WEBVTT - RHOA: Reboot or Retool 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.760 That's right. You can buy your Allegedly and my Boys. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:14.480 Mugs, T shirts, rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.360 on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:18.279 That's right. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.480 Get your hoodies, your T shirts, and your mugs all 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.040 on Carlos Kingshop dot com. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.360 Welcome to Reality with the King. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.400 It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.240 one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.559 television with over ten years of production experience. Once a 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.320 week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.279 my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.239 and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.680 tweeting about. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:58.280 Hey, rain Drives. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.480 On today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm here 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.320 with New York Times best selling author Michael Arsenal as 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.320 he and I talk about the Real Housewives of Atlanta 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:17.720 and this demand for reboot or not so. Michael also 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.320 wrote an article for The Huntington Post where the title 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:29.600 is our HOA is so underwhelming it needs to be revamped. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.000 Our range Drops, I am a rain Drops, so happy 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.240 to be here. You know I listen to the part. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:42.040 So again, the title is our HOA is so underwhelming 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:46.520 it needs to be revamped, invented, beat is not that entertaining, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:52.960 and Bravo has two options to fix this show. So Michael, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.800 I'm assuming you're not into the current season. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.360 No, no, no, And I know some of the girls 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.240 are really trying, but can I actually just start? 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.000 I mean, Drew is a lovely person. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.920 I wish anybody that was married to that man will 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.359 But like, I don't believe anything she ever says. It's 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.560 like watching a too Be or Tyler Perry parody of 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.880 Real Housewives of Atlanta, Like I don't know what to believe. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.520 Like I understand she's dealing with stuff, but like their dad, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.840 like Marlowe, I'm happy she finally got a peach. I 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.680 actually long rooted for that, but honestly, and it's gonna 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.720 sound worse than the shit, but she would have been 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.639 a better main character five or ten years ago when 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.600 she had a deeper relationship with. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.560 Women on the cast. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.280 I really enjoy actually watching her with her nephews. But 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.000 I don't understand, like the thing with Candymn, like, girl, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.640 you're not mad the chef. I don't know if I 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.959 believe that, but okay, and Kenya was not lying about 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.560 it's not a scooter, but the thing that gets you up. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.000 The lad a partner plas, Yeah, the chairlift. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.880 Yes, And I was like, oh, she does have one, Okay, Yeah, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.440 I just think the show and I don't necessarily really, 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.320 I mean, I do think Drew has kind of brought 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:04.320 down the value of the show. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:09.959 Respectfully, you're saying that Drew Sidora brought down the value 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:10.560 of the show. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.680 Yeah, Like, in some ways it's a good look for her, 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.240 and I don't deny that she hasn't provided drama to 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.600 the show. Again, like, it's really hard to believe her 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.520 because she lies, she'd be lying, like it's not I 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.080 don't know what to believe. I truly don't know what 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.360 to believe. And I actually still really don't like this 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.080 whole idea we're caught up in, like whether or not 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.080 she kissed a woman. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.320 And I can understand maybe, I mean, I wrote a book. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.880 I can I get the religious conflict with some of 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.320 that stuff, if that's all true. But it's like we're 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.840 looking she lies, like Donald Trump. It's like we're looking 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.400 at something with our playing eyes. And she will tell 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.960 you that it did not happen. I think she's a 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.480 good actress, but I think she should be acting, Like 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.000 I think Drew should being more scripted stuff. I should 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.000 Drew should be in more plays, dush be on TV. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.440 Like she has a nice voice. I remember she was 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.400 pushing the originally back in the arts, but like it's 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.080 not really good on the show. I don't know what 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.839 to believe. But like, literally she lies like Trump, it's 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:05.680 the same thing. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:06.320 I don't. 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.040 It's like I would, I genuinely wish her will, but 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.240 I just don't know what I'm watching. And like even 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.440 on the finale, I'm feeling bad, but I'm like, is 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:16.200 this even real? 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.440 I'm like candy and scene. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.719 First of all, I'm still stuck on you calling Drew 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.520 Drew Ivanka Trump. So Drew, your new name right now 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.440 is Drew Banka Trump. Michael is alleging that all you 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.279 do is lie, lie, lie, all the time, and you 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.000 are a beautiful girl with a great voice, and you 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.560 should be acting. First of all, congrats on the past. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.520 People are saying it was a great movie and that 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.359 Drew did well, so you may be onto something In 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.560 terms of should Drew stick to acting. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.159 So let me unpack this a bit. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.920 One thing I want the world to know is you 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.039 are a die hard fan of the Real Housewives of Atlanta. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.800 The reason why you and I know each other is 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.760 because we have a mutual named Tiffany, and Tiffany would 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.719 say to me like, you got to meet my friend Michael. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.240 He's amazing. He is obsessed with the Real house Parts 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.680 of Atlanta. This is back when I was short running 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.880 the show. So you're not somebody who just started watching it. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.080 You haven'ten watching it since season one. So when you 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.960 say you think Drew brought down the value of the show, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:24.480 and you're giving your examples, what was it about the 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.479 earlier days of The Real Housewives of Atlanta that made 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.200 your die hard fan to now to where you're not 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.240 seeing it anymore. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.240 I mean when initially started, it was I mean, there's 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.359 nothing like you see on TV. People like Nani like 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.200 you can't find that anywhere, and I understand, like shows transition, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.600 I looked at like now essentially because. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.200 I know the ratings are still solid. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.120 I'm sure they really do well on Peacock, but ultimately, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.800 like the soap opera and sometimes soap operas, kind of like, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.520 lose this thing a little bit and you need a 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.040 bit of a shape. I just think with Drew, and 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.760 it's kind of like, I know that sounds harsh, like 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.680 bringing down the value, butultimately the show was about friends 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.880 or people who were close enough to be friends for 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.080 casting agents, and they have this relationship and they share 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.159 actual parts of the lives, and like the conflict and 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.160 the drama, it all feels more natural. Drew came in 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.920 really hot the first season, and I mean most audiences 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.200 didn't know what to do with her or route. I 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.760 think Seconcies were a little bit better but for her. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.360 But now I'm just kind of remembering them. I don't 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.520 know what to believe with you, and so there's her. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.600 But then ultimately with the show, I just think they're 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.520 not friends. They're not friends. They don't really have any 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.960 real connection with each other. And I think just kind 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.440 of pulling digging in the crate, so to speak, and 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.720 pulling in old cast members doesn't necessarily work if you're 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.120 only if you I mean like if Nani's not coming back, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.279 there's only so many people you can pull through poorsh 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.320 you would essentially work, I will say in Hans when 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.920 I heard Candy and Ken they on your show say 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.000 that she doesn't think they both said they don't think 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.120 of full rebolt could work. As soon as I heard 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.360 them say it, I kind of thought, maybe that's true, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:05.120 if only unlike New York and like a black social 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.640 circle like that, no matter the age, someone probably already 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.320 knows someone else. Okay, well, maybe do Miami or OC 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.040 or like season five reboot of New York because it's 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.680 just I think a lot of people watch it because 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960 we've been watching it for years and now again like 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.440 a soap opera, but it's still and actually I don't 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.240 rush to watch it now. It's just y'all don't like 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.880 each other, y'all fighting over nothing. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:31.760 No one's sharing the. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.400 Most aren't sharing the actual details of what's going on 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.120 in their lives. And then we watched people argue about 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.200 stuff from three years ago that wasn't an issue then. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:42.840 But we thought it was set up. But it's just 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.680 like what am I watching? Y' don't like each other, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.240 y'all lying. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.400 I agree with you this since listen, I've been a 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.600 part of that show since season one and I left 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.239 season nine, and what I can't say to you Michael 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.560 is what made the show so successful out the gate 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:03.920 was these big personalities, but bigger storylines, bigger storylines. You 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.840 had Charade dealing with the crux of a divorce, like 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.600 going through a divorce, possibly losing her home because in 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.440 the in the divorce proceedings, Bob Wills at the time 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.800 was battling child support and alimony and all these things. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.200 You had Nimi deal with oneting to search for her father. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.160 Is this my real father? Is it not? 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.120 You had Kim Zosiak dating a man who was still married, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.720 this serious guy who's buying her escalade, who's buying her. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.199 Rolexis thank you Papa? 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.359 You know Deshaun Snow who was married to a basketball 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:49.240 star in this big, gigantic house. She had maids, servants, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.720 nanny chefs, and you were like, what is what about 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:59.200 watching here? Then it kept being the stakes kept being 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.880 increased with with the dishes of Candy and Cynthia and Phedra. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:08.920 I think Kenya Moore came in important. It elevated throughout 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.240 the course of the season. Yeah, And what I'm hearing 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:18.720 from you that I am agreen with is every season 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.839 of that show since season one, the stakes were raised 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.360 higher to the point where when certain people were let go, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.080 you didn't miss them because you elevated the show with 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.720 the additional cast members. And we were on this ride, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.120 and we're on this journey, and I think, and I'm 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.720 going to say this, I never said this publicly. I 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:47.280 think the moment that Kim Fields was cast, yeah, oh man, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.440 I think we all said, where is this show going now? 