Speaker 1: The folks did a Sunday August twenty third, and there
Speaker 1: is a major manhunt for a woman going on right
Speaker 1: now in Massachusetts. And with that, welcome to this episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. This has been going on for
Speaker 1: several days now. This woman has been missing, a woman,
Speaker 1: Robes I guess we shouldn't necessarily surprised to hear that
Speaker 1: she's accused of killing her husband.
Speaker 2: Her husband's a cop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big deal. And look, they have now
Speaker 3: issued an arrest warrant for her. The charge is assault
Speaker 3: and battery with a dangerous weapon with serious bodily injury.
Speaker 3: But they found her husband lying in their yard dead
Speaker 3: and what they describe as a bloody scene inside the
Speaker 3: home that they shared.
Speaker 1: And so we are now getting into as that we're
Speaker 1: hopping on here on this Sunday, Yes, folks, it so
Speaker 1: remind we do these live on day of We don't
Speaker 1: necessarily get a chance to tape ahead. So this is
Speaker 1: happening now, and as we sit here on Sunday, this
Speaker 1: is almost a week long search for this woman who
Speaker 1: by this point Robes I haven't seen necessarily much reporting
Speaker 1: or much from the authorities that think she's dead or
Speaker 1: in some way met her demise. But sounds like they
Speaker 1: think this woman's on the run and they're telling everybody
Speaker 1: to watch out, don't approach her.
Speaker 2: She's considered dangerous, Yes.
Speaker 3: Armed and dangerous is what they said. And look, she
Speaker 3: was last seen on a ring camera walking down the
Speaker 3: street just shy of her home in a T shirt,
Speaker 3: shorts and flipflops.
Speaker 4: So it's not as if she escaped.
Speaker 3: In a vehicle or had any other quick way of
Speaker 3: leaving the scene. And yet she is missing, nowhere to
Speaker 3: be seen, no sightings of her.
Speaker 1: This is Woocester, Massachusetts, where this has taken place, where
Speaker 1: this all started on August eighteenth. So you go back
Speaker 1: to last Tuesday when they got a nine to one
Speaker 1: one call, and this nine to one one call.
Speaker 2: Came very early in the morning, and.
Speaker 1: Also with some string search ccumstances here robes it turns
Speaker 1: out later that turns out she was the one to
Speaker 1: call nine one one in the first place.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: So when the call comes in at five point thirty
Speaker 3: in the morning, what the scene is described as a
Speaker 3: mail laid out in the backyard, unknown breathing, and so yes,
Speaker 3: officers rushed to the scene and they find her husband.
Speaker 3: But then I believe it was about thirty minutes later
Speaker 3: they went and retraced the nine to one one call,
Speaker 3: and yes, it ended with Karen Solomon's voicemail, so it
Speaker 3: was very obvious who called nine.
Speaker 1: One one, And that's they're trying to piece this together now.
Speaker 1: And there's some questions about who was at the house,
Speaker 1: how many people were at that house, But the only
Speaker 1: person robes at the authorities at this point are going
Speaker 1: after is a woman by the name of Karen Solomon.
Speaker 1: She is fifty eight years old. I didn't get a
Speaker 1: good read on how long these two had been married.
Speaker 4: Well I didn't either.
Speaker 3: They we know that they shared a home and had
Speaker 3: been married, but there was some indication in some of
Speaker 3: the ports that authorities didn't want to discuss their current
Speaker 3: relationship status, and they cited domestic violence privacy rules. So yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the AP, the AP reporting that who knows
Speaker 3: that there was history between the two of some domestic violence?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I saw the police reported that. I didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily make sense of it. What are they suggesting that
Speaker 1: they cannot reveal or say about their victim or about
Speaker 1: their suspect. That is a violation of they say domestic
Speaker 1: violence laves is what they quoted. I didn't necessarily fully
Speaker 1: comprehend what they were. What you can't say.
Speaker 3: Right if someone's been convicted or charged or accused of
Speaker 3: we certainly have a right to know that, and it's
Speaker 3: certainly a matter of public records.
