1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: So in some national slash international news, Assange has been 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: freed in a US plea deal. Wiki Leaks is now 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: confirming he has agreed to plead guilty in exchange for release, 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: ending his standoff with the United States of America. Here 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: is the latest on this story. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: A huge development overnight in a case that has captured 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: the world's attention for years. Wikileak's founder, Julian Assange, who's 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: been in jail for more than five years, may soon 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: be free. He's expected to appear in a US courtroom 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: tomorrow to accept a plea deal for espionage with a 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Department of Justice. Assnge was released from a British prison 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: last night and flew to his home country of Australia. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: He spent years trying to avoid US prosecution after seeking 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy as well. Assange is now 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: expected to plead guilty to a felony charge of violating 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: the Espionage Act. He released one of the largest US 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: government breaches of classified documents. Senen's nick following the story 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: for US, You've been following the story for a very 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: long time. This has been an incredibly long saga where 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: he's making his court appearance is part of this story. 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: Where is that happening is What does it say about 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: what's going on in his mind? 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: Well, it speaks a lot to Julian Losannge's state of mind, 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: the fact that he has an absolute distrust of the 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 3: US judicial system that he won't appear in a court 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: in North America to face this one count that he's 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: expected to enter this plea deal and agree to in 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: exchange for time served in jail. So he is going 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: to be appearing in a US district court in Saipan, 30 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: which is in the archipelago of islands in the Pacific Ocean, 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: not too far from Guam. He's on his way there now, 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: believed to be somewhere close to Bangkok, in the aircraft 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: that took him from the UK late yesterday afternoon. This 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: court is part of this sort of complex jigsaw puzzle 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: in sort of essentially facilitating Assange release. 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: And we've got details. 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: Of this in the last half an hour or so 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: from a UK court saying that this deal was essentially 39 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: worked out or signed off on in the middle of 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: last week, that the British court system has given him 41 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: leave to sort of forego his bail conditions. If you 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: will to leave the country to go face this count, 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: and the British courts expect by the end of this 44 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: week to get everything sort of signed side signed, sealed 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: and deliver from Assannger as side from the US side, 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: and will that will be an end of his case. 47 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: But it's been a hugely long road, not least for 48 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: his family and all those campaigning for his release. And 49 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: we've heard from his wife, Stella Massage, who's in we 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: believe Australia waiting for his arrival there in the coming days. 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: When we met he was under house arrest. It will 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 5: be the first time that I that I get to 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 5: see him as a fully free man. And I was 54 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 5: just when I was speaking to him, I said, well, 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 5: you know, we can walk, go for a walk and 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: there will be no restrictions, no curfew. 57 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 3: So it's been a head but an incredibly long road 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: to get to this point. As you said, you know, 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: two thousand and ten Assanngers in Sweden because the United 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: States is interested in bringing him to justice for the 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: Wiki leagues. Then he is under you know, facing an 62 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: arrest warrant from the Swedish authorities linked to rape allegations. 63 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: Flees to the UK twenty twelve. The UK says he 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: can be extra related to Sweden. Assannge bolts for the 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: Ecuadorian embassy in London. He's there until he's extra died 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: from there in twenty nineteen, held in the UK Belmarsh 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: Jail since then for the last sixty two months, fighting 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: extradition to the United States every step of the way. 69 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: So it's those sixty two months in Belmarsh jail which 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: were expected to be the time served, and that's why 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: he'll get off on this one count. 72 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 6: And we should mention this. 73 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: He was also responsible in twenty sixteen for releasing some 74 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: emails from the campaign chair of Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, 75 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: which played a role, but those are not any part 76 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: of these charges, but something to note. Nick Robertson in 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: London life for us this morning, I appreciate you well. 