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:57.000 Because are we casting I call it stunt casting? Are 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.800 we casting somebody because they happened to have a name, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:06.480 being a household name like a Kim Fields, where anybody 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:11.040 within two seconds of seeing Kim Fields around that cast 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.560 would have said, this is a bad idea. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.839 Now the work like we love her, leave her long, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.040 go to work him, don't do this. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:24.040 Kim's directing Movies actually has a hits Netflix called The Upshaws, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.319 And this is something I said to Kim Fields director. 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.160 But I'm like, you don't belong on this show. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.720 And it's no shade to Kim Fields. Kim Fields not 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.840 everybody's meant to be a reality star. So I feel 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.240 like that was the moment and I was a part 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.360 of it then, right, But I was like, where are 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.040 we going with? Like I don't know about this, and 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.320 now I think we're filling the same thing with the 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.400 new additions. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:52.280 Yeah, because I just well, I know how people Clunini 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.760 have thoughts about Candy, but I'll say I can tell 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.640 from being in a girl groups on assuming she knows 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.960 how to be an ensemble. Ultimately, she knows the role 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.800 that she's playing. Kenya knows the role that she's playing. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.080 She's clearly bored and they're not using the footage she provided, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.040 which I do think people want to see. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:15.360 I want to see it. The new Sla. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.520 Richard's ross is lovely, her husband is amazing to look at. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.320 She reminds me of Deshaun Snowing that you're very nice 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.880 what you're doing here. I know because of a friend, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.160 like how important she is in track. I'm like, you're 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:35.000 an Olympian, you are like on NBC Sports. I think 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.840 the last episode in the finale was probably her best 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.320 episode that I've seen. But I just I don't know 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.360 how she mixed in the group. Also do even Charae. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.679 I noticed this season she was being more black and anchor, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.960 but like I mentioned the article, that's not really her 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:56.520 natural position. She's more of like poster or bone collector something, 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.400 you know, Shade, It's not that. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.680 Courtney, I don't think that. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.800 I mean, she that stuff about Drew was nasty, but 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.040 generally she seems like a nice man that shouldn't be there, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.560 like a fan of the show who wanted to jump 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.640 in and like almost like og on basketball. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.760 I can already hit a sweep the messages to that. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:19.640 But you know. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.760 Someone that knows how already they feel about the show, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.319 and you can tell as I mean, I get it. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.200 It becomes more formalic in that a lot of people 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.120 are trying to self produce. I just think most of 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.120 the people self producing aren't good at that, And she's 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.240 just for all the manufactured drama and like all that stuff. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.720 I really truly think the most interesting things about the 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.040 show are when the people on the show are have 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.839 relationships with each other and they're just telling us what's 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.160 going on and didn't even go back to your question. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.360 That really is just the difference. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.959 Like this whole season has gone by, I don't really 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:53.760 really know what's going on with Candy. I know, and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.600 I wouldn't know what's going on with Keny from the show, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.680 but I know from you, and to be blunt speak 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.800 of that, and your have been like more entertaining than 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.880 the episodes and the chatter around the show this season 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:09.080 because everyone's like, what is this? I just think every 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.120 people are there ready to work, but this is just 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:12.440 not the right mix of people. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.520 I had to stop watching because for two reasons. One, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.440 you're absolutely right when the show has been on for 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.600 more than a decade. At that point, it's a habit 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:29.240 for anybody all over the world to know that at 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.840 eight o'clock PM on a Sunday, you're watching Bravo. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.080 I think we all know that. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.240 I think every network knows that any show we create, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.000 we run the risk of it competing against people's patterns 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.599 of behavior of watching the Atlanta Housewives eight o'clock on 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.640 a Sunday. So let's not put a brand new show 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.400 to compete against that time slot because we want people 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.679 to watch. So we all know that, and I think 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.800 all of us are watching it out of habit, which 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:07.040 is why the ratings are stabilized. I'll say this, it 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.560 is similar to a soap opera. You know, Honey, at 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.880 twelve thirty, the Young and the rest is coming on, 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:14.959 and at one thirty you get the both and the 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.560 beautiful like you just know that, you know that back 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:23.800 in the day, four PM was Oprah. That it was, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.760 It was, it was, It was a habit. I stopped 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:35.000 watching because I felt myself being disappointed week after week 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:41.240 because I come from producing this show and I know 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:46.240 what it takes for that show to be great, and 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:51.000 I'm watching a show I was once associated with where listen, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.280 there's been seasons where it wasn't the greatest, but it 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.880 was sustainable to watch, like, Okay. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.800 I can watch this. I would do that. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.720 It was something about this season that I was like, 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.720 I can watch this, And is what you said, Michael. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.120 You guys aren't friends. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.040 You guys aren't friends, and you're forced to be around 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:20.480 each other. You just don't want to be around each other. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.760 And no one's giving great personal story. 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HelloFresh America's number 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:46.720 one meal kit. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.840 This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.959 Let's get back into the show. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.199 Why are you blocked by King? Ya the icono? 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.320 I don't know, because I don't usually at the celebrity. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.000 I don't like they don't need to see my disapproval 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.160 or whatever. I'm just tweeting whatever I think. Maybe when 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.720 I used to use the hashtag when Twitter was really going, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:13.000 maybe she said something like em but that said last 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.280 season was not great. She was the best part of 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:20.159 a not great season. And this season I really have 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.480 so much empathy for her because she should be given 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.760 better material to work with. And I really like what 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.639 you pulled out of her in her interview, or just 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.200 maybe she felt more comfortable opening up in that way. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.440 I actually really enjoy KNY. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.480 I'm very happy about her hair Caroline and like expanding 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.199 all the stores. I love watching her with her daughter. 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.200 It's really really sweet and I have a better appreciation 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:46.520 for her. 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:47.040 She was she. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.760 Played the role of villain, so I responded, how you 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.080 respond to a villain? I guess when you're watching if 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.520 that's not your favorite. But I have a better appreciation 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.840 for her on the show, and I can tell why 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.239 she's so bored. It was very interesting to watch how 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.960 vocal she was about what she had to deal with. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.280 I was very surprised, but it's right to bring out 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.040 that energy in a better way with a revamped season 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:09.000 for show. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.520 Sorry, no listen, I agree. 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.760 A lot of people have said that my interview with 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.480 Kenya made them see her in a different light, and 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.919 I was happy to hear that because Kenya is someone 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.520 who I love and a door on a personal level, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.359 like personally, that's the Kingya that I see every day. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:32.600 And when I was working with her, she never once 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.160 gave me any talk back. 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.520 She never yelled at me, she never argued with me. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.760 Even when she disagreed with me, she would do in 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:46.960 a very respectful way. I knew when she was disappointed 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:54.359 in me giving my feedback, and she would say, okay, boss, okay, 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.200 and you know it's it's it's like a parent and 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.560 a child and I felt so bad, like, oh God, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.480 did I break her heart? Because she's such a perfectionist 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.720 and she wants to always do a good job. And 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.160 it bothers me that people think she's this evil person 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.760 and I'm like, Honey, there's other evil people that's been 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.520 on that show that deserves that title. Kenya Moore's not 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.280 one of them at all. She's a sweetheart. And I 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.880 do mean it when I say a show without Kenya Moore, 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.879 what the fuck am I watching? Do you agree with that? 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.680 Michael, Yes, honestly, if they don't, I don't. Actually, again, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.960 I don't know if the full reboot could actually they 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.720 could pull that off, but I would at least keep 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:47.399 Kenya and Candy, maybe like a Cynthia and Chary and 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.200 certain roles depending on how that goes. But I would 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.120 if they build around like a Miami style or even 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.040 whatever you show you want to point to. I think 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.159 Kenya and Kandy are pretty vital. I think Candy is 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.080 just en listening to you, and so is Keny is 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.920 also be a really good performer. And I also think 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.440 if she wanted to show more of that side that 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.760 we saw in your interview, like that's just and in 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.119 her business. I think other think there's a lot that 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.639 you can do with Kenya on the show. She is like, 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.760 they're the de facto stars carrying the franchise. However, people 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.360 who should still be there or not. I think those 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.600 two are kind of hard to replace, especially which I 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.880 can imagine if you like, I can't imagine. It's hard 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:31.640 to cast that show in Atlanta, Oh breaking news nine 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:32.879 way so hard to cast. 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:38.359 And Michael, to you and to my audience, as somebody 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.200 who was there a part of casting, The Real Housewives 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:47.160 of Atlanta is the number one show of all shows 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:51.040 across the realities. I guys, the Real Housewives of Atlanta 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.040 is the hardest show to cast. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:56.200 It's hard. 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.880 There's people there who I would love to do the show. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.000 When I was a part of the show, I would 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.600 call like my celebrity friends like, look, bitch, you want 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.600 to do the show? And they would say to me, 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.680 and I'm just telling you the truth. I'm not doing 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.720 that ratchet ass show. 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.600