Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast. He's trying to outlast Brady's career.
Speaker 1: From the Chris Blessling podcast studio, It's the Round the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, Dan Hands this year joined by Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: It is the flagship program, Greg. Week three Sunday is
Speaker 1: in the books and we are here to recap all
Speaker 1: of it. And it was a interesting Sunday here, Greg.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting if your voice makes it to
Speaker 1: the end here, you put some honey in, you're drinking
Speaker 1: some tea. I'm more concerned now than it was a
Speaker 1: minute ago after hearing it. But it does feel like
Speaker 1: the season kind of started today, just as like a
Speaker 1: bigger picture of you you know, I do that sometimes
Speaker 1: right at the beginning. You like that. Okay, Steelers one
Speaker 1: and two, Chiefs one and two, Patriots one and two,
Speaker 1: Seahawks one and two, Like these are some you know
Speaker 1: bucks get a loss. Uh, these are some you know,
Speaker 1: teams that have been regularly in the playoffs, are big
Speaker 1: name teams under five now, some with concerning losses, some
Speaker 1: less so. And it's like okay, now, okay, now we're
Speaker 1: starting to sink our teeth into things. That was the
Speaker 1: point I was going to get into but you're helping
Speaker 1: me with my voice. No Mark Cessler here of course.
Speaker 1: Um and if you saw on Twitter, uh this morning,
Speaker 1: Mark gave a little update on his situation. He's continue
Speaker 1: to have some of those issues, healthy issues that it
Speaker 1: occurred last month and they're back this month. So we're
Speaker 1: without Mark now for our second show and hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: have him back in the not too distant future. Um,
Speaker 1: but time will tell. But Mark's doing okay. We're in
Speaker 1: contact with him. He's getting better now, Am I getting better?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna see. I got a lot
Speaker 1: of podcasting to do today and a lot of games
Speaker 1: to get to. And yeah, you set it up well there,
Speaker 1: because the fact that the Bucks got humbled I think
Speaker 1: was their first loss since what November. Yeah, the Chiefs
Speaker 1: get beat again. I mean, those are the top two
Speaker 1: teams in foot ball. Everybody kind of sees them that way,
Speaker 1: and it feels like maybe things aren't that way. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're like you're saying, there's a person The personality of
Speaker 1: the season is starting to come into focus in week
Speaker 1: three and we're gonna go through every single game including yes,
Speaker 1: I know, I know our fans really do love the
Speaker 1: Kicker Club. I hear about it all the time and
Speaker 1: my mentions, and this was the most important night in
Speaker 1: the history of the Kicker Club in terms of just
Speaker 1: like the night's just starting. Yeah, just like the scope
Speaker 1: of the celebration is at a level that it's almost
Speaker 1: impossible to kind of put it in perspective. I mean,
Speaker 1: as we're taping this, I feel like it's just going off.
Speaker 1: Tucker's in the corner and U. It's gonna be a
Speaker 1: long night. It's gonna be a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. It's like I remember being at ray Lewis's
Speaker 1: final game when the Ravens uh outlasted the forty Niners
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and being in the locker room,
Speaker 1: and you know, all the all the journal journals, all
Speaker 1: the other teammates, everyone was crowded around the corner of
Speaker 1: the locker room for ray Lewis, and he was just
Speaker 1: slowly unpeeling the tape off his arms and taking off
Speaker 1: his like knee strap and and just quietly reflecting on
Speaker 1: a career. Um well done. I think that's Tucker right
Speaker 1: now with the Kicker Club. It's good we can get
Speaker 1: some of our Tucker talk out now because I think
Speaker 1: we do have Kevin Patrick coming at you with another
Speaker 1: gut punch of all gut punch Lions losses later, So
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we don't need to Patrick back on
Speaker 1: the podcast. And it's one of those sad Lions games
Speaker 1: that really the Lions do worse slash better than anyone.
Speaker 1: But anyway, a lot of games to get to, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna dig into it right now, starting yes with
Speaker 1: the game that went on just across the sidewalk from us,
Speaker 1: where the defending champs went down. Staffer keeps his rings
Speaker 1: out the line, third down intent, we all protected, steps
Speaker 1: up launchers, keep down the right numbers all alone. Jackson
Speaker 1: over the shoulder at the thirty, he leaves his way
Speaker 1: through the end zone. Touchdown l seventy five yards. Welcome
Speaker 1: home to Sean Jackson. There he is our buddy J. B.
Speaker 1: Long with the call ESPN Radio Long Long, DJ Long
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson. Touchdowns. Enjoy them, savor them, treasure them. Even
Speaker 1: we only get a couple every year, but they're always spectacular.
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford went off throwing four touchdowns, including that rainbow
Speaker 1: to d Jacksons. The Rams kind of had their way
Speaker 1: with the Bucks. Win over the Champs. Greg being the
Speaker 1: best team in football in late September doesn't really mean
Speaker 1: much in the big picture, but I think that might
Speaker 1: be where the Rams stand right now. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they gotta you gotta give him the respect on the
Speaker 1: power rankings. Later this week we'll find out. But it
Speaker 1: makes sense. You beat the Champs, you beat him convincingly,
Speaker 1: you do it in a game where I'm almost having
Speaker 1: a hard time taking a big picture takeaway other than
Speaker 1: man Jackson's got that Deshan Jackson still got that juice,
Speaker 1: not just on that seventy year touch done, but on
Speaker 1: another throw up the sideline where he just goes zero
Speaker 1: to blinding in a couple of seconds. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: he might have a few more of these types of
Speaker 1: days because Matthew Stafford is so well protected. That's That's
Speaker 1: probably my biggest takeaway is that the difference between Brady
Speaker 1: and Stafford today was there was nothing the Buccaneers defense
Speaker 1: could do to bother Matthew Stafford. It's not the running games.
Speaker 1: Neither team had a running game until the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: when the Rams were just starting to running out the clock.
Speaker 1: Here Stafford on third and long, just as like patting
Speaker 1: the ball and Todd Bowls is trying to send blitzes.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work. He's trying to not send blitz is.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work either. You lose Jamal Dean in this game.
Speaker 1: That's two of their starters in the secondary, a position
Speaker 1: that at cornerback where you felt like they were already
Speaker 1: thin and it was just felt like guys are open.
Speaker 1: And Stafford, uh can find the guys that are open.
Speaker 1: He can deliver it to any part of the field.
Speaker 1: And at one point they had I think sixth straight
Speaker 1: scoring possessions. It is the first time in Sean mcveigh's
Speaker 1: coaching career where that happened, and you did it against
Speaker 1: the Bucks. It's amazing. Pretty good. That is pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is exactly what it was kind of
Speaker 1: advertised as going into the season that this would revitalize
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and his attack and and revitalize Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: and kick his career into this like next stage and
Speaker 1: maybe to a much higher plane. And yet doing against
Speaker 1: the Bucks is really special, and you know they actually
Speaker 1: things started off okay um. Stafford started one for six
Speaker 1: um and they were mostly miss throws. That's sort of
Speaker 1: a reminder to just how much open guys they were.
Speaker 1: It was about four miss throws in that one for
Speaker 1: six and then he went nuts, and like you said,
Speaker 1: they score on the next six drives. And I think
Speaker 1: with the with the Bucks, yeah, you're a little concerned
Speaker 1: about the defense. Can they hold up in a big
Speaker 1: spot against a true contender like the Rams? Not today?
Speaker 1: And then I think it's it's time to get a
Speaker 1: little bit worried about their running game. And I know
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones is in the doghouse right now, but they
Speaker 1: had thirty five yards total. Brady was the team's leading rusher.
Speaker 1: That's Tom Brady, forty year old Tom Brady fourteen yards.
Speaker 1: So Brady is continuing to be indestructible. He won two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: added a rushing score. But that's not really what you
Speaker 1: want to do. I don't care how good Brady is.
Speaker 1: You want to have some balance in there and the
Speaker 1: and the Bucks don't have it. They don't they don't
Speaker 1: have it. They didn't have Antonio Brown. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's more Brady trying to keep up with this defense.
Speaker 1: Once they got deeper into the game, you felt like
Speaker 1: when the Rams made a stop and you give her
Speaker 1: Heem Morris some credit. You give Aaron Donna. Leonard Floyd
Speaker 1: made a play they always have, like a role player
Speaker 1: makeup play. Kenny Young made a couple of nice plays
Speaker 1: in this game. They've done enough defensively. Los Angeles has
Speaker 1: whereas Tampa Like, yes, it's gonna be there with the
Speaker 1: greatest passing games in the league, and I'm not too
Speaker 1: worried about them in general, but they need a little more.
Speaker 1: The pass rush has quietly been mediocre all three weeks,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just the fact that j PP wasn't
Speaker 1: there today. Today they stepped up in class in terms of,
Speaker 1: you know, the offense that they were facing. I know
Speaker 1: they had Dallas week one. They've had some tough matchups,
Speaker 1: but they just they weren't Sniff and Stafford pretty one sided.
Speaker 1: And because Tom Brady got to four thirty two, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the number is, but it's well under
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. Tom Brady will become the all time
Speaker 1: leading passer Erica next week Sunday Night in Foxborough, unless
Speaker 1: he gets injured in the first quarter. I can't think
Speaker 1: of like anything like it is just gonna be such
Speaker 1: of just a flame thrower of the like Gillette or
Speaker 1: where No it's hot, it's not gonna standing when it's done. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get to the Pats. But this, yeah,
Speaker 1: this was about the worst way that they could go
Speaker 1: into it, because the Bucks will be they're they're a
Speaker 1: champion and they're gonna be licking their wounds and ready
Speaker 1: to bounce back angry Bucks team Tom Brady, who's already
Speaker 1: known for having laser focus that no other athletes ever
Speaker 1: had in the NFL. I, yeah, I don't like your
Speaker 1: team's chances next week. Yeah, well, we don't need to
Speaker 1: get to that. It's gotta it's gotta get pumped up,
Speaker 1: like push back that conversation until it's gone. But it's
Speaker 1: going to pop up. It's a week from today. And
Speaker 1: by the way, good job by the Westling brothers, whoa
Speaker 1: locking up. Oh that's nice locking up the Rams to
Speaker 1: beat the defending champs. Yeah they were in their building, um,
Speaker 1: the Rams, but still to beat Tom Brady and the
Speaker 1: Bucks who were two and oh and had it lost
Speaker 1: in forever. That's a nice. Last quick thing is that
Speaker 1: the Rams crowd is a thing. It's almost like they
Speaker 1: were lucky they would never of course say this, and
Speaker 1: they and it's not really true, but it's almost perfect
Speaker 1: that they're entering the stadium with Stafford. You know, they've
Speaker 1: done a great job. The Rams really have to be
Speaker 1: given credit. You know, the personnel moves that they made,
Speaker 1: they're all paying off right now on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball, what they did this offseason, but also that
Speaker 1: they got this stadium bill. They slowly built this fan
Speaker 1: base up even more than when they got here five
Speaker 1: years ago. Was six years ago with Jeff Fisher, and
Speaker 1: that place was rocking. It was a real home field advantage.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something we wondered about. Lakisha Westling
Speaker 1: was in there having a great time, saying it was
Speaker 1: just going bananas, and they they delivered her a great
Speaker 1: That's the optimistic way to look at it. You could
Speaker 1: also say, oh, so they used for like three decades
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is a pawn and leverage to get teams
Speaker 1: to build stadiums instead of giving Los Angeles professional football
Speaker 1: throughout the end of the nineties too. There there's a
Speaker 1: lot of missteps along, but I just say for this
Speaker 1: current Roys organization, man, it just does feel like they
Speaker 1: timed this perfectly with the with the fans in the crowd,
Speaker 1: and I was impressed. I was a little surprised just
Speaker 1: how how loud it wasn't there in another big game
Speaker 1: for Cooper Cup Um that is a lethal connection Stafford
Speaker 1: to cup Let's check in on the other Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty four participant takes the snap, this is the game.
Speaker 1: Mahomes now retreating, climbing the pocket, lets it fly toward
Speaker 1: the left. It is going to reach the end zone.
Speaker 1: And that isn't complete in the Chargers win no flags.
Speaker 1: The Chargers come into Arrowhead, force four turnovers and get
Speaker 1: out with a thirty lead. I'm a money smith. It
Speaker 1: was because the Chargers defense stonewallt Patrick Mahomes in the
Speaker 1: final quarter and Justin Herbert through four touchdown passes, including
Speaker 1: the game winner you heard there, like to Mike Williams,
Speaker 1: and win at Arrowhead. Herbert outplayed Mahomes in a game
Speaker 1: that felt like a statement of intent by the Chargers
Speaker 1: and great. We know that Justin Herbert is a savage
Speaker 1: in the pocket, but according to his head coach, there's
Speaker 1: another way to describe him. Clearly, we need to Um
Speaker 1: have it be even a bigger emphasis because we can't
Speaker 1: play like we're fortunate we have a you know, a
Speaker 1: gangster quarterback, um, but we got a coach better a
Speaker 1: gangster quarterback. And and Brandon Staley, who I thought really
Speaker 1: did a nice job in this game and in general
Speaker 1: seems to have his finger on the pulse of his
Speaker 1: offense and his quarterback more specifically that there were multiple points,
Speaker 1: including at the you know, the most important important juncture
Speaker 1: of the game, where he could have been a little
Speaker 1: bit more conservative, but he said no, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: my faith and Justin Herbert, who he said for the
Speaker 1: second straight week was the best player on the field,
Speaker 1: and Herbert did not let him down. And he said
Speaker 1: Mike Williams was the second best that was close behind
Speaker 1: him and Mike Williams because one and two he is
Speaker 1: embracing this new role. You love to see players put
Speaker 1: in a position to maximize their skills and just that
Speaker 1: like Mike Williams the same player that he was the
Speaker 1: last four years, but now he's a way more productive.
Speaker 1: And you have to look at coaching as as the
Speaker 1: number one reason if you win the turnover back although
Speaker 1: forward and nothing and the Chiefs have been pretty sloppy,
Speaker 1: including Mahomes with the ball this year, like you better win.
Speaker 1: I mean they want they want turnovers forward and nothing.
Speaker 1: That is how you you be maybe a more talented team.
Speaker 1: Uh and wow the Chiefs one and two. Are you
Speaker 1: worried at all? A little bit? Um? Not really? I
Speaker 1: mean they killed themselves again in this game with turnovers.
