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Speaker 1: Every day.

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Speaker 2: Click up the Breakfast Club, finish for y'all. Done.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the worlds most dangerous morning to show the

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. Charlamagnea God, just hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Envy and Laura La Ross are out to day.

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Speaker 3: But we got a special guest in the building, Pastor

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Speaker 3: doctor Jamal Bryan is here.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm doing great. Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: What does m L k J. You mean to you? Brother? Man?

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Speaker 1: He means don't fight people.

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Speaker 4: I gotta remind myself sometimes you just.

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Speaker 1: Got to have peace.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's a difficult thing. It's easy to say,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to do.

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Speaker 2: You know. We was having a conversation that just got

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Speaker 2: in trouble for because when the guy came into your church,

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Speaker 2: yes and you you said he should be arrested. Right.

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Speaker 3: Jess was saying that y'all should just beat his ass

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Speaker 3: because she said, well, she in the church, she used

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Speaker 3: to grow up in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: They used to beat people. Her mama says, no, that

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Speaker 2: is not true.

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Speaker 4: No, but I've raised it. Not even he should be arrested.

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Speaker 4: What's crazy is he's a pastor who left his church

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Speaker 4: in Alabama, and drove an hour and a half to

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Speaker 4: disrupt somebody else's church. But the catch to me, Charmaine,

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Speaker 4: is don't arrest him, arrest his wife who filmed it

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Speaker 4: and did it on the same principle that y'all arrested

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Speaker 4: Don Lemon and Georgia Forte. So if you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: deal with the protester, deal with the journalists who captured it.

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Speaker 2: Any movement on nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 4: Now do you know how fast we would have been

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Speaker 4: arrested if we beat them old white people up. I'd

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Speaker 4: have a go fund me right now. Please release Pastor Bryant. No,

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Speaker 4: it's inequitable in America. What justice is supposed to look like.

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Speaker 4: Justice for white evangelicals is who agrees with me? And

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Speaker 4: if you don't don't agree with me, then you have

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Speaker 4: to hit a pay a penalty and a cost to it.

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you personally balance write your

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Speaker 3: anger yes with spiritual peace in this world that is

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Speaker 3: constantly on edge and constantly trying you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you got to remember people just want to

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Speaker 4: make Jesus weak and absence of testosterone. He kicked over

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Speaker 4: tables and pulled out whips. He cursed people and said

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Speaker 4: that you were out of order, he said to pedophiles

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Speaker 4: off Epstein Island. It's better for you to put a

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Speaker 4: rock around your neck and jump into an ocean. Hey people, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: people want to pick and choose the lane that Jesus

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Speaker 4: was in. But I think that we've got a responsibility

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Speaker 4: to speak.

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Speaker 1: Truth to power.

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Speaker 3: You know what's the dif's men being allowed pastor in

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Speaker 3: a listening past because I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like you do both.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you have to do both. Theolojen said,

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Speaker 4: you got to have a newspaper in one hand and a.

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Speaker 1: Bible and another.

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Speaker 4: Who I am concerned about is preachers who say nothing

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Speaker 4: about nothing. They don't speak to a speak to a

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Speaker 4: different lane. So if you can't say anything about the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files, are you gonna say something about immigration? If

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Speaker 4: you ain't gonna say nothing about immigration, Are you gonna

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Speaker 4: say something about affordable health care? If you ain't gonna

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Speaker 4: say nothing about affordable health care? You're gonna say something

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Speaker 4: about the defunding of HBCUs. If you ain't gonna say

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Speaker 4: nothing about that. Are you gonna say something about the

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Speaker 4: Endangement on Voting Rights Act?

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Speaker 1: So find something?

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, you're not a preacher you're just a ted talk speaker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's your duty in a way

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Speaker 3: because you are a leader, right and you're a community

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Speaker 3: leader at that. So how do you sit in front

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Speaker 3: of these people every Sunday knowing that they got all

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Speaker 3: these things on their mind?

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Speaker 2: Or not talk about it?

