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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is Hot Pursuit. Coming up on today's podcast, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to.

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Speaker 1: Tell you about the Ferrari I drove this week in Portugal.

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Speaker 1: It's the Ferrari i'mfi.

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Speaker 2: But first we talk about Ford's nineteen point five billion

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Speaker 2: dollar right down in a pivot away from EV's and this, Hannah,

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Speaker 2: was an absolutely massive stories you can imagine this week,

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Speaker 2: and like it says a lot about not just what's

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Speaker 2: going on at Ford, but what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: Western hemisphere really or in the northern hemisphere because we've

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Speaker 2: had the US and now the EU pullback from stricter

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Speaker 2: car regulations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford,

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Speaker 1: on your show, that's an amazing geit. And basically the

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Speaker 1: news is that Ford's gonna take what a twenty million.

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Speaker 2: Dollar hit twenty billion dollar, sorry.

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Speaker 1: Twenty billion dollars to not make the evs that it

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Speaker 1: had struggled to make profitable for years. Yeah. That does

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Speaker 1: that encapsulate it? Basically, I mean.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of it's a multifaceted story. So as

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Speaker 2: everyone knows. Ford has been losing billions on EV's already,

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Speaker 2: Like the first light year it was a couple billion,

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Speaker 2: and then it was four billion, and then it was

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Speaker 2: five billion, and yeah, the Ford F one fifty Lightning

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Speaker 2: is their biggest money loser, the pickup truck that's all electric.

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Speaker 2: But they lose money on the Macke, the Mustang mock

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Speaker 2: E as well everyone they sell. So they've taken this

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Speaker 2: huge right down to cover a battery business that they

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Speaker 2: were working on with sk One in uh Kentucky. And

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Speaker 2: you know the big new plant, blue Ovale City that

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Speaker 2: they've built in Tennessee for their next generation pickup truck,

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Speaker 2: the T three. That's the interior internal code name pickup truck.

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Speaker 2: And I was I have to say, I was pretty

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Speaker 2: excited for the next generation pickup truck. Jim finally once

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Speaker 2: said it's going to be like the Millennium Falcon with

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Speaker 2: a back porch on it.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm speechless. I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I thought it was very very cool.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means either, but you know.

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Speaker 1: It's descriptive but also not descriptive.

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Speaker 2: I want a Millennium falcon with a back porch on

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Speaker 2: it and whatever. It just sounded so cool.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's from spinal tap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So initially when I heard this news, I was

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Speaker 2: I was bummed out because I thought, because you like

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Speaker 2: the lightning, right, I Well, I liked the lightning, and

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Speaker 2: I love the Ford Motor Company. I've been covering them

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Speaker 2: for decades. One of my favorite vehicles I've ever owned,

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Speaker 2: my F one fifty Raptor. I picked up at the

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Speaker 2: rouge at the truck plant in Dearborn and I got

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Speaker 2: the keys from Alan Molalley and Bill Ford, who drove Wow,

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Speaker 2: drove it out to me. So I care a lot

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Speaker 2: and I always want to see, hear about and see

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Speaker 2: new products. So I was bummed at first, But then

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Speaker 2: I started thinking, what are they going to make at

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Speaker 2: too clear. They never want to tell me all that

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Speaker 2: they know about new products, and I'm not sure they

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Speaker 2: know exactly what it's going to be either. But they

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Speaker 2: did say that they're going to build another truck there,

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Speaker 2: but not the same truck as the F one fifty. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So a completely new platform.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the sky's the limit as far as my

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, we know that, we know that to be true.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a gas powered truck. It's going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that their plan is not pivoting away

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Speaker 2: And they still they'll still probably they'll still make EV's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are performance applications for that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Or and the Porsche that you drove the I've actually

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't really tell when it's switching between

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it it can be awesome basically as the

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Speaker 2: know Jim is super excited about that, but I started

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Speaker 2: And yes, and in terms of brand awareness, I have

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Speaker 2: they want for lightweight. No no, no, I mean Ford sells

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Speaker 2: Well, Ford is still going to keep that at Okay,

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Speaker 2: they'll make that where they make the F one fifty.

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Speaker 2: has had trouble with its aluminum plant, right they had

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, maybe they go back to an

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Speaker 2: I think that would just be so cool. It's retro.

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Speaker 2: And then then I started thinking, what if they bring

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much that figures into this specific announcement.

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Speaker 1: And I admit I do not know the ins and

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Speaker 1: But it's really I would definitely say just this conversation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And the most the most interesting thing

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Speaker 2: And right now we need energy storage products, We need

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting. And this is maybe peripherally related,

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Speaker 1: but Ford, if I recall Farley, has talked about potentially

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Speaker 1: doing a partnership with Weaimo to further develop self driving

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Speaker 1: with a partnership with Weimo, not their own robotaxi fleet.

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Speaker 2: It is think for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they Ford had rgo AI right which was which

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Speaker 2: Technology, yeah, for sure. So there's just so much going on.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's a question for you. How do you think

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Speaker 1: be taking slightly different strategies here going into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: It's a really good question and it was also one

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Speaker 2: to Hot Pursuit. I'm Matt Miller here with Hannah Elliott

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Speaker 2: and Hey, Hannah, do you feel like someone's listening to you?

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, brothers listening or you know, big Jim Farley.

