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Speaker 1: leave a start rating the comment Yeah, you know what

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Speaker 1: it is. We back at against chronicles. Man, you know

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Speaker 1: what they do with the homie big still yeah, Man,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff going down right now. Man

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Speaker 1: about now. I think this is the most attention that

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Speaker 1: the Women's Final four has ever had. In particular, man,

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Speaker 1: because of the Home Girl man Ain'tel Reese. They talked

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Speaker 1: which I didn't really appreciate. And I just noticed with them,

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Speaker 1: it's always like a difference because when the girl, when

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Speaker 1: A lot of division in this country, you know. I

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Speaker 1: I mean in football, it's talking, right, I mean we

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Speaker 1: just how people do shit. Man. We've always been separated

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Speaker 1: Runner ups don't get invited to the White House. Why

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Speaker 1: Fuck that? The losers, Yeah, the losers at down the

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Speaker 1: full of second place trophies. Daughter, we won. You know

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Speaker 1: all that shit. But you know, you have to be

421
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: able to show that you can advance from that and

422
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: be intelligent and speak on other shit besides who got

423
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: killed last night exactly dope? And who raided and what

424
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: hood rat is cheating on? What other nigga and whatever

425
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: and so and so. So we try to we try

426
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: to show people that, you know, we go diversify a

427
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: little bit, man, because you know, we can't talk about

428
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: the same shit all the time, you know what I mean.

429
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: Johnny got shot yesterday and then next week. Oh so

430
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: and so got busted. And then you know, people get

431
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: tired of, you know, of dealing with with with with bullshit.

432
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: He everybody know the poverty situations and neighborhood situations, and

433
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 1: we still deal with that. Some are some of our

434
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: guests are still tired and to the neighborhoods and still

435
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: have to deal with the repercussions of that. But then,

436
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: like you said, we got to show motherfucker's that Niggason

437
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: can also advance beyond that. You know, I'm gonna go

438
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: to this thing with gunner Man, you know, gonna just

439
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, I guess that everybody's saying he snicks he

440
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: told right, you know, he told whatever about that. But

441
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: this kid, bad man Kiva. I guess he gave Gunna

442
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a feature, right, yeah,

443
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I've been seeing that. You know, he gave him two

444
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: fifty four a feature. And I guess that the dude

445
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: don't want to there and you know, spill the beans,

446
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: don't rather than all that shit. Dude is like, the

447
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: feature ain't worth nothing now, you know what I'm saying.

448
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: It's like, why would I want that feature? Now? So

449
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: I need my bread back. Now he's asking for five

450
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: million dollars. He don't want two fifty years from five million.

451
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I guess for his time he don't wasted and everything else,

452
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: which y'all think is a little bit absurd. He should

453
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: get his money back though, Um, but I don't know.

454
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: If I was gun, I probably wouldn't give hm shit back. Um,

455
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: you paid before a verse. I gave you the verse,

456
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: but you don't want to use it. So how is

457
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: that you know? Now? I could see if you gave

458
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: him the money he never did the verse, he went

459
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: got locked up, situation went down. Now you feel like,

460
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want that verse no more. Then

461
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: I could see you going for your money back. Yeah,

462
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: before me, and that was kind of ridiculous. If a

463
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: nigga paid and then a nigga turned you the verse

464
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: in and before you released it, you went through this,

465
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can get your money back

466
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: because you just record labels do it all the time.

467
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go give a nigga some money for a project,

468
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: and then he turned the project in and we go, no,

469
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna shelf this motherfucker. They don't turn around and

470
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: go to the nigga and go, okay, give us our money.

471
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: But they write that shit off. Yeah, you can't do that,

472
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and you can't put that album out even though they

473
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: ain't using it. It's not like they give it to

474
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: you and say, well, you're free to do it yourself. Oh,

475
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: that's ours, we paid you for it. We don't like

476
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: the motherfucker. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna

477
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: shelf the motherfucker. We're just gonna put it on the

478
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: shelf and it's gonna stay there and you fuck around

479
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: and get hot. One day they might run and slip

480
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: that motherfuck up sid sell it to a motherfucker, license

481
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: it to somebody. But you know that's what you you know,

482
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: that's that's the business man. Yeah, I gotta get mom.

483
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: I gotta start getting back more than out because I've

484
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: never heard of bad Man Kiva. It's a lot of

485
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: these you know, I ain't never said a lot of

486
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: these new artists school. You know, it's a lot of

487
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: these new artists. You know, Well, this is what he

488
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: see it. He said, I paid gonna last hit for

489
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: a feature, and months later he gotta kind of kind

490
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: of case which put my feature and everything else on

491
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: hold just for him to get released a snicks. I

492
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: can't do a song with dude. I need my bread

493
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: back a SAP And if they kept, I'm going a

494
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: big lawsuit, he said, I'm going big lawsuit. He said,

495
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: he's suing him, and you know what my thing is, Like,

496
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: like I just said, again, he paid. So apparently he

497
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: never got the verse because like he said, he paid,

