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Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places. We

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Speaker 1: explore some of some of the conversations. Yeah, we put

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Speaker 1: a little horse chocolate peanut butter, and what do you

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Speaker 1: what do you call that? We call him cow paddies. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they mostly calling them no bakes. My wife, their family

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Speaker 1: calls him candy cookies. You can imagine my disappointment the

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Speaker 1: first time I was informed that I would be eating

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Speaker 1: a candy cookie and you delivered that. Well, gosh, I

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Speaker 1: would rather this than a candy cookie any day of

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Speaker 1: but I had sort of built up something in my head.

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Speaker 1: And then oh, okay, well, imagine my surprise when someone

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Speaker 1: said we were having no bay cookies and they handed

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Speaker 1: us cow patties. When my mom's family, they were her

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Speaker 1: dad was a cattle farmer with varying levels of success,

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Speaker 1: and they made these one time and her sister was

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Speaker 1: about four years old and she was watching her mom

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Speaker 1: put him out on the on the tray and she said,

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Speaker 1: those look like cow patties. And they started calling them

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Speaker 1: cow patty and that's what we called them all growing up.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea, no clue that anyone else would

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Speaker 1: ever have anything else. And do you know the secret

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Speaker 1: in our home in the newcome home to making a

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Speaker 1: good cow patty because it's kind of tricky. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell people, you know a lot of recipes you need,

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Speaker 1: Like just they talked about like you mix it in

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Speaker 1: with a little love. We say anger, like you cannot

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Speaker 1: make a good set of cow patties unless you're just

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Speaker 1: a little bit angry at the end, because because it's

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Speaker 1: it's getting the consistency exactly right, it's a little bit tricky.

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Speaker 1: And in our family, the person who makes co patties

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Speaker 1: is misty me. And when you get to that point,

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Speaker 1: if people start to distract, he's like, I stop it, stop,

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Speaker 1: don't talk about like there's like a golden second. Yes

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Speaker 1: they've got you've got to just be completely focused. And

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Speaker 1: so in our and I would be like, hey, these

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Speaker 1: won't turn out right, and so they be running or

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Speaker 1: they'll be dry dry exactly. And so in our family

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Speaker 1: we started saying hold on. So sometimes when I make

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Speaker 1: them and they're they're like running, everybody's like, ah, no,

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Speaker 1: one was here to make you mad. And so it's

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Speaker 1: like the family goal to make me really intense whenever,

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Speaker 1: because that makes a good cookie. That's eggs for me. Eggs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it needs a little a little anger in it. They

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Speaker 1: were perfect this morning. I got really confessions, what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the kitchen to make you mad? This morning?

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Speaker 1: I said, if I had a superpower, what I would

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Speaker 1: want it to be is that at any given moment,

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Speaker 1: I could reach in my pocket and pull out a

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Speaker 1: sausag jack and cheese biscuit. That would be the superpower

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Speaker 1: you want. That's the or from somewhere, probably a Broms

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Speaker 1: sausag jack and cheese biscuit. Yeah, he is the only

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Speaker 1: love Broms Sausagejack and cheese. I love Yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: should probably it's the precision that I appreciate that I'm

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Speaker 1: get right right to Clay Nuclem's gone and day he

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Speaker 1: thought you were going to get to just say whatever

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Speaker 1: you wanted to say, whatever, which the cat is away,

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Speaker 1: come on, okay. So I was given instructions by Clay

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Speaker 1: to run this like a meeting. Apparently that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that Clay thinks I can do. Really well, who's taking minutes?

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Speaker 1: I know. It kind of made me sad when he

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Speaker 1: like a party, no break, all right, So Clay Nucomb

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Speaker 1: He is flying into Alaska right now, is Steve Ronella.

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Speaker 1: They're going on a moose hunt and we hope that

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Speaker 1: he comes home with a moose. I mean that's cool

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Speaker 1: hoping that it works out. I'm gonna introduce everyone. We've

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Speaker 1: well yes, since the last render. Yeah, I came down

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Speaker 1: on Friday and I got a possum and raccoon. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can do. Let me everyone real fast, while you're doing

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Speaker 1: the rounds, talk to me about what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: odor wise? Nothing when you pull the boots off, Okay, excellent, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what it's about to happen? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Brand Over here to his left, we've got Britt Reeves here,

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Speaker 1: we've gotten please right that. In the minutes that Brand answered,

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Speaker 1: here we got Josh Spillmaker Okay, stop that all right?

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Speaker 1: And then to my right, we've got old friend Malichi

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Speaker 1: Nichols is our guest of honor. How you doing one

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Speaker 1: of the inaugural original one of the g Yeah, for real,

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Speaker 1: Why are you sleeping? Since I think since we've been here,

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Speaker 1: I have another little boy. So we have two under two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: four weeks so since you got here today, but since

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Speaker 1: I've got three kids, but they're spaced out from thirty

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Speaker 1: one to ten. But my daughter has three, and she

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Speaker 1: said having one kid was like having one kid, yes,

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Speaker 1: YEA one was a lot to was like Okay, we

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Speaker 1: then one point seven five for each of the gaps.

