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Speaker 1: How important is the line of scrimmage? In a word?

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Speaker 1: Very welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me.

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Speaker 1: We got two more interviews from our time last week

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Speaker 1: Good conversations about the offensive line, particularly new O line

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Speaker 1: coach Justin Frye, and why Darius Robinson could be looked

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight fifty six, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Won a Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: He's a the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: So more hurry, mad Wyeah.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grailer.

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Speaker 1: So before we get to our second show this week

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Speaker 1: with a doubleheader of gifts, can we pick up where

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Speaker 1: know do you now have any birthday? Ideas. As we

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Speaker 4: Thanks for putting me on the spot, Craig, I have

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Speaker 1: There that you know that.

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Speaker 1: Within the NFC West, And who knows what's going to

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Speaker 3: He just no, I was I was like, technically I

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Speaker 1: Well it's good to hear. Yeah, we've got someone in

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Speaker 1: by the way, Danny, I have yet to run into

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, who's your red? But we would change it

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Speaker 1: to Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of work for you.

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Speaker 1: Wow, just throwing it right in my lap. Maybe you

440
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Speaker 1: know what, Maybe I'll gift you a pair for your birthday.

441
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Speaker 5: Sure, but if I'm going to give him to coach Fry,

442
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Speaker 5: my legs are a little shorter.

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Speaker 1: No, you would have your own pair. You could wear

444
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Speaker 1: those around the office. Could There's a distinction right there.

445
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Speaker 1: Rhett was very happy to be talking about Justin called

446
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Speaker 1: him one of his favorite humans. But more importantly what

447
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Speaker 1: he said about being a teacher and a developer of talent.

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Speaker 1: And I think again that's what we hear from Jonathan Gannett. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: you're a coach, but the coach is here to develop players,

450
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Speaker 1: whether you're a young player or a veteran, to get

451
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Speaker 1: better on the football field, to have success individually, because

452
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Speaker 1: that also means team success. So again, don't know too

453
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Speaker 1: much about coach Fry outside of what I've read and

454
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Speaker 1: what we saw him do at Ohio State and work

455
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Speaker 1: with a depleted offensive line losing two fifths of your

456
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Speaker 1: starting unit and more injuries across the way. Yet they

457
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Speaker 1: won the national championship, so he does have a very

458
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Speaker 1: solid resume and comes in with right now some question

459
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Speaker 1: marks who is going to be in his room, But

460
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Speaker 1: when you start with Paris Johnson Junior and Yell Defrald,

461
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Speaker 1: that's a good starting point for this team.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it was so interesting to hear Rhett talk

463
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Speaker 4: about the experience for Justin Fry being a college coach

464
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Speaker 4: and developing players there. And you look at this Cardinals roster,

465
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Speaker 4: which is pretty young now at this point, players have

466
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Speaker 4: been here for even if it's one or two years,

467
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Speaker 4: right like some of them closer to four or five years,

468
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Speaker 4: so you're still young, but they have experience. It is

469
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Speaker 4: interesting because you can pretty much go one of two

470
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Speaker 4: ways of hiring coaches for the most part is a

471
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Speaker 4: young coach coming out of college where they have that

472
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Speaker 4: experience not even just recruiting of working with young players,

473
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Speaker 4: but working with freshmen and sophomores and then upperclassmen and

474
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Speaker 4: helping them mold into the players and people to be

475
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Speaker 4: and being team players, and so much of college then

476
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Speaker 4: leaks into the pros of trends you see and stuff

477
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Speaker 4: like that. So bringing in a college coach to help

478
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Speaker 4: with a young team is one way to help with

479
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Speaker 4: that development for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: Now, the other way is you.

