Speaker 4>of us and we came out for a pilot season

1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:03.520
<v Speaker 4>and I got a show. It was not Desperate Housewives,

1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:07.360
<v Speaker 4>but it was another ABC show, and that shot the

1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:10.519
<v Speaker 4>pilot in Canada, went back to New York, was doing

1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:13.559
<v Speaker 4>a workshop of a show. Show got picked up, great,

1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:17.000
<v Speaker 4>moved the family out to LA. Everybody except for the

1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:20.839
<v Speaker 4>two oldest siblings who were off now in college and working,

1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:23.920
<v Speaker 4>and so moved the rest of us out. So four kids,

1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:29.120
<v Speaker 4>two parents, two dogs out to LA. Show gets canceled.

1:34:29.520 --> 1:34:33.240
<v Speaker 4>So then we're like, I know, what did we do?

1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Kind of a naive decision, I guess. And then but

1:34:39.120 --> 1:34:42.240
<v Speaker 4>then the following pilot season, Desperastives came along and so

1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:47.360
<v Speaker 4>then got that and then had a good feeling that

1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.000
<v Speaker 4>it would get picked up. We all kind of the

1:34:49.040 --> 1:34:51.280
<v Speaker 4>whole cast talks about it during the pilot. We just

1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:53.960
<v Speaker 4>sometimes you work on things and you're like, I have

1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:56.400
<v Speaker 4>no idea, and you never know what this industry, you know,

1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.080
<v Speaker 4>if something's going to go or not. That one felt different.

1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:02.280
<v Speaker 4>It felt like this is gonna be this is gonna

1:35:02.320 --> 1:35:03.760
<v Speaker 4>do something. We didn't know what it was gonna do.

1:35:03.760 --> 1:35:05.240
<v Speaker 4>We didn't know it was gonna go on to be

1:35:05.320 --> 1:35:08.160
<v Speaker 4>as successful as it was, of course, But but then

1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.519
<v Speaker 4>that got picked up and ran for eight seasons and

1:35:10.840 --> 1:35:11.920
<v Speaker 4>out in La I stayed.

1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>God, it was just like such a huge show I watched.

1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It was like appointment television for me. I would like

1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:21.040
<v Speaker 1>order food from this Vietnamese place every Sunday and like

1:35:21.160 --> 1:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>sit on my couch and watch that show. And I'm

1:35:24.760 --> 1:35:27.519
<v Speaker 1>just wondering, like, so did you were you right away? Like,

1:35:27.600 --> 1:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I mean, I guess you'd been in

1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the business for so long, but like that was the

1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>first like huge right, Like that show was like a

1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>big thing.

1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was weird. I mean it was definitely weird

1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:40.320
<v Speaker 4>and foreign, and like you said, I'd been in the

1:35:40.320 --> 1:35:43.360
<v Speaker 4>business for a while. But as as I'm sure other

1:35:43.360 --> 1:35:45.800
<v Speaker 4>people you've talked to since Lonard is such a new

1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:49.760
<v Speaker 4>York concentrated thing. You know, the theater world is it

1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:52.800
<v Speaker 4>operates very differently than television. And so even though I

1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:54.639
<v Speaker 4>had been lucky enough to be a part of three

1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:59.320
<v Speaker 4>Broadway shows at that point, this the scale of being

1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:01.880
<v Speaker 4>on a television show show that is successful is just different.

1:36:01.920 --> 1:36:04.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh and actually, now that I'm saying this to tie

1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:10.080
<v Speaker 4>in these two things, I remember, I remember when we premiered.

1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:12.000
<v Speaker 4>I think it was our it was either our first

1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:15.720
<v Speaker 4>episode or our second episode. We didn't we we could not.

1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:17.760
<v Speaker 4>No one could believe the ratings that we got in

1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:20.320
<v Speaker 4>our first in our early episodes, because it was just uncommon.

