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Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 2: It's a very quote account of now sessions. But it's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: November seven, election day. But instead of getting up early

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Speaker 2: to vote for local school board candidates, our team has

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Speaker 2: gotten all gussied up for court.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, count.

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Speaker 4: You're on the record the matter of State and Roly

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Speaker 4: versus Lee ads at All and plains UITs.

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Speaker 1: Things look a little different from when the YSL trial

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Speaker 1: started ten months ago. For one thing, even though the

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Speaker 1: trial is still called Georgia versus Khalif Adams. Khalif Adams,

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Speaker 1: who was listed first alphabetically, is no longer a co defendant.

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Speaker 1: His case was severed from the Rico trial after prosecutors

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Speaker 1: fouled a motion claiming his lawyer could no longer represent

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Speaker 1: him because of her impending parental leave. In other words,

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Speaker 1: they found out she was pregnant. Same thing happened with

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Speaker 1: Timquarius Mender.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, el Co defendants have pleaded guilty in exchange for

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Speaker 2: reduced sentences, and still others were severed because of alleged

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Speaker 2: misconduct in jail and in one case, untreated mental illness.

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Speaker 2: Of the twenty eight defendants were once crammed into the

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Speaker 2: wood paneled walls of this courtroom with their legal teams,

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Speaker 2: just six.

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Speaker 1: Remained Shannon's Stillwelliams, Jeffrey Williams aka Young Thug, Diamante Kendrick

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Speaker 1: aka Yacht Gotti.

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Speaker 2: Marquavius Hughey, Larvius Nichols, and Rodalius Little Rod Ryan. The

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Speaker 2: proceedings have roe non stop since January, but it's been

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Speaker 2: a minute since we've been in the courtroom. He was

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Speaker 2: a while back when we were kicked out.

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Speaker 1: Despite having a valid Rule twenty two, a document signed

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Speaker 1: by the judge that grants us permission to sit in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom and cover the trial, we have been barred

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Speaker 1: from entering.

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Speaker 2: So we've sued to fight our way back in Okay.

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Speaker 2: In the matter of the quart Taker, I have scheduled

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Speaker 2: the me and not very much. Frances Quo Matine so On,

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Speaker 2: George Chid, Tommy Andres, Christina Lee and Sylvia an artist captains.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm George Cheeny and I'm Christina Lee, and this

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Speaker 5: is King Slime.

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Speaker 1: The prosecution of Young Thug and ya So Fulton County

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Speaker 1: Courthouse in downtown Atlanta feels like the center of the

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Speaker 1: Rico universe. Right now.

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Speaker 4: It was a busy day at the Fulton County Courthouse

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Speaker 4: is dozens of activists faced a judge for the first time.

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Speaker 1: The day before hearing across the building in Courtroom four

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Speaker 1: e sixty one defendants were formally charged with domestic terrorism

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Speaker 1: for their efforts to stop the construction of a ninety

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Speaker 1: million dollar police training facility in Atlanta that protesters call

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Speaker 1: cop City, kicking off the largest trial against environmental protesters

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Speaker 1: in American history.

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Speaker 6: I believe in and I value election integrity.

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Speaker 2: One week earlier that Jenna Ellis became the fourth defendant

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Speaker 2: to plead guilty in the Rico trial against former President

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and eighteen others accused of interfering with the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty presidential election.

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Speaker 7: How was fleety guilty to one of aiding and abetting

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Speaker 7: false statements and writing?

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Speaker 5: Who sentenced probation has to pay restitution and perform community.

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Speaker 1: Service and The RICO trial against Ray Shawn Bennett aka

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Speaker 1: the Rapper Wife, and Lucci, along with eleven other co defendants,

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Speaker 1: was supposed to start earlier this year, but has been delayed.

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Speaker 1: Bennet's attorney says after more than two years in custody,

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Speaker 1: they are still waiting for a potential trialtad.

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Speaker 2: Because of all of this. While we're sitting in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom on November seventh, and screams and commotions suddenly send

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Speaker 2: sheriffs running for the halls, and the prosecutor so whisked

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Speaker 2: away to a protective area. We aren't sure what to

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Speaker 2: expect this man places start, please be seid. I chase

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Speaker 2: the sheriff's deputies out of the courtroom and into the hall.

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Speaker 2: When the commotion begins, turns out two people are in

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Speaker 2: a fight on the elevator. I see one being pinned

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Speaker 2: to the ground and coughed for a scuffle apparently unrelated

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Speaker 2: to any of the these cases. But the wave of

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Speaker 2: panic that silences the courtroom is proof that this building

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Speaker 2: is a powder keg that could explode with the smallest spark.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, our lawyer is able to successfully argue our readmittance

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Speaker 1: into court, and just in time too. After ten months,

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Speaker 1: a jury of twelve has been selected. It consists of

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Speaker 1: seven black women, two black men, two white women, and

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Speaker 2: I said to see when you all came in months

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Speaker 2: and months ago. Thank you for your patience and your

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Speaker 2: continued patients that you have otherwise given us an additional

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Speaker 2: three black women, one black man, and two white men

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Speaker 2: our alternates. The same week of our hearing, Judge Glanville

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Speaker 2: route that lyrics can be used in the trial and

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Speaker 2: the basis for prosecutor's argument should sound familiar. In emotion

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Speaker 2: filed the week before, the DA's office wrote, according to

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Speaker 2: the defense's argument, had the Turner diaries been read with

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Speaker 2: Fannie Willis made that same case to us months prior.

