WEBVTT - Angel Reese vs the American Mindset

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<v Speaker 1>leave a start rating the comment Yeah, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. We back at against chronicles. Man, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they do with the homie big still yeah, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of stuff going down right now. Man

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<v Speaker 1>about now. I think this is the most attention that

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<v Speaker 1>the Women's Final four has ever had. In particular, man,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the Home Girl man Ain'tel Reese. They talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this girl man ninety ways. South Man said that

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<v Speaker 1>she was low class. The one cat called or an idiot,

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't really appreciate. And I just noticed with them,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always like a difference because when the girl, when

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<v Speaker 1>the Caitlin Clark girl was doing it, when she was

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<v Speaker 1>out there talking people, Oh she was a monster, she

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<v Speaker 1>was fantastic. It was this lest she got all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of praise heaped on her. But when his sister went

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<v Speaker 1>out there and did the same exact thing, they talked

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<v Speaker 1>about her like a dog. So I guess it's Steelil's man.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of division in this country, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people just had a problem with because she was

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<v Speaker 1>standing right next to the girl, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>girl was like in a like I guess they was

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<v Speaker 1>at the free throw line or something. I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Angel was like, you know, you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in football, it's talking, right, I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>were cool with it. I mean it's sports, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we do sports. We know kids from shit, you can

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<v Speaker 1>even go back to the youth level. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Kids arrivals, nothing wrong with rivals, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people getting their feelings about certain shit that that

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<v Speaker 1>that that is done by I guess us as a

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<v Speaker 1>black people, it's frowned upon, you know. Um, But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess if it was another sister that was standing there,

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<v Speaker 1>would it have been a big deal. If it was

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<v Speaker 1>another sister standing there, probably not. I guess that's they

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<v Speaker 1>try trying to make it a big deal because of

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<v Speaker 1>the race issue, which they shouldn't. But you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>just how people do shit. Man. We've always been separated

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<v Speaker 1>and divided, and it's always been looked upon as if

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<v Speaker 1>we perform or we do some shit. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just face it. You know, we are gifted and talented

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to sports and shit like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd like to talk shit, and we liked the floss,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so when the other side wants to steal

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<v Speaker 1>our shine, you know, I mean, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen her do it. I guess they was playing

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<v Speaker 1>I guess South Carolina or somebody like that. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know, she put them out or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've seen her walking back to her bitch and

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<v Speaker 1>she was doing it, you know, was she following the

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, the girls around, you know, like hey, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>well you know she did some stuff though, because when

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<v Speaker 1>the girl was at the three point line, her opponent right,

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<v Speaker 1>she like waved her off and didn't even guard and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I there, you to take a shot. So

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<v Speaker 1>she was definitely out there talking to her ship being

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<v Speaker 1>shit um. And I'm not mad at her at that,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like, motherfucker, I know you ain't gonna make the shot,

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<v Speaker 1>so go ahead and take it. Yeah, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>got no problem with that. Man. I actually don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem with Caitlin Clark. I think she's a hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a basketball plass, she's a hell of a hooper.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, what I have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with is the double standard in America that still exists

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<v Speaker 1>in America, to where when one person does it, oh

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<v Speaker 1>she's awesome, she's this, she's that, she get a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of praise heaped on her, but when his sister does it,

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<v Speaker 1>oh she's an idiot, she low class. They may as

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<v Speaker 1>well came out and called her a black bitch dog.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that I mean. But that's the hidden hatred of

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<v Speaker 1>people and they, you know, and the idiot shit that

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<v Speaker 1>they think of but like I said, that ship has

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<v Speaker 1>been going on for how long still, man, ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was born. I'm a my fifties dog, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so crazy that people be so surprised about shit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when it happens, I guess because the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is people don't want to believe that the shit is

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<v Speaker 1>still present. But then wake the fuck up, you feel me,

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<v Speaker 1>It don't matter who the fuck you vote in, who

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck you vote out, who the fuck you make

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<v Speaker 1>this or make that, or what rule you change or

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<v Speaker 1>try to change or alternate or whatever, it's still gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be the stubble fucking standard you give me. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the double standard what I taught a motherfucker

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<v Speaker 1>shit if I'm not feeling, but yeah, when you feel

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<v Speaker 1>your Yeah, we ain't never won a national championship men

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<v Speaker 1>or women's in basketball, and shit, everybody had already voted

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<v Speaker 1>us out. Like, men, we ain't gonna beat this IOWA team.

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<v Speaker 1>You get me and they come in and spank a

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<v Speaker 1>motherfucker a hundred and something to eighty something. Man, please,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have been all up in the coach's face party,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, nigga ring ring. People gotta stop you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then another thing. It's horrible for adults, even for

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<v Speaker 1>the white motherfuckers, for the white people, it's horrible that

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<v Speaker 1>she would sit up and call a college student an idiot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or class lists or whatever. Whatever. Oh, let me let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you. Let me tell you it was because

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<v Speaker 1>I got all these names for now my nigga from

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<v Speaker 1>the president of vice president of bar Studs. Yeah, jose

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<v Speaker 1>Hey sus or Tis dude called Reese's actions class lists,

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<v Speaker 1>and Keith Overman called the girl an idiot, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that couldn't have been my daughter, dog, it couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been my dough And what's to do? Like, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the dude the bar Studs, the CEO barstud what's

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<v Speaker 1>his name? Was a fucking He said she was a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking something like. And then I've seen the million Dollar Game.

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<v Speaker 1>Dudes come on and they like, I guess because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they in partnership with them. Yeah, and that had to

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<v Speaker 1>be you know, Gillian Waller shut up day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they came on. It was like, we don't condone, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what homeboy sends and he don't own our show

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever whatever. But I feel a certain kind of

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<v Speaker 1>way to see that. Somebody that I was in a

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with expressed that, man, this is a young lady

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<v Speaker 1>that lets you know what they stand. See. Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you what times like this because this is

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<v Speaker 1>way bigger than that basketball game. Right. What this does

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<v Speaker 1>is it gives us a reminder. Every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>while when we get too comfortable and start thinking shit

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<v Speaker 1>is all good and it sweet, we get little reminders. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those reminders because you see where

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<v Speaker 1>a person stands when stuff like this happens. Because like

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<v Speaker 1>all the white folks, I know, when the white girl

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<v Speaker 1>was doing this stuff, Oh she's awesome. Have you seen her?

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<v Speaker 1>The other one? Oh she has no class. And even now,

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<v Speaker 1>man with the when if you've ever known the White

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<v Speaker 1>House to invite the runner up, well, I've never seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always to win. You gotta figure that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>personal shit. You get me. Somebody in the White House

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<v Speaker 1>feels that these women from Iowa should should join in

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<v Speaker 1>on the celebration with LSU. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of phony. Yeah, that's that old second

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<v Speaker 1>place trophy shit though dogs second place trophy shit fucket

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<v Speaker 1>you lost, but still we're gonna invite you. You get

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<v Speaker 1>to see the president, so it still makes it significant

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<v Speaker 1>for them. But check this out. You know what I

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<v Speaker 1>really shot off to Angel Reese. Man, this girl is

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<v Speaker 1>taking her moment, man, and she really becoming a voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to what she said, man about that. Louisiana State

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<v Speaker 1>University's Angel Reefs had two words for Jille Brighton After

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<v Speaker 1>the first. Lady suggested both the winners and the runner

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<v Speaker 1>up of the NCUBA A Women's basketball Championship visit the

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<v Speaker 1>White House a joke. Biden attended the game Sunday at

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<v Speaker 1>the American Airline Center in Dallas, where Reese and her

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<v Speaker 1>team defeated the Hall guys one on two to eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Biden congratulated both teams Monday, doing remarks to Colorado State

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<v Speaker 1>lawmakers in Denver. Biden said the matchup was a great

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<v Speaker 1>game and a product of the Fight for Title nine,

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<v Speaker 1>which per hips discrimination on the basis of sex and

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<v Speaker 1>colleges ushering generations of female athlete since nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Since she spoke about inviting the two teams to the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, I know we will have the champions come

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<v Speaker 1>to the White House. We always do. So we hope

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<v Speaker 1>LSU would come, but you know, I'm gonna tell Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Iowas should come too, because they played such

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<v Speaker 1>a good game. What kind of shit is that they got? Whooped?

