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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I Heart radio. And

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Speaker 1: so today, unfortunately, uh, we have to talk about abortion

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Speaker 1: not we can't not not talk about this. And christ

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Speaker 1: and A has been an amazing producer throughout with all

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Speaker 1: without complaint. So thank you. You're a real one for sure. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And as of June, I'm sure everyone knows and there's

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Speaker 1: of conversation that we have got to have. We will

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Speaker 1: continue to have and if you're upset that we'll continue

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Speaker 1: figured out just now this last year, that we are

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Speaker 1: pro choice in every way and we think that women

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Speaker 1: two years ago, to be honest, because if you're surprised

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Speaker 1: we're not surprised by the decision. We had our episode recently,

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