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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What up? Boys? Greg getting physical Dan right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate Sunday. Not a battle you want to take on.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just want to make sure that everyone's

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Speaker 1: ready to battle tonight and fight. Greg shoving Dan basically

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Speaker 1: right out of the game. Yeah, listen, there, fired up.

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Speaker 1: It's a big week. It's a big week. It is

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Speaker 1: an exciting week, and and let's face it, we're almost

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving. What's you hit Thanksgiving? It is on? It

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Speaker 1: is on. I'm not gonna say on like Donkey Kong,

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Speaker 1: because I'm not a horrible person, but I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: it is on. Once you hit that, and this is

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Speaker 1: the last week before you hit that home stretch. But

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Speaker 1: it sets everything up for that home stretch. And we

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Speaker 1: had a lot of developments come in on on the

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Speaker 1: old Sunday of Week eleven. Your thoughts, Mark, Well, glorious Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Everything fell the way I would have hoped. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about that J. J. Watt intro? Right there? What was

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Speaker 1: wrong with that? I saw both of the forty somethings

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Speaker 1: nodding their heads. Why I gave a thumbs down for

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Speaker 1: the J. J. Watt intro? It's not one of our

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Speaker 1: most creative bits to do your thoughts well, beautifully voiced

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Speaker 1: by Matt money Smith, who that's not the issue. It's

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Speaker 1: just money Smith is a many talented man. Is this

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Speaker 1: more like West going off against rap? Again? Is what

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Speaker 1: this is? No? I like hip hop? I like rap? Well,

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Speaker 1: why would you say that? You do? You like it

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Speaker 1: but only if it was made before? Do tend to

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Speaker 1: go I tend to scu old school in all of

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Speaker 1: my music choices, but I don't hate rap at all. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: now that that's out of the way, we can get into.

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Speaker 1: But I would say that repetition is the death of art.

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Speaker 1: Repetition is also the father of learning. Little Wayne, It's

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Speaker 1: a quote brevity is the soul of wit, please for John. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so we have a lot of games to

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Speaker 1: get to, and I guess we will start with a game,

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Speaker 1: you know, the two Super Bowl teams. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: the two Super Bowl teams because they they are a

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Speaker 1: little tough to figure out after a strange Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: why don't we do that? Uh? And we start with

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Speaker 1: the St. Louis Rams, who replaced their quarterback Austin Davis,

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Speaker 1: success against the Denver Broncos. The defense tightens up really

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Speaker 1: makes life tough for Peyton Manning. A seven Rams win

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Speaker 1: over the a f C West leading Broncos and one

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Speaker 1: if I would say the biggest upsets of the season West,

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Speaker 1: you're watching this game closely. Uh, this is a day

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Speaker 1: the Bronchos would like to forget very quickly for a

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. Correct. Yeah, they would like to forget.

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Speaker 1: What Greg Rosenthal told us last week that the Rams

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Speaker 1: have one of the best defenses in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: they were in Peyton Manning's grill. They punished the Broncos

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. They deflect at nine passes. They were all

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Speaker 1: over the field today and seven points. That's the fewest

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Speaker 1: points Peyton Manning has scored in a game he's finished

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Speaker 1: since the two thousand and four playoffs, in which he

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Speaker 1: lost to the Patriots twenty three. That's unbelievable seven points

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Speaker 1: in the Dome. I mean, I know it's you know St.

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Speaker 1: against Denver. It's a good question. I don't know, just

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Speaker 1: it looked like they were playing with more than eleven defenders.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like Denver they can't run the ball

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Speaker 1: very well right now? Is that accurate? Yeah? The Broncos

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Speaker 1: passed on twenty five of the first thirty plays. Ronnie

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Speaker 1: Hillman's out two to three weeks. Monte Ball came back

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Speaker 1: this week and aggravated his groin injury twice. He was

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect to see him next next week either.

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Speaker 1: And then the injuries too. Julius Thomas left early in

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Speaker 1: the most brutal hits I've ever seen. Do they throw

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I think Peyton Manning's arm strength comes back

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Speaker 1: to haunt him against good defenses. We saw it in

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Speaker 1: he had a good game today. Sodian McDonald, I know

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Speaker 1: is a huge loss for Denver just because you didn't

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Speaker 1: with that. By the way, it wasn't so much St.

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Speaker 1: Louis sending the message. It was West sending a message

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Speaker 1: to his boss. There fair marks. I think that West

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Speaker 1: I believe that it's Gregg who's been the support of

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Speaker 1: be factually an act I like to introduce chaos into

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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. Alright, So the Broncos go down.

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Speaker 1: How about their opponent in Super Bowl? For the Seattle

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Speaker 1: Seahawks also ran into trouble on the road. Jamal Charles

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we're just talking about the Broncos

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Speaker 1: times give respect, right, I you know, I know, Greg

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Speaker 1: Here I see Alex Smith with a hundred and eight

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Speaker 1: they do it with these long drives. And they do

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Speaker 1: it because Jamal Charles is the best player on the

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Speaker 1: out they both had three quarterback hits. Yeah, they were good.

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Speaker 1: You know, Russell Wilson kept this game alive. It's I'm

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Speaker 1: offense other than Russell Wilson improvising, and he was great

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Speaker 1: at it today. It was d of like that Washington game.

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Speaker 1: It felt like they shouldn't even been in it if

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Speaker 1: not for a bunch of miracle plays that Wilson pulled off.

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Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch ran the ball very well. There wasn't one

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Speaker 1: big takeaway that you could say, Okay, the Chiefs did

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Speaker 1: it. It It was a complete team effort. But Charles was

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Speaker 1: an amazing career. It's it's now. It's not just a

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Speaker 1: If he stays healthy for three more years, is he

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer? I think he's right there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: of Fame. And let's talk about Seattle because, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point. I think back to week

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Speaker 1: that big a deal. Yeah. I remember when San Diego

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Speaker 1: What happened to that dominant team that we remember. I

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Speaker 1: it's it's a couple of things. One, the injuries I

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Speaker 1: in a row where the passing game Greg used the

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Speaker 1: the air, right, and their defense is good, but it's

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Speaker 1: no longer great, it's no longer one of the best

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Speaker 1: But they got a lot of people back today. They

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Speaker 1: yet early in the game, the Chiefs first two drives

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Speaker 1: did what they wanted early. Are we surprised though, that

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Speaker 1: nothing this team hangs its hat on anymore. Well, they're

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Speaker 1: a terrible road team and they're gonna have to go

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Speaker 1: it was excellent. Well, they did find no beam and

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Speaker 1: he was he was unbelievable. Again, you get a cookie.