481
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Speaker 4: Bring in a tenured veteran coach who's done this for

482
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Speaker 4: a long time. Sometimes though they could be stuck in

483
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Speaker 4: their ways. And so this seems to be the approach

484
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Speaker 4: of what this front office and Gannon like to do

485
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Speaker 4: with their coaches is have younger coaches. That is what

486
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Speaker 4: you see across this coaching staff. So I think it's

487
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Speaker 4: going to be a good fit. And it was a

488
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Speaker 4: fun conversation with Rhett to have a different perspective on

489
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Speaker 4: coach Fry as a coach and also as a person

490
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Speaker 4: and the type of player he was, to have an

491
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Speaker 4: idea of what kind of expectations he's going to set

492
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Speaker 4: for his own line.

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Speaker 1: And as Jag mentioned at the Scouting Combine, if you

494
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Speaker 1: can coach, you can coach, whether you're coaching high school,

495
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Speaker 1: college or at the NFL level. So that adjustments. Again,

496
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Speaker 1: you have some rules and some tweaks, perhaps based off

497
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Speaker 1: how the games are played, but the basics remain the same,

498
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Speaker 1: even though you increase levels of production as far as

499
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Speaker 1: the talent wise, at the National Football League level do

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Speaker 1: need to update. As we mentioned off the top, Matthew

501
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Speaker 1: Stafford is staying in Los Angeles with the Rams. When

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Speaker 1: we asked Rhett about where the Cardinals are situated within

503
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Speaker 1: the division, and again, much like a lot of people,

504
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Speaker 1: very high, especially offensively, with where the Cardinals are at

505
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Speaker 1: in the division compared to everyone else, and then you

506
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Speaker 1: look for perhaps where you get more production from a

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Speaker 1: train McBride. He mentioned wanting to see him wor score

508
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Speaker 1: more touchdowns, which yeah, obviously everyone does. And then defensively,

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Speaker 1: it's been the theme. Can you find someone in this draft,

510
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Speaker 1: whether that's at defensive end, defensive tackle, or edge rusher

511
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Speaker 1: to supplement for Nick Rolis to get a little bit

512
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Speaker 1: better along that defensive front.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think when you're talking about defensive tackle, that

514
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Speaker 4: feels more like a supplement, and when you're looking at

515
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Speaker 4: edge rusher, you're still looking for a wrecker, correct, So

516
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Speaker 4: supplementing the defense, sure, I think it is different of

517
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Speaker 4: the type of the type of situation that player would

518
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Speaker 4: maybe be coming into if you're playing on the line

519
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Speaker 4: or playing outside. But yeah, that is the theme is

520
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Speaker 4: defensive tackle on edge and thankfully for the Cardinals. Those

521
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Speaker 4: are two of their most pressing needs on this team,

522
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Speaker 4: and on this defense.

523
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Speaker 1: Always comes back to the line of scrimmage, which is

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Speaker 1: where we also had the chance to talk with about

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Speaker 1: Lance zero Line, part two here of our NFL Network

526
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Speaker 1: doubleheader of guests. Lance the NFL Draft analyst, And if

527
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Speaker 1: you've ever wondered who writes all the draft profiles on

528
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Speaker 1: NFL dot com, it's Lance, and they are well done,

529
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Speaker 1: well researched. It is great information. And as I mentioned

530
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Speaker 1: to him, it's sometime sometimes right now for him, perhaps

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a labor of love.

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Speaker 6: Every year the passes, maybe a labor of like, but

533
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Speaker 6: uh no, it's a it's a it's a grind, but

534
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Speaker 6: it's this is the fun stuff when I'm here talking

535
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Speaker 6: to you guys, when I'm here doing a television and

536
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Speaker 6: this is the fun stuff. And there are times where

537
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Speaker 6: I'm watching tape where I'm having a lot of fun

538
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Speaker 6: when I find a player that I'm like, Wow, I

539
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Speaker 6: didn't know about this.

540
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Speaker 4: This guy's great. It's fun to watch.

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Speaker 6: He's going to be really good. The number now is

542
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Speaker 6: at like three forty six, I think, and the scouting

543
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Speaker 6: profiles I've written today up to this point. I'll get

544
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Speaker 6: to probably about four eighty five to five hundred in

545
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Speaker 6: that neighborhood. So but it's gonna sound crazy too, But

546
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Speaker 6: you know, right in the next one hundred and fifty

547
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Speaker 6: and two months is like nothing. That's fine. I just

548
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Speaker 6: got done right in one hundred and twenty four in

549
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Speaker 6: about twenty one days. So that was that was tough.