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Speaker 8: What I tell you is if you wrote a manifesto

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Speaker 8: and then did those acts.

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Speaker 6: That's good evidence.

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Speaker 1: There's no different because you put a beat behind it.

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Speaker 1: We mentioned at the top of the show that the

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Speaker 1: number of y CEL defendants have been whittled down to six.

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Speaker 1: As Christopher Sperry from the DA's office told us, this

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Speaker 1: woodling down has all been part of the prosecution's plan.

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Speaker 9: When I'm looking also at deals, one of the things

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Speaker 9: is not necessarily always who pulled the trigger? What is

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Speaker 9: the culpability and the age of the defendants, and who

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Speaker 9: can I remove from this equation? And this does not happen.

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Speaker 2: So are these the six defendants who cannot be removed

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Speaker 2: from the equation. It's sort of hard to.

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Speaker 1: Say, but in this episode we are going to focus

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Speaker 1: on one of the first and definitely most famous defendant

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Speaker 1: to cut a deal and plead guilty in exchange for

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Speaker 1: no jail time, Sergio Kitchens, also known as Gonna. In

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Speaker 1: December twenty twenty two, just hours after Gunna negotiated a

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Speaker 1: plea deal that led to his release from Fulton County Jail,

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Speaker 1: a video of exactly how that negotiation went down leaked

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Speaker 1: on social media.

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Speaker 10: I would you affiliated with whyl around two thousand and sixteen?

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Speaker 10: Is that true as it pertains to use use your kiss?

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Speaker 10: Why cel is a music label and a game and

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Speaker 10: you have personal knowledge that members are associated with HYSL

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Speaker 10: have committee primes and partiments of the game.

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Speaker 3: Isue?

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Speaker 1: That video quickly sparked fraud discussions over whether that Alfred

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Speaker 1: plea was an act of betrayal where Gunna snitched on

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Speaker 1: his biggest connections to the music industry.

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Speaker 10: And do you acknowledge the following statement, I recognize the

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Speaker 10: steps and deep leary bread that my talent and music

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Speaker 10: and directly further why sell the game to the detriment

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Speaker 10: of my community.

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Speaker 5: Why sell as a gang must get?

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Speaker 8: Is that your statement or acknowledgment?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Gunna's acceptance in hip hop was put to question by

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Speaker 1: some of his own industry peers, including Chicago rapper and

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Speaker 1: past collaborator Little Dirk.

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Speaker 2: If you were right, you are right.

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Speaker 6: I looked into the camera and I told you if

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Speaker 6: you were rit I fucking h I love it too.

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Speaker 1: It what's life been like for the second most famous

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Speaker 1: rapper and the YSL crew since he walked out of

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Speaker 1: Race Street. In order to understand the answer to that question,

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Speaker 1: you got to start at the beginning. In August twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: an editor from pop magazine Double XL reaches out asking

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Speaker 1: if I will write a profile on Gonna. Music journalists

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Speaker 1: were curious to learn more about this rap newcomer who

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Speaker 1: many first heard on the song Floyd Mayweather from Young

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Speaker 1: Thug's twenty sixteen album. Jeffrey signed on that with.

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Speaker 11: Bone bbs is hit on that Gnack.

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Speaker 12: All of a sudden, Thugs sounded kind of weird, and

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Speaker 12: then I came to figure out that there was a

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Speaker 3: It wasn't Thug, it was Gonna.

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Speaker 1: That's Atlanta based music journalist Joshua Robinson. I met him

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Speaker 1: through our mutual friend Yo, co founder of documentary studio

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Speaker 1: Rap Portraits.

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Speaker 8: I thought the name was kind of silly, and I

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Speaker 8: also feel like his rap style was thug light.

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Speaker 6: I got the real Thug, and he.

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Speaker 8: Wasn't as like a clectic as thug to me, Like

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Speaker 8: he wasn't doing the same kind of runs, and he

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Speaker 8: wasn't necessarily as experimental.

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Speaker 1: Journalists like Yo and Joshua would argue that the biggest

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Speaker 1: testament to Young Thug's growing influence on rap was Gunna himself.

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Speaker 12: So a lot of the young young artists who had

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Speaker 12: like right on the cusp of twenty twenty, I would

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Speaker 12: argue that they are all like young Thugs kids from

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Speaker 12: like vocal inflections, like from even the howling and just

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Speaker 12: the crazy stuff that Young Thug would do with his voice,

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Speaker 12: Like you could see that kind of emulated everyone kind

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Speaker 1: The comparison makes sense. They're both by products of Atlanta

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Speaker 1: South Side, and they shared a mentor in Keith Troup,

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Speaker 1: who Gonna told me was an uncle like figure in

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Speaker 1: the community. Thug and Gunna met during the making of

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Speaker 1: a music video released in twenty sixteen for a song

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Speaker 1: that Young Thug made in Troops Honored. Looking at the

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Speaker 1: music video, now you think that Young Thug and Gunna

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Speaker 1: were old friends, and the first scene featuring the two

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Speaker 1: the time. A couple months after the King Trout video drops,

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Speaker 1: Young Thug would release Jeffrey, and that fall of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Gunna releases his first mixtape as a YSL Records artist,

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Speaker 1: called Drip Season. There's maybe a handful of times on

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Speaker 1: that project where Gunna speaks to life on the streets.