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Speaker 1: You get a cookie from the Shadowy League figure. All right, Connor,

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Speaker 1: Well you can go back to shopping for engagement rings online.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for everything that you do.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, thank you. All right. You know it's just

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Speaker 1: two kids breaking some personal business right here on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Two kids in a big old house. You gotta fill

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Speaker 1: that house up with kids before you do that. You

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Speaker 1: gotta get that ring Sunday of plotting out the rest

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Speaker 1: of his life. That's how it works. Um. The only

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Speaker 1: man I know they cannot be tied down to my left,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, he won't be tied down. It's a man

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Speaker 1: on an adventure course in life. I've been disengaged. Alright, boys,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the hottest team in the NFL. They

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Speaker 1: are the green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers through for three

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Speaker 1: forty one yards and three touchdowns and Julius Peppers had

446
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Speaker 1: a second pick six of the season in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: just destroyed the Philadelphia Els in a fifty three twenty

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Speaker 1: win on Sunday. That's two straight fifty burgers for the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesling, who looks simply unbeatable at lambeau Field, is

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Speaker 1: the message. Is the mission for the rest of the

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Speaker 1: NFC to stop the Packers from getting the number one seed. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's the mission. First time in ninety three years of

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Speaker 1: their franchise, back to back fifty burgers. And this has

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Speaker 1: been like this for since the beginning of the season

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Speaker 1: in green Bay. Since that Jets game in Week two,

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Speaker 1: they've only allowed and they didn't allow a touchdown with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on the field from that week to game

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Speaker 1: until this game. And it was already a laugher when

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Speaker 1: when the Eagles scored in this game, they got out

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Speaker 1: to a thirty to three lead, which is part for

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Speaker 1: the course for them at green Bay. They've jumped out

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Speaker 1: forty two to nothing, forty five to nothing, and I

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Speaker 1: believe thirty eight to three, and their other home games.

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Speaker 1: It's you can't go into green Bay and keep it close.

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Speaker 1: And we give plenty of credit to the gentleman. And

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Speaker 1: I'm about about to bring up so let's now uh

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Speaker 1: put him under the spotlight. When things don't work out

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Speaker 1: so well. He is the great, the unquestioned genius of

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Speaker 1: professional football, Chip Kelly, who got taught a lesson in

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Speaker 1: offense by the Green Bay Packers and Mike McCarthy. Let's

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Speaker 1: be fair, they all the points they scored the game.

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Speaker 1: It was garbage time. There was only one expert offense

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Speaker 1: in town in Wisconsin, and it was not the Great

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's office. Do you know the lesson he was

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Speaker 1: taught by Mike McCarthy. What if you have Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna beat Mark Sanchez. Well, how about this We've

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Speaker 1: been saying all season especially I don't know whose theory

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Speaker 1: it is one of the football heads they that is

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Speaker 1: that we are dealing with a quarterback proof offense and Philly.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put all this on Sanchez, but he

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Speaker 1: certainly stepped back his level play from Monday night. So

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Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have a quarterback that can match

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, it's not gonna work out. Well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna put that much of it on Sanchez to start.

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Speaker 1: When the defense and special teams gives up twenty four

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Speaker 1: points in the first twenty minutes, I mean they were

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Speaker 1: blitzed and Sanchez, You're right, isn't gonna do well if

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Speaker 1: he's put in a spot where he's trailing. And then

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Speaker 1: after that it got very open. It seems like right

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Speaker 1: now with the way that Green Bay is operating at

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Speaker 1: the level that they're playing, that fill in the blank

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Speaker 1: team goes into Green Bay and deals with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: It's just a buzz saw. This was seventeen nothing after

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and then it was what thirty three to

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Speaker 1: six at one point. Whatever you game plan, whatever you

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Speaker 1: thought you could do with Mark Sanchez goes totally out

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Speaker 1: the window. Well, they turned it over four times too. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Packers didn't turn it over at all. I mean

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Speaker 1: on our we we did a video for NFL now

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Speaker 1: our top take of the ways of the week. Westling

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Speaker 1: thinks the road to the Super Bowl is going through

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Speaker 1: Lambeau and if it is, people are in trouble. Well,

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Speaker 1: look at their schedule there. Tied with the Lions. Now

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Speaker 1: they're unbeatable at home in the three road games are Minnesota, Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay and then they have the Lions at

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Speaker 1: Lambeau for the season finale, so they have the edge

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Speaker 1: in the NFC North, and to me, they're probably the best.

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals don't lose a couple of more games,

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Speaker 1: that will be I guess they're they're big, could be

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Speaker 1: the waterloo having to go to Arizona. But to me,

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Speaker 1: the Packers look like the best team. If you're Detroit,

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Speaker 1: it feels like you're just hanging on to what was

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Speaker 1: the sweet spot of your season that's now fading away

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Speaker 1: as green Bay is gonna overtake you and win that division.

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Speaker 1: Detroit is not a complete team. We've already talked about

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Speaker 1: a green Bay may not have the greatest defense on

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Speaker 1: the planet, but they don't need to be when they're

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Speaker 1: unraveling forty points a game. Their defense is very much improved,

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Speaker 1: and I think they play a lot better at home.

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Speaker 1: And they they have a lot of players. Now we

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Speaker 1: saw it with Peppers today. Clay Matthews is playing better

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Speaker 1: now you know, Sam Shields was back in the lineup,

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Speaker 1: Mike Hides making plays, Mike Daniels, they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys that can make one on one plays. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like Dom Capers. You can't screw this up. Julie's

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Speaker 1: Pepper has been one of the best free agent pickups.