Speaker 1: And it started with three trips into Chargers territory that
Speaker 1: all ended with turnovers. And and Clyde Edwards Hilaire, who
Speaker 1: otherwise played a very good game, he put it on
Speaker 1: the ground. Uh, there was a Tyreek Hill fumble, there
Speaker 1: was an interception that went off hands that led to
Speaker 1: another turnover that that hurt them. And then what happens
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs is when you make those mistakes as
Speaker 1: the Kansas City offense, and when you have those turnovers
Speaker 1: as the opponent, you better take advantage of it. And
Speaker 1: I thought the Charges did a great job. They were
Speaker 1: They did not get any points out of the first
Speaker 1: tone turnover, but then they turned the next two into touchdowns,
Speaker 1: got that four team nothing lead, which is what they
Speaker 1: needed to get comfortable, get into the groove. And when
Speaker 1: the Chiefs have inevitably went on their run, when they
Speaker 1: took over late in the second quarter, got a field goal,
Speaker 1: and then started second half touchdown touchdown, touchdown to seemingly
Speaker 1: take control of the game. They had built up enough
Speaker 1: of the lead the Chargers early that they could weather
Speaker 1: that storm, and then they outplayed Kansas City the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. So I thought that was very, very
Speaker 1: important to take advantage of Casey mistakes, which have been
Speaker 1: more plentiful than I expected. On offense, I'll put it
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, I do think, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: have a ton of dimensions to their offense beyond Kelsey
Speaker 1: and Hill. We'll see if like the weight of carrying
Speaker 1: the entire franchise starts to wear on Kelsey, Hill and
Speaker 1: Mahomes are the rest of the guys get better. But
Speaker 1: it's it's very uncharacteristic of the Chiefs too, you know,
Speaker 1: get outscored Tod nothing in the last three minutes of
Speaker 1: the game. That that's the opposite of what they did
Speaker 1: last year. But it's a reminder they they made it
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl laster by winning close games over
Speaker 1: and over and over. They have not been a truly
Speaker 1: dominant team since you know, earlier of Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think that's certainly fair to say. And Andy Reid another
Speaker 1: subplot after this. After this game, we learned that Andy
Speaker 1: Reid was taken to the hospital after the game. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the ESPN reporting where we are now, um,
Speaker 1: but he left the stadium in an ambulance following the game. UH.
Speaker 1: Source close to Read told ESPN's Jeff Darlington that the
Speaker 1: coach was in good spirits when he departed for precautionary
Speaker 1: observation after he felt ill. So you have, obviously you
Speaker 1: have this situation going on now. Read is sixty three
Speaker 1: years old, and it's something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: And hopefully everything is over hospitals. I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to go to hospitals. I don't want anyone doing anything.
Speaker 1: Come on, Andy Reid, we need you, We need you,
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. But yeah, that that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: come down on the Chiefs because the same thing happened
Speaker 1: last week in Baltimore against Baltimore where they're winning that
Speaker 1: game if they just don't shoot themselves on the foot.
Speaker 1: They did it repeatedly in this game. But even though
Speaker 1: that happened early in this game, I thought it was
Speaker 1: very interesting and very telling in a positive way. For
Speaker 1: the charges that they basically got this game back to
Speaker 1: even and then outplayed, uh the Chiefs and Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: outplayed Mahomes who threw the big interception that led to
Speaker 1: the game winning points. So whoa good job Charges after
Speaker 1: they charged it up last week in Dallas to get
Speaker 1: this w that's a big one. Let's move on, Josh
Speaker 1: and shotgun takes the snap, looks to his left, looks
Speaker 1: nobody comes open. Josh rolls to his right, takes a look.
Speaker 1: Gonna keep it. He's gonna run it in touchdown Buffalo
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Josh Allen from two yards time touchdown, Buffalo.
Speaker 1: John Murphy with the call w g R. Turns out
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is still good. The Bills quarterback through four
Speaker 1: touchdown passes ran for another Bills embarrassed their opponent for
Speaker 1: the second straight week. This time it was the Washington
Speaker 1: football team no chance one blowout at Orchard Park. Greg
Speaker 1: Buffalo has a cooking on both sides of the football. Now,
Speaker 1: I was so impressed by this Bill's team again. The
Speaker 1: defense swarms to the ball. It was somehow a misleading
Speaker 1: forty three to twenty one. It didn't feel that close
Speaker 1: because if you break down the three Washington touchdowns, one
Speaker 1: comes on a screen play, you know, unbelievable play by
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson. He watted that end zone. Was one of
Speaker 1: the best players of the game, but it was called
Speaker 1: at a perfect time, great individual effort. Another touchdown on
Speaker 1: an extremely short field on what amounted to was an
Speaker 1: onside kick, and then one deep into garbage time, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen set the tone on a third and I think
Speaker 1: it was a fifteen on the first drive, beautiful throw
Speaker 1: on the outside the Sanders, and then an even better throw,
Speaker 1: you know, escaping the pocket for forty one yard touchdown
Speaker 1: the Sanders on that drive, and from then on it
Speaker 1: was just like Josh Allen firing bullets missed Diggs like
Speaker 1: a couple of times streaking down the field. But otherwise
Speaker 1: Sanders has added so much they had no problem whatsoever.
Speaker 1: At one point in this game, they were almost tripling
Speaker 1: up Washington in terms of yardage and they are now
Speaker 1: the NFL leaders and score differential along with the Broncos.
Speaker 1: And I just think of this defense, and granted they've
Speaker 1: played three shaky offenses, but if this defense can play
Speaker 1: close to this well all year, to me, they are
Speaker 1: the most complete a f C team. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of good a f C teams, but I think on paper,
Speaker 1: they're the one team that has the chance to have
Speaker 1: a truly great offense and a truly great defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially seeing the Bills really come to life on
Speaker 1: defense last week with the offense starting to fire up,
Speaker 1: and then this week and I didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to this game, but hearing the way you're explaining it,
Speaker 1: it's this sounds like last year's attack, maybe with less
Speaker 1: stefon dig still than we were expecting. Still go six
Speaker 1: for sixty two, had like ten targets. He just missed
Speaker 1: him a time that was on Allen. But but on
Speaker 1: the same day that the Chiefs again look mortal for
Speaker 1: the second straight week. If you're a Bills and you're
Speaker 1: thinking yourself, oh my goodness, this really is set up
Speaker 1: well for us to potentially make that push to get
Speaker 1: to the top of this conference, and that has to
Speaker 1: be extremely, extremely exciting. Yeah, what did you see from
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke by the way in this game, because I
Speaker 1: really I liked how he played against the Giants and
Speaker 1: Thursday night he had the MOXI made some big plays.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like much the same stuff. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I think if you look a week went two, he
Speaker 1: did make a couple of plays. I mean his touchdown run. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable how he like you know, sought out
Speaker 1: the pilot like he's gonna make plays. I don't think
Speaker 1: he played that poorly. They picked him off a couple
Speaker 1: of times. One one was a little lucky. But there's
Speaker 1: not much sustaining element in this. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a team that's like going to go up and
Speaker 1: down the field on other good teams. They didn't protect
Speaker 1: that well. And yeah, your boys young and sweaty, they
Speaker 1: were definitely quiet today. To chase defense, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's been one of the worst defenses in the league
Speaker 1: because I I really when you look at that first
Speaker 1: Chargers game, they they got a couple of turnovers, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't get a This team has barely forced to
Speaker 1: punt all season. In three games, that's a trend. They're
Speaker 1: in trouble. They're they're lucky to not be o in three.
Speaker 1: So Buffalo has I don't know how the Steelers beat
Speaker 1: the Bills in Week one after what we've seen since,
Speaker 1: but they have that one loss, and now they are
Speaker 1: back in a groove and we'll see you the Washington
Speaker 1: football team and a lot of these and they're the
Speaker 1: New York Giant says will get to a little bit better.
Speaker 1: There's some issues in the NFC East right now, as
Speaker 1: there was last year. Let's keep on moving to Greg,
Speaker 1: your favorite place in the world, Foxborough. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's not my favorite place. It's only been there like
Speaker 1: twice third Narnia three times. But that a case. And well,
Speaker 1: we made a quarterback and j mrs wide out to
Speaker 1: the left, power run right side Taysom Hill. We'll walk
Speaker 1: into the end song and what a play and want
Speaker 1: a drive by Taysom Hill a Taysom alert. The Saints
Speaker 1: backup QB gadget Boy rushed for his first score of
Speaker 1: the season, helping the Saints shake off They're grizzly Week two.
Speaker 1: Laws to the Panthers and over the Pats. Yes in
Speaker 1: Foxborough Gilette Stadium. The big ball Greg New Orleans defense
Speaker 1: brought the goods in this one, uh intercepting rookie QB
Speaker 1: mac Jones three times. The Pets have some issues. They
Speaker 1: have issues, and they play consistently the most boring game
Speaker 1: like on every Sunday slate. That's a problem too, Like
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're taping this at night, like so I
Speaker 1: have sort of had the stench of this game off
Speaker 1: of me because it was just it's just a slog
Speaker 1: is similar to your the Jets Pats game yesterday where
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you if you take the
Speaker 1: three turnovers away, it's like neither passing game could get going.
Speaker 1: They both didn't look great, but the Saints kind of
Speaker 1: do what the Patriots want to do. But I think
Speaker 1: they do it better right now. And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is offensive line getting it done. They lose
Speaker 1: Torn Armstead, they're all pro at left tackle or lee
Speaker 1: in this game, doesn't matter. They protected Winston well. Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara had a very hard earned I think, what was
Speaker 1: it a hundred twenty eight yards from scrimmage, something like that,
Speaker 1: hundred eighteen yards from scrimmage, but you know, yards that
Speaker 1: I don't think other running backs were gonna get. On defense,
Speaker 1: they try to mix it up a lot. Dennis Allen's
Speaker 1: I think very creative. Has guys up front, and they
Speaker 1: got after Mac Jones. They dominated the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: on both sides the ball, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: the Patriots were hoping to do coming into this season,
Speaker 1: but they can't do it. They're not running the ball well,
Speaker 1: their offensive lines not playing well, and then defenses, I mean,
Speaker 1: they look okay if you look at the Statueets the
Speaker 1: Patriots defense, but to me, they're just they're just like
Speaker 1: they can't make up for a pretty boring offense. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw this last week against the Jets, and Pets
Speaker 1: it very little on offense. And in this game, there
Speaker 1: was some Sean Payton history greg two and fifty two
Speaker 1: totally yards for the Saints, the fewest in a road
Speaker 1: win in the Payton Era for New Orleans. So the
Speaker 1: Pats defense see that that's true. And it's the third
Speaker 1: straight week that that Saints have had a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards are less passing, which is like, whoa, it's tough.
Speaker 1: They had only had an under in ten yards net
Speaker 1: today and Jamis Winston had two touchdown throws, one of
Speaker 1: which was a play he tried to throw out of
Speaker 1: the end zone and he was hit and it turned
Speaker 1: into a Jamis Winston pop up, but Marcus Callaway comes
Speaker 1: down with the ball. It was that kind of day. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know for for the Saints, they got a couple breaks,
Speaker 1: but you can't. I don't think you can keep winning
Speaker 1: that way. Yet when it really came down to it,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me a lot of Week one, Dan
Speaker 1: was the Patriots defense got on the field at the
Speaker 1: end of the game with a chance to get the
Speaker 1: ball back one possession and give it to their offense,
Speaker 1: and what do they do. That's the moment that the
Speaker 1: Saints marched down for a thirteen play seventy five yards uh,
Speaker 1: seventy five yard touchdown drive, you know, capped by that
Speaker 1: taste and play. It included a third and seven early
Speaker 1: in the drive where Jamis was protected perfectly. So when
Speaker 1: it really came down to the Patriots defense, like didn't
Speaker 1: make a game changing type of play. They couldn't get
Speaker 1: a stop, all right, And I guess that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just need more balance and the offense is just
Speaker 1: not there yet. And I guess we haven't had any
Speaker 1: interceptions by Mac Jones before this game. He was very clean,
Speaker 1: notoriously um, notoriously clean. He was in the preseason slate
Speaker 1: when we were just going nuts about that. Um uh,
Speaker 1: were you concerned at all by his playing this game,
Speaker 1: or is he just put in tough situations leading I
Speaker 1: thought he played better than the Jets game. He didn't
Speaker 1: get much help. But the thing I'm concerned about is
Speaker 1: they tried to go deep. You know how all week
Speaker 1: everyone's like they're not going to go to two of
Speaker 1: the first three plays of the game deep deep. He
Speaker 1: must have thrown a lot of shots downfield in this game.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the number is, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. Seven eight nine, and he couldn't hit any
Speaker 1: of them, so that that's a little bit of a concern.
Speaker 1: The three interceptions, one came out of ball where he's
Speaker 1: sitting standing in the pocket a little too tall, kind
Speaker 1: of like Cam Newton gets hit while he throws. One
Speaker 1: was the last play of the game, uh, and another
Speaker 1: was just on a drop by John new Smith. So
Speaker 1: only one of those was really on Mac Jones. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a lot on John new Smith. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's one of the worst games you've ever seen. Four drops,
Speaker 1: four drops, one killed the drive, one turned into a
Speaker 1: uh almost the pick six, and uh Nelson Aguilar and
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith combined for fourteen targets in twenty one yard.