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 7: Joining me now from Camber is Australian Senator David Shubrich Senator. 79 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 7: Great to have you with us. You have continuously been 80 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 7: campaigning for Julian Assange's release. What was your reaction to 81 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 7: the news and what has been the reaction in his 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 7: native Australia. 83 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 8: Well, there are millions of Australians with a tear in 84 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 8: their eye at the moment that thought that Julian will 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 8: come home. And I know that was very much to 86 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 8: fill any in my office and many of the close 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 8: supporters of Julian. You know, his brother has been, you know, 88 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 8: constantly campaigned, and his dad has been constantly campaign and 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 8: his wife and his kids, and they've been joined by 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 8: millions of Australians who are just so glad that this 91 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 8: terrible saga will finally come to an end and Julian 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 8: will be able to come home and you know, spend 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 8: that time with his family, go for bushwalk, maybe have 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 8: a barbecue and go to the beach, because he deserves that. 95 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 7: His mother said in a statement, this shows the importance 96 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 7: and power of quiet diplomacy. Have you spoken to his family. 97 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 8: Well, I mean obviously his family is in close contact 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 8: with not just myself but with others, his brother and 99 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 8: his dad in particular, and the courage of his wife, 100 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 8: Sella has been extraordinary. Yes, it is about quiet diplomacy, 101 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 8: but I think it's far more about millions of ordinary 102 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 8: people across the planet who actually prize truth telling, who 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 8: think it's important that governments are held to account. That 104 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 8: militaries are held to account and they rate WikiLeaks and 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 8: what Julian Assange has done. Truth telling can be very 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 8: inconvenient for people in power, but Julian Assange stands for 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 8: that principle that a truth can be more powerful than 108 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 8: any government. 109 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 7: He has managed to wait out the US Department of Justice. 110 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 7: I wonder if you have any insights into this plea 111 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 7: deal and do you think it's a case of the 112 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 7: Biden administration wanting to put this to bed, a saga 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 7: that is dragged out for too long. As we heard 114 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 7: from the Australian Prime Minist Anthony Albanesi. 115 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 8: Well, I think this in part reflects the fact that 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 8: people in Washington from across the Isle, and not just Democrats, 117 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 8: but across the Isle and realize that it's important to 118 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 8: stand up for brave reporting. It's important to stand up 119 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 8: to the ability of people to hold governments to account. 120 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 8: As an Australian senator, I never thought it was legitimate 121 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 8: that the United States government could seek to prosecute an 122 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 8: Australian's citizen who was never on US soil, for the 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 8: so called crime of sharing the secrets of the United 124 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 8: States military. What Julian Assan showed was some pretty awful, 125 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 8: appalling instances of the United States military in Iraq, in 126 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 8: a war which my government was complicit in and also 127 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 8: involved in incidents like the collateral murder video. I don't 128 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 8: believe that it was ever a legitimate act from the 129 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 8: United States government to seek to prosecute an Australian citizen 130 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 8: who was not on US soil, who had no connection 131 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 8: with the United States for sharing that information. And I 132 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 8: am very glad that Julian is finally able to come home. 133 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: This story basically is another example of the weakness of 134 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the Biden administration and the Biden Department of Justice saying, Hey, 135 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: you've been avoiding responsibility for long enough. That fine, we 136 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: just want to move on from this. That is not 137 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: a reason to move on from this. Join as signs rogue. 138 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: He stole classified documents in state secrets and released them 139 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: on the internet. That is not a hero. Are there 140 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: some of the things they released that you could make 141 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: an argument that we should know about and shouldn't have 142 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: been hidden from us. Yeah, you can make that argument. 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that that argument is valid. It doesn't 144 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: mean that you should be able to just go rogue 145 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: and start releasing secrets on the internet the way that 146 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: he has. That's the problem. Juliana Massage is now a 147 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: free man, that's right, a free man. He can go 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: about his business. He is going to plead guilty to 149 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: one count in this country. And so now you're supposed 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: to be very, very very excited about this, right like 151 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: this is great news. Sons released from prison after a 152 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: US plea deal, ending this year's long saga. The latest 153 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: coming from moments ago, Good Evening. 