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Speaker 1: The most overt reference is in the intro song out

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Speaker 1: of Sight, out of Mind.

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest.

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Speaker 11: I ever saw it A kiss.

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Speaker 1: A verse like that sticks out today because some of

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Speaker 1: Gunna's peers accuse him of turning into a snitch during

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Speaker 1: the YSL trial.

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Speaker 4: With Gunna, I don't know too much of his personal

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Speaker 4: background story.

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Speaker 1: Albany Beza is a hairstylist in Columbia, Missouri, But to

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Speaker 4: Seemed like his early music he was kind of telling

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Speaker 4: the story of like where he's came from and how

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Speaker 4: a lot of that still kind.

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Speaker 6: Of shows up.

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Speaker 4: And even though he's trained, like now he's his famous,

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Speaker 4: people know on he has money, like a lot of

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Speaker 4: his life circumstances have changed, but I think that he

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Speaker 4: still kind of was like partaking in things that he

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Speaker 4: was doing before he had the fame and the money

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Speaker 4: and all of that, and like how it I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he ever really transitioned out of it.

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Speaker 1: If there's a song off Drip Season that epitomizes how

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Speaker 1: Gunn's music would go mainstream, it's caught Me a Foreign

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Speaker 1: once again. He features Young Thug, which is a flex

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Speaker 1: and a music genre where high profile features are major currency.

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Speaker 1: But he also speaks directly to his biggest interest as

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Speaker 1: a rap artist, which isn't necessarily the hardship and hustle

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Speaker 1: that drives a lot of hip hop songs, but the

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Speaker 1: rewards of such hard work.

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Speaker 4: So I can sold out dates and ready, Like he's

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Speaker 4: talking about a lot about like the fame that he's had.

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Speaker 4: But those two first came to my mind of like

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Speaker 4: some of his older music where he was just talking

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Speaker 4: about like the new lifestyle change so that he has

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Speaker 4: just like the fame and the money and all the

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Speaker 4: grab that he came into now that he's an artist.

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Speaker 6: Gun is cool. I'll give it that.

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Speaker 1: Then Gonna seem to thrive most off being a trendsetter,

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Speaker 1: At the top of twenty twenty two, Gunnahead yet another

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Speaker 6: What you'll learn is that.

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Speaker 4: You have to just released with Sergio Kitchen's formula is

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Speaker 3: It's around the globe.

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Speaker 5: It's called pushing P and it's positivity.

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Speaker 3: It means any circumstance you're in, if you think positively

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post described this desperation to be as hip

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Speaker 7: The Atlanta rap scene is the most dominant rap scene

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Speaker 1: Nearly one year after the song took off, when news

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Speaker 2: Is pushing please.

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Speaker 8: If you're on Twitter, you kind of notice the first

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Speaker 8: That was a rough day on Twitter. That was a

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Speaker 8: It looked like Julius Caesar getting stabbed by Brutus.

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Speaker 8: Shakespeare could not have written a more tragic story than

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Speaker 1: He's stressed that nothing Gunna said during negotiations could be

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Speaker 6: For public opinion.

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Speaker 8: You'll need to go to law school to tweet about

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Speaker 8: Like there's a savvy to how you can pay something

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Speaker 1: It's September ninth, twenty twenty three, Jordan Rose is heading

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Speaker 7: I tried to come in with as low as exportations

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Speaker 1: As a staff writer a complex Jordan has a broad

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Speaker 1: He was paying attention when Gunna was charged with conspiring

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Speaker 7: I can't wait to show we're a black field and

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Speaker 7: now then I'll free.

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Speaker 9: I run if you have almost wanted man.

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Speaker 1: In joy not to a private jet like the one

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Speaker 1: Atlanta artist, Quevo to celebrate his release, but to accusations

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Speaker 1: In one video, you see a bystander tossing wrapped slices

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Speaker 1: a clubgoer shows a nightclub that's playing when a Gunna

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The man shooting the video loudly claims the club came

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Speaker 6: Through the speakers.

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Speaker 1: Then there were the critics on podcasts and radio shows.

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Speaker 2: You're not meaning guilty to a rico right, You're not

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Speaker 6: That's a fact problem.

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Speaker 1: So this also wasn't the first time that hip hop

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Speaker 1: What he had done. Just felt that blatant on's gonna

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Speaker 7: Nowhere know how in the transcript the Sonava foot typing

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Speaker 7: it up, did they say yes and we are a gang?

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Speaker 2: They did?

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Speaker 12: They denied that, denied, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny.

