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Speaker 1: it is. We back at against chronicles. Man, you know
Speaker 1: what they do with the homie big still yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff going down right now. Man
Speaker 1: about now. I think this is the most attention that
Speaker 1: the Women's Final four has ever had. In particular, man,
Speaker 1: because of the Home Girl man Ain'tel Reese. They talked
Speaker 1: about this girl man ninety ways. South Man said that
Speaker 1: she was low class. The one cat called or an idiot,
Speaker 1: which I didn't really appreciate. And I just noticed with them,
Speaker 1: it's always like a difference because when the girl, when
Speaker 1: the Caitlin Clark girl was doing it, when she was
Speaker 1: out there talking people, Oh she was a monster, she
Speaker 1: was fantastic. It was this lest she got all kinds
Speaker 1: of praise heaped on her. But when his sister went
Speaker 1: out there and did the same exact thing, they talked
Speaker 1: about her like a dog. So I guess it's Steelil's man.
Speaker 1: A lot of division in this country, you know. I
Speaker 1: think people just had a problem with because she was
Speaker 1: standing right next to the girl, and you know, the
Speaker 1: girl was like in a like I guess they was
Speaker 1: at the free throw line or something. I watched it,
Speaker 1: and you know, Angel was like, you know, you know, so,
Speaker 1: I mean in football, it's talking, right, I mean we
Speaker 1: were cool with it. I mean it's sports, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do sports. We know kids from shit, you can
Speaker 1: even go back to the youth level. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Kids arrivals, nothing wrong with rivals, but you know,
Speaker 1: some people getting their feelings about certain shit that that
Speaker 1: that that is done by I guess us as a
Speaker 1: black people, it's frowned upon, you know. Um, But I
Speaker 1: guess if it was another sister that was standing there,
Speaker 1: would it have been a big deal. If it was
Speaker 1: another sister standing there, probably not. I guess that's they
Speaker 1: try trying to make it a big deal because of
Speaker 1: the race issue, which they shouldn't. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: just how people do shit. Man. We've always been separated
Speaker 1: and divided, and it's always been looked upon as if
Speaker 1: we perform or we do some shit. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just face it. You know, we are gifted and talented
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports and shit like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'd like to talk shit, and we liked the floss,
Speaker 1: you know, so when the other side wants to steal
Speaker 1: our shine, you know, I mean, because like I said,
Speaker 1: I've seen her do it. I guess they was playing
Speaker 1: I guess South Carolina or somebody like that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, she put them out or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you've seen her walking back to her bitch and
Speaker 1: she was doing it, you know, was she following the
Speaker 1: South Carolina, the girls around, you know, like hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: well you know she did some stuff though, because when
Speaker 1: the girl was at the three point line, her opponent right,
Speaker 1: she like waved her off and didn't even guard and
Speaker 1: was like, I there, you to take a shot. So
Speaker 1: she was definitely out there talking to her ship being
Speaker 1: shit um. And I'm not mad at her at that,
Speaker 1: feeling like, motherfucker, I know you ain't gonna make the shot,
Speaker 1: so go ahead and take it. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: got no problem with that. Man. I actually don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with Caitlin Clark. I think she's a hell
Speaker 1: of a basketball plass, she's a hell of a hooper.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what I have a problem
Speaker 1: with is the double standard in America that still exists
Speaker 1: in America, to where when one person does it, oh
Speaker 1: she's awesome, she's this, she's that, she get a ton
Speaker 1: of praise heaped on her, but when his sister does it,
Speaker 1: oh she's an idiot, she low class. They may as
Speaker 1: well came out and called her a black bitch dog.
Speaker 1: That's that I mean. But that's the hidden hatred of
Speaker 1: people and they, you know, and the idiot shit that
Speaker 1: they think of but like I said, that ship has
Speaker 1: been going on for how long still, man, ever since
Speaker 1: I was born. I'm a my fifties dog, and it's
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that people be so surprised about shit,
Speaker 1: you know when it happens, I guess because the reality
Speaker 1: is people don't want to believe that the shit is
Speaker 1: still present. But then wake the fuck up, you feel me,
Speaker 1: It don't matter who the fuck you vote in, who
Speaker 1: the fuck you vote out, who the fuck you make
Speaker 1: this or make that, or what rule you change or
Speaker 1: try to change or alternate or whatever, it's still gonna
Speaker 1: be the stubble fucking standard you give me. It's still
Speaker 1: gonna be the double standard what I taught a motherfucker
Speaker 1: shit if I'm not feeling, but yeah, when you feel
Speaker 1: your Yeah, we ain't never won a national championship men
Speaker 1: or women's in basketball, and shit, everybody had already voted
Speaker 1: us out. Like, men, we ain't gonna beat this IOWA team.
Speaker 1: You get me and they come in and spank a
Speaker 1: motherfucker a hundred and something to eighty something. Man, please,
Speaker 1: I'd have been all up in the coach's face party,
Speaker 1: like yeah, nigga ring ring. People gotta stop you know,
Speaker 1: and then another thing. It's horrible for adults, even for
Speaker 1: the white motherfuckers, for the white people, it's horrible that
Speaker 1: she would sit up and call a college student an idiot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or class lists or whatever. Whatever. Oh, let me let
Speaker 1: me tell you. Let me tell you it was because
Speaker 1: I got all these names for now my nigga from
Speaker 1: the president of vice president of bar Studs. Yeah, jose
Speaker 1: Hey sus or Tis dude called Reese's actions class lists,
Speaker 1: and Keith Overman called the girl an idiot, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that couldn't have been my daughter, dog, it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been my dough And what's to do? Like, I said,
Speaker 1: what's the dude the bar Studs, the CEO barstud what's
Speaker 1: his name? Was a fucking He said she was a
Speaker 1: fucking something like. And then I've seen the million Dollar Game.
Speaker 1: Dudes come on and they like, I guess because you know,
Speaker 1: they in partnership with them. Yeah, and that had to
Speaker 1: be you know, Gillian Waller shut up day. You know,
Speaker 1: they came on. It was like, we don't condone, you
Speaker 1: know what homeboy sends and he don't own our show
Speaker 1: and whatever whatever. But I feel a certain kind of
Speaker 1: way to see that. Somebody that I was in a
Speaker 1: partnership with expressed that, man, this is a young lady
Speaker 1: that lets you know what they stand. See. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what times like this because this is
Speaker 1: way bigger than that basketball game. Right. What this does
Speaker 1: is it gives us a reminder. Every once in a
Speaker 1: while when we get too comfortable and start thinking shit
Speaker 1: is all good and it sweet, we get little reminders. Right.
Speaker 1: This is one of those reminders because you see where
Speaker 1: a person stands when stuff like this happens. Because like
Speaker 1: all the white folks, I know, when the white girl
Speaker 1: was doing this stuff, Oh she's awesome. Have you seen her?
Speaker 1: The other one? Oh she has no class. And even now,
Speaker 1: man with the when if you've ever known the White
Speaker 1: House to invite the runner up, well, I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: It's always to win. You gotta figure that's that's that's
Speaker 1: personal shit. You get me. Somebody in the White House
Speaker 1: feels that these women from Iowa should should join in
Speaker 1: on the celebration with LSU. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: which is kind of phony. Yeah, that's that old second
Speaker 1: place trophy shit though dogs second place trophy shit fucket
Speaker 1: you lost, but still we're gonna invite you. You get
Speaker 1: to see the president, so it still makes it significant
Speaker 1: for them. But check this out. You know what I
Speaker 1: really shot off to Angel Reese. Man, this girl is
Speaker 1: taking her moment, man, and she really becoming a voice.
Speaker 1: Listen to what she said, man about that. Louisiana State
Speaker 1: University's Angel Reefs had two words for Jille Brighton After
Speaker 1: the first. Lady suggested both the winners and the runner
Speaker 1: up of the NCUBA A Women's basketball Championship visit the
Speaker 1: White House a joke. Biden attended the game Sunday at
Speaker 1: the American Airline Center in Dallas, where Reese and her
Speaker 1: team defeated the Hall guys one on two to eighty five.
