1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, November the fifth, and 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: we have never seen reviews for a TV show this 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: universally and overwhelmingly bad. The show we're talking about is 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian's new show on Hulu. It's called All's Fair. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: The reviews are so bad that we just had to watch. 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roobes. 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: We see a lot of reviews from movies and shows 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and look, people have their different opinions. There 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: was a consensus not just that this isn't a quality show, 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: that was a consensus of this might be one of 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: the worst shows, not just of the year, but of 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: all time. I was surprised to see this. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: So as I especially when you look at the cast. 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: This is a power house cast. I mean, Kim Kardashian 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: isn't known for her acting skills, but you've got Sarah Paulson, 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: an Emmy winner, Glenn Close, an Emmy winner, an oscaree, 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: Nissi Nash, an Emmy winner, Naomi Watts, an Oscar nominee, 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: Tianna Taylor, and the writer Ryan Murphy. 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: So it's hard to imagine that it could be that bad. 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: You say you just said that. Kim kardashi is not 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: known for her acting chops, but she's known that everything 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: she touches sterns to goal. This is a I was 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: initially excited about the show, say, oh, I gotta check 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: this out because Kim Kardashian doesn't mess around. She is 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: a savvy and wildly successful businesswoman. I own some of 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: the underwear from Skims. It's quality stuff. 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: I bought them for you because I too love Skims. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: I think they're amazing, and you're right. Everything she does 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: touches or everything she turns, I can't touch. 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: It turns the goal. But correct tie in that with 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: this cast, I was curious. I'm oh, this is gonna 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: be bad ass. 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: And when you put on this is in Hulu, right 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: when you turn on Hulu, it is the first thing 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: you see, so it is being advertised. It looks exciting, bright, shiny, 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: it's about female empowerment. 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want to watch? 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't think we would have. It wasn't on our 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: slate necessarily and make a schedule to see it. But 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I assume, especially the cas is gonna 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: be great. We didn't get interested and say oh, hell yeah, 42 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: we have to watch this immediately until we looked it 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: up and saw reviews. And how is it possible a 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: show with these folks and Ryan Murphy could possibly be bad? 45 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: Correct? 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: And if you don't know who Ryan Murphy is, obviously 47 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: you know his work, even if you don't know his name. Glee, 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: that's just a little show that pretty much if you 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: have a child under the age of twenty, you had 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: that playing in your home, NonStop American horror story and 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: you can see some of the connections. Sarah Paulson has 52 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: been his darling throughout that series. But that I have 53 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: watched several seasons of that. It is well done. It 54 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: is a brilliant piece of television. 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: He's hot. Everybody knows this. He doesn't nuss around. So 56 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: how did we end up here? And folks, we're not 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: just we will go through the just the headlines. I'm 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: shocked at some of these. But if you're not up 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: on what the show is, first of all, it's been 60 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: promoted quite a bit. And again if you turn on 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: Hulu at all, you see them up there, these fabulously 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: dressed and accomplished actors, actresses and just badasses in the industry. 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: It has to get your attention. Now, what is the 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: show supposed to be about? This is how they describe it, 65 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: at least the synopsis. A team of female divorce attorneys 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: leave a male dominated firm to open their own powerhouse practice. 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: That sounds good already, doesn't it. 68 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: I'm in. 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Fierce, brilliant, and emotionally complicated. They navigate high stakes breakups, 70 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: scandalous secrets, and shifting allegiances, both in the courtroom and 71 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: within their own ranks. In a world where money talks 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: and love is a battleground, these women don't just play 73 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: the game, they change it all in. That's a great 74 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: write up. It is with this cast that sounds perfect. 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm in until you watch it. 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Well, I started this is. We like to stay away 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: from reviews sometimes because we don't want to be tainted, 78 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: but for sure the reviews had us wanting to watch 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: this show now. Rotten Tomatoes. I actually asked you this morning. 