Speaker 1: So all these off season additions that they did on offense,
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry hasn't done much Like it's that part's not
Speaker 1: working right now. Yeah, I mean it is reminded it's
Speaker 1: still early, but how much was made of all the
Speaker 1: money they gave those two tight ends and what have
Speaker 1: they given them through three weeks. They'll get better. I
Speaker 1: do think they're a team that will improve as the
Speaker 1: season gets along. But I think they lost James white
Speaker 1: Um to a hip injury which could be a long
Speaker 1: term injury by the sound carded and immediately ruled out,
Speaker 1: never a good sign. The Patriots lost each of their
Speaker 1: first two home games for the first time since two thousand,
Speaker 1: Belichick's first season five and eleven. And I will just
Speaker 1: say this, and now by now Tom Brady enters for
Speaker 1: his first game, it's it's almost uh what is the
Speaker 1: word I'm looking for. It's almost too uh symbolic or
Speaker 1: it's too perfect. That the last time they were in
Speaker 1: a funk like this in their building was right before
Speaker 1: he came, and now they're back in this place as
Speaker 1: he returns. Oh, Greggy, if my team wasn't so miserable,
Speaker 1: I'd be really imploying this. Uh there. They are very
Speaker 1: much another team, and you know maybe the last time
Speaker 1: they were like this was Onto since the Onto Cincinnati
Speaker 1: week where they were one two and everyone got crazy
Speaker 1: and they went on to win the Super Bowl. The
Speaker 1: difference is they don't have Tom Brady on their team anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, when they're playing in Foxborough, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the other team. So you don't get the feel
Speaker 1: that they could bounce back like that. I do think
Speaker 1: they can bounce back somewhat. Two things. The AF the East,
Speaker 1: which we were honking a lot about entering this season,
Speaker 1: is not looking so hot right now outside of Buffalo
Speaker 1: and uh to the first round. Quarterbacks are really struggling. Um,
Speaker 1: pretty much across the board unless I'm missing someone, but
Speaker 1: Mac Jones had a tough time of it. Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: is really struggling. Trevor Lawrence is, you know, making big
Speaker 1: mistakes week after week after week justin fields. We will
Speaker 1: get to that. Um, this is what I get for
Speaker 1: like investing in the preseason. I had this whole idea
Speaker 1: in my heart, like I don't know, West has gone,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like really try to like love football and
Speaker 1: like really really focus have like a good season personally,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna really like I'm gonna like watch all
Speaker 1: these preseason games. I'm gonna take all these notes like
Speaker 1: none of that anything seriously from the preseason I can.
Speaker 1: I have thought about this a lot the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, Like almost everything I said about anything that
Speaker 1: happened in the preseason has almost gotten the opposite way
Speaker 1: of what the regular It's almost like you're doing your
Speaker 1: job in a hyper professional way actually hurt. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Next year, remind remind us all just let's
Speaker 1: not put it much on any of it. Um. Alright,
Speaker 1: we'll recap the Vikings performance against the Seahawks with Nick Shook.
Speaker 1: Right after this Seattle blitzes again, Kirk steps up with
Speaker 1: this four touchdown this season lead just seventeen Cousins ceiling.
Speaker 1: The Vikings needed a big week. Vikings fans needed a
Speaker 1: big week. Paul Allen, Let's be honest, he needed a
Speaker 1: big week, Cafe and they all got at Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: through three touchdown passes before halftime, including that hook up
Speaker 1: with Adam Feeling, and then did great clock management on
Speaker 1: field goal drives in the second half to help close
Speaker 1: out a thirty seventeen win over the Seahawks, the first
Speaker 1: one of the season for the Vikings that first went
Speaker 1: over the Seahawks in twelve years. Yes, Nick Shook now
Speaker 1: joins us and Shook always be wary of the wounded
Speaker 1: animal team, but winning without Dalvin Cook made this even
Speaker 1: more impressive. Yeah, let's give a tip of the hat
Speaker 1: to Alexander Masson. Why don't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: who needs I'm just kidding it. We definitely need you
Speaker 1: definitely need Dalvin Cook in Minnesota, But I mean carries
Speaker 1: for a hundred and twelve yards, pretty solid day. And
Speaker 1: what was most important about that, in my opinion, was
Speaker 1: it gave them the balance they needed to effectively execute
Speaker 1: their offense because the number one threat for that offense
Speaker 1: when Cook is out there is Cook. And if you
Speaker 1: don't have him, well, let's focus on stopping the past.
Speaker 1: Psych You got Madison instead. Her Cousins sych back like
Speaker 1: it's been a solid twenty years. It's it's time a
Speaker 1: little So, yeah, it works out, But what's going on
Speaker 1: Chook with Kirk Cousins, Because I know he's everybody's favorite
Speaker 1: punching bag. And here we are a week after week.
Speaker 1: Now on these Sundays, you look up and he's playing
Speaker 1: mistake freeball. He's airing it out, he's throwing a bunch
Speaker 1: of touchdown passes. Now they get a win out of it.
Speaker 1: This team could easily be three and oh, And if
Speaker 1: they were, it would be a huge story because Cousins
Speaker 1: has been playing some of the best ball of his career.
Speaker 1: I know, he's been playing like they are three and oh.
Speaker 1: I mean statistically, Um, you know, he leads the league
Speaker 1: in in like, for example, passes of ten plus air yards.
Speaker 1: Nobody's got a more pascerating in an instance than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: Think about that. He hasn't thrown an interception. He's playing
Speaker 1: great football. It's just a matter of They lost a
Speaker 1: close one and overtime to the Bengals because of a
Speaker 1: fumble that you know could have or didn't end up
Speaker 1: going their way, but could have potentially gone their way
Speaker 1: at the end of the Bengals game. Then they lose
Speaker 1: because Greg Joseph can't make a game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: I mean, this team, I was thinking about it today
Speaker 1: before they won. This might be one of the best. Oh,
Speaker 1: and two teams. Granted, you know I've ever seen a
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I think he's played great. I think
Speaker 1: k j Osborne, I know, only had two catches today,
Speaker 1: but they were big catches. He's been like a third down,
Speaker 1: third down conversion machine. He's given them a little something
Speaker 1: that you didn't expect. Conklin goes seven for seventy as
Speaker 1: their tight end today with with a touchdown. And then
Speaker 1: I what I want to ask you, because he watched
Speaker 1: this closely, was man like Gary Kubiak. He's now in
Speaker 1: year two only of being the solo coordinator there. And
Speaker 1: I thought that running game last week like was like
Speaker 1: vintage Kubiak type of running. And they dominated that game
Speaker 1: against Arizona. Did you see the same thing in Seattle
Speaker 1: was supposed to have a pretty good you know front,
Speaker 1: uh in terms of stop in the run. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they ran a kind of at will almost. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you had changed Jersey numbers and told me that,
Speaker 1: you know, Madison was wearing thirty three, and but you
Speaker 1: told me that was Dalvin Cook, I would have believed
Speaker 1: you on some place. And he had three carries of
Speaker 1: ten or more yards. I mean, so they were ripping
Speaker 1: off some runs in between there and he did his
Speaker 1: job definitely, And you're right, it was like a vintage
Speaker 1: zone scheme or they pounded and then they catch good
Speaker 1: offensive team. Yeah they are, and they were today on
Speaker 1: the Seahawks side of things. How concerned are you now?
Speaker 1: They they You know, they got the Cults in Week one,
Speaker 1: and we knew that was a Cults team that had
Speaker 1: all sorts of issues, but they got the road victory.
Speaker 1: But now back to back weeks they've given up thirty points. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's just that's not going to be good enough,
Speaker 1: especially that's type of ball they like to play on offense.
Speaker 1: What are you seeing with their defense? What's not working?
Speaker 1: I mean today it was all about the short game.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins didn't have a single pass, a single deep
Speaker 1: pass attempt in the entire game, like according to next
Speaker 1: Gen stats, not one, and ended up storing for three
Speaker 1: yards without doing that. So they have to be better underneath.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the way they played Jamal Adams
Speaker 1: necessarily helps them. They love to bring him up on
Speaker 1: the line and send pressure and everything else. I'm all,
Speaker 1: I'm all in favor of having a box safety, but
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily all about bringing my safety up to
Speaker 1: the line as frequently as they do, because it does
Speaker 1: leave you a little susceptible to rely on other guys
Speaker 1: and then get that underneath stuff taken care of. But
Speaker 1: my biggest concern with them isn't even defensively. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that they can't score any points in the second half.
Speaker 1: They scored uh six points in the second half last
Speaker 1: week and ended up losing that game to Tennessee. They
Speaker 1: scored zero points in the second half this week end
Speaker 1: up losing this game by thirteen. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a matter of our other teams making good halftime adjustments,
Speaker 1: so you them and they're just not responding, or just
Speaker 1: can they just not figure out who they want to be.
Speaker 1: It reminds you of that offensive struggle period that they
Speaker 1: went through down the stretch last year where the couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out who they wanted to be. That's what they
Speaker 1: look like in the second half of these last week.
Speaker 1: In defense of like Russell Wilson and you know, Sean Walgent,
Speaker 1: they really only had three drives in the second half.
Speaker 1: Now you went punt punt and downs, but their defense
Speaker 1: not getting off the field back to back weeks and
Speaker 1: giving up these long drives and kind of being run over.
Speaker 1: At one point in this game that the Vikings drives
Speaker 1: were nine for a touchdown, twelve for sixty six in
Speaker 1: a touchdown, sixteen for fifty that is some old school stuff,
Speaker 1: eleven for seventy, and then twelve eight, So that's like
Speaker 1: five straight drives where you you're a Seahawks defense, you
Speaker 1: just can't get on the off the field and I'm
Speaker 1: sick of banging this same drum. But they've been a
Speaker 1: mediocre defense for about five six years now and it
Speaker 1: feels like it's getting a little worse, not not getting better.
Speaker 1: And the Adams point you made show because really interesting
Speaker 1: because we know what he's about. We know he's not
Speaker 1: a coverage guy. That's he has two interceptions his entire career,
Speaker 1: but you just gave him all the money in the world,
Speaker 1: so it's like you have to use them to what
Speaker 1: he does best. But if that's not exactly helping your defense,
Speaker 1: you're kind of caught in between. That's an interesting point
Speaker 1: you made. Well, yeah, and they redirected a lot of
Speaker 1: their money to paying him and they haven't really spent
Speaker 1: a lot of money in other areas, and I think
Speaker 1: it's starting to show, as you know, as in whole.
Speaker 1: I mean the nine for fourteen on on third down
Speaker 1: Minnesota West today, that's not acceptable for you to try
Speaker 1: to be able to come back. I mean, we went
Speaker 1: to half time with a seventeen to seven lead, couldn't
Speaker 1: put any points on the board, couldn't really get the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, Greg, you talked about that. I think three
Speaker 1: of those possessions they had two or three of them
Speaker 1: five plays in total. I mean, you're right, they're not
Speaker 1: giving their offense any chances. And when they did have
Speaker 1: the ball and weren't doing much either, they got the
Speaker 1: forty niners and the Rams. Next Seahawks, Twitter is going
Speaker 1: to be on or oh yeah, yeah, we might have
Speaker 1: to get our friend on from the Athletic again to
Speaker 1: check in on the Seahawks world because it seems like
Speaker 1: a chaotic place. All right, let's head on now. Shook
Speaker 1: to a a f C South showdown Tannahill looking we
Speaker 1: are in complete to McNichols at the five, did it
Speaker 1: get in? Yes, he did, Jeremy McNichols, I mean, how
Speaker 1: come my voice is going and Mike Keith can do that,
Speaker 1: He's fine. W g F X Ryan tann Hill through
Speaker 1: for a d ninety seven yards of three touchdowns, including
Speaker 1: that hooked up with McNichols, leading the Titans to win
Speaker 1: over the free Fall Colts in Nashville. Shook Um tell
Speaker 1: us how the Titans smiled as they put a nail
Speaker 1: into the coffin of the Cults season maybe the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't say final nail. I said, and
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin. You need like ten nails. There's
Speaker 1: about six or seven in there now, nails and coffins anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the dirt would take
Speaker 1: care of it. Well. Then the nail in this game
Speaker 1: was a miss Rodrigo blanket ship field goal. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were, they were. It was kind of like it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite a sad field goal, but they still
Speaker 1: need to get the ball back again to be able
Speaker 1: to have a chance to go ahead. And then he
Speaker 1: just misses it, and he was like, well, that's that,
Speaker 1: like time to get out of here, because they can't
Speaker 1: even make the field goal when they're down by nine points.
Speaker 1: But um, I mean, if you want to look at
Speaker 1: somebody who symbolizes a nail on their cough, and yeah,
Speaker 1: a nail on their cough. At this point the season,
Speaker 1: it's Carson Wentz, the guy cannot move. He's playing with
Speaker 1: massively taped ankles. Not the Ben Roethlisberger oversized shoe, but
Speaker 1: it looks kind of similar, and he just simply could
Speaker 1: not move to the point where it was obvious that
Speaker 1: he knew he couldn't move. There were a few times
Speaker 1: where he could have evaded pressure if he were healthy,
Speaker 1: and instead he just throws the ball directly into the ground. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then at one point he tried to scramble for
Speaker 1: a conversion on third down, and he thought about scrambling,
Speaker 1: got about two steps up in the pocket, and then realized,
Speaker 1: oh wait, I can't run right now, and out of
Speaker 1: the corner of his eyes saw Nahem Hinds over in
Speaker 1: the flat tried to backhand pitch the ball to him
Speaker 1: and didn't even come close. And it was just like,
Speaker 1: this is what they're working with right now. This just
Speaker 1: feels like roster mismanagement from the Cults, because as banged
Speaker 1: up as Wentz is, you would think there's got to
Speaker 1: be someone that gives them a better chance to in
Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem like their quarterback room is built
Speaker 1: that way between Brett Hunley and Jacob Eason. So it's
Speaker 1: it's send Wentz out there, and he's just lucky to
Speaker 1: get out of this game with another injury. We don't
Speaker 1: even know that they're leaving him to be feasted upon.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tennessee pinned their ears back. Harold Andry had
Speaker 1: a career high twelve quarterback pressures today. Um, I mean
Speaker 1: it was it was. You know, he's still through for yards,
Speaker 1: but it was all in the short game. And the
Speaker 1: thing that I really hold against the Colts more than anything,
Speaker 1: and partially, you know, this isn't entirely their fault, but
Speaker 1: they show that they can move the ball with a
Speaker 1: quick game, whether it's just dumping it, offering screens, that
Speaker 1: type of thing. They just didn't stick with it and
Speaker 1: and tried to push the ball down the field late.
Speaker 1: And that was before they were even down by nine points.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you have a guy who can't move,
Speaker 1: who's clearly not super confident on the messed up ankles
Speaker 1: that he's playing on, Uh, the last thing you want
Speaker 1: to do is give the defense more time to get
Speaker 1: after him and not get the ball out quicker. So um,
Speaker 1: I thought schematically they kind of failed in the second
Speaker 1: half because I mean it was a close game until
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and that's really when it felt part
Speaker 1: that they might take it easy on Henry just he's
Speaker 1: a little bit after forty one touches last week, because
Speaker 1: for thirty one, he really does break every rule there
Speaker 1: is about running backs. It's just kind of amazing. And
Speaker 1: Tennessee has to be love in life right now. I
Speaker 1: know this is a home game, so you want to
Speaker 1: like kind of knocked that one out and beat the Colts.