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Speaker 1: But Joshua Robinson, the journalist from Atlanta, remembers how that

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Speaker 12: You have YSL affiliates like Lil got It, who's not

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Speaker 1: Low got It is an artist signed to Alamo Records,

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Speaker 1: Yes Gunna. When Gunna left Fulton County Jail, Low got

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Speaker 1: It charged him on Instagram with betraying quote unquote family.

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Speaker 12: So when Gunna gets out, there's like either no like

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Speaker 1: On Funk is Young Thug's older brother, Quantavias career. He's

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Speaker 12: It's very, very much so just this petty, petty like

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Speaker 1: What didn't help matters was the apparent disconnect between Young

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Speaker 8: Here's Yo at the time. Thug was still using Twitter

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Speaker 1: I have to mention the most bizarre example. One year

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Speaker 1: Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps asking whether he could quote swim

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Speaker 6: He was casually.

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Speaker 8: Tweeting, and when Gunn got out, his tweets stopped a

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Speaker 8: So Thug's quietness just made the issue louder.

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Speaker 1: For two consecutive weeks. In June twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 1: where he accused Da Fani Willis of doing some quote

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00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: unquote sneaky shit. Then Young Thug released Business as Business.

443
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: The cover art features him sitting in a courtroom, turning

444
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: around to face the camera. Young Thug Gunna's biggest champion

445
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: leading up to the Ysel indictment. His mentor, who had

446
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: been featured on almost every Gunna album since the two

447
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: met in twenty sixteen, doesn't appear at all on Gunna's

448
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: homecoming album, and while Young Thug managed to wrangle high

449
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: profile features like Drake Future, Travis Scott, and Nicki Minaj,

450
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: Gunna was nowhere to be found on Businesses Business.

451
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: The day that Gunna drop it could have been way cooler.

452
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 12: He could have had business business, and then he could

453
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 12: have dropped a deluxe version of Gunner's album with Thug

454
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 12: on it, and that would have been a completely different

455
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 12: that would have changed everything if that was the case.

456
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 12: But he goes and drops his project with no Gunner

457
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 12: feature on it and a whole bunch of hot, big

458
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 12: industry people.

459
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: The staff track list seemed to signify the industry support

460
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: behind Young Thug. As for a Gift and a Curse,

461
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: Gunna sounds isolated from raps inder Circle, a star contrast

462
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: compared to how his last album DS Forever was his

463
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: most star study yet.

464
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 8: J Cole started to kind of become a meme for

465
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 8: having no features on his album, right, but that was

466
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 8: an anomaly, you know, like, oh J Cole and double

467
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 8: platinum with no features. But he's the only artist really

468
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 8: doing no features. Most big artists. Part of it is

469
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 8: having associations. Part of the reason why people gonna stream

470
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 8: certain albums is I want to hear this rapper.

471
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 6: Paired with this rapper.

472
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 8: It's a big party, Like it's kind of like a

473
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 8: wrestling match. You don't fight yourself, you and there's the

474
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 8: versus Goldberg. People are tuning in for the spectacle, and

475
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 8: I feel like features gave rap a spectacle that you

476
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 8: don't see in other genres. Other rock bands don't really

477
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 8: cross collaborate like that. But a hip hop you can

478
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 8: take a future and you pair them with a Drake

479
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 8: and you can have a diamond record because you put

480
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 8: these two rappers together on a record that just sounds amazing.

481
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 8: Like you got so used to seeing Gonna in collaboration,

482
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 8: did a whole table little Baby. He's not an artistist

483
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 8: that seems selfish about I only make music for me

484
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 8: by me. It always felt like he was a part

485
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 8: of a larger conglomerate of collaborators, and this was the

486
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 8: first time where there's no collaboration.

487
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 6: So it was a big It was a bit of

488
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 6: a shock, and you couldn't.

489
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 8: Read it at first as if did you make this

490
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 8: album by yourself because you wanted to or because no

491
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 8: picked up the phone?

492
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 6: You know, you couldn't tell A.

493
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Gift in Accurse only features one of Gunna's go to producers, Turbo.

494
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: He's been loyal to Gunna at the very least since

495
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: I interviewed both of them for Double XL back in

496
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. But it was still striking to hear how

497
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: even producers appear to have distanced themselves from perhaps the

498
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: biggest name on their resumes. Six months prior to those

499
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: release weeks, a Rolling Stone headline read a court screwed Gunna.

500
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Now he's being shunned by his peers. Upon first impression,

501
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: A Gift and a Curse seemed to confirm this, but

502
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: when the album comes out, it debuts as the third

503
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: best selling in the country, higher than Midnights by Taylor

504
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: Swift that week. Gunna's album has since spent twice as

505
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: many weeks on the Billboard Album Chart as Young Thugs,

506
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: and although Young Thugs album originally unseated Gunnas from the

507
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: top spot on the R and B and Hip Hop

508
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: album's chart, Business is Business charted for only six weeks,

509
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: A Gift and a Curse hearted for twenty.

510
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 8: The music was so strong by itself, It's like, you know,

511
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 8: it didn't feel like gonna need y'all.

512
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 6: Y'all might need Gunning.

513
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Arriving at the show at Barclay Center in Brooklyn that

514
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: Saturday night, Jordan Rose notices something.