498
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and then he got caught up in the case and

499
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: got incarcerated. So then once he got out, he's known

500
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: as a snitch. So now he's like, I don't want

501
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: the verse anymore because it's not gonna benefit me, and

502
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: because of the fact that I invested in this verse,

503
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: because you know, this is the results of what I

504
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: thought was gonna happen from this particular song. I need

505
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: five million now, because you know, that's just like a

506
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: prediction of what I thought the sales was gonna be

507
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: or what I thought the song was gonna do. So

508
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: now that you have a bad name as a snitch,

509
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: basically nobody's gonna buy this record or listen to it

510
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: or play it. So I'm thinking for from from the

511
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: progress of the sales and from whatever it could have

512
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: been generated from the song I'm looking at five million. Yeah,

513
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: you know what, man, um, that's what I think. If

514
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna out till dude to go fuck yourself seriously,

515
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: because you can't come back and ask no motherfucker for

516
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: bread after the fact, just like you said, butter things

517
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: on how you feel about it. Yet you could be like, dude,

518
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: I give you the verse, but I ain't given the

519
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: money back you paid for the verse. Show he'd go

520
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: the verse. If the dude turned around and go, I

521
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: don't want the verse. I mean it's it's a tricky situation.

522
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you would have to go to law, you

523
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: would have to get you would have to see a nigga,

524
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you would have to because other than that, then it's

525
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: gonna go down the street shit. And who wants to

526
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: get caught up in some street shit over a verse?

527
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that's real. Well I'll tell you who was willing

528
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: to get caught up in some street shit. The homie

529
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: Dads he just sat on he was on the Homeboys,

530
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: showed Chuck disl Homegrown Radio shout out to them Digital

531
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: soapbox family, and he said he strong arms should and

532
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: to give them two and a half million dollars. He

533
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: said he was high on mushrooms and up on that

534
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: motherfucker with a screwdriver walked up and always with a screwdriver.

535
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Had everybody offers him up and should cut him a

536
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: check for two and a half million dollars. So what

537
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: gets Dad said, I'm gonna get mine. I mean something.

538
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean you though, depending on what life you come from.

539
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean shit, everybody's had that, uh that that situation

540
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: to where they failed. They had to you know, over

541
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: had to run up in the label. M I've never

542
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: had to run up in the label, but I've had

543
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: my confrontations with labels to where I've had to go

544
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: take my master's back and put them on lockdown until

545
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: they gave me my bread. Yeah, or is that right?

546
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: So he was on some strong arms ship. He was like,

547
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm playing horridball with your motherfucker's ship. Motherfucker old me

548
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: some money. I turned the record in. They said the

549
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: budget was gone because somebody had took the money. Shaw.

550
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: I ran up to Bernie Grugman's and before they could

551
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: take the record, I walked back in there and I

552
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: snatched the masters. Let me ask you this, that that

553
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: person that got the money ever call you about it. No,

554
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: but I dealt with the label directly and they ended

555
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: up cutting me a check for the masters. They was

556
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: pretty mad about that shit with I'm pretty sure, but

557
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: you know it's it's what happened, sneaky shit, you know what.

558
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: That's the worst feeling in the world. We had a

559
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: similar situation have with Glasses right to where we're shooting

560
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: a video on the Lanta, were shooting Haters video right

561
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: and you know you got a budget there. You know

562
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: how much money you got. You know what I'm saying.

563
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: You think you got a budget, got it? But you

564
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: go there and they tell you what, No, this was

565
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: cut to this person, and this was cut to that person.

566
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: The money ain't there no more? You like, what the hell? Yeah?

567
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: That was those days where um with niggas would hook

568
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: you up or whatever, and they just felt like they

569
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: were entitled to whatever your budget was. So if a

570
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: nigga hooked you up with a label or a deal

571
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: and and they tell you it's it's worth two hundred

572
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand, niggas will start calling up to the

573
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: label and being like, yeah, send me fifty, send me thirty,

574
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: send me forty, And then you go up there and

575
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: be thinking you're gonna get money to finish your record,

576
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: to finish your project, and motherfuckers start telling you all, no,

577
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, we gave twenty thousand the so and so,

578
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: we gave thirty thousand the sow and so and and

579
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: then it just be out of the blue like, okay,

580
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: but who authorized that? Yeah, it's my fucking deal, right,

581
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: And they look at it like, well, so and so

582
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: walked you in the door. So and so is the

583
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: one that got you the deal. So when they called

584
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: and they said they needed forty thousand, not your budget,

585
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: we just cut them a check. So that was the

586
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: that was. That was the relationships that some dudes had

587
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: with well you know yeah, because they were um, I

588
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: guess they were the sub label. Yeah, yeah, they were

589
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the sub label. So a lot of people, especially back

590
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: during the nineties, they were giving cats these pretty much

591
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: these production company deals to where they got a production deal. Yeah, yeah,

592
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: you can, we give your three four album production deal.

