1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: I never told you a productive iHeart radio. I'm I'm 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: in a giddy mood you all because we are once 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: again in the studio in real life, and we are 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: here with a female first celebration with Eves. 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: Welcome Eves in person. Thank you. 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 3: This really feels like a celebration because I don't know 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 3: when the last time we did this in person was. 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: The last celebration. It was after the pandemic. That's where 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: you had the fight with Stuff. They don't want you 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: to know then, even though he didn't know you were 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: having a fight, he didn't know it because he was 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: trying to blank it. He left a passive aggressive post 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: it claim on a studio the fight. Yeah, yeah, we 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: do have a few got a lot of beef. No, 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: we don't even come in like this is a second 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: time we've come in what three years? But yeah, so uh, 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: that was the last time. It was after the pandemic. 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: So we came in and it was slowly right before 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: we moved studios, but we knew what was happening. 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Yes, and I remember Christina came in and I think 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the first times I saw Christina 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: in person. Oh yeah, but the last time, which was 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth episode, I believe we did something like 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: that cheesecake. We're kind of fudging some numbers for apps. 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: Cheesecake and a champagne. And now for this celebration, we 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: have a doughnuts and prosecco, yeah, and a variety of 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: other drinks. 29 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: And now I had a lot of drinks on this table. Yeah, 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: it's a lot of Honestly, I almost had a miss 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: up and it's no surprise because we have a lot 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: of like soda previous drink because we just recorded another episode. 33 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: And then I brought in the no sponsor poppy, the 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: probiotics sodas because I enjoy them. 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, just to clarify for everybody mishap regarding the drinks, 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: I don't want anybody to be concerned about you. 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a chance that we would have been 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: concerned about you, but no, it was almost knocking. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: Over, knocking over with all of the nice equipment which 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: we had to battle for today. 41 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: Yes we have, but battle we did, and UH so 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: thrilled to be celebrating with you. 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: We've got Christina made a lovely background for the hearts 44 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: and stars. I can't take a picture before. We need 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: to take a picture before we leave. We absolutely do 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: you need to take a picture, but first, shall we cheers? Yes? Yes? Uh. 47 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm holding the glass wrong, but that's fine. Well, 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: we no judgment here, right, I mean, honestly, it's not 49 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: even champagne flute. So oh, I guess that's wow. We 50 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: really dropped the ball. Yeah, I'll try to good paper 51 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: cups like that. I saw in there, and I was. 52 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: Like, okay, I'm not refined enough to understand why it 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: makes a difference. 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: Anyway, I think it does. I don't know it does. 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into the the food science 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: person over here. Yeah, don't tell us though we don't 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: even know. I mean to be fair, yeah, bliss of ignorance. Please. 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: It's like a four dollar bottle for a second, I 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: think we're good. Wow, a whole self place. It's okay, 60 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 2: but we enjoy it nonetheless, we do. 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: While last time you were here, Eves for our previous celebration, 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: we talked about female first and kind of our thoughts 63 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: around first in general. I remember going into kind of 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: a deeper conversation about like how history is recorded or 65 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: not recorded. So what were you thinking, how shall we 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: celebrate this fiftieth Perhaps. 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that's different from where 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: we were before, although we were like twenty five and we're. 69 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: In fifty now. 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing to think about how 71 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: there are still so many first being created today. You know, 72 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: so often on the show we talk about people who 73 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: were already passed away, So I like to keep it 74 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: that way because you know, people's legacies change in real 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: time when they're alive. But that doesn't mean that there 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: aren't a lot of cool people who are still doing 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: things that are similar to the achievements that a lot 78 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: of the people in the episodes that we've talked about already. 79 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: So there have been achievements that we've talked about in aviation, 80 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: there have been achievements in authorship, Nobel Prizes, all sorts 81 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: of things, and there are still first happening today. So 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: that is one thing I think we can reflect on 83 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: and thinking about having fifty people that we've talked about 84 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: in so many different fields and it's still happening. 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely. That is one of the things when I look 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: back at all of these episodes eves, because I was 87 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: just going through some of the people we've covered, and 88 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: I love the wide range of things that you cover 89 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: of like here we've got an author, here, we have 90 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: a musician, here, we have a muralist like aviation, all 91 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: of that stuff, And a lot of times it's true. 92 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: Both that. 93 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: You're learning something new about someone who maybe their history 94 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: was erased, but also on top of that, we see 95 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: so many times that they inspire someone else or something else, 96 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: and then there are these new things that are still happening. 97 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of times when on our 98 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: other segments Feminist around the World, we'll come across something 99 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: and people are doing in the environment, for instance, and 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: it's new. Oh, it's completely new. So I do think 101 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: that's important to think about. Is history can feel so 102 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: stagnant first, can feel like how can we not have 103 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: done this first already? But there is so much, so 104 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: much more to discover in both the history. 