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Speaker 1: Neil Welcome in Lake is live it his Thursday Night,

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Speaker 1: February ninth, dear More Laura, twenty twenty three. A lot

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Speaker 1: of news breaks. Don't always know what it's gonna be,

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Speaker 1: but it's whincidence, folks, when that news breaks, and it's

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Speaker 1: right before this program goes on the air, and we

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Speaker 1: got some of it tonight. We're jam packed hi ATAP

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Speaker 1: A picture perfect downtown Nashville, Tennessee, made all the more

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Speaker 1: perfect because the poverty mic is out, and we got

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Speaker 1: the winnings from the Eagles NFC Championship game that I

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Speaker 1: promised to place into the purchase of a new mic,

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Speaker 1: got a new mic. We sound great now. Everything's wonderful

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Speaker 1: and well, and we got breaking news to talk about

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Speaker 1: in this new mic. The first segment that we ever

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Speaker 1: do in this thing will be about Texas and Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: coming to the SEC when next year breaking news just

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Speaker 1: moments ago. We will touch on that. Actually we'll lead

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Speaker 1: with it. I've got teams rising, I've got teams falling.

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Speaker 1: I've got some teams that maybe I disagree with in

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Speaker 1: terms of what the metrics say. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: a nice hard look at twenty twenty three tonight. What

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Speaker 1: do some of those numbers say, and what does the

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Speaker 1: old gut say, and which should we trust? There are

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Speaker 1: allegations that I have promised a certain message board in

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Speaker 1: our network that I will address tonight, and I will

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Speaker 1: indeed address those those allegations. Some of you, and I

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Speaker 1: won't say hoops yet, think that you have caught me

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Time will tell Lincoln Riley hype. We got

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Speaker 1: got a ton to get to this evening. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to do that little exercise about changing certain moments

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Speaker 1: have a show that could be two hours long. I

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Speaker 1: have no clue how long we're going tonight, but it

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Speaker 1: stands to reason if we're gonna go that long, it

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Speaker 1: should be on this night because we don't have a

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Speaker 1: show Sunday. Remember Super Bowl protocol in place, and we

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Speaker 1: don't have a show Tuesday, so the next time we're

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Speaker 1: live on this platform will be next Thursday night. However,

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Speaker 1: we will bring you a Late Kick Extra podcast on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: More on the Late Kick Extra podcast in just a

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Speaker 1: little while. They're watching us in Geraldine, Alabama. Good people

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Speaker 1: in Geraldine. I talked to at least one of them today.

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Speaker 1: They're watching us in Oxnard, California, LaBelle, Florida, and Champagne, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you more, thank yous later

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Speaker 1: in the show. So many good things happening. But we're

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Speaker 1: show about bombshell news. I think this qualifies as bombshell

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Speaker 1: only because we thought all hope was lost and then

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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, breaking new ouse courtesy of Ross Dellinger at

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Speaker 1: SI within the last thirty minutes timely reporting with this

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Speaker 1: show on deck at the top of the hour, Texas

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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma and their television partners have reached an early

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Speaker 1: exit agreement with the Big Twelve. They will head to

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Speaker 1: the SEC after this season. This twenty twenty three season

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Speaker 1: playing Big twelve football. They head to the SEC in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. How did they get this done? Well,

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Speaker 1: Report as to where those one hundred million dollars are

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Speaker 1: going to go. This is a good thing for everyone,

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Speaker 1: great for Brett Ormac. So that's the new Big twelve commissioner,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people still haven't put a name

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Speaker 1: And it paid dividends for the Big twelve here. He

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Speaker 1: We don't want him here. They don't want to be here.

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Speaker 1: The SEC does want them there. We're gonna make this happen,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna get some money. We're gonna get something.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna get played anymore. It's what he said

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Speaker 1: as a conference, We're going to do the playing. And

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Speaker 1: not only are we going to be aggressive on the

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Speaker 1: burning question in the room is where does that money go. Well,

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Speaker 1: it goes to be distributed equally amongst eight Big twelve

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Speaker 1: legacy schools. Good for you, guys, so you get a payday.

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Speaker 1: in terms of proactively going after other programs? You know,

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Speaker 1: I was adamant about one thing, and that is conference

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Speaker 1: Most people are convinced the Big ten's not done moving,

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Speaker 1: It's good for everyone though, because at number one it

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Speaker 1: You can't imagine the panic around here. Upper management today

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Speaker 1: a joke. Top ten pods worldwide. Globally sounds better. I

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Speaker 1: I think Bill Connelly, for my money, puts out one

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Speaker 1: teams out there that's in the one hundred and twenties

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Speaker 1: in overall returning production, not returning starters returning production. The

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Speaker 1: Bill Connolly ESPN dot Com metric is what we choose

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Speaker 1: to go off of. You have a new offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: you have a new defensive coordinator, you'll be breaking in

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Speaker 1: a new quarterback, and you are losing one of your

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Speaker 1: best overall offensive players at running back and Jamiir Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me about how you've recruited.

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Speaker 1: I can list those players' names off just as well

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Speaker 1: as you can. You don't have to do that for me.

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Speaker 1: I will just say I have seen Bama be in

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Speaker 1: the one hundreds in returning production before and go compete

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Speaker 1: for a title. They do it virtually every year. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not clinging to this number as much as it

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Speaker 1: sounds like I am. And I'm not even buying into

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Speaker 1: Bama making a fall. We don't do predictions record wise

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Speaker 1: on the show until August. I think they're in the

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Speaker 1: category of a team that would have a little a

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Speaker 1: little red dot next to their name if you're looking

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Speaker 1: at what has mattered in the past when it comes

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Speaker 1: to signifying which teams are gonna fall. Another one to

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Speaker 1: look at, and this will be no surprise whatsoever is TCU.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think I have to tell you the numbers,

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Speaker 1: but I will. They are one hundred and eighteenth overall

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Speaker 1: in returning production. Now, keep in mind, all we're looking

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Speaker 1: for is you to do worse this year than you

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Speaker 1: did the year before, and TCU made the playoffs so

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Speaker 1: like nothing short of they made the championship game, so

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Speaker 1: they would have to win the national title to improve.

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Speaker 1: So yes, of course they're gonna fall off. And even

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Speaker 1: if they were to bring back the same team, they

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Speaker 1: would fall off. But when you lose Max dug and

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Speaker 1: at quarterback Quentin Johnson has gone, Garrett Riley, your offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinators off to Clemson. One of the key stories of

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Speaker 1: this cycle. You've got so many close games on the

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Speaker 1: record last year that again, even if you brought the

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Speaker 1: same team back, could go either way. It's not realistic

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Speaker 1: to look at them and say, oh, they'll be right

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Speaker 1: back there this year. No, well, no they won't, or

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Speaker 1: if they are, you will have seen one of the

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Speaker 1: bigger miracles in the modern era of college football take place.