Speaker 1: But man, just looking at that division, they should feel
Speaker 1: pretty good. At two and one, it might not take
Speaker 1: that many wins to win this division, and especially with
Speaker 1: the way that the Colts have started this season the
Speaker 1: way they look so far, even in the close games,
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to pull it out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and you would think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, it's the sixth or seventh nail that they
Speaker 1: got to put in the Coffin sixth or seventh, they've
Speaker 1: only played three games games some of them were two
Speaker 1: nail games. And now I look at their schedule at
Speaker 1: Miami at Ravens Home Texans at nine or so, they're
Speaker 1: on the road for three of the next four weeks.
Speaker 1: There's still all sorts of messed up on offense and
Speaker 1: banged out, banged up. And that's why, that's why Greg,
Speaker 1: you and I both locked up the Titans here, so
Speaker 1: big w for both of us. How about Dan's having
Speaker 1: fun because I for some reason switched switched the locker
Speaker 1: last minute to a loss, because you know, because you
Speaker 1: really got to be worried when when you can get
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz but like make them not mobile, that's what
Speaker 1: you really got to be worried about and change change
Speaker 1: your pick. You know, like a week right that you've
Speaker 1: you've switched out of a winner, tore on switching out
Speaker 1: of winners the losers. So I deserve it, it's all,
Speaker 1: you know, you all you wanted it all to happen
Speaker 1: in the same samee. Well you got to save that
Speaker 1: for for the next tweet to use it because it
Speaker 1: was almost like, yeah, we're talking about nails in your coffee.
Speaker 1: It's nails. The nails are are in my back. Uh.
Speaker 1: Shook one more game and it was a great one
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Good snap, good hole, shock pot baby. The
Speaker 1: writers become the first team in history of the NFL
Speaker 1: don't win their first three games against teams at all
Speaker 1: one at least ten games a previous season. Whoa that
Speaker 1: calls burn bongos say, I like when the strings come
Speaker 1: in there, it's just a banger. Yes, the Raiders did
Speaker 1: it again. They're three and oh they very nearly let
Speaker 1: this one slip away. Jake Brisket when the gutsy scramble
Speaker 1: with seconds to play and then converts the two point
Speaker 1: conversion to Will Fuller for US. Over time they trade
Speaker 1: field goals, but shook Derek Carr as he's been doing
Speaker 1: all season, just making money throws in the biggest moments,
Speaker 1: and that gorgeous shot to Edwards that's set up the
Speaker 1: game winner was one of the best throws of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Derek Carr is on fire. There was only
Speaker 1: one mistaking this entire afternoon, which is an ill advised
Speaker 1: throw into the hands of Eland and Roberts, who took
Speaker 1: it back for a pick six. Other than that, he was,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty precise for most of the game. And
Speaker 1: the thing you really have to like about his development,
Speaker 1: I think from last year to this year is taking
Speaker 1: with the defense is giving him picking apart defenses and
Speaker 1: spreading the ball around the field as a result. I
Speaker 1: know they spent a first round pick on Henry Rugs
Speaker 1: and he is getting more involved. You know, he had
Speaker 1: that touchdown pass a reception last week, and he did
Speaker 1: have four catches or seventy eight yards today. But he's
Speaker 1: not just relying on him or just relying on Darren Waller.
Speaker 1: He's throwing everybody. He threw a touchdown past to alec
Speaker 1: Ingold today who that was his reward for saving them
Speaker 1: from fumbling away a red zone opportunity on the previous play.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced, you know, they were just like a dialing
Speaker 1: up fringle and he just bailed us out, dump it off, touchdown.
Speaker 1: This was the best game of the day. I think
Speaker 1: this is a great football game. These teams only play classics.
Speaker 1: We can only think of three. This one, the Sea
Speaker 1: of Hands game, Remember the Sea of Hands game. We
Speaker 1: weren't born yet, but it's a classic. And then the
Speaker 1: fits Pat Trick game of course at the end of
Speaker 1: last year that ended the radio season. I mean Jake Briskett,
Speaker 1: you know, through forty nine times for two and fifty yards,
Speaker 1: like some of these four yards attempt some of these
Speaker 1: reception numbers like Waddle twelve. It's a little wild. But
Speaker 1: when Puss game to shop, he had a fourth and
Speaker 1: nine where he had to fit it into a mail slot.
Speaker 1: Got it. Fourth and twenty with the game on the
Speaker 1: line and overtime on the run, got it. So he
Speaker 1: added a lot of value, a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: don't know, if I don't know, if to point no,
Speaker 1: who would love to have Jake Brisket right now? The
Speaker 1: team that originally had him Occults? How about the Patriots? No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mac Chus is good. I've kidded about
Speaker 1: that seriously, Like this is the Dolphins you could get
Speaker 1: if you're a Dolphins fan. Even though they fought back
Speaker 1: here and this was a nice comeback. You're one and
Speaker 1: two and you're disappointed with the start of the season.
Speaker 1: The one thing that they've been smart enough to do,
Speaker 1: and other teams after your aren't. As we need to
Speaker 1: get a dependable backup in the building, Ryan Fitzpatrick the
Speaker 1: last couple of years, Jake Brisket. Now these guys are
Speaker 1: not stars, but their hold the ford guys that can
Speaker 1: save your butt if your starter goes down and that's
Speaker 1: what nearly happened today. Yeah, and you know, you have
Speaker 1: to be encouraged by that because, I mean, they got
Speaker 1: their doors blown off last week, and yet they come
Speaker 1: back and play against a team that's on fire. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know it's only three games, but the Raiders are
Speaker 1: playing good football. Um, even their defense has really come around. You.
Speaker 1: We also we already know about the front four and
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do in getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So statistically, if you looked at it on paper going
Speaker 1: into this game, you're thinking, man, this is a terrible
Speaker 1: situation for Brissette to walk into. And yet Jake Brisket
Speaker 1: avoiding pressure, stepping up in the pocket, extending plays, scrambling
Speaker 1: and put against body on the line with two seconds
Speaker 1: left in the game, and then converting the two point conversion.
Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, it was that you're handed
Speaker 1: a lot of points. It was like a short field.
Speaker 1: It was it was a pick six. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Brisket also made the history books by being the first
Speaker 1: quarterback to complete a pass for a safety. So that
Speaker 1: was pretty Yea, that was a bad, bad situation by everyone,
Speaker 1: and this offense is just good. I mean, Peyton Barber
Speaker 1: goes for a hundred and eleven yards on four point
Speaker 1: eight yards per carry. No Josh Jacobs again here. Kenyan
Speaker 1: Drake also in the mix obviously there but the past
Speaker 1: catchers with car playing at this level. Brian Edwards is
Speaker 1: a player. Henry Ruggs a couple more great catches today.
Speaker 1: He really is blossoming. Hunter Renfro third and Renfro Darren
Speaker 1: Waller of course has been maybe a little quiet after
Speaker 1: the last after the Week one explosion, but that's a
Speaker 1: that's a great four pack. I mean, Ruggs had a
Speaker 1: play early where he looked like the error that you
Speaker 1: sometimes got in Tech Mobile where the guy just flies
Speaker 1: off the top of the screen. There was like a
Speaker 1: special way you could get that to happen, and that
Speaker 1: was like Rugs, My god, they should just throw like
Speaker 1: alley oops to Ruggs because just because it was fun
Speaker 1: to watch. He has to have one of the highest
Speaker 1: vertical verticals in the league. And then Renfro had one
Speaker 1: play where he did like a quadruple move and literally
Speaker 1: spun around Xavian Howard and all pro like a top
Speaker 1: these Raiders are they're balling. Yeah, Renfro had a great
Speaker 1: catch and we talk about third Renfro. It was second
Speaker 1: in Renfro at least once today a fantastic catching the sideline.
Speaker 1: It basically put me in this moment where I was like,
Speaker 1: who is his comparison like, because he's short, you know,
Speaker 1: he's the the gritty receiver whatever you wanna call him.
Speaker 1: And I want to say he's like maybe a welker,
Speaker 1: but he's not that type of athlete necessarily, but he
Speaker 1: is a guy that you can depend on to make
Speaker 1: those catches over and over again. And it's fun to
Speaker 1: see how car involves him but really involves everybody. They're
Speaker 1: just a really fun offense to watch. Overall. They're now
Speaker 1: a team that I look forward to watching on a
Speaker 1: week to week basis. Shook your live via satellite from
Speaker 1: Cleveland in your home office, and I'm looking right now
Speaker 1: behind you over your left shoulder. It's the NFL helmet
Speaker 1: with the big shield logo that you only get at
Speaker 1: the NFL if you leave the company. And then they
Speaker 1: put the helmet on the table in the newsroom and
Speaker 1: they say, everybody sign it wish Nick Well, of course,
Speaker 1: shook Ee went to the Browns and then came back,
Speaker 1: so Shook managed Greg to really pull something off here.
Speaker 1: He got the helmet where everyone said, you know, you're
Speaker 1: an amazing guy, best double luck to you, kept the helmet,
Speaker 1: has it on display, left the company, and then came back.
Speaker 1: It's it's having your cake and eat it too, right,
Speaker 1: It's like he's like double dipping somehow. He's probably still
Speaker 1: getting paid by the Browns like all the other ex coaches.
Speaker 1: They have maybe much money there with the Browns. We
Speaker 1: know that was a mysterious exit. You know, you know
Speaker 1: if I if I hung around there long enough, my
Speaker 1: first stint there and have two of those helmets at
Speaker 1: this point, I mean, you're living the dream like you left,
Speaker 1: but you're still on this podcast. So it's perfect like
Speaker 1: you got you got, you got your cake and you're
Speaker 1: eating it too. You know it worked out. You don't
Speaker 1: have to come up to the studio. You're just at
Speaker 1: home and Gregg, you don't. I don't even need to ask.
Speaker 1: We know there was no goodbye from the Brown's helmet.
Speaker 1: Just put it that way. It was well one day
Speaker 1: shot up that just a key card didn't work pretty much.
Speaker 1: You will see you in a week when you're covering
Speaker 1: us for somebody else. By the way, one more game
Speaker 1: was shooke. I misspoken, and that's a great thing because
Speaker 1: I can't speak. Head to Pittsburgh. Joe and the gun
Speaker 1: catches the snap fakes the p rhyan Row said high
Speaker 1: and deep down the left s Chase hasn't in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Touchdown, mangals. What a throw by Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: to Jamaar Chase, who extended his arms and reeled it
Speaker 1: in for the thirty four yard score. It's like he's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of that lock. I gotta get
Speaker 1: over to the ben Rothelsburger Steelers and two things. I
Speaker 1: had a good day with picks too. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what happened, Dan Hard and Dave Lapham w c
Speaker 1: k y. Joe Burrow through for buck seventy eight, but
Speaker 1: with three touchdowns, including two more strikes to Jamaar Chase. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's working out. Speaking of stupid summer storylines, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: can catch, and he catches a lot of balls in
Speaker 1: the end zone. Bengals are now two and one after
Speaker 1: over the Steelers shook. We knew Pittsburgh was up against it,
Speaker 1: potentially without t J. Watt, their most important player. How
Speaker 1: big a difference did it make in this game? Massive?
Speaker 1: They recorded one pressure the entire game, their lowest pressure
Speaker 1: presentage pressure output in the next Gen stats era. The Steelers,
Speaker 1: I mean they they Joe Burrow had all time, all
Speaker 1: day to throw. H there was one play in which
Speaker 1: he actually was hit, and it was very questionable roughing
Speaker 1: the passer call which actually set up the first touchdown
Speaker 1: pass to Jamar Chase just before halftime. Basically it was
Speaker 1: a matter of Burrow could pick apart the defense to
Speaker 1: a degree, uh and kind of just work with whatever
Speaker 1: he had, and the Steelers, knowing that the Steelers couldn't
Speaker 1: move the ball quickly at all, that they could just
Speaker 1: kind of take their time. But I mean the second
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Jamar Chase, he again had all data throw,
Speaker 1: was able to roll out right, wait for Jamaar Chase
Speaker 1: to break officer oute, come back over into the middle,
Speaker 1: wide open portion of the end zone, just throw it
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, it made it look easy. It
Speaker 1: was at one point a commanding lead, if not bordering
Speaker 1: on a blowout before things kind of settled down to
Speaker 1: this final score that you see here. Uh. I think
Speaker 1: if you're a Steeler fan, you're stunned. Maybe not because
Speaker 1: of you know, considering who you didn't have on defense,
Speaker 1: but if you're a Bengals fan, you gotta be riding
Speaker 1: high man. This is a team that won the division
Speaker 1: last year. This is a statement win for your young Bengals.
Speaker 1: I mean, it will never get old beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: If you're a Bengals fan, or a Browns fan or
Speaker 1: a Ravens fan. That's just how this division goes. And
Speaker 1: teams are gonna be lining up to kick the Steelers
Speaker 1: when you're down. I know I didn't watch this game closely,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I think the box score can tell you
Speaker 1: a story. And the story here is that Naj Harris
Speaker 1: got more targets as a running back than any running
Speaker 1: back in history, I think again in the next gen
Speaker 1: stats era. And that's like that tells you about their offense.
Speaker 1: Because the Steelers had thirty five more plays than the Bengals,
Speaker 1: which is usually a good thing, you know, in many
Speaker 1: more yards. But the Bengals were able to hit some
Speaker 1: big plays, whereas Nick, the Steelers are going on like
Speaker 1: seven eight minute long field goal drive when they're behind.
Speaker 1: And so to me, that tell me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling that is the box score
Speaker 1: kind of telling you the story of the difference between
Speaker 1: these teams. Yeah, it absolutely did. I mean the Steelers
Speaker 1: only scoring drive but produced a touchdown the entire afternoon,
Speaker 1: eight minutes and thirty two seconds, fifteen plays to cover
Speaker 1: ninety yards. Get this, Greg, They went no huddle on
Speaker 1: a few of those plays in that and it still
Speaker 1: took that long. And they have explosive players. I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to point out by the way, it's not
Speaker 1: just what, it's what it's to it who's probably their
Speaker 1: next best player? And Lulu and Highsmith that is four
Speaker 1: of your top six, you know, front line players. So
Speaker 1: it's on defense that that helps explain it. It is
Speaker 1: the with the Steelers offense, and it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to make it two on the nose
Speaker 1: and connecting the things. But it felt that way last
Speaker 1: year with them down the stretch where the field felt
Speaker 1: like it was a hundred and twenty yards and they
Speaker 1: would going uphill both ways. And here we are again.
