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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named doctor Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know in the new year.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to you, specifically you, if you are hearing this now.

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Speaker 1: You made it through one, which is not a thing

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Speaker 1: everybody can say. It's something anyone could say, but not

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Speaker 1: everyone necessarily mean. All right, I like that. Let's just

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Speaker 1: stay optimistic, guys. We definitely made it through which was

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Speaker 1: a really neat year. Now the four of us are

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Speaker 1: recording this and the very last week of the year,

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Speaker 1: so we all have to be super careful to make

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Speaker 1: sure that to make sure that we're uh, we're able

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Speaker 1: to hear this in two as well. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been a crazy you know, we already

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Speaker 1: did talk a little bit at the very end of

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Speaker 1: the year about all the difficult things that have happened

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Speaker 1: with us and with our our fellow listeners, with the

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Speaker 1: entire stuff they don't want, you know, family, and we're

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Speaker 1: just so glad that you are hanging out with us. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we have we have some some very very strange news here.

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Speaker 1: We um it's funny, maybe a way to get into

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Speaker 1: today's conversation. No, you know, Matt and I earlier we're talking,

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Speaker 1: we're just shooting the breeze and we're talking about Tesla's

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Speaker 1: and there are a lot of Tesla's now in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: talking about you know, just briefly. It's it's weird, folks,

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Speaker 1: It is weird when Matt Noel and I were Paul

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Speaker 1: off air, our conversations sound like shorthands sometimes because we

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Speaker 1: already know our positions on stuff like well, like Matt,

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Speaker 1: what was it? We're like, yeah, but you can't repair it.

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Speaker 1: You can't fix a tesla, right, and and then I

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Speaker 1: think we both just had the right to repair um

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Speaker 1: segments and episode just streaming through our minds, and like

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Speaker 1: if anybody had been standing next to us in that conversation,

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Speaker 1: it would sound like we were just speaking in keywords

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Speaker 1: for a second. You know. Yeah, we like to speak

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Speaker 1: this show quite often. I mainly like to speak in tongues.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, per you're you're knocking on wood

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Speaker 1: request for us making to the end of the year. Officially,

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Speaker 1: I just decided not going to leave my house. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you never know, I mean a jet engine could

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Speaker 1: crash into my house. And speaking of that, no spoilers

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Speaker 1: at all. Anyone looking for a new TV show to

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Speaker 1: watch that is about a pandemic but not a bummer,

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend this show Station eleven. It is so good,

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Speaker 1: you guys. And they dropped episodes. Oh they dropped two

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Speaker 1: you know. But you're right, Ben, We talk a lot

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Speaker 1: in fact, going to team up with some demolition experts

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Speaker 1: And thirty ms for anybody in the US of dynamite

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Speaker 1: and then blew it up at like a Matt, what

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Speaker 1: a single vehicle yet or something very very weird. And

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Speaker 1: then that I haven't followed up on that story, but

430
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Speaker 1: that that was a big debacle for that company. Emperor

431
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Speaker 1: has No Clothes exactly. As it turns out, a lot

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Speaker 1: of nuance and stuff to discuss within this story that

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Speaker 1: is ultimately on the surface kind of goofy um so,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for all the different directions we took

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Speaker 1: this and let's take ourselves in the direction of an

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Speaker 1: ad break and then we'll be back with more strange news.

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Speaker 1: And we have returned. Uh. Now this is this is

438
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Speaker 1: a new year for us, It's a new year for

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Speaker 1: all our fellow listeners, all the stuff they want to

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Speaker 1: know gang as well. So we wanted to spend some

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Speaker 1: time talking about new things. We've got some we We've

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Speaker 1: got one story we actually decided to hold for an

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Speaker 1: episode in the future. Uh spoiler alert. Things are getting

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00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: very judge dread in a non cool way over across

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. Stay tuned for that. For now, we were

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Speaker 1: thinking we would do something a little bit um I

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Speaker 1: would say, inspiring, a little bit uh exciting. There is

448
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: currently a great debate and you've heard it on this

449
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: show before fellow conspiracy realists about the future of human

450
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: interaction with technology. Well, humans all becomes cyborgs? Will humans

451
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: all become inherently gnostic with some digital version of that

452
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: living almost separately from the physical version. Yes, and yes, yes,

453
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Speaker 1: and yes, yes again and sometimes yes. Kudos the mat

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Speaker 1: also Man for h for making the choice not to

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Speaker 1: go to the theater to see the Matrix. I was.