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Speaker 1: Some would argue, you already saw it last year. So

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Speaker 1: college football playoff appearance. That's tough. The Big Twelve is tough.

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Speaker 1: And I always get pushed back when I say that.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. It's a tough league. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to be winning back to back to back national championships

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Speaker 1: for me to think your league is tough. You know

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Speaker 1: what else the numbers say. The numbers say that South

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Speaker 1: Carolina qualifies as a team that should fall off this year.

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Speaker 1: What do we think about this? You know, you know

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Speaker 1: how sturdy the numbers market has been with South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: And by that I mean they haven't nailed him yet.

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Speaker 1: So if I were a game Cock fan up there

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Speaker 1: in Gaffney, South Carolina, this will be no skin off

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Speaker 1: my back. Predict us to do whatever you want to.

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Speaker 1: We're one hundred and second in returning production. Okay, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna put the over under at seven seven and a half. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So they've hit the over both years under Shane Beemer.

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Speaker 1: Their schedule is ridiculous, as it always is. They you know,

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Speaker 1: don't get me started on this unequal scheduling tangent, but

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Speaker 1: South Carolina this year they opened against North Carolina in Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's where it's a neutral site game. They

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Speaker 1: go to Georgia, they go to Tennessee, they go to Missouri,

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Speaker 1: They've got Clemson. At the end of the year, they

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Speaker 1: go to Texas A and M. It's a pretty brutal schedule.

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Speaker 1: I don't recommend scheduling Jacksonville State as one of you're

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Speaker 1: out of conference games. I personally don't recommend that you

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Speaker 1: do what you want to do up there. And they

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Speaker 1: got Furman and Week two, so the Powells come in,

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Speaker 1: the Paladins come in. But other than that, tough schedule,

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Speaker 1: tough schedule, they won eight games this past year and

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Speaker 1: won seven the year before. Now we're talking about teams

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Speaker 1: that are poised, at least numerically to take a step back.

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Speaker 1: If you win seven games against this schedule at South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: I think you've had a pretty good year. So Shane

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Speaker 1: Biemer could actually fall short of last year's win total.

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Speaker 1: And still have had a pretty good campaign. But then again,

506
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Speaker 1: I said that the year before and he overachieved. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm looking at what history says about your

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Speaker 1: returning production and what they have to face this year.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. The last one I want to

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Speaker 1: touch on is Utah back to Backpack twelve champions, and

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Speaker 1: if you look at the returning production metrics, Utah sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: So you might ask yourself self, liut Conrad Thompson, their self,

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Speaker 1: why would I doubt Utah. It's all about placement. They're

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Speaker 1: not coming off a seven to win season. They are

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Speaker 1: back to back conference champs out there. And when I

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Speaker 1: am thinking about Utah and whether they could take a

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Speaker 1: little step back, I'm not thinking about returning production as

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Speaker 1: much as I'm thinking about what the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve's doing. This is going to be a loaded

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Speaker 1: conference at quarterback this year. It's going to be a

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Speaker 1: very very high level offensive conference this year. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: I don't like some of the pieces Utah lost defensively.

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Speaker 1: And this is not Georgia. This is not where there

524
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Speaker 1: are just a bunch of creatures there on the defensive

525
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Speaker 1: depth chart that you've never heard the names of but

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Speaker 1: they're ready to play at an astronomically high level. That's

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Speaker 1: a developmental it's a developmental sport. But Utaw, even within

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Speaker 1: the context of that, is a developmental program. You don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of true freshmen out there shining, and

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Speaker 1: so they could buck that trend, of course, And in fact,

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Speaker 1: the trends say they should be good again this year,

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Speaker 1: and I think they will be good. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: necessarily saying they're my preseason favorite to win the conference.

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Speaker 1: That's all that would have to happen for them to

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Speaker 1: take a step back. And they play Florida in week

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Speaker 1: one and they go to Baylor in week two. So

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Speaker 1: if you want to accuse someone of not challenging themselves

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Speaker 1: out of conference, look elsewhere. Don't look in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a challenging follow up portion

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Speaker 1: to the show. So before I get to this, I

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Speaker 1: want to remind you to like the video. In fact,

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Speaker 1: there I just liked my own video lead by Action,

543
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Speaker 1: and I want you to subscribe to the channel, and

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Speaker 1: if you're listening on pod do that as well. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. All right, one sip from the chalice

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Speaker 1: and I think it's appropriately colored a little bit, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of orange in the Miami color scheme. And

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Speaker 1: I'm about to talk about a hefty allegation that's been

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Speaker 1: thrown my way. Okay, let me be responsible, let me

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Speaker 1: be tactful. Here, allegations have surfaced. The Florida State message

551
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Speaker 1: board is a buzz with allegations that I lied and

552
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Speaker 1: allegations that I think the thread title was rewrote history.

553
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Speaker 1: Like Mima said, allegations can only chase you if you

554
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Speaker 1: run from them. So I'm here. I am the face

555
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Speaker 1: of those allegations. Allegedly they came from my mouth. And

556
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Speaker 1: you don't have to just blindly accept the allegations because

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Speaker 1: I sent director Colin and producer Jesse over to the

558
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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports FSU message board and I said,

559
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Speaker 1: do some digging. What are they saying about me over there?

560
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Speaker 1: I eventually made my way over there myself, and I've

561
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Speaker 1: got to give it to you. It looks like you

562
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Speaker 1: got me. So let's just summarize for the viewing public.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening on podcasts, I'll tell you what we're

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Speaker 1: looking at. Here is a picture of the tweet it

565
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Speaker 1: first came to our attention from a tweeter out there,

566
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Speaker 1: and if you can't tell what you're looking at, that's okay.

567
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Speaker 1: I will zoom in a little bit. The first picture

568
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Speaker 1: that you need to see is a screen grab from

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Speaker 1: a show we did probably in August. It's when we

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Speaker 1: were doing acc record predictions, and you see there. This

571
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Speaker 1: is just a zoomed in view of what was in

572
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Speaker 1: the tweet. The prediction on this show, from yours truly

573
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Speaker 1: from Miami, was for them to go ten and two. No,

574
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Speaker 1: obviously they fell well short of that. People have been

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Speaker 1: wrong on predictions before, right, Well, that's not where they

576
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Speaker 1: thought they got me. Where they alleged to have got

577
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Speaker 1: me is a very fresh show. Sound Bites from just

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. We were talking about Miami

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Speaker 1: on signing day and someone on the FSU message board

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Speaker 1: took notice of me saying the following, Miami, let me

581
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Speaker 1: ask you a question, what did you expect from Mario

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Speaker 1: Christabaul when he got to Miami. I personally did not

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Speaker 1: expect them to immediately compete for fill in the blank.