515
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 6: Immediately.

516
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 7: I drove that to five parking I found parking way

517
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 7: down the street because it was this is when I

518
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 7: first realized, oh, like it is Gonna be crazy because

519
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 7: I'm driving up and I'm hearing Gonna being played in

520
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 7: the streets of Brooklyn at a five parking a few

521
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 7: streets down from Barkleys, and when I'm walking, I see

522
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 7: it's like a ridiculous line. Just to just to get

523
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 7: into the building to check it.

524
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Jordan gets in, takes a seat, and watches the nineteen

525
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: thousand others Phillip quickly the show is sold out. He

526
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: begins talking to people sitting around him.

527
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: The first guy says, I'm from Baltimore.

528
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 7: He was like, this is my first time at Barkley

529
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 7: Soon and I was like, wow, that's crazy.

530
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: What he quickly realizes is that these aren't all NYC fans.

531
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 7: I came up to someone else and they were from Virginia.

532
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 7: That theme persistent throughout the night.

533
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: Gonna had only two shows scheduled in the US, one

534
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and one in.

535
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: New York, so I feel like a lot of people

536
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 7: on the East Coast weren't going to make it to

537
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 7: the LA show. So it was like you had to

538
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 7: really get here because it was the only chance to

539
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 7: see him, especially because it was the first time back.

540
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: How was Gonna been able to outsell Young Thug this year.

541
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: You could chalk up that initial chart performance to overall curiosity,

542
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: if not anticipation of what he'd have to say after

543
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: being jailed. Since May twenty twenty two, press play and

544
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: the music feels weighed down by this palpable sense of

545
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: obligation to acknowledge that at the very least, this is

546
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: a challenge time for Hysel. The album's lead single is

547
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: Bread and Butter, which calls out the DA's office and

548
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: openly acknowledges the scorn he's received since leaving Fulton County Jail.

549
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 11: Never again, no ugly you know what I'm saying or

550
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 11: whatever you niggas on the trust me how much the

551
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 11: DA did some niggas shit?

552
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 12: I fail for it.

553
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: Here's yo.

554
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 8: I wouldn't even say you played it safe, you played

555
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 8: it smart. Mmm, he didn't. He didn't feed into it

556
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 8: too much. I feel like there's things that he referenced

557
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 8: on the album, like I think bread and Butter mm

558
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 8: hmm yep. He kind of like alludes to some people

559
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 8: like like changing sides and not necessarily like being on

560
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 8: his side. But he doesn't really call nobody out by name.

561
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 8: He doesn't pick fights. You know, he sort of just

562
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 8: expresses how it feels from his end. I think Gonna

563
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 8: sounds disappointed largely at people thinking that he would do

564
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 8: something to thug, to betray Thug, or betray the.

565
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: People he came up with.

566
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 8: And I think he also expresses how hard it was

567
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 8: to kind of just be sitting down for so long.

568
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 8: He's lost a year of his life. That's a hard

569
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 8: thing to do for anybody for any reason.

570
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: But Bread and Butter isn't the reason why Gunna has

571
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: been dominating the Billboard charts in the year of Hip

572
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: hop fiftieth anniversary. It's only a part of Gunna's continued

573
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: success in a year where raps share in total music

574
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: revenue has been dwindling. The real reason is a single

575
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: that came after Bread and Butter, a lifestyle anthem called

576
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: fuck you Mean. Here's Joshua Robinson.

577
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 12: I was talking about little Bro. I was just talking

578
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 12: about who's like, you're younger than me. When it came

579
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 12: out that Gunna was released and he took the plea

580
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 12: deal man, he was he was heartbroken. He was like,

581
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 12: oh man, he's a rat, he a snitched all that.

582
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 12: When I tell you he bumps. He bumps this way

583
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 12: more than I do. And I was just talking to

584
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 12: him yesterday, but I was like, why do you listen

585
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 12: to it? And he was like he slid and it's

586
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 12: like it's just that simple to him. And he was

587
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 12: saying that you can't ignore the talent. And I was like,

588
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 12: but isn't he a rat? He's like, oh, yeah, he's

589
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 12: definitely a rat. He's definitely a rat. But like for him,

590
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 12: I think he said that more it's not a it's

591
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 12: not a moral issue for him to listen to the music,

592
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 12: so he doesn't feel like he's betraying those like snitching

593
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 12: like standards by listening to the music. It'd be different

594
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 12: if he was, like I guess rocking with him personally.

595
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 12: But yeah, it's complex. I guess people are just deciding

596
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 12: to ignore it a little bit for their musical enjoyment.

597
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: I guess. Hmm.

598
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And you said he was three years younger

599
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: than you, so how old are you?

600
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 12: So I was twenty five, he's twenty two, Okay, yeah,

601
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 12: ok he's outside for real, for real and way more

602
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 12: outside than me. And yeah, he I'm telling you, when

603
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 12: fuck you mean came out like?

604
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: That?

605
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 6: Was?

606
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 12: That was shit, shit, Yeah, it's crazy, it's the whole mixtape.

607
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 12: He still listened to it to this stat too, because like,

608
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 12: how many months is it now?

609
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: Has it been?