1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:22.599
<v Speaker 4>You have to find your footing, you know, even even

1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:25.679
<v Speaker 4>shows that have a great first episode premiere, the numbers

1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:29.400
<v Speaker 4>are still not you know, they're not like really breaking

1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:31.880
<v Speaker 4>any records. They're still you're finding your audience and it's

1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:33.360
<v Speaker 4>strong and it's great and it looks like we're going

1:36:33.439 --> 1:36:36.040
<v Speaker 4>to go. But anyway, one of the things they said

1:36:36.040 --> 1:36:38.200
<v Speaker 4>to us on set, they came to us at lunch

1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:42.360
<v Speaker 4>we were filming, and they said, the numbers are in

1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:45.840
<v Speaker 4>from last week's episode. You guys were number one for

1:36:45.880 --> 1:36:47.920
<v Speaker 4>the week. And someone said, we beat Law and Order,

1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:52.479
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know why they used that as the metric,

1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:55.000
<v Speaker 4>but somebody yelled out, we beat law and orders, so

1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:56.719
<v Speaker 4>that ties those two things together.

1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>So they probably always have had solid ratings. That's why

1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:03.759
<v Speaker 3>it's been on for twenty million years now. That's so funny.

1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so wow, So how was I mean, how was

1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>having Terry Hatcher for your on screen mom?

1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:11.200
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:16.960
<v Speaker 4>Wonderful? I really I really lucked out. I've I've lucked

1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:20.439
<v Speaker 4>out consistently in the the women that I've worked with,

1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:22.719
<v Speaker 4>and I've had a very I've had a very fortunate

1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:25.879
<v Speaker 4>career in that from a young age, I was working

1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:30.680
<v Speaker 4>with powerhouse women, leading shows, leading Broadway shows, leading you know,

1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.439
<v Speaker 4>television shows, and then went on to be on a

1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:36.080
<v Speaker 4>show for a long time that was dominated by women,

1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:39.320
<v Speaker 4>which is rare, you know, and and really showed me

1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:41.160
<v Speaker 4>kind of what was possible for me as an actor

1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:44.680
<v Speaker 4>and just sort of, you know, formed the way that

1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:46.519
<v Speaker 4>I operate in the industry and how I look at it.

1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Terry's fantastic. We hit it off from from day one

1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:55.000
<v Speaker 4>and and just you know, remain close to this day

1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:57.320
<v Speaker 4>and I just think she's she's the best.

1:37:58.160 --> 1:38:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I met her at a party like three years years

1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>ago and was like hello, Like I was like trying

1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>so hard to keep it together, but I was like,

1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been watching you in so many things my entire life,

1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:08.519
<v Speaker 1>and I was just.

1:38:08.479 --> 1:38:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, Hi, great to meet you. Hello. I feel

1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:15.200
<v Speaker 3>like I don't think I could. I don't remember what

1:38:15.200 --> 1:38:17.599
<v Speaker 3>we I think we talked about. I don't know we

1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:19.720
<v Speaker 3>were talking about something for a little while. But she

1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:21.960
<v Speaker 3>was super nice. And I can see she has like

1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:22.800
<v Speaker 3>a warmth about her.

1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I think you can tell that on television

1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and then it like translates in real life.

1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like she's very warm, she is very funny, and

1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:34.160
<v Speaker 4>she's just great. She's just great.

1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Was there ever any sibling like rivalry or fighting over

1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:41.479
<v Speaker 1>the fact that, like you guys were all in the

1:38:41.479 --> 1:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>same business.

1:38:42.200 --> 1:38:47.040
<v Speaker 4>I would say there is. There was never any negative competition,

1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:52.400
<v Speaker 4>okay between my siblings and I. We were each other's

1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:55.920
<v Speaker 4>cheerleaders and each other's support system. I will say that

1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:59.920
<v Speaker 4>I think I had a better shot at growing up

1:39:00.600 --> 1:39:06.840
<v Speaker 4>and turning out hopefully fingers crossed semi sane because I

1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.120
<v Speaker 4>had so many siblings and because I had a big

1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:14.240
<v Speaker 4>family who kept me in line, you know, and so no,

1:39:14.320 --> 1:39:15.880
<v Speaker 4>there really wasn't any of that of it. There was

1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.960
<v Speaker 4>really just commiseration more, you know, when things didn't go

1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.439
<v Speaker 4>our way. It was like nice to have a built

1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:26.360
<v Speaker 4>in person who got it and and relate and also

1:39:26.439 --> 1:39:27.960
<v Speaker 4>knew what it was like to do it as a kid.