593
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: You can bring in two three different artists and would

594
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: give you a budget for every artist. But then when

595
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: that money hit the table, niggas be like, oh, so

596
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: and so got one hundred and twenty five, and it

597
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: could have been it could have been good situations they

598
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: had people done because I knew a whole bunch of

599
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: cats to have those type of deals that really could

600
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: have made a lot of money had they just really

601
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: done it right. By the projects. A lot of niggas

602
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: was from the hoods and from the streets, and like

603
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of niggas weren't business savvy. Like

604
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: like some dudes who you see who were successful with

605
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: their labels, some dudes looked at it as a money grab.

606
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: You give me if I can go out here and

607
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: I can't give me a production deal for three albums

608
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: for three different groups at three albums apiece, that's about

609
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: a million and some dollars sitting on the table. It

610
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: goes from, if we do this shit right, everybody could

611
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: be too successful. The label could be here. But it

612
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: started going to I don't know what I take it as.

613
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes I take it as jealousy or whatever. You know

614
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I used to tell niggas all

615
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: the time, niggas who signed you really don't want you

616
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: to succeed. You get me, especially if you're going through

617
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: the subdivision label shit. A lot of niggas aren't gonna

618
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: let you reach that status as them you get me.

619
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: So that's when you start noticing, shit, my budget ain't

620
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: as much as this, or I'm not getting this, or

621
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm not getting there because some niggas forget like this

622
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: is about the label you give me. We're trying to

623
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: make the label successful. We want to be a sony

624
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: or a deaf jail m or whatever. But some niggas

625
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: can't do that. Man. People they see that fucking money

626
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: hit the table and they go, you know, you should

627
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: give ex supposed to get this? Why I'm supposed to

628
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: get this and Z supposed to get that, And niggas

629
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: start going, I'm gonna take from them, I'm gonna take

630
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: from them. And this is situation man, pretty much similar

631
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: to what you know, what the podcast people are doing

632
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Right, and this is what people

633
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: don't understand. I have no I have no problem with

634
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: saying that you are a way bigger celebrity than me. Right,

635
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: you have more popularity than me. What sense would it

636
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: make for you to find out later on? Because you're

637
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna find out that. Oh man, still wind it picked

638
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: up four hundred thousand dollars and only gave me. You know,

639
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: wimpthy wham, you're gonna be fished off. You canna feel

640
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: some kind of way more than likely our partnership go

641
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: in definitely. So my thing is this, No, I'll do

642
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: the right thing. We get this, hey here, you'll have

643
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: my nigga. This is who we got boom definitely, and

644
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: you play fair by stuff, you know what I mean.

645
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: So with the hope so we can continue making more

646
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: money instead of hitting the liqu right now. Niggas don't

647
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: look at it like that, which is unfortunate. Some dudes

648
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: will tell you that shit and like I said, at

649
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it all covers down and

650
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: when that check hits the table and you'll be ya.

651
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: You'll be talking and talking and be like, oh man,

652
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: they Finnat give us half a million and I'm gonna

653
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: get two fifty. You're gonna get two fifty and wooty

654
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: woomb And then next thing you know, that check hit

655
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: the table and niggas start going and you ain't got

656
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: fifty thousand, ain't seen from motherfucker would be like, shoot,

657
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: you know, well, I could really take this and do

658
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: this and then tip this and blop blop blop and

659
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 1: I can give him that and wooty womb, which ain't

660
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: the smart play man, because like I said, it shouldn't

661
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: be the smart play, because the smart play should be

662
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: if everything stays on the up and up, you'll see

663
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: how successful and far this shit goes. A lot of

664
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: shit falls apart when somebody start going I think I

665
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: should get more than the next, and people start looking

666
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: at it with a lick mentality instead of a business mentality.

667
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: That's why it's like, you know what, we got this

668
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: in Hey, hey, we got this money in here. Who yours?

669
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna mine? And you know that's that's the way

670
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: it should be. Because what happens when this happened, because

671
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. What happens when you on a

672
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: business call and we gotta go talk to the people

673
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: together or something like that, and they're telling you all

674
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. You're looking like that's news to me. Yeah,

675
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. We don't made We don't made

676
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars and we He's seen them, though.

677
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: You go through situations like that. I've had that happened

678
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: to me a few times. You get me dealing with

679
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: a fucked up lawyer or crooked whatever. And then you

680
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: get on the phone with the label and next thing

681
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, they get to telling you or we sent

682
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: out a check for fifteen, and we sent out a

683
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: check for three. You know, we sent out a check

684
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: for seven, and they're looking at you like you're the

685
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: one spending all this money. And I'm looking at a

686
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: motherfucker like, well when did that check come in? Because

687
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. And then and then it's really

688
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: worse when they send you a breakdown and sending you

689
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: a motherfucking facts and and then there's all the copies

690
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: of the checks that he asked you something. I know

691
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: you gonna be politically correct, as you don't like putting

692
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: people on blast. Who was the most shysty what's the

693
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: most shisty? Um? I can't even call them record labels?

694
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: But executive you worked upon? The ghetto execut Who who

695
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: was the most shicey ghetto execut you ever worked for?