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Speaker 1: He's been great this year and uh on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the ball, Jordan Nelson needs to be a

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Speaker 1: first team All Pro. What fictions will Casey Matthews come

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Speaker 1: up with this week about screen Bays defense and his

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Speaker 1: brother's rolling in. That's a good question. This was the

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Speaker 1: most Matthews I've ever seen in one game, both Casey

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Speaker 1: and Clay the brothers plus Jordan Matthews, the Eagles receiver,

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Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb best one two combo in football

535
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Speaker 1: right now? Manuel Sanders Damarius Thomas would be the competition

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Speaker 1: and who else? Megan John Golant I would put Nelson

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Speaker 1: and Cob up there with Greg and I have noticed

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Speaker 1: his Cob plays wide receiver like a punt returner. He

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Speaker 1: he always gets extra yards after the catch. And Nelson,

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Speaker 1: to me, has been the best receiver in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: His stats aren't as good as Antonio Brown's because the

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Speaker 1: Packers are always up by thirty. Did nothing at halftime. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So we just talked about a team that moved into

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Speaker 1: a tie for first place, and then we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: a team that fell out of first place, the Cleveland Browns.

546
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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, J. J. Watt caught a two yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: pass from Ryan Mallett. I was Malt's first touchdown throw

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Speaker 1: of his career, and Houston got a dominating effort from

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Speaker 1: their d fence in a seven win over the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns in Cleveland, Cleveland on Sunday. The Texans are now

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Speaker 1: back to five hundred. The Browns uh drop a game

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Speaker 1: after that great Thursday night went over the Bengals mark

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Speaker 1: very highly unproductive effort from Hoyer in Cleveland's offense. Should

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Speaker 1: Browns fans be worried? I think I think so because

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Speaker 1: this is the kind of game that, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you don't have a history of success like this Browns

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Speaker 1: team that dates back beyond a couple of months tops,

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Speaker 1: then when you lose a game like this, it will

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Speaker 1: bring all the doubters back out. And for good reason.

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Speaker 1: It's not unfounded. I mean, they look completely You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of times when we all sit and watch

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Speaker 1: these games, and I have, as a longtime Browns fan,

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Speaker 1: I have a pessimism towards the team. And when I say,

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Speaker 1: sometimes five ten minutes and this thing is over, I

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Speaker 1: can feel it it's not gonna happen today. Well, that

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Speaker 1: comes from years of seeing that actually unfolding games, and

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Speaker 1: that is how I felt right away. Just something was off.

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Speaker 1: Their passing game was completely, you know, unproductive from the start.

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Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer played his worst him of the season. Here's

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Speaker 1: a weird stat or a bad stat on Hoyer. He

571
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Speaker 1: became just the fourth NFL quarterback since to attempt at

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Speaker 1: least fifty passes with a completion percentage of or lower.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they really missed any sort of a playmaker today,

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Speaker 1: and after what we saw in Cincinnati. When they can

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Speaker 1: run the ball and they can eat up the clock

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Speaker 1: that way and he gets into a groove, then that's

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Speaker 1: fine for him. But when he leaned on him today

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Speaker 1: and they couldn't do anything on the ground for much

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Speaker 1: of the day either, it exposed him. He had as

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Speaker 1: many incompletions as Ryan Malletts had attempt. Yeah, and Mallett,

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Speaker 1: and Mallett looked you know, Mallett looked good, I thought.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't look outstanding. He he was a little

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Speaker 1: big arm and that opened up their offense a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And here's the one thing about Mallett, he just looked

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Speaker 1: much more comfortable. He knows Bill O'Brien for years. He

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Speaker 1: looked they ran the no huddle a bunch completely more

588
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Speaker 1: comfortable than Ryan Fitzpatrick. They played with pace, and they

589
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: tired out Cleveland's defense because it didn't matter that Arian

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Speaker 1: Foster was in there. Incomes Blue running for a hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty six yards. I and they killed Cleveland. They

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Speaker 1: killed Cleveland. There's no Phil Taylor. They had a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys get hurt during the game. They were running

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Speaker 1: against nobody on Cleveland's defense and just shredding them. I'm

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna say it's a bad sign when Alfred Bleu and

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Grimes run the ball forty nine times against you

597
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Speaker 1: was easy, td and uncreative. Let's give us the J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt report. He was all over the highlights today. He

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Speaker 1: was it was it was a mixed bag early because

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Speaker 1: a you got the touchdown, which everyone's gonna watch that

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Speaker 1: highlight a thousand times. He caused Cleveland to get into

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Speaker 1: a couple of holds and and you know offsides. He

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Speaker 1: obviously they were preoccupied within the entire time, but he

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Speaker 1: hit punter Spencer landing on on back to back the

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Speaker 1: second he led to Cleveland's only touchdown. I mean he

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Speaker 1: had two big penalties, but he also was playing with

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Speaker 1: his hair on fire, recovered a fumble, caused a fumble

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Speaker 1: on Hoyer. I mean he was all over the place

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Speaker 1: literally liter early on fire or metaphorically, Chris uh Mark

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Speaker 1: you there is um an anger inside you as you

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Speaker 1: speak right now. Also, we saw it again downstairs. You

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Speaker 1: seemed very fired up. I don't think I overreacted to it.

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Speaker 1: But the only hope for them, I mean tomorrow, Let's

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Speaker 1: look at the schedule. How about this storm. Let's look

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Speaker 1: at the schedule there. What are they now? Marks six

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Speaker 1: and four, six and four? Okay, alright? At Falcons, how

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Speaker 1: about this West You're you're not You're you're not partial enough.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna give him a loss, everyone completely, you

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Speaker 1: go through it the schedule already, win or lost at Falcons,

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Speaker 1: win seven, seven and four at Bill's seven and five,

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Speaker 1: home to Colts, lost seven and six home to Bengals,

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Speaker 1: loss seven and seven at Panthers, eight and seven, at

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Speaker 1: Ravens loss. I can't get behind that. I can get

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Speaker 1: behind that feels right? Seven? Maybe you know? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: and I don't. I wouldn't have an argued that, but

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Speaker 1: to r o In rides Josh Gordon on a pony

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Speaker 1: with a saddle, hempstrewn saddle. We'll see what happens, all right.