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect them to get beat by the teams

585
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Speaker 1: they got beat by last year. But the first thing

586
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Speaker 1: I thought about when Mario went to Miami is ooh recruiting?

587
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Speaker 1: So which is it, buddy? Are they going ten and

588
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Speaker 1: two or do you expect nothing from them? Are they

589
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Speaker 1: double digit wins? Or are they not going to contend

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Speaker 1: for anything? Now? Does this make me look bad? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do I sound like a hypocrite? Absolutely? Am I gonna

592
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Speaker 1: try and wiggle my way out of this? You bet?

593
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Speaker 1: Watch this? As you know, on this program, I notoriously

594
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Speaker 1: hate predictions. Why because it entraps you and it can

595
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: make you look stupid when you're wrong. And I don't

596
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: like those sorts of situations, classic fence writing technique. And

597
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Speaker 1: so there is a long standing rule on this program

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Speaker 1: that when a prediction is right, I take the credit,

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Speaker 1: and when a prediction is wrong, it was the model's fault. Famously,

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Speaker 1: I thought the computer model that we use on this

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Speaker 1: program when it comes to Texas all year, the computer

602
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Speaker 1: model probably still thinks Texas should have been in the playoff,

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Speaker 1: And I was just dismissing it at every turn. You're wrong, model,

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, And so, as memory serves Jesse, don't correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Actually, that's opposite of what I'm

606
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Speaker 1: trying to do here. But if memory serves, when we

607
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Speaker 1: were in August, I had them, had the production team

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Speaker 1: generate via graphic what the model thought the records would

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Speaker 1: be of teams, and the model spat out ten and

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Speaker 1: two as the most likely record for Miami. For the record,

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Speaker 1: its best case was eleven and one and the worst

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Speaker 1: case was six and six. So the model model kind

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Speaker 1: of went Texas A and m on us there. It

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Speaker 1: was worse than the model's worst case scenario from Miami

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Speaker 1: this year. Do I take full responsibility? No? Do I

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Speaker 1: take some responsibility. I guess, as Eryl Crow would say

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Speaker 1: and me maw, if it makes you happy, it can't

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Speaker 1: be that bad. But I gave no win projection. If

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Speaker 1: you'll notice, even in the sound bite Colin, can you

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Speaker 1: can you actually no, I'm not gonna ask you do

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Speaker 1: that again. But the SoundBite that Colin just played, if

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Speaker 1: you'll notice, I said I didn't expect them to contend

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Speaker 1: for anything. And I think, as history has shown us,

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at Miami schedule from this year right now,

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Speaker 1: even if they went ten and two, if the losses

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Speaker 1: were to a couple of conference opponents, they probably still

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have contended for anything, but in good faith, I

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Speaker 1: will acknowledge that if you're predicting someone to go ten

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Speaker 1: and two, yes, you're probably expecting them to contend for something.

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Speaker 1: The third excuse I would like to make for myself tonight.

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Speaker 1: Make no mistake, that's absolutely what I'm doing is stacking

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Speaker 1: excuses so that hopefully the stack gets high enough that

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Speaker 1: I can hide behind them. There's just a lot to remember.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot to remember. If you want to

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Speaker 1: participate in an exercise with me, I would encourage you

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Speaker 1: to do this. I want you to take like fifty

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Speaker 1: things that you think about the twenty twenty three season,

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Speaker 1: and I want you to lick the pen there, and

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Speaker 1: I want you to write them all down, and then

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Speaker 1: I want you to wat them up and bury them

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Speaker 1: in your backyard, and then I get to go dig

642
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: them up with your permission, of course, in December. And

643
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: watch how frequently I read things off that piece of

644
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: paper that you look at and scoff. I didn't say that.

645
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: I didn't think that happens to me all the time.

646
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: I just have the unfortunate task of being live here

647
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: and getting it thrown in my face. That's the breaks

648
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: I signed up for it. I get it, so yes, people,

649
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I made a very hypocritical statement about Miami,

650
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: and I am here to cowardly wait until the end

651
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: of the segment to take a stand, but take a stand. Nonetheless,

652
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: I am doing side note and I mean this in

653
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: all sincerity. It's good to have FSU fans back because

654
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: you guys disappeared on me for a little while, and

655
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: I wondered if we would ever reunite. But here we are,

656
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: and it feels so good. All right, I've done my

657
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: due diligence. That felt like community service to me. But

658
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I've done what I came here to do. But the

659
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: show's not nearly over yet. It's time for a much

660
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: more fruitful and enjoyable exercise for me. When would it

661
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: have been? About five days ago? I put out a

662
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: tweet just passing the time. I think I was in

663
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: the middle of sets at the gym, and I said, Hey,

664
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: what would you change about this sport to just blow

665
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: up the entire history of college football? What moments could

666
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: you change that would just send shock waves throughout the

667
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: sport way beyond just maybe the teams or two that

668
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: it involved. Texas Texas Tech two thousand and eight was

669
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: one of the popular submissions. And the question, of course,

670
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: is what happens if the Graham Herald to Michael Crabtree

671
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: pass doesn't happen it falls in complete? Do you remember

672
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: what the situation was? Texas is number one in the country.

673
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Both of these teams are eight to no It's early November.

674
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: There is no time left on the clock. It's thirty

675
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: three to thirty two Texas until it wasn't and the

676
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Red Raiders, led by Mike Leach at the time, walk

677
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: it off, stun silence on the long hoard sideline. We

678
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: don't have a twelve team playoff here. You can't afford

679
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: to lose. Some of you think these moments will still happen. No,

680
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: they won't. This will be a bygone era one day

681
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: soon kind of already is Texas was out. That was it.

682
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy looks devastated because he is, because they fell

683
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: from being the number one team in the country to

684
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: number five after that loss. But what if he dropped

685
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: the ball? What if it got batted incomplete? What if

686
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: time just runs out and Texas wins thirty three to

687
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: thirty two. Well, I'll tell you the first thing that

688
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: would have happened is Texas would have left Lubbock, Texas

689
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: as the number one team in the country. And here's

690
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: why that's significant. Remember what the championship game was that year.

691
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: It ended up being Oklahoma and Florida. Oklahoma loses to

692
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Florida and Tim Tebow. Sam Bradford and Oklahoma lose to

693
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow in Florida. Texas beat Oklahoma that year by ten. Actually,

694
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: and so I have just unfettered curiosity and you know

695
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: how rarely I use that word, but just unfettered amounts

696
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: of curiosity about how Texas would have fared the rest

697
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: of the season, because even as it was, they didn't

698
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: lose another game. I want to know how Texas, who

699
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: ended up finishing number three in the country, how they

700
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: would have fared against the Florida Gators. How differently could

701
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: we possibly remember Colt McCoy, Cause the next year they

702
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: go to the title game. But that's the whole if

703
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: Colt didn't get hurt thing, and so as a result,

704
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: he never wins a title there and with that current team,

705
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Mac Brown never wins a title. In fact, Mac Brown

706
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: never wins another title at Texas. How differently could we

707
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: remember them. How differently could the Big Twelve have looked

708
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: and how differently could things have played out for Florida.