Speaker 1: Biden congratulated both teams Monday, doing remarks to Colorado State
Speaker 1: lawmakers in Denver. Biden said the matchup was a great
Speaker 1: game and a product of the Fight for Title nine,
Speaker 1: which per hips discrimination on the basis of sex and
Speaker 1: colleges ushering generations of female athlete since nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: Since she spoke about inviting the two teams to the
Speaker 1: White House, I know we will have the champions come
Speaker 1: to the White House. We always do. So we hope
Speaker 1: LSU would come, but you know, I'm gonna tell Joe,
Speaker 1: I think Iowas should come too, because they played such
Speaker 1: a good game. What kind of shit is that they got? Whooped?
Speaker 1: They got me? You know, you based a good game,
Speaker 1: Like there's some foolshit that's that's a spike at LSU
Speaker 1: to me, And I'm gonna just keep this in my
Speaker 1: own opinion. She was like, fuck this shit, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show them. I'm gonna invite both of them, you get me,
Speaker 1: because everybody knew what the controversy was behind that ship
Speaker 1: that was going on with the little hand thing, So
Speaker 1: to me, it was like a spike thing, like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just to suggest that both of them come, you
Speaker 1: get me. Yeah, Well, Angel Reese, you know why I
Speaker 1: like her because I ain't going most of the time.
Speaker 1: I turned around and side ain't going that both of
Speaker 1: us got sons. You got a son that's about to
Speaker 1: go through that whole college experienced dog. They get told
Speaker 1: constantly to be quiet about ship. You you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to have an opinion about it. So I'm glad that
Speaker 1: shout out the Angel Reese and she got some people
Speaker 1: backing her up like Stephen A. Smith. He said, Hey, Reese,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely zero disrespect to the first lady, but
Speaker 1: you are a thousand percent correct. That is a bad suggestion.
Speaker 1: Runner ups don't get invited to the White House. Why
Speaker 1: are we trying to change it now? And runner up?
Speaker 1: Fuck that? The losers, Yeah, the losers at down the
Speaker 1: runner up. It's over lost. You lost. I've never known now,
Speaker 1: I've been you know. I mean you both coach Pop
Speaker 1: wanting football, right, I've been on the side to where
Speaker 1: I was in the winter seat and in the loser's
Speaker 1: seat at the end of the game when they're giving
Speaker 1: you your trophy, right, you get that second place trophy?
Speaker 1: You want to throw that motherfucker in the trash. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is. We lost, Yeah, you lost.
Speaker 1: Let's get ready for next season. Yeah, you get ready
Speaker 1: for next season. I've never I got a whole garage
Speaker 1: full of second place trophies. Daughter, we won. You know
Speaker 1: what my son Christopher used to do when he get there.
Speaker 1: He would grab them and break him on the ground,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that, Like we lost. Shit, Karan
Speaker 1: did shit. Karan would never you know, it wasn't even
Speaker 1: about that shit we lose in the season, Karan be like, shit, niggas,
Speaker 1: we're getting ready for next season. Yeah, they're ready for
Speaker 1: next season. You know, we gotta stop and when we
Speaker 1: got and that's the problem now in this country, man,
Speaker 1: I think they feel like they should pacify the loser,
Speaker 1: so you know, and then at the kid level, it's
Speaker 1: like you know, with or a lot of organizations. Um
Speaker 1: what I was told, it's like it's the bread bottom,
Speaker 1: you know. I guess the Vice President's wife, I mean
Speaker 1: President Biden's wife decided to invite. She said, Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell Joe, I think both teams need to go,
Speaker 1: which is some bullshit, that's I I think it's not
Speaker 1: to say it like that. You know, they have the
Speaker 1: power to do whatever. You know, she's the first Lady whatever.
Speaker 1: She's probably looking at it like, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: good suggestion to have both teams, you know, whatever. That
Speaker 1: they invite both teams last year, They've never done that before,
Speaker 1: the second place teams a year before that. To me,
Speaker 1: I think it's a job because you know, the first
Speaker 1: Lady was at the game. She got to witness the
Speaker 1: tension between you know, LSU and Iowa, and let's face it,
Speaker 1: everybody wanted Iowa to win. Probably LSU was the underdog.
Speaker 1: Even though these sisters was bawling and they was putting
Speaker 1: in work, they probably was already set up. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Iowa the Clark's girl. You know it
Speaker 1: was it was finna be the story, you know, riding
Speaker 1: off into the sunset. Oh my god, Iowa Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: and oh man, she whoop the womp. So it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was already set up, shouting around, you
Speaker 1: know how motherfucker you be at the super Bowl or something.
Speaker 1: Both teams had a champagne and the ship set up
Speaker 1: in the locker room, right. They both had a T
Speaker 1: shirts ready, the hats ready. And then you get to
Speaker 1: a point where you're gonna shit, we lose it, so
Speaker 1: they clear all that shit out. It was already set up,
Speaker 1: probably that they was ready for Iowa to take that
Speaker 1: game unless you stepped up. And then as a spike call,
Speaker 1: because the young ladies was feeling, you know, the emotions
Speaker 1: of y'all didn't give us a chance. Angel Reese was
Speaker 1: feeling like y'all been calling the hood ever since I
Speaker 1: showed up. We didn't fit in. I'm not the basketball type,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. She went out and proved
Speaker 1: herself against the team, and now she wants to She
Speaker 1: wanted to get a payback fall of sipion ship, fall
Speaker 1: of sisters who felt like, you know, everything's about the
Speaker 1: Clark's sister, the Clark girl, the Clark girl. Everything's about
Speaker 1: the Clark girl. Y'all not even giving us a chance.
Speaker 1: So for them to go out there and whip that ass.
Speaker 1: I want my just do and I'm gonna do. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: with everything, just like our kids do when they play football.
Speaker 1: When Chris played youth ball, Karan play ball. It be
Speaker 1: games to wed nigga. We're getting in the game and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk, niggas. Do we get flags for it?
Speaker 1: Do we get penalty? Still? You do? Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: penalties for it, but sometimes you don't. But check this out.
Speaker 1: This is what the girl had to say about. This
Speaker 1: is what Reeks had to say all year. I was
Speaker 1: critiqued for who I was. I don't fit the narrative.
Speaker 1: I don't fit the box that y'all want me to
Speaker 1: be in. I'm too hood, I'm too get on. Y'all
Speaker 1: told me that all year, but when other people do
Speaker 1: it and y'all don't say nothing. So this is for
Speaker 1: the girls that look like me, for those that want
Speaker 1: to speak up for what they believe in. It's unapologetically you.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did it for a last night.
Speaker 1: It was bigger than me tonight and Twitter is going
Speaker 1: to go in the rage every time. And I'm happy.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've help grow women's basketball this year.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to celebrating then next season. We all
Speaker 1: don't fit the the we all don't fit the stereotype
Speaker 1: of what we're supposed to be. You're getting me, Um,
Speaker 1: you playing for lsu Iowa? Are you playing for Georgetown?
Speaker 1: Do you see it? Whoever you're supposed to fit a
Speaker 1: certain criteria is what they feel right looking at how
Speaker 1: much drama my girl got the truck girl? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you get me. You see when we look different and
Speaker 1: we come from our element, it's who I am, even
Speaker 1: with the Well, I'm gonna tell you this and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna put it out there right because obviously you
Speaker 1: know it's it's a business, right, But um, they tell
Speaker 1: these kids man, black kids. Um, you know, and this
Speaker 1: is advice to all you young men out there that
Speaker 1: maybe playing college football or basketball. Those white recruiters that
Speaker 1: come and sit on your couch, they don't understand you.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, they don't understand you. They're there
Speaker 1: to win games, they don't they and a lot of
Speaker 1: places they may not even like you. I'm gonna tell you, man,
Speaker 1: I've heard stuff, you know. I've heard white coaches called
Speaker 1: kids thugs till NFL scouts, he's a thug. So if
Speaker 1: you got tattoos on earrings, whatever, they go say you
Speaker 1: a thug, they call you a game banger. They all
Speaker 1: any stereotype you can imagine. They have to perpet you waiting,
Speaker 1: but it ain't a problem as long as you're bawling
Speaker 1: for them. While you bawling for him. Oh he's a
Speaker 1: great kid, this and that. But behind your back when
Speaker 1: the NFL comes, you know, he's a thug. He's not
Speaker 1: a team player. He taunts people. He's this, he's that.