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<v Speaker 1>They got me? You know, you based a good game,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's some foolshit that's that's a spike at LSU

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<v Speaker 1>to me, And I'm gonna just keep this in my

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<v Speaker 1>own opinion. She was like, fuck this shit, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>show them. I'm gonna invite both of them, you get me,

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody knew what the controversy was behind that ship

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<v Speaker 1>that was going on with the little hand thing, So

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it was like a spike thing, like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just to suggest that both of them come, you

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<v Speaker 1>get me. Yeah, Well, Angel Reese, you know why I

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<v Speaker 1>like her because I ain't going most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I turned around and side ain't going that both of

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<v Speaker 1>us got sons. You got a son that's about to

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<v Speaker 1>go through that whole college experienced dog. They get told

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<v Speaker 1>constantly to be quiet about ship. You you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to have an opinion about it. So I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>shout out the Angel Reese and she got some people

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<v Speaker 1>backing her up like Stephen A. Smith. He said, Hey, Reese,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean absolutely zero disrespect to the first lady, but

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<v Speaker 1>you are a thousand percent correct. That is a bad suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>Runner ups don't get invited to the White House. Why

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<v Speaker 1>are we trying to change it now? And runner up?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck that? The losers, Yeah, the losers at down the

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<v Speaker 1>runner up. It's over lost. You lost. I've never known now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been you know. I mean you both coach Pop

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<v Speaker 1>wanting football, right, I've been on the side to where

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the winter seat and in the loser's

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<v Speaker 1>seat at the end of the game when they're giving

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<v Speaker 1>you your trophy, right, you get that second place trophy?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to throw that motherfucker in the trash. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it is what it is. We lost, Yeah, you lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get ready for next season. Yeah, you get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for next season. I've never I got a whole garage

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<v Speaker 1>full of second place trophies. Daughter, we won. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what my son Christopher used to do when he get there.

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<v Speaker 1>He would grab them and break him on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't want that, Like we lost. Shit, Karan

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<v Speaker 1>did shit. Karan would never you know, it wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>about that shit we lose in the season, Karan be like, shit, niggas,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting ready for next season. Yeah, they're ready for

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<v Speaker 1>next season. You know, we gotta stop and when we

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<v Speaker 1>got and that's the problem now in this country, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they feel like they should pacify the loser,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, and then at the kid level, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, with or a lot of organizations. Um

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<v Speaker 1>what I was told, it's like it's the bread bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I guess the Vice President's wife, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>President Biden's wife decided to invite. She said, Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell Joe, I think both teams need to go,

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<v Speaker 1>which is some bullshit, that's I I think it's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say it like that. You know, they have the

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<v Speaker 1>power to do whatever. You know, she's the first Lady whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>She's probably looking at it like, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good suggestion to have both teams, you know, whatever. That

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<v Speaker 1>they invite both teams last year, They've never done that before,

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<v Speaker 1>the second place teams a year before that. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a job because you know, the first

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<v Speaker 1>Lady was at the game. She got to witness the

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<v Speaker 1>tension between you know, LSU and Iowa, and let's face it,

0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:48.959
<v Speaker 1>everybody wanted Iowa to win. Probably LSU was the underdog.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though these sisters was bawling and they was putting

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<v Speaker 1>in work, they probably was already set up. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Iowa the Clark's girl. You know it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was finna be the story, you know, riding

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<v Speaker 1>off into the sunset. Oh my god, Iowa Caitlin Clark

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<v Speaker 1>and oh man, she whoop the womp. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was already set up, shouting around, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how motherfucker you be at the super Bowl or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Both teams had a champagne and the ship set up

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room, right. They both had a T

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<v Speaker 1>shirts ready, the hats ready. And then you get to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where you're gonna shit, we lose it, so

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<v Speaker 1>they clear all that shit out. It was already set up,

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<v Speaker 1>probably that they was ready for Iowa to take that

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<v Speaker 1>game unless you stepped up. And then as a spike call,

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<v Speaker 1>because the young ladies was feeling, you know, the emotions

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<v Speaker 1>of y'all didn't give us a chance. Angel Reese was

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like y'all been calling the hood ever since I

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<v Speaker 1>showed up. We didn't fit in. I'm not the basketball type,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. She went out and proved

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<v Speaker 1>herself against the team, and now she wants to She

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get a payback fall of sipion ship, fall

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of sisters who felt like, you know, everything's about the

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<v Speaker 1>Clark's sister, the Clark girl, the Clark girl. Everything's about

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<v Speaker 1>the Clark girl. Y'all not even giving us a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>So for them to go out there and whip that ass.

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<v Speaker 1>I want my just do and I'm gonna do. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna do

0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.080
<v Speaker 1>with everything, just like our kids do when they play football.

0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.200
<v Speaker 1>When Chris played youth ball, Karan play ball. It be

0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.240
<v Speaker 1>games to wed nigga. We're getting in the game and

0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk, niggas. Do we get flags for it?

0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Do we get penalty? Still? You do? Yeah, you get

0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.080
<v Speaker 1>penalties for it, but sometimes you don't. But check this out.

0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.680
<v Speaker 1>This is what the girl had to say about. This

0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.200
<v Speaker 1>is what Reeks had to say all year. I was

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<v Speaker 1>critiqued for who I was. I don't fit the narrative.

0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't fit the box that y'all want me to

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<v Speaker 1>be in. I'm too hood, I'm too get on. Y'all

0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.440
<v Speaker 1>told me that all year, but when other people do

0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it and y'all don't say nothing. So this is for

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<v Speaker 1>the girls that look like me, for those that want

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<v Speaker 1>to speak up for what they believe in. It's unapologetically you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I did it for a last night.

0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.440
<v Speaker 1>It was bigger than me tonight and Twitter is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go in the rage every time. And I'm happy.

0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've help grow women's basketball this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to celebrating then next season. We all

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<v Speaker 1>don't fit the the we all don't fit the stereotype

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<v Speaker 1>of what we're supposed to be. You're getting me, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you playing for lsu Iowa? Are you playing for Georgetown?

