Speaker 1: You're listening to Comedy Central.
Speaker 2: Well, all right, my gut.
Speaker 1: Tonight he's the host of The O'Reilly Factor on the
Speaker 1: Fox News program channel. His new book is called Killing Patten,
Speaker 1: A strange death of World War Two is most audacious General.
Speaker 1: He's welcome back to our program, mister William O'Reilly.
Speaker 2: William pop a seed.
Speaker 1: I'm glad given the Abola scare, you still are shaking
Speaker 1: my hand. I think, uh that's a positive step. I
Speaker 1: know you're very frightened, and I just want to tell
Speaker 1: you everything's going to be okay. There you go, baby,
Speaker 1: You've got going that's settled down.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The book is called, uh Miller Riley, Killing Patton. It's
Speaker 1: like with the eighth we're just gonna call this series
Speaker 1: killing Trees. They still that grazy with one of them. Uh,
Speaker 1: you didn't what you didn't read it though, No, I
Speaker 1: did not read it. I'm gonna wait for the lifetime series.
Speaker 3: But I want you to direct it.
Speaker 2: I will do.
Speaker 3: I want you to direct it.
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to do. You know, I'm a director. Now.
Speaker 3: I know you have a vampire movie coming out something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of them tween movies where love is
Speaker 1: found unexpectedly.
Speaker 3: That's the theme of Killing Patton.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Here's what I love about this. Look
Speaker 1: at that. Look at the cover there. It's just like
Speaker 1: Pattern's just sitting there and Hitler's just giving him the eyeballs.
Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at Hitler. I'm gonna get you,
Speaker 1: all right, listen to me. Here's Here's all I want
Speaker 1: from you today. This is it. This is all we
Speaker 1: got to do in this conversation.
Speaker 3: Okay, just one.
Speaker 1: I have one simple goal. I want you to admit
Speaker 1: that there is such a thing as white privilege.
Speaker 3: That's all I want to know.
Speaker 4: I knew you were.
Speaker 2: That's it, just a little.
Speaker 1: I just I just want you to say, I am
Speaker 1: I'm terribly terribly wrong on this. I just want you
Speaker 1: to look in your case.
Speaker 3: There is white privilege than the fact that you're here,
Speaker 3: sitting there. He doesn't even doesn't even look at you.
Speaker 1: What shave?
Speaker 3: What there isn't no shave.
Speaker 1: The truth is from not It's called Jewish privilege.
Speaker 2: It happens.
Speaker 1: We are we are a here suit people. You you
Speaker 1: have said, you stated this. There is no I don't
Speaker 1: believe that there's a thing called white privilege. It is not.
Speaker 1: See now okay, Now, now we have a conversation, we can.
Speaker 3: Okay, Look, if there is white privilege, then there has
Speaker 3: to be Asian privilege. What does Asians make more money
Speaker 3: than whites?
Speaker 2: What you don't know?
Speaker 1: What of this?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: Well not not?
Speaker 1: What kind of Asian you have to Asian Americans? Well,
Speaker 1: America depends on where they're from. If you're looking at.
Speaker 3: Differrom Asia, they're Asian Americans.
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 1: But as if they make.
Speaker 3: More money, with higher education, more affluent. So it's Asian privilege,
Speaker 3: not white privilege. You're you're missing the point, and I'm
Speaker 3: sorry to confuse you with fact.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 1: It's not the that's the Okay, here we go. The
Speaker 1: Asian experience in America, the Asian immigrant experience is very
Speaker 1: different from the black exp Yes, so it's really they're
Speaker 1: not equivalent. And either way, white people, males set the system.
Speaker 1: So that's what privileges is that that white people set
Speaker 1: the system. That. Yes, maybe Asian immigrants, once immigration policy
Speaker 1: was liberalized, have done better over these past thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years, but there has been a systemic, systemic, systematized
Speaker 1: subjugation of the black community would you not agree with that? Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it.
Speaker 2: We're done. You just you just did it.
Speaker 1: You just didn't.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all.
Speaker 3: That's what happened to that hand sanitizer.
Speaker 2: Look, that's all that was.
Speaker 3: That was then, this is now.
Speaker 2: It's no what there was.
Speaker 1: White privilege, it no longer exists.