709
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. But on the other side of it,

710
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Jesse told me earlier today, I think it was Stuart

711
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: Mandel that voted this the number one game of two

712
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. I would agree, And that was a

713
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: crazy year. Coming off the craziest year in the history

714
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: of the sport. Oh eight was pretty crazy too. That's

715
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: before Saban and Bama have have ascended to the mountaintop.

716
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: They're on their way, but they wouldn't win their first

717
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: title until the next year. So it's Urban Meyer and Florida.

718
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: We're a few We're a couple of years from move

719
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: from the Vince Young Texas National title win. So it

720
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: feels like there's a lot up for grabs in the sport.

721
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: LSU and less miles two losses had won the title

722
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: the previous year, so we were in a stretch there

723
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: where a different team had won the title several years

724
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: in a row. It was like Miami, Ohio State LSU

725
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: and three USC and four and then you had Texas

726
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: and five. Six is Florida. Seven's LSU again and then

727
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: eight who knows Texas may get right back into the

728
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: equation until they don't. But think about this. That game

729
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: came to define Mike Leach. That game came to define

730
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Texas Tech for a generation of people, pretty much my age,

731
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: people in their late twenties to thirties. They think about

732
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. They think about that moment, they think about

733
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: Mike Leach, they think about that moment. Michael Crabtree ended

734
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: up being the first top ten draft pick. He ended

735
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: up being the highest draft pick out of Texas Texans

736
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five. Graham Harrow. When you think of him,

737
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the moment. So so much got defined

738
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: that night. That just changing one little thing, one little

739
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: drop pass, who knows how the rest of history would

740
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: have played out. Oh and by the way, there is

741
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: the not so insignificant matter of the Heisman Trophy because

742
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's Sam Bradford ended up winning that thing over Colt McCoy,

743
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: who was number two. If Colt McCoy and Texas end

744
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: up winning that game, he probably wins the Heisman Trophy

745
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: because you would have had voters. Even though I don't

746
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: think it's supposed to come down to this, you certainly

747
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: would have had voters who looked and said, well, if

748
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: they're equal. In my mind, Colt did beat Sam Bradford

749
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: on the field, even though they were never on the field.

750
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: At the same time, I have no love loss for

751
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: the Heisman voting process. I'm just saying he may very

752
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: well have won. Oh for the record, timp teboth finished third.

753
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: There if what if Texas Tech and that pass at

754
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: the end of regulation falls incomplete? What if? Now? If

755
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: you think that one's crazy, way do you see what

756
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: I have you in? Just a second? Before that, though,

757
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I've got to tell you they're watching us. I know Califlorida, Sacramento, California,

758
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: and post it pop So So, Mississippi, which is very

759
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: near Laurel, Mississippi. And why do I know all of

760
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: this because that is some of the most ripe storm

761
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: chasing country in the Southeast, very treacherous terrain. Don't recommend it.

762
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: In fact, chasing in Mississippi is a fool's errand even

763
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: for the most seasoned of storm chasers. But you know,

764
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: if we're not going to be foolish, who's going to

765
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: be foolish? So So So Mississippi. Good to hear from you, guys.

766
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: I got another what if for you tonight? You want

767
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: to change one moment in the history of this sport

768
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: to send shockwaves throughout the entire sport. I want to

769
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: take you back to two thousand and five. I guess

770
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: it would have been there's a recruitment going on, I

771
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: would say even to this day, including Arch Manning. It's

772
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: the highest profile recruitment in college football history. Who am

773
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: I talking about? Kids? That would be Timothy tebou of

774
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Niece High School. Tim Tebow is down to Florida and

775
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: Alabama and at the time, that is a brand new

776
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer versus Mike Shula at Alabama in the recruitment

777
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: of the number one player, number one quarterback in the country.

778
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: This was I cannot convey in strong enough terms for

779
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: those of you in high school right now, my early

780
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: college audience. In other words, if you just weren't old

781
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: enough to have gone through this and known what you

782
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: were watching, I cannot convey to you in strong enough

783
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: terms what this did for college football and college football recruiting.

784
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: This took a cottage industry and put it on the

785
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: map nationally. The Tim Tebow recruitment, I think is the

786
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: biggest single recruitment in the history of of the recruiting industry,

787
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: because up until then some hardcore people were into it,

788
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: like folks like us would have already been into it.

789
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: This got folks who say the word off season involved

790
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: in college football recruiting. This got folks who waited until

791
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: fall to open up a newspaper and say, let's see

792
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: who we got on the team this year. They followed

793
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow's recruitment and then registered at Rivals dot com

794
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: and scout dot com afterwards. I mean, this is pre

795
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. This is this is a different world,

796
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: but this kind of made the world that we live

797
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: in today. Tim Tebow on National signing Day, commits to

798
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer and the Florida Gators. I'll ask you a

799
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: question many people have asked before, and I've got my

800
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: thoughts on it. What if he would have chosen Alabama?

801
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: This was neck and neck. There was no fill in

802
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: the blank, and it's not close. There was no Oh,

803
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: it was always going to be Florida. This was neck

804
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: and neck from the horse's mouth, neck and neck. The

805
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: first thing that I think about when I think about

806
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: the what if with Tim Tebow if he goes to Alabama.

807
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: I'll get to all that in a second. What would

808
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: it have done for Florida. Everyone wants to go to

809
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Saban immediately, I go to Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer had

810
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: not won a national championship yet. He had Chris Leak

811
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: at Florida. He was about to win one in six

812
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: and Tibo was a part of that team and played some,

813
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: but it didn't really become his team until the next year.

814
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Would things still have worked out as they did without

815
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Tim Teba? Think about writing the history of Florida football.

816
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Minus Tim Tebow, you're looking at, I think, probably the

817
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: most famous college football player in our generation. And even

818
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: if you disagree with that, certainly right there in the

819
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: top five. So if I remove him, I take down

820
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: the statue down there. I don't know which championships I remove.

821
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: Who knows. Maybe they would have recruited over him and

822
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: they would have been just fine. It's hard to think

823
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: they would have seamlessly gone about their business minus a

824
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: generation player. That's the first thing I think about the

825
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: impact on a major program at Florida and what it

826
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: does for Tim Tebow. Does Dan Mullen just think about

827
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator there? Does Dan Mullen end up garnering

828
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the attention that he ended up garnering for just being

829
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: associated with that, and he was a big part of it, obviously.

