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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm here
Speaker 1: with New York Times best selling author Michael Arsenal as
Speaker 1: he and I talk about the Real Housewives of Atlanta
Speaker 1: and this demand for reboot or not so. Michael also
Speaker 1: wrote an article for The Huntington Post where the title
Speaker 1: is our HOA is so underwhelming it needs to be revamped.
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Speaker 1: So again, the title is our HOA is so underwhelming
Speaker 1: it needs to be revamped, invented, beat is not that entertaining,
Speaker 1: and Bravo has two options to fix this show. So Michael,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're not into the current season.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, And I know some of the girls
Speaker 3: are really trying, but can I actually just start?
Speaker 4: I mean, Drew is a lovely person.
Speaker 3: I wish anybody that was married to that man will
Speaker 3: But like, I don't believe anything she ever says. It's
Speaker 3: like watching a too Be or Tyler Perry parody of
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Atlanta, Like I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 3: Like I understand she's dealing with stuff, but like their dad,
Speaker 3: like Marlowe, I'm happy she finally got a peach. I
Speaker 3: actually long rooted for that, but honestly, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: sound worse than the shit, but she would have been
Speaker 3: a better main character five or ten years ago when
Speaker 3: she had a deeper relationship with.
Speaker 4: Women on the cast.
Speaker 3: I really enjoy actually watching her with her nephews. But
Speaker 3: I don't understand, like the thing with Candymn, like, girl,
Speaker 3: you're not mad the chef. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: believe that, but okay, and Kenya was not lying about
Speaker 3: it's not a scooter, but the thing that gets you up.
Speaker 4: The lad a partner plas, Yeah, the chairlift.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I was like, oh, she does have one, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just think the show and I don't necessarily really,
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think Drew has kind of brought
Speaker 3: down the value of the show.
Speaker 1: Respectfully, you're saying that Drew Sidora brought down the value
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, in some ways it's a good look for her,
Speaker 3: and I don't deny that she hasn't provided drama to
Speaker 3: the show. Again, like, it's really hard to believe her
Speaker 3: because she lies, she'd be lying, like it's not I
Speaker 3: don't know what to believe. I truly don't know what
Speaker 3: to believe. And I actually still really don't like this
Speaker 3: whole idea we're caught up in, like whether or not
Speaker 3: she kissed a woman.
Speaker 4: And I can understand maybe, I mean, I wrote a book.
Speaker 3: I can I get the religious conflict with some of
Speaker 3: that stuff, if that's all true. But it's like we're
Speaker 3: looking she lies, like Donald Trump. It's like we're looking
Speaker 3: at something with our playing eyes. And she will tell
Speaker 3: you that it did not happen. I think she's a
Speaker 3: good actress, but I think she should be acting, Like
Speaker 3: I think Drew should being more scripted stuff. I should
Speaker 3: Drew should be in more plays, dush be on TV.
Speaker 3: Like she has a nice voice. I remember she was
Speaker 3: pushing the originally back in the arts, but like it's
Speaker 3: not really good on the show. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to believe. But like, literally she lies like Trump, it's
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: It's like I would, I genuinely wish her will, but
Speaker 3: I just don't know what I'm watching. And like even
Speaker 3: on the finale, I'm feeling bad, but I'm like, is
Speaker 3: this even real?
Speaker 4: I'm like candy and scene.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm still stuck on you calling Drew
Speaker 1: Drew Ivanka Trump. So Drew, your new name right now
Speaker 1: is Drew Banka Trump. Michael is alleging that all you
Speaker 1: do is lie, lie, lie, all the time, and you
Speaker 1: are a beautiful girl with a great voice, and you
Speaker 1: should be acting. First of all, congrats on the past.
Speaker 1: People are saying it was a great movie and that
Speaker 1: Drew did well, so you may be onto something In
Speaker 1: terms of should Drew stick to acting.
Speaker 2: So let me unpack this a bit.
Speaker 1: One thing I want the world to know is you
Speaker 1: are a die hard fan of the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: The reason why you and I know each other is
Speaker 1: because we have a mutual named Tiffany, and Tiffany would
Speaker 1: say to me like, you got to meet my friend Michael.
Speaker 1: He's amazing. He is obsessed with the Real house Parts
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. This is back when I was short running
Speaker 1: the show. So you're not somebody who just started watching it.