105 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: And the present future. Yes, yeah, what do you mean? 106 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: N Yeah, I think it's it's kind of it can 107 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: be conflicting to think about first a lot of the 108 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: time because we know that there is a lot of 109 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: context around them, but it's still worthy of celebration and 110 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: I think that it's so easy to get wrapped up 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: in I mean, this is there's so much advancement these 112 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: days is moving at a super fast clip, and things 113 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: are happening exponentially. But I think it's worthy of taking 114 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: a moment to just pause and reflect and think about 115 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: how because it's often surprising when these first happened in history. 116 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: It's like this was the first person to do this, 117 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: and this was only fifty years ago or one hundred years. 118 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: Ago, which wasn't that long ago. 119 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: So I think taking the time to celebrate is a 120 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: very important thing and something that's also important to think 121 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: about in today's context because things do move so quickly. 122 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of times I wonder the people 123 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: we talk about and people who are doing things now, 124 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: if you know you're a first or even like potentially 125 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: a first. I think there are conversations around that in 126 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: our more modern world where things are moving so quickly, 127 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: and then we have the Internet and all that stuff. 128 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: But sometimes when I'm thinking, somebody might have just realized 129 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: a need and just did it. Yeah, And so it's 130 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: interesting to me the idea of someone even now today 131 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: not realize it, Like maybe they're kind of like at 132 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: the forefront, maybe the first. They're like one of the first. 133 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Because I just so many things we talk about it. 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you probably didn't know. 135 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm laughing because I think, I mean, there's a 136 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: lot of a lot more. 137 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: I can't even say more. 138 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: I think, you know, the Internet and social media amplifies 139 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: things a lot of the time. 140 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: But it's funny when you. 141 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: Said a lot of people are probably committing first now 142 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 3: and don't know it. I think there's probably so much 143 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: room for arrogance in it because there are people who 144 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: do know it and right to talk about it. I 145 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: don't know this is I don't know what I was watching. 146 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: I was in some corner of the Internet, probably distracting 147 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: myself from writing Jojo Yojo Jojo? 148 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: What did you see that club? 149 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: If anybody hasn't seen this clip, it was like a 150 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: clip of Jojo see was saying like I'm the first 151 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: queer person or something like that to like switch up 152 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: my style or really come out as I can't remember 153 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: exactly what JoJo's What's it? But it was a wild 154 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: statement that was completely unfounded. It's like as if judges 155 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: ce what had done no research, had no sort of 156 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: wasn't tapped in, wasn't tuned in, was totally yeah, And 157 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: I don't. 158 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: I don't look y'all. 159 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: This is funny coming from me because I don't keep 160 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: up with stuff on the internet like this, you know, 161 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: But I mean I think that it's still something that 162 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: you know, we have to I think that that is 163 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: that actually that moment is a PSA to everyone and 164 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: how they should think about first. Right, No, you can't 165 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: just be out here willy nilly claiming things. Yeah, I mean, 166 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 3: you come from somewhere. The reason that we all are 167 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: doing what we're doing right now, the reason we podcast, 168 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: the reason we have these microphones in front of us, 169 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: like this all comes from somebody being the first person 170 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: to do to do what we do. 171 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: And it's like, you got to check yourself so right before. 172 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: It was probably born from something. But it's kind of 173 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: funny because she has made two kind of eras like that. 174 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: In that also, she took a song that someone else 175 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: had covered and then she got sold the song, so 176 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: and she's like, there's no such thing as stealing and 177 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: by because everybody was accusing her of copying, which you know, 178 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: that's kind of that bigger conversation in general about like 179 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: who was first, who's taking credit for it, and then 180 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: all these things, And she got called out recently for 181 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: that same kind of narrative of like no, no, no, no, no, 182 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm definitely the first one to do this. Oh okay fine, 183 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: I'm definitely the first one to make it big, okay fine, 184 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: like all of these things, trying to take credit for it. 185 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: But she was on that same receiving end with that note. 186 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: So you say that, to be fair, there have been 187 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: some first like that that we've talked about. For sure, 188 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 3: it's been like the first Black American in the fiftieth 189 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: you know, you know, there's been some qualifications on these first. 190 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: Sure, But I think that's that's the other part is 191 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: like there's been qualifications on both sides where that people 192 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: have been haven't been given credit and so having to 193 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: reclaim it in general as were for as like first 194 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: in general. I think it's funny because you know, recently, 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: the I think Ramy Josef was on SNL and he 196 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: was doing the I'm the first Egyptian host, I'm the 197 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: first Muslim host, and then they're like no, no, no, man, 198 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: It's like that was the skin. But that is that's 199 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: kind of like the conversation, but we don't really oftentimes, 200 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: and of course that's archived caveat, like, this is what 201 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: we know for now, this is who they are showing 202 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: on record as being the first. But we know as 203 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: things change or things are being discovered or being like 204 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: credited correctly, that things could be different later down the road. 205 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: But for now, with the big caveat of possibly the first, 206 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: we'll say tentatively their own record as the first. 