80 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: I said, do they is Rotten Tomatoes big for TV 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: shows as it is for movies. I know people use 82 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: Rotten Tomato scores in advertisement. We have a Rotten Tomato 83 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: score and I thought that was just movies. You said, 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: this is for TV shows as well. 85 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: I've definitely seen it for series and looked up like 86 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: big series. 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: They certainly rate it, they have reviews all of that. 88 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: So, yes, it is still considered a go to in 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: terms of do most critics like this show? Do most 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: audience members like the show? You can go to Rotten 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: Tomatoes for TV series as well. 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Just as legit, right, this is what you were telling. Yes, 93 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: so I didn't even know this was possible necessarily when 94 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: we saw the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes. Again, the 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: show has three episodes that are out now that you 96 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: can check out. It's a ten episode series. The critics 97 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: don't seem to like it. Roams. 98 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: Rotten Tomato score is zero percent. 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: Didn't know it's possible. I didn't know. You how do 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: you even do that? 101 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: Well, we watched three episodes. I can tell you how 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: you do it? 103 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the audience score, to be honest with you, 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised it was as high as 105 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: it was. 106 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: Yes, the audience score is fifty four percent. 107 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: And so typically I've joked when we did our whole 108 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: Halloween horror hit list series, I oftentimes look at it 109 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: as Woho, I'm gonna love this when I see the 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: critics hate it and the audience loved it, because sometimes 111 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: you're just wondering whether or not the critics take something 112 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: too seriously or looking for something deeper or meaningful, when 113 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: actually I just wanted to have fun. 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: So I was all in to watch this with you and. 115 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: Actually was expecting to like it more despite the critics 116 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: write ups on it, and my job was dropped. I 117 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: think for all three episodes throughout for different reasons, I 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: couldn't believe what I was watching and what I was 119 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: hearing and what I was witnessing. 120 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: And again people talk about sometimes hate watching things it's 121 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: so bad it's good kind of a thing. This didn't 122 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: come off like that. Look, we gonna share what other 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: folks saying, this is not. We are not movie critics, 124 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: we're not TV critics. We're not trained to do that, 125 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: we are not paid to do that. All we are 126 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: is audience members. We're viewers, we're watchers, we are consumers 127 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: of this stuff, and we are in no place. Is 128 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: not our place. We are not going to criticize a 129 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: line that Ryan Murphy wrote for this drama. This is 130 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: not our place. Not going to criticize any acting that 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: anybody did. All we could do is tell you what 132 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: we saw and tell you what other people said. So 133 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: let's just start with the headlines. We're not even gonna 134 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: get into the details. This is strictly the headlines robe. 135 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian's divorce drama is fascinatingly existentially terrible. Another abysmal 136 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian led legal drama might be Ryan Murphy's worst show. 137 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Yet another Kim kardashians All's Fair is the worst show 138 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: of the year. Another this may be the worst TV 139 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: drama ever. 140 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: They go on. 141 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: Kim kardashians All's Fair may be the worst new streaming 142 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: show of twenty twenty five. Kim Kardashian's new legal drama 143 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: is a crime against television. Kim Kardashian's legal drama All's 144 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: Fair is a clumsy, condescending girl Boss Fantasia. And then finally, 145 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian is an appropriately wooden lead for Ryan Murphy's empty, 146 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: unforgivably dull Hulu drama. 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: These aren't mad or so, so this is a consensus 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: slamming this thing not just as being a C or 149 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: even a D, but like an F minus. 150 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: Like people are offended how bad it is. 151 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, so of course you read that. I came. 152 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I immediately picked. 153 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: Up you, ran into the room and said, Babe, I've 154 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: got the next thing we have to watch. And when 155 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: I say the next thing, I mean right now. We're 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: turning this on. 157 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: And we binged all three of the episodes that were available, 158 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: and I was upset there weren't more to watch more 159 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: because we wanted more. 160 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: And I want to ask you what was And I 161 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: know you said you. 162 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Aren't a review or a critic, so to speak, but 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: what was your impression after watching it for the first 164 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: five minutes? 