0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you see it? Whoever you're supposed to fit a

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<v Speaker 1>certain criteria is what they feel right looking at how

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<v Speaker 1>much drama my girl got the truck girl? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you get me. You see when we look different and

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<v Speaker 1>we come from our element, it's who I am, even

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<v Speaker 1>with the Well, I'm gonna tell you this and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna put it out there right because obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's it's a business, right, But um, they tell

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<v Speaker 1>these kids man, black kids. Um, you know, and this

0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.440
<v Speaker 1>is advice to all you young men out there that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe playing college football or basketball. Those white recruiters that

0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>come and sit on your couch, they don't understand you.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, they don't understand you. They're there

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<v Speaker 1>to win games, they don't they and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>places they may not even like you. I'm gonna tell you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard stuff, you know. I've heard white coaches called

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<v Speaker 1>kids thugs till NFL scouts, he's a thug. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you got tattoos on earrings, whatever, they go say you

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<v Speaker 1>a thug, they call you a game banger. They all

0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.320
<v Speaker 1>any stereotype you can imagine. They have to perpet you waiting,

0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.280
<v Speaker 1>but it ain't a problem as long as you're bawling

0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>for them. While you bawling for him. Oh he's a

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<v Speaker 1>great kid, this and that. But behind your back when

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL comes, you know, he's a thug. He's not

0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a team player. He taunts people. He's this, he's that.

0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't fit that poster of what they want your

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<v Speaker 1>the image of their school, their college, their team. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>even though you're bawling like a motherfucker, you get me,

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.399
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, like you said, I won't mention

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<v Speaker 1>no names, but I kind of sort of similar saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying in my in a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where kid bawling like a motherfucker, undeniable. But this kid

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<v Speaker 1>don't fit what they like, especially in that quarterback position

0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they want them. The kid did not fit what. The

0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 1>kid got tattoos and you know, he's celebrating after after

0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:42.960
<v Speaker 1>touchdowns and you know, and it was cool when when

0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.119
<v Speaker 1>they didn't when they didn't have another quarterback. You get me.

0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.080
<v Speaker 1>The kid was out there bawling and winning games and

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<v Speaker 1>beating motherfuckers that they ain't beating a hundred years. You

0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>get me. But then soon as somebody else comes along

0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.359
<v Speaker 1>that fits that criteria, the poster boy of what we

0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.040
<v Speaker 1>want our ship to be, then it's like, oh what'

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.040
<v Speaker 1>soun We really don't need you. Oh they want you

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<v Speaker 1>to play another position exactly. They try to switch you up,

0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.040
<v Speaker 1>They try to change you. So it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that that goes on. Look at the kid that's coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of Alabama now, shout out to brace young right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my son played against him all in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>He has always been an elite competitor man, Right, he

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to win games. He's gonna believe it all

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<v Speaker 1>in the line. We beat him, he's beat us. You know,

0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.160
<v Speaker 1>my son went to Saint John Boska, Right, you see

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<v Speaker 1>all the criticism they got about him. Now, now this

0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 1>man that went out there and one, this young man

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<v Speaker 1>is one out the one countless games and it's proved

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<v Speaker 1>that he can stand the punishment with the elite level

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<v Speaker 1>of competition. Right, he's up there. You know, he's proving

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.520
<v Speaker 1>himself already he can go play with anybody in the world.

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:53.360
<v Speaker 1>But now he's too short. He's not he's not fitting

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<v Speaker 1>with our stereotype of a quarterback should be. And give

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck that this that he balling like a motherfucker

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<v Speaker 1>and he winning games and he you get me Heisman Trophy,

0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all that type of ship. But that doesn't matter to

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<v Speaker 1>the motherfucker who's ninety years old, who's sitting up in

0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.639
<v Speaker 1>his motherfucking office with that tight ass suit on, and

0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.280
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker going, well, we should have a quarterback that's six

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<v Speaker 1>foot six and can stand in the pocket. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know he's an All American apple pie hot dog eating motherfucker.

0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 1>That's who they fucking figure who should be? And times

0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.639
<v Speaker 1>are changing? Yeah, because you got to adapt to the

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.439
<v Speaker 1>times and ship you know. But let's let's look at

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:44.359
<v Speaker 1>the facts. Right. The kid never got not one bit

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble, No, not one bit of trouble, been flawless

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>all from high school. Now, cool kid, man, I know

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Bryson Young and his family. Cool kid, right, kid? Right?

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Who kid? Really humble? Right, He's never been no trouble dog.

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.600
<v Speaker 1>He wins games, which is most important. He wins James.

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.560
<v Speaker 1>He's the ultimate competitor. How many times if you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>him tuck that and put his shoulders down and go

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 1>get the first down. He's the ultimate competitor. He has

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a high football IQ. So any bit of criticism that

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>they have for him, it's almost like they couldn't wait

0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to start unloading on this kid because he doesn't fit

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.160
<v Speaker 1>the narrative that he's not six foot six, blue wide

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>with blind here flowing over his shoulders, and that's what

0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 1>they want. When Trevor Lawrence came out, I'm pretty sure

0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.119
<v Speaker 1>them people up in the football the games was up

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.200
<v Speaker 1>there ejaculating. It was probably masturbating. There was probably masturbating.

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 1>We have a golden boy back, you know. And it's

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.719
<v Speaker 1>not a Patrick Beholds and it's not a fucking Jalen

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Hurt or the bar Jackson, Yeah for sure. Or it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a nigger quarterback. Do you feel because we always

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<v Speaker 1>too short, we don't never have enough pocket presence? Oh

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 1>our question? Its arms train? Or what about his intelligence?

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Can he read the defenses in the next the next level? Man?

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.919
<v Speaker 1>All this shiit is some bullshit dog And when you

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<v Speaker 1>see it and it's already he bedn't proven. It's just

0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 1>an obstacle that they want to set ahead because they

0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>want to devalue you. Yeah, and when you go to

0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 1>devalue you, so I pull you down. So I really

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.119
<v Speaker 1>ain't got to pay you what you should be getting exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Check this out when you go to the NFL, combine, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, I don't have nothing against

0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the NFL. The NFL is a great league and changes

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.720
<v Speaker 1>countless keys lives every year. There's a lot of people

0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that don't pull their family, they don't broke generational curses

0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.400
<v Speaker 1>because of the NFL and NBA. So it's a blessing

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to be able to make it. But you do have

0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to kind of look at it when you go to

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the NFL combine, dude, it is all serious business. Dude,

0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.400
<v Speaker 1>it's no joke down. There's cold. First of all, as

0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.120
<v Speaker 1>soon as you get off the plane, you're going to work.

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.119
<v Speaker 1>People poking and proude next you, pulling you, asking you questions.

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.520
<v Speaker 1>So just imagine going on the interview, dog. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the normal job interview. You may go sit down with

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>somebody for thirty forty five minutes, maybe an hour, depending

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>on the fewer. You know, you're going for a corporate position,

0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and maybe you go have you know, maybe two more

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 1>for interviews that day as you move on. But it's

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like the ultimate job interview. So just imagine you being

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>a twenty one, twenty two year old kid. Right, You're

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.879
<v Speaker 1>going in there, man, people asking you all kind of questions.

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.640
<v Speaker 1>And it used to be real bad. They asked one

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.400
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker if his mama was a prostitute before. Yeah, they're

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna they're gonna poking for like you said, they're gonna

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.639
<v Speaker 1>dig and dig because they just they want to find

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>something that's gonna, you know, that's gonna devalue you because

0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.160
<v Speaker 1>if they can get you at a cheaper price. Hell

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 1>fucking yeah, that's what it's about. Yeah, for sure, all

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the time when devalue you shit. So we've still got

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of disappearing though. We still got a lot

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of racism going on in America. Man. But I'm gonna

0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 1>jump over to some other stuff. Just a gamester the chronicles,

0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 1>but gamesters watch football, gamesters watched basketball. It ain't gonna

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:56.160
<v Speaker 1>be all about murderers murderous and the feelings and shit

0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>every weekend when people feel like you know, when when

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<v Speaker 1>you saying gangster chronicles like and then you know, um,

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.479
<v Speaker 1>we're just trying to show people that situations from waking

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.240
<v Speaker 1>like I grew up in Conklin, hood gang bang did

0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>all that shit. But you know, you have to be

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>able to show that you can advance from that and

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>be intelligent and speak on other shit besides who got

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>killed last night exactly dope? And who raided and what

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>hood rat is cheating on? What other nigga and whatever

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and so and so. So we try to we try

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>to show people that, you know, we go diversify a

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit, man, because you know, we can't talk about

0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.479
<v Speaker 1>the same shit all the time, you know what I mean.