207 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: Well, this is also interesting too, because we do you 208 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: do typically bring people where the part of the complication 209 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: of covering them is what you can find, like resources, 210 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: people who are doing the research, who have been working 211 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: hard to get to the bottom of these these people 212 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: that we're covering and you know, kind of putting into 213 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: context like when things were written and all of that. 214 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: But now you're introducing like the idea of misinformation and 215 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: disinformation on the internet, and people just like making these claims, 216 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: saying these things over and over again, like that's what 217 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: we've seen in our politics right where they're like, know 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: what you're seeing in front of your face, it's not true. 219 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: So I wonder like in the future and people looking 220 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: back at this, how big of an issue. Is that 221 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: going to be of like getting pulling out the threads 222 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: of what was reality. 223 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: We actually start researching. 224 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's hard because I do have hang 225 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: ups around including these first because of my lack of knowledge, 226 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: which is a thing that I can't help. It's like, 227 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: I don't know every single thing. 228 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: So wait, laate what what huh? Celebration over. 229 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: I had created this whole mythology around myself, you know, 230 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 3: and I just ruined it. 231 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 232 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: No, but I do think about that when I'm doing 233 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: these first because I'm like, you know, really like especially 234 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: like if it's a person, if they had some sort 235 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: of privilege in their society, right, there's a lot of 236 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: the things I think about a lot of the time. 237 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, this person was a part of a 238 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: wealthier class. This person was an aristocrat, they were a socialite, 239 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: They had a lot of access to resources, they had 240 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: a family who came from money, they were born on 241 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: this side of town, or you know. It's some stories 242 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: like that in these first and I wrestle with covering 243 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: those just because generally, I mean, what the things that 244 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 3: I like to talk about, I like to often talk 245 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: about people who are in marginalized spaces, especially in the 246 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: context to first, because you can get really tricky because 247 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: you know, when you have access to resources, it's easier 248 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: for you to discover things, it's easier for you to 249 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: take time to discover things, it's easier for you to 250 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: be able to deally, dally and frolic and you know, experiments. 251 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think about that when I'm looking 252 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: for first and looking in first stories. But it gets 253 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: really tricky because life isn't so black and white. It's 254 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 3: not like just because you have privilege in a certain 255 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: realm of your life doesn't mean you have privileges everywhere. 256 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: And we're talking about women in the first place, and 257 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: in all of these societies that we've talked about in 258 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: what society I don't know is privy to that in 259 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: modern modern, slush modern ish times of women being oppressed. 260 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I. 261 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: Think that when it comes up, I still have to 262 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: push past that because these people still had accomplishments and 263 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: achievements and they're still worth talking about, right And fortunately, 264 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: because scholars have done research already, we get to understand 265 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: more of the context of the societies that they were 266 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: living in, so we can still talk about those things 267 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: as we talk about whatever this first achievement was. 268 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: You know, for us when we do like feminists around 269 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: the world, trying to find new and like more lesser 270 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: known people and not people who have are been credited 271 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: or people being credited for things that are just showy. 272 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: I try not to get celebrities, like there's so many 273 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: when you go into the list of like yeah, top 274 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: like these are environmentalists, and it ends up being celebrities 275 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: who've talked about it, and you're like, that's not the 276 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: same thing. Okay, you know, like you out those moments. 277 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: But for me and I know what I'm trying to research, 278 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: it's a whole process of me going through all the 279 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: Google docs and all the Google searches, and I'm like, 280 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: why do they give me the same things? So I 281 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: do ask because I think you're a little more scholarly 282 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: than I am when it comes to how you pick 283 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: and choose who we talk each month, and where do 284 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: you get this information? Tell me how to research. It's 285 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: usually just when I find a thrill. 286 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: Well I won't say usually, but it's when I find 287 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: a thread in something else I'm researching a lot of 288 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: the time, that's how it comes up. So I will 289 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: be researching one thing, say for on theme, and then 290 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: I'll find something through that and I'll file it to 291 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: the side. 292 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: Maybe there's a first there, maybe there's not. 293 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: Maybe if I dig for something, I find out that 294 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: it's the first, and maybe there's a first there that 295 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: we don't know about too that because that's not my 296 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: quite job. 297 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: I have other things, you know, that I'm doing. 298 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: But there are scholars who do that kind of deep digging, 299 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: and they're going through archives and they find things like that, 300 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: and then we low and behold, we found out that 301 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: thing about this person, and we've uncovered another first. So 302 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: sometimes that's how it happens. 303 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: I also have a book of African American first at 304 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: my house. 