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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: I was on the fence too. That was a tough decision,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad that you made the same one, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel so bad. Yeah, and no, you didn't

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Speaker 1: go to the theater for the Matrix yet, did you know?

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Speaker 1: I did. I started watching it. I watched about the

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Speaker 1: first ten minutes or so, and then I kind of

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Speaker 1: just drifted off. I'm not saying I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: revisit it. I do hope to enjoy it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: as big of a matrix head as some, but I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to give it a shot. I'm hearing mixed things,

466
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: but I definitely A'm gonna I want to be part

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. Yeah, is what like the first time

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Speaker 1: in my life I avoided spoilers, which is a very

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Speaker 1: weird place for me to be. But anyhow, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we talked about with the future of

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Speaker 1: technology when we are going into the future here was

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Speaker 1: how silly it may seem to future generations too. Hear

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Speaker 1: us telling stories about interacting with technology with our hands

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Speaker 1: very soon within your lifetime. As you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: it is quite possible that Typing on a keyboard may

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Speaker 1: seem as archaic as using a landline rotary phone. For

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Speaker 1: anyone younger, the audience doesn't know what those are. Phones

478
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: used to just be these single function devices, and instead

479
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Speaker 1: of a keypad you would have this weird little circle

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Speaker 1: and you would turn that circle clockwise to put it

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Speaker 1: exactly to put in numbers. And that already sounds so old.

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Speaker 1: But we're reaching a hands free future now. For the

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Speaker 1: first time in official human history, a man who was paralyzed,

484
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: human being who was paralyzed was able to post a

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Speaker 1: tweet without their hands, without the use of anybody part

486
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Speaker 1: other than the brain. So congratulations to Philip o'keith in Australia.

487
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: Philip is sixty two years old. Philip has a condition

488
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Speaker 1: called amyotrophic lateral splerosis, and he was, with the help

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Speaker 1: of a brain implant, able to make a tweet through

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Speaker 1: the power of thought alone. He manifested it. You could say,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. So how does this do dad work?

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Speaker 1: So this is a thing called a brain computer interface

493
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: or b c I. Because we're all weirdly in love

494
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: with acronyms here, this goes back to our alarm musk conversation,

495
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: because the technocrats of the world very much want to

496
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Speaker 1: do things like this, the Musk, the Zuckerberg's, the bezos

497
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Speaker 1: bases of the world. His implant comes from a company

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Speaker 1: called Synchrome, and they want to develop this implant as

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Speaker 1: a Think of it like a prosthetic, right, Like, if

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Speaker 1: you are missing a hand and your relatively privileged, you

501
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Speaker 1: can get any number of prosthetic devices that will attempt

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Speaker 1: to perform some of the functions of your biological late hand.

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Speaker 1: In this case, they're putting this prosthetic. That's the way

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Speaker 1: they would like to describe it, this implant as a

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Speaker 1: they're putting this prosthetic into his brain to replace some

506
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Speaker 1: of the other functions that he's lost due to his condition.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's an optics thing then? Like a

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Speaker 1: pr the implant sounds too creepy in sci fi. Yeah,

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00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about that too. You know,

510
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: we live in a world where people are rightly skeptical

511
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: often about invasive technology, right and and sometimes, uh, sometimes

512
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: you'll hear people freezing a vaccine as an invasive technology.