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Johnny got shot yesterday and then next week. Oh so

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>and so got busted. And then you know, people get

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.880
<v Speaker 1>tired of, you know, of dealing with with with with bullshit.

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>He everybody know the poverty situations and neighborhood situations, and

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>we still deal with that. Some are some of our

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.480
<v Speaker 1>guests are still tired and to the neighborhoods and still

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 1>have to deal with the repercussions of that. But then,

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>like you said, we got to show motherfucker's that Niggason

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 1>can also advance beyond that. You know, I'm gonna go

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>to this thing with gunner Man, you know, gonna just

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess that everybody's saying he snicks he

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>told right, you know, he told whatever about that. But

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<v Speaker 1>this kid, bad man Kiva. I guess he gave Gunna

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a feature, right, yeah,

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing that. You know, he gave him two

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty four a feature. And I guess that the dude

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 1>don't want to there and you know, spill the beans,

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>don't rather than all that shit. Dude is like, the

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>feature ain't worth nothing now, you know what I'm saying.

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like, why would I want that feature? Now? So

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 1>I need my bread back. Now he's asking for five

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.120
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. He don't want two fifty years from five million.

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess for his time he don't wasted and everything else,

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.879
<v Speaker 1>which y'all think is a little bit absurd. He should

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>get his money back though, Um, but I don't know.

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>If I was gun, I probably wouldn't give hm shit back. Um,

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you paid before a verse. I gave you the verse,

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>but you don't want to use it. So how is

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that you know? Now? I could see if you gave

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 1>him the money he never did the verse, he went

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 1>got locked up, situation went down. Now you feel like,

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>oh no, I don't want that verse no more. Then

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I could see you going for your money back. Yeah,

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.159
<v Speaker 1>before me, and that was kind of ridiculous. If a

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>nigga paid and then a nigga turned you the verse

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.239
<v Speaker 1>in and before you released it, you went through this,

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't see how you can get your money back

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.640
<v Speaker 1>because you just record labels do it all the time.

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go give a nigga some money for a project,

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and then he turned the project in and we go, no,

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.200
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna shelf this motherfucker. They don't turn around and

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>go to the nigga and go, okay, give us our money.

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>But they write that shit off. Yeah, you can't do that,

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and you can't put that album out even though they

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 1>ain't using it. It's not like they give it to

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.239
<v Speaker 1>you and say, well, you're free to do it yourself. Oh,

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 1>that's ours, we paid you for it. We don't like

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the motherfucker. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>shelf the motherfucker. We're just gonna put it on the

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>shelf and it's gonna stay there and you fuck around

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and get hot. One day they might run and slip

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that motherfuck up sid sell it to a motherfucker, license

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it to somebody. But you know that's what you you know,

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the business man. Yeah, I gotta get mom.

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I gotta start getting back more than out because I've

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 1>never heard of bad Man Kiva. It's a lot of

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>these you know, I ain't never said a lot of

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:42.679
<v Speaker 1>these new artists school. You know, it's a lot of

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:44.960
<v Speaker 1>these new artists. You know, Well, this is what he

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>see it. He said, I paid gonna last hit for

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a feature, and months later he gotta kind of kind

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of case which put my feature and everything else on

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>hold just for him to get released a snicks. I

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>can't do a song with dude. I need my bread

0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>back a SAP And if they kept, I'm going a

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>big lawsuit, he said, I'm going big lawsuit. He said,

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>he's suing him, and you know what my thing is, Like,

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>like I just said, again, he paid. So apparently he

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>never got the verse because like he said, he paid,

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and then he got caught up in the case and

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>got incarcerated. So then once he got out, he's known

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>as a snitch. So now he's like, I don't want

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the verse anymore because it's not gonna benefit me, and

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 1>because of the fact that I invested in this verse,

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>because you know, this is the results of what I

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>thought was gonna happen from this particular song. I need

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 1>five million now, because you know, that's just like a

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>prediction of what I thought the sales was gonna be

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>or what I thought the song was gonna do. So

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>now that you have a bad name as a snitch,

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>basically nobody's gonna buy this record or listen to it

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.239
<v Speaker 1>or play it. So I'm thinking for from from the

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 1>progress of the sales and from whatever it could have

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>been generated from the song I'm looking at five million. Yeah,

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what, man, um, that's what I think. If

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna out till dude to go fuck yourself seriously,

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>because you can't come back and ask no motherfucker for

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>bread after the fact, just like you said, butter things

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>on how you feel about it. Yet you could be like, dude,

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I give you the verse, but I ain't given the

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>money back you paid for the verse. Show he'd go

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the verse. If the dude turned around and go, I

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 1>don't want the verse. I mean it's it's a tricky situation.

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you would have to go to law, you

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>would have to get you would have to see a nigga,

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you would have to because other than that, then it's

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna go down the street shit. And who wants to

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>get caught up in some street shit over a verse?

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's real. Well I'll tell you who was willing

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>to get caught up in some street shit. The homie

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Dads he just sat on he was on the Homeboys,

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>showed Chuck disl Homegrown Radio shout out to them Digital

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>soapbox family, and he said he strong arms should and

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to give them two and a half million dollars. He

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>said he was high on mushrooms and up on that

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker with a screwdriver walked up and always with a screwdriver.

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Had everybody offers him up and should cut him a

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>check for two and a half million dollars. So what

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>gets Dad said, I'm gonna get mine. I mean something.

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean you though, depending on what life you come from.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean shit, everybody's had that, uh that that situation

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to where they failed. They had to you know, over

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>had to run up in the label. M I've never

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>had to run up in the label, but I've had

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>my confrontations with labels to where I've had to go

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>take my master's back and put them on lockdown until

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>they gave me my bread. Yeah, or is that right?

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So he was on some strong arms ship. He was like,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing horridball with your motherfucker's ship. Motherfucker old me

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>some money. I turned the record in. They said the

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>budget was gone because somebody had took the money. Shaw.

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I ran up to Bernie Grugman's and before they could

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>take the record, I walked back in there and I

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>snatched the masters. Let me ask you this, that that

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>person that got the money ever call you about it. No,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>but I dealt with the label directly and they ended

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>up cutting me a check for the masters. They was

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty mad about that shit with I'm pretty sure, but

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you know it's it's what happened, sneaky shit, you know what.

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the worst feeling in the world. We had a

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>similar situation have with Glasses right to where we're shooting

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>a video on the Lanta, were shooting Haters video right

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and you know you got a budget there. You know

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>how much money you got. You know what I'm saying.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>You think you got a budget, got it? But you

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>go there and they tell you what, No, this was

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>cut to this person, and this was cut to that person.

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>The money ain't there no more? You like, what the hell? Yeah?