305 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: I just have random books with very specific topics in them, 306 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: and this book I got after we started this first series. Yeah, 307 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 3: so that's another way that I come across them. And 308 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 3: then sometimes I'm specifically searching for them. But a lot 309 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: of the time, if you're just there, I only know English, 310 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: so as we've talked about before, that limits me a 311 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 3: lot and when I'm able to dig deeper into but 312 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: sometimes I'll search for them, but then that search has 313 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: to go deeper and deeper, because those lists can be 314 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: very narrow because we're talking about the same first over 315 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: and over, so that is less of how I'm able 316 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: to find them. 317 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure, Like I will find someone who 318 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: did something amazing, but because I don't have enough information, 319 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: or it's very limited information, or it's like a completely 320 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: different language, or I don't have access to it because 321 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: it's from a completely different country. I'm like, it's three 322 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: sentences and that's not enough to fill our second and 323 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: I feel bad because I want to talk about how 324 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: amazing they are. Yeah, but there's just not enough. There's 325 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: not enough. 326 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: And also use books so sometimes, like if I'm traveling, 327 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 3: I like to do that when I'm traveling because the 328 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: information that's available in other cities and other countries might 329 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: will be different, and I get in the places that 330 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: I'm normally used to being in. I was when I 331 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: was in a museum in Zambia and we haven't I 332 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: had a list of zambiing and like South African people 333 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: who I wanted to talk about and learn more about, 334 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: but there's a language barrier there too, and there's resources 335 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: available to me too that I didn't quite have enough 336 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 3: on that are still on my list, maybe if one 337 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: day we get to them. But when I was in 338 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: a museum there it was like first woman to do this, 339 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god. My eyes are 340 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: always peeled for first or just women who seem pioneering 341 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: in somewhere or another. And if I can find a 342 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: way to talk about them, if there is some first 343 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: and all, then I will. But other times I just 344 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: keep those for myself and I get to do my own, 345 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 3: you know, deep dives. 346 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of which, at one point in time, I think 347 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: the beginning of us doing the remote recording, you showed 348 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: us the stack of books that you'd gotten from traveling. 349 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: Oh how far have you gotten to that I started 350 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: for you. 351 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, not super far, because because I had another stack, 352 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 3: another stack, so I just kind of pick and choose 353 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: what I like I want to read depending on what 354 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: I'm into, right, Yeah, So I had to put you 355 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: on the spot in the back of my head. And 356 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: there are some there were some dense ones. There was 357 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 3: like Portuguese history of South Africa from like sixteen hundred 358 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: to seventeen fifty nine, something very specifically. That's not I'm 359 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: not going to get way into historical books from way back, which. 360 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: It's going to it's going to be a minute, all right, 361 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: I will allow it. I guess. 362 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: I do you think that's it's important point to make 363 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: about first, because there are and we talked about this. 364 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: In our life celebration. There are a couple of things 365 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: to keep in mind. 366 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: And I feel like you through the show have helped 367 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: me because there's some that just sound fun, so you're like, Okay, ill, 368 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: this is the first, but you really need to like 369 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: do and to go into the context of it and 370 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: see because sometimes countries just say that because they want 371 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: to claim that they did it, like all kinds of 372 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: things like that. But also if you never go beyond 373 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: like the first, then like for instance, I have to bring. 374 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: It up cicadas. I have to contractually obligated for the cicadas. Actually, 375 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 2: she's just like one giant office. 376 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: It's true, you to the office when you come out 377 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: of hibernation because the cicada bosses have a schedule. 378 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: Thing that's happening. That's right. I can't hold the form 379 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: for long. 380 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: But one of the things I came across was because 381 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I was of course looking for an angle about this, 382 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: was that for a long time people have been saying 383 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: the first person to discover these two different types of 384 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: cicadas were these two dudes. Guess what it wasn't but 385 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: there because it's kind of a fun fact. You just 386 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: say it and then you don't go beyond it. But 387 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: actually people have known for a while like you do, 388 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: like even the most minute, like wait a minute, it 389 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: wasn't before I hit it, but. 390 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: The cicadas are named after them. 391 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: But so it's always worth keeping those questions in mind, 392 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: and even that who knows. She again, she was just like, 393 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: look at these cool cicadas. I think there might be 394 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: two different ones. 395 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 3: And she wasn't thinking about claiming authorship or ownership of 396 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: that thing too, and think you also have to consider 397 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: that as part of it. 398 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, because going back to your point there, there are 399 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: a lot of first that I'm like, you got you 400 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: just wanted to do this like very specific thing so 401 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: that people would be like, oh, yes, right to do that. 402 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: Yes, Aguinness World Records. People do the most interesting things 403 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: to be the world record. Hold. 404 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was watching the woman who held a plank 405 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: for like four and a half hours, five hours? 