830
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: That's first thing I think about. Second thing, what does

831
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: it do for Bama? You know where I'm going with this.

832
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: This is why it sent shockwaves beyond just the program

833
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: at Florida. As I said, it's Mike Shula and Alabama

834
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: at the time, and it was a very interesting time

835
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: in Crimson Tide football. They were coming off this ten

836
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: win season I believe in two thousand and five, a

837
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: regular season. They may have won the bowl game in

838
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: one eleven, so they had their best team they had

839
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: in a while. But they got later in the year

840
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: and it was pretty clear Alabama was not on the

841
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: level of USC or Oklahoma or Texas that year, but

842
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: they were kind of in that next tier. But people

843
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: were thinking, Hey, maybe Mike Shula's finally rounding the program

844
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: in the forum. Well by six it was obvious. No,

845
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: it was kind of a blip on the radar screen

846
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: and he's out. So they fire him after the six

847
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: season and they hire a guy by the name of

848
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. That's how history ended up going. If Tim

849
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: Tebow commits to Alabama. That is not how history would

850
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: have gone. I have a strong suspicion a player the

851
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: caliber of Tim Tebow would have been good enough to

852
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: come in right behind Brody Coral and then start immediately.

853
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: And secondly, I have a suspicion they would have won

854
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 1: enough games for Mike Shula, the guy responsible for landing him,

855
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: to maintain his employment there in Tuscaloosa, Which means when

856
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: mal Moore flies down to meet with Wayne Heizinga, the

857
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: owner of the Miami Dolphins, scratch that because it doesn't

858
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: happen because he's not firing a coach. Therefore, he doesn't

859
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: have a job to offer Nick Saban. Where does Nick

860
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Saban end up? Where does he end up? Tebo has

861
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: a direct impact on this where, because I think Saban

862
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: would have come back to college. I don't think he

863
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: was going to stay in Miami. He may have been

864
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: there the next season, but I don't think he was

865
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: just going to remain in the NFL. I think he

866
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: was coming back to college. Where was he coming back

867
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: to Because there was no previous tie with Alabama, Alabama

868
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: just happened to be the job that was open and

869
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: the one that made the sense for him to take

870
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: at the time. It could have just as easily been

871
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Michigan or LSU again, Florida, could have been at Georgia.

872
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: He would have taken any of those. None of those

873
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: happened to be open at the time. But think about that,

874
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: you want to send a shockwave through the sport. The

875
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: last the better part of the last two decades at

876
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: this point, fifteen years, sixteen years, they've been defined by

877
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: either Alabama's going to win the title or someone had

878
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: to beat them to win the title. It's been that

879
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: way every year. Heisman trophies, national championships, conference championships, first

880
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: round draft picks more of those than losses. I erase

881
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: all that. Potentially it's a different outcome in one recruitment.

882
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I think that you could make the argument that changing

883
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: that moment potentially changes as much about this sport as

884
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: any singular moment you could change in the modern era.

885
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: You're talking about obviously, not like changing integration or anything

886
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: like that in a bygone era, But as far as

887
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: it comes to plays or individual moments, it's hard to

888
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: argue that there's one that maybe changes more things than that,

889
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: because then you could also think about how many coaches

890
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: have lost their jobs because they couldn't beat Saban. You

891
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: can think about how many coaches careers have been made

892
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: for coaching under Saban. How do I know all that

893
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: still would have happened. I don't because a lot of

894
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have. So yeah, you see quickly how this

895
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: exercise can get out of control. Appreciate you guys being

896
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: tuned in live, by the way, and look, you got

897
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: plenty of time to watch this replay because we're not

898
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: going to have another Late Kick Live until next Thursday.

899
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: So whenever you're watching, just make sure you like the

900
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: video and subscribe to the channel. I had a question,

901
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: you know what before before before we get into this, Colin,

902
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: before we go to the USC question, I have to

903
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: give a shout out. I'm not going to tee up

904
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: the video. If you want to see the video, you

905
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: can go to my Twitter account at Late Kick Josh.

906
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: There was a big upset in our office last night.

907
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: And normally I mentioned Jesse's name on the show. I

908
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Colin's name on the show. And you've heard me

909
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: mention Bradlee or Belchie every now and then, but normally

910
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: you have to ascend to producer or director's status for

911
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: you to have a reoccurring mention on the show. But

912
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: Bradley has got his face on a Wheti's box today

913
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: courtesy of our Aaron Grisham, because Bradley is horrific at

914
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: ping pong. He had never played the sport before he

915
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: got here, and we put point spreads on every ping

916
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: pong game that happens in this office. And on an

917
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: unrelated note, your boy's one sixty four and four right now.

918
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: But on a related note, Bradley, aside from from some

919
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: dial up like FCS level games, had not won a

920
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: ping pong match. And he goes into last night and

921
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: he's a ten and a half point dog. And not

922
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: only does Bradley cover, but this young man right here,

923
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: who hails from Montgomery, Alabama, pulled the upset of the

924
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: year in our office. And that's why his face is

925
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: on a Wheeti's box in my hand right now, because Bradley,

926
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: he deserves it. Making health each you know, some of

927
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: the other some of the other printings on that are

928
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of false advertising, but good for Bradley. Thumbs up

929
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: approval for Bradley for pulling off the upset. I just

930
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: want to keep you guys up to date with what

931
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: happens when we're off the year. Okay, now we can

932
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: get to the question that has me a little bit

933
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: fired up. Third sip from the chalice before we get

934
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: into this may actually drain the chalice tonight. I got

935
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: to compose myself this one. I just this is me

936
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: composing myself. I get a little mad, unnecessarily so at

937
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: these sorts of questions. And I hope you guys out

938
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, particularly my brethren on the Peristyle,

939
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: I hope you guys are paying attention to how much

940
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm about to mount up and go to war for you. Okay,

941
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: here's the question. Harper from Delaware, Ohio. I appreciate you

942
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: tuning in, Harper, but I'm angry with you. He said,

943
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: why the hype around Lincoln Riley when he hasn't proven

944
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: he could win at all? This is a lie. This

945
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: is a lie. This is total fabrication. Lincoln Riley hasn't

946
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: proven he could win. It's a lie. This is where

947
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: I wish that I could just skype people in and

948
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: debate them, because I would eviscerate you right now if

949
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: you suggested to me Lincoln Riley hasn't proven he can win, Like,

950
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? So push that out of

951
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: that's nonsense. Push that out of the way. Let's just

952
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: talk about the tea up to the point he made

953
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: there the hype. Why is there so much hype around

954
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley? Cause, frankly, I don't have a lot of

955
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: people tell me Lincoln Riley hasn't proven he can win.