Speaker 1: You haven'ten watching it since season one. So when you
Speaker 1: say you think Drew brought down the value of the show,
Speaker 1: and you're giving your examples, what was it about the
Speaker 1: earlier days of The Real Housewives of Atlanta that made
Speaker 1: your die hard fan to now to where you're not
Speaker 1: seeing it anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean when initially started, it was I mean, there's
Speaker 3: nothing like you see on TV. People like Nani like
Speaker 3: you can't find that anywhere, and I understand, like shows transition,
Speaker 3: I looked at like now essentially because.
Speaker 4: I know the ratings are still solid.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they really do well on Peacock, but ultimately,
Speaker 3: like the soap opera and sometimes soap operas, kind of like,
Speaker 3: lose this thing a little bit and you need a
Speaker 3: bit of a shape. I just think with Drew, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, I know that sounds harsh, like
Speaker 3: bringing down the value, butultimately the show was about friends
Speaker 3: or people who were close enough to be friends for
Speaker 3: casting agents, and they have this relationship and they share
Speaker 3: actual parts of the lives, and like the conflict and
Speaker 3: the drama, it all feels more natural. Drew came in
Speaker 3: really hot the first season, and I mean most audiences
Speaker 3: didn't know what to do with her or route. I
Speaker 3: think Seconcies were a little bit better but for her.
Speaker 3: But now I'm just kind of remembering them. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to believe with you, and so there's her.
Speaker 3: But then ultimately with the show, I just think they're
Speaker 3: not friends. They're not friends. They don't really have any
Speaker 3: real connection with each other. And I think just kind
Speaker 3: of pulling digging in the crate, so to speak, and
Speaker 3: pulling in old cast members doesn't necessarily work if you're
Speaker 3: only if you I mean like if Nani's not coming back,
Speaker 3: there's only so many people you can pull through poorsh
Speaker 3: you would essentially work, I will say in Hans when
Speaker 3: I heard Candy and Ken they on your show say
Speaker 3: that she doesn't think they both said they don't think
Speaker 3: of full rebolt could work. As soon as I heard
Speaker 3: them say it, I kind of thought, maybe that's true,
Speaker 3: if only unlike New York and like a black social
Speaker 3: circle like that, no matter the age, someone probably already
Speaker 3: knows someone else. Okay, well, maybe do Miami or OC
Speaker 3: or like season five reboot of New York because it's
Speaker 3: just I think a lot of people watch it because
Speaker 3: we've been watching it for years and now again like
Speaker 3: a soap opera, but it's still and actually I don't
Speaker 3: rush to watch it now. It's just y'all don't like
Speaker 3: each other, y'all fighting over nothing.
Speaker 4: No one's sharing the.
Speaker 3: Most aren't sharing the actual details of what's going on
Speaker 3: in their lives. And then we watched people argue about
Speaker 3: stuff from three years ago that wasn't an issue then.
Speaker 4: But we thought it was set up. But it's just
Speaker 4: like what am I watching? Y' don't like each other,
Speaker 4: y'all lying.
Speaker 1: I agree with you this since listen, I've been a
Speaker 1: part of that show since season one and I left
Speaker 1: season nine, and what I can't say to you Michael
Speaker 1: is what made the show so successful out the gate
Speaker 1: was these big personalities, but bigger storylines, bigger storylines. You
Speaker 1: had Charade dealing with the crux of a divorce, like
Speaker 1: going through a divorce, possibly losing her home because in
Speaker 1: the in the divorce proceedings, Bob Wills at the time
Speaker 1: was battling child support and alimony and all these things.
Speaker 1: You had Nimi deal with oneting to search for her father.
Speaker 2: Is this my real father? Is it not?
Speaker 1: You had Kim Zosiak dating a man who was still married,
Speaker 1: this serious guy who's buying her escalade, who's buying her.
Speaker 2: Rolexis thank you Papa?
Speaker 1: You know Deshaun Snow who was married to a basketball
Speaker 1: star in this big, gigantic house. She had maids, servants,
Speaker 1: nanny chefs, and you were like, what is what about
Speaker 1: watching here? Then it kept being the stakes kept being
Speaker 1: increased with with the dishes of Candy and Cynthia and Phedra.
Speaker 1: I think Kenya Moore came in important. It elevated throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season. Yeah, And what I'm hearing
Speaker 1: from you that I am agreen with is every season
Speaker 1: of that show since season one, the stakes were raised
Speaker 1: higher to the point where when certain people were let go,
Speaker 1: you didn't miss them because you elevated the show with
Speaker 1: the additional cast members. And we were on this ride,
Speaker 1: and we're on this journey, and I think, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to say this, I never said this publicly. I
Speaker 1: think the moment that Kim Fields was cast, yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: I think we all said, where is this show going now?