406 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: Did you watch four and a half hours? 407 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: No? 408 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: Okay, I was like that. 409 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: I can't admit, but streamed it. I was just watching, 410 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: probably cleaning and watching. 411 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: It into videos, okay, that one. Like You're a mystery 412 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: to me, so I don't know what will hold your 413 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: attention sometimes, like I'm discovering new things about you every 414 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: time I feel like we get together. I wouldn't be 415 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: above watching four hours. I don't think very impressed. I think, yeah, 416 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: you'd watch just to see if it was happening, how long, 417 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: doing a whole countdown four and encouraging her from far away? Yes, 418 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 2: from like whatever the streaming Wait, do y'all leave comments 419 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: on videos that you watch? Are y'all commentary? No? No, 420 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: that was I was just wondering, waiting, traumatized by all 421 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: the comments that we get, like even the good ones, 422 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: I'm scared of them. So leaving a comment myself unless 423 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 2: it's informative, truly informative, then I'm not or something I'm 424 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: very knowledgeable about. 425 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I was just thinking about this recently. 426 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a paranoid Internet person, even though I 427 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: know it doesn't matter and they're spying at me or whatever, 428 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: but I'm very like trying to leave behind as little 429 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: footprints as possible. So as part of that is I 430 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: don't comment. I will say, I mean, get out your 431 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: bingo card. Also with fan fiction, that's the time I 432 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: really feel like I want to comment, but I don't. 433 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: But I do feel the urge because I'm like, love this. Also, 434 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: you're leaving a giant footprint with your fan fiction I know. Okay, yeah, 435 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: but that's under a pseudonym. Yes, yeah, but again easy 436 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: to find. I haven't tried yet. Give me no dope. 437 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: I do not no comments. 438 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way, I feel bad about it though, 439 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm not engaging, especially if it's like 440 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: the creator that I like, you not gonna get it 441 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 3: from me, so you're gonna have to get it from 442 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: somebody else. 443 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: No validation from me. Sorry, No, I don't know. It's 444 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: probably because we do so many and you have so 445 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: much on your plate. But do you have not an 446 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: idea or a plan, but like thoughts of what you 447 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 2: want to do for future episodes with us? 448 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: I do I have a whole bunch of episodes in 449 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: the can that like like ideas for topics. 450 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: I'll say episodes in the can that I would like 451 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: to do. 452 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: Okay, I would say in general. As I said earlier, 453 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: I love the synchronized drinking happening. 454 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: You got to plan your moments. 455 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them are ones I have that I'd 456 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: like to do more research on before bringing them to 457 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: the table. I will say that we were talking earlier 458 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: about how sometimes I find these ideas from what I'm 459 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 3: doing episodes for other things. So I've been for on 460 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: theme obviously on thing we talked about black storytelling, So 461 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: I've been focused on a lot of black. 462 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: People in history lately. 463 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 3: But I would like to really broaden that to start 464 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 3: talking about people from more places. I think we need 465 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 3: more people from the African continent. I think we need 466 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: more people from the Asian continent. I feel like we've 467 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: had some people from Central and South America, so but 468 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: I would still, of course love to keep touching on that. 469 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 3: And then indigenous history. I think Indigenous American history. We've 470 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: talked talked about Aboriginal history, was Ugaru New Knuckle before, 471 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: but I think that I would love to touch on 472 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: more Indigenous American history because that's super important. And then 473 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: I think that there is one thing that has come 474 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 3: up for me, but it's I think there's a difference 475 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: between certain firsts that we focus on in the show, 476 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: Like sometimes it's like the first time someone has accomplished 477 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 3: something or done something. Sometimes it's the first time that 478 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 3: they've they ended up being the first person to do that, 479 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: and they weren't really trying to go for an accomplishment. 480 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't like a milestone per se. So some of 481 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: them that I have on here are some like that. 482 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of them that I'm interested 483 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: in doing, but I don't know if they will actually 484 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 3: work out. So I'll tell you some of what these 485 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: first are. I will say that I'm interested in talking 486 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: about the first Black American nun to serve in Georgia. 487 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: Also the first inductee into the International Circus Hall of Fame, 488 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: because we haven't talked about the circus yet, But you know, 489 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: I like things like that, so I'm interested in that one. 490 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 3: And then there are quite a few that I have 491 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 3: been I don't know. It's another thing that that comes 492 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: up for me is the focus on Western first is 493 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: what comes up a lot. So it'll be like the 494 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 3: first person who is not an American, like who is 495 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: of a different nationality to study something or get a 496 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 3: degree in the United States or get a Western education 497 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: or a Western degree. And while these people are that 498 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: accomplishment is still an interesting one, and it's still one 499 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 3: that matters for the work that they were doing. Centering 500 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: it around the fact that it's the accomplishment is because 501 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: it was from Western is a little It's definitely problematic. 