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Speaker 1: One point five okay, okay, point five goving three is

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Speaker 1: have twelve kids. There's there's it's just kind of logistically

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Speaker 1: different car. It's true that everything is different. It's apparently

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Speaker 1: illegal to stay at hotels. The hotel industry is anti

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Speaker 1: just a little bit more logistically challenging. Okay, so have

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Speaker 1: you introduced yourself. Oh, I'm Missy Newcombe, today's host of

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Speaker 1: the Burgers podcast Live Goals here. Yeah, I've always wanted

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Speaker 1: to be the best. Yeah, all right, Isaac, I see

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Speaker 1: you've got your jeans lift today. I want to get

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Speaker 1: your your legs are bared well actually, okay, let's see

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Speaker 1: go a little higher. They're all the way up to

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Speaker 1: the knees because you can't see the top wearing these

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Speaker 1: were warned parent. Have you seen these tattoos? Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: wonderful and terrible. Anna. Anna texted me mid tattoo and

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Speaker 1: said I thought it'd be cuter, so she was there

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Speaker 1: for it. No, I sent her a picture when the

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Speaker 1: possumb done? How long did it takes three hours? Get

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Speaker 1: the stemp? Three hours? To do both of them for

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Speaker 1: three hours? Yeah, so they're you said they're wonderful and terrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you can elaborate on that. I mean you got

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Speaker 1: it's the tattoo artist that I go to. I really

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Speaker 1: like him because he has this sort of wonderful folk

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Speaker 1: the Berries podcast this week on the iTunes and said,

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Speaker 1: I was like, let me see what they said. He said,

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Speaker 1: Misty seems kind of preachy and judge, but also like

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Speaker 1: I was getting called the preachy judge for Isaac's tattoos last.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to clarify, I wasn't judging your

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Speaker 1: a statement. You are very fast with your decision making process.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand how most people would you like this

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Speaker 1: For me, it would take me roughly. Well, I still

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Speaker 1: think they're going to be You're going to be valid

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Speaker 1: I don't know how healthy that is. Isa I'll do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's working out for me so far. I'll do.

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Speaker 1: If we ever have a library during his undercovered days,

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Speaker 1: make a homemade tat gun next time clean he is gone,

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Speaker 1: let's bring the supplies and and let's I think would

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Speaker 1: be a very entertainer. You gotta come more off of men.

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Speaker 1: This is the most alright, hoe, Can I tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what they can expect today? On a clayeless render. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. So there's four things that I've determined that

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Speaker 1: one email about Banjo, Okay, just curious excuse Clay changes

422
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: his mind every week, so I have no idea. I

423
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: got the email and if this guy comes down on

424
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: the right day, it might work. It might work. The

425
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: trip about tucking his thing and then two six shooters

426
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: yet gave us. Yeah, maybe all over for the banjo sale.

427
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: Man our son Bear has been you know, go into

428
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: our the part. You know, everybody has like a shed

429
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 1: that they don't are maybe not a shed, maybe not

430
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: as much as us. The things they don't really use anymore.

431
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: And Bear has been taking digging those things out, pressure

432
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: washing them, fixing machines, selling them on on my Facebook

433
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: messenger because he doesn't he doesn't have Facebook, which I don't.

434
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: I doubt Facebook is really the big scary monster that

435
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: it was, you know. But anyway, so Bear has been

436
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: selling stuff on my Facebook messenger and has been looking

437
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: to buy I a jeep or something like that and

438
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: off road rig. Yeah, and so I am while I'm

439
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: at work getting tons of messages from people asking very

440
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: specific questions about about lawnmowers or about just all sorts

441
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: of things that he's going to Like, he went to

442
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: a friend's house, picked up their lawnmower that they said

443
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: what didn't work, fixed it, sold it on Facebook. So

444
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: so you know, Bears like got Uncle Russell blood, and

445
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: you'll heard Clay talk about Uncle Russell, his uncle who

446
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: ran a junkyard. Bear definitely has a strong Uncle Russell.

447
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: And it's been it's been pretty entertaining. And it never

448
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: occurred to me that people are seeing my name because

449
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: I've never sold anything on Facebook Messenger. And then the

450
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: other day someone said Misty and then they asked a

451
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: really specific transmission question and I was like, what is

452
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: happening right now? And then I said something to one

453
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: of my friends, are like, oh, it's not you that's

454
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: selling all that stuff on so even my close friends

455
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: everything mowers and defense. I'm imagining a scenario in which

456
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: your son is starting his own sort of Oh yeah,

457
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: he's quite the entrepreneur. I was a little nervous that

458
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Bear was going to ride in. I really thought you

459
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: might ride in audience. Yeah, well it's not too late.

460
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: We've got we're looking for content him to include his Instagram.