Speaker 1: Because are we casting I call it stunt casting? Are
Speaker 1: we casting somebody because they happened to have a name,
Speaker 1: being a household name like a Kim Fields, where anybody
Speaker 1: within two seconds of seeing Kim Fields around that cast
Speaker 1: would have said, this is a bad idea.
Speaker 4: Now the work like we love her, leave her long,
Speaker 4: go to work him, don't do this.
Speaker 1: Kim's directing Movies actually has a hits Netflix called The Upshaws,
Speaker 1: And this is something I said to Kim Fields director.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, you don't belong on this show.
Speaker 1: And it's no shade to Kim Fields. Kim Fields not
Speaker 1: everybody's meant to be a reality star. So I feel
Speaker 1: like that was the moment and I was a part
Speaker 1: of it then, right, But I was like, where are
Speaker 1: we going with? Like I don't know about this, and
Speaker 1: now I think we're filling the same thing with the
Speaker 1: new additions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I just well, I know how people Clunini
Speaker 3: have thoughts about Candy, but I'll say I can tell
Speaker 3: from being in a girl groups on assuming she knows
Speaker 3: how to be an ensemble. Ultimately, she knows the role
Speaker 3: that she's playing. Kenya knows the role that she's playing.
Speaker 3: She's clearly bored and they're not using the footage she provided,
Speaker 3: which I do think people want to see.
Speaker 4: I want to see it. The new Sla.
Speaker 3: Richard's ross is lovely, her husband is amazing to look at.
Speaker 3: She reminds me of Deshaun Snowing that you're very nice
Speaker 3: what you're doing here. I know because of a friend,
Speaker 3: like how important she is in track. I'm like, you're
Speaker 3: an Olympian, you are like on NBC Sports. I think
Speaker 3: the last episode in the finale was probably her best
Speaker 3: episode that I've seen. But I just I don't know
Speaker 3: how she mixed in the group. Also do even Charae.
Speaker 3: I noticed this season she was being more black and anchor,
Speaker 3: but like I mentioned the article, that's not really her
Speaker 3: natural position. She's more of like poster or bone collector something,
Speaker 3: you know, Shade, It's not that.
Speaker 4: Courtney, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: I mean, she that stuff about Drew was nasty, but
Speaker 3: generally she seems like a nice man that shouldn't be there,
Speaker 3: like a fan of the show who wanted to jump
Speaker 3: in and like almost like og on basketball.
Speaker 4: I can already hit a sweep the messages to that.
Speaker 4: But you know.
Speaker 3: Someone that knows how already they feel about the show,
Speaker 3: and you can tell as I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: It becomes more formalic in that a lot of people
Speaker 3: are trying to self produce. I just think most of
Speaker 3: the people self producing aren't good at that, And she's
Speaker 3: just for all the manufactured drama and like all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I really truly think the most interesting things about the
Speaker 3: show are when the people on the show are have
Speaker 3: relationships with each other and they're just telling us what's
Speaker 3: going on and didn't even go back to your question.
Speaker 4: That really is just the difference.
Speaker 3: Like this whole season has gone by, I don't really
Speaker 3: really know what's going on with Candy. I know, and
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what's going on with Keny from the show,
Speaker 3: but I know from you, and to be blunt speak
Speaker 3: of that, and your have been like more entertaining than
Speaker 3: the episodes and the chatter around the show this season
Speaker 3: because everyone's like, what is this? I just think every
Speaker 3: people are there ready to work, but this is just
Speaker 3: not the right mix of people.
Speaker 1: I had to stop watching because for two reasons. One,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right when the show has been on for
Speaker 1: more than a decade. At that point, it's a habit
Speaker 1: for anybody all over the world to know that at
Speaker 1: eight o'clock PM on a Sunday, you're watching Bravo.
Speaker 2: I think we all know that.
Speaker 1: I think every network knows that any show we create,
Speaker 1: we run the risk of it competing against people's patterns
Speaker 1: of behavior of watching the Atlanta Housewives eight o'clock on
Speaker 1: a Sunday. So let's not put a brand new show
Speaker 1: to compete against that time slot because we want people
Speaker 1: to watch. So we all know that, and I think
Speaker 1: all of us are watching it out of habit, which
Speaker 1: is why the ratings are stabilized. I'll say this, it
Speaker 1: is similar to a soap opera. You know, Honey, at
Speaker 1: twelve thirty, the Young and the rest is coming on,
Speaker 1: and at one thirty you get the both and the
Speaker 1: beautiful like you just know that, you know that back
Speaker 1: in the day, four PM was Oprah. That it was,
Speaker 1: It was, it was, It was a habit. I stopped
Speaker 1: watching because I felt myself being disappointed week after week
Speaker 1: because I come from producing this show and I know
Speaker 1: what it takes for that show to be great, and
Speaker 1: I'm watching a show I was once associated with where listen,
Speaker 1: there's been seasons where it wasn't the greatest, but it
Speaker 1: was sustainable to watch, like, Okay.