Speaker 3: Maybe you haven't figured out that there is no more slavery,
Speaker 3: no more Jim Crow.
Speaker 5: Right, all right, and are the most powerful man in
Speaker 5: the world. Oh boy, here we go a black American
Speaker 5: and the most powerful woman in the world Oprah Winfrey
Speaker 5: is black.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Being able to give people a free car does not
Speaker 1: make you the most powerful.
Speaker 3: Because with oph no, no, come in here and shave you.
Speaker 1: I see the issue here. You don't believe that the
Speaker 1: residual effect of I mean, slavery and Jim Crow are dead.
Speaker 1: But the residual effects of that systemic subsitucation exist today.
Speaker 3: Absolutely exists.
Speaker 1: Let's go a different way.
Speaker 3: It exists for every race, not at that extent.
Speaker 1: So that's white.
Speaker 3: So you but you don't put forth all right, this
Speaker 3: oh white privilege. And if you fail, that's why you fail.
Speaker 3: All right. America is now a place where if you
Speaker 3: work hard, get educated, and an honest person, you can succeed.
Speaker 3: That's what should be put out there.
Speaker 1: You are carrying all this carrying. You are carrying more
Speaker 1: of a burden as a black person in this country
Speaker 1: than a white person in this country from collectively, yes,
Speaker 1: but not individually.
Speaker 3: You listen, every.
Speaker 1: Even though they've done far more damage to the accounty.
Speaker 3: Don't stop white people, white people.
Speaker 1: White people do more drugs in this country than black people,
Speaker 1: but black people make up a far higher majority of them.
Speaker 3: You know why that, yes, you do know why that is?
Speaker 1: Why is that because black people? It's about real estate.
Speaker 1: To some extent, there has been a systemic subjugation through
Speaker 1: real estate. Black people are ghetto wised in this country.
Speaker 3: They have to live there. Is that what you're telling?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're getting to a bad place, my friend.
Speaker 3: Listen, all right, this is the usual white guilty liberal.
Speaker 1: This is not guilty. I don't feel guilty.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 3: Why you're getting paid for this?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: What you mean for this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to be very guilty. Culturally, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what made you culture? Do you think upbringing gave you values? Ethics?
Speaker 3: Yes, it did.
Speaker 1: You were you didn't grow up rich, right, No, we didn't.
Speaker 3: You worked hard money at all?
Speaker 1: I did? You worked hard? You lived where Levittown, Levittown,
Speaker 1: New York. So it gave you a nice stable, a
Speaker 1: cheap home. There was no down payments. There was this
Speaker 1: incredible opportunity. No, those houses was just subsidized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't last. They weren't subsidized, but they were
Speaker 3: sold to gis and the GI's got a mortgage they
Speaker 3: could afford. Look, but let me let me just ask
Speaker 3: me quite a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, let me just ask you a question. Yes,
Speaker 1: did that upbringing leave a mark on you? Even today?
Speaker 3: Of course every upbringing me rais a mark on it.
Speaker 4: Great people.
Speaker 1: Could black people live in Levittown? Not at that time
Speaker 1: it could not, so that my friend might call in
Speaker 1: the business white privilege.
Speaker 3: Okay, that was in ninety No that that was in
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty, all right, nineteen fifty, nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1: Were there are black people living there in nineteen six
Speaker 1: in Levittown? I don't know there weren't. How do you know?
Speaker 2: Because I read up? Oh you read up?
Speaker 3: You don't know that I do. I can find somebody.
Speaker 1: My point is this even today?
Speaker 2: Why would you want to live there.
Speaker 3: It's a nice place, but it's not a place like you.
Speaker 3: It's not like.
Speaker 1: There because it's the place that built values. What you
Speaker 1: don't understand is there.
Speaker 3: Imagine what millions of black neighborhoods that built value.
Speaker 1: But imagine knowing that you, as an American, as a
Speaker 1: g I who fought in World War two, couldn't buy
Speaker 1: into that because you were less.
Speaker 4: It was you were not there.
Speaker 3: It was unfair, and.
Speaker 1: The residue of that continues today. And that is white privilege.