Speaker 1: You don't fit that poster of what they want your
Speaker 1: the image of their school, their college, their team. To me,
Speaker 1: even though you're bawling like a motherfucker, you get me,
Speaker 1: And like I said, like you said, I won't mention
Speaker 1: no names, but I kind of sort of similar saw that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying in my in a situation
Speaker 1: where kid bawling like a motherfucker, undeniable. But this kid
Speaker 1: don't fit what they like, especially in that quarterback position
Speaker 1: they want them. The kid did not fit what. The
Speaker 1: kid got tattoos and you know, he's celebrating after after
Speaker 1: touchdowns and you know, and it was cool when when
Speaker 1: they didn't when they didn't have another quarterback. You get me.
Speaker 1: The kid was out there bawling and winning games and
Speaker 1: beating motherfuckers that they ain't beating a hundred years. You
Speaker 1: get me. But then soon as somebody else comes along
Speaker 1: that fits that criteria, the poster boy of what we
Speaker 1: want our ship to be, then it's like, oh what'
Speaker 1: soun We really don't need you. Oh they want you
Speaker 1: to play another position exactly. They try to switch you up,
Speaker 1: They try to change you. So it's a lot of
Speaker 1: that that goes on. Look at the kid that's coming
Speaker 1: out of Alabama now, shout out to brace young right.
Speaker 1: You know, my son played against him all in high school.
Speaker 1: He has always been an elite competitor man, Right, he
Speaker 1: knows how to win games. He's gonna believe it all
Speaker 1: in the line. We beat him, he's beat us. You know,
Speaker 1: my son went to Saint John Boska, Right, you see
Speaker 1: all the criticism they got about him. Now, now this
Speaker 1: man that went out there and one, this young man
Speaker 1: is one out the one countless games and it's proved
Speaker 1: that he can stand the punishment with the elite level
Speaker 1: of competition. Right, he's up there. You know, he's proving
Speaker 1: himself already he can go play with anybody in the world.
Speaker 1: But now he's too short. He's not he's not fitting
Speaker 1: with our stereotype of a quarterback should be. And give
Speaker 1: a fuck that this that he balling like a motherfucker
Speaker 1: and he winning games and he you get me Heisman Trophy,
Speaker 1: all that type of ship. But that doesn't matter to
Speaker 1: the motherfucker who's ninety years old, who's sitting up in
Speaker 1: his motherfucking office with that tight ass suit on, and
Speaker 1: motherfucker going, well, we should have a quarterback that's six
Speaker 1: foot six and can stand in the pocket. And you
Speaker 1: know he's an All American apple pie hot dog eating motherfucker.
Speaker 1: That's who they fucking figure who should be? And times
Speaker 1: are changing? Yeah, because you got to adapt to the
Speaker 1: times and ship you know. But let's let's look at
Speaker 1: the facts. Right. The kid never got not one bit
Speaker 1: of trouble, No, not one bit of trouble, been flawless
Speaker 1: all from high school. Now, cool kid, man, I know
Speaker 1: Bryson Young and his family. Cool kid, right, kid? Right?
Speaker 1: Who kid? Really humble? Right, He's never been no trouble dog.
Speaker 1: He wins games, which is most important. He wins James.
Speaker 1: He's the ultimate competitor. How many times if you've seen
Speaker 1: him tuck that and put his shoulders down and go
Speaker 1: get the first down. He's the ultimate competitor. He has
Speaker 1: a high football IQ. So any bit of criticism that
Speaker 1: they have for him, it's almost like they couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to start unloading on this kid because he doesn't fit
Speaker 1: the narrative that he's not six foot six, blue wide
Speaker 1: with blind here flowing over his shoulders, and that's what
Speaker 1: they want. When Trevor Lawrence came out, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: them people up in the football the games was up
Speaker 1: there ejaculating. It was probably masturbating. There was probably masturbating.
Speaker 1: We have a golden boy back, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: not a Patrick Beholds and it's not a fucking Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurt or the bar Jackson, Yeah for sure. Or it's
Speaker 1: not a nigger quarterback. Do you feel because we always
Speaker 1: too short, we don't never have enough pocket presence? Oh
Speaker 1: our question? Its arms train? Or what about his intelligence?
Speaker 1: Can he read the defenses in the next the next level? Man?
Speaker 1: All this shiit is some bullshit dog And when you
Speaker 1: see it and it's already he bedn't proven. It's just
Speaker 1: an obstacle that they want to set ahead because they
Speaker 1: want to devalue you. Yeah, and when you go to
Speaker 1: devalue you, so I pull you down. So I really
Speaker 1: ain't got to pay you what you should be getting exactly.
Speaker 1: Check this out when you go to the NFL, combine, dude.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I don't have nothing against
Speaker 1: the NFL. The NFL is a great league and changes
Speaker 1: countless keys lives every year. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that don't pull their family, they don't broke generational curses
Speaker 1: because of the NFL and NBA. So it's a blessing
Speaker 1: to be able to make it. But you do have
Speaker 1: to kind of look at it when you go to
Speaker 1: the NFL combine, dude, it is all serious business. Dude,
Speaker 1: it's no joke down. There's cold. First of all, as
Speaker 1: soon as you get off the plane, you're going to work.
Speaker 1: People poking and proude next you, pulling you, asking you questions.
Speaker 1: So just imagine going on the interview, dog. You know,
Speaker 1: the normal job interview. You may go sit down with
Speaker 1: somebody for thirty forty five minutes, maybe an hour, depending
Speaker 1: on the fewer. You know, you're going for a corporate position,
Speaker 1: and maybe you go have you know, maybe two more
Speaker 1: for interviews that day as you move on. But it's
Speaker 1: like the ultimate job interview. So just imagine you being
Speaker 1: a twenty one, twenty two year old kid. Right, You're
Speaker 1: going in there, man, people asking you all kind of questions.
Speaker 1: And it used to be real bad. They asked one
Speaker 1: motherfucker if his mama was a prostitute before. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna poking for like you said, they're gonna
Speaker 1: dig and dig because they just they want to find
Speaker 1: something that's gonna, you know, that's gonna devalue you because
Speaker 1: if they can get you at a cheaper price. Hell
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, that's what it's about. Yeah, for sure, all
Speaker 1: the time when devalue you shit. So we've still got
Speaker 1: a lot of disappearing though. We still got a lot
Speaker 1: of racism going on in America. Man. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: jump over to some other stuff. Just a gamester the chronicles,
Speaker 1: but gamesters watch football, gamesters watched basketball. It ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be all about murderers murderous and the feelings and shit
Speaker 1: every weekend when people feel like you know, when when
Speaker 1: you saying gangster chronicles like and then you know, um,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to show people that situations from waking
Speaker 1: like I grew up in Conklin, hood gang bang did
Speaker 1: all that shit. But you know, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to show that you can advance from that and
Speaker 1: be intelligent and speak on other shit besides who got
Speaker 1: killed last night exactly dope? And who raided and what
Speaker 1: hood rat is cheating on? What other nigga and whatever
Speaker 1: and so and so. So we try to we try
Speaker 1: to show people that, you know, we go diversify a
Speaker 1: little bit, man, because you know, we can't talk about
Speaker 1: the same shit all the time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Johnny got shot yesterday and then next week. Oh so
Speaker 1: and so got busted. And then you know, people get
Speaker 1: tired of, you know, of dealing with with with with bullshit.