Speaker 2: I can watch this. I would do that.
Speaker 1: It was something about this season that I was like,
Speaker 1: I can watch this, And is what you said, Michael.
Speaker 2: You guys aren't friends.
Speaker 1: You guys aren't friends, and you're forced to be around
Speaker 1: each other. You just don't want to be around each other.
Speaker 1: And no one's giving great personal story. And I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are catering to their fan
Speaker 1: base and a lot of people are trying to hide
Speaker 1: something because their intention of going on the show is
Speaker 1: to Bethany Frankle their way out of it.
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Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 2: Why are you blocked by King? Ya the icono?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I don't usually at the celebrity.
Speaker 3: I don't like they don't need to see my disapproval
Speaker 3: or whatever. I'm just tweeting whatever I think. Maybe when
Speaker 3: I used to use the hashtag when Twitter was really going,
Speaker 3: maybe she said something like em but that said last
Speaker 3: season was not great. She was the best part of
Speaker 3: a not great season. And this season I really have
Speaker 3: so much empathy for her because she should be given
Speaker 3: better material to work with. And I really like what
Speaker 3: you pulled out of her in her interview, or just
Speaker 3: maybe she felt more comfortable opening up in that way.
Speaker 4: I actually really enjoy KNY.
Speaker 3: I'm very happy about her hair Caroline and like expanding
Speaker 3: all the stores. I love watching her with her daughter.
Speaker 3: It's really really sweet and I have a better appreciation
Speaker 3: for her.
Speaker 4: She was she.
Speaker 3: Played the role of villain, so I responded, how you
Speaker 3: respond to a villain? I guess when you're watching if
Speaker 3: that's not your favorite. But I have a better appreciation
Speaker 3: for her on the show, and I can tell why
Speaker 3: she's so bored. It was very interesting to watch how
Speaker 3: vocal she was about what she had to deal with.
Speaker 3: I was very surprised, but it's right to bring out
Speaker 3: that energy in a better way with a revamped season
Speaker 3: for show.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no listen, I agree.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have said that my interview with
Speaker 1: Kenya made them see her in a different light, and
Speaker 1: I was happy to hear that because Kenya is someone
Speaker 1: who I love and a door on a personal level,
Speaker 1: like personally, that's the Kingya that I see every day.
Speaker 1: And when I was working with her, she never once
Speaker 1: gave me any talk back.
Speaker 2: She never yelled at me, she never argued with me.
Speaker 1: Even when she disagreed with me, she would do in
Speaker 1: a very respectful way. I knew when she was disappointed
Speaker 1: in me giving my feedback, and she would say, okay, boss, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's it's like a parent and
Speaker 1: a child and I felt so bad, like, oh God,
Speaker 1: did I break her heart? Because she's such a perfectionist
Speaker 1: and she wants to always do a good job. And
Speaker 1: it bothers me that people think she's this evil person
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Honey, there's other evil people that's been
Speaker 1: on that show that deserves that title. Kenya Moore's not
Speaker 1: one of them at all. She's a sweetheart. And I
Speaker 1: do mean it when I say a show without Kenya Moore,
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I watching? Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Michael, Yes, honestly, if they don't, I don't. Actually, again,
Speaker 3: I don't know if the full reboot could actually they
Speaker 3: could pull that off, but I would at least keep
Speaker 3: Kenya and Candy, maybe like a Cynthia and Chary and
Speaker 3: certain roles depending on how that goes. But I would
Speaker 3: if they build around like a Miami style or even
Speaker 3: whatever you show you want to point to. I think
Speaker 3: Kenya and Kandy are pretty vital. I think Candy is
Speaker 3: just en listening to you, and so is Keny is
Speaker 3: also be a really good performer. And I also think
Speaker 3: if she wanted to show more of that side that
Speaker 3: we saw in your interview, like that's just and in
Speaker 3: her business. I think other think there's a lot that
Speaker 3: you can do with Kenya on the show. She is like,
Speaker 3: they're the de facto stars carrying the franchise. However, people
Speaker 3: who should still be there or not. I think those
Speaker 3: two are kind of hard to replace, especially which I
Speaker 3: can imagine if you like, I can't imagine. It's hard
Speaker 3: to cast that show in Atlanta, Oh breaking news nine
Speaker 3: way so hard to cast.