Speaker 3: It's all right. If you want to say it's white privilege,
Speaker 3: it exists. Fine, but that's not what's happening here in
Speaker 3: contemporary society.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 3: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: If you let me repeat this and I'll do.
Speaker 2: It slowly, all right.
Speaker 3: So even you can understand, if you work hard, if
Speaker 3: you get educated, if you're an honest person, you can
Speaker 3: make it in America.
Speaker 1: If you live in a neighborhood where people are poverty
Speaker 1: is endemic, it's harder to work hard. It's harder to
Speaker 1: get education.
Speaker 3: Hey, it was harder for me than it was for
Speaker 3: the white guy in Garden City. It's all relative Yes,
Speaker 3: it's harder if you're a ghetto kid.
Speaker 2: Yes, But can you do it? Yes, yes you can.
Speaker 1: You can also win the one hundred yard desh on
Speaker 1: one leg.
Speaker 2: But it's harder, all right, and just hard asking is this?
Speaker 2: Here's all I'm asking.
Speaker 1: Here's all I'm asking, because this would go a long
Speaker 1: way towards healing what I think is a huge racial
Speaker 1: issue in our country. Just an acknowledgment of that.
Speaker 3: Fair And I've said it many times on The Factor,
Speaker 3: the highest rated cable news show in the world. All Right,
Speaker 3: the African American is.
Speaker 2: Not Kelly yet.
Speaker 1: Oh she's crushing you, dude, she's crushing you.
Speaker 3: Now you're misleading, discushing you, You're misleading.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is you have misanitizer against you.
Speaker 2: Admit.
Speaker 1: So here's my point. So we've come to agreement. You
Speaker 1: admit that white privilege exists. And while it's not an excuse,
Speaker 1: it does is a reality.
Speaker 3: Exists to any extent where individuals are kept back because
Speaker 3: of their color or promoted because of their color. Look,
Speaker 3: you and I are lucky guys. We made it. We
Speaker 3: worked hard.
Speaker 2: It's not because we're white.
Speaker 3: Wait, well, oh, you think I'm sitting here because I'm white?
Speaker 1: What are you more?
Speaker 3: I'm here because I'm not just not because I'm white.
Speaker 2: No, listen, miss, The point is.
Speaker 1: This when you when you try and when you try
Speaker 1: and reduce it to being solely about that. Absolutely, But
Speaker 1: my point is this, women face this and minorities face this.
Speaker 1: They have to make strategic calculations in their lives that
Speaker 1: white guys never have to make. We never have to
Speaker 1: We never have to worry about walking down certain streets
Speaker 1: because somebody's gonna cat call us. We never have to
Speaker 1: worry about if when we move into a neighborhood we're
Speaker 1: going to be accepted. These are the types of things
Speaker 1: that would tell you didn't have that worried I did.
Speaker 3: If I had a movement, you're naven to be accepted.
Speaker 3: I wasn't accepted anywhere. Look, you're generalizing, and you're you're
Speaker 3: what you're doing is promoting victimhood.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no yet, all right, what you call victim.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is by acknowledging that reality that
Speaker 1: the resentment and just and let's so, what I don't
Speaker 1: understand is why so defensive about it? Why why is
Speaker 1: it that white people get so defensive about this. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that life isn't hard. Middle class white guys
Speaker 1: that are working hard to do what they can and
Speaker 1: they look and they go, I'm not getting any privilege.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about
Speaker 1: is a group of people that were brought here. They
Speaker 1: didn't choose to immigrate here to get that better life.
Speaker 1: And just acknowledge that our countries had a problem with that, and.
Speaker 3: We knowlledge move that who are fair minded. But you
Speaker 3: don't then take that and then condemn the modern society
Speaker 3: because it's condemned.
Speaker 2: Yes you are.
Speaker 3: It's white privilege that makes you successful. I even heard
Speaker 3: it over you know, if you're not a woman.
Speaker 1: It's you know what I'll call it. I'll call it
Speaker 1: this and it's a word. I think you'll understand. A factor.
Speaker 1: It's a factor. It's a factor.
Speaker 3: I'll give you the factor business.
Speaker 2: You did me the factory. So so we're okay.
Speaker 4: Are we on the air?
Speaker 1: We've been on the air the whole time. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something.
Speaker 2: This was This was a.