513
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: That was quite controversial for a while. Uh, And that's

514
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: because of things like the Tuskegee experiments. Just to be

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Speaker 1: very candid with this idea. You know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: the concept of ADS supported implants. Remember that it was

517
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Speaker 1: It was a number of months ago. I think we

518
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: were all sort of thought experimenting. We were exploring the

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Speaker 1: idea of an implant that would allow you access to

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Speaker 1: the Internet. And it gets very black mirror. Um, what

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00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: was that episode where the guy has to watch ads? Well,

522
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a number of merits was the name of

523
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: the end game currency that allows you to skip the

524
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: ads by spending these merits, and you earn them by

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Speaker 1: doing an exercise bike that I guess. I think it

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00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: turns out powers the world. That's pretty much done. Well,

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00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: he gets a YouTube show at the end. There's some

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: version thereof But this this conversation we had really stuck

529
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: with me. We were talking about that kind of devil's bargain,

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00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: that kind of Faustian deal. You know, you can you

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00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: don't have to type anything, you don't have to have

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00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: a physical device with you. You just have to sit

533
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: through and add for the new two thousand six dollar

534
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Tesla model Lesque battery before you can before you can

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: hear the weather or the news. Uh. I also have

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00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: the guy's tweet if you would like to hear that.

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00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. Yeah, it is pretty awesome. This is

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: coming from Thomas Oxley. Thomas Oxley is not the guy

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: with the implant. Thomas Oxley is the sincron ceo. The

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00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: tweet that you see, which is from o'keith, just says

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Speaker 1: no need for key strokes or voices. I created this

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00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: tweet just by thinking hashtag Hello world, b C I

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00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: this I don't know. I mean, things are different now

544
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: now that we know this is feasible and possible, there

545
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: are going to be a lot of eyes on O'Keefe

546
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: to see what is cognitive development is like, to see

547
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: whether this affects him. But I'm gonna say it, I'm torn, guys.

548
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: I see this as partially I see this as profoundly

549
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: inspiring and it could be amazing for so many people,

550
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of dangerous. I think a lot

551
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: of people have impulse problems. I've woken up in the

552
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: past and like looked back on the day before and thought,

553
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Speaker 1: glad I kept that one in drafts. You know what

554
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: I mean? I agree that what we need to talk

555
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: about is how it physically functions, how the technology functions.

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00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: If can we do that ben really quickly? Yeah, yeah,

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: let's walk through it. So when you're going to get

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Speaker 1: one of these things, let's say, like this person we're

559
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: discussing today, you have a LS and you're unable to,

560
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, function the way you used to function or

561
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: would like to function with your like full body paralysis

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00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: right and its advanced stages. Yes, yes, exactly, So you've

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Speaker 1: got something like that, or maybe you're just like you

564
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: right now, whatever your system, however your system functions. They

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00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: would go in and they said they went through his

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Speaker 1: jugular vein. How do they how do they keep me

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00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: from bleeding out when they do it? As it goes

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00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: or whatever? But it's definitely a dangerous procedure. I imagine

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Speaker 1: I've been over here wincing a little bit of problems

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00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: with inner internal body stuff. But they would go through

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00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: and across the top of the brain there's this like

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00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: mesh strip that kind of lays there and somehow beyond me,

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00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: your like the motor what is it? The neurons, the

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00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: things that your brain does, the signals your brain sends

575
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: in order to achieve movement still occur. This thing picks

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00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: it up, but then down through your body in your chest.

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00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Inside of your body, there's a wire that goes down

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00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: and then implanted under your skin. There's a little like

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00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: a magnetized thing here, right. And then in order to

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00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: actually use this system, you have a separate I don't

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00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: machine that has a transmitter on it and a little

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00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: piece that connects to that thing that's in your chest,

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00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: and then that's what's physically sending signals to another device

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00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: attached to your computer or your network. Right. Yeah, And

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00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: it's about the size of a match stick. The actual

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00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: stent throad itself. There's a great picture of it on

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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: the Independent article that you linked to us, and oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: it's a it doesn't look like something you would want inside.