154 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: After years of imprisonment and appeals, Julian Asange has left 155 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 4: the UK after agreeing to a plea deal with US authorities. 156 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 4: The Wikileik's founder was facing extradition to the US over 157 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: the publication of hundreds of thousands of classified US military 158 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: documents detailing America's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He had 159 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 4: been facing eighteen espionage charges. Instead, he'll plead guilty to 160 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: a single criminal charge, allowing him to walk free and 161 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: return to Australia as a convicted felon Under heavy secrecy. 162 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: Assande was freed on bail from Belmarsh Prison in London 163 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: on Monday. He left the country hours later from Stansted 164 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 4: Airport aboard a private jet. This afternoon, his aircraft made 165 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: a refueling stop in Bangkok en route to Saipan, the 166 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: capital of the US territory of the Northern Mariana Islands, 167 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: where tomorrow's sentencing hearing will take place. 168 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 9: Release the first steps towards freedom. This video, provided by 169 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 9: Wiki leaks Juliana Sange finally out of his maximum security cell. 170 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 9: His wife had recorded this message last week. 171 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 10: This period of our lives, I'm confident now has come 172 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 10: to an end, and I think that by this time 173 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 10: next week Julian will be free. Things are moving very 174 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 10: quickly and it's very difficult for us to plan or 175 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 10: even play out the next few hours and days. 176 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 9: Developments coming at lightning speed. News just breaking of a 177 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 9: plea deal when it was revealed Julianassange had already been 178 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 9: released from Belmarsh Prison in London, where he was held 179 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 9: in a cell twenty three hours a day for the 180 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 9: last five years. 181 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 11: Corstal Julian, of course, has been to deprive of freedom 182 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 11: for all these years, in the battle for journalistic freedom, 183 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 11: freedom to publish, foundation of democracy. 184 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 9: The Prime Minister had lobbied the US President directly during 185 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 9: his state visit last year Australia's leaders had joined on 186 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 9: the floor of Parliament to call for his release, in 187 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 9: a rare show of bipartisanship. 188 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 12: Will this is a welcome development. We recognize that these 189 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 12: proceedings are crucial and they're. 190 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 9: Delicate, repeating the diplomatic entreaty that's been used before the 191 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 9: cameras and behind closed doors. 192 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 12: Regardless of the views that people have about mister Osane's activities, 193 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 12: the cases dragged on for too long. There's nothing to 194 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 12: be gained by his continued incarceration, and we want him 195 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 12: brought home to Australia. 196 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 11: We think the UK and US justice systems should be 197 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 11: respected and we welcome the fact that. 198 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 13: Mister Sannge's guilty plea has allowed for him to be 199 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 13: released early. 200 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 9: Former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce was among a cross 201 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 9: bench group who were the loudest lobbyists working with US 202 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 9: Congress to apply pressure. 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 8: Everybody gets point where you say I think that's enough, 204 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 8: I think they'll do. 205 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 12: And for my part is well, I don't think should 206 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 12: ever have been there if. 207 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 8: He'd left it to the legal system, and it's highly 208 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 8: likely that Julian would be grinding his way through years 209 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 8: more of legal process and on his way to the 210 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 8: United States to face a secret a secret trial and 211 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 8: potentially years in jail. 212 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 9: The Republican firebrand Thomas Massey among those on Capitol Hill 213 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 9: in Washington who've been agitating for action. His liberation is 214 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 9: great news, but it's a travesty that he's already spent 215 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 9: so much time in jail. Obama, Trump and Biden should 216 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 9: never have pursued this prosecution. 217 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 14: It has been a case that has cast a very 218 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 14: long shadow over press freedom globally. 