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>That was those days where um with niggas would hook

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you up or whatever, and they just felt like they

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>were entitled to whatever your budget was. So if a

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 1>nigga hooked you up with a label or a deal

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and and they tell you it's it's worth two hundred

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand, niggas will start calling up to the

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>label and being like, yeah, send me fifty, send me thirty,

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>send me forty, And then you go up there and

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>be thinking you're gonna get money to finish your record,

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to finish your project, and motherfuckers start telling you all, no,

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, we gave twenty thousand the so and so,

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we gave thirty thousand the sow and so and and

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>then it just be out of the blue like, okay,

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>but who authorized that? Yeah, it's my fucking deal, right,

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>And they look at it like, well, so and so

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>walked you in the door. So and so is the

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>one that got you the deal. So when they called

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and they said they needed forty thousand, not your budget,

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>we just cut them a check. So that was the

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that was. That was the relationships that some dudes had

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>with well you know yeah, because they were um, I

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>guess they were the sub label. Yeah, yeah, they were

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the sub label. So a lot of people, especially back

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>during the nineties, they were giving cats these pretty much

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>these production company deals to where they got a production deal. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you can, we give your three four album production deal.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>You can bring in two three different artists and would

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>give you a budget for every artist. But then when

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that money hit the table, niggas be like, oh, so

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and so got one hundred and twenty five, and it

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>could have been it could have been good situations they

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>had people done because I knew a whole bunch of

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>cats to have those type of deals that really could

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>have made a lot of money had they just really

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 1>done it right. By the projects. A lot of niggas

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was from the hoods and from the streets, and like

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, a lot of niggas weren't business savvy. Like

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>like some dudes who you see who were successful with

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>their labels, some dudes looked at it as a money grab.

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>You give me if I can go out here and

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't give me a production deal for three albums

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>for three different groups at three albums apiece, that's about

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a million and some dollars sitting on the table. It

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>goes from, if we do this shit right, everybody could

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>be too successful. The label could be here. But it

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>started going to I don't know what I take it as.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I take it as jealousy or whatever. You know

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. And I used to tell niggas all

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the time, niggas who signed you really don't want you

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to succeed. You get me, especially if you're going through

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the subdivision label shit. A lot of niggas aren't gonna

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.959
<v Speaker 1>let you reach that status as them you get me.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>So that's when you start noticing, shit, my budget ain't

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>as much as this, or I'm not getting this, or

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting there because some niggas forget like this

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>is about the label you give me. We're trying to

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>make the label successful. We want to be a sony

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>or a deaf jail m or whatever. But some niggas

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>can't do that. Man. People they see that fucking money

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>hit the table and they go, you know, you should

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>give ex supposed to get this? Why I'm supposed to

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>get this and Z supposed to get that, And niggas

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>start going, I'm gonna take from them, I'm gonna take

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>from them. And this is situation man, pretty much similar

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to what you know, what the podcast people are doing

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. Right, and this is what people

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>don't understand. I have no I have no problem with

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that you are a way bigger celebrity than me. Right,

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>you have more popularity than me. What sense would it

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>make for you to find out later on? Because you're

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna find out that. Oh man, still wind it picked

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>up four hundred thousand dollars and only gave me. You know,

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>wimpthy wham, you're gonna be fished off. You canna feel

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>some kind of way more than likely our partnership go

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in definitely. So my thing is this, No, I'll do

0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the right thing. We get this, hey here, you'll have

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>my nigga. This is who we got boom definitely, and

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>you play fair by stuff, you know what I mean.

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>So with the hope so we can continue making more

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>money instead of hitting the liqu right now. Niggas don't

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.240
<v Speaker 1>look at it like that, which is unfortunate. Some dudes

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>will tell you that shit and like I said, at

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, it all covers down and

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>when that check hits the table and you'll be ya.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>You'll be talking and talking and be like, oh man,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.959
<v Speaker 1>they Finnat give us half a million and I'm gonna

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>get two fifty. You're gonna get two fifty and wooty

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>woomb And then next thing you know, that check hit

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the table and niggas start going and you ain't got

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand, ain't seen from motherfucker would be like, shoot,

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, well, I could really take this and do

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 1>this and then tip this and blop blop blop and

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:46.479
<v Speaker 1>I can give him that and wooty womb, which ain't

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the smart play man, because like I said, it shouldn't

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>be the smart play, because the smart play should be

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>if everything stays on the up and up, you'll see

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 1>how successful and far this shit goes. A lot of

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>shit falls apart when somebody start going I think I

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>should get more than the next, and people start looking

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 1>at it with a lick mentality instead of a business mentality.

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>That's why it's like, you know what, we got this

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>in Hey, hey, we got this money in here. Who yours?

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna mine? And you know that's that's the way

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it should be. Because what happens when this happened, because

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen. What happens when you on a

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>business call and we gotta go talk to the people

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>together or something like that, and they're telling you all

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. You're looking like that's news to me. Yeah,

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. We don't made We don't made

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a couple million dollars and we He's seen them, though.

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>You go through situations like that. I've had that happened

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to me a few times. You get me dealing with

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a fucked up lawyer or crooked whatever. And then you

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>get on the phone with the label and next thing

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, they get to telling you or we sent

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>out a check for fifteen, and we sent out a

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>check for three. You know, we sent out a check

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>for seven, and they're looking at you like you're the

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>one spending all this money. And I'm looking at a

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker like, well when did that check come in? Because

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it. And then and then it's really

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>worse when they send you a breakdown and sending you

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a motherfucking facts and and then there's all the copies

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>of the checks that he asked you something. I know

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you gonna be politically correct, as you don't like putting

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>people on blast. Who was the most shysty what's the

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>most shisty? Um? I can't even call them record labels?

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>But executive you worked upon? The ghetto execut Who who

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>was the most shicey ghetto execut you ever worked for?

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>I had to be honest, The most shisty person I've

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>ever dealt with as far as in business was my attorney.

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>Your attorney what was his name was? John Smith? That

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>was the dude that got you caught up in the

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>ship that wound up turning all the UM wound up

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>telling the dude there was a drug deal or whatever

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that was. That was the situation that happened with UM,

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:04.399
<v Speaker 1>with the Chicago shit and uh me happen to go

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in front of a grand jury and say that I

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>got paid for doing a movie. That's some crazy ass

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 1>shit he got. So he got because you know the

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>thing is if you never they never, Like I said,

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>they never asked me any questions about, um, what dude

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 1>did or whatever whatever. They just asked me that I

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>get paid to do a movie. And I asked, what

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot the text people would have been coming for

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>your ass and everything else. My lawyer, he was, you know,

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>he was in He was in the h He was

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in the ship with them, which I found out later on.

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:42.479
<v Speaker 1>But he really had a lot of personal dealings with them,

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 1>so UM, if anything he told because he knew a

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of their inner workings. I didn't know shit. I

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>met them because I did ad Minutes to Society and

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to do a movie in shy Town and

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>just at the time, Minutes was the ship. It was

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the popular movie. So of course they gonna go after

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you know who, they feel fits the criteria. I was

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>known for coming to Chicago a lot. I had a

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that I dealt with in Chicago as

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>far as street niggas and just you know, concerts and

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>shows and just being there. So it's crazy. So he

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.759
<v Speaker 1>so he was worse than No. Known. Yeah, damn, that's

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 1>seeing the luckers. Unknown was doing some shit. Known was

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.359
<v Speaker 1>aknown what it's like. I say this, when you come

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>into this business, I don't give fuck who you are.

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get fucked. I don't care. You're gonna get fucked.