Speaker 1: He everybody know the poverty situations and neighborhood situations, and
Speaker 1: we still deal with that. Some are some of our
Speaker 1: guests are still tired and to the neighborhoods and still
Speaker 1: have to deal with the repercussions of that. But then,
Speaker 1: like you said, we got to show motherfucker's that Niggason
Speaker 1: can also advance beyond that. You know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to this thing with gunner Man, you know, gonna just
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that everybody's saying he snicks he
Speaker 1: told right, you know, he told whatever about that. But
Speaker 1: this kid, bad man Kiva. I guess he gave Gunna
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a feature, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been seeing that. You know, he gave him two
Speaker 1: fifty four a feature. And I guess that the dude
Speaker 1: don't want to there and you know, spill the beans,
Speaker 1: don't rather than all that shit. Dude is like, the
Speaker 1: feature ain't worth nothing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, why would I want that feature? Now? So
Speaker 1: I need my bread back. Now he's asking for five
Speaker 1: million dollars. He don't want two fifty years from five million.
Speaker 1: I guess for his time he don't wasted and everything else,
Speaker 1: which y'all think is a little bit absurd. He should
Speaker 1: get his money back though, Um, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I was gun, I probably wouldn't give hm shit back. Um,
Speaker 1: you paid before a verse. I gave you the verse,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to use it. So how is
Speaker 1: that you know? Now? I could see if you gave
Speaker 1: him the money he never did the verse, he went
Speaker 1: got locked up, situation went down. Now you feel like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want that verse no more. Then
Speaker 1: I could see you going for your money back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before me, and that was kind of ridiculous. If a
Speaker 1: nigga paid and then a nigga turned you the verse
Speaker 1: in and before you released it, you went through this,
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can get your money back
Speaker 1: because you just record labels do it all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go give a nigga some money for a project,
Speaker 1: and then he turned the project in and we go, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna shelf this motherfucker. They don't turn around and
Speaker 1: go to the nigga and go, okay, give us our money.
Speaker 1: But they write that shit off. Yeah, you can't do that,
Speaker 1: and you can't put that album out even though they
Speaker 1: ain't using it. It's not like they give it to
Speaker 1: you and say, well, you're free to do it yourself. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's ours, we paid you for it. We don't like
Speaker 1: the motherfucker. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna
Speaker 1: shelf the motherfucker. We're just gonna put it on the
Speaker 1: shelf and it's gonna stay there and you fuck around
Speaker 1: and get hot. One day they might run and slip
Speaker 1: that motherfuck up sid sell it to a motherfucker, license
Speaker 1: it to somebody. But you know that's what you you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's the business man. Yeah, I gotta get mom.
Speaker 1: I gotta start getting back more than out because I've
Speaker 1: never heard of bad Man Kiva. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: these you know, I ain't never said a lot of
Speaker 1: these new artists school. You know, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: these new artists. You know, Well, this is what he
Speaker 1: see it. He said, I paid gonna last hit for
Speaker 1: a feature, and months later he gotta kind of kind
Speaker 1: of case which put my feature and everything else on
Speaker 1: hold just for him to get released a snicks. I
Speaker 1: can't do a song with dude. I need my bread
Speaker 1: back a SAP And if they kept, I'm going a
Speaker 1: big lawsuit, he said, I'm going big lawsuit. He said,
Speaker 1: he's suing him, and you know what my thing is, Like,
Speaker 1: like I just said, again, he paid. So apparently he
Speaker 1: never got the verse because like he said, he paid,
Speaker 1: and then he got caught up in the case and
Speaker 1: got incarcerated. So then once he got out, he's known
Speaker 1: as a snitch. So now he's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: the verse anymore because it's not gonna benefit me, and
Speaker 1: because of the fact that I invested in this verse,
Speaker 1: because you know, this is the results of what I
Speaker 1: thought was gonna happen from this particular song. I need
Speaker 1: five million now, because you know, that's just like a
Speaker 1: prediction of what I thought the sales was gonna be
Speaker 1: or what I thought the song was gonna do. So
Speaker 1: now that you have a bad name as a snitch,
Speaker 1: basically nobody's gonna buy this record or listen to it
Speaker 1: or play it. So I'm thinking for from from the
Speaker 1: progress of the sales and from whatever it could have
Speaker 1: been generated from the song I'm looking at five million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, man, um, that's what I think. If
Speaker 1: I was gonna out till dude to go fuck yourself seriously,
Speaker 1: because you can't come back and ask no motherfucker for
Speaker 1: bread after the fact, just like you said, butter things
Speaker 1: on how you feel about it. Yet you could be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I give you the verse, but I ain't given the
Speaker 1: money back you paid for the verse. Show he'd go
Speaker 1: the verse. If the dude turned around and go, I
Speaker 1: don't want the verse. I mean it's it's a tricky situation.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would have to go to law, you
Speaker 1: would have to get you would have to see a nigga,
Speaker 1: you would have to because other than that, then it's
Speaker 1: gonna go down the street shit. And who wants to
Speaker 1: get caught up in some street shit over a verse?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's real. Well I'll tell you who was willing
Speaker 1: to get caught up in some street shit. The homie
Speaker 1: Dads he just sat on he was on the Homeboys,
Speaker 1: showed Chuck disl Homegrown Radio shout out to them Digital
Speaker 1: soapbox family, and he said he strong arms should and
Speaker 1: to give them two and a half million dollars. He
Speaker 1: said he was high on mushrooms and up on that
Speaker 1: motherfucker with a screwdriver walked up and always with a screwdriver.
Speaker 1: Had everybody offers him up and should cut him a
Speaker 1: check for two and a half million dollars. So what
Speaker 1: gets Dad said, I'm gonna get mine. I mean something.
Speaker 1: I mean you though, depending on what life you come from.
Speaker 1: I mean shit, everybody's had that, uh that that situation
Speaker 1: to where they failed. They had to you know, over
Speaker 1: had to run up in the label. M I've never
Speaker 1: had to run up in the label, but I've had
Speaker 1: my confrontations with labels to where I've had to go
Speaker 1: take my master's back and put them on lockdown until
Speaker 1: they gave me my bread. Yeah, or is that right?
Speaker 1: So he was on some strong arms ship. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm playing horridball with your motherfucker's ship. Motherfucker old me
Speaker 1: some money. I turned the record in. They said the
Speaker 1: budget was gone because somebody had took the money. Shaw.
Speaker 1: I ran up to Bernie Grugman's and before they could
Speaker 1: take the record, I walked back in there and I
Speaker 1: snatched the masters. Let me ask you this, that that
Speaker 1: person that got the money ever call you about it. No,
Speaker 1: but I dealt with the label directly and they ended
Speaker 1: up cutting me a check for the masters. They was
Speaker 1: pretty mad about that shit with I'm pretty sure, but
Speaker 1: you know it's it's what happened, sneaky shit, you know what.
Speaker 1: That's the worst feeling in the world. We had a
Speaker 1: similar situation have with Glasses right to where we're shooting
Speaker 1: a video on the Lanta, were shooting Haters video right
Speaker 1: and you know you got a budget there. You know
Speaker 1: how much money you got. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You think you got a budget, got it? But you
Speaker 1: go there and they tell you what, No, this was
Speaker 1: cut to this person, and this was cut to that person.
Speaker 1: The money ain't there no more? You like, what the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was those days where um with niggas would hook
Speaker 1: you up or whatever, and they just felt like they
Speaker 1: were entitled to whatever your budget was. So if a
Speaker 1: nigga hooked you up with a label or a deal
Speaker 1: and and they tell you it's it's worth two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand, niggas will start calling up to the
Speaker 1: label and being like, yeah, send me fifty, send me thirty,
Speaker 1: send me forty, And then you go up there and
Speaker 1: be thinking you're gonna get money to finish your record,
Speaker 1: to finish your project, and motherfuckers start telling you all, no,
Speaker 1: you know, we gave twenty thousand the so and so,
Speaker 1: we gave thirty thousand the sow and so and and
Speaker 1: then it just be out of the blue like, okay,
Speaker 1: but who authorized that? Yeah, it's my fucking deal, right,
Speaker 1: And they look at it like, well, so and so
Speaker 1: walked you in the door. So and so is the
Speaker 1: one that got you the deal. So when they called
Speaker 1: and they said they needed forty thousand, not your budget,
Speaker 1: we just cut them a check. So that was the
Speaker 1: that was. That was the relationships that some dudes had
Speaker 1: with well you know yeah, because they were um, I
Speaker 1: guess they were the sub label. Yeah, yeah, they were
Speaker 1: the sub label. So a lot of people, especially back
Speaker 1: during the nineties, they were giving cats these pretty much
Speaker 1: these production company deals to where they got a production deal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can, we give your three four album production deal.