696
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: I had to be honest, The most shisty person I've

697
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: ever dealt with as far as in business was my attorney.

698
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Your attorney what was his name was? John Smith? That

699
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: was the dude that got you caught up in the

700
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: ship that wound up turning all the UM wound up

701
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: telling the dude there was a drug deal or whatever

702
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: that was. That was the situation that happened with UM,

703
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: with the Chicago shit and uh me happen to go

704
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: in front of a grand jury and say that I

705
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: got paid for doing a movie. That's some crazy ass

706
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: shit he got. So he got because you know the

707
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: thing is if you never they never, Like I said,

708
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: they never asked me any questions about, um, what dude

709
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: did or whatever whatever. They just asked me that I

710
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: get paid to do a movie. And I asked, what

711
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot the text people would have been coming for

712
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: your ass and everything else. My lawyer, he was, you know,

713
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: he was in He was in the h He was

714
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: in the ship with them, which I found out later on.

715
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: But he really had a lot of personal dealings with them,

716
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: so UM, if anything he told because he knew a

717
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of their inner workings. I didn't know shit. I

718
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: met them because I did ad Minutes to Society and

719
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: they wanted to do a movie in shy Town and

720
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: just at the time, Minutes was the ship. It was

721
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: the popular movie. So of course they gonna go after

722
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: you know who, they feel fits the criteria. I was

723
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: known for coming to Chicago a lot. I had a

724
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: lot of people that I dealt with in Chicago as

725
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: far as street niggas and just you know, concerts and

726
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: shows and just being there. So it's crazy. So he

727
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: so he was worse than No. Known. Yeah, damn, that's

728
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: seeing the luckers. Unknown was doing some shit. Known was

729
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: aknown what it's like. I say this, when you come

730
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: into this business, I don't give fuck who you are.

731
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna get fucked. I don't care. You're gonna get fucked.

732
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: There's gonna be somebody who walked you through the door

733
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: who's basically gonna have their hand in your pocket as

734
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: they walking you through the door. Okay, So that was Unknown.

735
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: He was a typical you know, I'm a young I'm

736
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: a young nigga. I'm seventeen years old, game banging and

737
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: ship writing raps about the hood. And Unknown saw it

738
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: as there's there's my shot, you get me. So he didn't.

739
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: He didn't do anything though he walked us in the door.

740
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, my nigga slipped did all the beats. I

741
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: wrote all the raps. Anne walked us in the door,

742
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I was unintelligent when it came to business.

743
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: You was a kid, I was a hood nigga. I

744
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: didn't know nothing about nigga. I knew crack pieces and

745
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: and and guns and fighting at school and shit like that.

746
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about no business world and publishing

747
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: and you get me. So Unknome took advantage of that.

748
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: He was able to go in and get budgets and

749
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: pay us what he felt we deserved as young knucklehead

750
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: niggas running around the neighborhood. So that's what happened from there.

751
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: John was a motherfucker who knew the struggles I had

752
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: came through with dealing with a motherfucker like that, and

753
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: he still decided to steal money. Fuck it. So you

754
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: found out he was actually taking money too. I had

755
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: to go to court for some shit, and then they

756
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: broke out all the checks that he was cashing and

757
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: I had no idea about. So he had an attorney

758
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: client privilege account, so he could take checks that were

759
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: from me, depositim into his attorney client up account and

760
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: they would cash him and he would keep the money.

761
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: So when I went to court on some shit and

762
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't got that much money.

763
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: I didn't make that woompy woop. They said, bullshit, because

764
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: here's a copy of all the checks you received this year,

765
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: and I'm looking like, nigga, it was shit like totaling

766
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: a hundred grand, I'm like, I ain't seeing that shitning.

767
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm over here struggling as a young artist, and you

768
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: up here in this office just taking advantage of young

769
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: street niggas because that's what the game was. Niggas didn't

770
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: look out for each other. Niggas felt like, fucking if

771
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: I could fuck you, I'm gonna fuck you. And that's

772
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: so so. This motherfucker how much money would you say

773
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: he stole? It probably stole over one hundred and fifty

774
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: two hundred grand. That's a lot of money. Yeah, what

775
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: year we're talking about that? This was the nineties. Was

776
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: in the nineties, like the bid nineties when you know,

777
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: when when you know, if you wasn't a motherfucking doctor

778
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: Dre or jay Z or whatever, you was a struggling

779
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: artist because we weren't making money like niggas are today.