0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.799
<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be somebody who walked you through the door

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 1>who's basically gonna have their hand in your pocket as

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 1>they walking you through the door. Okay, So that was Unknown.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 1>He was a typical you know, I'm a young I'm

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a young nigga. I'm seventeen years old, game banging and

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 1>ship writing raps about the hood. And Unknown saw it

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>as there's there's my shot, you get me. So he didn't.

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>He didn't do anything though he walked us in the door.

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my nigga slipped did all the beats. I

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.479
<v Speaker 1>wrote all the raps. Anne walked us in the door,

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't. I was unintelligent when it came to business.

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>You was a kid, I was a hood nigga. I

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't know nothing about nigga. I knew crack pieces and

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and and guns and fighting at school and shit like that.

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know nothing about no business world and publishing

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and you get me. So Unknome took advantage of that.

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 1>He was able to go in and get budgets and

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>pay us what he felt we deserved as young knucklehead

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>niggas running around the neighborhood. So that's what happened from there.

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>John was a motherfucker who knew the struggles I had

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>came through with dealing with a motherfucker like that, and

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>he still decided to steal money. Fuck it. So you

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>found out he was actually taking money too. I had

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to go to court for some shit, and then they

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>broke out all the checks that he was cashing and

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about. So he had an attorney

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 1>client privilege account, so he could take checks that were

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>from me, depositim into his attorney client up account and

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 1>they would cash him and he would keep the money.

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So when I went to court on some shit and

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't got that much money.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't make that woompy woop. They said, bullshit, because

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>here's a copy of all the checks you received this year,

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking like, nigga, it was shit like totaling

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a hundred grand, I'm like, I ain't seeing that shitning.

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm over here struggling as a young artist, and you

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>up here in this office just taking advantage of young

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 1>street niggas because that's what the game was. Niggas didn't

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>look out for each other. Niggas felt like, fucking if

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I could fuck you, I'm gonna fuck you. And that's

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>so so. This motherfucker how much money would you say

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 1>he stole? It probably stole over one hundred and fifty

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>two hundred grand. That's a lot of money. Yeah, what

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>year we're talking about that? This was the nineties. Was

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, like the bid nineties when you know,

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:27.240
<v Speaker 1>when when you know, if you wasn't a motherfucking doctor

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Dre or jay Z or whatever, you was a struggling

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>artist because we weren't making money like niggas are today.

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.320
<v Speaker 1>You see niggas a streaming and doing all kinds of

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>shit that wasn't happening back then. So if you was

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>getting little publishing checks every two to three months, you

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>depended on that shit. But niggas felt like, fuck that ship,

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 1>nigga don't deserve what's that check for seventeen hundred, I'm

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>keeping that? What's that a check for twenty five hundred,

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm keeping that? You get me why you all trying

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>to figure out why you ain't making no So he

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.280
<v Speaker 1>got you paining him so on top because I'm pretty

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>sure the on top of that, every time I got

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a check that I knew about, he would take a

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>percentage of Yeah, he'd take a percentage of being your lawyer,

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>because that's our most lawyer's work is that's a our

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>attorney for the show work. You know, he's a part

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of all our des about it is at the motherfucking

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>when the nigga gut busted still in the checks and

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I found out the checks the next day, the nigga

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>sent me a bill saying, this is why he took

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the money because I owed him for all his lawyer

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>work after he was taking money out of his stuff,

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>so he make money from the gate and after the

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.760
<v Speaker 1>courts found the money and showed me he was taking

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the money. He ran home the next day and he

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>conjured up a bill for all in checks and sent

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it to me and said, oh, this is why the

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>money was taking. So he had a hundred thousand dollars.

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Was the day that I stopped working with him and

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.399
<v Speaker 1>never talked to him again. So he didn't get locked

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>up about that ship in Chicago. No, I don't know

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him, but the ship to Chicago. Because

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 1>we separated after that, we had to is this dude

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>stealing business? No. I've been talked to John and probably

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>over twenty years, his son who used to fuck with

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, he used to be my road manager. I

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>just started communicating with him on a low basis through

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Chill because he was fucked with Chill a little bit.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Chill hollers at him, so we started, uh, you know,

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.839
<v Speaker 1>we be coming. Even Katie hit me up, Hey, eight,

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>what's up? What's up? I know, animosity, man, it's it's

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 1>what happens man. Well yeah, and plus that was on

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>his pumps. That wasn't it's what happens man. Like I said,

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.879
<v Speaker 1>if you ain't got fucked in this rap game, then

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 1>something ain't right. Yeah, it's a lot of motherfucker's dog

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.719
<v Speaker 1>that died broke. Man. You know, I heard that, Um,

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>what's my guys slash slash stone, I heard he's homeless. Man,

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 1>all them big ass records they had, Man, this record

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>still generated a lot of money. Man. The problem is that,

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, ownership of shit was very scarce, you know,

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>especially some niggas were able to be successful at it.

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, master p you know, cash money, you know, uh,

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, but it was very hard for an artist

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to retain his masters and shit and get a proper

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>deal from labels and shit. So even with the successful

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of records, motherfuckers wasn't getting to just

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>do He was getting pennies on the dollar, you get me.

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you know about this shit you come

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>from publishing, from writing music, whatever. Niggas is getting pennies

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:47.439
<v Speaker 1>on the fucking dollar. Man. It's different today to where

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you could throw out a song and you

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 1>could collect a ninety percent from it. You could throw

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>out a record and it could stream a billion copies,

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you get me, It could stream a billion times and

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you reaping the rewards from that nowadays to some level.

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Back in my days, we didn't have that, so all

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>we relied on was pure record sales. And if a

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker felt like you didn't deserve you, don't. I ain't

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna put a million dollar budget into you. I'm not

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna give you no million dollars videos. And seeing you

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>here and have you all you was a typical rite

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>off for a label. Get this nigga two hundred and

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>fifty grand, he gonna go out and sell about a

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand records, maybe a one hundred and twenty five.

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna write that shit off, and if we want

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to do it again, we maybe give another nigga another shot,

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and if not, we tell a nigga here. And when

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, back then, one hundred and twenty

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 1>five thousand albums, you was generating some pretty good money

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 1>for the label. Yeah, you was generated almost close to

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars. Yes, So that's why they funk around

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and be like, fucking we're giving nigga another shot. Fuck it,

0:46:57.960 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it ain't much. You know, we gave a nigga, what

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and twenty five grand we spent? What about

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>we gave him two videos, spent about fifty a thousand

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 1>a piece on the videos gave him some posters sent

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>him on the promo tour. So at the end of

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the day, what we spent about half a million, Okay,

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>this nigga gonna sell about two hundred thousand. He gonna

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 1>generate almost over a million and a half back, so

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 1>we'd have made our five hundred back. And they keep

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.399
<v Speaker 1>that up. They was they sharing the publishing? What you did?

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You have a publishing deal with them? I didn't get enough.

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have a publishing deal until I made my

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>own publishing deal sew up. Until all that time, I know,

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 1>one was just still in my publishing because, like I said,

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:41.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm a younger hood nigga. I don't know about that shit.

