1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norty 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: with you. Jeff Mellinger back with us. Jeff jumped into 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: the unexplained and leads a very haunted life himself. He's 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: been fascinated with the supernatural since he was ten, and 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: over the years, Jeff has interviewed hundreds of people about 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: the experiences with an approach to the subject that truly 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: makes the supernatural accessible to a wide group of people. 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: He's the writer researcher for the Ghost Adventure series on 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: the Travel Channel. He hosts the online talk show thirty 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: odd Minutes. He will be part of a stream, a 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: four day stream event which starts August twenty eighth. You've 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: heard it on the show before, the Lizzie Borden Murder House. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: That's going to be Friday through Monday starting this Friday, 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: the August twenty eighth. Will tell you more about it, 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: but you can get information at dark Zone dot tv. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: Dark Zone dot tv. Jeffrey, Welcome back to the program. George. 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to talk to you. Boy. This Lizzie 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Borden thing is going to be spooky. So I live 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: less than an hour from Fall River, Massachusetts, and I 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: have been to this house many many times over the years, 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and this is a cool thing. We did this back 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: at the Conjuring House of a couple months ago, and 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: the whole idea was raw locked inside. Let's put cameras 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: on twenty four seven, bring in different people who know 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: the case and stream it and let people have just 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: round the clock access. So that's the idea with the 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: dark zone, and we're doing it again this time at 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: the Lizzie Borden house. Lizzie Borden took an axe, gave 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: her mother forty wax what she saw what she had done, 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: gave her father forty one. We teach that to our 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: kids here in Massachusetts. She got acquitted. No, I love it. 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: It's not any worse than ring around the rosie, right, 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: that's about dying from the place. Why did she get 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: acquitted in this thing? And here's the thing. If anyone 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: is interested in this case, all the court transcripts are 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: up online for free. You can sit and read them 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: for hours. You can read everything. You can read her depositions, 39 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: you can read her interviews. The best I can come 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: up with is that the all male jury figured there's 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: no way a woman would be capable of such a crime, unbelieving. 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Now there was another person in the house at the 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: time too, wasn't there, Bridget the Maid? And if have 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: you been to the house, George, we ever had the chance, 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I would not go in there if you paid me. Jack, 46 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: come on, So okay, first of all, it's not like 47 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: something I'll watch it on the stream. That'll be good 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: enough for me. Well you'll see that it is not 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: that large of a house. I mean, you know, it's 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: bigger than my house, but it's not like a breaker's 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: mansion in Newport. And all I can think of is 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: if you were on the third floor, which allegedly Bridget 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: the Maid was, and someone is getting hacked to death 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: with an axe one floor below you, I don't know 55 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: how you wouldn't hear that and at least come around 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: the corner and say, hey, everything okay? Exactly was And 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: her father was a wealthy banker too, wasn't he he was? 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: And he was home taking an app on the couch 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: and never got up that you know, he met his 60 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: end right there. And Lizzie claims in the span of 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: just maybe fifteen twenty minutes while she was out back 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: picking pears and then going up into the barn to 63 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: get some fishing weights together for a fishing trip she 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: was taking in a couple of weeks. Someone went into 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: the house, stole nothing, murdered two people, and then quietly 66 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: left violently. You would think if there was going to 67 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: be a murder, they do it and get out quick. No, 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: they wouldn't whack somebody forty times. It was balanced and 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: it was like eighteen but still that didn't work for 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: the nursery rhyme. But yes, it was a crime of passion. 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: And anyone who has watched even one episode of any 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: CSI knows when you've got no sign of struggle, no 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: sign of a break in, nothing stolen, it's obvious that 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: these victims knew their killers. Yeah, absolutely clearly. We'll come 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: back to the Lizzie Board thing and you can tell 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: us about Dark Zone they've been sponsoring. I've been hearing 77 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: them on our program. Yeah, they've been a matter of fact, 78 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: they have a couple spots next hours, so we'll listen 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: to that too, And yeah, good, pretty innovative. And we're 80 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: all stuck inside. We can't go investigate personally, but we 81 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: can do this. You and I went to the Eastern 82 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: State Penitentiary with Tom dan Heiser in Philadelphia. Remember that, 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: I remember doing prison time with you. Of course you didn't. 