550
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Speaker 6: That was hard.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a player selected in which you did

552
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Speaker 1: not have a draft file?

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Speaker 6: Okay, it happens almost every year. Okay, it happens almost

554
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Speaker 6: every year. I did have during one of the COVID

555
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Speaker 6: years was the only year I had none where I

556
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Speaker 6: nailed them all. And that was probably because teams couldn't

557
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Speaker 6: go out and do the individual workouts, so they had

558
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Speaker 6: to stay a lot closer to, you know, to the

559
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Speaker 6: combine list, and I'd already written all the combine guys.

560
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Speaker 6: But yeah, every year. So here's the thing is I

561
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Speaker 6: have to write up scattering reports on players to get drafted.

562
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Speaker 6: I don't have. And you think I want to do

563
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Speaker 6: that after all the work I've done, and I do

564
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Speaker 6: three straight days at NFL Network of talking about every

565
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Speaker 6: player drafted, and let my last day as a seven

566
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Speaker 6: hours straight on television or on a streaming platform talking

567
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Speaker 6: about every player drafted. I do not want to have

568
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Speaker 6: to write that scatter report, and so I do my

569
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Speaker 6: best to really fine tune. You know, I kind of

570
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Speaker 6: know which types of players are the sneak, the sneaky

571
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Speaker 6: little draft pick, so I try to keep that number

572
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Speaker 6: down to you know, one, two or three if possible.

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Speaker 4: What can a player do this week at the combine

574
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Speaker 4: to not change someone's mind because so much work has

575
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Speaker 4: already gone in. This is more kind of the final

576
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Speaker 4: checkpoint of that. What can a player do in any

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Speaker 4: aspect to stand out or solidify?

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Speaker 6: Well, So there's that's that question. I'm gonna answer it

579
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Speaker 6: two different ways. For a media personality like myself. Sobody

580
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Speaker 6: who does it media, somebody who doesn't have access to

581
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Speaker 6: the interviews you know that the teams do. Somebody who

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Speaker 6: doesn't have access to the to the medical stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: For me, it can be someone I thought wasn't very fast.

585
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Speaker 6: They run really fast, or they are an explosive test

586
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Speaker 6: and I say, man, I gotta go go look at that.

587
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 6: I may have missed that, or maybe you know, maybe

588
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Speaker 6: this guy can play faster and he's just thinking too

589
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Speaker 6: much and you know, what could he be because we

590
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Speaker 6: always have to think about what a guy could be.

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Speaker 6: It can't just be what's on tape. Use what's on

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Speaker 6: tape to help you project what they can be. If

593
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Speaker 6: they have great physical traits, right, long arms, fast, explosive

594
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Speaker 6: in the hips, which is why we do the vertical jumps,

595
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Speaker 6: in the broad jumps, it helps to you know, the

596
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Speaker 6: quickness drills help show change a direction because that's a

597
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Speaker 6: big part of NFL football. So what they can do,

598
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Speaker 6: Danny is test really well in certain areas and a

599
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Speaker 6: team can go, like what I'll do is I may

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Speaker 6: go if I have a sixty two, which be an

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Speaker 6: average starter on you, I may go to a sixty three,

602
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Speaker 6: which is an above average starter somebody who's more likely

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Speaker 6: to be a second round pick. Frankly. So, uh, it

604
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Speaker 6: can have a you know, it can have a full

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Speaker 6: great impact. I think it can have a full round

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Speaker 6: impact and in some cases maybe even a couple round impact.