219 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 9: In a case that's never been simple or straightforward, the 220 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 9: expected final chapter to play out in a tiny island 221 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 9: courtroom before Judge Ramona Manglona. The Pacific island of Saipan 222 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 9: on US soil is known for its tranquil beaches, about 223 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 9: to be at the ebby center of a protracted global saga. 224 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 14: Julian's effectively had to pede guilty to an activity that's 225 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 14: the kind of activity that journalists globally perform day in 226 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 14: day out. It really has exposed that use and abuse 227 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 14: of national security type laws to silence journalists who would 228 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 14: seek to expose crimes committed by governments. 229 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 9: Julia Sanz touched down in Bangkok late this afternoon, the 230 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 9: global movement still on edge, once again seeking the mercy 231 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 9: of the courts. 232 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 4: And Chief political correspondent Anna Henderson joins me now from Canberra. 233 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: Good evening, Anna, this certainly came out of the blue. 234 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: Can you shed any light on the process of how 235 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: it happened? 236 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 9: Well, Catalina, of course, there had been some discussions as 237 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 9: early as last year, sort of signals being sent out 238 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 9: from the US about the potential that there could be 239 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 9: a plea deal on the TI and certainly when it 240 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 9: came to waking up this morning and this news unfolding, 241 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 9: it really was quite a surprise that sudden things to 242 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 9: be on the precipice of freedom and a life. Back 243 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 9: in Australia, we know that the UK High Commissioner, Stephen Smith, 244 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 9: a former senior Cabinet minister for the Labor Party, is 245 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 9: the UK High Commissioner. He was on the plane with 246 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 9: Julian Assange, we're told as he departed. We also know 247 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 9: that in Washington, another key kind of player in the 248 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 9: background is Kevin Rudd, former Labor Prime Minister and the 249 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 9: ambassador there for the US. We understand that behind the 250 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 9: scenes he has certainly been looking at ways that he 251 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 9: can really advance the case of Julian Assange with the 252 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 9: US Department of Justice and other authorities that had some 253 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 9: sway here. This moved from a press freedom issued in 254 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 9: Australia to a political issue. We saw the bipartisanship coming forward, 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 9: and then it's really become an issual of diplomacy between 256 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 9: Australia and the US. And certainly, while there are some 257 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 9: deep reservation about how Julian Esane made these decisions on 258 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 9: his way through to publishing this material, at this point 259 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 9: in time in this Parliament, there are very few members 260 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 9: of this building who are not really celebrating this decision tonight. 261 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: Thank you for your analysis, Anna Henderson. 262 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: So you can understand why they're so excited about this 263 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: in Australia because he didn't share state secrets about Australia. 264 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: This is a guy that shared state secrets about America. 265 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: So they're not focused on the threat to national security. 266 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: They're also not focused on who's going to do this 267 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: next and the copycats because now there's kind of a 268 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: game plan for this, like how do you pull this off? 269 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're going to do this, 270 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: how do you go about doing it like there's a 271 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: real clear, kind of now game plan for this, Like 272 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: this is the one two three punch, this is how 273 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: you do it. This is how you pull it off off. 274 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: If you're gonna do it, this is how you get 275 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: away with it. Yeah, you might have some years that 276 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: you are in you know, like in in exile. But 277 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: if you're a narcissist like Joannasage was standing out there 278 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: like he's some do gooder, some god on the Ecuadorian 279 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: balcony in the UK, then I think people think this 280 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: guy is an amazing guy and and and some sort 281 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: of hero there. It's one thing to do a story 282 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: to expose things. It's another thing to just blatantly just 283 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: drop hundreds of thousands of classified documents the way that 284 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: he did. And and he's gonna walk away from this, 285 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: I think, acting like he is a god. And he's 286 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: going to walk around like he's a celebrity, and he 287 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: is going to empower others to steal state secrets and 288 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: publish them. I don't know if that is what we 289 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: want in the world, but the if I an administration 290 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: has decided okay, fine, let's let this end. Let's let 291 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: the saga end, let's let him walk free, and that's 292 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: exactly what's happened. 