502 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: So I think, of course we have space, we have 503 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: enough minutes to talk about that in an episode, but 504 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: I'm wary of choosing those in the first place. But 505 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: there are quite a few people I have on the 506 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: list that are like that, and there is a lot 507 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: of are a lot of accomplishments around degrees in other 508 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: countries as well, like the first female medical school graduate 509 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: in the Dominican Republic. We have the founder of the 510 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: first hospital in Montreal, the first female physician to practice 511 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 3: in Canada, the person who created the first primary school 512 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: for Indonesian girls. So those are some that I'm interested 513 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: in doing. Can't promise if all of those will come 514 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: up in future episodes, right well. 515 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: I will say we do have a pretty I think 516 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: good base in Canada of listeners. We are growing in 517 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: our listeners from South Korea. I'm like, what, very excited 518 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: about that, also nervous why are you nervous because so 519 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: many things as a whole episode in itself. But I 520 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: think we have a pretty good base of listeners from 521 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: Brazil too, because when we had that transition where we 522 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: have our episodes translated into Portuguese, right, that happened, So 523 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: we have a pretty good like international listenership. So yeah, 524 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: in Australia too. We have got a lot of listenership 525 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: in Australia, and I say, low, there could be three, 526 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: thank you to three. I think a few from New Zealand, 527 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: but I think we get more from Australia, like emails 528 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: and such. But so I know that would be amazing. 529 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: I know when people get excited. I think we talked 530 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: about Canadian activists before and we've gotten like some responses, 531 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: though I know people would love to hear all that. 532 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated, you know, when it comes to my 533 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: Asian peoples, and yes I say Asian because way back 534 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: when they were all wanted a large territory fighting each other. 535 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: We know this, So finding that history out is always 536 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: fascinating to me. I feel like, yeah, there it is. 537 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not pretty and I'm like, no, just kidding, 538 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: talk about that. But like it is. It feels like 539 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: that representation even though it's so far removed in some 540 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: way for me, especially, so like when we talk about 541 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: these different types of first, I think it is important 542 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: that we do talk about the fact that when it's 543 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: so focused in being like western is the upheld standard, 544 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: which as I've been watching more and more K drama 545 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: and a few of them being good, Yeah, we're doing 546 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: We're making sure we have the medical episodes. But like 547 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised and I didn't really think 548 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: about it because we do watch most things in the 549 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: US based in the US, how many uh, English terms 550 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: are used for their medical profession, even in like South Korea, 551 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: And so you'll hear procedures that are said in English 552 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, okay, because it hasn't been you know, 553 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: it was practiced over here first or and or made 554 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: famous or claimed by people of English origin. So it 555 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: is interesting to hear that, like okay, to have that 556 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: flip and to seeing why they think it is more 557 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: important or because of how it was upheld to be 558 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: that way, because that has been the standard for some 559 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: practices like the medical field. But I find that stuff 560 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: interesting because you do wonder why it is not wonder 561 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: I kind of know. Obviously we all like colonization. Yeah, 562 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: but like that's the end all of the conversations. But 563 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: like why it is seen as the bigger price or 564 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: the bigger accomplishments. 565 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And the on that note, it's when there 566 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: are first for other people in other countries. It's often 567 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: what we have a record of is often from people 568 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: who are still alive, right, because it's because of what 569 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: is recorded, because of what I have access to, and 570 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: because of the resources people have had in some countries 571 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: that may be still developing. 572 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: So I think that makes it difficult too. 573 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: But then that doesn't mean that I shouldn't cover those things, right, 574 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: you know, It just means that I have to do 575 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: more work to be able to find those things out. 576 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: Not like it's a burden. 577 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: It's just that I need to do my work, like 578 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 3: I have a job to do, and if I'm invested 579 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 3: in making sure that I highlight people from all places, 580 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: no matter what we consider development, Obviously, the word developed 581 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: is also a loaded word. I'm just using it for 582 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: lack of a better term right now, because just because 583 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 3: people don't have freaking what's something we have smart lights 584 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: with colors that you can like yell at and they 585 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 3: turn on. 586 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that place is it hard to develop 587 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: most of the time. Anyway, you have to connect to 588 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: Everything has to have a special have an app controls. 589 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry these things to. 590 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: Japan and South Korea have it together. In that note, 591 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure China does too. But I've seen more like 592 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: products and like the smart homes, they're going to be 593 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: the first to be in trouble when everything goes awrong 594 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: a right, you know. 595 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: But not to say yes, I've seen a smart house 596 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: on Disney Channel. 597 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: I've seen it on TikTok, and I'm like, why do 598 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: you even need this? But maybe want to. Like the 599 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: towel warmers, why do you need this? But I want to? Yeah, 600 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 2: those towel warmers. Do you have one? No? 601 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: I don't, but they look luxurious. There was in France. 602 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: I think when I was in France that there the. 603 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: Days people are going anyway, all that. Wow, we really appreciate. 