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Speaker 6: If teams, you know, if the right team maybe was

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Speaker 6: low on a player and then they meet with them

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Speaker 6: in the room and they're man, this guy is all

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Speaker 6: about football. He's really an aggressive alpha personality, he's a

611
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Speaker 6: great leader, and he tested well, you know, because it's

612
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Speaker 6: not unheard of for a team to be like okay

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Speaker 6: on a player, and then they meet him and the

614
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Speaker 6: general manager does more work on him than just the

615
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Speaker 6: area scout, and he goes man, we dug in on this,

616
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Speaker 6: and an offensive line coach, you know, gets involved because

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Speaker 6: offensive line coaches, you know, the coaches typically when they

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Speaker 6: get here their season ended, then they're looking at their

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Speaker 6: own free agents, then they're looking at other free agents,

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Speaker 6: and then they're looking at Senior Bowl guys and the

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Speaker 6: Combine guys. Most My dad was an nf offensive line

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Speaker 6: coach coach for the Cardinals with with Bruce arians staff,

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Speaker 6: and by the time he got to the Combine, he

624
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Speaker 6: just watched a few plays on every player he didn't

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Speaker 6: know him. So then once a once a position coach

626
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Speaker 6: gets involved a lot of times they may really start

627
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Speaker 6: to fight for guys, and guys can really start rising

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Speaker 6: up a board.

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Speaker 1: I know in your most recent mock draft you had

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals selecting an offensive lineman, but I want to

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Speaker 1: go to an offensive lineman that I know you are

632
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Speaker 1: high on a few years back, and that's Paris Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Junior and get your thoughts on him now is a

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Speaker 1: left tackle and that transition that he made from year

635
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Speaker 1: one to year two.

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Speaker 6: I think Paris has worked to you know, it's kind

637
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Speaker 6: of it's not. I think he's kind of been what

638
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Speaker 6: I expected in the sense that he had work to do.

639
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 6: He had great traits, a great opportunity to become a

640
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Speaker 6: certain type of player. But he's still got work to do, obviously,

641
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Speaker 6: and the right side is a lot different. It's less

642
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Speaker 6: different than it used to be on the left side,

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Speaker 6: But I think he's still a player right now that

644
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Speaker 6: is is finding himself. Offensive line sometime takes as much

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Speaker 6: as three to four years. Is in what Paris has

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Speaker 6: had two years as it now has have been three

647
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Speaker 6: years two years. So he's going into the third year.

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Speaker 6: This should be a huge year. You're going to find

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Speaker 6: out who he is is in year three because first

650
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Speaker 6: year you're head swimming. Second year you think you've got

651
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Speaker 6: it and then you don't, and it's a matter of

652
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Speaker 6: confidence and fighting through adversity. Year three, you've been through

653
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Speaker 6: all the downs, you've been through some ups. The game's

654
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Speaker 6: not fast to you anymore. Your technique is better, So

655
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 6: what you're going to find from Paris Johnson this year

656
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 6: is I'm going to have an answer and the Cardinals

657
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: are going to have an answer on is he the

658
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 6: starting left tackle or the long term left tackle of

659
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 6: the future, because you already have to start projecting that

660
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 6: because before you know what fifth year option is coming out,

661
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: and after the third year you have to make a

662
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 6: decision on fifth year option. After the fourth year, you're

663
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 6: really frankly deciding if you're going to give a guy

664
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 6: an extension and if you're going to give a guy

665
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 6: a second contract. At left tackle, it's expensive. So this

666
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 6: year is going to be the year I think that

667
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 6: I don't have the answers that I need yet on

668
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 6: Paris Johnson where he needs to be for the Cardinals

669
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 6: to compete for an NFC championship, which is what every

670
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: team should aspire to in the NFC. But I think

671
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 6: that there is still some I think there's still some

672
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: strength and techniques that needs to be worked on there

673
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 6: to improve the technique and maybe help a little bit

674
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: in terms of rooting people out as a run blocker.