956
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: I think most people can look at the fact that

957
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: the dudes won double digits every year but the COVID

958
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: year and understand, Yeah, he's proven he can at least win.

959
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: I think most people understand that. But I do have

960
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: several of you tell me Lincoln Riley's overrated and Lincoln

961
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: Riley's over hyped, And I'm just I ask you, what's

962
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: the hype? What have I said about him that's not true?

963
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: What hype have we contributed to that's not true? To

964
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: remind you, the guy's been a double digit game winner

965
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: every year he's been a head coach aside from the

966
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: COVID year. He develops quarterbacks. I've said that about him.

967
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: It's not a lie. It's got a Heisman finalist every

968
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: year they've won three of them. He's never finished lower

969
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: than twelfth as a head coach in the final Apop Pole.

970
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: It's got the third highest winning percentage amongst active head coaches.

971
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: That's higher than say, that's higher than smart. What about

972
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: that is hype? You've never heard me say he's the

973
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: preminent favorite to win the national championship any given year.

974
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: I've never predicted, and to win one, that would be hype.

975
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: If he didn't follow through on that, that would be hype,

976
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: and it would be my fault, not his. By the way,

977
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: what's the hype? And then, on a related note, if

978
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: that's over hyping him, what should I be saying to

979
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: accurately portray Lincoln Riley? What should I say about him?

980
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: Because you haven't won multiple national championships, you're just a

981
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: poverty coach? Is that what we're saying about him? I

982
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: want you to I want you to tell me with

983
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: a straight face that if they gave you a national

984
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: platform and put a brand new microphone in your face,

985
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: you would say that and expect to be taken seriously.

986
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: You don't have to like him, you don't have to

987
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: root for him, but have some logic behind what you

988
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: ask me. I opened the mailbox for a reason. We

989
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: opened the DMS for a reason. But you can't come

990
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: at me with Lincoln Riley hasn't proven he can win.

991
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Answer? Yes? At least the question is,

992
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: but look, I brought a friend along tonight. You don't

993
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: have to just take my word for it because you

994
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: may not value my opinion. I wanted to go to

995
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: someone who, especially in the college football world, has a

996
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: pretty sterling reputation. He's been around the block of time

997
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: or two. So don't take my word for it. Let's

998
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: go to friend of the program, Nicholas Sabin and see

999
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: what he's had to say recently about Lincoln Riley.

1000
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 2: When he wanted a transfer, he said, well, I feel

1001
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: comfortable going to Maryland because coach Locksley was my coach,

1002
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: or going to Miami because Danny Enos was my coach,

1003
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 2: and or I could go to Oklahoma. And I said, boy,

1004
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: who has the best players? He wanted to go to

1005
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: Maryland in Miami, I said, you need to go to Oklahoma.

1006
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: They got the best players, so best coach to develop

1007
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: you as a quarterback, and you're going to be around

1008
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: the best players, So that's going to enhance your chances

1009
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: of having success. So he did that he had a

1010
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: great year. I was worried about have to play him

1011
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: in the playoffs quarterback that never worked out that way.

1012
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: Conversation this week that was via the thirty third Team podcast,

1013
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: and that is Nick Saban talking about how he facilitated

1014
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts transfer parts, looks at Maryland, hearts sees comfort level,

1015
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: and Saban says, you need to go play for the

1016
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: best coach with the best players, the one that can

1017
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: develop you the best. It's talking about Lincoln Riley. That's

1018
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: another head coach talking and one that's won several of

1019
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: those fabled national championships that Lincoln Rally hasn't gotten yet

1020
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: yet is a keyword here. You know, we've made the

1021
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: point a time or ten lately that there's a difference

1022
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: between have not and cannot, And right now Lincoln Riley

1023
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: has not won a national championship, and some of you

1024
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: are misguided enough to think that means he cannot win

1025
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: a national championship. And so I want to remind you

1026
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: of something. I want to tell you a little story,

1027
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: but I don't have to make it up. It really happened.

1028
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: There was this guy who had never been a coordinator before.

1029
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: He had never been a head coach before, and all

1030
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden he got elevated to being the head

1031
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: coach of a major program, a storied program. And he

1032
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: didn't win a championship his first year, or his second year,

1033
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: or his third year or his fourth year. In fact,

1034
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: he lost at least two games every one of those seasons.

1035
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: His name was Dabos Swinny. By the way, he's the

1036
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: head coach at Clemson. The year is twenty fourteen. You

1037
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and I are having a conversation. What would you have

1038
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: said if I told you this dude over here that

1039
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: some of you thinks a little bit goofy's certainly unorthodox,

1040
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: is going to win two of the next three national championships. Well,

1041
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: he's going to play for one both years. He's going

1042
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: to win one two years from now, he's going to

1043
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: win another one two years after that. He's going to

1044
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: go to the playoff every year, and he's going to

1045
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: rewrite the record books in the process. What would you

1046
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: have said to me in twenty fourteen, I'll tell you

1047
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: exactly what you would have said after you got done laughing.

1048
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: You would have said, I have us when he can't

1049
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: win a national championship and I would have said to

1050
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: you then exactly what I'm saying about Lincoln Riley. Now, No,

1051
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: he hasn't won a national championship. He can, he can,

1052
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: he just hasn't. So right now, what's holding Lincoln Riley back?

1053
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: His defenses aren't good enough. That's what's holding him back.

1054
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's extremely young. Lincoln Riley's got his entire future

1055
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: in front of him. So you can either choose to

1056
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: believe that a guy that's sharp and he is one

1057
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: of the brightest in the business is either going to

1058
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: sit there and never change a thing about his program

1059
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: in the face of very subpar results defensively, or you

1060
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: can do like me and say, I don't know if

1061
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: he's going to figure it out overnight, but eventually that

1062
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: guy is going to get it figured out. Quarterback's never

1063
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: going to be a problem for him. Recruiting's not going

1064
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: to be a problem for him. Acquiring talent period is

1065
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: not going to be a problem for him. Salary, the

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00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: ability to go pay high p file coordinators to come

1067
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: in and coach his defense. If Alex Grinch isn't the

1068
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: guy is not going to be a problem for him.

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: He could be there twenty years for all I know.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be a contender, virtually every

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Speaker 1: one of them, and I think there is a national

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: championship or maybe more than one in his future. So

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: the question was, why are we over hyping him? He

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00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: hasn't proven he can win. That's foolish. He has proven

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: time and time again. In fact, he's yet to have

1076
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: a season where he proves he can't win. If this

1077
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: last season should have been that year he refused to

1078
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: even lose in his first year at USC. So I

1079
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: do things to that question that I can't say on air.

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00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: I dismiss it. That's what I can tell you on air.

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Speaker 1: Next up, we continue in the Late Kick mail Bag.