Speaker 4: So that was a bit confusing.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the comments in this article,
Speaker 3: people are rushing to judgment, saying, yes, that there was
Speaker 3: some history, and that obviously she was exacting revenge, sure
Speaker 3: she had had enough or there are all sorts of
Speaker 3: people trying to fill in the blank. But clearly if
Speaker 3: she were, if she felt like she had a right
Speaker 3: to defend herself, it wouldn't seem like the next step
Speaker 3: would be to flee the scene, never to be found.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: So again she fled. As the timeline goes here, it
Speaker 1: was five thirty when the call came in five thirty
Speaker 1: a m. On Tuesday, August eighteenth. The police were there
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, or they a nine to one dispatcher
Speaker 1: called back in twenty minutes, phone didn't nobody answered, and
Speaker 1: robes the police were on scene within that twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: They were there soon she was already gone, so she
Speaker 1: called and bounced, is what it appears. That sounds like
Speaker 1: somebody on the run, but she didn't look like somebody
Speaker 1: who was about to be on the run.
Speaker 3: Exactly like if if that were the case, it's just
Speaker 3: bizarre to see her walking in you know, not that
Speaker 3: many clothing and flip flops.
Speaker 4: That's not how you get away or have a life
Speaker 4: on the run.
Speaker 3: And look, this is a woman when you read up
Speaker 3: on her, she wrote two books about the physical and
Speaker 3: psychological problems that first responders have when they deal with
Speaker 3: coming up on crime scenes. Right, so this is a
Speaker 3: bit ironic. And she actually created an organization called First
Speaker 3: Help h ELP and it helps those folks with mental health.
Speaker 3: So it's just interesting given her line of work and
Speaker 3: what she dealt with in and obviously felt very passionate
Speaker 3: about to create a whole organization surrounding this notion to
Speaker 3: then create her own crime scene. The irony is not
Speaker 3: lost on anyone who was reading the story.
Speaker 1: And the victim here is a thirty one year police veteran,
Speaker 1: Kurt Solomon is his name. He was found dead at
Speaker 1: that home. They didn't identify I guess ropes, but they
Speaker 1: think the murder weapon is do have write a sharp object?
Speaker 1: He sound like he was stabbed in some way where
Speaker 1: they call this a bloody scene. He was found in
Speaker 1: the backyard, and you can only imagine bro this is.
Speaker 1: We've covered plenty of stories with when they're but when
Speaker 1: there are firefighters who are killed or police officers who
Speaker 1: were killed, it has an impact on not just that force,
Speaker 1: but that community in a particular way. And grew up
Speaker 1: to see that he had been around for thirty one
Speaker 1: years as an officer. He knew everybody, and everybody knew.
Speaker 3: Him exactly, and so it was there are some gutting
Speaker 3: statements made by those who worked with him, who knew him,
Speaker 3: The sheriff, the police chief, all talking about what an
Speaker 3: incredible police officer he was and how he's going to
Speaker 3: be missed. I believe the mayor even said he's going
Speaker 3: to miss his warm smile at some of the meetings
Speaker 3: that they would all be at for the community. So
Speaker 3: this was a well known member of the community and
Speaker 3: that's why this domestic violence is a little strange.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, domestic violence can work both ways. We
Speaker 3: don't know, and people are rushing to judge because Oh
Speaker 3: he was a cop. Oh he must have been this way,
Speaker 3: he must have been that way, And that seems why
Speaker 3: unfair given the circumstances, because, yes, I'm thinking, if she
Speaker 3: were defending herself, if there was some altercation that took
Speaker 3: place where there was documentation of past bad acts, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't imagine that she would run, that she would leave
Speaker 3: the scene, that she would she would stand there and say,
Speaker 3: this is what happened.
Speaker 4: I was defending myself. For her to be on the
Speaker 4: run is bizarre.
Speaker 2: Isn't that?
Speaker 1: The other scenario robes, even though it might not be
Speaker 1: as likely, is that she was the offender in whatever
Speaker 1: past domestic violence now that goes along with her running. Yes,
Speaker 1: but we don't. Again, it was an odd thing for
Speaker 1: the police to say. Did they have to say that?
Speaker 1: Did they Why put that out there? I know they
Speaker 1: got a question or something from the absurd from reporters,
Speaker 1: but that just to leave it there and leave it
Speaker 1: hanging is now leaving everybody to guess and wonder what
Speaker 1: in the world happened to this guy. But it's that
Speaker 1: there is no records that they've been able to get
Speaker 1: her on the phone or how they've been able to
Speaker 1: track her, but roads it's we have seen.
Speaker 2: And we're usually pretty.
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable how quickly they're able and are beingion
Speaker 1: to find folks and track folks down. This is a
Speaker 1: woman who was lasting flip flops, and they don't seem
Speaker 1: to have any idea where she is.