610
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 12: It came out in the summer, Yeah, that's nothing holds

611
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 12: his attention now long?

612
00:32:54,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: So fuck You Mean has been so so successful that

613
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: atopped the US Spotify charts and remained a mainstay on

614
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: the platform's major playlists even months later. It's also become

615
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Gunna's first solo single to top several Billboard charts. No Features,

616
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: No Problem. Billboard reported that the song first took off

617
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: on streaming before radio inevitably caught on. It doesn't remark

618
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: on how unlikely the song's rise to platinum sales has

619
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: been to become rap song of the Summer, all just

620
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 1: a few months after this nitch and conversation bubbled up,

621
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: and many months before the y Cel trial will be over.

622
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: So maybe those stitching conversations were besides the point. And

623
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: at least this day and age, rap has long been

624
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: associated with gritty realism, but that's far from the appeal

625
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: of all rap artists. There's this question about whether even

626
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: street cred was even the larger point of guns appeal

627
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: that was something that I've always been thinking about. It

628
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: was like, did we look to Gunna for stuff like

629
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: this or you know, to like abide by this quote

630
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: unquote code right.

631
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 12: Yeah, Gunner's music up in that point was like clothing drugs.

632
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: Like I think he was very vibe.

633
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 12: You know, I don't think unless I'm just having like

634
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 12: a blank in my mind, I don't remember necessarily hearing

635
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 12: like overtly overly street things, and like Drake talks about

636
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 12: street things, so like if Drake can talk about it,

637
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying, Like it's like a bass

638
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 12: layer that some artists may do. But like, I don't

639
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 12: think anyone thought that Gunna was that guy in the streets.

640
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 12: Like ever, jay Z said it best when he was

641
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 12: Disagnis on Takeover, and he was like, you're rapping about

642
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 12: things that are happening around you that you're not actually doing.

643
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 12: And I think that's what a lot of rappers pool

644
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 12: from to relate to more people. Like I mean, Drake

645
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 12: on his new album has a song where he's like

646
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 12: you shot him in daylight, and like we know he's

647
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 12: not talking about himself, like Jake's not shooting anyone in daylight.

648
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 12: And I mean he may not even be talking about

649
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 12: an actual person, but it's like that connection there, but

650
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 12: it's like we don't take it seriously. And I feel

651
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 12: like it was the same way with Gunna. Like I

652
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 12: don't think anyone would have expected Gunna to be a

653
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 12: street guy.

654
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: That is, says Jordan Rose, until Gunna's listening audience was

655
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: told to hold him up to that expectation.

656
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 7: In terms of like his widening fan base, people only

657
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 7: cared about what they were suggested to care about, as

658
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 7: hip hop is going into the space and Gunnis fans

659
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 7: intersect with like twitch Jimmy fans intersect with.

660
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Speaker 6: General cool kids slang fans.

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Speaker 7: I think if you heard from one of your favorite

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Speaker 7: streamers that gun is a snitch, you're gonna think he's

663
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Speaker 7: a snitch, even if you don't fully understand what that

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Speaker 7: means or the street politics that are behind that label.

665
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Speaker 7: But then you have a whole other group of rap

666
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Speaker 7: fans who are like, yo, don't like this guy because

667
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Speaker 7: he's a rat and rats are bad, and they don't

668
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Speaker 7: really know the full context behind that, but they're told

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Speaker 7: by somebody that they like and follow believes that, so

670
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 7: they believe that as well.

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Speaker 1: With hip hop still being a commercial force on TikTok,

672
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Speaker 1: especially Yo says Gunna's lifestyle wraps can serve ass aspirational

673
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: soundtrack for all walks of life.

674
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Speaker 8: Twitter is a space where you want to be your

675
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 8: most authentic self. Like authenticity has value there, and also

676
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 8: there's credos and rules that people might want to like

677
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 8: establish that means you're authentic, right, or you're really about

678
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 8: what you say, you really stand on business in this

679
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 8: kind of way. On TikTok, Man, people want to make

680
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 8: Q videos and people want to laugh, People want to

681
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 8: like enjoy a sounder, right. They might not even associate

682
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 8: this clip with a Gonna or with the rapper, you know,

683
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 8: they might not associate this with a.

684
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 6: Person's life and lifestyle. On Twitter.

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Speaker 8: It's like if you post Gunna, you condone everything Gonna

686
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 8: has done. On TikTok, It's like you can associate with

687
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Speaker 8: a forty second clip and move on to the next thing.

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00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: On TikTok, fuck You Mean has become the unofficial soundtrack

689
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: for white kids feeling themselves on camera and doing Romanian

690
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: deadlifts at the gym.

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Speaker 6: I never thought Gunna was gym rat music.

692
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 8: I never thought he was going to follows in the

693
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 8: gym you know, where the only drift is sweat, like

694
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Speaker 8: I never thought, I never thought that's why you played Gunna.

695
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: But most notably, the song also sounds like the before times,

696
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: a time when whenever Gunna was doing was always trending,

697
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: more specifically, a time before the YSL trial.