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00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: You just gonna make that call like it doesn't. That's

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00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: the thing this is not. This is not super convenient

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00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: at this point, but this this idea where this actual

592
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: this idea is an older idea, but for it to

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00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: actually happen changes a great deal of of industries in

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00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: ways that we can't understand. This is so new that

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Speaker 1: human civilization the smartest, the smartest apes around Still I

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Speaker 1: would guess have no idea what future applications of this

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00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: could be it could be deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's um.

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00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: If you look at that independent article we mentioned, you

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: will see exactly how this system works. I would say

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00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: you could call it counting the human. You could call

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00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: it kind of a five components system. You have to

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00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: have a computer, right, you have to have an eye

603
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: tracker on that computer, have to have the SCU signal

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00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: control unit. You have to have this implant, and you

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00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: have to have that thing going into your vein. The

606
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: thing is is this is not convenient. This is not

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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: something you're gonna see Instagram influencers do as a flex

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00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: just yet. But it works so quickly after like after

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: they put it in. Uh, it took about four hours

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: for it to input texts on a computer. And O'Keefe

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00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: received this in April, so he's had it for a

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00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: while before. It was before he was tweeting on December.

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Speaker 1: And that's just so, I don't know, it seems like

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00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: too powerful unless there was a way to unless there

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00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: was a way to make sure that you know, someone's

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00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: mind didn't wander while they were thinking their tweet or

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Speaker 1: while they were thinking their comments auto forum, etcetera. UM,

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00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: this This feels like it would make things potentially very awkward,

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: Like as soon as you can transmit images rather than texts,

620
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: you can will run into some weird stuff. Also, this

621
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: is maybe the first in the field in this regard,

622
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: but it's a harbinger, it's not a novelty. One of

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00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: the other things Tesla is working on is the Neuralink,

624
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: which starts human trials this year. And yeah, I gotta say,

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: when I first read that tweet, Ben, I couldn't help

626
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: but think about what was the the line that Alexander

627
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: Graham Bell said down the line the first ever phone

628
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: call that was transmitted was like, come, I need help

629
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: or something he had like spuilt some asset or something

630
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: like that. And this this made me think of that.

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Speaker 1: This just doesn't mean, you know, it's a different kind

632
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: of worms, but it certainly is historical. And for people

633
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: like this guy who actually need this to be able

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00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: to function, uh comfortably, I think this is an incredible

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00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: But you're right, all these impulse n f T bro

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00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: weirdos that doesn't want to like shove a brain computer

637
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: in there for funzies. That concerns me. And there's already

638
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: been just for just for the record. There's already been

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00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: an extensive, extensive body of work on applying this technology

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Speaker 1: to non human animals like McCall. Monkey has been able

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Speaker 1: to play rudimentary video games using these kind of transmission devices.

642
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: It's coming, It's it's on the way, is the point. Yeah.

643
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Speaker 1: If you go to the what's the name of the company,

644
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Speaker 1: Ben Synchron Synchron, If you go to their website, you

645
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: linked us to that Ben and you can find if

646
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: you click on I think technology, you can see all

647
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: of this laid out how it actually functions. And I'm

648
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: imagining maybe wrong here, but from the images and text

649
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: on their website, I'm imagining that this functions a lot

650
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: like uh, the interface Stephen Hawking head with his mouth

651
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: where he could move a cursor essentially, because it's showing

652
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: it looks like, um, a text box right where you've

653
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Speaker 1: got a through Z zero through nine comma period and

654
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: then using this neuralalink, you can you know, your mind

655
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: is just in putting a single character at a time,

656
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: the way you would be typing if you're just using

657
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: one finger, one finger. I'm just like, right now, it

658
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: seems like they're putting things in place that will limit

659
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: some of the things you know you're talking about, Ben, Like, oh,

660
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: there's an image that now gets published on my Instagram

661
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: page or something. But you can totally see how that,

662
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, take it two or three steps down the

663
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: line and that's whoops, that's exactly what's happening. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's there's a really interesting story with the creator

665
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Speaker 1: of Stintrode and Synchrome Oxley himself. He's a neurologist and

666
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: he is also working on the idea of applying this

667
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: technology to physical movement, by which I mean, like, imagine

668
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: if you are paralyzed from the neck down, Uh, what

669
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: if this could allow you to operate a motorized wheelchair,

670
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: or what if this could because exoskeletons are on the

671
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: way to don't forget about that, folks, what if this

672
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: could allow you to operate an exoskeleton of some sort.