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: You have a computer with you. We had all kinds 85 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: of stuff with us, and one of the tools we 86 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: were using was it was called the x cam at 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: the time. I don't even know what they're calling it now, 88 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: but it's what it is, basically is it looks into 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: the infrared part of the spectrum and it looks for people. 90 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: This is Microsoft technology that's open source. Anybody can go 91 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: downloaded because they you know, the game the connected system 92 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: that you put yourself into video games. People, they allow 93 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: that out there so you can develop games. The software 94 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: was used in order to look into the infrared part 95 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: of the spectrum and look for people. That's what the 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: software does. And once in a while, something turns up 97 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: that you don't see in the environment, and the software 98 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: is just doing what it does, it's looking for people. 99 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: And that was intriguing, right, I mean, so when when 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: something turns up that's not there or not or you know, 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: you see a living person and then next to it 102 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: another one, you start to scratch your head. This was 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: developed by an engineer named Bill Chappell. We've used it 104 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: on Ghost Adventures and now you've seen it on just 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: about every paranormal TV show. But way back then that 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: that was the first you know, versions of this new system. Well, 107 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: it was strange being an al capone cell. It was 108 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: just a weird feeling. Yeah, not all prisoners are created equal, 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: are they? How many years was he in there? Twelve 110 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know, but I don't know, 111 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: but just to set it up when when you go 112 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: into Eastern State, it's the design is incredible, right, So 113 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: it's like a wagon wheel, meaning if you're in the 114 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: middle where the guards were, you three or four people 115 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: could stand back to back and you could see the 116 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: entire prison. You could look down all the hallways and 117 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: keep track of things. Really intelligent design. And this is 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: where we get the word penitent right, penitentiary comes from 119 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: Eastern State because back then, before Eastern State prisons were 120 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean they were they're still awful places, but back 121 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: then they put everybody into one big courtyard. I mean 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: you had debtors and you had petty thieves, and you 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: had murderers and rapists in all in one area, and 124 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: it was just so incredibly dangerous for everyone. But at 125 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: Eastern State they said this will be different. Everything was 126 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be solitary confinement. There was a window, a 127 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: slit in the top so you could look out into 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the sky and you could pray to God and be 129 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: penitent for your sins. You talk to no one. If 130 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: they had to move you from one cell to another, 131 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: they would put a mask over your face so you 132 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: couldn't see any people at all. It was unlike anything 133 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: that had ever been done before. Now that of course 134 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: is like spending years and solitary confinement, which is maddening 135 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: at the same time. But it was different, right, They 136 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: were trying to do something different, and that I believe 137 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: leaves a mark. It leaves a stain, and when you 138 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: walk through there you could feel it. I mean you remember, right, 139 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: we were there at night. Oh yeah, it was weird. 140 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: It's very weird. And of course you start your mind 141 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: starts to wander too, well, who was in here? I mean, 142 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: we know Capone and Capone's cell was different from all 143 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: these these wings, right, it was off on its own. 144 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: It had a nice, nice furniture. They used to keep 145 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the door open for him so he could kind of 146 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: come and go, not outside of the prison grounds, but 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: come and go outside of his cell because he was 148 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: al capone. But yeah, the rest of it though, that 149 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: was just a place where, you know, we keep the 150 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: worst of society. And when you walk through, I don't 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: know if you remember some of those cell blocks where 152 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: you could walk down the middle and you can kind 153 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: of see where you're going, but you look to your 154 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: left and your right and you see these cell doors 155 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: and some are open, and it's just blacker than black 156 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: in there. You know, it's just so so dark, and 157 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: you you just you wonder who was in there, who 158 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: was in that one, what did they do? And that 159 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: makes us connect to this location. We understand its history, 160 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: we understand its purpose, and it just takes it to 161 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: a dark place. A couple of years prior to that, Jeffrey, 162 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: we all hooked up at the Queen Mary in Long Beach, California, 163 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: we did. And that's a very different kind of haunt, 164 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean pretty different from a prison. Yeah, 165 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary is one of those places that I 166 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: think you just keep coming back to. You know, it's 167 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: number one, what I love about it. It's kind of 168 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: like the Lizzie Bordenhouse. When you walk on to the 169 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Queen Mary, you're stepping back in time. You're you're you 170 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: can forget what year it is. You're back in the 171 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties on a transatlantic ocean liner. Yeah, you feel 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: like you're on the Titanic. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah. You 173 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: go up to the observation bar and you have like 174 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: a sidecar or an old fashioned something you'd never drink 175 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: anywhere else, right, You just you say, yeah, this makes 176 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: sense here, and you walk down those old hallways and 177 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: you can just imagine this is exactly what it looked 178 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: like nineteen thirty one when it made its maiden voyage, 179 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: built to hold three thousand passengers comfortably, which of course 180 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: would make it a dwarf today compared to some of 181 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: the modern cruise ships. But back then this was a 182 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: state of the art. But it was short lived, right, 183 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the reason this place is so haunted is 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: because it didn't make it as a ocean liner very long. 185 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: It got pressed into service during World War Two to 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: become a troop ship. That's right. It carried thousands of 187 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: troops all over the place. So remember I said three 188 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: thousand passengers, that's what it was built to hold passengers 189 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: and crew. In nineteen forty two she was painted gray. 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: They called her the Gray Ghost, and at its max, 191 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Queen Mary carried sixteen thousand, six hundred and eighty three 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: troops at once. Why would it be haunted? Jeffrey? So 193 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: during World War Two, so many things happened when you 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: had sixteen thousand plus on deck on the ship. Rather, 195 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: you had to take eight hour shifts, eight hours in 196 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: a bunk, eight hours just standing on deck because there's 197 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: nowhere to put you, eight hours doing work of some kind. 198 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: It was just packed, and the ship had to run 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: these zig zag patterns to evade the German U boats, 200 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: always moving, never stopping. And the Queen Mary had what 201 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: a target? God? Well, right, I mean yes, imagine taking 202 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: out sixteen thousand troops in one shot and obviously not 203 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: well armed. It's a cruise ship. So on October two, 204 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, the Queen Mary's Mary's running these zigzag 205 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: patterns and the Sirocco is her escort ship, and through 206 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: some mishap, the Sirocco gets in the way of the 207 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: Queen Mary and the Queen Mary cuts through the much 208 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: smaller ship, sinking it almost instantly. Three hundred and thirty 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: eight men go into the ocean, and the worst part 210 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: is the Queen Mary can't stop to help. They all died, 211 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: every one of them. And that's what life was like 212 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: during World War Two. That's what life was like on 213 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: that ship. And that's just one event. Of course, they 214 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: had POW's on there. Some who died on the ship. 215 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: There were accidents and things like that. It's just got 216 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: so much life and history moving through it that I 217 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: believe it's still kind of echoes. And some non troops 218 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: died there when it was the luxury cruise liner. Right. 219 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Of course, people have heart attacks, people have accidents. There 220 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: was an accident down in the engine room. The doors. 221 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember being down there, but 222 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: these doors are made to seal shut in the case 223 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: of some sort of leak, right, they have to become 224 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: air tight. They got to protect the ship, of course, 225 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: But if you get in the way of that mechanism 226 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: as it's closing, which one person did down in the 227 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: engine room, you literally could be cut in half. And 228 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: this that did happen to one of the crewmen. And 229 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: that's one of the events that haunts down there. And 230 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I don't know if you were you 231 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: get to be down down there during the investigation part 232 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: for that one section, But you're down there in the 233 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: engine room and you're looking up at all this almost 234 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: century old rusted metal all around you. It's you know, 235 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: it's it's very heavy, it's old. It's a creaky ship. 236 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: It's it's creaking and groaning. It talks, you know, and 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: you feel it and you connect to it, and you say, wow, 238 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: this is where so much happened, so much history took 239 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: place right where I'm standing. And that's that's my That's 240 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: the thing I'm most passionate about when it comes to 241 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: looking at haunts all over the world, but especially here 242 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: in America, is maybe I have an ancestor who is 243 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: on the ship at one point. Maybe maybe right all 244 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: these connections. Why do you keep doing what you do? Jeff? 245 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: I mean you are into this in a big, big way. Yeah, 246 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: somehow I turned it into a career, which is just amazing. Right. 