780
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: You see niggas a streaming and doing all kinds of

781
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: shit that wasn't happening back then. So if you was

782
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: getting little publishing checks every two to three months, you

783
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: depended on that shit. But niggas felt like, fuck that ship,

784
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: nigga don't deserve what's that check for seventeen hundred, I'm

785
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: keeping that? What's that a check for twenty five hundred,

786
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm keeping that? You get me why you all trying

787
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: to figure out why you ain't making no So he

788
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 1: got you paining him so on top because I'm pretty

789
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: sure the on top of that, every time I got

790
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: a check that I knew about, he would take a

791
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: percentage of Yeah, he'd take a percentage of being your lawyer,

792
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: because that's our most lawyer's work is that's a our

793
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: attorney for the show work. You know, he's a part

794
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: of all our des about it is at the motherfucking

795
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: when the nigga gut busted still in the checks and

796
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: I found out the checks the next day, the nigga

797
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: sent me a bill saying, this is why he took

798
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: the money because I owed him for all his lawyer

799
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: work after he was taking money out of his stuff,

800
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: so he make money from the gate and after the

801
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: courts found the money and showed me he was taking

802
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: the money. He ran home the next day and he

803
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: conjured up a bill for all in checks and sent

804
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: it to me and said, oh, this is why the

805
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: money was taking. So he had a hundred thousand dollars.

806
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: Was the day that I stopped working with him and

807
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: never talked to him again. So he didn't get locked

808
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: up about that ship in Chicago. No, I don't know

809
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: what happened to him, but the ship to Chicago. Because

810
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: we separated after that, we had to is this dude

811
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: stealing business? No. I've been talked to John and probably

812
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: over twenty years, his son who used to fuck with

813
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, he used to be my road manager. I

814
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: just started communicating with him on a low basis through

815
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Chill because he was fucked with Chill a little bit.

816
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: Chill hollers at him, so we started, uh, you know,

817
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: we be coming. Even Katie hit me up, Hey, eight,

818
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? I know, animosity, man, it's it's

819
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: what happens man. Well yeah, and plus that was on

820
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: his pumps. That wasn't it's what happens man. Like I said,

821
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: if you ain't got fucked in this rap game, then

822
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: something ain't right. Yeah, it's a lot of motherfucker's dog

823
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: that died broke. Man. You know, I heard that, Um,

824
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: what's my guys slash slash stone, I heard he's homeless. Man,

825
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: all them big ass records they had, Man, this record

826
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: still generated a lot of money. Man. The problem is that,

827
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, ownership of shit was very scarce, you know,

828
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: especially some niggas were able to be successful at it.

829
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, master p you know, cash money, you know, uh,

830
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, but it was very hard for an artist

831
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: to retain his masters and shit and get a proper

832
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: deal from labels and shit. So even with the successful

833
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: of a lot of records, motherfuckers wasn't getting to just

834
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: do He was getting pennies on the dollar, you get me.

835
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know about this shit you come

836
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: from publishing, from writing music, whatever. Niggas is getting pennies

837
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 1: on the fucking dollar. Man. It's different today to where

838
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, you could throw out a song and you

839
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: could collect a ninety percent from it. You could throw

840
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: out a record and it could stream a billion copies,

841
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you get me, It could stream a billion times and

842
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: you reaping the rewards from that nowadays to some level.

843
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Back in my days, we didn't have that, so all

844
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: we relied on was pure record sales. And if a

845
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: motherfucker felt like you didn't deserve you, don't. I ain't

846
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna put a million dollar budget into you. I'm not

847
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna give you no million dollars videos. And seeing you

848
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: here and have you all you was a typical rite

849
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: off for a label. Get this nigga two hundred and

850
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: fifty grand, he gonna go out and sell about a

851
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: hundred thousand records, maybe a one hundred and twenty five.

852
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna write that shit off, and if we want

853
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: to do it again, we maybe give another nigga another shot,

854
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: and if not, we tell a nigga here. And when

855
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: you think about it, back then, one hundred and twenty

856
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: five thousand albums, you was generating some pretty good money

857
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: for the label. Yeah, you was generated almost close to

858
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: a million dollars. Yes, So that's why they funk around

859
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: and be like, fucking we're giving nigga another shot. Fuck it,

860
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: it ain't much. You know, we gave a nigga, what

861
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five grand we spent? What about

862
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: we gave him two videos, spent about fifty a thousand

863
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: a piece on the videos gave him some posters sent

864
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: him on the promo tour. So at the end of

865
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: the day, what we spent about half a million, Okay,

866
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: this nigga gonna sell about two hundred thousand. He gonna

867
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: generate almost over a million and a half back, so

868
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: we'd have made our five hundred back. And they keep

869
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: that up. They was they sharing the publishing? What you did?

870
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: You have a publishing deal with them? I didn't get enough.

871
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have a publishing deal until I made my

872
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: own publishing deal sew up. Until all that time, I know,

873
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: one was just still in my publishing because, like I said,

874
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm a younger hood nigga. I don't know about that shit.

875
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: The what is publishing? You give me, nigga? I wrote

876
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: the rapp and the record is out, nigga, give me

877
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: my check. That's what That's what that motherfucker was. What

878
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: was the turns? Named? John should have been on his

879
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: ass to get that money, but he should have. But

880
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: what happened was, um, I just wanted to be separated

881
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: from the nigga. I wanted to be no longer tied

882
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: to unknown in Big B and I wanted to start

883
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: dealing with the label directly. So basically that's what they

884
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: did because I said I wasn't gonna record. Fuck it,

885
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna record anymore. Sony Who you know, Epic

886
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Who was like, we liked the gangster rap shit. You

887
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: know it's making money. So do we want to lose

888
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: MC eight. He just came off a third album, Music

889
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: to Drive Bys doing hell of a good. He just

890
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: came off a successful movie. You know, he's got the

891
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: number one sound so single you know in the country.