461
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: We won't know how to get ahold of it all right, Okay,

462
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: y'all listen to the podcast this week. Oh yeah, pretty

463
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: riveting stuff, some really good stuff. I thought it was

464
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, the whole call your it almost is

465
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: was I think it was who said he was like

466
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump, where you're I had the thought, I don't

467
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: know if I said it out. I think I think

468
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: it really does feel like Forrest Gump. Like you, he

469
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: goes through all these like every single major He's just

470
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: popping up here and there and yeah, interacting with people.

471
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: I mean, when Clay said Jesse James brother, I was like, no,

472
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: he didn't. It was kind of like when Forrest Gumps, Like, yeah,

473
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: there were several points and I had to remember, wait,

474
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: this is a movie, but this is actually this guy's live.

475
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: On the Frank James part, I'd like to point out

476
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Clay was like, well, I would like to think that

477
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: he would have arrested him, but like the competing interest

478
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: there is. He was a secessionist from Missourian's that was

479
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: certainly in line with you know, the Ninth Capital. They

480
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: would have been of the same milk, right, like, uh so,

481
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: I think that he would probably have been conflicted between

482
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: the lawman portion of him and then the Confederate veteran

483
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: portion of him. So complex guy, complex, complex guy. I mean,

484
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: it's like a different direction at every turn. As I

485
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: was listening to the podcast, you know, man, it just

486
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: says so much about just be yourself, just do what

487
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: you think's right. It just said so much to me,

488
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: is what the way that guy was living? You know,

489
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: he lived in some very tumultuals time, if not the

490
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: most in our history, and yet he survived to be

491
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: nanny years old in a place where that probably didn't happen.

492
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: A whole heck of a lot, to go through a war,

493
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: to be a wanted man, to be in shootouts, to live,

494
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: just to live in that time and survive with something,

495
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: but to do it with the odds that he had

496
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: stacked against him from the get go. And then apparently

497
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: it was just he called it Tuesday and got up

498
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: and did his thing every day. That's a lesson, man.

499
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: It's a lesson to a lot of folks. It's a

500
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: lesson to me. And I was very enamored with me

501
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: and still am. I cannot wait for this thing that

502
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I hope it never ends. Really, but a movie, Holy cow,

503
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: interesting there in Clay have and I have discussed it,

504
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: disgusted it, discussed it more than once. Speaking of today,

505
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: inexorable was the one that got me this week. He

506
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: said cavalry right the first time and then went back

507
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: to his old I have to admit that that's one

508
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: that I had never thought. I probably would have said calvary, Yeah, cavalry, cavalry.

509
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: You've probably been wrong. Anyway, The idea of like this, um,

510
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to get into Holt's head and be like,

511
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: what are his motivations? What's actually going on there? And

512
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: and and really guess what he was thinking. But one

513
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: of the things that you can see and observe, I

514
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: feel like from his life is like, Okay, be that

515
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: as it may. Here's the scenario. Now, what am I

516
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: going to do about it? Is it right or wrong

517
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: for him to have been born into slavery? It's wrong?

518
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Is it right or wrong for him to have made

519
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: the best out of it by making a good relationship

520
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: with the Master? It seems like that's what he chose,

521
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: and so like it. It's an interesting nuance of like,

522
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: these circumstances being as they are, What am I going

523
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: to do about it? I'm gonna wake up today and

524
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: choose the best life that I can. I thought that

525
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: was really interesting. Yeah, agreed, I think it's interesting. We

526
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: were we were talking earlier about you know, he made

527
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: all that money and could have been a wealthy man,

528
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: but he's he spent it. And there's part of me

529
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: that's like, man, I wish he would have not gambled.

530
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I wish he would have not I wish he would

531
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: have become a wealthy man and like laid up an inheritance.

532
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: And and we were talking beforehand, and it's like, well,

533
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you just he didn't want to. Maybe

534
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: that's not a value to to this person, and maybe

535
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: that's it was just an interesting, an interesting situation. Gary,

536
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, it was. It was really unbelievable.

537
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think anything could get better than Boon, Yeah,

538
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: or Jonathan's uh pod ask that that I like so much.

539
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: But this guy just never ends. You know, we knew

540
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: about Boon, and we knew about these get a lot

541
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: of these guys, but this guy just comes out of nowhere.

542
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: And what I like about him so much, I like

543
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: about him. He did what he wanted to do. He

544
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: he he didn't have to fight in the Civil War

545
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: he wanted to. He didn't have to be a gambler

546
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: he wanted to. He didn't have to shoot those people

547
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: he wanted to. I mean, everything he did, it's it's

548
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: almost a lifestyle where you just you just go, Okay,

549
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: what do you want to do, Gary kno King with

550
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: your life? You're fifteen years old? I go, well, you know,

551
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I want to be a professional basketball player. I want

552
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: to I want to have some money, I want a

553
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: big house, I want to g t O you know

554
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it just all happens. I mean,

555
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: he just did everything that he wanted to do and unbelievable, unbelievable.