675
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: This year's draft class deep in defensive tackle edge rushers,

676
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: which are both needs for this Cardinals defense. A name though,

677
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: to keep in mind, Darius Robinson, a player that was

678
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: going through this process last year, dealt with a calf injury,

679
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: so we only played the last six games. Based on

680
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: what you remember from your profile and looking into Robinson

681
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: last year and maybe what we saw at the end

682
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: of the season, what can a realistic expectation be for

683
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: him getting this full off season and the time to

684
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: get healthy and what he can provide for this Cardinals defense.

685
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be like getting another draft

686
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 6: pick back on most I mean, he did play at

687
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 6: the end of the year, but Darius Robinson is big.

688
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: He is a great body type player. He has dual

689
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: capacity in terms of rush and run. I think he

690
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 6: can step in and become a starter this year. I mean,

691
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: I think he's really a player who I had high

692
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 6: hopes for. I think he's a player with a lot

693
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 6: of upside. He needs work, but he got mental reps

694
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: last year. Even though the you have a calf injury,

695
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 6: you're still getting mental reps. You're still in meeting rooms

696
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 6: and then being able to get on the field. I

697
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 6: can't tell you how important I think that is because

698
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 6: getting to have those reps and it's in six games

699
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 6: is fantastic. Two games gives you a taste.

700
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Six gives you.

701
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 6: You got to see NFL speed, You got to taste

702
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 6: NFL strength, your head, got to swim a little bit

703
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 6: on misdirection, some of the some of the some of

704
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: the things you have to go through. From an experience standpoint,

705
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 6: he got to He got to experience the experience he needed.

706
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 6: So I think that is a really interesting person player

707
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 6: you bring up, because that is really almost like a

708
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 6: I say, it's like another draft pick. It's like adding

709
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 6: a free agent. You're getting a player at a position

710
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 6: of need that you can plug in and I think

711
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 6: should play at a good level for the Cardinals pretty quickly.

712
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Where the Cardinals are selecting this year at sixteen a

713
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: little bit more unpredictable versus a year ago where it's

714
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: top four and you could figure out, okay, you don't

715
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. Certainly wide receiver was much of the

716
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: talk last season this season going into this year's draft

717
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: in April, as far as where the Cardinals are and

718
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: where you think they might benefit from either line of

719
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: scrimmage on offense or defense, or maybe there's a position

720
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: that is not on the line of scrimmage.

721
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's if you're looking at sixteen, you're

722
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 6: looking on the defensive front. I mean, realistically, you might

723
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 6: find a wide receiver you like there that you'd like

724
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 6: to pair with. Marvin Harrison Junior. Maybe, you know, if

725
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 6: McMillan from Arizona fl to that spot, I might be

726
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 6: willing to take a shot there. I think Matthew Golden

727
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 6: and Luther Burden probably a little too early for them,

728
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 6: but I think, you know, you want to start looking

729
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 6: for Shamar Stewart from Texas A and m who's a

730
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: big edg dresser kind of in a Darius rob mode

731
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 6: where you almost feel like you're not sure if he's

732
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 6: an end or a defensive tackle or Robinson had that

733
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 6: dual experience in college. You have Mike Green, who I

734
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 6: don't know if he gets there from Marshall, but Mike

735
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 6: Green would be a great rusher. I think I think

736
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 6: Anna would love to have a guy like that with

737
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 6: that type of hair on fire intensity, but defensive tackle.

738
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 6: If Walter Nolan were to fall a little bit, that

739
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 6: would be a really fantastic addition. Kenneth Grant might be

740
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 6: a little bit early for him from Michigan, but you know,

741
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 6: You're also in a position at sixteen where I don't

742
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 6: know if this is going to be the year where

743
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 6: it happens, because it's not. It's really good from pick

744
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 6: like twenty to about forty five or fifty, it's really

745
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 6: good in that spot. That's the sweet spot for this draft. So,

746
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 6: but the ability to trade back and then target three

747
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 6: or four players in a cluster would be great for Arizona.