Speaker 1: You can bring in two three different artists and would
Speaker 1: give you a budget for every artist. But then when
Speaker 1: that money hit the table, niggas be like, oh, so
Speaker 1: and so got one hundred and twenty five, and it
Speaker 1: could have been it could have been good situations they
Speaker 1: had people done because I knew a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: cats to have those type of deals that really could
Speaker 1: have made a lot of money had they just really
Speaker 1: done it right. By the projects. A lot of niggas
Speaker 1: was from the hoods and from the streets, and like
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of niggas weren't business savvy. Like
Speaker 1: like some dudes who you see who were successful with
Speaker 1: their labels, some dudes looked at it as a money grab.
Speaker 1: You give me if I can go out here and
Speaker 1: I can't give me a production deal for three albums
Speaker 1: for three different groups at three albums apiece, that's about
Speaker 1: a million and some dollars sitting on the table. It
Speaker 1: goes from, if we do this shit right, everybody could
Speaker 1: be too successful. The label could be here. But it
Speaker 1: started going to I don't know what I take it as.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I take it as jealousy or whatever. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I used to tell niggas all
Speaker 1: the time, niggas who signed you really don't want you
Speaker 1: to succeed. You get me, especially if you're going through
Speaker 1: the subdivision label shit. A lot of niggas aren't gonna
Speaker 1: let you reach that status as them you get me.
Speaker 1: So that's when you start noticing, shit, my budget ain't
Speaker 1: as much as this, or I'm not getting this, or
Speaker 1: I'm not getting there because some niggas forget like this
Speaker 1: is about the label you give me. We're trying to
Speaker 1: make the label successful. We want to be a sony
Speaker 1: or a deaf jail m or whatever. But some niggas
Speaker 1: can't do that. Man. People they see that fucking money
Speaker 1: hit the table and they go, you know, you should
Speaker 1: give ex supposed to get this? Why I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: get this and Z supposed to get that, And niggas
Speaker 1: start going, I'm gonna take from them, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: from them. And this is situation man, pretty much similar
Speaker 1: to what you know, what the podcast people are doing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Right, and this is what people
Speaker 1: don't understand. I have no I have no problem with
Speaker 1: saying that you are a way bigger celebrity than me. Right,
Speaker 1: you have more popularity than me. What sense would it
Speaker 1: make for you to find out later on? Because you're
Speaker 1: gonna find out that. Oh man, still wind it picked
Speaker 1: up four hundred thousand dollars and only gave me. You know,
Speaker 1: wimpthy wham, you're gonna be fished off. You canna feel
Speaker 1: some kind of way more than likely our partnership go
Speaker 1: in definitely. So my thing is this, No, I'll do
Speaker 1: the right thing. We get this, hey here, you'll have
Speaker 1: my nigga. This is who we got boom definitely, and
Speaker 1: you play fair by stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So with the hope so we can continue making more
Speaker 1: money instead of hitting the liqu right now. Niggas don't
Speaker 1: look at it like that, which is unfortunate. Some dudes
Speaker 1: will tell you that shit and like I said, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it all covers down and
Speaker 1: when that check hits the table and you'll be ya.
Speaker 1: You'll be talking and talking and be like, oh man,
Speaker 1: they Finnat give us half a million and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get two fifty. You're gonna get two fifty and wooty
Speaker 1: woomb And then next thing you know, that check hit
Speaker 1: the table and niggas start going and you ain't got
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, ain't seen from motherfucker would be like, shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, well, I could really take this and do
Speaker 1: this and then tip this and blop blop blop and
Speaker 1: I can give him that and wooty womb, which ain't
Speaker 1: the smart play man, because like I said, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be the smart play, because the smart play should be
Speaker 1: if everything stays on the up and up, you'll see
Speaker 1: how successful and far this shit goes. A lot of
Speaker 1: shit falls apart when somebody start going I think I
Speaker 1: should get more than the next, and people start looking
Speaker 1: at it with a lick mentality instead of a business mentality.
Speaker 1: That's why it's like, you know what, we got this
Speaker 1: in Hey, hey, we got this money in here. Who yours?
Speaker 1: They're gonna mine? And you know that's that's the way
Speaker 1: it should be. Because what happens when this happened, because
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. What happens when you on a
Speaker 1: business call and we gotta go talk to the people
Speaker 1: together or something like that, and they're telling you all
Speaker 1: this stuff. You're looking like that's news to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. We don't made We don't made
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars and we He's seen them, though.
Speaker 1: You go through situations like that. I've had that happened
Speaker 1: to me a few times. You get me dealing with
Speaker 1: a fucked up lawyer or crooked whatever. And then you
Speaker 1: get on the phone with the label and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, they get to telling you or we sent
Speaker 1: out a check for fifteen, and we sent out a
Speaker 1: check for three. You know, we sent out a check
Speaker 1: for seven, and they're looking at you like you're the
Speaker 1: one spending all this money. And I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: motherfucker like, well when did that check come in? Because
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. And then and then it's really
Speaker 1: worse when they send you a breakdown and sending you
Speaker 1: a motherfucking facts and and then there's all the copies
Speaker 1: of the checks that he asked you something. I know
Speaker 1: you gonna be politically correct, as you don't like putting
Speaker 1: people on blast. Who was the most shysty what's the
Speaker 1: most shisty? Um? I can't even call them record labels?
Speaker 1: But executive you worked upon? The ghetto execut Who who
Speaker 1: was the most shicey ghetto execut you ever worked for?
Speaker 1: I had to be honest, The most shisty person I've
Speaker 1: ever dealt with as far as in business was my attorney.
Speaker 1: Your attorney what was his name was? John Smith? That
Speaker 1: was the dude that got you caught up in the
Speaker 1: ship that wound up turning all the UM wound up
Speaker 1: telling the dude there was a drug deal or whatever
Speaker 1: that was. That was the situation that happened with UM,
Speaker 1: with the Chicago shit and uh me happen to go
Speaker 1: in front of a grand jury and say that I
Speaker 1: got paid for doing a movie. That's some crazy ass
Speaker 1: shit he got. So he got because you know the
Speaker 1: thing is if you never they never, Like I said,
Speaker 1: they never asked me any questions about, um, what dude
Speaker 1: did or whatever whatever. They just asked me that I
Speaker 1: get paid to do a movie. And I asked, what
Speaker 1: a lot the text people would have been coming for
Speaker 1: your ass and everything else. My lawyer, he was, you know,
Speaker 1: he was in He was in the h He was
Speaker 1: in the ship with them, which I found out later on.
Speaker 1: But he really had a lot of personal dealings with them,
Speaker 1: so UM, if anything he told because he knew a
Speaker 1: lot of their inner workings. I didn't know shit. I
Speaker 1: met them because I did ad Minutes to Society and
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a movie in shy Town and
Speaker 1: just at the time, Minutes was the ship. It was
Speaker 1: the popular movie. So of course they gonna go after
Speaker 1: you know who, they feel fits the criteria. I was
Speaker 1: known for coming to Chicago a lot. I had a
Speaker 1: lot of people that I dealt with in Chicago as
Speaker 1: far as street niggas and just you know, concerts and
Speaker 1: shows and just being there. So it's crazy. So he
Speaker 1: so he was worse than No. Known. Yeah, damn, that's
Speaker 1: seeing the luckers. Unknown was doing some shit. Known was
Speaker 1: aknown what it's like. I say this, when you come
Speaker 1: into this business, I don't give fuck who you are.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fucked. I don't care. You're gonna get fucked.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be somebody who walked you through the door
Speaker 1: who's basically gonna have their hand in your pocket as
Speaker 1: they walking you through the door. Okay, So that was Unknown.