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Speaker 7: If you only lived on the Internet, the successful year

699
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 7: that Gunna has had would sound impossible. The rap fans

700
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 7: who endorse street codes that they've never had to live

701
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 7: by a crucified him for taking a plea deal, and

702
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 7: the rappers who may have made the same decision in

703
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 7: his position to turn their backs on him. Even though

704
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 7: it looks like the rapp world betrayed Gunna, his talent

705
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 7: and loyal fanbas proved that hip hop is so much

706
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 7: bigger than the narratives on Twitter.

707
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Speaker 3: People lie, The Internet lies, but the music shirt doesn't.

708
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: That's what Jordan Rose wrote to conclude his review of

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Speaker 1: Gunna's first concert in two years for Complex. He remembers

710
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Speaker 1: the moment those thoughts first came to mind.

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Speaker 7: We ramp through all of his like you know, biggest

712
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Speaker 7: songs from all of his old albums. He had a

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Speaker 7: young thug segment where he did all his songs with Thug.

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Speaker 1: At one point, the screens to gun his left and

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00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: right read free Jeffrey in all caps.

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Speaker 7: But then it wasn't until he got into Gifted a Curse,

717
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 7: which I think you know is a much more emotional album.

718
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 7: He like really responds to what talks about, what his

719
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 7: experience has been like since he's been released, and all

720
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 7: like the emotional trials and Tripulationcy's been through. And it

721
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Speaker 7: was just seeing you know, the audience, especially like in

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Speaker 7: the GA section, like the standing ga in front of

723
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Speaker 7: the of the stage, knowing every single word, even to

724
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Speaker 7: the songs that on the new album that aren't popular.

725
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Speaker 1: One song that has yet to be released as a single,

726
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: and who knows if it ever will be is the

727
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: album's last track. All Right. It's where Gunna tries his best.

728
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: I feel hope full about the future, though as he admits,

729
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: it feels challenging.

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Speaker 11: Y'all talk to my dog, just tell them I miss won.

731
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Speaker 11: Nobody's pain came on my rhythm. She was just not

732
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Speaker 11: I didn't use a common sense pass away ananamous she

733
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Speaker 11: eat me up on Hell's see.

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Speaker 1: This is about as confessional as Gunna has ever been

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Speaker 1: in his career. Jordan says that the crowd at Barclay

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Speaker 1: Center was ready to receive him at his most vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: It was like a cathartic experience. It felt like a

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Speaker 3: cathartic performance for him.

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Speaker 7: Then to see that that cathartic performance be matched by

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Speaker 7: a crowd rapping every word to this song about you

741
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Speaker 7: talking about people not messing with you anymore because they

742
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 7: think you're a rat, and people thinking you turned your

743
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Speaker 7: back on your best friend without knowing the full.

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Speaker 3: Context of the situation.

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Speaker 7: To have fans who might have been included in that

746
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Speaker 7: group that he is rapping about earlier in the year

747
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Speaker 7: to still be so loyal to him, to like know

748
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Speaker 7: these words so well. You know, people realize that they

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Speaker 7: care about the music more than they do these street

750
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Speaker 7: politics that they don't actually live by, but they want

751
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Speaker 7: to kind of act like they do for the timeline.

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Speaker 7: That was really the moment that solidified for me that

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Speaker 7: the music can really overpower any of the narratives that

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Speaker 7: Twitter may have.

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Speaker 1: Since it's released from Fulton County Jail, Gunna has been

756
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: spotted in Beverly Hills more than Atlanta. From Damn near

757
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: the beginning of his music catalog. He's long fantasized about

758
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Speaker 1: hanging out on the West Coast. Here's another snippet from

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Speaker 1: Caught Me at Feign, his twenty sixteen track featuring Young Thug.

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Speaker 3: Here's how to do mentioning than hims.

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Speaker 7: I won not takeing a fuck I.

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Speaker 1: Feel years later in A Gift and a Curse. Beverly

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Speaker 1: Hills is where Gunna sounds the most free. My personal

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Speaker 1: favorite moment is that transition from fuck You Mean to

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Speaker 1: another song called Rodeo Drive. I've run both songs back

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Speaker 1: for those few seconds alone, especially while driving around in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: and I imagine this would have been my favorite moment

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Speaker 1: to see live at Barclays. In the context of the album,

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Speaker 1: the beat switch feels like a flash forward to a

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Speaker 1: time when the YSL trial is some distant memory. When

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Speaker 1: Gunna performs this at Barclays, he wears a custom winged

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Speaker 1: and feather top with matching wooly trousers. As Fucking Me

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Speaker 1: winds down, though Gunna removes his top, revealing his bare

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Speaker 1: chest underneath. On cue with the beat switch, there are pyrotechnics,

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Speaker 1: the crowd mashes and sinc phones recording, and Gunna starts

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Speaker 1: skipping He's light on his feet. In his concert review,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Rose was impressed by Gunn's return to the stage,

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Speaker 1: most notably because of where it took place.

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Speaker 7: To come out on the other side and have such

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Speaker 7: a successful show in New York, not even Atlanta. I

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Speaker 7: think that was also the biggest thing of like it,

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Speaker 7: not even being in his home state. It could have

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Speaker 7: very easily just been a dud. I think all just

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00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 7: plays into how Gunna's ability and his talent overshadows what

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00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 7: people think they should think about him.