165 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Confusion? I was confused about what I was supposed to 166 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: be seeing, what it was supposed to mean, if I 167 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: was misinterpreting. I actually went back while we were watching 168 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: and looked like, at the synopsis or the category, is this? 169 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: Is it a drama? Is it a comedy? Is it 170 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: a thrill? At what? I didn't know what I was seeing, 171 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: And I didn't know if it was supposed to be 172 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of campy, it was supposed to be a parody 173 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: of something, or if I was supposed to take what 174 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm seeing seriously. I didn't know. 175 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: Yes, because it's so over the top, from what the 176 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: women are wearing, to the lines that they say and give, 177 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: to the repeated male bashing, to the girl power. I 178 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: was cringing and thinking to myself, how is it possible 179 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: that this talented group of people continued delivering these lines 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: wearing the clothing that they're wearing in the over the 181 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: top setting they're in. I was shocked that they were 182 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: all on board with it because it felt so ridiculous 183 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: that I too, thought maybe if this were deliberately campy, 184 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: I would understand it. 185 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: If this were deliberately I don't even know what. 186 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: You said ridiculous, but I thought I might have been 187 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: missing the point that it was supposed to be. I 188 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: was researching, I was watching the show because I thought 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: I was missing something to the over the top nature 190 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: of it. Is that what it's supposed to be. Am 191 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: I supposed to be taking a message, a deeper message, 192 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: or I'm supposed to just be sitting here relieved that 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm not having to hear about the shutdown for a second. 194 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: Is this just a fantasy world I'm supposed to enter 195 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: to get me away from this real world that's annoying? 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: The hell it is a fantasy world. 197 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: There is no scenario in which what I saw in 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: those three episode could actually exist in real life. 199 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: All right, So we read all these negative reviews and 200 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: then this one is the one that was relevant and 201 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: brought it all home. A review said this quote, all's fair. 202 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: Bad reviews are making it a must watch. It became 203 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: must watch television for us. Now we talked about how 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: negative this was on Rotten Tomatoes, so I included positive 205 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: audience reviews, and this maybe brings it home. Somebody said 206 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: show is fun and a great watch. Don't understand the 207 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: bad reviews at all. Clearly delusional haters. Is that some 208 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: of that? Is this some Kim Kardashian hate going towards her? 209 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 3: Nope, no, I do not agree with that. 210 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: Another one saying so over the top, it's ridiculous, and 211 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: this is why I enjoyed it. I get that. That 212 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: makes sense. Honestly. The show's kind of good. It's interesting, 213 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: visually dazzling, campy, and current. It almost feels like a 214 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: modern and lighter interpretation of Nip Tuck through the setting 215 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: of a law. 216 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Firm that is exceptionally kind kind. 217 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: I didn't watch Nip Talk as you. 218 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: Want that one, No, but it was critically acclaimed. 219 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: Okay, here's another. I think it's fresh. It has the drama, 220 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: the comedy, and the rich life that most of us 221 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: will never have. Perfect show to just relax and enjoy 222 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: a break from normal life. Is that? 223 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: Is that the last line I can get? 224 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: And look, we are going to keep watching it because wait, 225 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: it is so because I can't believe what I'm watching 226 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: and if it's if that's the draw in and of itself, bravo. 227 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: But I just I found myself again. My jaw was 228 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: actually dropped. 229 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: I'm not just speaking in a term like I couldn't 230 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: believe what I was watching to the point where I 231 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: want to keep watching. 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: All right, This is just a light, silly and visually 233 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: stunning show reminds me of a classic primetime soap from 234 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: back in the eighties. 235 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I totally agree with that Dynasty. It's almost like 236 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: a telenovela for modern day women, where it is a 237 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: soap opera fantasy over the top. Come on, nobody could 238 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: possibly dressed like that, where those diamonds every day have 239 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: that type of airbrushing. 