Speaker 1: He was a typical you know, I'm a young I'm
Speaker 1: a young nigga. I'm seventeen years old, game banging and
Speaker 1: ship writing raps about the hood. And Unknown saw it
Speaker 1: as there's there's my shot, you get me. So he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything though he walked us in the door.
Speaker 1: I mean, my nigga slipped did all the beats. I
Speaker 1: wrote all the raps. Anne walked us in the door,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I was unintelligent when it came to business.
Speaker 1: You was a kid, I was a hood nigga. I
Speaker 1: didn't know nothing about nigga. I knew crack pieces and
Speaker 1: and and guns and fighting at school and shit like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about no business world and publishing
Speaker 1: and you get me. So Unknome took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: He was able to go in and get budgets and
Speaker 1: pay us what he felt we deserved as young knucklehead
Speaker 1: niggas running around the neighborhood. So that's what happened from there.
Speaker 1: John was a motherfucker who knew the struggles I had
Speaker 1: came through with dealing with a motherfucker like that, and
Speaker 1: he still decided to steal money. Fuck it. So you
Speaker 1: found out he was actually taking money too. I had
Speaker 1: to go to court for some shit, and then they
Speaker 1: broke out all the checks that he was cashing and
Speaker 1: I had no idea about. So he had an attorney
Speaker 1: client privilege account, so he could take checks that were
Speaker 1: from me, depositim into his attorney client up account and
Speaker 1: they would cash him and he would keep the money.
Speaker 1: So when I went to court on some shit and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't got that much money.
Speaker 1: I didn't make that woompy woop. They said, bullshit, because
Speaker 1: here's a copy of all the checks you received this year,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking like, nigga, it was shit like totaling
Speaker 1: a hundred grand, I'm like, I ain't seeing that shitning.
Speaker 1: I'm over here struggling as a young artist, and you
Speaker 1: up here in this office just taking advantage of young
Speaker 1: street niggas because that's what the game was. Niggas didn't
Speaker 1: look out for each other. Niggas felt like, fucking if
Speaker 1: I could fuck you, I'm gonna fuck you. And that's
Speaker 1: so so. This motherfucker how much money would you say
Speaker 1: he stole? It probably stole over one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: two hundred grand. That's a lot of money. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: year we're talking about that? This was the nineties. Was
Speaker 1: in the nineties, like the bid nineties when you know,
Speaker 1: when when you know, if you wasn't a motherfucking doctor
Speaker 1: Dre or jay Z or whatever, you was a struggling
Speaker 1: artist because we weren't making money like niggas are today.
Speaker 1: You see niggas a streaming and doing all kinds of
Speaker 1: shit that wasn't happening back then. So if you was
Speaker 1: getting little publishing checks every two to three months, you
Speaker 1: depended on that shit. But niggas felt like, fuck that ship,
Speaker 1: nigga don't deserve what's that check for seventeen hundred, I'm
Speaker 1: keeping that? What's that a check for twenty five hundred,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping that? You get me why you all trying
Speaker 1: to figure out why you ain't making no So he
Speaker 1: got you paining him so on top because I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure the on top of that, every time I got
Speaker 1: a check that I knew about, he would take a
Speaker 1: percentage of Yeah, he'd take a percentage of being your lawyer,
Speaker 1: because that's our most lawyer's work is that's a our
Speaker 1: attorney for the show work. You know, he's a part
Speaker 1: of all our des about it is at the motherfucking
Speaker 1: when the nigga gut busted still in the checks and
Speaker 1: I found out the checks the next day, the nigga
Speaker 1: sent me a bill saying, this is why he took
Speaker 1: the money because I owed him for all his lawyer
Speaker 1: work after he was taking money out of his stuff,
Speaker 1: so he make money from the gate and after the
Speaker 1: courts found the money and showed me he was taking
Speaker 1: the money. He ran home the next day and he
Speaker 1: conjured up a bill for all in checks and sent
Speaker 1: it to me and said, oh, this is why the
Speaker 1: money was taking. So he had a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Was the day that I stopped working with him and
Speaker 1: never talked to him again. So he didn't get locked
Speaker 1: up about that ship in Chicago. No, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened to him, but the ship to Chicago. Because
Speaker 1: we separated after that, we had to is this dude
Speaker 1: stealing business? No. I've been talked to John and probably
Speaker 1: over twenty years, his son who used to fuck with
Speaker 1: you know, he used to be my road manager. I
Speaker 1: just started communicating with him on a low basis through
Speaker 1: Chill because he was fucked with Chill a little bit.
Speaker 1: Chill hollers at him, so we started, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we be coming. Even Katie hit me up, Hey, eight,
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? I know, animosity, man, it's it's
Speaker 1: what happens man. Well yeah, and plus that was on
Speaker 1: his pumps. That wasn't it's what happens man. Like I said,
Speaker 1: if you ain't got fucked in this rap game, then
Speaker 1: something ain't right. Yeah, it's a lot of motherfucker's dog
Speaker 1: that died broke. Man. You know, I heard that, Um,
Speaker 1: what's my guys slash slash stone, I heard he's homeless. Man,
Speaker 1: all them big ass records they had, Man, this record
Speaker 1: still generated a lot of money. Man. The problem is that,
Speaker 1: you know, ownership of shit was very scarce, you know,
Speaker 1: especially some niggas were able to be successful at it.
Speaker 1: You know, master p you know, cash money, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was very hard for an artist
Speaker 1: to retain his masters and shit and get a proper
Speaker 1: deal from labels and shit. So even with the successful
Speaker 1: of a lot of records, motherfuckers wasn't getting to just
Speaker 1: do He was getting pennies on the dollar, you get me.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know about this shit you come
Speaker 1: from publishing, from writing music, whatever. Niggas is getting pennies
Speaker 1: on the fucking dollar. Man. It's different today to where
Speaker 1: you know, you could throw out a song and you
Speaker 1: could collect a ninety percent from it. You could throw
Speaker 1: out a record and it could stream a billion copies,
Speaker 1: you get me, It could stream a billion times and
Speaker 1: you reaping the rewards from that nowadays to some level.
Speaker 1: Back in my days, we didn't have that, so all
Speaker 1: we relied on was pure record sales. And if a
Speaker 1: motherfucker felt like you didn't deserve you, don't. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna put a million dollar budget into you. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna give you no million dollars videos. And seeing you
Speaker 1: here and have you all you was a typical rite
Speaker 1: off for a label. Get this nigga two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty grand, he gonna go out and sell about a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand records, maybe a one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 1: We're gonna write that shit off, and if we want
Speaker 1: to do it again, we maybe give another nigga another shot,
Speaker 1: and if not, we tell a nigga here. And when
Speaker 1: you think about it, back then, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand albums, you was generating some pretty good money
Speaker 1: for the label. Yeah, you was generated almost close to
Speaker 1: a million dollars. Yes, So that's why they funk around
Speaker 1: and be like, fucking we're giving nigga another shot. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: it ain't much. You know, we gave a nigga, what
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five grand we spent? What about
Speaker 1: we gave him two videos, spent about fifty a thousand
Speaker 1: a piece on the videos gave him some posters sent
Speaker 1: him on the promo tour. So at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, what we spent about half a million, Okay,
Speaker 1: this nigga gonna sell about two hundred thousand. He gonna
Speaker 1: generate almost over a million and a half back, so
Speaker 1: we'd have made our five hundred back. And they keep
Speaker 1: that up. They was they sharing the publishing? What you did?
Speaker 1: You have a publishing deal with them? I didn't get enough.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a publishing deal until I made my
Speaker 1: own publishing deal sew up. Until all that time, I know,
Speaker 1: one was just still in my publishing because, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm a younger hood nigga. I don't know about that shit.