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 1>The what is publishing? You give me, nigga? I wrote

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the rapp and the record is out, nigga, give me

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>my check. That's what That's what that motherfucker was. What

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was the turns? Named? John should have been on his

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>ass to get that money, but he should have. But

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened was, um, I just wanted to be separated

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>from the nigga. I wanted to be no longer tied

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to unknown in Big B and I wanted to start

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the label directly. So basically that's what they

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>did because I said I wasn't gonna record. Fuck it,

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna record anymore. Sony Who you know, Epic

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Who was like, we liked the gangster rap shit. You

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>know it's making money. So do we want to lose

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 1>MC eight. He just came off a third album, Music

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to Drive Bys doing hell of a good. He just

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>came off a successful movie. You know, he's got the

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 1>number one sound so single you know in the country.

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>So do we wanna let him walk? No kick ann now,

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and let's deal with him directly. So they split them.

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>They cut the budget in half. He was collecting about

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>two fifty two sixty when I was going through him

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 1>when they kicked him out, they cut my budget in half.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.399
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, so they So you're thinking, so you really

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted up losing money camera I did because they figured

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:07.240
<v Speaker 1>that I only needed about one hundred and sixty hundred

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and seventy five thousand when they was kicking up to

0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>fifty to sixty. But when I took over the deal,

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.839
<v Speaker 1>they cut the budget in half. Now do you think

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that if you would have king, because you could have

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>been a free agent at that time, right, you could

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>have went somewhere else, right, right? Did you think about

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 1>telling them to go fuck themselves and go somewhere I

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>already knew that, Like I said, I had what maybe

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 1>when when I split with Unknown Um, I knew I

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>had two albums left with Sony, I was ready to leave.

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't want to be there because they

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't know how to deal with rap. Epic had never

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 1>been successful with with with hip hop, never U. They

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 1>were a pop label, Pearl Jam, Michael Jackson, char Day.

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't know shit about rap. UM. So I was

0:49:56.880 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>ready to leave. Um minutes was successful. I started getting

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 1>little deals, you know, to produce here and near me

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 1>and slipped so I would meet niggas. So I met

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 1>my nigga, Craig Colman, and he offered me one of

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.279
<v Speaker 1>those production deals, and so I said, well, you would

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.359
<v Speaker 1>have been able to go on a sign. That's that's

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>what a little birden hawk. And all the time I

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>had a three album out of three basically artist production deal,

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and each artist got three albums. So I had nine

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>albums on the table going through Big Beat Atlantic and

0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>on my last record, Ron Sweeney, who was running Epic

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>at the Time offered me a new contract, but I

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to take it because I knew they was

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 1>full of shit. Epic didn't know what to do with me,

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 1>so I turned it down. I went back to Big

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Beat waiting to get started because I still had one

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>more album with Epic. So when I turned in the

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>last album, they came back with like a million point

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>two for me to resign, and I said, okay, fuck it,

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 1>even though the niggas don't know how to do no shit. Yes,

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money to have one point two in

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 1>my pocket. So I went back to Big Beat and

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, since our deal don't start for another year,

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I won't out the deal because they wouldn't let me out.

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.360
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't let me out unless I paid them a

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>half a million. That was Craig Calm, Craig calmra just

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the scalless Mophe would not letting me out there. I

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>hadn't tooken a dollar from Atlantic, from none of the albums,

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 1>for none of the deals, none of that. And I

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>tried to get out the deal and he and they

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.279
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to kick up a half a million to

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.320
<v Speaker 1>get out the deal. That's crazy as a motherfucker. I

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 1>think the homey fiend was dealing nothink, that's who he

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 1>was dealing with. Man. So I ended up turning the

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 1>fucking epic money down to keep the fucking production deal

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>with Atlantic, and come to find out they didn't even

0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 1>want to deal with us no more because that's when

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>they started the band on gangster rap music, so they

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.120
<v Speaker 1>did not want to distribute anything related to street shit.

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So I basically got fucked. And so after that, the

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker's come back to me and told me, oh, I

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.320
<v Speaker 1>could go shop for a new deal if I wanted to.

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>After they made me turn down to one point two

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and at one point too and on the table and

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>almost gone. It was gone, And so I ended up

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 1>basically had to go after Craig and got ready to

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>suit him because they wouldn't honor the production deal. Yeah,

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.439
<v Speaker 1>not to get all in your business, but you gotta

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>resolve with him. I got, we settled for a little

0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.759
<v Speaker 1>change and then I was able to walk. That was it.

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>So the nine album deal was off the table. It

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 1>was out the door, and it was like, oh, well

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 1>you can go wherever you want to, and I'm like huh.

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 1>So I had to basically fight them too for nail

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>myself with no lawyer, none of that, and I had

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:28.800
<v Speaker 1>to call him and basically talk shit until they decided

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:33.399
<v Speaker 1>to cut me a check and let me go. That's

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, man. So you fucked around him, missed out

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:39.359
<v Speaker 1>on him. Were too big a deal. See you better

0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>than me, man, I'd have been one of those times.

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Well I've probably been. I was a young nigga back

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>then too. I'd have been walking up in that office.

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I know you thought about it. I know you had

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 1>to think about that. I was like, you know, at

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the time, I was just trying to figure out you know,

0:53:57.719 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to figure out what what what

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>what was going on at this point, Like I said,

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it was like at the you know, the career at

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 1>slowed down, you know, trying to figure out what the

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 1>fuck was the next move. Didn't want to go back

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to street shit, you know show at the time, I

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>just start getting into football, fuck it, you know, learning coaching,

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 1>watching motherfucker's going to games, you know, just doing normal shit.

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I started trying to get into doing normal shit. And

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>then once I had my son, you know, I was like,

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.840
<v Speaker 1>fuck the music shit. Really. So you got this in France,

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 1>as I think that happened all of us. I was

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>bringing for a publishing company. I was an A and

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.800
<v Speaker 1>R from mind Or Music and UM. One of the

0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 1>things that they were trying to do, they were really

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to empower their son, which I'm not mad at

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.560
<v Speaker 1>this day. Kids, you know what I mean. And he

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>was a cool kid. It was actually pretty cool people.

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Like when I think back on it, when you're young,

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>you kind of think a little different. But they was

0:54:57.800 --> 0:54:59.959
<v Speaker 1>actually pretty decent people, man, now that I think about

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.880
<v Speaker 1>They paid me everything I was. But I think I

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>got disenfranchised with the music business because I real lives

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>as A and R. I had a pin with no ink, right.

0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I ran across too much talent that I wanted to

0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 1>mess with it, and I was always getting told Noah

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 1>every turn. The one kid they let me sign, we

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 1>wound up putting out a goal to play actually platinum record.

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.320
<v Speaker 1>We wound up doing an ice cream painting job record

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:25.359
<v Speaker 1>for Droll and that went platinum up. But we had

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>so many opportunities people we could have signed. Man, they

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 1>passed on Tde. That's the one biggest regret I got.

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:33.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, I brought UM. I was talking to my

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Boytop at the time, right Top wanted to do a

0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 1>publishing deal to put some money in them kid's pockets. Right,

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>he said, Hey, if we can go up and get

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:44.360
<v Speaker 1>X amount of dollars, won't they won't we would do

0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a thing. I go to them, They're looking at me

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like I'm fifteen carre crazy. Man. They look at me

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 1>like you don't know what the hell you're talking about. No,

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to do this because they were really

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 1>big on analytics, right, you know it was big on analytics. Well,

0:55:58.600 --> 0:56:00.879
<v Speaker 1>they don't have nothing going on, you know this, man,

0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 1>none of that analytic ship, that ship that they algorithms

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:09.240
<v Speaker 1>and analytics to be happening. And this was right before

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I think they was about to release Section eighty. Right, Um,

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>that was Kendrick's first album. Right, They had already had

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Jay Jay Rock was over at Warner Brothers. They had

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Kendrick and you know, TD was still fairly knew at

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the time. But they was bubbling though, right And I

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:25.840
<v Speaker 1>believed in them so much because I was around topping

0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>them every day, you punching all of them. I said, Man,

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.479
<v Speaker 1>these dudes gonna be the hottest dudes, not just the city,

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 1>probably the country because I saw how they were developing.