Speaker 1: Jud Smith Schuster went out with an injury in this game.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make things any easier for Big Ben, but
Speaker 1: it just seems like to me that the Steelers are
Speaker 1: a a full step and maybe two below the actual
Speaker 1: contenders in this league and be their only chance to
Speaker 1: have a successful season i e. Playoffs, as if the
Speaker 1: defense dominates because the offense. I don't just I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna flip a switch. I think this is
Speaker 1: might be who they are as a team, and that
Speaker 1: that's not a very optimistic viewpoint. But I feel like
Speaker 1: we're starting to get a handle on this team a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, and it's becoming a recurring theme. It
Speaker 1: starts with the offensive line, the fact that they've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of new guys up there and they're still
Speaker 1: just not playing effectively enough to really help that offense
Speaker 1: move now. Really, it shows up in the run game
Speaker 1: more than anything, when you try to hand the ball
Speaker 1: to Nigi Harris and he consistently has nowhere to run
Speaker 1: or very little space to run, and then it comes
Speaker 1: down to the Steelers trying to force feed him the
Speaker 1: ball through the air because they want to get him
Speaker 1: involved and they want to get the return on their
Speaker 1: first round pick, while also we all realize that they
Speaker 1: didn't spend that pick on a quality lineman that they
Speaker 1: might have been able to use that at this point
Speaker 1: now instead of you know, finding a replacement level are
Speaker 1: better running back, instead of spending a first round pick
Speaker 1: on Nagy Harris. I mean, it's just they're stuck in
Speaker 1: the mud. They're they're trying to do too many things.
Speaker 1: None of it's working because they can't really protect all
Speaker 1: that well. And they I mean, the Bengels defense surprisingly
Speaker 1: got after a little bit today. They've been good all
Speaker 1: three weeks and they've they've got a home TNF game.
Speaker 1: You know, it's big time when Colleen wolf Is head
Speaker 1: into your town and it's against the Jaguars. You can
Speaker 1: get the three and one here, Cincinnati have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a moment, and then you're you got the
Speaker 1: Packers in next Okay, that's tough, But then you got
Speaker 1: the Lions, Like they got a chance here to have
Speaker 1: like a nice little four and two type of star. Right.
Speaker 1: Let be Cincinnati beyond the fringes of the playoff race
Speaker 1: by Thanksgiving. I mean, any Cincinnati fan would sign up
Speaker 1: for that. So they have that in front of them
Speaker 1: to get set up well. And I think just in general,
Speaker 1: if you're a Bengals fan, a lot of optimism after
Speaker 1: Week one, and then everything felt like in Week two
Speaker 1: that it might have been going down the path of
Speaker 1: what's been too familiar um over the last few years.
Speaker 1: And now you get this win and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're like, Okay, maybe we're making progress here, Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Zach Taylor is getting through to these guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's something cooking here. So we'll see if Cincinnati could
Speaker 1: build on this. And the Steelers are a team to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on here, because you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about it all through the off season that they felt
Speaker 1: like they had the biggest disparity potentially between ceiling and floor,
Speaker 1: and right now it is not trending well, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that they went on the road in week one
Speaker 1: beat the Bills. But look where they are now, Shook
Speaker 1: A Look where you are now? Yeah, high ceiling, high floor,
Speaker 1: high motor. And the top of your head is pretty
Speaker 1: high too. It's like it goes to a nice it's
Speaker 1: very high in the screen. Yeah, let me lean back
Speaker 1: a little bit here about that high here. Somebody said
Speaker 1: I saw somebody on Twitter a few weeks back that
Speaker 1: was like Dan talks about Shook's head and baldness too
Speaker 1: much it's it's not nice, and I never thought it
Speaker 1: to be a thing where I was being mean or anything.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to just stay away from the commentary
Speaker 1: on your head. I think you did a nice job
Speaker 1: with the decisions you made, uh, and people should to
Speaker 1: read into it anything else other than that one of
Speaker 1: the decisions I made today shaving my head. There you go.
Speaker 1: I mean, bald is beautiful and I enjoy being bald,
Speaker 1: so it's never. It's never a beautiful job, Nikki Shook,
Speaker 1: and you are a life saving for us every Sunday,
Speaker 1: but especially this one. There goes Shook back into the
Speaker 1: Cleveland night. And up next the Jets. Right after this
Speaker 1: break double tight end set plus a fullback on first goal,
Speaker 1: the one they handed off running left side, Gordon hit
Speaker 1: and run, store a tackle and presses into the end zone,
Speaker 1: but they did for a touchdown. Well. The highlight is
Speaker 1: that the Broncos had two one yard touchdowns, a bunch
Speaker 1: of field goals, and the Jets in and score. So
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? David Logan with the call
Speaker 1: ko A. The Broncos continue to feast on the top
Speaker 1: of the draft class. One week after shutting down Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence Dever picked up Zack Wilson twice in zip shut
Speaker 1: out over the Jet at Mile High. The Broncos are
Speaker 1: three and oh for the first time since two thousand fifteen.
Speaker 1: Their opponents this season or combined oh and nine, but
Speaker 1: hey call a player schedule. The Jets provided zero resistance
Speaker 1: in this one. Greg and I tweeted about it, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I tweet from my feelings about being a Jet fan,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if there could be pushed back, but
Speaker 1: I don't care because I'm just angry about it. Um,
Speaker 1: Jets fans were not looking for any Cinderella playoff run
Speaker 1: this season. We take it, but that's not what you're
Speaker 1: looking for. You just want something to look forward to
Speaker 1: on Sundays. You want to have some whiff of progress,
Speaker 1: just the idea that there's maybe some hope. But this organization,
Speaker 1: it's such a low bar. It's just above the floor
Speaker 1: and they can't clear it. It's really just they did
Speaker 1: not put up any type of fight against the Broncos.
Speaker 1: And I give the Broncos credit. They executed there in
Speaker 1: their building. They're feeling good about themselves, So I don't
Speaker 1: want to make this a Jets conversation, but it's hard
Speaker 1: not to because the Jet are not competing and any
Speaker 1: team in the league was gonna beat the Jets. The
Speaker 1: Broncos were just lucky enough today to have them on
Speaker 1: the schedule. Yeah, through three weeks, they've got a pretty
Speaker 1: strong argument for the worst team in the league along
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars, because they haven't really been competitive in
Speaker 1: any of the three games. Um, they had a moment,
Speaker 1: I guess in Carolina late work, but really they're they're
Speaker 1: pretty outplayed. I'm not surprised with this Broncos defense, but
Speaker 1: it just shows you like they're down some players, and um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I think the whole season
Speaker 1: is about Zack Wilson's development, and he got a tough draw.
Speaker 1: We didn't know how good that Panthers defense is gonna be,
Speaker 1: but it looks pretty good. I think you got a
Speaker 1: tough draw with these first three games, and you're just hoping,
Speaker 1: uh for some progress. And if you're Denver, like like
Speaker 1: I said that, you're leading the league in point differential
Speaker 1: right now. Yet. Yes, um, they've they've played bad teams,
Speaker 1: but stomping bad teams, according to Football Outsiders, is literally
Speaker 1: the most predictive thing you can do to like to
Speaker 1: make the super Bowl. Like that is. The most predictive
Speaker 1: thing of a great team is stomping bad teams. And
Speaker 1: I don't think there's data that backs that up. But
Speaker 1: that's ludicrous to me. But okay, go on, because basically
Speaker 1: the I the thinking is when you're playing other great teams,
Speaker 1: the game is probably gonna be close, and so a
Speaker 1: sign of of a great team is is you don't
Speaker 1: keep them close against the bad ones. I actually think
Speaker 1: that bron Goes have to be a little discouraged coming
Speaker 1: out of this geam just because they are, weirdly one
Speaker 1: of the most injured teams in the entire NFL. They
Speaker 1: had three starters lost in this game, two on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. They're now down three starters on the offensive
Speaker 1: lines injuries. We'll see how serious they are. And then
Speaker 1: kJ Hamdler, the receiver had an injury, which well, we'll
Speaker 1: see how serious that is. That the initial word is
Speaker 1: maybe it's not as bad as it initially looked, and
Speaker 1: it's going to just be multi week instead of season ending. Um,
Speaker 1: but they you know, Chubb's on the I R. I
Speaker 1: just saying that they're down about six seven starters from
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, and then that you would think is
Speaker 1: gonna start catching up to him now that they faced
Speaker 1: the meat of their skin, right Dalton, Dalton, Risner, Graham
Speaker 1: Glasgow foot knee injuries, respect respectively. kJ Hamler had the
Speaker 1: knee which was really bad in the moment, but hopefully
Speaker 1: not too serious. Um yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much to take out of this game other there
Speaker 1: than to say that, um, they could handle these teams. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's doing exactly what you'd want out of Teddy, Teddy.
Speaker 1: He's been perfect Teddy. But he's like again, I want
Speaker 1: to see him against better competition. They got the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, the Jets. Now they're going to get the Ravens,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, the Raiders, the Browns. Okay, now, let's see
Speaker 1: what Teddy is. But if you're asking how he played
Speaker 1: today as well, it wasn't a dynamic performance. But he
Speaker 1: made some really nice throws. And when you're playing a
Speaker 1: team as bad as the Jets are right now, you
Speaker 1: just don't want to do anything to gift wrap the game,
Speaker 1: pick sixes or anything like that. Put the ball in
Speaker 1: the ground. He didn't do that. He's kind of stuck
Speaker 1: in games against Derek Carr, Justin Herbert and Mahomes where
Speaker 1: it's not gonna where you can't just like kick field goals.
Speaker 1: And so that's going to be the challenge for Teddy.
Speaker 1: But what a start, I mean, it is. You could
Speaker 1: argue this was the softest start to schedule that any
Speaker 1: team has ever had. I mean, record wise it is.
Speaker 1: It's oh nine. But well, you can't take the you
Speaker 1: can't take the oh nine because they three of them
Speaker 1: are against the Broncos. But yeah, they're owing six otherwise.
Speaker 1: You know, put it this way, when I do the
Speaker 1: Power Rings on Tuesday, I think the Giants will be
Speaker 1: twenty nine, the Jaguars or the Giants will be thirty,
Speaker 1: the Jags will be thirty one, and the Jets will
Speaker 1: be thirty two. And that's so they got one, two,
Speaker 1: three in the schedule. Again, you can only play your schedule.
Speaker 1: But I want to see how they do against the
Speaker 1: Ravens next week. That seems like a really good game,
Speaker 1: a barometer. Let's move on. I'll get mad at kicks away.
Speaker 1: You can only play who's on the schedule, and the
Speaker 1: ball game is over. Speaking of what was their own
Speaker 1: with the call w z g C. Young Waiku kicked
Speaker 1: the forty yard field goals time expire. Matt Ryan threw
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. Is the Falcons top the Giants seventeen fourteen
Speaker 1: and they always vicious nasty clause out double wounded animal gain.
Speaker 1: The Giants had a seven point lead after se Kwon
Speaker 1: Barkley how to TD dive from one yard out and
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones then followed up with a two point version
Speaker 1: fourteen seven got Eli manning ceremony at halftime. It's the
Speaker 1: Giants specifically set this up. Let's get a dog team
Speaker 1: into our building when the weather is nice in September.
Speaker 1: Make it a homecoming type game. When Eli there, he
Speaker 1: does his speech and then we roll. But guess what.
Speaker 1: The defense could not make the seven point lead stand up.
Speaker 1: The offense couldn't do anything in the final quarter after
Speaker 1: that touchdown, and the Falcon's offense that had struggled mightily
Speaker 1: in the first two weeks, came to life just enough
Speaker 1: to beat a Giant's team that might be very bad.
Speaker 1: The fact that they're winless in what feels like a
Speaker 1: little bit of a softer portion of their schedule will
Speaker 1: as they now get into the teeth of their schedule.
Speaker 1: Bodes very poorly for New York and in general. There
Speaker 1: have been there have been times when New York football
Speaker 1: has had bad seasons. Uh, Jets and Giants together, this
Speaker 1: one could be as bad as any has ever been.
Speaker 1: That's where it's trending right now. Well, maybe they were
Speaker 1: trying to honor the last four years of Eli Manning's career.
Speaker 1: You know, don't hit out Greg, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of losing then too, um Man. That
Speaker 1: is absolutely brutal to lose in this way to the Falcons,
Speaker 1: like Falcon stink by the way, you'll watch this game, like, okay,
Speaker 1: the Falcons one, and they actually their schedule softens up
Speaker 1: a little bit now and they have a chance to
Speaker 1: kind of get things together. But I don't see the
Speaker 1: Falcons is a good team at all. The the fact
Speaker 1: that you let this team beat you and you're building
Speaker 1: is a very bad sign. You set up the halftime,
Speaker 1: you know, ceremony, and Eli Manning was emotional this week
Speaker 1: talking about it like he was really almost not surprise,
Speaker 1: but like it meant a lot to him. I've rarely
Speaker 1: seen him talk like that. And to Boo owned the
Speaker 1: owner John Mara. During that halftime speech, the crowd is
Speaker 1: booing Mara. I just go back to the year I
Speaker 1: lived in New York a decade and the reverence with
Speaker 1: which the New York Football Giants fan base in media
Speaker 1: and the whole city. It's really a giant city, as
Speaker 1: you know, like in the city held the maras was
Speaker 1: was annoying frankly and uh and at the time because
Speaker 1: that's yeah, as a Patriots fan, but also just like
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine, you know, they just got amazing coverage
Speaker 1: and it really shows how far they've fallen the last
Speaker 1: five or six years or eight years, I guess, um,
Speaker 1: and he's getting booed. I don't know that that amazes me.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure it's gonna be on the back
Speaker 1: page of the post in the Daily News tomorrow that
Speaker 1: I guess. There was a photo captured of a garbage
Speaker 1: can that um the owner kicked over after the Giants
Speaker 1: went down, And maybe he got kicked over because he
Speaker 1: got booted halftime. Either way, I mean, listen, if you
Speaker 1: look at what the Giants have done since they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl nine and seven, no playoffs one year
Speaker 1: nine and seven seven and nine, six and ten, six
Speaker 1: and ten, eleven and five and under Ben McAdoo. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that happened, but then they had the
Speaker 1: boat thing and then they got wiped out in the
Speaker 1: playoffs three and third. This is since now two thousand, seventeen,
Speaker 1: three and thirteen, five and eleven, four and twelve, six
Speaker 1: and ten and now oh and three. So the fan
Speaker 1: base is as a Jets fan, I see it. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're spoiled, but you understand because you expect results when
Speaker 1: you run very well for a long period of time
Speaker 1: and they just the results are not there. And they
Speaker 1: they're very banged up right now, and you have to
Speaker 1: factor that in because Daniel Jones um did not have
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepard who hurt his leg. The Darius Layton he
Speaker 1: left the game in the first half of the hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: We know Evan Ingram and Kenny Golladay are both banged up.