Speaker 1: The what is publishing? You give me, nigga? I wrote
Speaker 1: the rapp and the record is out, nigga, give me
Speaker 1: my check. That's what That's what that motherfucker was. What
Speaker 1: was the turns? Named? John should have been on his
Speaker 1: ass to get that money, but he should have. But
Speaker 1: what happened was, um, I just wanted to be separated
Speaker 1: from the nigga. I wanted to be no longer tied
Speaker 1: to unknown in Big B and I wanted to start
Speaker 1: dealing with the label directly. So basically that's what they
Speaker 1: did because I said I wasn't gonna record. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna record anymore. Sony Who you know, Epic
Speaker 1: Who was like, we liked the gangster rap shit. You
Speaker 1: know it's making money. So do we want to lose
Speaker 1: MC eight. He just came off a third album, Music
Speaker 1: to Drive Bys doing hell of a good. He just
Speaker 1: came off a successful movie. You know, he's got the
Speaker 1: number one sound so single you know in the country.
Speaker 1: So do we wanna let him walk? No kick ann now,
Speaker 1: and let's deal with him directly. So they split them.
Speaker 1: They cut the budget in half. He was collecting about
Speaker 1: two fifty two sixty when I was going through him
Speaker 1: when they kicked him out, they cut my budget in half.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, so they So you're thinking, so you really
Speaker 1: wanted up losing money camera I did because they figured
Speaker 1: that I only needed about one hundred and sixty hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand when they was kicking up to
Speaker 1: fifty to sixty. But when I took over the deal,
Speaker 1: they cut the budget in half. Now do you think
Speaker 1: that if you would have king, because you could have
Speaker 1: been a free agent at that time, right, you could
Speaker 1: have went somewhere else, right, right? Did you think about
Speaker 1: telling them to go fuck themselves and go somewhere I
Speaker 1: already knew that, Like I said, I had what maybe
Speaker 1: when when I split with Unknown Um, I knew I
Speaker 1: had two albums left with Sony, I was ready to leave.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to be there because they
Speaker 1: didn't know how to deal with rap. Epic had never
Speaker 1: been successful with with with hip hop, never U. They
Speaker 1: were a pop label, Pearl Jam, Michael Jackson, char Day.
Speaker 1: They didn't know shit about rap. UM. So I was
Speaker 1: ready to leave. Um minutes was successful. I started getting
Speaker 1: little deals, you know, to produce here and near me
Speaker 1: and slipped so I would meet niggas. So I met
Speaker 1: my nigga, Craig Colman, and he offered me one of
Speaker 1: those production deals, and so I said, well, you would
Speaker 1: have been able to go on a sign. That's that's
Speaker 1: what a little birden hawk. And all the time I
Speaker 1: had a three album out of three basically artist production deal,
Speaker 1: and each artist got three albums. So I had nine
Speaker 1: albums on the table going through Big Beat Atlantic and
Speaker 1: on my last record, Ron Sweeney, who was running Epic
Speaker 1: at the Time offered me a new contract, but I
Speaker 1: didn't want to take it because I knew they was
Speaker 1: full of shit. Epic didn't know what to do with me,
Speaker 1: so I turned it down. I went back to Big
Speaker 1: Beat waiting to get started because I still had one
Speaker 1: more album with Epic. So when I turned in the
Speaker 1: last album, they came back with like a million point
Speaker 1: two for me to resign, and I said, okay, fuck it,
Speaker 1: even though the niggas don't know how to do no shit. Yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of money to have one point two in
Speaker 1: my pocket. So I went back to Big Beat and
Speaker 1: was like, since our deal don't start for another year,
Speaker 1: I won't out the deal because they wouldn't let me out.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me out unless I paid them a
Speaker 1: half a million. That was Craig Calm, Craig calmra just
Speaker 1: the scalless Mophe would not letting me out there. I
Speaker 1: hadn't tooken a dollar from Atlantic, from none of the albums,
Speaker 1: for none of the deals, none of that. And I
Speaker 1: tried to get out the deal and he and they
Speaker 1: wanted me to kick up a half a million to
Speaker 1: get out the deal. That's crazy as a motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: think the homey fiend was dealing nothink, that's who he
Speaker 1: was dealing with. Man. So I ended up turning the
Speaker 1: fucking epic money down to keep the fucking production deal
Speaker 1: with Atlantic, and come to find out they didn't even
Speaker 1: want to deal with us no more because that's when
Speaker 1: they started the band on gangster rap music, so they
Speaker 1: did not want to distribute anything related to street shit.
Speaker 1: So I basically got fucked. And so after that, the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's come back to me and told me, oh, I
Speaker 1: could go shop for a new deal if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: After they made me turn down to one point two
Speaker 1: and at one point too and on the table and
Speaker 1: almost gone. It was gone, And so I ended up
Speaker 1: basically had to go after Craig and got ready to
Speaker 1: suit him because they wouldn't honor the production deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to get all in your business, but you gotta
Speaker 1: resolve with him. I got, we settled for a little
Speaker 1: change and then I was able to walk. That was it.
Speaker 1: So the nine album deal was off the table. It
Speaker 1: was out the door, and it was like, oh, well
Speaker 1: you can go wherever you want to, and I'm like huh.
Speaker 1: So I had to basically fight them too for nail
Speaker 1: myself with no lawyer, none of that, and I had
Speaker 1: to call him and basically talk shit until they decided
Speaker 1: to cut me a check and let me go. That's
Speaker 1: fucked up, man. So you fucked around him, missed out
Speaker 1: on him. Were too big a deal. See you better
Speaker 1: than me, man, I'd have been one of those times.
Speaker 1: Well I've probably been. I was a young nigga back
Speaker 1: then too. I'd have been walking up in that office.
Speaker 1: I know you thought about it. I know you had
Speaker 1: to think about that. I was like, you know, at
Speaker 1: the time, I was just trying to figure out you know,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out what what what
Speaker 1: what was going on at this point, Like I said,
Speaker 1: it was like at the you know, the career at
Speaker 1: slowed down, you know, trying to figure out what the
Speaker 1: fuck was the next move. Didn't want to go back
Speaker 1: to street shit, you know show at the time, I
Speaker 1: just start getting into football, fuck it, you know, learning coaching,
Speaker 1: watching motherfucker's going to games, you know, just doing normal shit.
Speaker 1: I started trying to get into doing normal shit. And
Speaker 1: then once I had my son, you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck the music shit. Really. So you got this in France,
Speaker 1: as I think that happened all of us. I was
Speaker 1: bringing for a publishing company. I was an A and
Speaker 1: R from mind Or Music and UM. One of the
Speaker 1: things that they were trying to do, they were really
Speaker 1: trying to empower their son, which I'm not mad at
Speaker 1: this day. Kids, you know what I mean. And he
Speaker 1: was a cool kid. It was actually pretty cool people.
Speaker 1: Like when I think back on it, when you're young,
Speaker 1: you kind of think a little different. But they was
Speaker 1: actually pretty decent people, man, now that I think about
Speaker 1: They paid me everything I was. But I think I
Speaker 1: got disenfranchised with the music business because I real lives
Speaker 1: as A and R. I had a pin with no ink, right.
Speaker 1: I ran across too much talent that I wanted to
Speaker 1: mess with it, and I was always getting told Noah
Speaker 1: every turn. The one kid they let me sign, we
Speaker 1: wound up putting out a goal to play actually platinum record.
Speaker 1: We wound up doing an ice cream painting job record
Speaker 1: for Droll and that went platinum up. But we had
Speaker 1: so many opportunities people we could have signed. Man, they
Speaker 1: passed on Tde. That's the one biggest regret I got.