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Speaker 1: I like that, And I'm annoyed because we can't knock

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Speaker 1: the Texans out of the playoff picture yet there's twelve

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Speaker 1: teams hanging around the a f C playoff picture and

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Speaker 1: now they're one of them. Well, and also because I

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Speaker 1: think there are a different offense with Mallett. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they'll get coaches will get tape on them, no question,

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Speaker 1: but they are not as dull as they happen. Maybe

635
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Speaker 1: they should have made this change a while less in

636
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Speaker 1: a tough spot because you've been down on the Texans

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Speaker 1: all season, mostly Fitzpatrick related, but also you've got the

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Speaker 1: Browns going down you. You don't like the Browns. We

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00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: all know that. Where are you at right now? Emotionally yourself?

640
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean not a cloud as somebody fans don't realize this,

641
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: but my basic bias is part of a big part

642
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: of our job is watching game rewind and that's what

643
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I do in my off time. So I like teams

644
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: that are interesting. The Texans are eminently more watchable with

645
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Mollot than they were with Ryan they were today

646
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: right fair enough. So the Browns are out of first place,

647
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: and guess who is in first place. Andrew Dalton I'm middltum,

648
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: bounced back from his Thursday night football horror show by

649
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: throwing three touchdown passes and the Cincinnati Bengals dropped the

650
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints to their second straight home loss final

651
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: not even close. On Sunday, Chris Wessling can that Dalts

652
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: some credit recovers from his personal but fun and fumble moment.

653
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: It delivers one of the best games of his career.

654
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: That's hard on that orange head absolutely deserves credit. He

655
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: went from the worst passer rating of his career too,

656
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: that was his passer rating two two point zero, oh too,

657
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: and then he today he had the best passer rating

658
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: of his career one point nine. Researcher Bill Smith confirmed

659
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: for me that that's the biggest weekly vacillation in the

660
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: history of benefits. Well since the kid, you know, it's

661
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: an adult program, that's the biggest swing. He stuck it up.

662
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Everyone that said that Dalton was going to be done

663
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: after this game. He bounced back with a big performance

664
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Speaker 1: and you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not all

665
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: the way back in on Dalton. I was heard a

666
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: lot by that Browns game, but I am not stunned

667
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: had such a stake in Andy Dalton's. It's built. That's

668
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: exactly what he is. This is why he's in the middle.

669
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: We don't say he's the worst quarterback in the league.

670
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: He bounces back from this these bad games, and there's

671
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: no reason to think he'll keep this good because you

672
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: know he's gonna circle right back down in the darkness,

673
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: perhaps until that magical January run in two thousand nineteen

674
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: that takes us to uh, well, no, this year, we're

675
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna get another Saturday playoff game. Everyone that's so excited

676
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: that Cleveland fell out of first place in ANFC North,

677
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna get gift wrapped for you

678
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of January, Cincinnati on a Saturday, Ravens

679
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: and the Steelers in the playte Bengals Saturday playoff game

680
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: has replaced Christmas is my favorite holiday. I thought you

681
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: like watching good football, West, come on and I but

682
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Let's talk at the Saints, a

683
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: team that we've given the benefit of the doubt all season,

684
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: including one of our recent podcasts on Wednesday, when we

685
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: forked the entire NFC South and said, we believe in

686
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: the Saints, we think they're gonna be okay this season,

687
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: and then they let us down hard, and you know,

688
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: it makes me think of that Sean Payton post three

689
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: at Hanging when he suspended. Do your job, Saints, do

690
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: your job. Win this horrible division. You're tied with the

691
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Falcons in first place. They stink? Are they the most

692
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: disappointing at least NFC team of the entire year? They

693
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: have to the NFL team by far. I don't think

694
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: there's anyone even remote. I mean, you guys, you mocked

695
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: me at one point for not having in the top

696
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: five of like the preseason power rank. I mean, they

697
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: we thought we were there, they were the best one

698
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: of a thousand things we were wrong about. But it

699
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: still stands out. They've been playing in a stupor all

700
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: season and today it was perfectly encapsulated by the way

701
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: right before the end of the first half, a complete

702
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: defensive breakdown, Jeremy He'll breaks off a sixty two yard

703
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: run to give the Bengals a free field goal with

704
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: one second left on the clock. Wow. They mean when

705
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: they came back from that Thursday night game, everyone was

706
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: excited because, okay, we got three straight home games, this

707
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: thing's over. And then they lose the first two home games.

708
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: The next one is against Baltimore and then they have

709
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: to go to Pittsburgh. I mean, this is they gotta

710
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: get this turned around. That that's a great Monday night

711
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: game next week Raven Saints, just because it means so

712
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: much the same and just a bad year for the

713
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Saints all and their fan base. That jerk in the

714
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: first front row after the Jeremy Gresham touchdown goes to

715
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: toss it to a nice blondhaired woman wearing an A

716
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: J Green jersey, and the guy snags the football away

717
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: from her and then refuses to give it back. That's

718
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: another snapshot into this season. Not only refuses to give

719
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: it back, the girl is pleading with him, like almost

720
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: on her knees, begging, and he won't even acknowledge her presence.

721
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: It's a bad job back to back weeks by Saints

722
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: fans in the front of the crowd, because there was

723
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: the guy the joker last week roper where he grabs

724
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: a big hunk of Jimmy Graham's ass. What's going on over?

725
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if the people in New Orleans would this

726
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: be on toward or uncustomary for them to have a

727
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: drink or two before the games get underway for the

728
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: unleash this awful behavior. I think what that gentleman today

729
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: did was pretty typical of your average Marty Girl crowd.

730
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Just stealing, just stealing. Yeah, no, law, there's no little

731
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: behavior next tour for the rest of the games. The

732
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: weird part when Greg starts talking about his two Lane days,

733
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: can we just have Springsteen's Glory Days play in the

734
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: background in the future. Greg's Glory Days are from his

735
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: middle school goth band when he was the lead Singer's

736
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: what was the name of that band? Again? Delaware was

737
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: not if there's anyone out there that was savvy in

738
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the ways of computer history searching, uh, the internet, if

739
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you could find a band pre internet. Basically it's out

740
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: there as a YouTube. There's got to be some type

741
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: of video. And you said, there's a guy in your

742
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: band who's mom and dad recorded everything. Yes, so it's

743
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: there is footage somewhere. Delaware. The group was formed in

744
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: western Massachusetts, sometime in the mid to late nine heavy heavy,

745
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: got heavy gothleaning the mid to late ninety probably played

746
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: a couple of talent shows or things of that nature.