Speaker 1: And Michael, to you and to my audience, as somebody
Speaker 1: who was there a part of casting, The Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Atlanta is the number one show of all shows
Speaker 1: across the realities. I guys, the Real Housewives of Atlanta
Speaker 1: is the hardest show to cast.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: There's people there who I would love to do the show.
Speaker 1: When I was a part of the show, I would
Speaker 1: call like my celebrity friends like, look, bitch, you want
Speaker 1: to do the show? And they would say to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm just telling you the truth. I'm not doing
Speaker 1: that ratchet ass show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I imagine with the money like that
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the women who are either married to a very
Speaker 1: rich man or the women who are celebrities themselves, a
Speaker 1: lot of them feel like the brand of the show
Speaker 1: doesn't fit them. So when the conversation started to center
Speaker 1: around a full reboot outline New York City Housewives, right,
Speaker 1: New York City Housewives completely started from scratch and they
Speaker 1: now have I believe it's five or six New Housewives.
Speaker 1: A lot of people feel like, does Atlanta deserve that treatment?
Speaker 1: Because if you start clean, then maybe you're able to
Speaker 1: get those women. Who knows, but at this point, those
Speaker 1: women do not want to join the show.
Speaker 2: So who do you who?
Speaker 1: Ideally, Michael, do you want to see on the show?
Speaker 1: Is there a celebrity you think would be good or
Speaker 1: what type of black woman or white woman in Atlanta
Speaker 1: would you like to see a part of the cast.
Speaker 4: Hell, we don't need any white people. I mean maybe.
Speaker 3: Unless they really fits. Like I will say, I don't
Speaker 3: need Kim Zosiak. I don't need her back that did
Speaker 3: not end will that twenty sixteen reunion and how she
Speaker 3: cried and acted like she was a victim.
Speaker 4: We don't need that energy.
Speaker 3: If they could find a white woman that doesn't give that, maybe,
Speaker 3: but no, I don't.
Speaker 4: I used to like have an.
Speaker 3: Idea, like what kind of celebrities, but like honestly, I
Speaker 3: just want an actual group of people who seeming who
Speaker 3: really actually like each other. I think Keny and Keny
Speaker 3: are still really nice verse between. They can anger this
Speaker 3: sh show. They have a certain level of celebrity and
Speaker 3: success that can still go a lot of ways. But
Speaker 3: I would like to see maybe, I guess forty thirty
Speaker 3: somethings that kind of fit that actually. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'll go back there, but like not Shamari,
Speaker 3: I actually think that was a missed opportunity with her
Speaker 3: because you had someone who was a celebrity of a
Speaker 3: certain era that grew up with the audience that we knew.
Speaker 3: She was easy to pull from a lot of people
Speaker 3: to or I think it would be easy. I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to Beguret who could actually pull in people that
Speaker 3: we want to see.
Speaker 4: But I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know anymore because I think when they travel
Speaker 3: celebrities in Atlanta particularly, that just doesn't tend to go
Speaker 3: well anymore.
Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of like a lot of.
Speaker 3: Any real Atlanta based franchise, it kind of not doesn't
Speaker 3: go well. No, a lot of the world on how
Speaker 3: to go God bless them which ones.
Speaker 4: Honestly, they can they I don't.
Speaker 1: Look at job Michael, who would you like to see
Speaker 1: removed food from the shop.
Speaker 4: I don't need Drew. I don't really need you either.
Speaker 4: She's a legend, but I don't. I don't need it. Sonya,
Speaker 4: God blessed, bless She's a nice lady.
Speaker 2: I like her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's nice.
Speaker 1: She's talking about business business Courtney.
Speaker 3: No man yet a nice woman. No, I just I
Speaker 3: don't know. It doesn't work for me anyway. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's working, but I like her happy. I've watched
Speaker 3: Hollywood debs, but no, they all can go, honestly, Besides
Speaker 3: Candy and Kenya, maybe it should right, even if they
Speaker 3: could get Porsche back or something. But I don't really
Speaker 3: need the rest of them. I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think Marlowe. Now, I don't want to let Marlowe
Speaker 3: go because she she deleats try. But the way she
Speaker 3: tried is exactly why I don't want to watch the
Speaker 3: show unless she can really open up more about certain
Speaker 3: parts of her life that would make her appear fuller
Speaker 3: on the show. If that makes sense, Like it doesn't work,
Speaker 3: it's just beef that you are pulling out a wherever
Speaker 3: just to kind of get on screen time, which is
Speaker 3: look late at this point. Yeah, I don't really need
Speaker 3: Candy and Kenya. We need to start around, get Porstcha.