673
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that, Like, I think we're all still processing this

674
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: because it is so new, it is so fraught with

675
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: potential danger and potentially amazing noble things with this. We

676
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: would love to hear your ideas. Do you think you're

677
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: the kind of person who could have a brain implant

678
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: and not like accidentally post fart jokes on your social media,

679
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, acts like the butt dialing of the future

680
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: is a whole new ball game. Cybro. It's mind dialed you, Cybro,

681
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: mind dialed you. So at this point we're in the

682
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: realm of predictions and thought experiments, and I have to

683
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: ask you guys, and I have to ask everyone listening,

684
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: do we have any predictions for any hot takes? Well?

685
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: I got one from this story we're talking about in

686
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: there's gonna be an announcement that we're developing the first

687
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: mex that will have human neuropilots who will actually be

688
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: attached and control with their minds. That's gonna happen, and

689
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an announced thing, but it won't come

690
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: out for yeah, five years, and because of the neural load,

691
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: they'll have to they'll have to be co piloted. Right,

692
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Pacific rim. Yeah. I wish that. I

693
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: wish there was a third Pacific row. So great, giant monsters,

694
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: giant robots. God. Yeah, what a great prediction, Matt. I

695
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: hope you're right. I hope you're right. My second prediction,

696
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get you two in a row and

697
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: then I'll be done. Alright. The cme that I've been

698
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: predicting for you know, years now, is gonna come right, Yep,

699
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's gonna wipe out all the mex

700
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: that are in development. Dang it, this roller coaster. I'm

701
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: thinking full mad Max, post apocalypse kind of situation. Guzzaline

702
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: becomes the new currency. Um, you know, utter dust bowl

703
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: sweeping across the globe. Um, you know, weird face masked

704
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: warlords that we have to worship, shiny and chrome. Where

705
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: is the thunder dome located? Hasn't We'll get to that. Okay,

706
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: it'll it'll be in a very um. You won't be

707
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: you won't. You won't be able to miss it, Matt,

708
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: I picture like a chain, like a franchise of thunderdomes,

709
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: you know. But okay, so a little bit dystopian, but

710
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: you know that's that feels like an honest one. Maybe

711
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: it'll be a slow, incremental decline. But shout out to

712
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: all those theories about the expiration date of Empires. I'm

713
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Russia is on some around

714
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: and find out with the Ukraine. I don't think I

715
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna take the entirety of the country. Um.

716
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: But you know, as you know, at least we talked

717
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: about the soft air CRIMEA was until like nineteen fifty

718
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: four considered part of Russia, and it wasn't until Stalin

719
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: quote unquote gifted it, um that it became part of

720
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: or officially part of Ukraine. And uh, I believe that

721
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: right now the bellic those signals that Russia is sending

722
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: their paint, they're doing something very dangerous which we always

723
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: need to watch out for in international politics. They are

724
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: presenting a case of self defects. They are framing this

725
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: as though NATO North Atlantic Treaty organization is encroaching and

726
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: they're setting it up at least they're they're attempting to

727
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: set it up as being something like we Russia have

728
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves from these aggressive imperialistic war mongers. And

729
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: and of course you know that's not the perspective of

730
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: most people in Ukraine. It's not the perspective of most

731
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: people in NATO. But yeah, that's I think that's a

732
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: flashpoint to look out on. Also China and India, the

733
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: border disputes may have left Western news, but there's still

734
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: very much in play. That's another flashpoint. Um, I would

735
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: say also, we're going to see more artificial intelligence or