604 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, we appreciate modern technological We appreciate you. 605 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: I obviously don't complaining about the technologies more so than no, 606 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: we appreciate that you bring all these people to us, 607 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: because I think half the time I always talk about 608 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: the fact that this should be a movie. This needs 609 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: to be at least a lifetime movie. Somebody not to be. 610 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: To be is not good. I don't think to I 611 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: don't think to be. They don't do well. 612 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: Oh Mike has the good bad horror movies though. 613 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they really bad acted oh perfectly. Yeah. Last 614 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: time was kind of like it's like one step up, 615 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: I think, but no, because like I don't know, I 616 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: didn't know about these things, and some of the big 617 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: first and some of the big at least like the 618 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: impact that they had. It may not have been the first, 619 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: but they were the first for a group of people 620 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: who did not have the opportunity, and so it opened 621 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: up to oh, you can do this, so can I 622 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: type of conversations, which is kind of the conversations we've had. 623 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 2: It's like, it's not necessarily the fact that they may 624 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 2: have been the very first. Most of the time it 625 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: probably is, and they just weren't credited and we're not 626 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: finding that out, or there's a debate about it, and 627 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 2: it has to be a debate. But half the time 628 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: it's more of like there is representation to show that 629 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 2: it is possible that this did happen, and we have 630 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: to credit that as a like a foundation or a 631 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: building block to showing that there needs to be more opportunity. 632 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: What could happen? What if more opportunity was given and 633 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: not just for those who have connections, which is the 634 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: absurd part. 635 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so much wouldn't have happened. And in 636 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 3: the first that we talked about. 637 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: If those connections weren't there, right. 638 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: Like sometimes it was like, well, I had this teacher 639 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 3: who was willing to write a recommendation for me, and 640 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 3: no women were getting into these schools back then, but 641 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 3: I did because I had this male teacher who could 642 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: do it for me. And so even if those connections 643 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: weren't rooted in like some sort of overt societal privilege, 644 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: it was just like proximal privilege. Right then, it was 645 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 3: still you know, privilege. 646 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: Right And yeah, that's a conversation like people don't want 647 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: to have it is like privilege does not just mean 648 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: one thing, and people get really upset by that word, 649 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 2: Like I absolutely had the privilege. I would not have 650 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 2: this job had it not been for my friends, Like 651 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: i'd Caroline really helped me to get into this world. 652 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: Annie trusted me enough not to make a fool of us, 653 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: to be a part of this world, which has been 654 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: a whole Like I would have never been a part 655 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: of this This would never Podcasting was not a thing 656 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: to me. It was like, what are you doing? Talk 657 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: about things? But I don't understand. Of course, we know 658 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 2: it's much bigger than that, and in the conversation and 659 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: it's a lot of work, and y'all we but y'all 660 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: put in a lot of work to make a show successful. 661 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: The people who were before us, the hosts that were 662 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 2: before us, the producers that were before us, they did 663 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: a lot of work. But I also understand had I 664 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: not had these connections, have the privilege of knowing these people, 665 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: I would not be sitting here drinking champagne scoo with you. 666 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, people see privilege as a dirty word, but it's 667 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 3: often toimes just the reality of our lives. So hey, 668 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 3: it is And speaking of all these people that we 669 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 3: talked about, Just because I don't know if people are 670 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 3: jumping in on this episode and they've never heard another 671 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 3: episode of Female First before, just know that this segment 672 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 3: of Female First that we've been doing for many years 673 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 3: each time we focused on one. 674 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: In the early days, we. 675 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 3: Had a couple of double episodes, but on one person 676 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 3: in history who had some sort of first they were 677 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 3: pioneering in some way. But some of those people, I'll 678 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: give you some examples were Harriet E. Wilson, who was 679 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: the first Black American to publish a novel. We also 680 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: talked about Gabriela Mistral, she was the first Latin American 681 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 3: author to get a Nobel Prize in literature. We talked 682 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 3: about Bun Jao, who was considered the first female Chinese historian. 683 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 3: We talked about Aurora Rays who you mentioned earlier, who 684 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: was the first female muralist in Mexico. And we also 685 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 3: talked about Wanghai moved to Mathai, who was the first 686 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 3: African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize. So those 687 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 3: are just a few of the episodes that we've done 688 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: before on the show, and there. 689 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 2: Are many others that you can listen to. Yes, and 690 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: we especially, I especially love the ones with the diaries, 691 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 2: like when you get to see like their perspective and 692 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: you ring those out like yes, I okay. 693 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: So because y'all know, every time we come with diaries 694 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: and quotes and letters that I always talk about how 695 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: much I like them, Like, I just couldn't help myself 696 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: and did an episode on Black Women's Diaries on one theme, 697 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: which is the other podcast that I do that's about 698 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 3: black storytelling, and yeah, that's I think that's very I'm 699 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 3: glad you brought that up, Samantha, because it is very 700 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 3: integral in these first because, as we know, history is 701 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: often written biopressors a lot of the time. That colors 702 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 3: the perspective that we get to read when we're reading 703 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: people's biographies and essays and articles that have been written 704 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 3: on them. That's why we like to read scholar's work 705 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 3: because they often do more in death research. They're digging 706 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 3: through the archives themselves. But of course they still have 707 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 3: their own perspectives. But when we get to read somebody's 708 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 3: own first person narrative, we get to see things from 709 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 3: their own view. It gives us a different perspective because 710 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 3: we get to understand how they thought and how they 711 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: felt about what their accomplishments were. We oftentimes see them 712 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 3: working in real times. We can see the dated these 713 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: entries that are dated, even though sometimes the dates are wrong. 