293 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 15: Lee. 294 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: He's saying he undermined the security of the United States 295 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: of America, violated the laws of the US. 296 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 13: Listen Prank Center for Rhode Island, Jack Reid, he's a 297 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 13: chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. It's good to 298 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 13: see you, Senator, Thank you for coming in. Julian assand 299 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 13: a free man likely to avoid any prison time in 300 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 13: the United States. It's a far cry from the charges 301 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 13: that have been brought against him. What's your reaction to 302 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 13: this final twist. 303 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 6: Well, my reaction is that he clearly stated he was guilty. 304 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 16: That all of the obstrucation, all of the deviation over many, 305 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 16: many years and hiding in embassies, that's over. He's come 306 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 16: forward and said, yes, I am guilty. I violated the law. 307 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 16: The issue of custod I think is less important than 308 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 16: his unconditional declaration of his guilt. 309 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 13: I mean, because look, this involved one of the largest 310 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 13: leagues of confidential US military information in history. He's celebrated 311 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 13: by some for his work, hated by others as endangering 312 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 13: Americans and those who worked with Americans in these conflicts. 313 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 13: What do you think of the man in his work 314 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 13: after all of this. You know, he defends himself and 315 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 13: says he should be afforded First Amendment free speech privileges 316 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 13: that other journalists should be afforded. Others say he's done, 317 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 13: he's gone way too far and didn't too much damage. 318 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 13: What do you think. 319 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: He violated laws? 320 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 16: And I'd say it's again, I think his unqualified plea 321 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 16: of guilty should settle this matter. 322 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 6: When he faced real trial, there were no. 323 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 16: Adequate defenses that he could find, and he simply admitted, yes, 324 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 16: I'm guilty. 325 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 6: He undermined the security of the United States. 326 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 16: He did it systematically, he did it for his own gratification, 327 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 16: self promotion, etc. 328 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 6: And that the guilty police speaks volumes. 329 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: That's a democratic center. Jack Reid saying that I rarely 330 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: say I agree with Democrats on things of national security 331 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: US who were on the opposite side. I couldn't agree 332 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: more in this one. And what was just said there 333 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: and this was a deal that was done that's going 334 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: to put American lives at risk. I am frustrated by 335 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: this because it's another example of the Democrats like, let's 336 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: just move on, right, It's been long enough let's get 337 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: past this, right, like like let's like let's just let's 338 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: just move on past it, act like it's not really happening. 339 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: And it was something that was so far in the past. 340 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: Who really cares, right, Like, like like who cares? Like, 341 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: this's just was okay, it's it's it's in the past. 342 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: Can can I also remind you, guys the story, and 343 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: this is I think important. At the broadest level, Joinisage 344 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: outed our operations how they worked in Iraq and Afghanistan. 345 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 1: He also named the informants that we were using and 346 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: that had some horrific effects. It exposed them number one 347 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: to being hunted down and murdered famously. When he was 348 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: asked about this, he said that those Afghans were traders 349 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: to their countries, so f them, they deserve it. It 350 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: also signaled to everyone in those countries and beyond that 351 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: we can't keep our secrets, so don't help America. It's 352 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: too big of a risk. It made operations more dangerous 353 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: for our troops and undoubtedly led to more injuries and 354 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: deaths because people stopped working with the United States of America. 355 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: Now you also go to the second part of that, 356 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: all right, and it goes back to this liberal psycho 357 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: freak ecosystem that we operate in. 358 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 6: The man who leaked to. 359 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: Juliana Sage was a man by the name of Bradley 360 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: Manning who was convicted under the espionage jack but he 361 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: became a hero of the left because he became trans 362 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: and then he was at release by Barack Obama. Manning 363 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: is the definition of a trader, and Americans shouldn't be 364 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: on the creepy side of a super creepy asset who 365 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: published the trader's work. These people are not heroes, they 366 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: are villains. Now, I understand why other countries