240 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: On your face. 241 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's you can't stop watching it. 242 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: You sound like you get it now. In a way, 243 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like when that reference was made to it 244 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: primetime soap in the eighties, like oh okay. 245 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: But was that the intention? 246 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. 247 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: I would love to hear from Ryan Murphy. I would 248 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: love to hear from any of these actors about what 249 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: they want people to take away. Is this to be 250 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: taken seriously? Was this meant to be some girl power? 251 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: Yes, there were a time they had a press. I 252 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: wasn't a junket, but it was some precevent They were 253 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: all together and they yelled out that it was aspirational, 254 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: that it was meant to be aspirational. I'm pretty sure 255 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: that was the word they several of them repeated it. 256 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: How did you feel about all the male bashing because 257 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: it was a constant like all men are dogs, all 258 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: men are assholes, all men cheat, all men try to 259 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: take all the money for themselves, all men make nasty 260 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: jokes about women. I mean it really just it hit 261 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: every stereotypical negative idea you could have about a man, 262 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: and it was on repeat. 263 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of women listening right now as 264 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: you were going through that, going. 265 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: Check check check, they feel validated. 266 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: Check yep. Men. That's where they are and that's what 267 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: they do. 268 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: Now, it's a show created by men about women. 269 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: However, there are some of the reviews that'll get into 270 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: that suggests some man of the executive producers, though, were women, 271 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: and the women who are part of this, including Chris Jenner. 272 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: I did see they say she has her stamp. There's 273 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: someone in here, and we'll get to that. Wrote that 274 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy has been Cardashiana five or something. I did 275 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: see that, whatever that line was, But to say that 276 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: more of the influence is not his writing and his vision, 277 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: but it's coming from Chris Jenner on that this is 278 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: definitely a women's show. So men, leave your opinions out. 279 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: Kim you eight, that's an audience review, And when I 280 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: read that one, I went back and sure enough a 281 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: lot of the one star, half star, zero star were 282 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: for men going off pretty angrily about it. Now some 283 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: of the audience reviews. 284 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yes, But I still think it 285 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: was kind of offensive to women too, because it was 286 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: very stereotypical on all parts, like for men and for women. 287 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: It just felt like all aging women think about is 288 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: what they look like, how much filler they have, how 289 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: to dress a certain way, and look, there's an element 290 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: of that in all of us, but it just seemed 291 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: like hyper focused on wealth and beauty AKA the Kardashians. 292 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: You, oh man, you're hitting all these points. Okay, So 293 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: we just gave you the headlines. We're going to read 294 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: some actual excerpts from you when we come back, and 295 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: you have to hear how people actually break down. I 296 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: don't think they're being mean. And some of these reviews, 297 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: these are professional critics who are giving their assessment of 298 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: what we are seeing on the new and I'm going 299 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: to say going to be hit show on Hulu. All's Fair. 300 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: Stay here, continue our conversation now on All's Fair. And 301 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: this is truly a juicy conversation because people have so 302 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: many opinions about this show, most of them negative. Again 303 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. This is Hulu's new hit show, 304 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian's legal drama about female empowerment, and certainly it's campy. 305 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: We watched the three episodes that are out and you 306 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: won't want to stop watching, even if it is to 307 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: gawk at the show itself. But look, I'm willing to say, hey, 308 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: and even these critics who are all I agree with 309 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: most of what they have to say, and we'll go 310 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: through their pretty remarkable reviews. 311 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: But maybe this is the brilliance of the Kardashians. 