747
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: So if you can track that down, we will give

748
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: you all the toasters Culver City. Alright. So yeah, So

749
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: the Saints uh lose again and that left the door

750
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: wide open for the Atlanta Falcons. We take care of

751
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: business against the Carolina Panthers. Matt Ryan threw for two

752
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: yards on a touchdown, Matt Brian a perfect four for

753
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: four on field goals. After blowing a lead, the Falcons

754
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: get it back and then get some help on a

755
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: couple of miss field goals by Graham Gono, including a

756
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: block as time expired, and it all adds up to

757
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventeen win for the Falcons, who are now

758
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: UH four four and six team, but in the NFC South,

759
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: the lumpy NFC South, as I wrote in my recap,

760
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: that is good enough for a tie for first place.

761
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: So the Falcons are tied for first place. The team

762
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: that has been bad all season. We remember what happened

763
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: in London, one of the great meltdowns for a team,

764
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: and yet they're right in the mix to play in January,

765
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: and you can't even make the case that they're playing

766
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: well because all they really did was win an ugly

767
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: game in Tampa Bay and beat a decrepit Carolina team. Yeah,

768
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: basically this was a sixteen three game. In the fourth quarter,

769
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: Cam Newton getting booed out of the building, the whole

770
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: offense just playing terribly in Charlotte come to life, two

771
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: quick strikes, two touchdowns to take a one point lead,

772
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: and then to to the Falcons. Credit into Matt Ryan's credit,

773
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: who who doesn't doesn't feel like he's had enough big

774
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: moments in recent seasons. He um led them down the field,

775
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: got the field goal, and they were able to hold on.

776
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: They got help from Grant Gnomes the forty four yard

777
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: or the next possession. But I mean a win is

778
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: a win. They took care of business and now they're

779
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: right in the middle of this race. In Matt Ryan's defense,

780
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I believe he's had more come from behind victories than

781
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: any quarterback in the league since he entered the NFL.

782
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: If they do wind up winning this hideously ugly NFC

783
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: South Division, they will be the second team in NFL

784
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: history to survive a five game losing streaks and still

785
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs eight s your eighty six Jets

786
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: stand or the other Tenant one to Tenant six. Yeah,

787
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: and call me crazy, and I'm not. I can't be

788
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: loyal to the Saints on any level because they continue

789
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: to let us down. But I'm still not crazy nervous

790
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: about our fork decision because for some reason, I think

791
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: the Saints are still gonna win the division. But I'm not.

792
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm not as confident anymore by any stretch. It's it's

793
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: a shame the Bengals aren't in the NFC because the

794
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: Falcons are one team they could beat on that first

795
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: Saturday in January. It took me ahow to understand all

796
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: of that. But I like where you're going day. Anything

797
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: else about that game you want to talk about, call

798
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: for real alignment from West. I mean, the Panthers are

799
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams in the NFL. They went

800
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: from a I mean that's not even a controversial statement.

801
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: It's just that they won their first I said that

802
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: last week, and then you called me out for looking

803
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: out to that season. You're a vision your time, you

804
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: and the gold Star to That's what you are, all right,

805
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: So let's let's stop talking about that bad team. Will

806
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: move on to the San Diego Chargers. Philip Rivers through

807
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: twenty two yard touchdown past the Malcolm Floyd on the

808
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: game's third play from scrimmage, and then Chargers they kind

809
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: of just held on from there. Wasn't a good a

810
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: good effort by any stretch. They beat the worst team

811
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL, the Oakland Raiders thirteen six on Sunday. Um, Mark,

812
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: you drew the short straw. Actually, no, you You You actually

813
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: called Greg shortly after sunrise to say that you wanted

814
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: to take this game. Well I did not, I texted him,

815
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: but you're exactly Please let me watch this oh and

816
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: nine team try to get on the board against the

817
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: team of a t and they could not do it. Well.

818
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to basically Mark Sessler in a nutshell though

819
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: waking up really early thinking about his job, texting me

820
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: at six thirty in the morning, and then for some

821
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: weird reason falling on the grenade that he wants to

822
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: watch the Raiders. This is you in the nutshell. Let's

823
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: not forget something. We were foolhardy enough to nominate as

824
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: a group the Chargers as team of a T L

825
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: try to change the subject. No, but that's I wanted

826
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: to behavior by you this morning. It was unusual. You know,

827
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: my house was a glow early. It's not unusual for you, though.

828
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot of texts, but somehow are in

829
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: line with this. Well, I apologize for thinking about my

830
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: job outside of the hours that I'm in my seat. Anyways, listen,

831
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers do not deserve right now to be the

832
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: team of anything. They are a team that went out

833
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: there today and look completely discombobulated to me. In the past,

834
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: you got a bye week after getting thrashed by the Dolphins,

835
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: you go away, you come back today, and from the start,

836
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers just seemed to be in a misc communication

837
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: maze with his wide receivers, couldn't hit passes, was shouting

838
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: at Keenan Allen on the sideline at one point, and

839
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: for good reason. I mean, I want to go back

840
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: and watch this one again, because something just was not right.

841
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: This is the team that we nominate, said I want

842
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: to find out you were saying, was like the worst game. Well,

843
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: and it looked like at one point they were gonna

844
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: just wind up winning thirty to seven or something, but

845
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: instead they just couldn't do anything down the stretch. Ryan

846
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Matthews comes back and he helps on the ground. They

847
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: have their best day running in a month. But in general,

848
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: there's no st He looks he looked healthier to me.

849
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Didn't look like he was last season. But there's a

850
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: major issue here. Right we have Philip Rivers dealing with

851
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: an issue, right well, he heard his knee at one

852
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: point and then later on we found out from Antonio

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: Gates after the game that he's been dealing with a

854
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: rib injury. He said severe rib injury for a while,

855
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: which translates to he's playing with broken ribs and that

856
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: would explain some some of the some of what's going

857
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: on in the passing game. But he got sacked by

858
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and looked into being a lot of pain.