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.480
<v Speaker 1>They really got a grasp on the internet. That was

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>when the internet first started, just like start popping. And

0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I saw them, I said, you know what, and I

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 1>knew even back then, I knew the Kate I was

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a star. I said, this little dude is dangerous.

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:48.279
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, He's gonna be one of

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the greatest. You know what I mean. Jay Rock was

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>hard schoolboyque. They just had a roster full of talent,

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.839
<v Speaker 1>and I knew, and at that time, for what they had,

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.040
<v Speaker 1>Top wasn't asking for a whole bunch of money. It

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't none of ridiculous. He just wanted one of them deals. Okay,

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>let me get some money for these dudes pockets. Right.

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Had we done that deal, man, that deal would have

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 1>wound up paying off twenty fold, Dog twenty fold. You

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 1>talked about giving them motherfuck a half million dollars. That's

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna be later on, probably worth closer to a billion. Yeah,

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 1>come on, man, they turned that situation down. I was

0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 1>more mad about that than anything else because I brought them.

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I brought Fingers in there, Producer Fingers. He was my homeboy.

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>He was doing a lot of the Chicano rap stuff.

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>You know. He had leaning like a Cholo, which was

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.640
<v Speaker 1>turned out to be a platinum record, so he did

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a little rob Summer Night. So he had all these

0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>records that he did. He just made sense that had

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 1>they listened to me, dog, I would have probably wound

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 1>up being in that you know that I should always

0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>look at that source power thirty ship, I would have

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 1>probably wound up being one of the most powerful dudes

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>in the music business. But instead they were saying note everything. Yeah,

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:59.439
<v Speaker 1>that's how you know when they got them old traditions. Man,

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 1>they don't know, you know, how to discover shit. They

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>just like to sit back and watch the old wheel

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:10.520
<v Speaker 1>turn and don't want to invest in the new vision.

0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's where a lot of niggas get, you know,

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 1>fall fall, you know behind, because you be having all

0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 1>these ideas and all this shit that you know, I

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.440
<v Speaker 1>see the vision. A lot of motherfuckers don't see your vision.

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's what happens a lot with this business. You know,

0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you gotta really get motherfuckers who believe in your talent

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is you're trying to do, because like

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, motherfucker's to take advantage of you, and they

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 1>either want to fuck you and steal from you or

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.080
<v Speaker 1>they don't believe in you. So a lot of niggas

0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>had to go out to start doing shit on their

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 1>own to prove to motherfucker's Yeah, I got tired though.

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, you said you went to the regular life,

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>so you figure, man, I had a job, man, And

0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 1>like I said, they wasn't bad people, don't. They just

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't let me do my job. They let me do

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.440
<v Speaker 1>my job because one thing I will tell you the

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 1>lady the wife, because they were divorced. It was funny

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.160
<v Speaker 1>they were divorced, but they still worked together and did

0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>everything together, right, So the lady was cool. Man. She

0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty much gave me her credit card when we opened

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 1>up the office in LA because when they came to

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>me with the plan they they were they were based

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 1>in England. They were UK based publishing company, right, so

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:20.960
<v Speaker 1>their whole plan was the expand of the United States.

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 1>So we went and got us fresh. They got us

0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:27.120
<v Speaker 1>dope office man on Sunset Boulevard, and you know, the

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:29.560
<v Speaker 1>guitar center was down the street. She pretty much gave

0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 1>me a card and said go get what you need

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 1>for the studio. But what's my budget? You know what

0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like, well, you like I'm thinking, you know,

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>five ten thousand dollars we get a little set up,

0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 1>pre production set up. She like, no go spending stuff.

0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 1>They spent seventy five thousand without batting the eye. That

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>was when the pro tools AGD just came out. We

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.200
<v Speaker 1>had live skinting there. Dog. We had everything right. And

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>she got it, man, she was with it. She was

0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 1>with the bullshit, you know what I mean? She got it, man.

0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>But her husband was just always knowing everything. But he

1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 1>was a smart dude, and I learned a lot from him.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel what I'm saying because he was one of

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<v Speaker 1>them dudes. And I asked him one day, Man, do

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<v Speaker 1>you regret not letting me sign people? He said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have him before and I ain't got him now,

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<v Speaker 1>so no, yeah, you know what I'm saying before, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have them now, so I don't regret anything. So

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't tripping, but he wound up coming up because

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<v Speaker 1>I believe they wound up. They wound up selling a

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<v Speaker 1>portion of their catalog. Dog. I think it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been Sony or somebody like that. So they wound up

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<v Speaker 1>and they gave him a job to on top of

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<v Speaker 1>so he wound up negotiating a good thing. Man. But

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<v Speaker 1>they was good people though, man, And I think at

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<v Speaker 1>the time I was pissed off at them because they

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let me do certain things, you know, But looking

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<v Speaker 1>back on it now all to probably handle things way

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<v Speaker 1>more different. Yeah, some people just they just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to reneag that power you get some people you get

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<v Speaker 1>to trust you, and then some people just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to reneak. So it is what it is when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the business. Like I said, if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>in here and you dealt with this music industry or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it's being, you get fucked out a lot of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It had me depressed, done a lot of opportunities. And

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<v Speaker 1>how you depressed it, and how you not wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do this shit no more. Like I said, I just

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<v Speaker 1>had to sit back and just watch the transition. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>music was turned in, it was going in a different direction.

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't even want to be caught up in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I stayed out the studio and just tried to live

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<v Speaker 1>normal for a minute. I really went through a depression

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<v Speaker 1>I went through because you think about it, in a

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<v Speaker 1>fit of me being over emotional about some shit, I

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<v Speaker 1>wound up getting fired and they should have fired me

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<v Speaker 1>because I was being mad disrespectful, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't lost, you know, a job I

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<v Speaker 1>was making about a bucks any five every year, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, instead of taking the opportunity and

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<v Speaker 1>going to go possibly get another jobs. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>working for them, I had a lot of people because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I had this success with the ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>painting job record, so I had different companies like Bug

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<v Speaker 1>Music and different people like you know, you come over,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, come over here. And I could have probably

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<v Speaker 1>went over to Warner Brothers at the time. And I

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<v Speaker 1>probably should have just played that hand better man and

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<v Speaker 1>stayed with them and went over because one thing I realized,

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<v Speaker 1>once you step out the industry, those jobs are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer available to you once you walked the thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have never stepped off the mountaintop, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. I should have stayed in the mountain and

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, really ingratiated myself to them and say, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I appreciate the opportunity, but I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>up here and do this now. You know, I stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in good graces with a man instead of leaving slamming

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<v Speaker 1>the door, talking all kinds of shit. You know, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's young shit, you know what I mean. That's young

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<v Speaker 1>nigga shit. Dog. But I really went through a bad depression, dog,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't realize. Dog. You think you're bawling until

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<v Speaker 1>you stop. That money stopped coming in and you start,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, kind of falling off. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went through a really bad depression. Dog. I

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<v Speaker 1>was fucked up back then, like really fucked up, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank god I got together. Well. That concludes another episode

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