1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:32.920
<v Speaker 4>I know, people who grew up and started young and

1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:36.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, had two parents but then just themselves, you know,

1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:39.000
<v Speaker 4>And I always thought, God, that must have been weird.

1:39:39.160 --> 1:39:39.479
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:41.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like you need a little support system, and we had.

1:39:41.960 --> 1:39:44.840
<v Speaker 4>We had a thriving support system within my own family,

1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:46.920
<v Speaker 4>many members.

1:39:46.680 --> 1:39:49.640
<v Speaker 2>You guys like run lines together and stuff and memorize

1:39:49.680 --> 1:39:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, super cute.

1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:55.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we definitely did. We totally did and still do.

1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:57.639
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:39:57.680 --> 1:39:59.880
<v Speaker 4>My dad worked with us a lot. I would, you know,

1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:04.200
<v Speaker 4>read lines with him a lot. And yeah, but my

1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:06.960
<v Speaker 4>brother Cameron is I work with him all the time

1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>still when I get you know, an audition or I

1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:12.800
<v Speaker 4>am about to film something and I want to do

1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.040
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of like prep work on it. He's

1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:16.000
<v Speaker 4>still somebody I go to.

1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:19.720
<v Speaker 3>So that's amazing. So nice, I.

1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Know, it does, it's it is nice.

1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:22.280
<v Speaker 3>It's very nice.

1:40:22.439 --> 1:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my siblings and I all do completely different stuff.

1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't even know what, but the there was

1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>always like great of overlap.

1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, none of you overlap at all.

1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:35.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we all so interestingly, what's the age? What's the

1:40:35.600 --> 1:40:36.880
<v Speaker 4>age between the first and the last.

1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:39.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's like I'm nine years older than my oldest

1:40:40.120 --> 1:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>my youngest brother, it's the same. Yeah, we're like one

1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:45.240
<v Speaker 1>two three, Me and my brother and sister are one

1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>two three, and then there's like five years and then

1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:48.599
<v Speaker 1>twins and then the youngest.

1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:40:49.400 --> 1:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so my mom wanted to have more after she's psychotic.

1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:55.120
<v Speaker 4>My mom too. I feel like once you start, once

1:40:55.160 --> 1:40:56.799
<v Speaker 4>you pass four, it's like a drug.

1:40:56.880 --> 1:40:58.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's like tattoos.

1:40:58.520 --> 1:40:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just want to get more.

1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:03.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all six of us were born, Yeah in nine years,

1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:07.320
<v Speaker 4>So my sister in eighty one and me and ninety.

1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>And she's like yeah, so I'm like more, I'm closer,

1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm closer to your sister's age. And then you are

1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit younger than my youngest brother.

1:41:15.360 --> 1:41:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so crazy, But that's like, I what a cool Like,

1:41:21.800 --> 1:41:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is nice to hear about little kids

1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that also are in the business and then grow up

1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>to be normal and not like totally crazy. And it

1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.240
<v Speaker 1>sounds like your parents really had their heads on straight

1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:33.280
<v Speaker 1>about the whole thing too.

1:41:33.439 --> 1:41:37.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think they. I really think that they did

1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:44.160
<v Speaker 4>a pretty remarkable job trying to create a safe and

1:41:45.600 --> 1:41:47.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, I try not to use the word like normal,

1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:50.800
<v Speaker 4>because what is that, right? What is normal but a

1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:56.240
<v Speaker 4>safe and grounded family dynamic between all of us, even

1:41:56.240 --> 1:42:00.519
<v Speaker 4>though our circumstances were a little extraordinary, though, it was

1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:03.559
<v Speaker 4>like we had this weird dichotomy happening all the time

1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:05.320
<v Speaker 4>where it was like at home it was just very

1:42:05.400 --> 1:42:07.599
<v Speaker 4>much your regular family, except for the fact that there

1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:09.840
<v Speaker 4>were so many kids and no rooms to be in.