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Speaker 1: But we couldn't help but wonder whether a show like

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Speaker 1: this was possible in Atlanta. My journalist colleagues here say

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Speaker 1: it would have likely been too risky.

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Speaker 8: They said, or DJ played a song in the club

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Speaker 8: that was a Gunner record and everyone stopped dancing.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that was true or not. You

792
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 6: know how you can make things look.

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Speaker 8: But there was always this feeling that Atlanta had yet

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00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 8: to re embrace Kinna completely and again like, I don't know,

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Speaker 8: I feel like when I'm out, I haven't felt his

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 8: presence in the same way that I feel his presence

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 8: a lie, you know, through the influencers on TikTok or

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00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 8: his influence in like conversations like this where we're kind

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Speaker 8: of trying to understand where he stands now, and I

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Speaker 8: think that.

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Speaker 6: That is still it's still weighs on what he's able

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Speaker 6: to do.

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Speaker 8: It's not he's not out of the clear in that

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00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 8: sense yet, especially here. So I think that there's something

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00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 8: that Atlanta is still kind of processing.

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Speaker 12: Even if he thinks it's cool, there's enough debate growing

807
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 12: around on if he's a snitch or not, Like no

808
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 12: rapper is safe. I don't think any artist should willingly

809
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 12: put himself in danger like that, because it doesn't even

810
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 12: have to be someone from YASL or someone who's affiliated

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Speaker 12: with why Cel. It could be someone who just feels

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00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 12: like they got something to prove or want to go

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Speaker 12: viral and now rip Gunna.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 13: The other thing I think about too is you know,

816
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 13: he got probation, which sounds to people like nothing, but

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 13: probation is actually a big deal when you're especially when

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00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 13: your entire social network is indicted with Rico chargers. I mean,

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Speaker 13: you cannot associate with a convicted felon if you're on probation.

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Speaker 1: For example, that's King Slime, producer Tommy andres like that's a.

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Speaker 13: Big deal for some of these guys, right like you,

822
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 13: you almost have to get away in order to not

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Speaker 13: like run the risk of violating your probation in some way.

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Speaker 12: And that may be why we haven't heard young Thugs

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Speaker 12: say anything about Gunna as well, because I know that,

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Speaker 12: like you said that in the in the plea, he's

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Speaker 12: not allowed to even contact Thug, So I don't know

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Speaker 12: what that looks like. But on the same hand, he's

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Speaker 12: saying he's having banners that say free Thug at hassowed

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Speaker 12: out concerts, So I don't it's weird.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they're allowed to tiptoe around these things.

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Speaker 12: But speaking of probation, Umfunk got arrested again because he

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Speaker 12: violated his probation after taking that out for plea.

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Speaker 1: So after Young Thug's older brother on Funk violated the

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Speaker 1: turns of his probation in summer twenty twenty three, he

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Speaker 1: was sentenced to nine and a half years in prison.

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Speaker 3: So it's reird they will take you back.

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Speaker 1: And with that sort of looming large, Joshua could see

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Speaker 1: why Gunna's first concert in two years wasn't a proper homecoming.

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Speaker 12: I've been having a hard time saying that Atlanta's the

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Speaker 12: capital of hip hop still, like I think, undisputed, like

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00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 12: it probably since twenty fourteen, it was Atlanta, no doubt,

843
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 12: no one sustained it as long as Atlanta has and

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Speaker 12: even how it's become a hub for people to move

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00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 12: here to make it in music, like you got people

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Speaker 12: like Yet and Jack Carlow making it off of the.

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Speaker 3: Connections that they made in Atlanta.

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Speaker 12: What happens when all these major players are gone, and

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Speaker 12: what happens for the futures, just like you know what,

850
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 12: I'm gonna do a drake, I'm gonna bow out for

851
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 12: a little bit. I'm gonnasappear. IM gonna let y'all handle it.

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Speaker 12: I don't know if the infrastructure is strong enough here

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00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 12: for that to continue without the people like Thug and Gun.

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00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 12: Like I said, Gunna moves away and doesn't ever come

855
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Speaker 12: back to Atlanta. Maybe he stays on Rodeo's drive, you know,

856
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 12: maybe he's just constantly in La.

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Speaker 3: I wonder what that looks like.

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00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 12: I can see this being the shift to somewhere else,

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00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 12: and that may be a good thing for the genre.

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00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: It may be time for like new sounds, new ideas.

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Speaker 12: It could be a beautiful thing, but right now it's

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00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 12: kind of like bittersweet.

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Speaker 2: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Hairloom Media.

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Speaker 1: It's written and produced by George Cheedy, Christina Lee, and Tommy.

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Speaker 2: Andres, mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tire

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Speaker 2: and Taylor Chaicogne.

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Speaker 1: The executive producer and editor is Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 2: Our theme music is by Done Deal.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Tyler Klay and.

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Speaker 2: To the Atlanta News outlets, eleven Alive, WSBTV, Atlanta News First,

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Speaker 2: and Fox five.

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Speaker 1: For more shows from iHeart Podcasts, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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