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Speaker 1: The Palestinian Ambassador to China for Reese Madawi, is urging

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Speaker 1: Beijing to play a role in ending the Israel Hamas war.

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Speaker 1: He spoke at host Rashad Salamat and I von Mann.

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Speaker 2: You're in the Chinese capital. What would you like the

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Speaker 2: Chinese government to do in terms of foreign policy as

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Speaker 2: interlocate if anything at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, we would like to have China on

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Speaker 3: board with all other players who can really put an

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Speaker 3: end to this what I should call it, you know,

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Speaker 3: said blood path. I mean, this is the most urgent

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Speaker 3: thing we need to stop what's going on. It's people

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Speaker 3: are dying and we need to address this situation. It's

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Speaker 3: the obligation of the international community, in which China is

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Speaker 3: responsible as well. This is why they're sitting at security

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Speaker 3: concert and this is what we expect from them to

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Speaker 3: join hands along with others. Mister Blinkln is already in

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Speaker 3: the region, many Europeans leaders are there, and I think

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Speaker 3: there is special invoices going on. Mister Wangi has spoken

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Speaker 3: a lot. We are urging not only Palestinian but the

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Speaker 3: all Arab countries are urging everybody. We need joined coordinated

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Speaker 3: efforts really to make this happen. This is responsible to

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Speaker 3: international community in which China needs to play its role.

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Speaker 4: Ambassador, what do you I mean, We're all watching and waiting.

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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, just given this one that we heard

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Speaker 4: from Israel about this evacuation in Gaza, what are the

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Speaker 4: implications are you expecting or I think the chances of

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Speaker 4: a wider conflict here could actually be increased.

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Speaker 5: Now it.

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Speaker 3: Cannot happen. It cannot happen practically speaking, it cannot happen

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Speaker 3: where they will go I mean to SINAI I mean

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Speaker 3: who is going to be the host Egyptian obviously, which

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Speaker 3: is right for them and we support that is not

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Speaker 3: really the home for Palestinian Palistine.

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Speaker 5: Is the home.

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Speaker 3: If they are, you know, welcomed in Israel, they can

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Speaker 3: cross the Borad just to the north and be taken

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Speaker 3: care of while the action is taking place.

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Speaker 5: So it's not.

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Speaker 3: Realistic really to intimidate the Palestina to go out anyway.

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Speaker 3: There is no reaction from our side to a signal

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Speaker 3: in intimidation acceptance by the population itself.

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Speaker 5: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: That did not happen in the past, it will not

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Speaker 3: happen today. So people should look for a practical realistic

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Speaker 3: thing to put an end to what's going on, letting

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Speaker 3: people say where they are, where they belong and anyway,

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Speaker 3: most of those people, by the way, for the information

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Speaker 3: of the audience, ninety percent of the Gasens are originally refugees.

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Speaker 3: They came all the way from Haipha, Yafa, Lud and all.

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Speaker 5: Those regions which used to be called.

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Speaker 3: Palestine in the past, which Israel proper right now, So

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Speaker 3: why they should travel right away? I mean, we have

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Speaker 3: already six million refuge is already live andon in jude

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Speaker 3: and in Syria. I mean, do we need another wave

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Speaker 3: of refugees or Palestinian so these radios should feel happy,

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Speaker 3: so gather without population or what I mean? This is

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Speaker 3: not realistic and nobody should entertain such a proposition anyway, ambassador.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could this, in a strange counterintuitively restart a

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Speaker 2: peace process? And the fact that the Palestinians are not

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Speaker 2: really speaking with one clear voice is one issue. The

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Speaker 2: other is, of course, how do you get out of

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Speaker 2: this cycle of where violence begets violence and you get

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Speaker 2: into this situation now where nobody is actually in any

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Speaker 2: shape way or former winner.

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Speaker 3: There is no winner. I totally agree with what you

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Speaker 3: are saying, I mean, there is no winner and this

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Speaker 3: all are losers, and I think we need to come

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Speaker 3: to this reality.

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Speaker 5: Of course.

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Speaker 3: I mean if you are very powerful like Israeli, saying

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Speaker 3: the argance of power would mislead you to conclusion that

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Speaker 3: you can dictate the terms, it doesn't happen. You know,

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Speaker 3: war is not a joke. When we go to work,

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Speaker 3: we cannot predict the outcome. We are in a situation

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Speaker 3: where things are as symmetrical. A very modern army like

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Speaker 3: Israel has got all the capacity, is fighting against merely

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Speaker 3: you know, very handful people who are struggling to defend themselves.