892
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: So do we wanna let him walk? No kick ann now,

893
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: and let's deal with him directly. So they split them.

894
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: They cut the budget in half. He was collecting about

895
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: two fifty two sixty when I was going through him

896
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: when they kicked him out, they cut my budget in half.

897
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: That's crazy, so they So you're thinking, so you really

898
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: wanted up losing money camera I did because they figured

899
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: that I only needed about one hundred and sixty hundred

900
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand when they was kicking up to

901
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: fifty to sixty. But when I took over the deal,

902
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: they cut the budget in half. Now do you think

903
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: that if you would have king, because you could have

904
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: been a free agent at that time, right, you could

905
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: have went somewhere else, right, right? Did you think about

906
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: telling them to go fuck themselves and go somewhere I

907
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: already knew that, Like I said, I had what maybe

908
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: when when I split with Unknown Um, I knew I

909
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: had two albums left with Sony, I was ready to leave.

910
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't want to be there because they

911
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: didn't know how to deal with rap. Epic had never

912
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: been successful with with with hip hop, never U. They

913
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: were a pop label, Pearl Jam, Michael Jackson, char Day.

914
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: They didn't know shit about rap. UM. So I was

915
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: ready to leave. Um minutes was successful. I started getting

916
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: little deals, you know, to produce here and near me

917
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: and slipped so I would meet niggas. So I met

918
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: my nigga, Craig Colman, and he offered me one of

919
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: those production deals, and so I said, well, you would

920
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: have been able to go on a sign. That's that's

921
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: what a little birden hawk. And all the time I

922
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: had a three album out of three basically artist production deal,

923
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: and each artist got three albums. So I had nine

924
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: albums on the table going through Big Beat Atlantic and

925
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: on my last record, Ron Sweeney, who was running Epic

926
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: at the Time offered me a new contract, but I

927
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to take it because I knew they was

928
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: full of shit. Epic didn't know what to do with me,

929
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: so I turned it down. I went back to Big

930
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Beat waiting to get started because I still had one

931
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: more album with Epic. So when I turned in the

932
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: last album, they came back with like a million point

933
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: two for me to resign, and I said, okay, fuck it,

934
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: even though the niggas don't know how to do no shit. Yes,

935
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money to have one point two in

936
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: my pocket. So I went back to Big Beat and

937
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: was like, since our deal don't start for another year,

938
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: I won't out the deal because they wouldn't let me out.

939
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me out unless I paid them a

940
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: half a million. That was Craig Calm, Craig calmra just

941
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: the scalless Mophe would not letting me out there. I

942
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: hadn't tooken a dollar from Atlantic, from none of the albums,

943
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: for none of the deals, none of that. And I

944
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: tried to get out the deal and he and they

945
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: wanted me to kick up a half a million to

946
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: get out the deal. That's crazy as a motherfucker. I

947
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: think the homey fiend was dealing nothink, that's who he

948
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: was dealing with. Man. So I ended up turning the

949
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: fucking epic money down to keep the fucking production deal

950
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: with Atlantic, and come to find out they didn't even

951
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: want to deal with us no more because that's when

952
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: they started the band on gangster rap music, so they

953
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: did not want to distribute anything related to street shit.

954
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: So I basically got fucked. And so after that, the

955
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker's come back to me and told me, oh, I

956
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: could go shop for a new deal if I wanted to.

957
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: After they made me turn down to one point two

958
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: and at one point too and on the table and

959
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: almost gone. It was gone, And so I ended up

960
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: basically had to go after Craig and got ready to

961
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: suit him because they wouldn't honor the production deal. Yeah,

962
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: not to get all in your business, but you gotta

963
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: resolve with him. I got, we settled for a little

964
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: change and then I was able to walk. That was it.

965
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: So the nine album deal was off the table. It

966
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: was out the door, and it was like, oh, well

967
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: you can go wherever you want to, and I'm like huh.

968
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: So I had to basically fight them too for nail

969
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: myself with no lawyer, none of that, and I had

970
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: to call him and basically talk shit until they decided

971
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: to cut me a check and let me go. That's

972
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: fucked up, man. So you fucked around him, missed out

973
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: on him. Were too big a deal. See you better

974
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: than me, man, I'd have been one of those times.

975
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Well I've probably been. I was a young nigga back

976
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: then too. I'd have been walking up in that office.

977
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: I know you thought about it. I know you had

978
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: to think about that. I was like, you know, at

979
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: the time, I was just trying to figure out you know,

980
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I was just trying to figure out what what what

981
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: what was going on at this point, Like I said,

982
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: it was like at the you know, the career at

983
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: slowed down, you know, trying to figure out what the

984
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: fuck was the next move. Didn't want to go back

985
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: to street shit, you know show at the time, I

986
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: just start getting into football, fuck it, you know, learning coaching,

987
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: watching motherfucker's going to games, you know, just doing normal shit.