736
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: machine learning applied to entertainment industries, like the albums coming

737
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: out with AI producer Slash DJ, and it'll be kind

738
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: of a gimmick. Um, there's a lot of people doing

739
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: that in n f T form. Actually a buddy of mine,

740
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: um who goes by the drum operator on Instagram. He's

741
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: also the drummer for this band called bit Brigade that

742
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: does like live soundtracks of Nintendo games while a dude

743
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: like speed runs. He's making all of these generative music

744
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: n f T s still over my head, but he's

745
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: been in the space for a hot minute. Um, and

746
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's actually a useful type of n f

747
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: T and not just a dumb what lazy lion or

748
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: stupid monkey. Yeah, I've got I'll just run these last

749
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: three by guys real quick between Yeah, this is a

750
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: real one, the other two being sill. Uh. This is

751
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: real because of problems with ever Grand and several other

752
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: major property developers in China and the really the free

753
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: fall that's occurring right now and has been for the

754
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: past several months in the property market in China. I

755
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: think there's going to be global effects from that, and

756
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be another property crash or

757
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: value crash like globally or at least within the United

758
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: States as a result of that. Seriously, yeah, well said,

759
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: check out our episode on the problem of foreign investment

760
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: in real estate. I think we did an okay job

761
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: not being uber nationalistic about it or anything, but but yeah,

762
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: that will be a continuing problem. We are going to

763
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: see climate crises. I don't know if the Maldives will

764
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: go underwater just yet, but it is currently in the

765
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: running to be the first country that will no longer

766
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: have its original physical territory. It might have to become

767
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: an exclave. Uh COVID will will still be around. It's

768
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: weird how quickly things become normalized for people. There will probably, unfortunately,

769
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: be some political assassinations. That's just sort of are for

770
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: the course. UH inequality will accelerate, it's happening. Climate refugees

771
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: are already thing. Um. One prediction, because endeavoring to be positive.

772
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: One prediction I can have I can say with certitude,

773
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: and it's one that I think will make all of

774
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: us happy, is I predict that if you are listening

775
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: to this, you will write to us, you will contact us.

776
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear from you. Uh, Matt, No,

777
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we're safe with that prediction, right, definitely,

778
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: And if not, then you only have yourselves to blame,

779
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: none of us. You guys. Well you can make this prediction.

780
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: You can make this prediction. No, Matt, No, not this time,

781
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: not this time. Well, so there we are. We want

782
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: to hear your predictions for We want to hear your

783
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: ideas about the future of right to repair. We want

784
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: to hear your ideas about the future of increasingly embedded

785
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: technology in humans. Are you for it? Or again it?

786
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: As they used to say? Uh? And and we are

787
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: going to keep doing this show until the lights go out.

788
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I can't you know. I'm thinking a macro level now,

789
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: like what what are we gonna are we gonna look

790
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: back on this episode in like the first week of

791
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: and and say something like, dang, Noel was super pressent

792
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: on that mad Max thing or crap, Matt should be

793
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: a real estate mogul because he hold it. Well. We

794
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: want to hear your We want to hear your predictions, folks.

795
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Get them in, Get them in so we can share

796
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: them with your fellow listeners. And then we'll meet back

797
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: again this time next year, knock down to see what

798
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: what ended up being true? How do I participate, you're saying, Well,

799
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: you can find us on social media on Twitter and

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00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Facebook and YouTube. We are conspiracy stuff on Instagram, we

801
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: are a conspiracy stuff show. Right in to tell us

802
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: what year you think you're going to develop cancer because

803
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: of all that Topo Chico you drink and all the

804
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: p F A S in it. Uh, it'll be fine.

805
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: I'll let you know my predictions if you write to

806
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm just choking. I've hoped, but that really was a

807
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: kick in the pants reading about Topo Chico. Oh boy,

808
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Well what is life if not to be lived?

809
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: Bat and also intensely disappointing. Yeah so, uh. If you

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Speaker 1: don't like social media, you can also contact us via

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821
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,160
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