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Speaker 4: And that's what I say the white evangelical preachers who

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Speaker 4: can find righteousness until it deals with Trump.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting on record for one white.

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Speaker 4: Evangelical preacher to call out Trump and his minions on pedophilia.

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Speaker 4: You're very quick to talk about everything else. We went

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Speaker 4: from black lives matter to all lives matter, but nobody

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Speaker 4: no redress. They're quick to talk about righteousness, talk about

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Speaker 4: they couldn't support Kamala Harris because she was pro life,

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Speaker 4: But what about the people who are alive? Are you

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Speaker 5: How do you respond to critics that say church folks

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Speaker 5: just stay out of politics.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then they don't understand the Bible. The reality is

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Speaker 4: eighty seven percent of what Jesus did was outside of

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Speaker 4: the church. What the present American church does is speak

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Speaker 4: that eighty seven percent of what's inside. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's why a lot of young people don't go to

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Speaker 4: church anymore, because they're not hearing anything. Dick Gregory said,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about pie in the sky.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about a pound on the ground.

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Speaker 4: So if you're not dealing with what I'm dealing with

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Speaker 4: in my contemporary life, then it really is not speaking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't keep politics out of church when

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, they claim that we are a Christian nation, but

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Speaker 4: we don't see it in the values and in the virtues.

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Speaker 4: How it is that this administration has dishonored and disrespected

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Speaker 4: black women time and time again. The way that Pambondi

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Speaker 1: So I think that we got to do a whole evaluation.

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Speaker 4: She said, if everything in the Epstein list comes out,

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Speaker 4: is going to destroy your whole system, Destroy the system,

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Speaker 4: and let's let's rebuild.

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Speaker 3: We don't talk about that. We don't talk about destroying

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Speaker 4: Because I think that people like being safe. And that's

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Speaker 4: why a lot of people don't change. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people don't stretch. Is they get comfortable in what they know. Jess,

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Speaker 4: it is basket and Robins has thirty one flavors. All

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Speaker 4: of us know. We from South Carolina, we from Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: Everybody knows thirty one flavors. The number one selling ice

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Speaker 4: that which is regular, and that's which is normal. So

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Speaker 4: whenever God is coming to disrupt your life, he gonna

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Speaker 4: it so that you can't just keep going on with

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Speaker 5: Do you not well, do you find it difficult to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it's one and the same. I'm not

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Speaker 4: and you are a comedians. So when people listen to you,

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Speaker 4: you able to operate in both. It is only church

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Speaker 4: people that want you to pick one gift. They only

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Speaker 4: want you to stay in one lane. People who have

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Speaker 4: more than one gift have the greatest level of frustration because.

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Speaker 1: People put you in a box.

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Speaker 4: When we grew up as children in church, we were

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Speaker 4: told about three wise men that brought gold, franking, sense

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Speaker 4: of mirth Charlemagne. There's nowhere in the Bible that says

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Speaker 4: It just says that wise men came bringing gold, franking, sense,

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Speaker 4: deal with depression the most are the people who are

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Speaker 4: it becomes frustrating because they trying to figure out why

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Speaker 4: you're doing all of that. It don't take all of that,

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Speaker 4: and so you gotta second guess yourself. Am I doing

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Speaker 4: too much? Why am I not normal? Why do I

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Speaker 4: But greatness is never left to normalcy. It's always put

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Speaker 2: You think you doing what you called to do.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, if I died and came back twice, I would

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Speaker 4: be where it is that I'm supposed to be. I

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Speaker 4: find my greatest level of fulfillment operating in my lane.

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Speaker 4: And the problem Charlemagne jests with social media is we

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Speaker 4: have become addicted to affirmation. But can you do what

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Speaker 4: nobody else likes it, if nobody else believes in it.

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Speaker 4: Most people behind Nagandhi say, at first they laugh at you,

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Speaker 4: to figure out how do I navigate that space of

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Speaker 4: My dad says he is glad he was an Obama's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that there's no way that you would have made it.