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Speaker 3: By any mean, this is very unbalanced game in which

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Speaker 3: you cannot predict the outcome because still the cat can

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Speaker 3: scratch if it's corner in the corner becomes like tiger, and.

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Speaker 5: This is what happened.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Israeli is a surprise with that they find that

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Speaker 3: their army is not capable to handle the situation. They

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Speaker 3: thought that they have the misarmy should handle that they

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Speaker 3: did not, and now for the first time they had

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Speaker 3: to suffer inflicted the pain on them. People are taking hostages,

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Speaker 3: there are some bombing. They can also go to the shelters.

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Speaker 3: Israel is not in normal situation. Even the international airport

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Speaker 3: is not running as usual. Markets are not working.

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Speaker 5: By the way, stock exchange in tel Avision.

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Speaker 3: Is not doing very well. It's very vulnerable and small

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Speaker 3: state by every standard. But they think that they are

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Speaker 3: superpower and they can dictate the terms and they can

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Speaker 3: expand settlements. They can maintain this. They tried in the past,

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Speaker 3: and they are running out to face reality. We need

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Speaker 3: to help them realize that at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: we have to find a solution. We had already done

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Speaker 3: that in the past. By the way, when it's Hacraabin

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Speaker 3: and Yaser Arafa decided to change the whole course. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: Hacraabean was shot dead by Igal Amir, who is people

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Speaker 3: now who are in government. Unfortunately, those people who are

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Speaker 3: now in government in Israel, which they are going to

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Speaker 3: lose their job very soon, they thought that they can

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Speaker 3: maintain it with a military option, which is not working

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Speaker 3: very well.

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Speaker 4: We talk about the diplomatic efforts we're seeing from the

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Speaker 4: US as well. You mentioned a little bit about what

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Speaker 4: China could do. I'm just wondering, does Palas I want

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Speaker 4: the life or run or any Arab nation to get involved.

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Speaker 3: Now, the whole Arab had proposed an initiative since two

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Speaker 3: thousand and two.

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Speaker 5: We have a consensus with that.

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Speaker 3: The Arab League met just to as they go, and

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Speaker 3: we are scarcely everybody is crying because, to tell you frankly,

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Speaker 3: even the Arab leaders are totally embarrassed with the situation

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Speaker 3: because they air public opinion is also tough on them.

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Speaker 3: They cannot appear to be important and not able to

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Speaker 3: help at the same time what they can do practically speaking,

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Speaker 3: They are offering every initiative after initiative and there is

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Speaker 3: no response from the other side. Instead, what are the

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Speaker 3: Americans unfortunate administation trying to jump over Palistine by trying

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Speaker 3: to bring normalized normal relation between Israel and the Arab.

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Speaker 5: Countries whom they have no differences?

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Speaker 3: Actually literally speaking with ISRAELI, I mean Israel has no

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Speaker 3: problem with Bahrein, nor Emerits, nor any of other countries.

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Speaker 5: The real problem is.

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Speaker 3: At home here inside Palistine, inside Israel.

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Speaker 5: This is where the issue is.

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Speaker 3: Ignoring that trying to sidelining out doesn't help at all.

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Speaker 3: You have to address the core issue. These are the

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Speaker 3: route issue of the whole conflict in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: It cannot be marginalized, it cannot be overpassed.

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Speaker 2: Ambassador, very very quickly, do you have any evidence that

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Speaker 2: Iran was implicated and behind what happened with this mass

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Speaker 2: attack on Israeli's.

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Speaker 5: Well, let me frank with you.

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Speaker 3: Iran could be beneficiary out of this situation, but the

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Speaker 3: real failure is.

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Speaker 5: Not by Iran.

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Speaker 3: If we had solved this, nobody would benefit from the situation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you want to blame anybody who doesn't like,

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Speaker 3: you know, the American policy or Israeli in that vision,

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Speaker 3: But we are giving them, really the lever is to

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Speaker 3: get used to this situation. Maybe they are, in a

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Speaker 3: way indirectly would be happy to see Israel in big

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Speaker 3: trouble or the American big trouble with their allies when

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Speaker 3: in the situation, But are they instigative? Are the ones

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Speaker 3: who are not a single Iranian in Gaza, by the way,

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Speaker 3: or in Palestine. All what's happening is between us and

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Speaker 3: our next neighbors, Israelis, and we have to find a

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Speaker 3: solution to that. We cannot run away and look to

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Speaker 3: blame others at the time when we can do the

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Speaker 3: piece and we can solve this problem, which is long overdue.

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Speaker 1: That's Palestinian Ambassador to China Faries Medawi speaking with host

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Speaker 1: Rishard Salamat andy I Vonne Mann. For more conversations like

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