859
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: At that point, I don't know. This was You're playing

860
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: the worst team in football that couldn't get out of

861
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: their own way and you and you barely win, no

862
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: style points. Everyone the brown struggle against Raiders. They got

863
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: the job done. Yeah, but we just called the Browns

864
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: and eight and eight team. This is the team of

865
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: eight team we thought was soaring in all this talk

866
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: about changing the team of a TL. Let's come on,

867
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: this is our team. We can't bail on him. Now,

868
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: for yourself, you are has not been formally recognized. You

869
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: are a part of this unit. Are you part of

870
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: you around the NFL podcast? Then you are even on

871
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: the cheese. We can't get dump them. If you guys

872
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: aren't gonna follow me, that's your own folly. You follow,

873
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you get stuck watching a boring team. Now you agreed

874
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: for them to be the team you are y. This

875
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: whole thing was wrong from the beginning because we insisted

876
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: on not making an organic and that defeats the whole

877
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: purpose of the team of a T. We got it

878
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: wrong by not nominating the Cardinals. This is getting ugly.

879
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: Look it was. It was a wrongheaded notion from the

880
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: beginning that we have to appease our fans by picking

881
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: a team at a certain job. Dare we try to

882
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: appease our fans, because that's not feel about us. I

883
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: do think we should think of our fans right now now.

884
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: I know how Mark and Dan feel when when they

885
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: say they're hearing Chris and I are like listening to

886
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: their parents yell. Because right now there's a lot of

887
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast listeners cowering in the corner, wondering

888
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: what's what's happened to the love. I'm just disappointed that

889
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: we West gave us his word, and his word was

890
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be as good as oak, and now he's

891
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: talking about walking out into the darkness with his own team.

892
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I'm unmarried, because I can't commit. I

893
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: just dump people out of have it, like, just leave

894
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: him on the side of the road. Yeah, and actually no,

895
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: it's a great point because when times get hard, you

896
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: don't bail. You have to see things through. This was

897
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: an arranged marriage. Yeah, it's like the Charges got pregnant

898
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: and you felt like you had to get marriage. It's

899
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: like we were born, know, thirteenth century, and I was

900
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: given a cow by her parents. A pretty good analogy.

901
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: With Philip Rivers being there quarterback, it all makes sense.

902
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm not accepting the dowry, I'm giving the cow bat. Yeah. Anyway, so, yeah,

903
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: the Chargers won though, that's the Yeah, well that's the

904
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: thing though it was not a great effort. The Raiders

905
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: while are o intent and by the way, if not,

906
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna go a full calendar year now without winning

907
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: a game. But they're not such an NP team. They're

908
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: they're better than the two thousand eight Lions as an example.

909
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: They're a competitive team and their their defense is a

910
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: little frisky. Well, and you like whether or not the

911
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Chargers played well. They saved their season because you're six

912
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: and four and you're one game back behind the Broncos

913
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: and Chiefs in the West. There would have been it

914
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: would have been out otherwise, and they got We talked

915
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: about how they're going to get defensive players back, and

916
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: their their defense had a great game. I mean, I

917
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: know it was against the Raiders, but they did a

918
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: lot of teams have done a lot worse against Raiders.

919
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: They did what they needed to do to win. And

920
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: you would think maybe if Philip Rivers can get healthy,

921
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: than the offense can get better. One question about the Raiders, Mark,

922
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: do they have to play Latavia's Murray at running back?

923
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: You know, they have to do something. The running game

924
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: is an abject disaster. Why not give the next guy

925
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: a shut? All right, so let's let's move on to

926
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: a game. Let's just you know, bury all the bad blood,

927
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, just move on as a group and talk

928
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: about a game that really doesn't matter. Jay Cutler through

929
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: for three thirty yards and three touchdowns, and the Chicago

930
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Bears they won guys only a second time in seven games,

931
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: that beat the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday. Uh it's all

932
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: a little too too little, too late for the Bears,

933
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: of course, Uh though a nice, a nice win that

934
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: I would imagine helps Mark Trustman's job security at the

935
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: very least. I don't think Trustman's gonna save his job

936
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: with just one win, but at least this was a

937
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: game where they completely dominated Minnesota. I took the Vikings

938
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: in this game, and the Vikings it was a miracle

939
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: that they were within one score late in the game,

940
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: because the Bears went up and down the field, they

941
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: threw the ball vertically. Teddy Bridgewater couldn't do anything in

942
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: the cold weather, in the snow like it looked like

943
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: it was an eight and two Bears team going against

944
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the two and eight Vikings team. All of these rookie

945
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are playing right now appeared to be regressing.

946
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: This was a long season and some of them just

947
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: seem to have hit a wall. And and they're also

948
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: if you're the Vikings and you're you know, car for example,

949
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: or your Boardles, you don't have a whole lot around you. Right.

950
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: They didn't really attack the Bears secondary either deep down

951
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: the field like you would have thought. They would have

952
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: been fairly aggressive, but it was just thinking done, hope

953
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: you could brank a couple of running plays, which they

954
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: really didn't, and that was it. You want to talk

955
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: about someone regressing Cordarrell Patterson are number one making the

956
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: lead guy on what's going on with this guy? Week

957
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: at a week it's over for him. This season was

958
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: a loss, and now they got to figure out if

959
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: he's a guy that they can actually keep as a

960
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: main part of their game playing because there obviously is

961
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: a huge disconnect with him. He has no role in

962
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: his offense. It's kind of hard. It's it's hard to

963
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: know what to say about this Steve. When Charles Johnson

964
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: led the team in receiving with six sketches, I'm sorry

965
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: seven years to Charles Johnson. Johnson, Checkie, Chuckie j what

966
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: you love him? Right? Yeah? Well, and here we go eighties,

967
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: seven yards fourteen point five average. Everyone's freaking out that

968
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: anyone would even name him as a potential wide receiver

969
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: with any promise and then turned him on the field.

970
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: Charles Johnson, he's really making Gregg eat his words, right. Yeah,

971
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It was because you just are so.

972
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I knew they had something to do with something. At

973
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: some point Charles Johnson and I mean Mark and West

974
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: touted Charles Johnson as a sleeper on the Browns roster, right,

975
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't untrue. I think if he were in Cleveland,

976
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: he would have been making places. Don't have any wide receivers,

977
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: now you do, Oh that's j Gordon. Oh yeah, speaking

978
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: of great young wide receivers, Rookie Mike Evans had two

979
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: d and nine yards receiving and two touchdowns on Sunday

980
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They ended a five game

981
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: losing seven win over the Washington Redskins, who stink Robert

982
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: Griffin third, he continues to look extremely rusty. I don't

983
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: know how long can you be playing the rusty card.