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Speaker 4: And so even people who are filled with faith can

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Speaker 4: be wrong, Even people who are Christians can be wrong

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Speaker 4: when God is doing something different than you got to

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Speaker 2: To walk in. I love that Gandhi quote. It's first

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Speaker 1: You, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Then yes? Did they fight you?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And then you would you? Have you gone through all

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Speaker 2: those da I'm still going through it.

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Speaker 1: It's in cycles. Yeah, ask me again on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And you are to be ignored nowadays.

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Speaker 1: Listen even when I want to be.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: Bishop Jakes said to me years ago that.

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Speaker 4: After you get famous, to only thing you can do

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Speaker 4: the gift of anonymity, So not being known is a blessing.

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Speaker 4: I was just talking to my team before we came

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Speaker 4: in here. The highest selling drug in America, the people,

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Speaker 4: the narcotic that people are most addicted to, is famed.

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Speaker 1: People just want to be seen, so they went on

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Speaker 1: the island. They participated in the rituals.

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Speaker 4: They was eating flesh, they were dealing with babies, not

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Speaker 4: even necessarily because they were drawn to it. But they

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Speaker 4: told them this is the receipt you got to have

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Speaker 4: in order to be in this space. And a lot

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Speaker 4: of people compromise themselves for popularity. Even at the risk

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Speaker 4: of their own integrity.

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Speaker 3: Pastor, you just answered the question that I've been asking

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Speaker 3: all week. And I don't want to sound crazy when

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Speaker 3: I ask it, but I literally have been asking.

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Speaker 2: Are these people natural born pedophiles?

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Speaker 3: Are they participating in some type of rituals that like

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Speaker 3: something they had to do to be in that environment.

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Speaker 2: Either way it's yes.

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Speaker 1: But look at the girl.

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Speaker 4: The lady who got the job at the United Nations

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Speaker 4: from UAE United Arab Arab Emirates.

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Speaker 1: Epstein didn't ask for her little sister.

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Speaker 4: She volunteered her thirteen year old sister and say, oh,

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Speaker 5: One thing I always loved about you passing Jamal Brown

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Speaker 2: But it's something God had to script from you before

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Speaker 4: three jewelry stores five blocks from here. But we're not

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Speaker 4: looking for They're not looking for fame or notoriety or

444
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Speaker 4: popularity or affirmation. They're doing the work. And I think

445
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Speaker 4: that the church has got to do a better job

446
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Speaker 4: of doing the work. It's okay for you to have money.

447
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Speaker 4: I say to people, don't tell people the tithe if

448
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Speaker 4: you never taught them how to invest. If the only

449
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Speaker 4: time I hear about money in church is about giving it,

450
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Speaker 4: but not on multiplying it, my job as a pastor

451
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Speaker 4: is not just to talk about you giving the tithe,

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Speaker 4: but to show you how to multiply the ninety And

453
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Speaker 4: if I'm not showing you how to be a good steward,

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Speaker 4: then I'm doing a bad job. Desmond Tutu said, at

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Speaker 4: the end of every year, the poor people in the

456
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Speaker 4: community should vote to see if the church should be

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Speaker 4: open another year. And if the poor people voted in

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Speaker 4: the community where your church is, would they stay open?

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Speaker 4: And I think that we got a responsibility to serve

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Speaker 4: our people.

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Speaker 3: How do you navigate social media because you're on it

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Speaker 3: a lot. But the devil is busy, right, there's a

463
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Speaker 3: lot of things that aren't real. So how do you

464
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Speaker 3: have the capacity to know what's what before you comment

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Speaker 3: on it or share. I'm sure people be sending you

466
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Speaker 3: stuff all the agame. Look at this, Well, how does

467
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Speaker 3: your discernment work in the digital is I got to.

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Speaker 4: Figure out how do I advance the Kingdom, the gospel

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Speaker 4: and the message. Our sanctuary in Atlanta holds a couple

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Speaker 4: of thousand people, but online on Sunday morning's fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So I can't preach against.