Speaker 3: I think that's so bizarre to me, And to the
Speaker 3: point where they're so concerned about this woman's ability or
Speaker 3: maybe reasonable belief that she could inflict harm on others.
Speaker 3: They've been canceling community events. There were several different community
Speaker 3: events in the Worcester area where they were using public parks.
Speaker 3: They've canceled them, relocated them, moved them further away. That
Speaker 3: just speaks to the level of concern they have about
Speaker 3: this woman being out and about with potentially a weapon.
Speaker 4: That is alarming as well.
Speaker 3: A fifty eight year old woman you don't normally consider
Speaker 3: a physical threat. Obviously, if that person has a weapon,
Speaker 3: that's concerning. But I just thought that was that spoke
Speaker 3: to the level of concern this community has at this
Speaker 3: point about what she's capable of.
Speaker 1: But we all that doesn't what is happening, that just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. You're canceling community events because a fifty eight
Speaker 1: year old woman is running around with.
Speaker 4: A knife, they close public parks.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like we're missing something. And
Speaker 1: again they're doing that investigation. They have to do what
Speaker 1: they have to do and keep some information. But there
Speaker 1: is a reason, or maybe they're just doing that because
Speaker 1: the community is on edge and this makes them feel better,
Speaker 1: or I don't know, but they haven't said. I mean,
Speaker 1: that move canceling something suggests there is a threat. However,
Speaker 1: Robe they have not come out and said there is
Speaker 1: another target or threat to the community. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: They know something we don't. But we're in five days?
Speaker 1: Am I doing the math?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Five days now? This woman's been on a running You
Speaker 1: got a thirty one year veteran cop dead, and we
Speaker 1: can't find the killer, even though we believe we know
Speaker 1: who she is. Fifty eight year old woman. What are
Speaker 1: the chances? I still think, what's his name? Travis the coach,
Speaker 1: Travis Turner ain't found him. It wasn't be in six
Speaker 1: plus months.
Speaker 3: At this point, right months, you know, and after he
Speaker 3: was well. It was right before he was about to
Speaker 3: be publicly accused. He had just been removed from his position.
Speaker 3: As a coach because there were allegations about child porn
Speaker 3: and potentially even sexual assaults against a student, and he went, Now,
Speaker 3: that's a heavily wooded area, I believe near the Appalachian
Speaker 3: Mountains or the Appalachian Trail. And to think that he's
Speaker 3: not been found, I guess that happens. People have ways
Speaker 3: of disappearing, whether it's through death or I would imagine
Speaker 3: if you have no I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 3: she's even surviving unless someone is housing her. How it
Speaker 3: didn't seem like if you look at that ring camp,
Speaker 3: she didn't have a purse with her. It didn't look
Speaker 3: like she had anything that you would need to actually
Speaker 3: be able to survive for days outside of your home.
Speaker 3: You need food, you need shelter, you need water. And
Speaker 3: if you don't have a credit card, you don't have
Speaker 3: a purse, you don't have money. I don't know if
Speaker 3: she has her phone with her, but it would seem
Speaker 3: like she would be with someone who was housing her,
Speaker 3: helping her. How could a fifty eight year old woman
Speaker 3: just vanish without a trace.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's possible. We saw her walking
Speaker 1: and flip flop. It's possible she was heading somewhere, and
Speaker 1: she knew exactly where she was going as possible.
Speaker 2: She did get in a vehicle of some.
Speaker 1: Kind, and I don't know, I didn't see any well,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that quickly. But I don't know how
Speaker 1: much they were saying about what she possibly had on
Speaker 1: her that could help her survive. At some point, you
Speaker 1: need water, some point you gotta you gotta survive. I
Speaker 1: don't know this area ropes that well. How would necessarily
Speaker 1: or whatever think about Travis U. I keep messing up
Speaker 1: his name. I want to say Travis Barker every time. Sorry,
Speaker 1: mister Barker, but Travis Turner. He went out, he was
Speaker 1: wearing nothing. It was cold, right, and you could you
Speaker 1: could piece that together to why okay, and he had
Speaker 1: a weapon with him on that. We need to revisit
Speaker 1: that story at some point we do. What's the weather
Speaker 1: these days? I guess it's a little warmer in that
Speaker 1: area of Massachusetts. But bro, she can't You can't go far.