984
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: By the way, when there was a bye week they

985
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: already played when week he still looks rusty coming back

986
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: from that ankle injury, and the Redskins in general look

987
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: like a team that is very, very very far from

988
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: contention on any level. I stand in all of your

989
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: transition transitions have been unbelievable. I am professional, but about

990
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: the Redskins dead, Robert Griffin the Third left his talent

991
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: on an operating room table. It's it's it. I think

992
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: West and I have both been uh, very patient with Robert.

993
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: We we talked him up in the talked him as

994
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: a Payer of the Year guy, genuine hope. We we

995
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: loved how the player he once was. But that guy's gone.

996
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he's coming back, maybe eventually. Maybe

997
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: it will take another coaching step, maybe take another year,

998
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: maybe takes him to move to another team. But this

999
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: version and Robert Griffin Jr. Third I I tweeted that

1000
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: the biggest difference. There are a lot of issues. He's

1001
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: not maybe as physically great, but there's a complete absence

1002
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: of mojo with this guy. There's just just the way

1003
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: he carries himself now. He doesn't have any of that swagger,

1004
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: that confidence. Uh, even when you know he's in the pocket,

1005
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: he's not comfortable when he runs with the ball. He

1006
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a dangerous weapon anymore. And the accuracy

1007
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: is a major issue. He overthrew de Sean Jackson twice,

1008
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: which is hard to do. Uh, and you know he

1009
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: doesn't even He couldn't even find Jordan Reid, who was

1010
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: bunch of guy last season. The one thing you thought

1011
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: you could take out of last season was the connection

1012
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: with Jordan Reid, and injuries on both ends have really

1013
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: short circuited that. Reid hurt his hamstring again today. So,

1014
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't watched a ton of Redskins this year,

1015
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: and I found it to be a real arduous to chore.

1016
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: They are a bad, bad football team and a bad

1017
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: organization right nere now that really has to start thinking

1018
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: about blowing the whole thing up. Well, this is their

1019
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: worst game in a really bad season by far, losing

1020
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: at home to the Bucks. J Gruden called it horrific.

1021
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: R G three said all six sacks were on him,

1022
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and he called it a travesty. Is there any scenario

1023
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: where he's not on the team next year? Yes, I

1024
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: believe they have an eight teen million option on him. Wow. Well,

1025
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: I just wonder if if Jay Gruden is still the

1026
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: coach with you. I assumed that he is. I'm going

1027
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: to miss Gruden. No, I assumed J Gruden will still

1028
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: be the coach. And yeah, I don't think it's that

1029
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: crazy to imagine that they could trade him. I don't know,

1030
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: it seems better for both parties. Good quarterback in this game, Oh,

1031
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: Josh mccam one quarterback radio besides the disgraceful team of

1032
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: a t L stuff. Been a big day for West

1033
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: on the podcast or in the Saints losing it. But

1034
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: it took ten weeks, but now you finally have a

1035
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: good Josh game game to talk about. Josh mcajocm was

1036
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: good last week. To Mike Lennon has never been as

1037
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: good as Josh McCown was. To the he was legit good.

1038
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: And he has some real chemistry with with this rookie

1039
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: receiver because I think Mike Evans is the front runner

1040
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: for offensive Rookie of the Year. Now, um, I think

1041
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: it's a crowded field, a lot of talented, especially at

1042
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. But this guy is the real deal.

1043
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean he was dominant, what over two yards on

1044
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: seven catches? Uh, making big plays getting behind the secondary. Uh.

1045
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: This is the guy is potential to be a special player.

1046
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: And you put and we talked about duos. It gets

1047
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: lost because it's Tampa Bay and they're they're you know,

1048
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: the Bucks. But Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans have a

1049
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: chance to be a real dangerous coupling if they keep

1050
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: them together. I know, I know that you're right. McCowen

1051
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: has looked better than Glennon and he's and he's I

1052
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: think he's a lovely Smith type of quarterback in a

1053
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Well, I just think he's a kind

1054
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: of he's a veteran. He doesn't want to take some

1055
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: he has to spend four years on it. Doesn't have

1056
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: time to do that in Tampa. But if you're a

1057
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: Bucks fan, after suffering through the horrors of this season,

1058
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: do you want Josh McCown as your long term answer here?

1059
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: I just I think it's like, yeah, he's playing well,

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: but that's not an answer for this team. This sounds crazy,

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00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: but the Bucks are not out of the NFC South Rade. No,

1062
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: they're not, and they would be. They could win this division.

1063
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: They could also be another team that lost five straight

1064
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: and was losing fifty six nothing to the Falcons on

1065
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: a Thursday night. And I don't think you're wrong. They were,

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00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: but that was on prim account. Oh my guess I

1067
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: don't think Wait a second last, come on, be carefully

1068
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: account stuff. Everybody in America has trash Josh McCown, and

1069
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I was said, I said a few weeks ago, I'm

1070
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: not willing to write this guy off. I still believe

1071
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: that's fair and and we didn't know. Maybe the how

1072
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: good Mike Evans was four and fifty yards and five

1073
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: touchdowns in three weeks. Maybe he's good because Josh McCown

1074
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: helping him good. Well, some of those stats were with you, boy,

1075
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: Mike glennan the worst answer in the NFL. And that

1076
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: takes us, gentlemen, to Sunday Night Football, where the New

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00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: England Patriots look every bit the Super Bowl contender Greg

1078
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Rosenthal was expecting this season, and they did it not

1079
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: because of Tom Brady on Sunday or some magical play

1080
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: by Darrell Reevas or something gritty from Julian Edelman. Rather,

1081
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: Jonas Gray goes nuts runs for a hundred and ninety

1082
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: nine yards and four touchdowns, leading the Patriots to a

1083
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: dominating twenty win over the Indianapolis Colts on the road.

1084
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: Just a really a thorough win for Bill Belichick's team. Greg,

1085
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: you are now all alone a top the a f C,

1086
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: a full game out ahead of the Bronch Anything you

1087
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: personally have done this. Uh nice blocking today upfront, by

1088
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: the way, with with the tiebreaker advantage of the Broncos too.