312 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: They know how to get people talking, they know how 313 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: to rile people up, they know how to make a mark. 314 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they also know what people want because they are 315 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: very much a part of putting the show together. And 316 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: there are comparisons being made to keeping up with the 317 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: Kardashians their reality show. It feels that way in a 318 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of ways of what you're watching some of the 319 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: excerpts from front some of the reviewers, and look, these 320 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: are I don't know if you're going to have much 321 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: of a problem with any of these ropes. I don't 322 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: think they were necessarily mean. But let's start here with 323 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: with one. Not even Glenn Close can save this Ryan 324 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: Murphy disaster from its dismal plots, clueless characters, and the 325 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: worst kissing scenes ever filmed. There were some awkward moments. 326 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Percent another one say I did not know what was 327 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: possible to make television this bad. I assumed that there 328 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: was some sort of baseline, some inescapable betrock knowledge of 329 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: how to do it, and that now prevents any entry 330 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: into the art form from falling below a certain standard. 331 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: But I was wrong. I said this is like a 332 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: baseline for television producing that they didn't even hit. 333 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: I would say this, it's shockingly bad. Now if it's 334 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: deliberately campy, couldn't the intention have been somewhere in between? 335 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't obviously want to make something bad 336 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: or poorly reviewed. 337 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: Do we have to know the intention to just sit 338 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: here and go wow? 339 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: Wow? 340 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: I mean wow, is what I say. Nissi Nash bets 341 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: is in here as well. A lot of you oll noah. 342 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: We obviously love her and will never have anything negative 343 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: to say about her. We love her even on a 344 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: personal level. But she is arguably the best performer, the 345 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: most entertaining of in the bunch. She has her moments. 346 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: My takeaway was thank God for Nisi Nash. 347 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: She has her moments, she has the only moments, And 348 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: you could argue in some ways, but this reviewer saying 349 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: Nash and unstoppable on screen force fares better in a 350 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: role where the comic intent suits her well. But how 351 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: parts for black women are still being written as nothing 352 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: more than loud and sassy. I do not know that's true? 353 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then goes on to say so bad, it's 354 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: not good. 355 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: And the other only black role in there was for 356 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: someone who was a side piece. 357 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that that matters. That absolutely matters. 358 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: There are some other pretty remarkable reviews here that we'll 359 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: read for you surrounding her. They're talking about Kim Kardashian 360 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: with powerhouses like Glenn Close, Naomi Watts, Nissi Nash Bets, 361 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: Sarah Paulson, and Tiana Taylor, only makes her weakness as 362 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: an actor more apparent. But Kardashian's performance, stiff and effectless 363 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: without a single authentic note, is exactly what the writing. Also, 364 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: stiff and effectless without a single authentic note, merits her 365 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: very presence, which six it's a generating buzz and not 366 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: much else. Feels fitting for a show that seems to 367 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: want not to be watched so much as mined for 368 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: viral bits and pieces. 369 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: That was an interesting way to put it. And then 370 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: I saw another review saying it doesn't even do a 371 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: good job of that. Trying to find things to pluck 372 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: out that could be viral, that could be memes, that 373 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: could be cool, they're not there either. 374 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: Yes, some of the one liners it was cringey. They 375 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: were very cringey and bitchy one liners, I believe, is 376 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: how one of the reviewers put it. 377 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: And that's the next line here. The show is to 378 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: serve fierce looks, bitchy one liners, and big, juicy moments 379 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: with severely mixed results. Cheerfully unconcerned with any notion of 380 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: what lawyers might wear to work, costume designer Paula Bradley 381 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: creates her own fantasy version of office wear, involving jewel 382 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: tone hats and gloves, diamonds, the size of baseballs, and 383 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: enormous displays of cleavage. The outfits may not always be 384 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: chic or even pretty, but as modeled by red carpet 385 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: pros like Kardashian, Nash Bets or Tailor, they do exactly 386 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: what they're intended to do, which is make you stop 387 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: and stare boom. 388 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: There are many times throughout the evening where you said, 389 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: what is she wearing? 390 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: Because I'm in all but I don't think anything is ugly. 391 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: It's just over the top, even how they're lounging around 392 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: the house sometimes and things that are red carpet worthy, yes, 393 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: stand out to a lot of people. 