556
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: But I might add he was only able to do

557
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: this because he he he was very intelligent. I mean,

558
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: this guy was and he was like a professional athlete.

559
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: He had a baseball team. I mean, if he were

560
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: in our world today, he would be a rock star.

561
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's sixty eight years old, he marries a

562
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: twenty six year old beauty queen. I mean, tell me

563
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: how many guys can pull that off? You know. So

564
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: he was he was an unbelievable guy with an unbelievable life,

565
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: and he figured out how to get some chewing tobacco up.

566
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: And so I think Gary, one of the things that

567
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, I've heard Clay say that

568
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: he's drawn to people who have a strong identity. I

569
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: have this thing that I find men who are driven

570
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: for something very interesting. And he had a drive, like

571
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: there was a drive if he focused on something, he

572
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: had a drive to do it. He was a bear hunter,

573
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: he fought, he you know, did all these things. And

574
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I think that shows um, you know, I I think

575
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: I I long to to have that in my own life.

576
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: And I've recognized, you know, so many times where I

577
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: haven't had that drive, where I thought, if I'd had

578
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: more drive, I really could have succeeded in whatever X areas.

579
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, some of the things that

580
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: that whole Collier did, you know, we might frown upon,

581
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, the actual action. You know, I don't want

582
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: my kids to have a drive to be a gambler,

583
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but just to have

584
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that drive shows that that internal discipline to say I'm

585
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: going to deny myself of certain things so that I

586
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: can have that one thing. And I appreciate that about him,

587
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it takes a lot of commitment

588
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: and drive to drop what you're doing go into the

589
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: woods and kill three thousand bears. I mean, it's it's

590
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: not that's not something you're gonna do as a hobby,

591
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to have a drive to do that.

592
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: You appreciate that. I see what you're saying, and I

593
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: agree with all that. But life was so easy for

594
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: this guy, And you know, I know you're probably thinking

595
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: where you think you think he was extra like everything

596
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: about everybody else that the Civil War was easy. Shooting

597
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: these guys was easy. Breaking that horse was easy. Finding

598
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: a twenty six year old beauty queen was easy. Everything

599
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: he did, I'm not sure he had a lot of

600
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: planning in it. He just wakes up in the morning

601
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: and says, I'm gonna dominate wherever. I mean, he's not

602
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: even thinking that. It just happens. He put his pants

603
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: on like everybody else, one leg at a time, and

604
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: then makes gold records. Well, if you if you ever

605
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: played pick up basketball with Michael Jordan's, that's kind of

606
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: the way I think he was at the risk of, um,

607
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: sort of validating some of your takes and making it

608
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: your head grow in size. I walked away from last

609
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: week's render thinking like, I don't know about your take

610
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: about of because like complicating this whole thing is the

611
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: relationship of slavery, right, slave and master, And it's hard

612
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: to call something love when one person doesn't really have

613
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: a choice. That was something that Jonathan said is interview

614
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: with Clay that you were mentioning. But I came back

615
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: around to it maybe not holy in that in two

616
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: instances in this podcast, one the people around him, even

617
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: white people, not all of them clearly, as is evidence,

618
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: there was sage and and no no sage. And the

619
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: guy who has a Waterford Watson he clearly did not

620
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: have any respect for. But I will say after that,

621
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: the normative outcome of that day would be a black

622
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: person killing a white person. He gets lynched like if

623
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: if he doesn't go to trial and gets found guilty.

624
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of people who are willing

625
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: to break the um racial norms of the time for

626
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: this guy, and that is something that is beyond the

627
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: normal relationship. There is admiration or respect. His former master

628
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: clearly had a lot of that for him. But also

629
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: the story of him coming back from Texas when he

630
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: heard that his former it just like blew my mind

631
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: a little bit because there was no there was nothing

632
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: owed to him there. He had a job, he was

633
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: in West Texas, he was there was no chance of

634
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: him getting in trouble out there, and he gets wind

635
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: that Heinz gets murdered, and he saddles his pony up

636
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: and spurs the hair off of it till he can

637
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: get back to Greenville, to a place where he is

638
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: a wanted man. It's dangerous for him to be there,

639
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: and he voluntarily goes in there to seek out vengeance.

640
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: That's not in servitude, that is flat out love for somebody,

641
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: which zooming out. I think that you can still hold

642
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: on of these concepts of like there is something muddying

643
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: the water over here, because the foundation of this relationship

644
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: is slavery, which is abhorrent. Also, this is definitely going

645
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: on by free will, by choice, and I think for me,

646
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: the takeaway is just going back to the fact that

647
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: this is a truly extraordinary human being, Like I like

648
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: a guy who cannot be pigeonholed. The circumstances of two

649
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: people meeting is left up its chance or whatever however

650
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: it happens. What those two people make out of that

651
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: meeting is the thing that's important. So I meet somebody

652
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: in jail and we become lifelong friends and we love

653
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: and support one another legally, I mean, you know what

654
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. That's what the where you met to

655
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: me doesn't doesn't make any difference. Yeah, for me, I

656
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: think the black mark if there, if there's a black

657
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: mark on that relationship, it would be on Hines, which

658
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm I we can get off into the weeds talking

659
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: about that. It certainly wouldn't be on Holt choosing the

660
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: higher ground and being like, I'm loyal to this guy.