Speaker 3: I mean, I read the rumors.
Speaker 4: I don't know about how.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true, but throw whatever you
Speaker 3: need to bring her back, actually let her bring Shamia,
Speaker 3: bring some like women of her age in that circle.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a nicer mix, and then some
Speaker 3: still younger. I don't know, I just whatever is it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they can't go full Housewives of
Speaker 3: New York reboot, but that is really well done casting.
Speaker 3: To me, that is a really well done show now,
Speaker 3: and it was just enough that it was a nice mix.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't need anybody really on the current
Speaker 3: cast besides Candy and Kenya. And I do agree that
Speaker 3: you need can on the show. I actually think if
Speaker 3: Candy decided to leave, you still really need Kenya.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it's a staple for sure. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Chara. CHARAE is an og. Charay is at
Speaker 1: this point the longest running and standing og on the show.
Speaker 1: I love Shara. Charay's a personal friend of mine who
Speaker 1: I love in Adoor. I personally think Charay's good for
Speaker 1: the show. A lot of people agree with me. A
Speaker 1: lot don't agree with me. I want to hear from
Speaker 1: you because when people do talk about who should stay
Speaker 1: when it comes to Charae, some people are fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm on the side of Scharay staying, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people are And I'll give you my list later
Speaker 1: in the episode of who I think should stay. But
Speaker 1: why is it that Charay isn't somebody that's automatic, Yes,
Speaker 1: considering she is an og, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's not. She really can't still give good TV.
Speaker 3: She's really fun in the confessional. She's beautiful, Like I
Speaker 3: really rude for Churead. But I also think in terms
Speaker 3: of story. Okay, let's just Martell, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: I watched Huntsville. You know how I feel about Melody
Speaker 3: that is would have done and played aka she is.
Speaker 3: I like Melody a lot gone if you watch him
Speaker 3: day her. Okay, what are you doing? I just don't
Speaker 3: believe that they're in Like I'm sure they have fun
Speaker 3: and they are good company and they like I get it,
Speaker 3: But there's a level that she adds to it that
Speaker 3: you can directly see opposes it when when you watch
Speaker 3: your show, when you watch Love and Marriage Huntsville, I'm like,
Speaker 3: these do not align. So when I'm watching this, it's like,
Speaker 3: what is real? Like why are you adding whether it is?
Speaker 3: Then you need to the Bob thing That reveal was peculiar,
Speaker 3: but it was also like, I don't know, like I
Speaker 3: think this season, she again she was trying to play
Speaker 3: the role of like the nucleas brings everybody together. I
Speaker 3: don't think that's a natural fit for her, which is
Speaker 3: how kind of while that scene wherever they were they
Speaker 3: started arguing, I was like, Okay, I'm tired of watching
Speaker 3: terriblemen who are not going to do her right, Like
Speaker 3: and that's like, if you kept her who was the
Speaker 3: equipped Atlanta equivalent of millionaire matchmaker, get them on the
Speaker 3: show and help Charay find somebody and we can watch
Speaker 3: her date. And I want to know if Sharay was
Speaker 3: I don't feel like she's good on the show, but
Speaker 3: I actually don't know if I'm getting more about like
Speaker 3: her actual story in the way that ultimately I think
Speaker 3: Candy and ken Yell have been We've been on a
Speaker 3: journey with them and how change and evolved.
Speaker 4: I think Charay is cool, but it's small. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel bad.
Speaker 3: I like it's kind of like how she thought like
Speaker 3: her website crashing was a good thing.
Speaker 4: I think that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're good at this, and it's all there,
Speaker 3: but this is not the way it she would be
Speaker 3: like maybe if we got a different producer, if you
Speaker 3: open up a little bit more.
Speaker 4: But I just know, I feel like I've run my
Speaker 4: course with Shrep.
Speaker 3: But I do think with the right mix the mind
Speaker 3: on the cash, she still works because she's, you know,
Speaker 3: how to make good TV. I just feel like with
Speaker 3: the story, it's not really evolving. So I just want
Speaker 3: her to sell them joggers. The price point is how though,
Speaker 3: but get the money.
Speaker 2: Bring me some jogger shop that that reminds.
Speaker 4: Me now I'm just not gonna get it.
Speaker 1: I'm coming over and I want some joggers, and I
Speaker 1: will add it to Carlos kingshop dot com, where you
Speaker 1: can get all of your rain dropping allegedly apparel, honey,
Speaker 1: because I want some joggers.
Speaker 2: So what's happening right now?