394 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: This one, I actually this next review I had to 395 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: actually completely agree with. So All's Fair is a clumsy, 396 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: condescending take on raw raw girl boss feminism, half baked 397 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: even by the standards of an over extended Murphy. It's 398 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: true that the tone is intentionally camp adjacent, and if 399 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: one squints, they could discern the vague outlines of a parody. 400 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: But that's little consolation when All's Fair demonstrates such a 401 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: low opinion of its viewers. Assuming will bark like seals 402 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: when fed disconnected scrap of sassy one liners, flashy outfits 403 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 2: and men ain't shit commiseration. 404 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole That is it. That's the whole show, 405 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: and all the episodes we see. Every new case they 406 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: get is the same thing. A woman, Mary's a really 407 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: rich guy. He treats her very poorly, and she comes 408 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: in and they wrap up the case in like five minutes. 409 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: Man, they are like, they kill it. 410 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: They nail it every time they show up, these stupid, silly, 411 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: egotistical men, and they show them who's in charge every time. 412 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: And look, there's something to that. Do we not have 413 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: enough of that on television? You can make those arguments. 414 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get that deep into it, and 415 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people did. It's a show that I 416 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: don't know why, and I can't explain why this is 417 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: me a show cast full of women in which it's 418 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: meant to just bash men. I can't wait for the 419 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: next episode that means you did something right and putting 420 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: the show together because I'm running to the TV, I guess. 421 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 3: But I do like this. I like this one. 422 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: It all feels icky, like an orgy of vulgarity, where 423 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: greed rules, love means nothing, and we're somehow being forced 424 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: to feel we should all want to revel in this 425 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: world too. 426 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: It is this is you want this, and it's when 427 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: you step back and look at it and go, wow, 428 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: this is ugh that's right. Ikey is a good word. 429 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: Who This was Glamour, Yeah, and that's a female forward 430 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: magazine obviously and certainly would embrace female empowerment. That's not 431 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: what this felt like. And I just it's puzzling to me. 432 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: And yet I'll be back for episode four. The moment 433 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: it drops. 434 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: About Ryan Murphy, here is the Kardashianified said he's drunk, 435 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: the Chris Jenner kool aid, and the Murphy cinematic universe 436 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: has been infected by this so called aspirational lifestyle. The 437 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: Kardashians dictate we should all be conforming to aspire to, which, 438 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: in other words, translate as behaving like a billionaire. Wow. 439 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 2: Yes, wow, I also do worry about Look, this might 440 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: just be me taking it too far, but I've got 441 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 2: young girls who watch the Kardashians, and you see all 442 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: of these and not that my girls, if would ever 443 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: partake in any of this, but like the Fillers, we 444 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: see young girls getting lip flips and botox in their 445 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: twenties and all this stuff and wanting to buy the 446 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: expense of this and live a certain way and feel 447 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: her almost entitled or should be able to live a 448 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: certain lifestyle and lay around in silk pajamas drinking red 449 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: wine talking about how horrible men are. But I just 450 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a little concerning what maybe even 451 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: younger women take. 452 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: Away from a show like this. 453 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: Well, why can we just it's just a show, It's 454 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: just entertainment, it's just fantasy. 455 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: The impact and the influence of the Kardashians on a 456 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: young female culture cannot be denied. 457 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, no, no, that's but I'm saying it was 458 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: there before I ever saw her as a lawyer on 459 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: the show. 460 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: Correct, But now it's almost being glamorized in a different way, 461 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: in a stylized way. I don't watch the Kardashians, but 462 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: this seems to be a scripted version of it. 463 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: Not that a scripted version, you know. 464 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: And and I don't know if they're putting it out 465 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: as aspirational. 466 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 3: That's disturbing to me. 467 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Someone here said in another review that it feels more 468 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: like a series of Instagram boasts. That's all we're. 469 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: Seeing, flossing, flexing. Yes, she even at one point, Kim 470 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 2: Kardashian's character dresses in all yellow like Beyonce's lemonade and 471 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: bashes the car. I mean, yes, it almost looks like 472 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: a music video. 