661
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: I love this guy despite coming from this position. I

662
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think, Melancha. I think Holt

663
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: is a is a complex guy that I haven't like

664
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: totally wrapped my head around what I generally think about him.

665
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: You know, I think what what's what strikes me is

666
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: not about Halt, but about the people that he was

667
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: around and how they treated him. Um, I think we've

668
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I think everybody has talked about slavery isn't black and white,

669
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: and how they treated their slaves isn't as clean cut

670
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: as people make it seem, and how you know, the

671
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Southern attitude about race wasn't as clean cut as people

672
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: make it make it make you seem or make you think.

673
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: And I just think the the way that individuals around

674
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: his life supported him, that was counterculture to what was

675
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: prevalent then I think says something about I think just

676
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: the portants of human connection, human nature, um. And I

677
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: think that's what stands out to me about his life.

678
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think I would. It's

679
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: hard to to sit in two you know, and give

680
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: a perspective about a guy who was a slave, who

681
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: went to the Civil War, who kind of just, you know,

682
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: after the Civil War kind of just kind of ran

683
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: freely in the wind. It's hard to kind of give

684
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: your your current perspective on an individual like that in

685
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: a complex um complex situation. But I think the way

686
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I think the fruit of his life is shown by

687
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: how individuals talk about him and how individuals put their

688
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: reputation on the line, because I mean to support, to

689
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: support somebody like Halt in that time, whether through alleged murder,

690
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: whether through you know, putting themselves up against you know,

691
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: if if he gets in jail, I'm gon break them out,

692
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. At the Calvary um that says something about

693
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: the fruit of his life. And I think to that,

694
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: I can you know, tip my hat to versus like

695
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: the particulars of his life and even me trying to

696
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: give a two thousand perspective on a situation that I

697
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: don't think, yes, I'm you might be real red in

698
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: a in a particular subject in the particular area, but

699
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: it's so complex that I don't think you can catch

700
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: fully catch the nuances of of of what why he

701
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: made his choices and why the individuals in his life

702
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: made choices with support of him. It is complex because

703
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I can think of very few circumstances in where someone

704
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: would murder someone and I'd be like, man, what loyalty?

705
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: And yet that we're doing you do that with this story.

706
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: I think we have different life experiences. I'm just saying,

707
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: like when you, when you, there's all sorts of aspects

708
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: of this story that are pretty complex that I think

709
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, your heart is kind of drawn to some

710
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: of the themes, the theme of loyalty, the theme of

711
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: of rise and above circumstances like those are themes that

712
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: we can we can relate to, and at this point,

713
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: at this place in our you know, in in modern history,

714
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: we're looking back at those things and saying, well, those

715
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: things transcend all the other stuff that we can't understand

716
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: that that and and it kind of makes you think

717
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: about like the broad strokes of your life and we

718
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, just as a family, you know,

719
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: with our our kids or young adults, and they're navigating

720
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: all that, and that was not like a particularly easy

721
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: stage of life for me. That was the stage of

722
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: there was a lot of a lot of questions and

723
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of there's just a lot to navigate. And

724
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: I think part of what makes it so challenging is

725
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: that you think when your twenties, like every single decision

726
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: you make is the most important decision, and they are

727
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: important decisions you're usually making around that time of life.

728
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: But in reality, like I don't know, it seems from

729
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: my kids, I hope that they can be a little

730
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: bit less up tight and realize there's actually a whole

731
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: big cushion around me. Like you can make a bad

732
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: decision today. I mean, there's just a handful of decisions

733
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: that you really can't make that are bad and that

734
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: of life too, and you're like two or twenty three

735
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: that God, Lee, I've got I've got some stuff. I

736
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: got to get done. I've got to get done. I

737
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: can't remember being such a hurry to get the house

738
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: and my family and all that, and and then six

739
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and forty six and still having kids, So I mean,

740
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: there's there's time, folks. It's also interesting to think about

741
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: that that time of life, you know, from fourteen to

742
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: early twenties, and just thinking about biology. His brain is

743
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: not fully developed, you know, and I think that could

744
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: play a part into why he takes what, from my perspective,

745
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: so many risks to kind of get and go and

746
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: and getting on a horse and you know, going to

747
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: allegedly kill somebody like his his brain is not fully developed.