Speaker 1: Blake Martinez, who is a very important part of their defense,
Speaker 1: he got hurt in this game. Um, so they are
Speaker 1: not at full strength for a roster that doesn't need
Speaker 1: it's core players to be disappearing. If you want one
Speaker 1: bit of good news for the Giants, I think Sae
Speaker 1: Kwan is getting closer to being Sae Kwan again. He
Speaker 1: had lead back type usage in Week three, so I
Speaker 1: think the restraints are off him. But an Atlanta team
Speaker 1: that went into this game being outscored thirty eight zero
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter through week two weeks, to let
Speaker 1: them come back on you on this day. That's why
Speaker 1: they're booing. I mean, you gotta give young Wick Ku
Speaker 1: a nice corner table in the Kicker Club tonight. I
Speaker 1: know it's all about Tucker, but COO's coming off that
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. He hits the game winner. He's the man,
Speaker 1: right Quardurel Patterson, maybe invite him. He seems like he'd
Speaker 1: be fun at a club. He's he's a leading receiver.
Speaker 1: They've unlocked spat. Someone's actually done it. I don't think
Speaker 1: this can last the whole season, but someone has finally
Speaker 1: unlocked the offensive weapon. Quardurell Patters. These are different circumstances,
Speaker 1: but I hope it tracks on some level. It's like
Speaker 1: you remember on June two thousand nine when Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: died and then Fara Faucet also died that day, and
Speaker 1: nobody talked about Fara Faucet, who was an icon in
Speaker 1: her time because Michael Jackson was that big. Justin Tucker
Speaker 1: is Michael Jackson and Fara Faucet is young Waiku? Is
Speaker 1: that track at all? Yeah? I mean he'll take that.
Speaker 1: You know people had all posters up. Those people Faucet
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, let's move on Fields weight as the
Speaker 1: Browns load up, snap back, he's got it here, cups
Speaker 1: coral balla here, cups scaring. They got him a mile
Speaker 1: Scarret four and a half sacks on the afternoon. Oh,
Speaker 1: Jim Donovan with the called w K RK Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: He's here now. You were wondering where he is, where
Speaker 1: he was, He's here now. The super pass rusher said
Speaker 1: a franchise record with four and a half sacks as
Speaker 1: the Browns took down Justin Fields nine times to six.
Speaker 1: Win at the dog Pound. Now to talk about the game,
Speaker 1: we welcome in an old friend of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast, a legend, the great Kevin patra keV. How
Speaker 1: are you? First of all, pretty good? How's it going?
Speaker 1: Look at you? You're looking great. You're wearing a Dodger's hat,
Speaker 1: I mean, firefighter sweatcher. You're you're a real man there
Speaker 1: patrastled Beard the whole thing. Patrick's with his dad. Um, Patrick,
Speaker 1: this was an interesting game to get you back, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the lines if you're okay with that.
Speaker 1: A little bit later, kevi um but U embattled coach
Speaker 1: and officially in front of Mattneggie's name, you have to
Speaker 1: say in battled coach. Mattege was left to try to
Speaker 1: wrap his head around the ineptitude of his offense after
Speaker 1: this game, an offense that managed a single netyard of
Speaker 1: passing in four quarters. Here's what Naggie had to say
Speaker 1: after the carnage was through. Um, you know this is
Speaker 1: not how we wanted it to go. You almost can't
Speaker 1: even make it up. It's that bad. H So, but
Speaker 1: we got to get to the film and we got
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're hard on ourselves and we
Speaker 1: understand the wise Um, and and really just go from there. Patrick.
Speaker 1: You almost can cannot make it up, he says. I
Speaker 1: just don't even understand how you can be such a failure, Um,
Speaker 1: coming from where he came from Cancer City, and like,
Speaker 1: what heck was your game plan? Ja taking justin Fields,
Speaker 1: one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the league, and
Speaker 1: trying to make him a pocket pastor it like he
Speaker 1: did he forget that Andy Dalton was out this week.
Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense the game plan. It's like
Speaker 1: as bad of a day as it was for Fields,
Speaker 1: and it was a struggle. It was ten times a
Speaker 1: hundred times a thousand times worse for Matt Maggie. He
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how he survives another game
Speaker 1: like that. The only thing is by the grace of
Speaker 1: the ownership, who doesn't seem to want to make any changes.
Speaker 1: It was just piss poor, if I can say that
Speaker 1: from from a managerial standpoint of how you ran this game.
Speaker 1: What the GM put in front of your quarterback. The
Speaker 1: offensive line couldn't block a soul. Myles Garrett, you know,
Speaker 1: whipped Jason Peters. Anybody who thought that that was a
Speaker 1: good matchup was fooling themselves. And how they didn't have
Speaker 1: extra protection justin Fields had zero chance in this game,
Speaker 1: zero zero chance. He was pressured on a set of
Speaker 1: his dropbacks like literally one out every two times, and
Speaker 1: every other time no receivers were open. There wasn't one
Speaker 1: schemed easy throw out in the flat you know, whatever,
Speaker 1: where were there? Where were the wide receiver screens where
Speaker 1: and Naggio probably le we only had six team plays
Speaker 1: in first courter, Yeah, because you couldn't do with the
Speaker 1: ball anyway, So that's why you only had team placed.
Speaker 1: It's just from a coaching perspective, this was a disaster,
Speaker 1: an absolute It is so good to have you back
Speaker 1: and have the fire here. And I was to say,
Speaker 1: if you could give me a little bit more perspective
Speaker 1: on how Naggie failed in your opinion, and it's sad
Speaker 1: where there are a lot of deep drops for fields
Speaker 1: as opposed to plays to try to get the ball
Speaker 1: out of his hand and get the offense moving in
Speaker 1: a different way. I think I counted like one through
Speaker 1: three quarters there was he moved the pocket twice, Like
Speaker 1: where were the rollouts to generate easy throat? Where were
Speaker 1: the split the fields in half? And he's got to
Speaker 1: go here? Boom boom, just quick, no thinking about it,
Speaker 1: like you're a You're asking an offensive line who can't
Speaker 1: block anybody to block one of the best defensive lines
Speaker 1: in the league. And after the first six sacks you
Speaker 1: to think you to change something, But no, it was
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again. It doesn't It
Speaker 1: was the biggest ineptitude. And I feel bad that we're
Speaker 1: harping on the negative side when when the Browns played
Speaker 1: out of their minds and the credit should go to
Speaker 1: them at a certain level. But it's just the surprise.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought that the Bears were gonna win,
Speaker 1: or most people should not have. But to be embarrassed
Speaker 1: in this fashion with your rookie quarterback, um, you know,
Speaker 1: just put I mean the number. We should point out
Speaker 1: some of the numbers they finished with. Forty seven yards
Speaker 1: they have in the first quarter or that was the
Speaker 1: whole game, seven total yards. Uh. They've finished with one
Speaker 1: passing yard passing yard that was one. Uh. They average
Speaker 1: one point one yards for play, which I saw was
Speaker 1: the second lowest um of this century. I'm amazed that
Speaker 1: forty seven yards wasn't like the all time record. The
Speaker 1: shocking thing to me is that you know, Fields finishes
Speaker 1: six for twenty, that he only runs three times, and
Speaker 1: so as much as all of this it makes sense,
Speaker 1: is on um naggie, you have to give the Browns
Speaker 1: defensive line a lot of credit, and you have to
Speaker 1: at least understand that Justin Fields's instincts are not at
Speaker 1: the point right now where he can come up with
Speaker 1: something because he took nine sacks and he only ran
Speaker 1: three times. The sacks to me are partly a quarterback
Speaker 1: stat and so it's a combination of everything, isn't it. Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. And of those forty seven yards you mentioned
Speaker 1: forty one, they had not forty one yards in the
Speaker 1: first half, which ob was was good. But then he
Speaker 1: only got six in the second half. So where we
Speaker 1: where were the adjustment? That's what my question is. And
Speaker 1: to your point about running, he did try to get
Speaker 1: up he a couple of those. I think three or
Speaker 1: four of those sacks were him just not getting back
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, and then therefore it goes
Speaker 1: for a sack. He was escaping the pocket and the
Speaker 1: lineman did a good job of corraling him before he
Speaker 1: slipped the tackle last week to seal the win. He
Speaker 1: couldn't do that this week. That's how good the Browns were.
Speaker 1: How do b J look? Because uh, you know I
Speaker 1: saw something just that he was very efficient. His five catches,
Speaker 1: all like picked up first downs, were big plays. They
Speaker 1: ended up with four eighteen yards, so they there they
Speaker 1: were plus you know, the three fifty and yardage like
Speaker 1: that to six and first downs, like had the running
Speaker 1: game going. But how did ob J look? He looked good.
Speaker 1: To me, he looked I didn't see any like hesitation
Speaker 1: on his cuts he went up for his best catch
Speaker 1: was wasn't an O. B J type perception ridiculous one
Speaker 1: out of bounds where he's falling in. If Baker could
Speaker 1: have kept it in bounds a little bit more, it
Speaker 1: would have been a ridiculous. It would be on all
Speaker 1: the higher lights already, like squeeze that ball, and it
Speaker 1: was like, You're like, how did he come down with that?
Speaker 1: He just couldn't couldn't drag his toes. But that was that.
Speaker 1: That to me was the player Like that showed like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's good, he's back like he might not have been bounds,
Speaker 1: but I don't care, like I think he's still got it.
Speaker 1: And the total yards margin of minus three seventy one
Speaker 1: for the Bears was the worst since Week seven of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies six, So we're talking historic disparity here between
Speaker 1: two teams. It should have been it should have been worse. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if the Bears defensive line didn't get five sacks early
Speaker 1: and forced to turnover on downs early when Stefanski went
Speaker 1: forward on fourth and short and they got stuff. The
Speaker 1: Browns got stuff. This would have been a complete laugher.
Speaker 1: It should have been a fifty it should have been
Speaker 1: a fifty burder. There's no doubt in my mind they couldn't.
Speaker 1: U Hunt was unguardable. They the Browns to me to
Speaker 1: have like the best screen game the league right now. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Hunt screens are just they can't tackle him. He
Speaker 1: was pinballing off guys and then the combo with Chub
Speaker 1: just just they just ground him down. And to make
Speaker 1: it matters, where Snaggy kicking a field goal when you
Speaker 1: finally got down and the score was filled, ten point
Speaker 1: game and he kicks a field goal and you're like,
Speaker 1: why the hell are you haven't you got in the
Speaker 1: red zone once, luckily, luckily once that you got there,
Speaker 1: and taking a field goal against the team that's glad?
Speaker 1: Are you becoming a fan? How you've lived in Chicago? Now?
Speaker 1: How long? Osmosis? I you know what? You know what
Speaker 1: it is. I am so used to rooting for teams
Speaker 1: that I just, you know, it just warmed my heart.
Speaker 1: You speak, you speak for a angry fan. Base and
Speaker 1: I know Bears fans, as hard as it is to
Speaker 1: listen to today's show, are happy that you're here. A Patchel,
Speaker 1: Let's get off this game before your head explodes and
Speaker 1: head to Jacksonville, where another rookie quarterback struggled. Good job, Brownies,
Speaker 1: Lawrence takes turns, gives to hide. It's a flee flicker,
Speaker 1: pitching it back to Lawrence Eason. Trouble jump ball pass
Speaker 1: picked off their side by Murphy at the thirty running
Speaker 1: at to the left of Byron Murphy after a horrible
Speaker 1: mistake by the rookie where the pick six and the
Speaker 1: Cardinals are back in front. Oh, Dave passed with the
Speaker 1: call k t a r A lot of ominous moments
Speaker 1: in that call leading up to it fleet flicker. He's
Speaker 1: in trouble. He throws it up. Byron Murphy intercept the
Speaker 1: two passes, including when he returned for a touchdown. Following
Speaker 1: that botched fleet flicker, Cardinals rally to beat the still
Speaker 1: very bad Yeaguars thirty one nineteen the Red Birds of
Speaker 1: three and oh. For the first time since two thousand fifteen,
Speaker 1: Patra Arizona was able to overcome a catastrophe, but special
Speaker 1: teams will play that in a minute. But what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this game? UM? I think that good
Speaker 1: teams win on the road when they're not playing well,
Speaker 1: they find ways to make place. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: the Cardinals did. UM talking about another coach who could
Speaker 1: be on a hot seat and took him probably took
Speaker 1: himself off of it, Cliff Kingsbury. This looked like one
Speaker 1: of those like speed bump games which as as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: he decided to kick a six year field goal gets
Speaker 1: returned for a touchdown. Jags take a just they're just
Speaker 1: running the ball down the throat. This is the best
Speaker 1: game I've seen from Trevor Lawrence until that pick and
Speaker 1: then it all comes all comes crashing down on the
Speaker 1: Jags and the Cards find a way to pull it out,
Speaker 1: and they just steamrolled their way away from it. It
Speaker 1: was it wasn't even close at the end of it.
Speaker 1: You know, they turned a ten nine point deficit into
Speaker 1: a fifteen point lead and like no time, it was over.
Speaker 1: And that's what good teams and I that's what good
Speaker 1: teams do. It wasn't Kyler Murray's best game. He threw
Speaker 1: a pick that I don't even know what he saw
Speaker 1: the safety. It was like basically just then arm punt
Speaker 1: on like second down. He was this year. To be honest,
Speaker 1: actually he said one each week like total Groner that
Speaker 1: if like Jamis threw it, you'd be be like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's Jamis again. But the good thing is every other
Speaker 1: play Kyler Murray looks like you know, an m V
Speaker 1: peak in it right, And he did, and he made plays.