247 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: One of your biles that I had seen years ago said, 248 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: you're obsessed with the un explained. I think I am 249 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: because These are the biggest questions we've ever asked. Right, 250 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: is their life after death? I'm not the first to 251 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: ask it, You're not the first. This goes back thousands 252 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: and thousands of years and endless generations. What happens after 253 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: we die? Why is it important that we preserve our history? 254 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: Why do we need to connect to it? I believe 255 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: that there's some lesson, right, These are sermons from our 256 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: own past related to us, lessons that we haven't learned yet. 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: And every one of these buildings has some lesson to 258 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: teach us. And I love that connection because when you 259 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: go into a haunted place, you're connecting with that building. 260 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: It's history, it's a community. And when we share these stories, 261 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: we're connecting with each other. And that's the key, right, absolutely, Yeah. 262 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: I mean we get to snap out all the weird 263 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: dogmas and rules of religion and just talk about one thing. 264 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: It's haunted, and if you believe it's haunted, if you 265 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: believe in ghosts as I do, then you must believe 266 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: in some sort of afterlife. And from there we can 267 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: argue and you do whatever. But before that, before we 268 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: start arguing, let's just break it down to that one 269 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: simple conclusion, what was the supernatural experience when you were ten? 270 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: So when I was ten, it started because I grew 271 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: up in Newtown, Connecticut, and it's a great historic, little 272 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: old town. It was the town next to Ed Lorraine Warren, 273 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: who lived in Monroe. I knew them since I was 274 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: about twelve years old and their stories. But I had 275 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: a buddy who lived just down the street. His house 276 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: was built in seventeen sixty, right, His house was older 277 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: than America, and we would have sleepovers and he said, oh, 278 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: by the way, it's haunted. I said, what do you 279 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: mean it's haunted. He said, well, there's this old guy 280 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: that seems to live here with us. He's not heard 281 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: in anything. He just kind of walks down the hall 282 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: and disappears. And I was intrigued. And his parents said, yeah, look, 283 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: please don't tell your parents. They'll think we're crazy. I'll 284 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: have it blocked up, you know. But it was so 285 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: matter of fact, it was so not dangerous or they 286 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: didn't even seem all that frightened. And I'm saying, can 287 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: I live here for a week. I want to see 288 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: this for myself. I want to connect to it. And 289 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: that sort of started me on this path. And then 290 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: in a town like that, I had other friends and say, oh, 291 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: my house is haunted too. Of course it is. It's 292 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: it's you know, two hundred years old. And I thought, well, 293 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: what does that mean? I was raised Catholic, you know, 294 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: And uh, I had that's that's the baggage I carrying. 295 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: And I said, well, where'd ghosts fit in? Father birds? 296 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: You know? And then he would say, well, you know, 297 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot we don't fully understand. God bless him. 298 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: He was very open minded. And uh, and I think 299 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: just that started me on this journey of wanting to 300 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: see it for myself. And that's still you know what 301 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing all these years later. I mean, you have 302 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: turned it into a career, haven't you. Yeah right, I 303 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: mean that the career started. I mean I went full 304 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: time in two thousand and four, so sixteen years ago. 305 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: I was able to to make the leap and just 306 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: just do this. And it was never a career that 307 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: you plan, you know. I think sometimes it finds you. 308 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: You know. I wanted to be a writer. I wanted 309 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: to do that that I knew, and I was writing 310 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: for newspapers and magazines and uh, and then eventually I 311 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: got my first book deal, and then I started working 312 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: on TV projects and things like that, and I think 313 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I woke up one day and I just said, oh 314 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: my goodness, this is my job now. And that called 315 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: my mom. I said, hey, Mom, guess what I do. 316 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: You know our colleague Dave Schrader he loves this stuff too. 317 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Oh I know. Yeah, I've known Dave for years. And 318 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: yeah the Queen Mary. Wasn't that his event? Where where 319 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: we got to? I think so, yeah, that was one 320 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: of his events there. Yeah, it's and it's such a 321 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: great way to connect with people that are also asking questions, 322 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: like inquisitive minds who want to know, are we alone 323 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: in the universe? What happens after we die? What's one 324 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: of the creatures that walk to the earth with us? 325 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: These are the big ones. Listen to more Coast to 326 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern, and go 327 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast am dot com for more