may say, hey, 367 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: we love getting American secrets and seeing how you guys work. 368 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: And that's why in Austray, in other countries they're like, 369 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: oh yeah, like we like this, right, we like seeing 370 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: how America works behind the scenes. It doesn't mean that 371 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: it's the right thing. It doesn't mean that it's good 372 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: for this country. And that is the point that I 373 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: think should be brought up here. There's a very interesting, 374 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: by the way, new poll that goes back to the 375 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: mentality of Americans right now. They're concerned about the economy, 376 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: they're concerned about national security, they're really concerned about inflation, 377 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: and Democrats have had have tried to tell Americans that 378 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump gets re elected, that he is a 379 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: threat to democracy. 380 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 10: Now. 381 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: I could play you a montage of this, but I 382 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: think you guys have heard it enough from the left 383 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: over and over again. They're like, oh, Donald Trump's threat 384 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: to democracy. He will in this country as we know 385 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: it if he gets if he gets elected again, well, 386 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: this country will be unrecognizable. Right, it's a threat to democracy. 387 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: He's a threat to democracy. Everything's a threat to democracy. 388 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: If there's a Republican's a Republican next to a person's name. 389 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: That rhetoric seems to have now backfired in a major way. 390 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: A Washington Post poll, not a conservative publication, This is 391 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: the I would say, communist Washington Post has now come 392 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: out with a shock poll that Donald Trump is stronger 393 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: than Joe Biden on the issue of protecting the democracy. 394 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: This is very interesting. Now David Axerod went on TV 395 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: and is trying to now flip this because he was 396 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: one of those guys like, oh, this is a threat 397 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: to democracy, right, Donald Trump's a threat to democracy. Now 398 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: he's basically saying that if you're worried about a democracy. 399 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: You're a rich white person, and that's a conversation that 400 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: you have at the dinner table as a rich white 401 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: person trying to flip the narrative. 402 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 17: Listen, Look, I've said before, I mean, I'm Jake, you 403 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 17: know this. I'm the son of a Jewish refugee from 404 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 17: Eastern Europe and I still love this democracy and I 405 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 17: think this is a central But I've also said, if 406 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 17: you are talking about democracy over the dinner table, it's 407 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 17: probably because you don't have to worry about the cost 408 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 17: of the food on your dinner table. 409 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 6: Wow. 410 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: So that's a pretty big change, right, If you're talking 411 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: about democracy over the dinner table, it's probably because you 412 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about the cost of food on 413 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: your dinner table. So, in other words, he's saying democracy 414 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: is for rich people. Now, that is very different from 415 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: what the left has been saying about this issue, like 416 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: extremely different. Let me just remind you of Hillary Clinton 417 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: when she was doing an interview recently. 418 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 18: Alito struck me almost immediately upon sitting down to talk 419 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 18: with him as a radical, as a fanatic about his 420 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 18: views of culture and the role of religion in our 421 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 18: society and his religion not maybe yours or mind marks, 422 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 18: but his religion. And I found him scary and I 423 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 18: said so on the floor of the Senate when I 424 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 18: voted against him. 425 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: So now we're going back to we're going to undermine 426 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: people that actually stand up for democracy, right, And you 427 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: notice the switch here. Michael Cohen, by the way, on MSNBC, 428 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: this is the guy that stole from Donald Trump. This 429 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: is a guy that's a convicted felon. This is a 430 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: guy that lied in court and has been to jail. 431 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: But he's the favorite love child of the of the left. 432 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: They're obsessed, They are absolutely obsessed with with Michael Cohen 433 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: because he hates Trump. He has Trump derangement syndrome. And 434 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: he goes on MSNBC and says this about the judge 435 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: partially lifting Trump's hush money gag order, which is a 436 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: victory for Donald Trump. 