Speaker 1: Beautiful moment in in healing between between not just black
Speaker 1: and white, jew and Irish, tall and short.
Speaker 2: This This was.
Speaker 1: A historic moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're happy now, Stuart, you're are you happy?
Speaker 1: Happiness is not what comes by me. But let me
Speaker 1: say this, your humility has moved me. You are like
Speaker 1: Pope Francis that has taken the Catholic Church into an
Speaker 1: era of acceptance and humility. You, you, Bill O'Reilly, can
Speaker 1: lead the flock of the fox fearful to a better place.
Speaker 1: I believe in you.
Speaker 2: All right, my guess tonight.
Speaker 1: Former governor of Arkansas, former presidential candidate, also a best
Speaker 1: selling author. His new book is God, Guns, Grits and Gravy,
Speaker 1: which happens to be the name of my theme restaurant.
Speaker 1: Please welcome back to the program, Mike Couckabee, Sir, beautiful hug.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great, good to be back.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. This is all right.
Speaker 1: The book is called God's Guns, Grits and Gravy. You
Speaker 1: you have a show on Foxes. You had a show.
Speaker 4: I had a show.
Speaker 1: How long did you have it?
Speaker 6: For six and a half years and you and you quit?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: One for president?
Speaker 4: Well, very likely, very possible.
Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you something. Go back and
Speaker 1: beg them for you have made a terrible, terrible what.
Speaker 2: Are you doing.
Speaker 6: See that's the view of the people who live in
Speaker 6: the bubbleville that I talk about in this book.
Speaker 1: What do you mean America?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: Now, the whole point is that there are there's a
Speaker 6: real clash of cultures, and there is a disconnect between
Speaker 6: people who live in the bubbles of New York, Washington,
Speaker 6: and Hollywood versus the people who live in the land
Speaker 6: of the bubbas.
Speaker 1: It sounds like there's an idea that there is a
Speaker 1: sense of like, well, people who live on the coasts
Speaker 1: are not real that you're talking about, Like the bubbas
Speaker 1: are real and we're not.
Speaker 6: No, it's not a matter of reality. It's a matter
Speaker 6: of different perspective. I'll give you an example. Sure, there's
Speaker 6: a big difference between people who are well educated than
Speaker 6: people who are smart, and a lot of people who
Speaker 6: are very well educated who are 's say, the Harvard
Speaker 6: faculty believe that the people who live out in this
Speaker 6: part of the world where I live and fly over country,
Speaker 6: those red states that people think most people are nuts.
Speaker 1: But you believe that the bubbas are better than the bubbles.
Speaker 2: No different, no better.
Speaker 4: I want to explain.
Speaker 6: Who we are to the people who live in the bubbles.
Speaker 6: Because those of us who live in Bubbaville, we get
Speaker 6: the people in the bubbles, because all the television shows
Speaker 6: and movies are.
Speaker 4: All about the people in the bubbles.
Speaker 6: You don't six and a half years, I've come to
Speaker 6: New York and I've seen the difference in the attitudes
Speaker 6: and lifestyles and culture. It's not that one is better.
Speaker 6: You believe it would be Bubbaville. Here's what I would
Speaker 6: take that point about it.
Speaker 1: But this feels like it's a contrivance. There's no real
Speaker 1: Bubbleville and Bubbaville. You have this idea of the Hollywood
Speaker 1: culture and the example you sort of use Jay Z
Speaker 1: and Beyonce as an example of that. You view that
Speaker 1: as a sort of a permissiveness that you think is
Speaker 1: not great for our children. Is that is that correct?
Speaker 4: Well, it was one page out of a tree.
Speaker 1: But it's representative of that ideas illustrated.
Speaker 4: To a chapter called the culture of Crude.
Speaker 6: And here's the point that I was making with right
Speaker 6: with the whole Beyonce is such a mega talent. She
Speaker 6: can do anything. I mean she really She's got the
Speaker 6: pipes to sing exactly, She's got the moves to dance.
Speaker 6: She does not have to go to she doesn't have
Speaker 6: to be vulgar in order to set a trend exactly.
Speaker 1: And you see that as indicative of the difference between
Speaker 1: Bubbaville and Bubbleville, because we are more permissive in that way, right.