Speaker 1: You can't even walk through tough terrain based on the footing, no,
Speaker 1: but on the shoes she has.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the picture of her, the last known
Speaker 3: picture of her from this ring cam, and I mean
Speaker 3: she truly has flip flops on and a T shirt
Speaker 3: and shorts, and that she is not carrying anything like
Speaker 3: I guess she could have. It doesn't It doesn't look
Speaker 3: like she has anything on her from a phone, but.
Speaker 4: I guess you can have keys in her pocket.
Speaker 3: To your point, she could have strategically put her car
Speaker 3: somewhere else. But they didn't say that a car was missing.
Speaker 3: They didn't say they were looking for a car. They
Speaker 3: didn't say they were looking for any of that. So
Speaker 3: this is truly truly bizarre.
Speaker 2: All I would stay here, folks.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre and it's pretty rare that there is a
Speaker 1: female killer on the loose.
Speaker 2: Stay here.
Speaker 1: We'll explain the latest FBI statistics that tell us just
Speaker 1: how many female killers there are out there. All right,
Speaker 1: we continue here on Amy and TJ on this Sunday,
Speaker 1: August twenty third, where a man hunt for a woman. Wait,
Speaker 1: is there another way they say it, whether you're looking
Speaker 1: for a woman.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, because it's a man hunt. You're right, I
Speaker 4: hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 3: A man hunt for a woman is very rare. You've
Speaker 3: got this fifty eight year old woman who was basically
Speaker 3: in a nonprofit business as we mentioned, and Help.
Speaker 4: First Help is this organization that she started. They actually
Speaker 4: had to.
Speaker 3: Put out a statement because look, this is a big
Speaker 3: operation that helps a lot of folks, and they felt
Speaker 3: like they needed to say something. Yes, she co founded it,
Speaker 3: but they wanted to separate themselves from it. But it
Speaker 3: just makes it so bizarre. Literally, she was there helping
Speaker 3: and helping police officers and law enforcement and first responders
Speaker 3: navigate mental health issues from responding to horrific scenes, and
Speaker 3: then to create her own scene.
Speaker 4: It's just bizarre.
Speaker 3: So Help put out the statement saying, as we navigate
Speaker 3: the days ahead, we remain dedicated to treating everyone affected
Speaker 3: by this tragedy with the utmost compassion and dignity. We
Speaker 3: remained faithful to our commitment to the families and first responders.
Speaker 3: First Help was created to serve. But just what a
Speaker 3: bizarre twist, and it is rare, extremely rare. We don't
Speaker 3: talk about man hunts for women killers. Potentially, I'm still
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm caught up on this.
Speaker 2: Is there another name for it?
Speaker 1: You remember when they changed how we talk about the
Speaker 1: oddest anything space travel, where you don't say a five
Speaker 1: man crew or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a what's the language now to include women?
Speaker 4: A crude Yes, that was Actually it wasn't. People. It's crude.
Speaker 1: It's a manned mission. You can't say that it's a
Speaker 1: crude mission. We don't write it's something about I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm hung up on that man hunt for
Speaker 1: a woman? Is there another way I'm supposed to say
Speaker 1: that a woman hunt doesn't work?
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned that, because I never even thought
Speaker 3: about it. But then, but then you're right, it does
Speaker 3: sound funny that you have to say a man hunt
Speaker 3: for a woman. But I don't think there is another
Speaker 3: There haven't been enough cases, perhaps for us to try.
Speaker 4: And come up with a new phrase.
Speaker 3: And it's certainly not something we want to invite more
Speaker 3: women to do so that we can include them and
Speaker 3: feel so that women aren't offended.
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think if you're a woman, a female fugitive
Speaker 3: on the run, you're going to be upset if someone
Speaker 3: says there's a man hunt, Like, are you going to
Speaker 3: really get upset about that? I really am offended by
Speaker 3: the term you used to look for me?
Speaker 2: I bet, I bet you.
Speaker 1: There are some people out there who are who are
Speaker 1: right now advocating to get this changed.
Speaker 2: A man hunt.
Speaker 3: The only thing you could say is a woman hunt.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really can't think of another way to
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 1: And then that really kind of belies the seriousness of
Speaker 1: whatever crime. If you have to say a woman hunt,
Speaker 1: he just that sounds crazy. But female killers, you and
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time, me more so than you.
Speaker 1: But it's one of my favorite shows on television, Snapped.