1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:12.519
<v Speaker 4>But then outside of our apartment, there was so much

1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.960
<v Speaker 4>going on all the time, and somehow they struck a

1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:18.000
<v Speaker 4>very nice balance between us all and we are all

1:42:18.080 --> 1:42:21.000
<v Speaker 4>very close and yeah.

1:42:21.400 --> 1:42:23.639
<v Speaker 3>So great. What's coming up?

1:42:24.320 --> 1:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that we should look out for, something

1:42:26.720 --> 1:42:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you'd like to tell our listeners to watch?

1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Sure, So I just finished filming a I guess it

1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:37.920
<v Speaker 4>would be a thriller for Lifetime, And I think there's

1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:40.800
<v Speaker 4>a probably a crossover audience between Law and Order fans

1:42:40.800 --> 1:42:44.360
<v Speaker 4>and Lifetime movie fans. Oh yeah, and so maybe that'll

1:42:44.360 --> 1:42:47.439
<v Speaker 4>be of interest. And I don't know, when it's going

1:42:47.479 --> 1:42:51.519
<v Speaker 4>to air. I believe it will be this year, sometime

1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:54.600
<v Speaker 4>over the next few months. It was directed by Marla Sokoloff,

1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:58.680
<v Speaker 4>who I, oh, I don't know if she was on

1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Law and Order. I would guess she was at some point.

1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, she was on the Practice, so I like another

1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>law show.

1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:08.519
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and she was like the bad girl on

1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Full House.

1:43:09.320 --> 1:43:15.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she's had so much attitude forgot

1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:21.120
<v Speaker 4>about that. I know her, She's so great and and

1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:23.760
<v Speaker 4>we had the best time working together and also talking

1:43:23.760 --> 1:43:26.360
<v Speaker 4>about like growing up in this business and then you know,

1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:28.680
<v Speaker 4>branching off to do other things, and so we had

1:43:28.720 --> 1:43:31.320
<v Speaker 4>a lot of fun. We filmed that I guess in

1:43:31.720 --> 1:43:36.160
<v Speaker 4>late May into June, and so that should be out

1:43:36.360 --> 1:43:37.200
<v Speaker 4>sometime soon.

1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:39.320
<v Speaker 3>And what did you say that was called?

1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I think so they always have like a working title

1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:45.639
<v Speaker 4>and then they have what they eventually become named as.

1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:49.040
<v Speaker 4>And I think I think it's they're cementing it as

1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:51.960
<v Speaker 4>d Hall Past Nightmare.

1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Hall Past Nightmare.

1:43:55.080 --> 1:43:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Is this about somebody getting to have sex with their

1:43:56.800 --> 1:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>hall Pass?

1:43:57.479 --> 1:44:02.639
<v Speaker 4>It would be me yeah, oh, kind of scandalous for lifetime,

1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:04.120
<v Speaker 4>A little racy, I.

1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Know, like very indecent proposal. For the lifetime. I love that.

1:44:10.400 --> 1:44:12.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we had a good time.

1:44:13.080 --> 1:44:13.639
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I saw like you've been doing some lifetime stuff.

1:44:16.400 --> 1:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you do Hallmark stuff as well?

1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:19.360
<v Speaker 3>I did one.

1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:25.120
<v Speaker 4>I did one in my early twenties or maybe when

1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:28.640
<v Speaker 4>I was nineteen nineteen or twenty, and I played a

1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:34.280
<v Speaker 4>paraplegia a girl who was a professional horse rider and

1:44:34.720 --> 1:44:37.840
<v Speaker 4>got bucked off her horse and became a paraplegic, but

1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:42.120
<v Speaker 4>then through equine therapy and romance, she was able to

1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:43.040
<v Speaker 4>learn to walk again.

1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I was able to walk again. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah,

1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the power of.

1:44:49.800 --> 1:44:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh I love it. I know. Well, I cannot wait

1:44:53.040 --> 1:44:56.240
<v Speaker 3>to see hall Past night Mare. Thank you. Sounds amazing.

1:44:56.439 --> 1:44:58.040
<v Speaker 4>My grandma too. But then I told her, I was like,

1:44:58.080 --> 1:45:00.400
<v Speaker 4>there might be some parts you have to like not watch.

1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:02.920
<v Speaker 4>She was like at the lifetime and I.