Speaker 1: He didn't make as many plays with his legs, but
Speaker 1: he's like the when it's fourth and one, he's I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a team that can stop him. He
Speaker 1: had one year touchdown where nobody was within twenty yards
Speaker 1: of him, and then he converted a big fourth down
Speaker 1: to ice the game basically late uh and on a
Speaker 1: day where new Hopkins was kind of was quiet and
Speaker 1: he had three catches they couldn't they just couldn't connect,
Speaker 1: and they had a penalty on the white the way
Speaker 1: one big play. I mean, I thought A J. Green,
Speaker 1: who I've been a big critic of, I think he
Speaker 1: showed what he can be at this stage of his career.
Speaker 1: Possession receiver, and Kyler is clearly not afraid to thread
Speaker 1: at him in the needle. I mean, he had one
Speaker 1: jump ball, like Kyler underthrew it by probably like six
Speaker 1: yards and he just boxed the defender out like he
Speaker 1: was getting a rebound. So I mean they had two
Speaker 1: hundred yard wideouts and neither one was Hopkins. A J.
Speaker 1: Green best five for one or round dam more for
Speaker 1: that matter, and Kurt goes seven for one or four.
Speaker 1: They've sort of got the Cliff Kingsbury four wide receiver
Speaker 1: thing that we were sold on two years ago. They
Speaker 1: kind of got it. If Green can do just have
Speaker 1: pop up games like that. And I thought even his
Speaker 1: touchdown last week showed like a little bit of agility,
Speaker 1: where like, okay, like now that you're the third most
Speaker 1: important receiver on this team, like that's okay, You're fine.
Speaker 1: I think I think they were over reliant on Hopkins
Speaker 1: way too much last year. And I think this is
Speaker 1: the signs of this offense is growing, which we've been
Speaker 1: questioning whether Kingsbury can grow this offense, and they're finally
Speaker 1: starting to show it and Kyler doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: wild plays every other play. I think they showed that
Speaker 1: yer Oh sorry, Patrick urban Meyer said, um of the
Speaker 1: sleeve flicker that changed that game, It's going to be
Speaker 1: a hard one to get out of my mind. I
Speaker 1: would imagine Cliff Kingsbury, even though um, they had a
Speaker 1: victory in this game, it's gonna be hard to get
Speaker 1: out of his mind. A play that happened at the
Speaker 1: end of the first half. Let's listen to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Gus was bummed when he saw his assignment
Speaker 1: that he got the Jaguars and he was going down
Speaker 1: to Duval for the week. But he made a count
Speaker 1: on that field goal line up at bomb field goal
Speaker 1: is at sixty plus yards nine yards the other way.
Speaker 1: I almost swung that game, but Cardinals were able to
Speaker 1: correct it was It was one of those questions questionable
Speaker 1: calls at Kingsbury has at least once or twice a
Speaker 1: game that you're like, what are you doing, dude? What
Speaker 1: is your game management? I mean, Jamal ag Knew has
Speaker 1: been one of the most dynamic, if not the most
Speaker 1: dynamic returner. For the last return touchdown this year before that,
Speaker 1: I think that's two for him. He's like half their office.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand what what what the player
Speaker 1: there was whatever they ended up not burning, but that
Speaker 1: was the turning point. You thought, Holy crap. And then
Speaker 1: how Trevor Lawrence had a great touchdown throw, perfect perfect
Speaker 1: past I'm probably what I figured was his third read
Speaker 1: to get to get them up in the second half,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, Okay, this could be
Speaker 1: a dangerous game for Arizona because they came out flat,
Speaker 1: the defense wasn't really getting pressure, which I was kind
Speaker 1: of surprised about until late, and that pick six really
Speaker 1: changed the entire complexion of the game. Cliff Cliff's funny,
Speaker 1: Cliff kings Are. He's funny because he's the type of coach.
Speaker 1: They asked him after the game, you gret it? He's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: I don't regret it. I wouldn't change the thing. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't change the thing. What are you talking about? Your
Speaker 1: kicker didn't reach and you gave up to touch that. Like,
Speaker 1: how do you say that you wouldn't change the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like it'd be like the Fox executive saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't change the thing. I would have just kept
Speaker 1: Gus Johnson on some BS like Big twelve Game for
Speaker 1: eight years instead of having him on the NFL. What
Speaker 1: were we doing there for those eight ten years with
Speaker 1: without Gus Johnson. That's a certain that's a certain personality
Speaker 1: tick in a certain type of personality where you never
Speaker 1: admit that you did anything wrong fully confident in everything
Speaker 1: you do. You're supposing that's projecting strength. But sometimes you
Speaker 1: just want to slap him and be like, you know
Speaker 1: that was wrong. You should have just owned up to it.
Speaker 1: But that's what it is. The longest kick in NFL
Speaker 1: history involving Patrick's favorite team. Right after this, this is
Speaker 1: going to be an epically long field goal, a sixty
Speaker 1: six yard field goal try for Justin Tucker. It would
Speaker 1: be the longest in NFL history. If it's good, a
Speaker 1: sixty six yard try. Tucker's kick is on the way.
Speaker 1: It is good and prost bar and it bumbles grow
Speaker 1: it is good. Time has expired Justin Tucker for the
Speaker 1: longest field goal in NFL history. That he is in
Speaker 1: the bar and it say him on the field and
Speaker 1: dusky great call w B a L. It's midnight on
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve at the Kicker Club tonight. That's the
Speaker 1: type of party we're talking about. Pastor was not there.
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker said an NFL record with a sixty six
Speaker 1: yard field goal, bouncing it through off the crossbars, time
Speaker 1: expired nineteen seventeen, Ravens over Lions at Ford Fille. I mean,
Speaker 1: the place is going on, Patra, I don't know how
Speaker 1: close do you watch this game? I coorse you're famously
Speaker 1: Alliance fan. I didn't watch one second. Yeah, you're very
Speaker 1: busy man, obviously on Sunday, So don't really need YouTube
Speaker 1: give analysis on a game you didn't watch. But I
Speaker 1: just maybe as Alliance fan, trying to give us some framing,
Speaker 1: some contact context on what's the latest kind of stomach
Speaker 1: punch in an absurd way in the histories, long and
Speaker 1: tortured history. Perfect law, perfect law, couldn't cold in the
Speaker 1: print frame to any better. Get You get a scrappy
Speaker 1: kneecappers just fighting to the bitter end against the A F, C,
Speaker 1: AFC power, and you know they keep that perfect streak
Speaker 1: alive to have as high of a draft pick as possible.
Speaker 1: I couldn't any better. So you got that, you got
Speaker 1: that big picture look, I mean you, yeah, you weren't
Speaker 1: in the crowd though. People were heartbroken the the crowd shots.
Speaker 1: I mean Patrick, poor Patrick, he's tried to like divorce
Speaker 1: himself emotionally. He's not even covering Lions games on Sundays
Speaker 1: now and then we drag him in, uh to talk
Speaker 1: about this one. You're helping us, Yeah, you're helping join
Speaker 1: it and we're just like burying you. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: amazing they were in that in this position though, Like
Speaker 1: Calif Raymond is their leading receiver and they're and they're
Speaker 1: almost beating the Ravens. I know, Marky's Brown dropped a
Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns in this game, and maybe the score
Speaker 1: would be different, but it's pretty wild that Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: had a fourth and nineteen from the Ravens sixteen yard line, uh,
Speaker 1: with twenty six seconds to go. I'd love to see
Speaker 1: the win probability at that point and they win the game,
Speaker 1: and they had no time outs at the at the time.
Speaker 1: And and it should be said because Dan Campbell wants
Speaker 1: you to know and Lions fans like you were just
Speaker 1: pumping up Lions fans the other day. Greg. They're getting
Speaker 1: beat thirty seventeen by the Packers and they're cheering wildly
Speaker 1: for a random play. They're dying because after they pick
Speaker 1: up that first down on fourth and forever, the Ravens
Speaker 1: decided to run one more play where they sail the
Speaker 1: ball out of bounds on an incompletionent before bringing out
Speaker 1: Tucker for sixty six, but they didn't get the playoff
Speaker 1: and the officials missed it. It should have been a
Speaker 1: five yard in fraction and made a sixty six yard
Speaker 1: or a seventy one yarder, and then it becomes a
Speaker 1: hell Mary most likely um and most likely a Lions win.
Speaker 1: I mean, just that type of game. And if you're
Speaker 1: the Ravens, you're like, man, we got lucky here because
Speaker 1: we did not play well in this game. We almost
Speaker 1: went to Detroit and lost a lines to that's probably
Speaker 1: gonna win win two or three games all season. So
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker bails out the Ravens. It's something he's been
Speaker 1: doing for a decade now. He's the best kicker ever ever,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to hear anything else you can
Speaker 1: tell me out Infinitieri is is the greatest because of
Speaker 1: what he did in the playoffs. If Justin Tucker got
Speaker 1: that level of UM chances in the postseason, he would
Speaker 1: be universally seen as the best. He's just he's a
Speaker 1: weapon at a level that no one's ever seen in
Speaker 1: the sport. That play the fourth and nineteen and then
Speaker 1: him hitting that kick. I mean, this really was like
Speaker 1: the moment of of his career. We said it like
Speaker 1: when him coming out to break the record on a
Speaker 1: game winner. It should be pointed out by the way
Speaker 1: the Ravens had four players all starters. Well maybe Jalen
Speaker 1: Ferguson isn't a starter, but three starters and Jalen Ferguson
Speaker 1: all go on the COVID list Friday morning. They had
Speaker 1: something like fifteen guys on i R last week, so
Speaker 1: it's they were they are they are, Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: scrambling a little bit, and that helps put into context
Speaker 1: what happened here. But it's still surprising when you had
Speaker 1: a thirteen nothing lead that you left it up to Tucker.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's more perfect that way. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the perfect Lions loss at the perfect justin Tucker moment,
Speaker 1: perfect Lamar Jackson ending two for a second straight week,
Speaker 1: he comes up with some eroics and he breaks the
Speaker 1: Matt Prator record set the sixty four yard or in
Speaker 1: week fourteen. That was done in the elevation high altitude
Speaker 1: of Denver. So this was obviously in perfect conditions as
Speaker 1: a dome at Ford Field, but I mean it is
Speaker 1: the real deal kick by Justin Tucker and really, I mean,
Speaker 1: just save the Ravens from what would have been a
Speaker 1: really bad, bad, bad loss. I like your theory though,
Speaker 1: Patra that Lions fans, it's okay to be hurt, especially
Speaker 1: if you're in that building you just want to w
Speaker 1: But when you're picking first overall because of this uh
Speaker 1: in April, you'll probably actually say, oh, that was good,
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a healthy way to look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know you still you want to get one.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be and seventeen the first you're
Speaker 1: already the first team to go. And six you want
Speaker 1: to be the first team ever ago oh and seventeen,
Speaker 1: And I don't think they will. I think you take
Speaker 1: up positive, like, Okay, they play, they they battled, and
Speaker 1: they have all season, and I think that's what you're
Speaker 1: looking for, that young players are playing better. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't get the number one overall. Picking like a
Speaker 1: draft without a great quarterback well who knows, yeah, like
Speaker 1: an Eric Fisher type of draft. There's not like a
Speaker 1: quarterback right now that everyone agrees on. But it's very
Speaker 1: early and per next Gen stats, Tucker had a field
Speaker 1: goal probability of ten point four percent. There another Justin
Speaker 1: Tucker stats sixteen of sixteen on field goals in the
Speaker 1: final minute of regulation, the most makes without a miss
Speaker 1: in the final minute of regulation since at least nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty three when they started tracking this stuff. Everybody sucked
Speaker 1: at kicking before three. So this is the best ever.
Speaker 1: And he's never missed in the final minute of regulation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's freaky stuff, first ballot, Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame stuff. Patrick. I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you an option here because I when there are
Speaker 1: these type of things that happened on a Sunday, I'd
Speaker 1: like to hear the other side of it, the other
Speaker 1: radio call. But I don't need to subject you to that.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to hear it, you do want
Speaker 1: to hear it, Oh yeah, sure, all right? And I
Speaker 1: just want to like the pain. He likes the pain.
Speaker 1: It's like him and doing workouts too. It's like that Miller, right,
Speaker 1: that's the burn, all right, Dan Miller's call of Justin
Speaker 1: Tucker's mastery of the kicking game. This will, in fact
Speaker 1: be a sixty six yard attempt for Justin Tucker. This
Speaker 1: game hangs in the balance with the longest kick in
Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League on the line.
Speaker 1: Tucker's ready, Bear's the snap, spot down kick on the way.
Speaker 1: It is off and it is off the craft bar
Speaker 1: and throw. Oh my goodness, are you kidding me? Justin
Speaker 1: Tucker from sixty six hit the Croft bar and it
Speaker 1: bounced through and the Ravens are celebrating on the field
Speaker 1: the longest field goal in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1: Here's just beaten Detroit Lions. Oh my goodness. All right, Patrick,
Speaker 1: thank you buddy, you're I mean, you're a warrior, and
Speaker 1: we really it's great to hear from you, and thanks
Speaker 1: for helping us out shorthanded and not me not being
Speaker 1: able to talk to him. Good to see your face,
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick. Appreciate you guys. See you, buddy, I mean
Speaker 1: Patcher's Patrick has been a lot around a long time here.
Speaker 1: When you know, he was here before I got here.
Speaker 1: He was like a utility man. He was doing stuff
Speaker 1: on the production side and switched over to writing like
Speaker 1: he's a lifer. He's a grinder. He is um. He
Speaker 1: doesn't suffer fools either. I think he broke. He's definitely
Speaker 1: leading the league and um, you know expletive beeps per
Speaker 1: minute on this show. I think he squeezed in three
Speaker 1: in a solid twenty minute. I mean it's like he's
Speaker 1: taking his shots. It's good commentary, good football commentary, and
Speaker 1: it's salt of the earth commentary to what's Kevin Patra
Speaker 1: all right? Which takes us to Sunday night football n
Speaker 1: Crosby to try to win it, and the kick is
Speaker 1: good to win the game. The forty Niners couldn't take
Speaker 1: enough time off the plot. At the end, all Aaron
Speaker 1: needed was thirty seven seconds. It's a beautiful sport, isn't it.