Speaker 1: When it comes to the real housepots Atlanta b Scott
Speaker 1: his website loved Be Scott, Hi Be Scott. He did
Speaker 1: an article recently that said sources claim the network is
Speaker 1: looking for a complete reboot, and that calls a firestorm
Speaker 1: on Twitter. So much so Sonia Riches Ross made a
Speaker 1: tweet or a post about pretty much just saying don't
Speaker 1: believe everything you read.
Speaker 2: People don't have all the facts.
Speaker 1: The fans went crazy, wondering what does this mean.
Speaker 2: For their favorite franchise.
Speaker 1: B Scott also did another post after the tsunami of
Speaker 1: tweet saying some of the girls, meaning the housewives, some
Speaker 1: of the girls are trying to discredit me.
Speaker 2: Who do you think? Who do you think?
Speaker 1: I get my sources from Love Muffins again, paraphrasing what
Speaker 1: he said. If the network is interested in a full
Speaker 1: of reboot, do you think there would be a backlash
Speaker 1: from social media or even.
Speaker 3: You shout out to be Scott. I don't play with them.
Speaker 3: Their sources usually stay on it, so I do think
Speaker 3: they'll be a big fan backlash. You kind of already
Speaker 3: seen it online. Some of my friends that watch the show,
Speaker 3: like they talk about the show with me have already
Speaker 3: complained I think it would be like that. It might
Speaker 3: have actually been on the same or if not slightly
Speaker 3: worse scale than New York, because I do think particularly
Speaker 3: Black audiences, we are comfortable and familiar with the folks
Speaker 3: that we know, and housewise in Land is very particular show,
Speaker 3: especially if you kind of essentially grew up with it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it would work unless which is actually
Speaker 3: why I get Kenyan Candy's standpoint. But I don't think
Speaker 3: it would work unless they were able to pull a
Speaker 3: really big celebrity for celebrities, which I don't know if
Speaker 3: they can pull off, so it wouldn't work the same way.
Speaker 4: But if it were just the.
Speaker 3: Kind of a new group of women, I personally would
Speaker 3: give it a chance because I've seen because I was
Speaker 3: mad about New York but also thought that was fine
Speaker 3: because it got sad, and that's the think about Atlanta.
Speaker 3: It's not sad, it's just kind of like the right
Speaker 3: parts are not working and it needs to be some
Speaker 3: ship and not just the cast, probably production, because I
Speaker 3: think maybe production is doing a lot of the women.
Speaker 4: A deservice to be fair and have the way it's
Speaker 4: set up.
Speaker 3: I do think the fan backlafts would be pretty big,
Speaker 3: but it would take some if they got the right
Speaker 3: cast like some big names.
Speaker 4: It could worry, but I don't think they can. So
Speaker 4: just fix what we have.
Speaker 3: And kind of slowgan rebuilt, and personally, I feel like
Speaker 3: they let it get to this point. They should have
Speaker 3: did a big reshuffle like five years ago.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is I think they were trying to do that,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately, in my opinion, some bad decisions were made.
Speaker 2: I was told that.
Speaker 1: Drew was bought on because of Eva Marcel, because they're
Speaker 1: friends in real life, and that there were conversations possibly
Speaker 1: surrounding Eva amongst this younger group, which is by that
Speaker 1: season you had Drew, Sodora and LaToya Ali. LaToya was
Speaker 1: considered to be a housewife, not a friend of, and
Speaker 1: that Eva Eva was going to bring in this usher
Speaker 1: in this new world of Atlanta, to do what you're
Speaker 1: what you're saying, which is let's slowly build into this.
Speaker 1: The problem is, listen, I thought Eva was good for
Speaker 1: the show. I spoke to Eva and I said, this,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll say it again. I ran into her
Speaker 1: in New York City a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 1: think this was her first season as a housewife, not
Speaker 1: a friend of, and I.
Speaker 2: Said, look, bitch. Where is WB upon Eva? Because what you've.
Speaker 1: Given now, Honey, I'm not into I need top Model Eva.
Speaker 2: I need Eva because off the girls smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 4: I say, that's my thing with Eva.
Speaker 3: I feel like we didn't really get who Eva is
Speaker 3: until she let Marlowe.
Speaker 4: Have it on the bus.
Speaker 2: She was good in the Virtual re Union, the Little
Speaker 2: Zoom Reunion.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but all I remember is Porsche chopping her.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she did.
Speaker 1: Show doctor Breast being social distance child. Yes, I did
Speaker 1: go ahead, I rebuilt around.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of glad that didn't happen, but I would
Speaker 4: have did that I did with Porsche.