Speaker 1: You know, I brought UM. I was talking to my
Speaker 1: Boytop at the time, right Top wanted to do a
Speaker 1: publishing deal to put some money in them kid's pockets. Right,
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, if we can go up and get
Speaker 1: X amount of dollars, won't they won't we would do
Speaker 1: a thing. I go to them, They're looking at me
Speaker 1: like I'm fifteen carre crazy. Man. They look at me
Speaker 1: like you don't know what the hell you're talking about. No,
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this because they were really
Speaker 1: big on analytics, right, you know it was big on analytics. Well,
Speaker 1: they don't have nothing going on, you know this, man,
Speaker 1: none of that analytic ship, that ship that they algorithms
Speaker 1: and analytics to be happening. And this was right before
Speaker 1: I think they was about to release Section eighty. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: that was Kendrick's first album. Right, They had already had
Speaker 1: Jay Jay Rock was over at Warner Brothers. They had
Speaker 1: Kendrick and you know, TD was still fairly knew at
Speaker 1: the time. But they was bubbling though, right And I
Speaker 1: believed in them so much because I was around topping
Speaker 1: them every day, you punching all of them. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: these dudes gonna be the hottest dudes, not just the city,
Speaker 1: probably the country because I saw how they were developing.
Speaker 1: They really got a grasp on the internet. That was
Speaker 1: when the internet first started, just like start popping. And
Speaker 1: I saw them, I said, you know what, and I
Speaker 1: knew even back then, I knew the Kate I was
Speaker 1: gonna be a star. I said, this little dude is dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, He's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: the greatest. You know what I mean. Jay Rock was
Speaker 1: hard schoolboyque. They just had a roster full of talent,
Speaker 1: and I knew, and at that time, for what they had,
Speaker 1: Top wasn't asking for a whole bunch of money. It
Speaker 1: wasn't none of ridiculous. He just wanted one of them deals. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me get some money for these dudes pockets. Right.
Speaker 1: Had we done that deal, man, that deal would have
Speaker 1: wound up paying off twenty fold, Dog twenty fold. You
Speaker 1: talked about giving them motherfuck a half million dollars. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be later on, probably worth closer to a billion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, man, they turned that situation down. I was
Speaker 1: more mad about that than anything else because I brought them.
Speaker 1: I brought Fingers in there, Producer Fingers. He was my homeboy.
Speaker 1: He was doing a lot of the Chicano rap stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. He had leaning like a Cholo, which was
Speaker 1: turned out to be a platinum record, so he did
Speaker 1: a little rob Summer Night. So he had all these
Speaker 1: records that he did. He just made sense that had
Speaker 1: they listened to me, dog, I would have probably wound
Speaker 1: up being in that you know that I should always
Speaker 1: look at that source power thirty ship, I would have
Speaker 1: probably wound up being one of the most powerful dudes
Speaker 1: in the music business. But instead they were saying note everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you know when they got them old traditions. Man,
Speaker 1: they don't know, you know, how to discover shit. They
Speaker 1: just like to sit back and watch the old wheel
Speaker 1: turn and don't want to invest in the new vision.
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of niggas get, you know,
Speaker 1: fall fall, you know behind, because you be having all
Speaker 1: these ideas and all this shit that you know, I
Speaker 1: see the vision. A lot of motherfuckers don't see your vision.
Speaker 1: And that's what happens a lot with this business. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta really get motherfuckers who believe in your talent
Speaker 1: or whatever it is you're trying to do, because like
Speaker 1: I said, motherfucker's to take advantage of you, and they
Speaker 1: either want to fuck you and steal from you or
Speaker 1: they don't believe in you. So a lot of niggas
Speaker 1: had to go out to start doing shit on their
Speaker 1: own to prove to motherfucker's Yeah, I got tired though.
Speaker 1: You know, you said you went to the regular life,
Speaker 1: so you figure, man, I had a job, man, And
Speaker 1: like I said, they wasn't bad people, don't. They just
Speaker 1: didn't let me do my job. They let me do
Speaker 1: my job because one thing I will tell you the
Speaker 1: lady the wife, because they were divorced. It was funny
Speaker 1: they were divorced, but they still worked together and did
Speaker 1: everything together, right, So the lady was cool. Man. She
Speaker 1: pretty much gave me her credit card when we opened
Speaker 1: up the office in LA because when they came to
Speaker 1: me with the plan they they were they were based
Speaker 1: in England. They were UK based publishing company, right, so
Speaker 1: their whole plan was the expand of the United States.
Speaker 1: So we went and got us fresh. They got us
Speaker 1: dope office man on Sunset Boulevard, and you know, the
Speaker 1: guitar center was down the street. She pretty much gave
Speaker 1: me a card and said go get what you need
Speaker 1: for the studio. But what's my budget? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, well, you like I'm thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: five ten thousand dollars we get a little set up,
Speaker 1: pre production set up. She like, no go spending stuff.
Speaker 1: They spent seventy five thousand without batting the eye. That
Speaker 1: was when the pro tools AGD just came out. We
Speaker 1: had live skinting there. Dog. We had everything right. And
Speaker 1: she got it, man, she was with it. She was
Speaker 1: with the bullshit, you know what I mean? She got it, man.
Speaker 1: But her husband was just always knowing everything. But he
Speaker 1: was a smart dude, and I learned a lot from him.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying because he was one of
Speaker 1: them dudes. And I asked him one day, Man, do
Speaker 1: you regret not letting me sign people? He said, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't have him before and I ain't got him now,
Speaker 1: so no, yeah, you know what I'm saying before, I
Speaker 1: don't have them now, so I don't regret anything. So
Speaker 1: he wasn't tripping, but he wound up coming up because
Speaker 1: I believe they wound up. They wound up selling a
Speaker 1: portion of their catalog. Dog. I think it might have
Speaker 1: been Sony or somebody like that. So they wound up
Speaker 1: and they gave him a job to on top of
Speaker 1: so he wound up negotiating a good thing. Man. But
Speaker 1: they was good people though, man, And I think at
Speaker 1: the time I was pissed off at them because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me do certain things, you know, But looking
Speaker 1: back on it now all to probably handle things way
Speaker 1: more different. Yeah, some people just they just don't want
Speaker 1: to reneag that power you get some people you get
Speaker 1: to trust you, and then some people just don't want
Speaker 1: to reneak. So it is what it is when it
Speaker 1: comes to the business. Like I said, if you've been
Speaker 1: in here and you dealt with this music industry or
Speaker 1: whatever it's being, you get fucked out a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: It had me depressed, done a lot of opportunities. And
Speaker 1: how you depressed it, and how you not wanted to
Speaker 1: do this shit no more. Like I said, I just
Speaker 1: had to sit back and just watch the transition. You know,
Speaker 1: music was turned in, it was going in a different direction.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even want to be caught up in it.
Speaker 1: I stayed out the studio and just tried to live
Speaker 1: normal for a minute. I really went through a depression
Speaker 1: I went through because you think about it, in a
Speaker 1: fit of me being over emotional about some shit, I
Speaker 1: wound up getting fired and they should have fired me
Speaker 1: because I was being mad disrespectful, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I don't lost, you know, a job I
Speaker 1: was making about a bucks any five every year, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, instead of taking the opportunity and
Speaker 1: going to go possibly get another jobs. When I was
Speaker 1: working for them, I had a lot of people because
Speaker 1: you know, I had this success with the ice cream
Speaker 1: painting job record, so I had different companies like Bug
Speaker 1: Music and different people like you know, you come over,
Speaker 1: you know, come over here. And I could have probably
Speaker 1: went over to Warner Brothers at the time. And I
Speaker 1: probably should have just played that hand better man and
Speaker 1: stayed with them and went over because one thing I realized,
Speaker 1: once you step out the industry, those jobs are no
Speaker 1: longer available to you once you walked the thing. I
Speaker 1: should have never stepped off the mountaintop, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I should have stayed in the mountain and
Speaker 1: just you know, really ingratiated myself to them and say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate the opportunity, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: up here and do this now. You know, I stayed
Speaker 1: in good graces with a man instead of leaving slamming
Speaker 1: the door, talking all kinds of shit. You know, but
Speaker 1: that's young shit, you know what I mean. That's young
Speaker 1: nigga shit. Dog. But I really went through a bad depression, dog,
Speaker 1: because you don't realize. Dog. You think you're bawling until
Speaker 1: you stop. That money stopped coming in and you start,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, kind of falling off. Man.
Speaker 1: And I went through a really bad depression. Dog. I
Speaker 1: was fucked up back then, like really fucked up, and
Speaker 1: thank god I got together. Well. That concludes another episode
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