1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Was like, yeah, I know, but maybe a yeah.

1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:08.919
<v Speaker 1>A lifetime is it's lifetime in twenty twenty two, grandma, exactly.

1:45:09.160 --> 1:45:10.280
<v Speaker 3>They got to keep up with the time.

1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:11.639
<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's right.

1:45:13.320 --> 1:45:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much for Lisa. I don't know,

1:45:15.439 --> 1:45:17.200
<v Speaker 3>do you have any lasts? This is very fun. No,

1:45:17.400 --> 1:45:18.080
<v Speaker 3>I had a great time.

1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was just going to say I did see

1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that you were on King of the Hill, and what

1:45:20.960 --> 1:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>a great show, and that's so cool to be a cartoon.

1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:25.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did. I was.

1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.280
<v Speaker 4>That was great. That was fun because once you're in

1:45:28.439 --> 1:45:31.519
<v Speaker 4>that world, you kind of just are I don't want

1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:32.880
<v Speaker 4>to say a pitch hitter because that sounds like I'm

1:45:32.920 --> 1:45:35.400
<v Speaker 4>really like singing tooting my own horn. But I mean

1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:37.479
<v Speaker 4>you're just brought in when they need, you know, people

1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:39.080
<v Speaker 4>to come in to play a teenage boye or to

1:45:39.080 --> 1:45:41.120
<v Speaker 4>play a young woman's voice, or to pay you know,

1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:43.960
<v Speaker 4>a boys like whatever. And so I got I got

1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:46.800
<v Speaker 4>into that show. I forget what the first episode I did.

1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:48.559
<v Speaker 4>But then they you know, call every now and again

1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:50.640
<v Speaker 4>and then pop in and do to you. And that

1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:52.960
<v Speaker 4>is one of the shows where the few shows that

1:45:53.040 --> 1:45:55.800
<v Speaker 4>where they used to record everybody kind of at the

1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:58.720
<v Speaker 4>same time, so you'd be actually in the studio as

1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:00.799
<v Speaker 4>opposed to just being by yourself and in your own Lindes.

1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:03.120
<v Speaker 4>You would get to be with other people in your

1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:05.320
<v Speaker 4>scene and it was such an amazing cast that it

1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:06.200
<v Speaker 4>was always so fun.

1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:07.439
<v Speaker 3>That's cool.

1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's like why like a secret to

1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:12.599
<v Speaker 1>why it's so been so successful. And why people love

1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>it so much is like there's actual like chemistry going

1:46:15.439 --> 1:46:16.439
<v Speaker 1>on between the people.

1:46:16.760 --> 1:46:18.920
<v Speaker 4>It could be, it could be. It definitely feels more

1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:20.679
<v Speaker 4>like a play or a lot, you know, a live

1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:24.519
<v Speaker 4>performance than than because I mean, I love the animated

1:46:24.600 --> 1:46:27.160
<v Speaker 4>world and I've been lucky enough to do a lot

1:46:27.240 --> 1:46:30.639
<v Speaker 4>of voice work throughout my career. There's always a difference

1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:32.280
<v Speaker 4>when you're getting to read with the person who's in

1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:34.200
<v Speaker 4>the scene with you and then when you're just alone

1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:37.519
<v Speaker 4>imagining kind of what they might be doing. So it

1:46:37.560 --> 1:46:40.240
<v Speaker 4>probably is part of why it's such a special show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well this was amazing. I'm so excited we got

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is one of the episodes we've been dying

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<v Speaker 2>to do since we started the pod. It's a favorite

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<v Speaker 2>of ours. It's like scary and so thrilling. Oh caro,

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<v Speaker 2>we did not Is it your little hand in the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning with the car? Yeah, did they put you under

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<v Speaker 2>the car?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not my hand. Oh, it is not my hand.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know whose little hand that is. Unlast I'm crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna have to ask my mom because she would remember,

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<v Speaker 4>but I am pretty sure that I that they were.