988
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: I started trying to get into doing normal shit. And

989
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: then once I had my son, you know, I was like,

990
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: fuck the music shit. Really. So you got this in France,

991
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: as I think that happened all of us. I was

992
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: bringing for a publishing company. I was an A and

993
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: R from mind Or Music and UM. One of the

994
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: things that they were trying to do, they were really

995
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: trying to empower their son, which I'm not mad at

996
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: this day. Kids, you know what I mean. And he

997
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: was a cool kid. It was actually pretty cool people.

998
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Like when I think back on it, when you're young,

999
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: you kind of think a little different. But they was

1000
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: actually pretty decent people, man, now that I think about

1001
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: They paid me everything I was. But I think I

1002
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: got disenfranchised with the music business because I real lives

1003
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: as A and R. I had a pin with no ink, right.

1004
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: I ran across too much talent that I wanted to

1005
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: mess with it, and I was always getting told Noah

1006
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: every turn. The one kid they let me sign, we

1007
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: wound up putting out a goal to play actually platinum record.

1008
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: We wound up doing an ice cream painting job record

1009
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: for Droll and that went platinum up. But we had

1010
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: so many opportunities people we could have signed. Man, they

1011
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: passed on Tde. That's the one biggest regret I got.

1012
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: You know, I brought UM. I was talking to my

1013
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: Boytop at the time, right Top wanted to do a

1014
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: publishing deal to put some money in them kid's pockets. Right,

1015
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, if we can go up and get

1016
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: X amount of dollars, won't they won't we would do

1017
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: a thing. I go to them, They're looking at me

1018
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: like I'm fifteen carre crazy. Man. They look at me

1019
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: like you don't know what the hell you're talking about. No,

1020
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this because they were really

1021
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: big on analytics, right, you know it was big on analytics. Well,

1022
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: they don't have nothing going on, you know this, man,

1023
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: none of that analytic ship, that ship that they algorithms

1024
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: and analytics to be happening. And this was right before

1025
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: I think they was about to release Section eighty. Right, Um,

1026
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: that was Kendrick's first album. Right, They had already had

1027
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: Jay Jay Rock was over at Warner Brothers. They had

1028
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: Kendrick and you know, TD was still fairly knew at

1029
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: the time. But they was bubbling though, right And I

1030
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: believed in them so much because I was around topping

1031
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: them every day, you punching all of them. I said, Man,

1032
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: these dudes gonna be the hottest dudes, not just the city,

1033
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: probably the country because I saw how they were developing.

1034
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: They really got a grasp on the internet. That was

1035
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: when the internet first started, just like start popping. And

1036
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: I saw them, I said, you know what, and I

1037
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: knew even back then, I knew the Kate I was

1038
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a star. I said, this little dude is dangerous.

1039
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, He's gonna be one of

1040
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: the greatest. You know what I mean. Jay Rock was

1041
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: hard schoolboyque. They just had a roster full of talent,

1042
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: and I knew, and at that time, for what they had,

1043
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: Top wasn't asking for a whole bunch of money. It

1044
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: wasn't none of ridiculous. He just wanted one of them deals. Okay,

1045
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: let me get some money for these dudes pockets. Right.

1046
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: Had we done that deal, man, that deal would have

1047
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: wound up paying off twenty fold, Dog twenty fold. You

1048
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: talked about giving them motherfuck a half million dollars. That's

1049
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: gonna be later on, probably worth closer to a billion. Yeah,

1050
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: come on, man, they turned that situation down. I was

1051
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: more mad about that than anything else because I brought them.

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: I brought Fingers in there, Producer Fingers. He was my homeboy.

1053
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: He was doing a lot of the Chicano rap stuff.

1054
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: You know. He had leaning like a Cholo, which was

1055
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: turned out to be a platinum record, so he did

1056
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: a little rob Summer Night. So he had all these

1057
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: records that he did. He just made sense that had

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00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: they listened to me, dog, I would have probably wound

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00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: up being in that you know that I should always

1060
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: look at that source power thirty ship, I would have

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00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: probably wound up being one of the most powerful dudes

1062
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: in the music business. But instead they were saying note everything. Yeah,

1063
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: that's how you know when they got them old traditions. Man,

1064
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: they don't know, you know, how to discover shit. They

1065
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: just like to sit back and watch the old wheel

1066
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: turn and don't want to invest in the new vision.

1067
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of niggas get, you know,

1068
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: fall fall, you know behind, because you be having all

1069
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: these ideas and all this shit that you know, I

1070
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: see the vision. A lot of motherfuckers don't see your vision.

1071
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: And that's what happens a lot with this business. You know,

1072
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: you gotta really get motherfuckers who believe in your talent

1073
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: or whatever it is you're trying to do, because like

1074
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I said, motherfucker's to take advantage of you, and they

1075
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: either want to fuck you and steal from you or

1076
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: they don't believe in you. So a lot of niggas

1077
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: had to go out to start doing shit on their

1078
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: own to prove to motherfucker's Yeah, I got tired though.