748
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 6: Sixteen is a little bit of a dead spot, to

749
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 6: be honest with you is I was looking through that

750
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 6: the other day. I thought, boy, wo'd be great to

751
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 6: be inside the top fourteen or to be back in

752
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 6: the twenties. And sixteen's tough because you know, you've got

753
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 6: a couple of tight ends who should go inside the

754
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 6: top sixteen. You got two quarterbacks maybe that go in there,

755
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 6: but it's not a quarterback draft, so you're not you know,

756
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 6: you don't have as much action going on. It's not

757
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 6: a great wide receiver draft. It's not a great tackle draft.

758
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 6: So what it is is defensive tackles, defensive ends, running

759
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 6: backs which typically are not going to go that early,

760
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: and tight ends, which after you get to past the

761
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 6: first two, the next really good ones in the second round.

762
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 6: So it's kind of a tough spot being at number sixteen.

763
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 6: And every draft has a life of its own where

764
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 6: you know, you have different storylines of okay, this the

765
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 6: first six picks, this is the storyline, and then in

766
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 6: the first twelve and then you have sixteen. Is just

767
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: kind of a tough spot because it's not you could

768
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: get the guy you like, but you'd love to get

769
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 6: more value by moving back and adding one more pick

770
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 6: because it is a deep draft in the rounds two

771
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 6: through four.

772
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: And the good news is Danny is that we know

773
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: Monte Austin Fort likes to back Lance. Appreciate the time,

774
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: always enjoy your work on NFL Network and specifically the

775
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: draft profiles. It was our thing. This is the bible

776
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: right now for a lot of us going into this

777
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: year's draft.

778
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. I'm glad that the work I'm doing

779
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 6: is being read and shared by people like yourself. So

780
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: thank you.

781
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah NFL dot com to check out Lance's work. He

782
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: will write, as you mentioned, Danny, upwards of five hundred

783
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: draft profiles, and even on those profiles that he misses,

784
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: if there's a name that is called that he doesn't have,

785
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: he has to go back and do that on Monday,

786
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: or if it misses earlier on a Thursday or Friday.

787
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's putting in the work, and I certainly

788
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: appreciate it because I don't know all these names. So

789
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: it's good to have a one stop to go all right,

790
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com type in the guy's name and up

791
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: pops a great evaluation of the prospects.

792
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's how you know when you're talking to Lance,

793
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: he's got the credit ability.

794
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of art, but again, I certainly

795
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: do appreciate it. We also got into a little bit

796
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: of a conversation about and we did this with some

797
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: of these personalities that joined us as far as looking

798
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: back at last year's draft class, especially with Marmon Arrison

799
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: Junior and Darius Robinson. But the fact that to hear

800
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Lance say that Darius is almost quote like getting another

801
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: draft pick back. So the Cardinals right now have six

802
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty five. But if you've only played

803
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: six games as a rookie, does that can as a

804
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: full year? No, it doesn't. So you have a experienced,

805
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: still young player coming back into the fold and at

806
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: a position that again we're talking about defensive end, defensive line.

807
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: It's a great point. It matches what Gannon had said

808
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: of it's not going to be year two for Robinson

809
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: more so one point five because that calf kept him

810
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: limited the entire season. Even after Robinson returned to practice,

811
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: it was always in a limit fashion. Six games is

812
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 4: not a lot, No, It's enough for Robinson to get

813
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: a feel for the speed of the game and how

814
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: he can add to his repertoire and what he can

815
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: really focus on this first full offseason. So it's enough

816
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: to make a jump in year two and where training

817
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: camp was looking, the starting defensive line could have arguably

818
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: been Balaon Nichols, Justin Jones and Daries Robinson, and you

819
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: got a combined fifteen games of the three of them

820
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 4: because Jones and Nichols suffered injuries that kept him out

821
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: for most of the season. So if you're able to

822
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: get all three back, you are looking at an improved

823
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: defensive line because you didn't have those players for majority

824
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: of the season. I think that's such a great mindset

825
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: to have and a unique way of looking at this.