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<v Speaker 4>It was on this sheet to film a certain day

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<v Speaker 4>and we didn't get to it, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just we'll just pick it up sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>I grabbed it like from maybe some other kid from

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<v Speaker 1>like about like because I was like, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>have you there for a full shooting day or night

1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:28.439
<v Speaker 1>or whatever in cold New York just for your little

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<v Speaker 1>hand to pop up.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, but it's pretty tragic when you see that

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<v Speaker 4>little hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Liza, that was my most important question. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>glad you did not let me forget it. Thank you, Kara,

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<v Speaker 1>always have your back.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. This was awesome. Yeah, so impressive. Wow,

1:47:48.920 --> 1:47:50.639
<v Speaker 3>she's so fun, she's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, to find a family who hasn't been fucked

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<v Speaker 2>up from child acting, that's I know. I'm happy for her,

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<v Speaker 2>her family, the choices they've made.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, she's really crushing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>To be Broadway. I mean, she could be Leah Michelle

1:48:05.640 --> 1:48:08.479
<v Speaker 3>style bitch, and she chose not to, and she chose

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<v Speaker 3>she chose kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode is a I don't know why I like

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<v Speaker 1>it or like call it a classic, but it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess what I've learned is you have to

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<v Speaker 2>look at every license plate forever or Marishka Hargatay will

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<v Speaker 2>be pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's crazy is I used to like memorize

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<v Speaker 1>license plates all the time, thinking if that, if that

1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>does something in a crime, I'm gonna remember. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would like make little mnamonic devices being like cats love

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<v Speaker 1>food CLF like that was like the license plate, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I would always try to remember them all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, like when I was like a like a preteen,

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<v Speaker 1>like like just thinking of all the crime shows i'd watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, I'm going to be the witness that

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<v Speaker 1>remembers that license plate number. Guess what, I don't even

1:48:52.800 --> 1:48:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know my own license plate number right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I could tell you the first two digits.

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<v Speaker 2>We were driving through Pennsylvania from Western New York so

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<v Speaker 2>togain back into the city, and we passed the crime

1:49:06.800 --> 1:49:10.720
<v Speaker 2>scene in the woods. WHOA, there was like detectives in

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<v Speaker 2>suits and then there was someone with a CSU tank

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<v Speaker 2>to like a crime scene investigation CSI. There was like

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<v Speaker 2>people in CSI T shirts suits and they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of the highway like into the woods in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>So damn, I wonder what they found.

1:49:24.720 --> 1:49:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, we were trying to google and stuff,

1:49:27.920 --> 1:49:30.200
<v Speaker 2>but it seemed like an active investigation, so like we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't find anything in the news, so I don't know.

1:49:33.120 --> 1:49:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow, wow, wow, wow wow, that's exciting, and he is

1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:37.040
<v Speaker 3>it's sad.

1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And then oh, you posted this and I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>see until then, but my friend Marie Fauston went viral

1:49:45.000 --> 1:49:49.400
<v Speaker 2>with that SVU video so funny, and he gave her

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<v Speaker 2>a T shirt. I don't know if you saw, but

1:49:50.960 --> 1:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>he brought her merch. But she said she cannot date

1:49:54.040 --> 1:49:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a cop. That there's absolutely no way. Yeah, she's so funny.

1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:00.479
<v Speaker 2>That video is so funny. So many of you have

1:50:00.560 --> 1:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>sent us that video of the girl who goes on

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<v Speaker 2>a date with a detective and mentions like SBU and stuff,

1:50:05.800 --> 1:50:08.240
<v Speaker 2>and well, because I asked for a photo and she's like, no, no,

1:50:08.360 --> 1:50:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I met him in the wild. I don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>any photos of him.

1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, she met him out in the world. But

1:50:14.960 --> 1:50:16.240
<v Speaker 3>he tricked her because he smelled good.

1:50:16.360 --> 1:50:19.120
<v Speaker 2>She said, yeah, so I saw her last night, got

1:50:19.200 --> 1:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the scoop. But she is she will not be dating.

1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:25.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I understand that.

1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but my sister sent me her video too. Everyone

1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>was saying, it's like fun, yeah.

1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, do we have any takeaways postmortem for the episode countdown?

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<v Speaker 1>There's not me. It's not really the kind of episode

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<v Speaker 1>where you learn anything that you did not already.