1079
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, you said you went to the regular life,

1080
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: so you figure, man, I had a job, man, And

1081
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: like I said, they wasn't bad people, don't. They just

1082
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't let me do my job. They let me do

1083
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: my job because one thing I will tell you the

1084
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: lady the wife, because they were divorced. It was funny

1085
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: they were divorced, but they still worked together and did

1086
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: everything together, right, So the lady was cool. Man. She

1087
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: pretty much gave me her credit card when we opened

1088
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: up the office in LA because when they came to

1089
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: me with the plan they they were they were based

1090
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: in England. They were UK based publishing company, right, so

1091
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: their whole plan was the expand of the United States.

1092
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: So we went and got us fresh. They got us

1093
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: dope office man on Sunset Boulevard, and you know, the

1094
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: guitar center was down the street. She pretty much gave

1095
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: me a card and said go get what you need

1096
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: for the studio. But what's my budget? You know what

1097
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, well, you like I'm thinking, you know,

1098
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: five ten thousand dollars we get a little set up,

1099
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: pre production set up. She like, no go spending stuff.

1100
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: They spent seventy five thousand without batting the eye. That

1101
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: was when the pro tools AGD just came out. We

1102
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: had live skinting there. Dog. We had everything right. And

1103
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: she got it, man, she was with it. She was

1104
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: with the bullshit, you know what I mean? She got it, man.

1105
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: But her husband was just always knowing everything. But he

1106
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: was a smart dude, and I learned a lot from him.

1107
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying because he was one of

1108
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: them dudes. And I asked him one day, Man, do

1109
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: you regret not letting me sign people? He said, well,

1110
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have him before and I ain't got him now,

1111
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: so no, yeah, you know what I'm saying before, I

1112
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: don't have them now, so I don't regret anything. So

1113
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't tripping, but he wound up coming up because

1114
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: I believe they wound up. They wound up selling a

1115
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: portion of their catalog. Dog. I think it might have

1116
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: been Sony or somebody like that. So they wound up

1117
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: and they gave him a job to on top of

1118
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: so he wound up negotiating a good thing. Man. But

1119
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: they was good people though, man, And I think at

1120
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: the time I was pissed off at them because they

1121
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me do certain things, you know, But looking

1122
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: back on it now all to probably handle things way

1123
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: more different. Yeah, some people just they just don't want

1124
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: to reneag that power you get some people you get

1125
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: to trust you, and then some people just don't want

1126
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: to reneak. So it is what it is when it

1127
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: comes to the business. Like I said, if you've been

1128
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: in here and you dealt with this music industry or

1129
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: whatever it's being, you get fucked out a lot of shit.

1130
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: It had me depressed, done a lot of opportunities. And

1131
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: how you depressed it, and how you not wanted to

1132
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: do this shit no more. Like I said, I just

1133
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: had to sit back and just watch the transition. You know,

1134
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: music was turned in, it was going in a different direction.

1135
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: So I didn't even want to be caught up in it.

1136
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: I stayed out the studio and just tried to live

1137
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: normal for a minute. I really went through a depression

1138
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: I went through because you think about it, in a

1139
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: fit of me being over emotional about some shit, I

1140
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: wound up getting fired and they should have fired me

1141
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: because I was being mad disrespectful, you know what I mean.

1142
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: And so I don't lost, you know, a job I

1143
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: was making about a bucks any five every year, you

1144
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, instead of taking the opportunity and

1145
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: going to go possibly get another jobs. When I was

1146
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: working for them, I had a lot of people because

1147
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, I had this success with the ice cream

1148
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: painting job record, so I had different companies like Bug

1149
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: Music and different people like you know, you come over,

1150
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, come over here. And I could have probably

1151
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: went over to Warner Brothers at the time. And I

1152
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: probably should have just played that hand better man and

1153
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: stayed with them and went over because one thing I realized,

1154
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: once you step out the industry, those jobs are no

1155
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: longer available to you once you walked the thing. I

1156
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: should have never stepped off the mountaintop, you know what

1157
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean. I should have stayed in the mountain and

1158
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: just you know, really ingratiated myself to them and say, hey, guys,

1159
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate the opportunity, but I'm gonna go

1160
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: up here and do this now. You know, I stayed

1161
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: in good graces with a man instead of leaving slamming

1162
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: the door, talking all kinds of shit. You know, but

1163
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: that's young shit, you know what I mean. That's young

1164
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: nigga shit. Dog. But I really went through a bad depression, dog,

1165
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: because you don't realize. Dog. You think you're bawling until

1166
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: you stop. That money stopped coming in and you start,

1167
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, kind of falling off. Man.

1168
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: And I went through a really bad depression. Dog. I

1169
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: was fucked up back then, like really fucked up, and

1170
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: thank god I got together. Well. That concludes another episode

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,120
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1173
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,200
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01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,840
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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,320
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01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,120
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01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,120
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