1082
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: Some of this was for the Late Kick Extra podcast,

1083
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: and we had thousands of submissions, so obviously I couldn't

1084
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: answer all thousand or two, and so I'm putting some

1085
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: of them in tonight's show. A reminder again, as I'm

1086
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: about to get into this one. If you haven't listened,

1087
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: I think we did a jam up job myself and

1088
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: the production staff on the Lake Kick Extra pod. It's

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: back for those of you who've been tuned out, and

1090
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: it's evergreen. You can listen to it. Whenever you want to.

1091
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't lose its relevance. We dropped it Tuesday. If

1092
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: you go look anywhere you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple, wherever,

1093
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: it's in the podfeed on Tuesday, but it's not on

1094
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel, so you got to go to the

1095
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: pod feed to get it. And it was about an

1096
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: hour and we hit a whole lot, a whole lot

1097
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: college football and beyond. Matt hit us up and Matt said,

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00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: in the first ten years of the expanded college football playoff,

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00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: how many times do you think we'll have an all

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: SEC semi final? Matt from the Midwest. He hails from

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Speaker 1: the Midwest. Matt, I don't. It's not out of the

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00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: realm of possibility. I know. This is the biggest fear

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: tactic that a lot of my people are using right now,

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: anti expansion types. They're out there on the streets saying,

1105
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: you better be careful, you're gonna have an all SEC

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: semi final. Mathematically, that's really hard to swing because you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have six spots that go to conference champs, so

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: one of those will be an SEC team, and then

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01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: you've got six at large bids. So to even get

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Speaker 1: four SEC teams in there, you got to have another

1111
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: three of them jammed up pretty tight, which happens. Didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily happen this past year, but it could happen. But

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Speaker 1: even then, there's an important thing to note as we

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Speaker 1: dive into this possibility. You've got to get the seeding right.

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: And I know that the playoff committee is going to

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: tell you they pay no mind to potential future matchups

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01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: when they initially seed the playoff. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: lie in the new playoff because I think there is

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Speaker 1: no chance, or at least I think they're gonna minimize

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Speaker 1: the risk of ending up with three or four SEC

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Speaker 1: teams semi final. What do I mean by that? I

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01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: mean if there is no rule instituted that says you

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Speaker 1: can't play one of your own in the first round,

1124
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna match up those SEC teams as early as

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: they can to knock at least one of them out

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Speaker 1: by default. So, just for fun, I had producer Jesse

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: go and populate the twelve team playoff field from this

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Speaker 1: past year. What would it have looked like? Again, I

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: want to stress, just because this was the top twelve

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean if we had a twelve team playoff this

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Speaker 1: is how they would have seeded it. In other words,

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Speaker 1: they knew it doesn't matter if we put Tennessee at

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: eight or nine or ten, they're not in the playoff

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Speaker 1: either way. Well, if we knew we had a twelve

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: team playoff and we had we had some angles that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to go about in that room, maybe we're

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01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: a little more strategic. But for broad Strokes' purposes, here's

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Speaker 1: how it would have looked. Georgia, Michigan, Clemson in Utah

1139
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: would have gotten buys. Again, I want to emphasize how

1140
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: big a joke it is that we are in instituting

1141
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: a model where the Clemson Tigers would have gotten a

1142
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: first round by because they won a landfill of a conference.

1143
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: But that's what we have. So anyway, that would have

1144
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: been your top four. You would have had Bama at seven,

1145
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: you would have had Tennessee at eight. You would have

1146
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: three SEC teams en period, so certainly you're not getting

1147
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: four of them in the semi final. That was a

1148
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: down year. You could say, Josh, well, you know, goodwell,

1149
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: there are some years where there would have been many

1150
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,439
Speaker 1: SEC teams up there. I know that, certainly know that. Okay,

1151
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: So let's say it was an up year for the SEC.

1152
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: Let's say they got four of them in here, maybe five,

1153
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: who knows, even so, getting all four of those to

1154
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: perfectly be seeded to where they can all advance and

1155
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: meet each other in the semi finals, that's going to

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: be hard. Not impossible, but hard. Three out of the

1157
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: four lot more likely. At least two out of the

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: four is likely. I think mathematically that's just likely most years.

1159
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Speaker 1: That's not what you should be asking yourself. The question

1160
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: of will they ever get all four, That's not what

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01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: you should be asking yourself. What you need to be

1162
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: asking yourself is do they get two or three out

1163
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: of the four in there? Therefore, how often? How high

1164
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: is the likelihood that we get all SEC national Championship games?

1165
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: Now you may say to me, well, we already had

1166
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: one in twenty eleven, didn't we We already had another

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: one in twenty seventeen, We had another one in what

1168
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Speaker 1: was it twenty twenty two? Yeah, last year or twenty

1169
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: twenty one? Sure did? A lot had to go, right.

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Speaker 1: I am just telling you, if you run the numbers,

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01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: I think you are entering an era where it is

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 1: more likely statistically, did you get an all SEC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: Now you think I'm fear mongering, Well, of course I

1174
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: am not really, because it's fruitless at this point. I

1175
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: don't care. At this point, you're giving me what you're

1176
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: giving me. I don't care. I just want to remind

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: you there's nowhere else to go. Like if you're getting

1178
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: that result and you end up not liking it and

1179
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: you end up having some really uncomfortable pairings in the

1180
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: semis in the final, you got what you got because

1181
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: I've got all of you on the record now that

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: this is going to be good for the sport and

1183
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: it ultimately if you're saying this thing, expanding it because

1184
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: you want more of that thing is good for the sport,

1185
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: you must kind of worship at the altar of the playoff.

1186
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: It's all about the playoff or the sport culminates in

1187
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: the playoff, just like the NFL NFL playoffs or what

1188
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: it's about. College football playoff is what it's about. I

1189
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: don't feel that way, but if you do, that's fine.

1190
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: But if that's how you feel, we should shape the

1191
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: playoff for it to be best for the sport, and

1192
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: that's the outcome. You chose the format, not I said

1193
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: the Bobcat. You chose the format. All right, let's dive

1194
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: into bold predictions. I had fun with bold predictions the

1195
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: other night tonight mixed bag, I shall say mixed bag.

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Speaker 1: First bold prediction. As it turns out, this wasn't from August.

1197
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: It was from all the way back in May. So

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01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: it was a long time even before August when we

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Speaker 1: made these. But you submitted them, and here's what you said.

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01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: First one was from Dylan, Ohio State and Michigan will

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: both make the college football playoff. Boom it hit, and

1202
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I put a nine on this boom. Now, we did

1203
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: a segment earlier in the show where we spotlighted alleged

1204
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of mine. No, you want to know hypocrisy, how

1205
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: about reading that prediction in May, saying it's a nine

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: on the boldness scale, and then proceeding to predict Ohio

1207
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: State and Michigan both to make the playoff two months later,

1208
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: Because that's exactly what I did. As I said, and

1209
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: I will continue to say, my feelings are very fluid.