437 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 19: An update out of the New York hush money election 438 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 19: interference case. Today, Judge Wanbershawn partially lifting that gag order 439 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 19: placed upon Donald Trump, the disgrace. Now k only convicted 440 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 19: ex president is able to comment on the witnesses who 441 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 19: testified against him in that case. Witnesses like his former 442 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 19: attorney Michael Cohen and the woman Cohen paid the hush 443 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 19: money to Stormy Daniels. Judge Marschawn did not lift the 444 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 19: part of the order barring Trump from going after court staff, 445 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 19: individual prosecutors, and family members of any council staff member, 446 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 19: the court, or the district Attorney. That part stays in 447 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 19: place until Trump's sentencing on July eleventh. Michael Cohen's response 448 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 19: to this quote. For the past six years, Donald and 449 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 19: his accolytes have been making constant negative statements about me. 450 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 19: Donald's failed strategy of discrediting me so that he can 451 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 19: avoid accountability did not work then and won't work now. 452 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 6: Joining us. 453 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 19: Former Trump fixer and attorney Michael Cohen host of the 454 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 19: Maya Kulpa and Political Beatdown podcast. He is the author 455 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 19: of the Book's Revenge, How Donald Trump weaponized the US 456 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 19: Department of Justice against his critics and disloyal memoir Now 457 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 19: classic both of them. Michael Cohen, how are you doing 458 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 19: and how are you feeling about this gaggarder being lifted 459 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 19: by the way? 460 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 15: I love this so like? 461 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Oh, both classics. Now, Oh, let's just give you this 462 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: amazing that knows they don't mention you're a convicted fellon 463 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 1: that you stole money from Donald Trump and you had 464 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: admit that under Oh don't forget you. No, no, no, 465 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: you're a fixer. Like fixer is like the gangster word 466 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: of the left. Now, like, oh, man, that guy is 467 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: a fixer. Yeah, he's a fixer. That's how MSNBC introduces 468 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: the guy. Keep listening. 469 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 15: I'm hanging in there, and Nicole, you know, like I 470 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 15: said before, for six years, he and his acolytes have 471 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 15: been doing this. Let's not forget the number of members 472 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 15: of Congress and other acolyte friends of Trumps that showed 473 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 15: up to the courthouse when I was testifying, and the 474 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 15: first chance that they had to go to run out 475 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 15: to do Donald's bidding. They're right there in front of 476 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 15: the camera, including people like the number two guy in 477 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 15: our government, Maga Mike Johnson, out there carrying Donald's water 478 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 15: for him. So, look, is it stressful? Sure? Do I 479 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 15: feel bad for myself and other witnesses that Donald intends 480 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 15: to go after who knows, maybe he'll even do it 481 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 15: at the upcoming debate. Yes, I feel bad for them. 482 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 15: I feel bad for myself. But it's what can he 483 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 15: say that he has not said already a thousand times. 484 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 15: I mean, that's what Donald does. He repeats himself over 485 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 15: and over and over. So what's he gonna say. Michael 486 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 15: Cohen's a liar, Michael Cohen is a gloat. Michael Cohen 487 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 15: didn't tell the truth. He's my lawyer. He did it 488 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 15: all on his own. We all know the truth already. 489 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 15: It's six years of me telling the same story and 490 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 15: Donald can't keep track of what story. You know, he's 491 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 15: saying next. 492 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: This is a guy that's been convicted of lying and 493 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: had him met under oath. Recently, he actually stole from 494 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, pocketed cash, tens of thousands of dollars, and 495 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: MSNBC puts him up there, and now he says that 496 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: Trump is dangerous to democracy, He's dangerous to just the world. 497 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: So their's his one liner. So Democrats now seem to 498 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: be very divided over this, right do we bring up 499 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: like democracy or do we kind of just shut it down? 500 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: That there's even a conversation of how do we save democracy? 501 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: On pod Save America. It's a hardcore liberal podcast. Here's 502 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: what they were saying recently. 503 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 20: Why is there such a disconnect? Why do people think 504 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 20: I mean, gosh by the way. 505 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: This is Katie Kirk you're listening to in this voice. 506 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 6: Keep listening. 