748
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: And I think what I saw inside of you know,

749
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: episode two, part of his decisions were a lot of

750
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: how he was raised, you know, and how how how

751
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: you raise what the unseaid values and said values of

752
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: your your upbringing has a direct influence on your choices

753
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: and who you become in later life. And and you know,

754
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: it's not the it's not it doesn't end there, right,

755
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: You have the ability to make choices, you have the

756
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: ability to to do something different. So I just think

757
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to look at it from that perspective

758
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: of he's not fully developed and how he's thinking, you know,

759
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: just biology wise. Additional additionally, it's it's like your risk

760
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: assessment is going to look different if you have nothing

761
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: to lose if you're starting from a place of like, hey,

762
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: this is my position, but I could run off to

763
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Memphis and fighting a civil war. See what happens there.

764
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: And it's like when we talk about like he's a

765
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: great man in this way, and also he had these

766
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: issues like gambling, it's like I think those things are

767
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: one and the same. Like a lot of his life

768
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: was gambling, Like let's just go see what happens when

769
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: we do this. Yeah, he gambled every time he settled

770
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: the horse, and he just happened to be really good

771
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: at so many things that made him win. And then

772
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: also figuring out which horse was fastest turned out to

773
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: not be one of those things that he was great.

774
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: But it was just like if you start from like

775
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: without like this like nest egg or this security BNKET

776
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a lot the risk assessment looks a

777
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: lot different. And so like if you are always living

778
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: in that place, especially when your brain is developing, then

779
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: later on down the road, it's like more of the same. Please. Yeah,

780
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: it's just interesting because we're looking at a ninety year

781
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: lifespand years later, you know, I think an important part

782
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: is if you've got foundational values, even though they might

783
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: be real Lucy goosey and then I'll kill somebody or

784
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But you know, he didn't have to

785
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: think about that. I mean, this work. These were reactions

786
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: that came from the heart. So he got up every day,

787
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, looking for adventure. I don't know what it was,

788
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: but he didn't deviate from his value system, which was

789
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: pretty loose. So kind of his value system was I'm

790
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: going to live my life the way I want to

791
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: live it, and I am. He didn't. I don't think

792
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: he realized this, but he was so far ahead of

793
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: everybody else and in making life work that Hey, if

794
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: he died, he didn't I don't know that he ever

795
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: thought about that. He could care. I mean, you know,

796
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: he was. He just he ran wide open. There wasn't

797
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot of gray area in his life or the

798
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: way he lived it. It would seem it was pretty well,

799
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: this happens, this is this is what happens when you

800
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: do this, and this is what happens when when you

801
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: do that. It was pretty automatic. Yeah, I think to

802
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: your point on how unique he is, I would like

803
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: to see a hundred people have a gun pointed at

804
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: him their horse buck and have the wherewithal the pull

805
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: gun and shoot a guy dead. That's pretty remarkable. I

806
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: would think, like, I'm totally out of this. You had

807
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: that happen. You shot a guy dead when your horse bucked.

808
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I didn't raise my hand then, Josh. But I feel

809
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: like that's a common skill set and it probably goes

810
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: to the like, uh, this made this analogy may not

811
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: make sense. But I got on a kick about reading

812
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: books about mountain men eighteen thirties, like Going West, and

813
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I was born in the wrong time.

814
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: I should have been done that, born born this time,

815
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: should have done all this. And then I got to think,

816
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, like I would be one

817
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: of the like countless guys who went off into the

818
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: wilderness and they never heard from again. Just like one

819
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: of the things that's really unique about is like, I'm

820
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: sure there was a lot of guys who lived that

821
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: way and had one bad day where they didn't you know,

822
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: they didn't make it. But he was just so uncommonly

823
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: good or lucky or whatever that like he made it

824
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: ninety in it and it worked out. Yeah, it's kind

825
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: of incredible. I mean, really his life story that he

826
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: made it to ninety and also has the story about

827
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: the horse bucking. Yeah, the gun and brought it down

828
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: on him and was an inch higher and didn't make

829
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: the horse buck. He might be dead, but he also

830
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: took that and had the skill to pull out his

831
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: gun and shoot the gut. It's just yeah, remarkable. Yeah,

832
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: I thought, was it ms Blanton, the mother of Greenville?

833
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty crazy story that she

834
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: basically talked him out of killing her husband. And I thought,

835
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: if one of you was going to kill Clay, Yeah,

836
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: could I prevent you just by asking you not to?

837
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Just politely asking not to? Do you think that would work?

838
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: You bring those cookies all? Do you think that was

839
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: like some some social aspect that I don't fully grasp,

840
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: like the I know, man, I know in my heart

841
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: threat to do it wasn't malicious because he killed him

842
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: by accident. He's trying to stab another guy and he

843
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: wind up stabbing Hines and killing him. I think if

844
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: he had done it maliciously, there would have been nothing

845
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: that could get him on the trail. Yeah, he liable

846
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: to shut her and the dog almost like he had

847
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: this honor burden to do something about it until something

848
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: until she was like, please don't, and he's like, I

849
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: think the difference was it was an accidental I agree,

850
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: because I think if he had maliciously done it, I

851
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: don't think anybody could have saved him. And and and

852
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: for the sake of storytelling, I'm sure some of it

853
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: gets condensed, but I wonder how much of it was.