1210
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: They changed by the hour. So I thought this was

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Speaker 1: bold in May. I ended up loving it, and it happened.

1212
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: For the record, it happened so good for Dylan and

1213
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: good for me, just not the May version of me.

1214
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Speaker 1: Next up this one hit two Cougar Hunter, and I'll

1215
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: leave that alone. Said that Oklahoma and Texas are way

1216
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: over hyped. I think we see someone else win the

1217
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: Big Twelve this season, friends, someone else won the Big

1218
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: Twelve this season, and it was not TCU. If you,

1219
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: if you're like me, you have a bad habit of

1220
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: misremembering how the Big Twelve played out. Now, Kansas State

1221
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: won the conference, TCU went to the playoff, neither of

1222
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: whom are Oklahoma or Texas? O you and Texas were

1223
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: one to two in the preseason odds. I called this

1224
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Speaker 1: a seven on the boldness scale only because it's the

1225
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: Big twelve. So nothing is crazy in the Big twelve

1226
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: because everything is already crazy, therefore no prediction is crazy.

1227
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Speaker 1: And remember we were just coming off a year at

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Speaker 1: this point. We were coming off a year where Baylor,

1229
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: with like the second to longest odds in all of

1230
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: the field, had won the Big two twelve the year before.

1231
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: So we did a segment close to this where someone asked,

1232
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: is anyone gonna win ten games in the Big twelve.

1233
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: That's how bunched up, it looked like the conference was

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: going to be and as a result, we had another

1235
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: unpredictable finish, neither Texas nor Ou in the Big Twelve

1236
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: Championship game. Speaking of a neither nor let's talk about

1237
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: the Heisman for just a second, because one of you

1238
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: said that neither c J. Stroud nor Bryce Young will

1239
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: be Heisman finalists for this upcoming season, and I made

1240
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: the caveat at the time. We have to remove injury

1241
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: because we're not going to predict injury, so this only

1242
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: counts if both of them are healthy. Bryce Young missed

1243
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: some time, so he did not go to New York City.

1244
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: C J.

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: Stroud did go to New York City. I just asked,

1246
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: if if there's not injury in the equation, how are

1247
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: you keeping them out of New York at least one

1248
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: of them? Not only are they just good enough, but

1249
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: also we were entering a season where seven of the

1250
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: previous ten Heisman finalists were moving on, so the field

1251
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: was wide open. They were the preeminent favorites and c J.

1252
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: Stroud played like you should and Bryce Young, even in

1253
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: a down year, if he played all year, probably would

1254
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: have been a Heisman finalist. So I didn't know how

1255
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: this was going to go. I picked it as a

1256
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: nine on the Boldness scale. I saw no path where

1257
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: neither of them made the finals. Nor did I see

1258
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: a path for this next one. Auburn was bad, but

1259
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: Bradley suggested, Auburn is going to go zero to eight

1260
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: in conference play. I put an eight and a half

1261
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: on this one because, as I said, even in the

1262
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: worst of years, it's rare for a programs as proud

1263
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: and as talented as Auburn to just flatline the whole year.

1264
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how it went. They were bad, but

1265
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: there was this little blip in Week four against mass

1266
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: and there was this little blip against Texas A and M.

1267
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: And in those games they scored a combined thirty points,

1268
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: but they won both of them somehow against Missouri and

1269
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: everyone beat A and M. So that two conference wins.

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: They were terrible. They didn't make a bowl, but even

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Speaker 1: then the Auburn Tigers still won two conference games. I

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Speaker 1: called that one an eight on the Boldness scale. Eight

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Speaker 1: and a half. I think that one that was going

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Speaker 1: to be tough. And lastly, I have to be careful

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Speaker 1: with this one. The prediction was a first year head

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Speaker 1: There are too many good coaches from Hollywood, Florida. I

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Speaker 1: was surprised today when I saw what the boldness rating

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Speaker 1: was I put on this. I put a three on it.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, the May version of me thought

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Speaker 1: that it was a slam dunk. There were too many

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Speaker 1: good first year head coaches. One of these guys going

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Speaker 1: to the playoff. And for those of you who can't

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Speaker 1: picture the list in your mind, this was the list.

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Speaker 1: Sunny Dikes at TCU's the one who ended up doing it.

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Speaker 1: We had Lincoln Riley at USC, Caleb de Borkaylen de

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Speaker 1: Bor at Washington, Brian Kelly at LSU, Dan Lanning at Oregon,

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Speaker 1: Napier at Florida, Crystaball at Miami, Freeman at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: Venables at Oklahoma. Some of those were preseason favorites to

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Speaker 1: win their conferences. I thought it was a virtual slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: Someone on that list is going to the playoff. Sure enough,

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Speaker 1: the one we would have put dead last is the

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Speaker 1: one who ended up doing it, Sunny Dikes at TCU,

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Speaker 1: Which goes to show you, for the millionth time, don't

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Speaker 1: laugh at predictions. Anybody who predicted TCU to the playoff

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Speaker 1: would have been laughed out of the room in May

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Speaker 1: and October, and yet they pulled it off. We pulled

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Speaker 1: the show off tonight and the under is going to hit.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to see Wheat's box one more time?

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Speaker 1: Let's show the Wheaties box one more time. Congratulations Bradley,

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Speaker 1: biggest up set in the brief ping pong history of

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Speaker 1: the twenty four seven Sports Downtown Nashville office. One more

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Speaker 1: housekeeping note to remind you if you tuned in late

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard, but the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: is Sunday, and we are going to take a little break.

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Speaker 1: We're going to give the NFL Sunday and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next Thursday. So our normal rotation is Sunday Thursday.

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Speaker 1: This time of year just so happens to the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls this Sunday, So we will be back next Thursday.

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Speaker 1: There will be a Lake Kick Extra podcast Tuesday, and

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Speaker 1: it will be lengthy immunity, And if you want to

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Speaker 1: know what that means, go listen to the previous edition

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Speaker 1: of the Late Kick Extra podcast where I explain that

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Speaker 1: towards the end where management had already tuned out. So

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Speaker 1: thank you again for putting us top ten globally in

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Speaker 1: football pods right now. You got to remember, by the way,

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Speaker 1: podcast isn't even our main source of traffic YouTube ns,

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Speaker 1: so you've got us surging and we appreciate it enough

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Speaker 1: where we can get a new So thank you for

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Speaker 1: you guys, for producer Jesse, for director Colin. I'm Josh, babe,

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Speaker 1: take care, have a great weekend's talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: God bless