826
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: Do the Cardinals still need a defensive tackle? Is that

827
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: still a position that they could target in the draft. Absolutely,

828
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: this doesn't change that. It's just a reminder of you're

829
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: still going to get reinforcements that for some some of

830
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: us might not even really be thinking about, not top

831
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: of mine, because you didn't get a chance to see

832
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 4: the three of them a lot in twenty twenty.

833
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: Four, and given with howevery one looks at the draft,

834
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: it's not just year to year, but you're looking years

835
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: out hopefully that when you select a player that they

836
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: are there long term. So even if Darius, Justin and

837
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: ballall all played full seasons, who's to say you're not

838
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: still looking to get better at defense line. Maybe we're

839
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: not talking about it as much, we're shifting our focus

840
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: to another position, but that's certainly something that it's a

841
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: good reminder Danny, when you talk about, all right, the

842
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: Cardinals do have players coming back, there's still just a

843
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: little bit of an unknown. But is there that to

844
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: use your word, is there that game wrecker? Is there

845
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: that game changer along the front And there might be,

846
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen it as of yet.

847
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 4: There are still evaluations going on behind the scenes of

848
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: the defensive line because you didn't get a full season

849
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: to evaluate what you have and those top players on

850
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: the roster, and then you start to go down the

851
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 4: roster and look at the players who stepped up Kyrie's Toga,

852
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: Roy Lopez, LJ Collier, all pending free agents. So evaluations

853
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: are not just being done on the draft prospects on

854
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: the D line. You're also having to look who is

855
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: in that room and what do you know about Robinson,

856
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: Nichols and Jones and what they can contribute together and

857
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: on this team, Because that's your starting point to decide, Okay,

858
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: who do we want to resign that's about to hit

859
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: the market, who do we want to target in the draft?

860
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: It all starts with evaluating really those top three players of.

861
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 5: What did you what were you able to learn.

862
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: From what you saw from them on the field or

863
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 4: on the practice field on tape, and you work from there.

864
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting as far as what gets done. Again,

865
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: we are one week away from the new league year,

866
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: and then fifty days away from the drafts and less

867
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: than a week away from Danny Surrek turning twenty five.

868
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: So again these are the important dates around it.

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Speaker 4: At day, you don't need to say an age. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it almost sounds worse. You try and make me sound

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Speaker 4: super young.

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Speaker 1: Just say birthday, birthday, okay, all right, just trying to

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Speaker 1: give you a little help, that's all.

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Speaker 5: I don't need help. See that makes it sound like

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Speaker 5: I'm turning like forty.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: No, you are nowhere near that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know you're not just a birthday.

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Speaker 1: You're not as old as Darren or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So birthday, by the way, before we go out, head

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Speaker 1: on out of here. Congrats to Michael Wilson and Sophia Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who announced on Instagram that they are expecting their first child.

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Speaker 1: Got married earlier this year. So a busy twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five for Michael Wilson and Sophia.

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Speaker 4: Competition for JJ Watt his family for most athletic children

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Speaker 4: from birth, Yeah, very exciting for them.

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Speaker 1: That will be uh yeah, put a football in one

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Speaker 1: hand or a soccer ball, you know that's yeah, that

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Speaker 1: kid is going to be uh.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a busy season. That's going to be

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Speaker 5: an in season baby, right. I think when you think.

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Speaker 1: That happened a couple of different times though this past.

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Speaker 4: A lot on the coaching staff, A lot of coaches

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Speaker 4: had kids during the season. So yeah, yeldafrajol did.

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Speaker 1: Though that's true.

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Speaker 5: That's why welcome their second child.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's gonna be fun to have another uh

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Speaker 1: Wilson in the household for Michael and Sophia, so congratulations

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Speaker 1: to them. Special thanks again to both rt Lewis and

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Speaker 1: lanceser Line of NFL Network joining us, and we will

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Speaker 1: continue here on Cardinals cover to one more interview this week.

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Speaker 1: Danny cannot get rid of me so quickly. We will

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Speaker 1: have one more still to come, but until then we

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Speaker 1: will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahure,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cuddie Fincher for Danny surek, I'm Craig

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Speaker 1: rail Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.