Speaker 1: The the they called soccer the beautiful game, But when
Speaker 1: when football is at its best, as it was on
Speaker 1: Sunday night between the Packers and Niners, it could feel
Speaker 1: like you're watching a movie. And that's what it was like.
Speaker 1: The Niners down six points with a couple of minutes
Speaker 1: to go, Jimmy g leads him down the field. Robbie
Speaker 1: Gould hits the point after they're upper point, but Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is on the other side and he hits two
Speaker 1: big strikes to his guy Davante, setting up a fifty
Speaker 1: one yard Mason Crosby field goal tents bang straight through
Speaker 1: the uprights, Packers thirty niners and after the game, Michelle
Speaker 1: Tafoya talk to Aaron Rodgers, who was also feeling the
Speaker 1: beauty of the sport. Man actually suggested, I play on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Uh, that first play, which was something we
Speaker 1: actually worked on Friday practice, kind of scribbling on the
Speaker 1: dirt and it worked out perfect. Just put it right over, friends,
Speaker 1: got us kind of down there a little bit. We
Speaker 1: need one more play? Um, how could he not be
Speaker 1: romantic about football? Man? I know you believe that, Greg
Speaker 1: I do, especially in a night like this, a moment
Speaker 1: like that's for Rogers, where you're watching one of the
Speaker 1: greatest ever at the very height of his powers. You
Speaker 1: know the numbers in the box score to sixty one
Speaker 1: and two, and you think, oh, that that's a solid
Speaker 1: game for Rodgers. This is one of the best games
Speaker 1: I've seen Rogers play. Mean, there's a million of them.
Speaker 1: But he was he was almost he was almost perfect.
Speaker 1: From the first throw was a gem to Lazard for
Speaker 1: forty two. The touchdown to Valdes Scantling was beautiful. He
Speaker 1: had he had an earlier throw to Davante Adams in
Speaker 1: the game where it's just like there's no room there,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the game they're doing all
Speaker 1: this quick game because that was the game plan and
Speaker 1: that's working beautifully. Probably the only thing he did wrong
Speaker 1: in the Fleur can be part of this too, was
Speaker 1: blow all those time outs early in the half of
Speaker 1: you know what it did, It just made it more
Speaker 1: exciting that they made the degree of difficulty even greater.
Speaker 1: When he gets the ball thirty seven seconds left, no
Speaker 1: time outs, and they run those two plays and that
Speaker 1: first throw to Adams is such a tough throw. It's
Speaker 1: such a great call against like a cover two uh
Speaker 1: in a two minute situation where they're trying to cover
Speaker 1: everything and you just can't cover that throw, and he
Speaker 1: makes it absolutely perfect, and he sets up Crosby who
Speaker 1: might not be in the corner. You know, Tucker is
Speaker 1: getting all the attention, but Crosby, Crosby's hanging out in
Speaker 1: the kicker club again. It's it's the Fara Faucet Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson thing, because Crosby should be celebrated. Instead he's getting fauceted,
Speaker 1: He's getting the foss is getting turned on him. But
Speaker 1: he has been nails for them. And and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: said after the game, in addition to the comments you
Speaker 1: heard that you know he sits next to Mason Crosby
Speaker 1: on every plane flight. They love each other. He respects
Speaker 1: him so much. And that was such. That was such
Speaker 1: a gutsy kick. Kickers are so much better now than
Speaker 1: they used to be. That when a guy drills a
Speaker 1: fifty one yard or you know, years ago that would
Speaker 1: have been unheard of, but now just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he drilled from you could you could make a case
Speaker 1: Greg that Rogers brilliant, but has the fante Adams of
Speaker 1: all people get wide open twice? He was not wide open.
Speaker 1: That's that's that first row, the degree of difficulty on that,
Speaker 1: how deep Adam's got, how far back Warner was as
Speaker 1: like the linebacker. But he had to throw that so
Speaker 1: hard and yet over the zone like that is such
Speaker 1: an incredibly high degree of difficulty throw. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's open at all, and he has to reset
Speaker 1: his feet moving two ft. I can't remember it was
Speaker 1: to his left or is right right before he threw
Speaker 1: it because he felt the pass rush going. I'm not
Speaker 1: buying that at all. I don't know if anyone else
Speaker 1: in the in the league makes that exact throw at
Speaker 1: that moment, it was perfect. I think, Yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: something to be said for Maybe the defense wasn't perfect
Speaker 1: in that spot by the Niners, but sometimes one of
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time just beats you. And that's
Speaker 1: what happened. And uh, you know, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: subplots to come out of this game. Because the Niners
Speaker 1: are getting shut out in the first half, it's so
Speaker 1: hard for them to find the end zone. When they
Speaker 1: finally do in the final seconds to the second quarter,
Speaker 1: it's of course Trey Lance who does it on a
Speaker 1: one yard run after a what had to be a
Speaker 1: brutally painful sequence or Niners fans that like, why is
Speaker 1: this so hard to score? And then I'm thinking to
Speaker 1: myself as the second half as playing playing out and
Speaker 1: Jimmy G has that bad fumble that seems to hand
Speaker 1: the game to the Packers midway through the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: that oh, this is gonna be the week where Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan might have to make the change because this offense
Speaker 1: is just not getting done. And it makes me think
Speaker 1: what Jimmy G was able to do and on that
Speaker 1: seventy five yard drive in about two and a half minutes.
Speaker 1: It would have been better for it was three minutes,
Speaker 1: but that's just the way it is. With Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: on the other side, Jimmy G really saved his own bacon,
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't able to save the Niners. But
Speaker 1: this is the Jimmy G experience. This is why they
Speaker 1: drafted Trey Lance because these sort of games drive you
Speaker 1: crazy watching Jimmy G. Just when you think you're out,
Speaker 1: you're you get back in and just when you think
Speaker 1: you're in, he does something that you come back out.
Speaker 1: But it's still the same Jimmy G, which he is
Speaker 1: uh frenetick his feet like I you know. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: gets lauded for having very quiet fees, very calm in
Speaker 1: the pockeys move moving only the steps that he needs to,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy G is patting all around, he's petting the
Speaker 1: ball and he's turning around. This is the second straight
Speaker 1: week where he kind of threw the ball backwards because
Speaker 1: he didn't know where he was. And even on that
Speaker 1: touchdown drive. I don't want to knock the touchdown drive
Speaker 1: too much, but Deebo Samuel makes an unreal play. George
Speaker 1: Kittle makes a great run after catch, use check makes
Speaker 1: a great play to score touch down. You kind of
Speaker 1: gotta give it up to the teammates too, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fall. I don't know if it's Shanahan or Jimmy
Speaker 1: g When they snapped the ball, there's thirty you know,
Speaker 1: there's about forty two seconds left, and there's twelve seconds
Speaker 1: still left on that play clock. They have all three
Speaker 1: time outs. The Packers had left themselves in a vulnerable
Speaker 1: spot with no timeouts at all. Poor game management. And
Speaker 1: I tweeted the second that play happened. They snapped that
Speaker 1: ball with twelve seconds left in the play clock. Time
Speaker 1: was not a factor at that point, and it's given me.
Speaker 1: It was giving me flashbacks to a little Uh, Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan Falcon super Bowl. How about that? You gotta bring
Speaker 1: that up. I mean that was that was the all time.
Speaker 1: You're snapping the ball earlier than you need to. But
Speaker 1: even in that moment, you're you're thinking, there's no need
Speaker 1: to be snapping it with twelve extra So well, that's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair, and in general, tough a tough night for
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, who there's a lot of drama We talked
Speaker 1: about it in the preview show on Thursday now between
Speaker 1: the Packers and the forty Niners connected to the potential
Speaker 1: pursuit or the legitimate pursuit of Aaron Rodgers in the
Speaker 1: off season, and how that led now to a potential
Speaker 1: fracture of the relationship between best bros. Uh Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: and Matt Lafleur of Icy Bros. Gate got a little
Speaker 1: more pop and sizzle at midfield at the end of
Speaker 1: the game because these guys were these bros were icy
Speaker 1: and they just passed like two ships in the night.
Speaker 1: And then I was watching the postgame presser and of
Speaker 1: course the Niners beat reporter asks about it, and Shanahan
Speaker 1: feign's ignorance on It's like, oh, it's a busy game,
Speaker 1: end of field goal. You know, I don't even really
Speaker 1: know what was happening, but we know we know it's
Speaker 1: Icy Bros Gate and I love it. That was some
Speaker 1: man Jennie Belichick stuff right there. I actually was surprised
Speaker 1: because earlier in the week we said are we on handshake?
Speaker 1: Watch here? And it ended up it ended up, it
Speaker 1: ended up delivery. I'm not happy the Packers won because
Speaker 1: I picked the forty Niners and I always root for
Speaker 1: my picks. But I do think this was the deserved result.
Speaker 1: This was a game If the forty Niners won that
Speaker 1: I felt like they stole. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: they were the better team. I thought that the Packers
Speaker 1: were able to run the ball the forty Niners were not.
Speaker 1: Rogers was clearly the better quarterback. I thought they had
Speaker 1: the better game plan. Football is just a game of
Speaker 1: a couple of plays here, you know, the Packers had
Speaker 1: all these past interferences to uh, the couple of calls
Speaker 1: went against the Packers, and I just felt like they
Speaker 1: looked like the better team. So even though it was
Speaker 1: a crazy ending, I think, uh, the deserved team got
Speaker 1: the result. It's funny that you used that word stole,
Speaker 1: because when I was in the NFL Network film Theater
Speaker 1: Humble with m j D tonight, I said the same
Speaker 1: thing when Crosby came on and hit the field goal
Speaker 1: to make one's like the Niners. I know it feels unlikely,
Speaker 1: but they could steal this game, and I would have
Speaker 1: said it to you, Greg, But even though I sent
Speaker 1: you multiple texts to come join me in the theater.
Speaker 1: You didn't say it came, you knew it came, and
Speaker 1: you left me there. And when m j. D needed
Speaker 1: to go to the studio to join Chris Rose for
Speaker 1: the postgame show, it was the old Zeuser sitting alone
Speaker 1: in a movie theater watching the end of this game,
Speaker 1: and that hurt. Okay, this was this is the most
Speaker 1: damn story. I'm the come to the main character and
Speaker 1: in the movie uh plot line. Ever, you had your
Speaker 1: whole set up the whole second half because you wanted
Speaker 1: to watch Yankees and football, so we weren't in the
Speaker 1: same place. They want to know what happened with that
Speaker 1: Yankee red Stock game while we're here, Well assume the
Speaker 1: Yankees one now based look at your face. So I'm watching,
Speaker 1: trying to catch up, trying to do things at my desk.
Speaker 1: Then you send me a text with five minutes left
Speaker 1: after I'm all set up. I've been doing my notes
Speaker 1: and you didn't even say come over. You just said
Speaker 1: I'm the m in the film room. I beg you
Speaker 1: to come. I'm in the film room, f y I.
Speaker 1: At that point it was too late. You knew where
Speaker 1: I was as you could have come to where I was.
Speaker 1: Let's see, at eight oh five, I'm in the film room,
Speaker 1: f y. I mentioned that m j D is with us,
Speaker 1: m j D burying me about Robert Sala and then
Speaker 1: you wrote sounds fun slammer, and I wrote it was
Speaker 1: just the two of us. Now I'm alone in here,
Speaker 1: ha ha this kind At what point? Is? Is the
Speaker 1: light go on with Greg? But or maybe just Greg
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hang out with me? Maybe that's where
Speaker 1: it is. You in in a movie theater in at
Speaker 1: NFL Network watching the best Sunday Night game. I'm watching
Speaker 1: the game at my desk the whole second half. You
Speaker 1: should have come to me. You you were the one
Speaker 1: that needed the whole setup. I didn't know where where
Speaker 1: you were. Now I really miss Mark anyway, it took that.
Speaker 1: Despite that, it was a great game to sit with
Speaker 1: you in the theater last Now I was doing in there.
Speaker 1: If you had been, if we had watched the whole
Speaker 1: second half there, I would have done it. That's what
Speaker 1: I was, That's what I was expecting to do. But
Speaker 1: you wanted to do a different set up at that point,
Speaker 1: I'm not changing my setup. Five minutes left in the game.
Speaker 1: We should say we should do a contest, Ricky, like
Speaker 1: with a maybe a listener will want to sit with
Speaker 1: me in the NFL network. Yeah, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of people would Dan. Yeah, that's not happening. This place
Speaker 1: is locked down pretty tight. You can't even get family
Speaker 1: in here. Um. All right, good stuff and uh power
Speaker 1: rank is gonna be tough this week. This is a
Speaker 1: really interesting week in the NFL. Kind of feel like
Speaker 1: we hit the reset button now as we reach October. Um,
Speaker 1: a little update real quick before we go. UM on
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, the Chiefs head coach who fell ill at
Speaker 1: the conclusion of the Kansas Cities lost to the charges today.
Speaker 1: This from the Chiefs came out about an hour ago.
Speaker 1: Reid was evaluated by our medical staff in the locker
Speaker 1: room and as a precaution, was transported to the University
Speaker 1: of Kansas Health System for further evaluation. Coach is doing well,
Speaker 1: currently resting and in stable condition. Okay, stable condition sounds scary,
Speaker 1: but that that's a good thing. So get well soon, coach.
Speaker 1: Get to answer your question, Yes, I would like you
Speaker 1: to beg beg. I just I think sometimes like typical mail,
Speaker 1: bonding escapes you. UM and I don't say that as
Speaker 1: like an attack mechanism I gets you. I just say
Speaker 1: like I was kind of opening the door and then
Speaker 1: you would come roll in and we'd enjoy the end
Speaker 1: of the game together. The door was opened the whole
Speaker 1: second traditional mail bonding, you knew where it was, you
Speaker 1: went to go hang out with m j D. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday, and thank you everybody for dealing
Speaker 1: with my stupid voice today. Hopefully that will be better
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Um, but I get well soon, Mark Cessler.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll have him Tuesday, and probably not
Speaker 1: for this upcoming week, but we're gonna make sure Mark
Speaker 1: gets completely well before he's back. Mark. Um, So get
Speaker 1: well soon, Mr Cessler, and thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: And let's go Week three in the books. Oh we're
Speaker 1: just getting started. The beautiful gut heat the call