854
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: He was in West Texas and here's so and so

855
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: stabbed your you're dude. He rides back to Mississippi and

856
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: when he gets there, he hears the whole story, like, ah, well,

857
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: came all this way. I kind of gotta follow up

858
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: on it. And this plant is like, please don't, and

859
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: he's like all right. Also, to Malachi's point, he's a

860
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: little older the prefrontal cortexas he's able to calculate several

861
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: days of writing, yeah, this a little may it may

862
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: have been the first grape or orange drink and plug

863
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: in the back and he got for yeah, yeah, now

864
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I found my calling in life. Yeah, you know, it

865
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: was just another easy decision. Life was just his puppet man,

866
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: his way. I see this guy, you know, you explain

867
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: what happened, and he goes, okay, that makes sense. I'll

868
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: go back to Texas or I'll kill somebody else. Yeah,

869
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: I will kill some bears. You know. Part of the

870
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: podcast that I really enjoyed was here in Minor talk

871
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: about the men at the end. What a what a

872
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: what an honorable recounting of these people that influenced him

873
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: and that he loved and cared for, and that that

874
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: that means a lot to me. I've I've I have

875
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of appreciation for the relationships that I have

876
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: in my life, and just to hear him talk about

877
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: it with such such fondness and such reverence of these

878
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: these guys that worked hard, and you know, maybe in

879
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the world's eyes may have been discounted,

880
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: but he recognized the intelligence and the and the the

881
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: ethic that we're inside of them, and how much he

882
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: appreciated it and drew things from their lives to apply

883
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: to his own was what really meant something to me too. Yeah,

884
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: I think you know with that, I think that stood

885
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: out to me as well. But I think if you

886
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: look at you know, why Monor did this, and you

887
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: look at Halt as kind of like a type in shadow,

888
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: and he said this like for for people who this

889
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: system like didn't allow them to thrive, right, And and

890
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: that's just not a race thing. That's there's multiple people

891
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: in multiple races that this them didn't allow you to thrive.

892
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, you look at Holts life

893
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: and it I think it shows the the potential when

894
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: I think things potentially work for everybody where people can

895
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: hone in their skills, people can make connections, people can

896
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: quote unquote you know, interact with individuals who they wouldn't

897
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: necessarily have the ability to interact, and their life produces fruit.

898
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: And I think Holtz life represents it's just a type

899
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: and shout of various individuals who either could produce fruit

900
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: inside the life or individuals who had the the potential

901
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: to produce that type of fruit, but the system prevented

902
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: them from from from from producing that type of fruit.

903
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: When I say system, that could be like an individual choice, right,

904
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: That can be somebody's your boss's perspective of you that

905
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: prevented you from from you know, rising, or that could

906
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: be anything. And so I just think it's I appreciate

907
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: people who take time to to get somebody flowers when

908
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: they can smell them, you know, and and show that

909
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, everything getting peachy. But there are people who

910
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: are who just life sets up in a way that

911
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: they can produce their fruit. And it shouldn't make you

912
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: thankful and make you a preach stuff if your life

913
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: is producing fruit, no doubt. Yeah, I think that was

914
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: probably my favorite part of this podcast, this particular episode.

915
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: I thought, again, it's just so intriguing, the whole his

916
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: whole life story, and it does make you think, I

917
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: think one of the things that guys like whole call

918
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: your and hearing their stories, because you know, this is

919
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: a man whose story was not told for for decades. Yeah,

920
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean what, no one knew this. People didn't even

921
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: know this guy existed until really the recent the recent history.

922
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: And um, can we give a big shout out to

923
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: Miner's daughter. Surely that book was dedicated there. Surely she

924
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: got the dedication at the begin anyway. But anyway, so

925
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a man whose story wasn't told

926
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: and and wasn't heard until just recently. And you think

927
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: about I think that when you hear those stories, and

928
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: when you hear about a man who who rose above

929
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: so many circumstances, and I agree with Gary, I mean,

930
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: clearly he's got these extraordinary, extraordinary talents, but also I

931
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: think that there is something inside of his character that

932
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: that is distinct, that's that's different, like the and and it.