714 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 3: Sometimes the dates are wrong. Sometimes I get them wrong, 715 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 3: And I think about that when I'm writing my journal. 716 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess you get it. Yeah, things are 717 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: all over the place of my journals. 718 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 3: But anyway, we get to see it from their perspectives, 719 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 3: and that offers just a more rich view of that 720 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 3: person's life and of their accomplishment. So we don't just 721 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 3: have to think about it as this is a first 722 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 3: in history, and they did this first, and they achieved this, 723 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 3: and they were a pioneer in their fields. 724 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: We see a lot. 725 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: More of the nuance and the soft spaces between the 726 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 3: lines of these hard biographies that we get to read. 727 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: We get to understand how they had struggles and what 728 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 3: their first were because if we're reading these first, it 729 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 3: can be like hey, geography, Like we're like, oh, they 730 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: were amazing and doing this thing and they didn't have 731 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 3: any struggles, or like, you know, they were impervious to 732 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 3: bad things, all that things that wasn't the case. And 733 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 3: you can see people work through those things in their 734 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: journal entries and lie and sometimes tell the truth. Yeah, 735 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 3: all of those things that unreliable narrator does. I do 736 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 3: love that because it paints like that has come up 737 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 3: a lot too. Sometimes someone will paint a story of themselves, 738 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 3: like almost a myth of themselves. But the diary is 739 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 3: great because in theory, no one's gonna read it right 740 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 3: in theory, so it is really fascinating to get that 741 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 3: behind the scenes look. And I have to say, Eves, 742 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 3: I love going back to Samantha's point. I feel like 743 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 3: you tell such a great story. So it is like 744 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 3: not just your dry this is what this person did. 745 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: It's like this is what they. 746 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: Did, but this was their whole life, like they were 747 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: so much more than this one thing that people are 748 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: just saying over and over again, perhaps on the internet. 749 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 2: So you do a great. 750 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: Job and we love having you. Here's the fifty more episodes. 751 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: Is there anything else you wanted to touch on before 752 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: we close out? Eves, No, I think that's it. Cheers 753 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: fifty more. Who knows what we'll get next time. 754 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm excited, Well, the preview, I'm very excited. 755 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh gosh, we've learned so much over 756 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: these and also it is fun. I always hesitate to 757 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: do this because I feel like I've improved so much 758 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: over time. But if you go back and listen to 759 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: the first female first we used to do like we 760 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: would have our own first at the end. 761 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 2: Remember that what happened? Wait what happened? Remember we would 762 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 2: do at the end. 763 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: It would be like the you would give a first 764 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: your life and I would do one and you would 765 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: do one? 766 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: What that me? Yeah? Remember because you were doing like 767 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 2: episodes before me. Right, I'm pretty sure you were there 768 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,840 Speaker 2: because we were talking about the Carrio. It wasn't Karacus 769 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: talent shows, like anyway, how do you do that? I 770 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: can't listen. I can't listen to my past self. I 771 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: can't listen to the present self. Half the time we 772 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 2: have to That was seriously literally every day struggle with all. 773 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 2: It is so one point speed. I can listen to 774 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: myself that way, kind of like a ChIL. 775 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: Oh my well, listeners, if you would like to go back, 776 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: it is there and it is kind of funny. Well, Eves, 777 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you so much for coming in, 778 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: for being here, for these fifty episodes. 779 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 2: For everything you do here. Yes, where can the good 780 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 2: listeners find you? 781 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 3: Y'all can find me on Instagram at not Apologizing. Y'all 782 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 3: can also find me on many many more episodes of 783 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 3: stuff I've never told you doing female first, So listen 784 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 3: to all of those. You can also find me at 785 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 3: Eves Jeffcoat dot com. And you can also find me 786 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 3: on the other podcast called On Theme that's about black 787 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 3: storytelling and all its forms that I co host with 788 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 3: Katie Mitchell. And if you want to follow us on 789 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 3: social media, you can also follow us on Instagram at 790 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 3: on Theme Show and check us out on our website 791 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 3: at on Theme dot Show. 792 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: Yes, do all of that, listeners if you have not already, yes, 793 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 1: well we have. 794 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: Fifty more episodes to look forward to. I'm so excited. 795 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, listeners, If you would like to 796 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: contact us, you can our emails Stephanie and mom Stuff 797 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia dot com, combine us on Twitter at mom 798 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: Stuff podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff on 799 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: Never Told You. We're else on YouTube just saying we 800 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: have a tea public store and we have a book 801 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: you can get wherever you get your books. 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