WEBVTT - URGENT Manhunt Underway In Massachusetts For An “Armed And Dangerous” Woman 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.840 The folks did a Sunday August twenty third, and there 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:10.000 is a major manhunt for a woman going on right 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.840 now in Massachusetts. And with that, welcome to this episode 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:14.840 of Amy and TJ. This has been going on for 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.160 several days now. This woman has been missing, a woman, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:22.520 Robes I guess we shouldn't necessarily surprised to hear that 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:23.919 she's accused of killing her husband. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:25.479 Her husband's a cop. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.680 Yeah, that's a big deal. And look, they have now 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.640 issued an arrest warrant for her. The charge is assault 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.280 and battery with a dangerous weapon with serious bodily injury. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.520 But they found her husband lying in their yard dead 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.000 and what they describe as a bloody scene inside the 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:46.960 home that they shared. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.720 And so we are now getting into as that we're 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.199 hopping on here on this Sunday, Yes, folks, it so 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.880 remind we do these live on day of We don't 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:57.680 necessarily get a chance to tape ahead. So this is 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.360 happening now, and as we sit here on Sunday, this 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.560 is almost a week long search for this woman who 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.720 by this point Robes I haven't seen necessarily much reporting 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.679 or much from the authorities that think she's dead or 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.720 in some way met her demise. But sounds like they 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.960 think this woman's on the run and they're telling everybody 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.560 to watch out, don't approach her. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.080 She's considered dangerous, Yes. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.600 Armed and dangerous is what they said. And look, she 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.560 was last seen on a ring camera walking down the 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.759 street just shy of her home in a T shirt, 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.120 shorts and flipflops. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.800 So it's not as if she escaped. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.520 In a vehicle or had any other quick way of 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.520 leaving the scene. And yet she is missing, nowhere to 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.240 be seen, no sightings of her. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.400 This is Woocester, Massachusetts, where this has taken place, where 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.520 this all started on August eighteenth. So you go back 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.520 to last Tuesday when they got a nine to one 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.080 one call, and this nine to one one call. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.600 Came very early in the morning, and. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.440 Also with some string search ccumstances here robes it turns 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.080 out later that turns out she was the one to 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.400 call nine one one in the first place. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:05.840 That's right. 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.120 So when the call comes in at five point thirty 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.120 in the morning, what the scene is described as a 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:16.119 mail laid out in the backyard, unknown breathing, and so yes, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.080 officers rushed to the scene and they find her husband. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.920 But then I believe it was about thirty minutes later 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.440 they went and retraced the nine to one one call, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:30.520 and yes, it ended with Karen Solomon's voicemail, so it 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.080 was very obvious who called nine. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.560 One one, And that's they're trying to piece this together now. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.399 And there's some questions about who was at the house, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.359 how many people were at that house, But the only 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.919 person robes at the authorities at this point are going 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.519 after is a woman by the name of Karen Solomon. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.799 She is fifty eight years old. I didn't get a 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.560 good read on how long these two had been married. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.480 Well I didn't either. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.359 They we know that they shared a home and had 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.640 been married, but there was some indication in some of 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:04.600 the ports that authorities didn't want to discuss their current 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:11.400 relationship status, and they cited domestic violence privacy rules. So yeah, 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.560 this is the AP, the AP reporting that who knows 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.520 that there was history between the two of some domestic violence? 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.399 Oh no, I saw the police reported that. I didn't 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.960 necessarily make sense of it. What are they suggesting that 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:28.000 they cannot reveal or say about their victim or about 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.720 their suspect. That is a violation of they say domestic 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.760 violence laves is what they quoted. I didn't necessarily fully 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.960 comprehend what they were. What you can't say. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.000 Right if someone's been convicted or charged or accused of 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.360 we certainly have a right to know that, and it's 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.920 certainly a matter of public records. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.600 So that was a bit confusing. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.520 And if you look at the comments in this article, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:56.320 people are rushing to judgment, saying, yes, that there was 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.200 some history, and that obviously she was exacting revenge, sure 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.000 she had had enough or there are all sorts of 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.480 people trying to fill in the blank. But clearly if 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.920 she were, if she felt like she had a right 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.520 to defend herself, it wouldn't seem like the next step 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.000 would be to flee the scene, never to be found. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:15.800 I guess. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.400 So again she fled. As the timeline goes here, it 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.880 was five thirty when the call came in five thirty 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.680 a m. On Tuesday, August eighteenth. The police were there 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.840 in twenty minutes, or they a nine to one dispatcher 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.680 called back in twenty minutes, phone didn't nobody answered, and 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.280 robes the police were on scene within that twenty minutes. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.640 They were there soon she was already gone, so she 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.760 called and bounced, is what it appears. That sounds like 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.279 somebody on the run, but she didn't look like somebody 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.359 who was about to be on the run. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.960 Exactly like if if that were the case, it's just 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.919 bizarre to see her walking in you know, not that 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:52.599 many clothing and flip flops. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.880 That's not how you get away or have a life 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.320 on the run. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.640 And look, this is a woman when you read up 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:03.880 on her, she wrote two books about the physical and 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:09.120 psychological problems that first responders have when they deal with 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.840 coming up on crime scenes. Right, so this is a 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:16.360 bit ironic. And she actually created an organization called First 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:21.960 Help h ELP and it helps those folks with mental health. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.760 So it's just interesting given her line of work and 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.960 what she dealt with in and obviously felt very passionate 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.599 about to create a whole organization surrounding this notion to 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.279 then create her own crime scene. The irony is not 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.239 lost on anyone who was reading the story. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.160 And the victim here is a thirty one year police veteran, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.160 Kurt Solomon is his name. He was found dead at 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.200 that home. They didn't identify I guess ropes, but they 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.760 think the murder weapon is do have write a sharp object? 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.640 He sound like he was stabbed in some way where 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.680 they call this a bloody scene. He was found in 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.080 the backyard, and you can only imagine bro this is. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.200 We've covered plenty of stories with when they're but when 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.560 there are firefighters who are killed or police officers who 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.279 were killed, it has an impact on not just that force, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.320 but that community in a particular way. And grew up 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.040 to see that he had been around for thirty one 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.479 years as an officer. He knew everybody, and everybody knew. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.279 Him exactly, and so it was there are some gutting 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.880 statements made by those who worked with him, who knew him, 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.440 The sheriff, the police chief, all talking about what an 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.159 incredible police officer he was and how he's going to 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.880 be missed. I believe the mayor even said he's going 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.080 to miss his warm smile at some of the meetings 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.279 that they would all be at for the community. So 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.560 this was a well known member of the community and 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:49.160 that's why this domestic violence is a little strange. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:50.120 Who knows. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.440 I mean, look, domestic violence can work both ways. We 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.479 don't know, and people are rushing to judge because Oh 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.640 he was a cop. Oh he must have been this way, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.960 he must have been that way, And that seems why 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.159 unfair given the circumstances, because, yes, I'm thinking, if she 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.800 were defending herself, if there was some altercation that took 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.360 place where there was documentation of past bad acts, you 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.280 wouldn't imagine that she would run, that she would leave 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.000 the scene, that she would she would stand there and say, 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:17.080 this is what happened. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.960 I was defending myself. For her to be on the 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:19.960 run is bizarre. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:20.560 Isn't that? 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.560 The other scenario robes, even though it might not be 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.040 as likely, is that she was the offender in whatever 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.720 past domestic violence now that goes along with her running. Yes, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.440 but we don't. Again, it was an odd thing for 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.440 the police to say. Did they have to say that? 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.560 Did they Why put that out there? I know they 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.280 got a question or something from the absurd from reporters, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.360 but that just to leave it there and leave it 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.320 hanging is now leaving everybody to guess and wonder what 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.840 in the world happened to this guy. But it's that 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.200 there is no records that they've been able to get 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:52.640 her on the phone or how they've been able to 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.560 track her, but roads it's we have seen. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.360 And we're usually pretty. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.400 It's pretty remarkable how quickly they're able and are beingion 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.000 to find folks and track folks down. This is a 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.280 woman who was lasting flip flops, and they don't seem 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:08.400 to have any idea where she is. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.320 I think that's so bizarre to me, And to the 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:16.960 point where they're so concerned about this woman's ability or 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.680 maybe reasonable belief that she could inflict harm on others. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:27.040 They've been canceling community events. There were several different community 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.240 events in the Worcester area where they were using public parks. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.480 They've canceled them, relocated them, moved them further away. That 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.200 just speaks to the level of concern they have about 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.920 this woman being out and about with potentially a weapon. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:43.679 That is alarming as well. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.280 A fifty eight year old woman you don't normally consider 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.680 a physical threat. Obviously, if that person has a weapon, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.360 that's concerning. But I just thought that was that spoke 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.839 to the level of concern this community has at this 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.120 point about what she's capable of. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.360 But we all that doesn't what is happening, that just 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.160 doesn't happen. You're canceling community events because a fifty eight 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.600 year old woman is running around with. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.360 A knife, they close public parks. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.360 I mean, I just feel like we're missing something. And 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.280 again they're doing that investigation. They have to do what 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.280 they have to do and keep some information. But there 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.160 is a reason, or maybe they're just doing that because 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.920 the community is on edge and this makes them feel better, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.480 or I don't know, but they haven't said. I mean, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.600 that move canceling something suggests there is a threat. However, 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.600 Robe they have not come out and said there is 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.520 another target or threat to the community. I don't get it. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.960 They know something we don't. But we're in five days? 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:39.840 Am I doing the math? 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:40.079 Right? 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.640 Five days now? This woman's been on a running You 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.960 got a thirty one year veteran cop dead, and we 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.760 can't find the killer, even though we believe we know 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.400 who she is. Fifty eight year old woman. What are 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.920 the chances? I still think, what's his name? Travis the coach, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.720 Travis Turner ain't found him. It wasn't be in six 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:57.920 plus months. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.840 At this point, right months, you know, and after he 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.080 was well. It was right before he was about to 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.880 be publicly accused. He had just been removed from his position. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.640 As a coach because there were allegations about child porn 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:16.199 and potentially even sexual assaults against a student, and he went, Now, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.640 that's a heavily wooded area, I believe near the Appalachian 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.040 Mountains or the Appalachian Trail. And to think that he's 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:29.040 not been found, I guess that happens. People have ways 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.439 of disappearing, whether it's through death or I would imagine 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.200 if you have no I mean, I don't know how 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.160 she's even surviving unless someone is housing her. How it 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.000 didn't seem like if you look at that ring camp, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.440 she didn't have a purse with her. It didn't look 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.880 like she had anything that you would need to actually 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.960 be able to survive for days outside of your home. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.320 You need food, you need shelter, you need water. And 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:52.719 if you don't have a credit card, you don't have 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.440 a purse, you don't have money. I don't know if 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.839 she has her phone with her, but it would seem 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.800 like she would be with someone who was housing her, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.080 helping her. How could a fifty eight year old woman 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.920 just vanish without a trace. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.760 I mean, I guess it's possible. We saw her walking 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.280 and flip flop. It's possible she was heading somewhere, and 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.160 she knew exactly where she was going as possible. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:14.600 She did get in a vehicle of some. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.040 Kind, and I don't know, I didn't see any well, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.640 I didn't see that quickly. But I don't know how 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.120 much they were saying about what she possibly had on 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.200 her that could help her survive. At some point, you 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.760 need water, some point you gotta you gotta survive. I 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.920 don't know this area ropes that well. How would necessarily 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.360 or whatever think about Travis U. I keep messing up 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.080 his name. I want to say Travis Barker every time. Sorry, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:43.280 mister Barker, but Travis Turner. He went out, he was 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.600 wearing nothing. It was cold, right, and you could you 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.600 could piece that together to why okay, and he had 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.120 a weapon with him on that. We need to revisit 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.800 that story at some point we do. What's the weather 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.800 these days? I guess it's a little warmer in that 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.840 area of Massachusetts. But bro, she can't You can't go far. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.520 You can't even walk through tough terrain based on the footing, no, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.720 but on the shoes she has. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.040 I'm looking at the picture of her, the last known 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.679 picture of her from this ring cam, and I mean 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.800 she truly has flip flops on and a T shirt 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.360 and shorts, and that she is not carrying anything like 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.920 I guess she could have. It doesn't It doesn't look 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.280 like she has anything on her from a phone, but. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.760 I guess you can have keys in her pocket. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.240 To your point, she could have strategically put her car 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.040 somewhere else. But they didn't say that a car was missing. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.200 They didn't say they were looking for a car. They 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.040 didn't say they were looking for any of that. So 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.439 this is truly truly bizarre. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.160 All I would stay here, folks. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.600 It's bizarre and it's pretty rare that there is a 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.600 female killer on the loose. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:46.120 Stay here. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.840 We'll explain the latest FBI statistics that tell us just 0:12:49.920 --> 0:13:02.439 how many female killers there are out there. All right, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.479 we continue here on Amy and TJ on this Sunday, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.680 August twenty third, where a man hunt for a woman. Wait, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.400 is there another way they say it, whether you're looking 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:10.880 for a woman. 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.480 No, yeah, because it's a man hunt. You're right, I 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:14.360 hadn't thought about that. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.040 A man hunt for a woman is very rare. You've 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.679 got this fifty eight year old woman who was basically 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.960 in a nonprofit business as we mentioned, and Help. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 First Help is this organization that she started. They actually 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:28.000 had to. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.640 Put out a statement because look, this is a big 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.600 operation that helps a lot of folks, and they felt 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.000 like they needed to say something. Yes, she co founded it, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.800 but they wanted to separate themselves from it. But it 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.600 just makes it so bizarre. Literally, she was there helping 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.200 and helping police officers and law enforcement and first responders 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.360 navigate mental health issues from responding to horrific scenes, and 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.560 then to create her own scene. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:53.440 It's just bizarre. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.280 So Help put out the statement saying, as we navigate 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.400 the days ahead, we remain dedicated to treating everyone affected 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.160 by this tragedy with the utmost compassion and dignity. We 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.199 remained faithful to our commitment to the families and first responders. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.480 First Help was created to serve. But just what a 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.240 bizarre twist, and it is rare, extremely rare. We don't 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:19.040 talk about man hunts for women killers. Potentially, I'm still 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.320 I don't know why I'm caught up on this. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.960 Is there another name for it? 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.400 You remember when they changed how we talk about the 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.560 oddest anything space travel, where you don't say a five 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:29.800 man crew or whatever. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.960 It's a what's the language now to include women? 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.720 A crude Yes, that was Actually it wasn't. People. It's crude. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.480 It's a manned mission. You can't say that it's a 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.360 crude mission. We don't write it's something about I don't 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.680 know why I'm hung up on that man hunt for 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.480 a woman? Is there another way I'm supposed to say 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.960 that a woman hunt doesn't work? 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.240 It's funny you mentioned that, because I never even thought 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.480 about it. But then, but then you're right, it does 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.280 sound funny that you have to say a man hunt 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.760 for a woman. But I don't think there is another 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.600 There haven't been enough cases, perhaps for us to try. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.800 And come up with a new phrase. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.760 And it's certainly not something we want to invite more 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.520 women to do so that we can include them and 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.359 feel so that women aren't offended. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:11.440 I think that's the thing. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.200 I don't think if you're a woman, a female fugitive 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:15.760 on the run, you're going to be upset if someone 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.440 says there's a man hunt, Like, are you going to 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.720 really get upset about that? I really am offended by 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.600 the term you used to look for me? 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:23.440 I bet, I bet you. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.200 There are some people out there who are who are 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:26.960 right now advocating to get this changed. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:27.840 A man hunt. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.960 The only thing you could say is a woman hunt. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.720 I mean, I really can't think of another way to 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:32.120 say it. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.480 And then that really kind of belies the seriousness of 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.480 whatever crime. If you have to say a woman hunt, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.000 he just that sounds crazy. But female killers, you and 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.680 I spend a lot of time, me more so than you. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.480 But it's one of my favorite shows on television, Snapped. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.120 Snapped if you have I can't remember remember who was 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.160 the original network? 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.280 Was it bratwo? Who was the original Lifetime original? 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:54.280 I don't know. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.520 Because of streaming so many places now you don't know 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.760 originally where it came from. But Snapped has been all 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.760 but thirty five plus something. And the whole thing, if 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.720 you don't know, is just profiling female killers, women who 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:11.000 have committed murder. And so you see ropes, thirty five seasons, 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.240 all these episodes, Wow, women killers are all over the 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:15.000 places in not the case. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.920 It does make you think that though it's quite funny. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.160 And if you watch and look, you introduced me to 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:20.560 the show. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:21.200 I didn't. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.160 I had not seen it before, but we started seeing 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.280 some commonalities among women, and it's so interesting and we 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.200 love nurses. Nurses are amazing, so please, please, please don't 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.440 be offended if you know, love or are a nurse, 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.480 because thank God for you heroes. But it does seem like, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.040 at least in the cases we've seen depicted on television, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.800 oftentimes they're nurses. They have access to certain things and 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.800 they I don't know, might just be able to look 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.120 at the body a little differently. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.360 But nurses. And then people who have gambling debts. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.840 There's some shop like women who trying to hide like 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.640 they shop too much kind of thing, women trying to 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.440 cover that up. That goes in line with the you know, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.840 where were the other ones? Where there are themes like 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.160 almost every single one, poverty is involved and almost all 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.760 of them some kind of insurance claim oftentimes is involved them. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.920 But oh, it's as much. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.479 You watch this show and you think, wow, women are 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.600 what just as prevalent of killers. The numbers are ninety 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.280 percent of murderers are men. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.760 Ninety I didn't know it was that high. It's that 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.640 but that makes sense, it's. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.960 That high, and the victims eighty percent are men. 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:36.719 Really wait, yes, ninety percent are men killers? 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.399 And eighty percent are male victims. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.640 But the stories we see and the things we see highlighted, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.120 every single one of those women on snap kill the guy. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.840 That's true, But I feel like every murder I see, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.119 I mean not true, I guess, But a lot of 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.159 times when you think about relationships, obviously the women are 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.360 the ones who end up being killed. And I guess 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.320 I always go back to the number one cause of 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:03.200 death for pregnant women and is homicide by the man 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:04.240 who impregnated that. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.400 But overwhelmingly it's men gilling other men in some way, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.679 form or fashion. Wow, And it's remarkable to see. So yes, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.840 if we are sitting here, we're talking about a woman 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.720 hunt robes. It's rare to even have a female killer, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.600 so it's certainly rare to have one on the run. 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:24.639 I can't remember the last female killer on the loose 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.320 that police were shutting down parks for and warning the 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:33.400 community about, and especially when that woman had been for 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.880 her entire life a community leader, a community helper who 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.840 founded a group called First Help. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:41.840 So yeah, this. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.400 Is anything but normal, anything but typical. And I think 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.520 there are still a lot of questions about what went 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.879 on leading up to this that we are that we 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:51.960 don't know about. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.320 Because this seems. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.800 This seems very there are some big holes in the 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:58.959 story that need to be filled in. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.200 We will watch this one though, because I mean the 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.920 concern that Robes is not just a story of fascination 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.960 to killer. They're actually making moves to suggest there's some 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:10.960 threat to the community. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:12.760 And this is a woman who has been helped. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:17.000