1089
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: So now the Patriots are in great position to go

1090
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. Is the one seed as long as

1091
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: they don't mess it up. Well, they have a lot

1092
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: of tough games left Lions, Packers, Chargers, Dolphins, so I

1093
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't give it to them right now. But it's kind

1094
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: of shocking that they not only beat the Broncos and

1095
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: Colts and back to back weeks, but they did it convincingly,

1096
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: and they did it really with their offensive line. I mean,

1097
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: this was the big problem early in the season. The

1098
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: offensive line is changing players every every game and they're

1099
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: getting dominated. And I mean they just steamrolled Indianapolis up front,

1100
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: and the Cults are too easily bullied by quality opponents.

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00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: This was It's the same thing that happened in the

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00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: playoffs this year with Jonas Gray playing the rule of

1103
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: la Garrett Blont Greg. I mean, honestly, are you surprised

1104
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: on any level that New England? You know? I am

1105
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the no one expected that I I picked the cald

1106
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: this first time. By the way, I got a Patriots

1107
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: game wrong. I thought I knew they were playing great,

1108
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: but I thought this is a perfect spot for them

1109
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: to cool off a little bit, still be in good

1110
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: position in the a f C. But instead they dominated

1111
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: this game. Really, I mean the game is a closer. Uh,

1112
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: the final score doesn't quite indicate it was. It was

1113
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: a game for most of the way. But at the

1114
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, they were out playing the Colts throughout.

1115
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: They are really they are clicking at a level now

1116
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady did not play particularly well in this game.

1117
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: He missed them throws, he threw two interceptions, including a

1118
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: terrible one at the end of the second quarter, but

1119
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: it didn't matter because you have this dominating performance by

1120
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: a Gray and the offensive line and another crazy special

1121
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: ground play. This team is clicking big time. Well. That

1122
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: This is why when you give Bill Belichick, you know,

1123
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of credit. One of the reasons

1124
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: he should get it is because he does things like

1125
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: he came into this game with the plan to go

1126
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: six offensive lineman almost half of the snaps, and just

1127
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: that was what they were gonna do. They hadn't done

1128
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: that all season. That's exactly what they did and the

1129
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: Colts had no answer for it. It was striking the

1130
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: contrast between Gray who was a month ago on the

1131
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: Patriots practice squad and Trent Richardson acquired for first round

1132
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: pick and was the slowest player on the field tonight.

1133
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: Just this Trent Richardson thing. I hope that they the

1134
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: cults finally just cut the chord on this. They could

1135
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: not on the ball at all. They can't cut the

1136
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: court because last week saw him Odd branch all, he

1137
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: was limping off the field with no cleat on his foot.

1138
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: They had four yards four yards on fourteen carries between

1139
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Branch and Richardson. And you know, Mark, I want you

1140
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: to know in West that Greg is very happy right now.

1141
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Patriots fans again, they're they're like to the mood. These

1142
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: are new times February one. When Tommy's walking off that field,

1143
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm not the loser in the super Bowl, then he

1144
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: won't be so happy. If that's the best that you got,

1145
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: that that's all. I guess. Steve's gonna make it to

1146
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's all. I got to get revenge

1147
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: in the desert your pipe smoking in all serious is yeah,

1148
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: as Greg you said this week, give the Patriots make

1149
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. The Giants will be standing in their way.

1150
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: That's good. But but honestly with it's not too premature

1151
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: to talk a little Super Bowl to talk for the

1152
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Patriots because they're probably barring now a late season stumble.

1153
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: Gonna be hosting in Foxboro in January, and that's huge.

1154
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: And Hue and the Broncos, who a couple of weeks ago,

1155
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: we were all on the same page that no team

1156
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: looked better now really needs to scramble to to get

1157
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: this one seed. I don't know if they're going to

1158
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: when and when these teams inevitably meet again in the

1159
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: a C title game, it will be in New England,

1160
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: and if it's anyone other than Denver. You look at

1161
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: the round the a f C. You can't find a

1162
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: team that's consistent from week to week. Didn't you have

1163
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: a sessler that Brady would get injured this year? Okay,

1164
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: I was just saying that's the only way this team

1165
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: is getting derailed right now is a Brady or Gronk injury. Really,

1166
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: and I hear you and I and I'm not trying

1167
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: to make the case that they're gonna fall apart or anything,

1168
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: but six games. You know, we talked about the end

1169
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: of the season like it's right around the quarter. Six

1170
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: games is an eternity. Six games ago they were two

1171
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: and two. You know, the Chiefs were two and three.

1172
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: We thought they had all sorts of problems. Things changed.

1173
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: The Broncos can are fully capable of going on a

1174
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: crazy run. Patriots have some hardgame. This Colts team, I

1175
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: think is still going to be heard from by the

1176
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: end of the year. Denver, absolutely. But but New England,

1177
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: unlike other teams that are just learning how to succeed.

1178
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what every year. They have shown

1179
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: that they're capable of going on eight game win streaks.

1180
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: So I'm not that worried about them crumbling down the stretch.

1181
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Give me a breakin though, this is a very imprisson win.

1182
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, Alan Chris in NBC, they cannot

1183
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: catch a break. I was doing a little quick research

1184
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: after the game. This has been nine straight weeks now

1185
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 1: where a game has been decided by at least eighteen points. Yeah, long,

1186
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, drive straight weeks. I don't know if that

1187
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: could be fixed or what, but that is unpressed. An

1188
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: especially long trip home to the like cream colored mansions

1189
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: they live in, all right, Jamie Collins, By the way,

1190
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: we got that one right, another big game. He made

1191
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: the leap. Greg just sits on the throne of ease

1192
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: from morning till night, from morning till night. All right,

1193
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: let's all, let's all retire to our thrones of ease

1194
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: at home. This is another Around the NFL podcast ending.

1195
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: This is Dan Hansis signing off for the Sizzler, The Mailman,

1196
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: The Boss, and TV Behind the Glass and Weezer Gray

1197
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: No good call. Titty has never heard the song for

1198
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: I am liking it though. That is good part. This

1199
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: is how if we were doing a podcast a half

1200
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: a decade ago, we could have played Rudy Can't failed

1201
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: by the clash for Rudy Johnson Ah too bad, missed opportunity.

1202
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: I think we officially o wes Er money at this

1203
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: point until