473 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: This one is the This is the only I got 474 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: a little not quite mean, but a little mean, a 475 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: little personal, I should say. Someone said, again, these are 476 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: professional critic reviews we're talking about. Now, well done, Kim. 477 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: You must have healthy Excuse me, you must have quite 478 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: a healthy ego yourself to start in what may well 479 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: be the worst television drama ever made. Because All's Fair 480 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: is so bad, it's not even enjoyably so it thinks 481 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: it's a feminist fable about spirited lawyers getting their own 482 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: back on cruel rich men, but is in fact a 483 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: tacky and revolting monument to the same greed, vanity and avarice. 484 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: It's supposedly targ. 485 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: Wow, that is so true. 486 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: Like so women becoming like the men they're saying they 487 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: hate is something to be valued or aspire to, which 488 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: is disturbing. Also, can I point out and I love 489 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: Sarah Paulson. I love her as a human, I love 490 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: her as an actress, but I cannot stand the character 491 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: they've created for her, this adversary and it's women fighting 492 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: women and the cat fighting and the mean, spirited, horrific, 493 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: vulgar language that comes out of Paulson's mouth and her 494 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: character is it's supposed to be funny, cute, empowering, cool, 495 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: but they're acting like men. And I don't mean to 496 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: say that, like adding to the stereotype. 497 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: Of it all, but that is such a good. 498 00:25:52,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Point, cold, ruthless, vulgar. These are I guess attributes least, 499 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: when you talk about men in the office are things 500 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: that behavior needs to stop and needs to get out 501 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: of the office. They embrace it at times and to 502 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: a point, look Sarah Pouls and some of the stuff 503 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: they give her as ridiculous. She delivers some moments just 504 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: because she's fricking Sarah Pauls. 505 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's an amazing action. 506 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: It's incredible, and she knocks it out of the park 507 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: on some things. But I can't imagine some of the 508 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: lines she has that she's able to do what she 509 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: did with them. 510 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: You put one of them in here that I don't 511 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: think I can read. Uh, I will do you want 512 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: me to? I think just to give people an idea, 513 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: because there isn't really a curse word in here, right, 514 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: it's just disgusting. 515 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, but she has several we just to give 516 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: you do it, But I just give an idea. She 517 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: has several, like over the tops unnecessarily. 518 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: Seaword is used to constant. 519 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: In combination with Burger at one point. 520 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm just like, ooh, I didn't need to 521 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: hear that while I'm making dinner, Like literally we were 522 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: making dinner and hearing Sea Burger was a little much 523 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: for me. 524 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: But maybe that's just me. 525 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: But she's describing about whether or not she would represent 526 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian's character. I wouldn't do that even if I 527 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: were penniless and starving on a street corner, forced to 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: blow a priest with chlamydia for a bowl of refried beans. 529 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: I mean, take that. 530 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: In specific, it's creative over the top. Some d I'd say, 531 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: it's just it's funny and it's creative, right, it's fine, 532 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: But it's just that that is an example of the 533 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: over the topness then. 534 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, but that's just one example. There are far 535 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: worse examples that we won't repeat here. 536 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: But it's a hit. If it's not yet, it will 537 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: be well follow up. I messaged two people yesterday after 538 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: we started watching the show and said, you need to 539 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: watch this. So it's gonna get around by word of 540 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: mouth for whatever reason. But Robes, I cannot wait for 541 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: the next episode. I think it comes out next week. 542 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: It's three up there now. We're gonna watch those again 543 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: today as well. 544 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: All right, stay tuned. 545 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: We will keep you updated on all's fair and what's 546 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 2: going on in the world as well. We always appreciate 547 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: you listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. 548 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: Holmes. 549 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: Have a great day.