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<v Speaker 2>Puppies puppies, Yeah, I mean you teach puppies are the

1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:45.479
<v Speaker 2>new candy.

1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't let kids get lured away.

1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Don eat candy corn only. Also, who is taking child photos?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's double check them, triple check them. Let's get surveillance

1:50:57.080 --> 1:51:00.599
<v Speaker 2>on anyone that does school photos. Yeah, for it's going

1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:03.200
<v Speaker 2>to be a pedophile in every district. I can't imagine

1:51:03.439 --> 1:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>who else is doing school photos.

1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, people who do photography and need to pay their.

1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Bills and pedophile. This is how I feel about. You know,

1:51:09.960 --> 1:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like the step parent thing. It's not fair of me.

1:51:12.000 --> 1:51:13.519
<v Speaker 2>But if you're a step parent and you're a man,

1:51:13.640 --> 1:51:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I assume you're doing it to get to the child.

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<v Speaker 2>She's joking's.

1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I ain't joking, bitch.

1:51:23.240 --> 1:51:24.360
<v Speaker 1>And I ain't joking.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a perfect segue into this week's what would

1:51:30.120 --> 1:51:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Sister peg do? You know, it's interesting that we're talking

1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about puppies and stuff like that, because for this week's

1:51:36.040 --> 1:51:38.759
<v Speaker 1>what would Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly segment

1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:41.160
<v Speaker 1>where we talk to you guys, give you as an article,

1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:46.080
<v Speaker 1>a organization, something that a book, something that can help

1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you flesh out a little bit more about what you

1:51:48.920 --> 1:51:51.080
<v Speaker 1>learned or saw in this week's episode or what we

1:51:51.160 --> 1:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>talked about. A lot of people rely, like so heavily

1:51:55.360 --> 1:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>on stranger danger, but there's like so many other ways

1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:01.280
<v Speaker 1>of protecting your kids against child predators.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just I found this.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh there's this website called very well Family dot com

1:52:07.680 --> 1:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like a bunch of like nurses and

1:52:10.479 --> 1:52:12.920
<v Speaker 1>doctors and people that get together and talk about parenting

1:52:12.960 --> 1:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff and write articles about parenting stuff and everything's like,

1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:19.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, seems like fact checked and legit to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So this article that I found there was written by

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Lee, and it's called Protecting against Child Predators and

1:52:25.200 --> 1:52:28.280
<v Speaker 1>it just had some interesting ways on how to educate

1:52:28.320 --> 1:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>your kids against child predators, like teaching your kids how

1:52:30.840 --> 1:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to say no and instead of focusing on full stranger danger,

1:52:34.160 --> 1:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>knowing that there's all like so many kids are often

1:52:37.400 --> 1:52:39.760
<v Speaker 1>victimized by people that they do know, So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily even though in this episode, you know there it

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<v Speaker 1>was full stranger danger.

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<v Speaker 2>Well did you see the most recent snatching by the way,

1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>on the internet. There was like a girl playing outside

1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:51.280
<v Speaker 2>her house and some guy tried to snatch her and

1:52:51.400 --> 1:52:54.760
<v Speaker 2>she like kept like she fought him off, got caught

1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:55.639
<v Speaker 2>on the ring camera.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Good girl.

1:52:58.760 --> 1:52:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to teach our kid y, yeah, we got

1:53:02.240 --> 1:53:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to teach our kids. So anyway, this is You can

1:53:05.160 --> 1:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>check out the website very well family dot com. Their

1:53:08.040 --> 1:53:11.560
<v Speaker 1>parenting articles are all medically reviewed and the link to

1:53:11.640 --> 1:53:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the actual article will of course be in our show

1:53:14.320 --> 1:53:17.439
<v Speaker 1>notes and in our stories, and all of our what

1:53:17.760 --> 1:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Sister pegdew stories are saved in a highlight on our

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram called wwspd if you ever want to check out

1:53:24.640 --> 1:53:25.960
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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for that, Kara. We need to

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<v Speaker 3>protect our children.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week the episode will be Rhodium Nights, Season thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode twenty three. We're jazzed as fuck and so happy

1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>that you guys listen, and we'll see you soon next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Come see us on tour and we love you guys.

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