507 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 20: This is what's left a lot of people scratching their 508 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 20: heads ever since twenty sixteen. Why do people think that 509 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 20: Donald Trump is going to make their lives better? It 510 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 20: is confounding to me. 511 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 21: Yeah, what I've come to think is for a lot 512 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 21: of voters, they don't think that either party or any 513 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 21: politician is going to necessarily make their lives better. And 514 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 21: so what they see in Donald Trump is someone who 515 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 21: is just going to smash the system. And that makes 516 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 21: them feel good, right, because it like, well, at least 517 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 21: he's gonna at least he's my guy. He's going to 518 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 21: like fight for me where he can, and I don't 519 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 21: necessarily expect him to help me. But you know, he's also, 520 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 21: as Tommy was saying, he's very good at blaming others. 521 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 16: Right. 522 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 21: And so if Donald Trump tells you, well, you know, 523 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 21: you would you'd be making more and you we'd have 524 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 21: more jobs. If we just got rid of all these 525 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 21: undocumented immigrants, then your life would be better. If we 526 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 21: just cleaned up the crime and we got tough and 527 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 21: let the police get tough on crime in these cities, 528 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 21: your life would be better. And you know, unlike even 529 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 21: Mitt Romney or the Republicans of yesteryear, Donald Trump doesn't 530 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 21: talk a lot about giving huge tax cuts to corporations, 531 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 21: giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy, at least not publicly, 532 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 21: not publicly, right, No, that's all in their agenda fundraisers. Yeah, 533 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 21: but they have. You know, Trump has taught most of 534 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 21: the Republican Party to sort of hide the economic agenda 535 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 21: that is not very popular with most people in this country, 536 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 21: and to really lean on sort of the cultural resentment. 537 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 21: The racial resentment is enophobia that does unfortunately work with 538 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 21: a lot of you know, working class and middle class 539 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 21: people of all races. 540 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, they hate you. You 541 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: hear that how to save democracy? 542 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 13: Right? 543 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Is the conversation they're having, Like, well, how is he 544 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: getting away with this? Well, he really hates you, you know, 545 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: he really just stands up for the big corporations. Okay, 546 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: show me the evidence that that's what he did during 547 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: the four years when he was actually the president. Well, 548 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: if you tell people to hate immigrants and their life 549 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: will be better off, they'll believe you. When did he 550 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: say that? He's saying you can come into this country legally. 551 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: But he's also said that you don't get rewarded for 552 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: breaking American laws. So he's a law and order guy. 553 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: And where they say, oh, well, that's that's, you know, 554 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: xenophobic and this is but he's taught them to be 555 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: quiet on that right, not talk about that. That's that's 556 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: where you're just going to have to be quiet. So 557 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: I go back to this poll. This poll that has 558 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: just come out is the poll that Democrats are now 559 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: going to freak out over internally going into this debate, 560 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: because what it's saying is former President Donald Trump is 561 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: the strongest candidate to protect democracy. After the last year, 562 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: Democrats have been saying that Donald Trump is a threat 563 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: to democracy. Polling of six swing states that President Joe 564 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: Biden won in twenty twenty now show that voters believe 565 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: Trump is a greater defender of democracy than Joe Biden, 566 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: outpacing the current president by a staggering double digit lead 567 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: of eleven points. Here's the question, which candid do you 568 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: think will do a better job of handling each of 569 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: the following threats to democracy in the US? The Posts 570 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: says in their question Trump forty four percent, Biden thirty 571 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: three percent, neither sixteen percent, both seven percent. This was 572 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: a big poll, by the way, It was a poll 573 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: of more than three thousand and five hundred registered voters 574 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So this 575 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: is a poll now that Democrats like, holy crap, we 576 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: screwed it up with Bidenomics. That's been a disaster with voters. 577 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: They don't believe that it's working. They believe it's hurting them. 578 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: And then we try to say, well, Donald Trump's a 579 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: threat to democracy, and the voters actually smart enough to 580 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: say no, no, no, we actually think that Donald Trump is 581 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: better for democracy than the current president of the United 582 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: States of America is. Make sure you share this with 583 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: your family and friends on social media wherever you are 584 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: in social media. Right it's a five star review and 585 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: I will see you back here tomorrow.