Speaker 1: Snapped if you have I can't remember remember who was
Speaker 1: the original network?
Speaker 2: Was it bratwo? Who was the original Lifetime original?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because of streaming so many places now you don't know
Speaker 1: originally where it came from. But Snapped has been all
Speaker 1: but thirty five plus something. And the whole thing, if
Speaker 1: you don't know, is just profiling female killers, women who
Speaker 1: have committed murder. And so you see ropes, thirty five seasons,
Speaker 1: all these episodes, Wow, women killers are all over the
Speaker 1: places in not the case.
Speaker 3: It does make you think that though it's quite funny.
Speaker 3: And if you watch and look, you introduced me to
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I had not seen it before, but we started seeing
Speaker 3: some commonalities among women, and it's so interesting and we
Speaker 3: love nurses. Nurses are amazing, so please, please, please don't
Speaker 3: be offended if you know, love or are a nurse,
Speaker 3: because thank God for you heroes. But it does seem like,
Speaker 3: at least in the cases we've seen depicted on television,
Speaker 3: oftentimes they're nurses. They have access to certain things and
Speaker 3: they I don't know, might just be able to look
Speaker 3: at the body a little differently.
Speaker 4: But nurses. And then people who have gambling debts.
Speaker 1: There's some shop like women who trying to hide like
Speaker 1: they shop too much kind of thing, women trying to
Speaker 1: cover that up. That goes in line with the you know,
Speaker 1: where were the other ones? Where there are themes like
Speaker 1: almost every single one, poverty is involved and almost all
Speaker 1: of them some kind of insurance claim oftentimes is involved them.
Speaker 2: But oh, it's as much.
Speaker 1: You watch this show and you think, wow, women are
Speaker 1: what just as prevalent of killers. The numbers are ninety
Speaker 1: percent of murderers are men.
Speaker 4: Ninety I didn't know it was that high. It's that
Speaker 4: but that makes sense, it's.
Speaker 2: That high, and the victims eighty percent are men.
Speaker 3: Really wait, yes, ninety percent are men killers?
Speaker 4: And eighty percent are male victims.
Speaker 1: But the stories we see and the things we see highlighted,
Speaker 1: every single one of those women on snap kill the guy.
Speaker 3: That's true, But I feel like every murder I see,
Speaker 3: I mean not true, I guess, But a lot of
Speaker 3: times when you think about relationships, obviously the women are
Speaker 3: the ones who end up being killed. And I guess
Speaker 3: I always go back to the number one cause of
Speaker 3: death for pregnant women and is homicide by the man
Speaker 3: who impregnated that.
Speaker 1: But overwhelmingly it's men gilling other men in some way,
Speaker 1: form or fashion. Wow, And it's remarkable to see. So yes,
Speaker 1: if we are sitting here, we're talking about a woman
Speaker 1: hunt robes. It's rare to even have a female killer,
Speaker 1: so it's certainly rare to have one on the run.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the last female killer on the loose
Speaker 3: that police were shutting down parks for and warning the
Speaker 3: community about, and especially when that woman had been for
Speaker 3: her entire life a community leader, a community helper who
Speaker 3: founded a group called First Help.
Speaker 4: So yeah, this.
Speaker 3: Is anything but normal, anything but typical. And I think
Speaker 3: there are still a lot of questions about what went
Speaker 3: on leading up to this that we are that we
Speaker 3: don't know about.
Speaker 4: Because this seems.
Speaker 3: This seems very there are some big holes in the
Speaker 3: story that need to be filled in.
Speaker 1: We will watch this one though, because I mean the
Speaker 1: concern that Robes is not just a story of fascination
Speaker 1: to killer. They're actually making moves to suggest there's some
Speaker 1: threat to the community.
Speaker 2: And this is a woman who has been helped.
Speaker 1: She is a flat out advocate for police and for
Speaker 1: first responders. That's who she's been in that community. She
Speaker 1: fought for legislation that Joe Biden eventually signed into law.
Speaker 1: Happy to do with first responder ropes. How we get
Speaker 1: to this, who knows what happened at that house, But
Speaker 1: first and foremost, they're just trying to find this lady
Speaker 1: and find her safely.
Speaker 2: Robes. This is one to keep an eye on. We
Speaker 2: will keep an eye on it this week. Just wanted
Speaker 2: to hop on and give you that update. I'm TJ.
Speaker 2: That's Robes. We'll talk to y'all soon.