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Speaker 1: And in fact, my wife and I and were remarking,

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Speaker 1: It was so classless, and I know we're all exhausted

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Speaker 1: And he broke it right. He is exploiting this moment.

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Speaker 1: As Donald Trump did about this, there are many people,

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