Speaker 6: Not necessarily, it's that the thing that disturbs me. Let's
Speaker 6: say about when you see Beyonce, who is a role
Speaker 6: model to young girls, young girls sure to be like her.
Speaker 6: Do you know any parent who has a daughter that says, honey,
Speaker 6: if you make really good grades, someday when you're twelve
Speaker 6: or thirteen, will get you your own stripper poll.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, John, we don't.
Speaker 1: Think that's diminishing beyond away. That's that's truly a great
Speaker 1: much so that it is. But now here's where I'm
Speaker 1: going to show you something. Okay, here's the blind spot
Speaker 1: are Bubbaville?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: All this stuff about the culture and it's so insidious
Speaker 1: and it's just you don't have to do that. This
Speaker 1: is a clip from a very wholesome show on Fox News.
Speaker 4: I know where you're going with this.
Speaker 1: I hope you did.
Speaker 4: I do play the clip, okay, I.
Speaker 3: With a stroke of my hand.
Speaker 2: They know they get it for me. No, just live
Speaker 2: a decent man.
Speaker 3: They know you.
Speaker 1: Just stand So that is a song called cat Scratch
Speaker 1: Fever the bass player. There was a gentleman by the
Speaker 1: name of Mike Huckabee that is on a show in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day that children can watch. And
Speaker 1: that's not about that, ain't about bacteria.
Speaker 2: It's not no.
Speaker 1: But do you see my point? You excuse that type
Speaker 1: of crudeness because you agree with his stance on firearms. Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't approve of Beyonce because she seems alien to you.
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash shot a man just.
Speaker 1: To watch him die.
Speaker 2: Let me respond, however, some gangs.
Speaker 4: You please, Let me respond.
Speaker 6: When Ted Nugent did that song nineteen seventy eight, never
Speaker 6: got nominated for a Grammy. He didn't perform it on
Speaker 6: national television. In fact, you know what the song of
Speaker 6: the year that was, or that year was. It was
Speaker 6: a tie between Evergreen and You Light Up My Life
Speaker 6: and John Denver hosted the Grammys. My point is that
Speaker 6: song is an adult song geared for adults. But today
Speaker 6: we have a very different kind of depiction and things
Speaker 6: that are considered perfectly okay for kids point.
Speaker 4: That's the difference.
Speaker 1: You can't single out a corrosive culture and ignore the
Speaker 1: one that you live in because you're used to it
Speaker 1: and you don't feel that.
Speaker 6: I want you to read the book and find did
Speaker 6: you okay.
Speaker 1: It ain't Shakespeare, No, it's it's no.
Speaker 6: I did not write this for the Harvard factor, because
Speaker 6: that might be over their.
Speaker 1: Heads the way that you use the term Harvard as
Speaker 1: a derogative. It blows is a.
Speaker 4: Wonderful place, however.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but don't you think you're using it as
Speaker 1: a derivati. Look you're saying, you know those professors at
Speaker 1: Harvard that are experts in their fields, like, it's.
Speaker 2: No, it's weird.
Speaker 6: I've spoken at Harvard's bright kids there. But here's the point.
Speaker 6: Sometimes people who have lived in that world believe that
Speaker 6: the education that they have is absolutely so superior to
Speaker 6: the education that somebody may get out there in the
Speaker 6: interior of the country at a state school.
Speaker 1: Now, let me just say, don't you feel that people
Speaker 1: who live in other parts of the country believe the
Speaker 1: education they got, whether it be on a farm or
Speaker 1: in a thing, is superior. Isn't that my whole point?
Speaker 4: That's why such which believes that.
Speaker 1: They are somehow different from the other.
Speaker 4: But there's a reference.
Speaker 6: And this is the point I made, is there's a
Speaker 6: difference between education and smart. If you your car breaks
Speaker 6: down in the middle of the night on the country road,
Speaker 6: who do you want coming by an NBA and a
Speaker 6: beamer or do you want a couple of good old
Speaker 6: boys in a pickup truck with a toolbox in the back.
Speaker 4: Just tell me which fun.
Speaker 1: Both of those scenarios feel very frightening.
Speaker 4: The men, and they probably should.
Speaker 2: I want God, Guns, Grits, and Grave and gravy.
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