Speaker 2: So let's get into that.
Speaker 1: It has been reported that Bravo is in negotiations with
Speaker 1: Porsche and that allegedly Porsche is demanding a lot of
Speaker 1: money to come back to the show. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about Portchra coming back? Is that a step up
Speaker 1: in the right direction? And Sha, Bravo backed up the
Speaker 1: brinks Trump open that bitch up. Let all the Benjamin
Speaker 1: Franklins and the George Washington.
Speaker 2: I think George Washington Carver, honey, and allow this money
Speaker 2: to be sent to Porsche to get her to return.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that highest paid housewife period thing
Speaker 3: is the move but give.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I think Porscha is a lot like Needi
Speaker 4: in that she could She's the only other person.
Speaker 3: I think if she joined got back on the show,
Speaker 3: it would really shake it up and people would like
Speaker 3: rush back to see But it's I hope it's the
Speaker 3: Porscha that actually wants to be there.
Speaker 4: I think that makes a big difference.
Speaker 3: Like if you're only there for the check, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily like the people, and you it kind of shows
Speaker 3: then I don't know if that makes always for the best.
Speaker 3: And I want to say this because I'm being only
Speaker 3: be generous to Neini because she has dealt with so
Speaker 3: much over the years. But you could tell, maybe not
Speaker 3: you could tell, but after made more sense there was
Speaker 3: some personal and professional things going on between her and
Speaker 3: the show and what was going on her life, and
Speaker 3: she was going through a really hard state. And actually,
Speaker 3: just as a fan, you don't really want to see that.
Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily like carry the best energy for the show.
Speaker 3: That might have just been like a year off because
Speaker 3: if like Nini came back right now, if they worked
Speaker 3: out a miracle, if she wants to be there. It'd
Speaker 3: be great. If she doesn't want to be there, I
Speaker 3: don't know how it'd work. I feel that same way
Speaker 3: with Porsche. If like Porsche wants to be there, talk
Speaker 3: about what's going on in her life, bring back media,
Speaker 3: pull in more home where was like, actually, yeah, bring
Speaker 3: out the Brinks truck and let her and let's see
Speaker 3: how her can you get it along she gets along
Speaker 3: with Candy, Maybe Drew can stay and see how that
Speaker 3: theatric goes. They can have a to be off and acting.
Speaker 3: You said, yes, I'm just teasing, you know, Drew, I
Speaker 3: don't think Marlowe will work.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead, Michael, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think it would work, like if you come back. I
Speaker 3: can't see her wanting to work with Marlogo because it
Speaker 3: might go nasty. And I actually don't want to see
Speaker 3: that either. I do think it, Yeah, I give portion money.
Speaker 3: I could also see the network maing like we tied
Speaker 3: of pan all yo. But I think with Atlanta it's
Speaker 3: kind of worth it, because again, I just don't see
Speaker 3: how they would refresh that cast, like maybe some of
Speaker 3: us was going. I don't know if that's really possible.
Speaker 3: Get Portion money.
Speaker 1: One thing about the real Housewise Atlanta, they at least
Speaker 1: have between six and seven housewives full time of Housewives
Speaker 1: Lady has been only six, So let's add one more
Speaker 1: to make it seven, because I think for the sixteenth
Speaker 1: season you're gonna need seven in order to really arc
Speaker 1: So name me your dream season sixteenth cast that you
Speaker 1: think putting on your hat as a die hard fan,
Speaker 1: what seven Housewise do you think would make the show great?
Speaker 2: And listen.
Speaker 1: If you want to save two for new girls, tell
Speaker 1: me that is it seven familiar faces?
Speaker 2: Is it three familiar for new girls?
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be realistic because I wanted
Speaker 3: I hope this has Portia, Kenya, Candy, maybe Charree and.
Speaker 4: Actually surprised me with new people. So three new girls? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I want new people. I want like the people I
Speaker 4: like and new people.
Speaker 3: Friend of maybe like Cynthia, someone else fresh shoe like
Speaker 3: and actually tried them out like they did a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, and like literally Claudia and Kenya, like,
Speaker 3: let's see the options, Let's see how they mesh, Let's
Speaker 3: see them in solo scenes like Kenya was right, like
Speaker 3: earn it, But I really want the people I know
Speaker 3: that will show up to work and perform in a
Speaker 3: new mix of people. Stop looking for a moment, be
Speaker 3: a person. I really want more reality stars to just
Speaker 3: be a person.
Speaker 4: The moment will come. That's what works with Nini. She
Speaker 4: is the moment. She just opens them up.
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