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Speaker 4: Social media when social media is how people are getting

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Speaker 4: the gospel. The reality is more people go to church

475
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Speaker 4: online than go in person. And so we got to

476
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Speaker 4: figure out how do we use it towards our good

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Speaker 4: and really amplify the message. Our people regrettably have an

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Speaker 4: appetite for bad news. Yes, so more people are gonna

479
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Speaker 4: go find out what happened with Cardi b uh than

480
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Speaker 4: what happened to the Haitians who are unprotected uh.

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Speaker 1: And so we got to figure out how do we

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Speaker 1: advance it?

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Speaker 4: And so we've got to really save God our platform

484
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Speaker 4: so that those positive messages still come through.

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Speaker 2: What's up with the Target boycott? Any man?

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. Let me first say, a

487
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Speaker 4: year ago I came here, you wasn't here.

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Speaker 1: You wasn't here.

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Speaker 2: A year ago you got the church members that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she come for communion. That's right, friends and

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Speaker 1: family day, I got it.

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Speaker 4: So let let me first thank you because when we

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Speaker 4: first started, Breakfast Club brought us on and was our

494
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Speaker 4: biggest platform to announce it. So let me thank the

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Speaker 4: family because of the black community coming together.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Target has lost twelve billion dollars because the community came together.

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Speaker 4: Their stock dropped from one hundred and forty five dollars

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Speaker 4: a share the ninety three dollars a share. I want

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Speaker 4: to thank the community because foot traffic has gone down

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Speaker 4: by nine point three percent and online spending has dropped

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Speaker 4: at that same number.

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Speaker 1: So I want to first thank you because.

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Speaker 4: This is the largest boycott for black people since the

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Speaker 4: Montgomery bus boycotts seventy years ago, and it wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: happened without the Breakfast Club partner with us. I'm excited

507
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Speaker 4: because Target has a new CEO. They started just recently

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Speaker 4: and so we're in active conversations to try.

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Speaker 1: To come to a resolve.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about his leadership that he wants it resolved

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Speaker 4: and wants to know how he can partner better with

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Speaker 4: the community. So not too soon, I'm going to be

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Speaker 4: coming back to you to tell you where it is

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Speaker 4: that we are. But I think it won't be long

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Speaker 4: before we're able to come to a close.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a resolution plan in mind? Like, do

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Speaker 2: you know what you're after? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm after those same four things I told you about.

519
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Speaker 1: Is that they got a partner with some HBCUs.

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Speaker 4: They've got to give an account to investing two billion

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Speaker 4: dollars back into the black community. They've got to reimagine

522
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Speaker 4: if de I is now illegal, how do minorities have

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Speaker 4: access to get the C suites.

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Speaker 1: In the company?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And four is to make good to what they said

527
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Speaker 1: to George Floyd's family.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing to me that all of these corporations want

529
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Speaker 3: to shun DEI initiatives. But diversity is the only thing moving.

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Speaker 3: Diversity is what's cool. Diversity is what got people showing up.

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Speaker 3: Bad Bunny had one hundred and thirty five million people

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Speaker 3: watch that other thing they did.

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Speaker 1: That Donald Trump watched, didn't. I gotta add that that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump watch.

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Speaker 4: Listen that the canvas just dropped that they pre taped

536
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Speaker 4: two weeks before the super Bowl. It was only two

537
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Speaker 4: hundred people in there, and they paid him two hundred

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Speaker 4: dollars a piece in order to be there.

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Speaker 2: And there we are.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all of that, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: If a young person's listening this morning, it's my last

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Speaker 3: question and they feel called, but they feel unqualified.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what would you tell them?

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Speaker 4: Then you're probably called God very rarely called you to

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Speaker 4: do something that you're trained to do, Very rarely called

547
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Speaker 4: you to do something that you got experience or background in.

548
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Speaker 4: He called you and to do something to see where

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Speaker 4: you trusted as a guy by the name of Peter

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Speaker 4: who saw Jesus walking on the water and said, God,

551
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Speaker 4: if that's you, let me come to where you are.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't gifted to do it, he didn't have any

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Speaker 4: talent to do it. He asked for it, and God said,

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Speaker 4: because you had enough audacity to ask for it, come walk.