933
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: To me, it always comes back to loyalty. And even

934
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: sitting around the fire with Teddy Roosevelt, he looks at

935
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: the grandson of his lawyer and says, well, can I

936
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: tell Can I tell that story? That was the thing

937
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: that I was thinking of, like what kind of I

938
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: just like to pause for just a second and point

939
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: out that Isaac has not let me finish a couple

940
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: of stories. Go ahead, I think, go ahead, Sorry, But

941
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: I was just listening to that, thinking like, how many

942
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: people like how uncommonly like magnet magnetic? Is this guy

943
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: that like he has long lasting aationships not just with

944
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: the lawyer but the next general right hearing that was

945
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: just like we didn't touch on that, like just hanging

946
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: out with the guy years and years. So people who

947
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: do that make you think about To me, their life

948
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: makes you think about your own personal philosophy, your own

949
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: personal responses, your own personal view. And I think the

950
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: complexity of his life and his responses and his decisions

951
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: had it makes me think about like broader things. Is

952
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: it okay that he gambled away his money, Like Am

953
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: I good with that? Like? I So, I've kind of

954
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: been thinking about that since I listened to the podcast,

955
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: just like you know, and I can. I can reason

956
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: away a bunch of that stuff and and and and

957
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: get to a good place with it. Not that it

958
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: matters what I think, but just as I'm as I'm

959
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: evaluating his life, it does. His life and lifestyle makes

960
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: me ask my own questions about my life and my

961
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: life philosophy. And I think these stories are so great

962
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for mine affairs Buchanan for telling it.

963
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: And I thought the his reason why he invested so

964
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: much of his time and energy into it was a

965
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: very honorable I found. No. I thought that was a

966
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: great a great way to end it, in a great

967
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: way to God, bless it. What is happening here? It's

968
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: all the chair. I just I don't I don't know

969
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: it's morphing into Clay. I'm going to get out, get

970
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: on one of his mules. I don't know what's happening.

971
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was going to say.

972
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that he invested a year and a

973
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: half in making his own thing and then said like,

974
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: this doesn't help whole like the history, this doesn't tell

975
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: this guy's story, this is my thing, throws it away

976
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: and starts like that was a lot of work. Yeah, yeah,

977
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: you know. They talked a lot about the about him,

978
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: asking if he could fess up to that he that

979
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: he killed James King, he'd already be he'd already been

980
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: acquitted to that. Yeah, double jeopardy. Yeah, what is double jeopardy?

981
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: That's how you're supposed to phrase that. But no, that's

982
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: the deal. They couldn't try him again. You can't be

983
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: tried for the same crime. No, he could have walked

984
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: out of there, get on that pop the wheelie on

985
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: that horse in the front of the courthouse and said

986
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: I did it okay, but could appealed it if no

987
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: more evidence came out. Once you're acquitted, that's it. Now,

988
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: that's the that is true. But Brent, I think in

989
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: the next episode some fishy stuff happens. That was the

990
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: other thing that I was going to say we were

991
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: going to have today is Yeah, it's a good thing

992
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say it because we would have blowne it

993
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, So I think the next episode is

994
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: going to be pretty great and I think it's going

995
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: to be our final, the final whole call your tune

996
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: in next time, next time, Batman, excuse me. Clay alluded

997
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: to a movie, and I just think about this as

998
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: a movie. Holy not being awesome. Yea fast almost. You

999
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: don't almost have to do one of those new like

1000
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: full blown mini series where you get ten episodes. I

1001
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: don't think you could fit it into a movie. You'd

1002
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: have to do like here's here's the whole call your movie.

1003
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: Tune in next time for where we cover everything after

1004
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: he turns eighteen. It's insane, all right, okay, well any

1005
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: other Oh, we didn't touch on the bear inside the

1006
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: log story, we don't have time for it. But remarkable

1007
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: trapped inside of a log by a dead bear that's

1008
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: gotten bloated, insane. Yeah, yeah, one of the many super crazy. Yeah,

1009
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: that would be the high point of someone's life. That

1010
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: would be the best story they had to tell. Definitely

1011
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: not be the high point in my life. Getting stuck

1012
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: in a like it might be the most remarkable. It's

1013
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: like this scary thing that I think could actually happen,

1014
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: and now that I know it has happened to someone,

1015
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: that's an impossible thing that could happen to me. Yeah,

1016
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: definitely a high point. Ye. Anybody else got closing thoughts,

1017
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: final thoughts. I'm ready for the next one. Good stuff.

1018
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah uh No struggle without Clay Bow, no struggle with

1019
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: no struggle with a him here, It's all good, all good.

1020
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: I think I'll be honest. I'm miss him. I'm missing

1021
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm his little face, even if he doesn't let me

1022
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: finish the story open to now. You haven't had to

1023
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: have to end to any story, No I haven't. I'm

1024
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: a terrible finisher and something that my whole family knows

1025
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: when it's time to leave. It's like shoot moms in

1026
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: their Yeah, well, I'm also a terrible finisher. Like I

1027
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: can't get out of a situation. I can't Clay and

1028
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: the kids. I'll say that I find it impossible to leave.

1029
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: It's like if there's an a fit, so we're just

1030
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to cut it off real abruptly, like my

1031
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: kids getting out of a situation. Make sure to write

1032
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: in to bear Grease the Meat Eater dot Com with

1033
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: your bear Grease bargain barn deals and we'll read him

1034
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: next week. I'm a nd see it. Then his birthday,

1035
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: poor