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Speaker 4: And so I would say to people, ask God for

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Speaker 4: something dangerous, Ask God for something that if he don't

557
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Speaker 4: get involved, you're gonna fail At it ask God for

558
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Speaker 4: something that will put your entire name on the line,

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Speaker 4: and that's where God will show up. God has no

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Speaker 4: patience for people who dream safe dreaming a capacity to say,

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Speaker 4: hey God, if you don't get in this, then I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna have an egg on my face.

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Speaker 2: It's passing Jamal Bright. Yes, yes it is question because

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Speaker 2: I knew.

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Speaker 5: I just want to know this because you want to

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Speaker 5: say his pastor Tom Broden to look at me like

567
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Speaker 5: I got another name. Anyway, what is the difference? Now

568
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Speaker 5: this makes seem like a dumb question. Yes, what is

569
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Speaker 5: the difference between a reverend and a pastor? I've never

570
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Speaker 5: known that, but you're both correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what is the difference?

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Speaker 1: So a pastor has a church.

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Speaker 4: A reverend may just be preaching, but he's it doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a congregation that he's over. So Reverend Al Shopton

575
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Speaker 4: is a preacher, but he's not over a church.

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Speaker 2: I really did not know that. Yes, I never knew

577
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Speaker 2: that either. I just thought it was like the same,

578
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Speaker 2: like two words to say the same thing.

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Speaker 4: It means that you are ordained, but you're not necessarily

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Speaker 4: over a flop. Okay, okay, So Reverend Jesse Jackson never pastored.

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Speaker 1: But he's an ordained preacher.

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Speaker 5: Got so do people have to say reverend pastor doctor

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Speaker 5: Jamal brand No, okay.

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Speaker 1: Choose one up. Yeah no, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Where'd you go to high school in Baltimore?

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Speaker 2: I didn't go to high school in Baltimore. My mother,

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Speaker 2: she she made me so many.

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Speaker 5: I was getting in trouble when I was a teenager race,

590
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Speaker 5: so she moved me up eighty three to go to

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Speaker 5: high school in York, Pennsylvania high school, Yes, she did,

592
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Speaker 5: and I wanted to go to.

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Speaker 4: Represent your Pennsylvania. You've been on here saying just all Baltimore,

594
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Speaker 4: give your damn doune.

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Speaker 2: Now she knew what she talked about, how she got

596
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Speaker 2: hooked on drugs. But I'm not hooked no more, past

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Speaker 2: no more.

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Speaker 3: Yo.

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Speaker 1: The witness of Jehovah's be trying. I'm telling you not

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Speaker 1: the witnesses of Jehoah.

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Speaker 5: Because that's what him and his wife is, They witnesses

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Speaker 5: of Joe.

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Speaker 2: My mother was a Jehovah witness. My mother, gri mother

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Speaker 2: is the witness now, so I grib Jobah witness. I

605
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Speaker 2: didn't know that. Yes, sir, yes, sir, you're still a

606
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Speaker 2: witness to God's great glory. Yes I am.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, Yes, sir, Jehovah witnesses

608
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Speaker 4: don't believe in Christmas, they.

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Speaker 2: Don't celebrate holidays.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how did the.

611
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Speaker 4: Jackson five do a Christmas album? And y'all are Jehovah

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Speaker 4: witness Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: And Jackson I was Jehovah's witnesses. Oh my god. Yes

614
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Speaker 2: that's the word.

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Speaker 1: Mama Kay is still knocking on doors.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: They was getting that money?

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Speaker 2: Seriously, how did they do that? I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Go answer, Go ask them because you.

621
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Speaker 2: Just told us. God doesn't call to qualified.

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, qualified to call I got I was called.

623
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Speaker 4: I got it?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: All right? I saw Mama Kisson, Santa Claus right, the

626
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Speaker 1: witnesses of Jobah?

627
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Speaker 2: Howse passed? Jamal Brian is the breakfast club.

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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.

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Speaker 2: Click your ass up the breakfast glove.

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Speaker 1: You're finishing, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Dump