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Speaker 1: The navigation system was there. Now, I've asked Ferrari and

437
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Speaker 1: they haven't got back to me yet. I actually emailed

438
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Speaker 1: them this morning this morning to check. I asked, is

439
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: there a heads up display in this vehicle? Because I

440
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: couldn't find it in the car that I had. I

441
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: don't know if I couldn't find it because there wasn't one,

442
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: or it just it was user air and I couldn't

443
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: find one.

444
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: But in front of you are there in front of you,

445
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: in front of the steering wheel, are there gauges or

446
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: is this screen there too?

447
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: There's a screen there too, So the only navigation I

448
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: had was to down to my right, you know, sort

449
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: of tucked under the dashboard on the screen. Now, the

450
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: jury is still out because they haven't got back to me,

451
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: and maybe I was missing something, but.

452
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: It was I imagine you can put the directions or

453
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: at least an arrow the in what would be the

454
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: gauge cluster in front of you.

455
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope. I could. Did not find that

456
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: in my testing, but I've asked so I can report back.

457
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: It is a huge step forward that they've gone away

458
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: from little haptic screens on the steering wheel, and that

459
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: they're trying to get the screen out of your face

460
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: in the center console and I'll give you a glimpse

461
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: into the future. Hannah. When you get older, you start

462
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: to think the world's not going the right way and

463
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: I need to tell everybody why it's wrong. And hope, well,

464
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: I can change the tide a little bit. And it

465
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: feels like that's happening right now, you know, because it

466
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: you know, all of these automakers are coming back a

467
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: little bit like, Okay, we went too far with the screens.

468
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: They don't need to be you know, iPad giganto size,

469
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: and we need to have buttons for functions that use

470
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: on the regular. Now, I feel like Ferrari, the Ferrari

471
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: that I saw on your Instagram post. And by the way,

472
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: it's your Instagram.

473
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: My Instagram is Hannah Elliott XO. And that's two of

474
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: everything on Hannah Elliott. So two n's two hs, two

475
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Speaker 1: l's two t's.

476
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Speaker 2: XO Hannah Elliott XO. I was looking at your Instagram

477
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: and you you showed the steering wheel, the layout, and

478
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: really the whole cockpit interior, and I thought, yeah, it's

479
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: good that they're going back to buttons, but that's still

480
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: way too many buttons, Like it's there's one for like

481
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: answering the phone and hanging the phone up. And there's

482
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: the cruise control buttons, and there's the navigating your gauge

483
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: cluster and this is a so obviously they're turn signals up. There,

484
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: there's a start stop button, there's the manatino. You've got

485
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: the volume switch on the back of the steering wheel,

486
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 2: and you've got the track forward and back on the back.

487
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: Like there's just too much going on on the steering wheel.

488
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: I feel like ask you something, Yeah, what if you

489
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: thought that that made it feel more like n F

490
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: one car to have all of the controls on the

491
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: steering wheel so you never had to move your hands.

492
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: I get because I think that's what they're going for.

493
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean, but it doesn't because Formula one drivers aren't

494
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: answering phone calls, you know, and you know they're they're

495
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: not checking their Instagram and their gauge cluster. Like it's

496
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: it's a little silly. I get the turn signals and

497
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: I understand. Also, you know, volume up, volume down. Plus

498
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: the start stop button looks very cool there. It doesn't

499
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: have to be there, but looks very cool there. And

500
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: the manatino also is fine. Yes, it just looked to me,

501
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: like the other buttons that were clearly replacing the little

502
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: haptic screens, All of those buttons, in my pion, should

503
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: be not on the steering wheel.

504
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: And I don't disagree.

505
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: And uh they also kind of looked like black plasticy cheap.

506
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: You know, I don't disagree with you on that. That's

507
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: very perceptive. And yeah, you know, Ferrari has this way

508
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: of creating some tension between like perfect driving and this

509
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: this new car has break by wire, which means basically

510
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: that like the brake pressure feels more consistent and balanced.

511
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: And yes, that idea was put into my head when

512
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to the engineers about it, but I

513
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: also could feel it when I was driving. So the drive,

514
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: the car drives really beautifully, and yet there are these

515
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: like little things that we can quibble about inside. But

516
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: somehow that tension could be charming, right are we making?

517
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: Are we being too apologetic here?

518
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't. I would love to talk

519
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: to an engineer or a car maker CEO about I

520
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: know why they go to throttle by wire and break

521
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: by wire and electronic steering it so that you can

522
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: change all of the all of the settings with your

523
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Medentino right, yes, but why not put out a car

524
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: that doesn't have any of that? And I'm you know,

525
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: my hunt for an older nine to eleven, I've gravitated

526
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: towards a newer one. The nine point one, the first

527
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: generation of the nine ninety seven, doesn't have any of

528
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: that stuff. You know, it doesn't have even direct injection.

529
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: But it does have a clunky looking infotainment screen for navigation.

530
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: And the first thing I would do if I were

531
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: to actually buy one of those cars is I would

532
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: take that out. They sell a little cubby that you

533
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: can buy and you pull out that screen and just

534
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: put in a nothing like the GT three I have.

535
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: Because if you have if I have a throttle, if

536
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I have a clutch, if I have a stick shift,

537
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: if I have a turn signal stock, if I can

538
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: operate my windshield wipers like I would any other car,

539
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't need all the crap that's in the infotainment screen.

540
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: I just don't need it.

541
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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

542
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: And I know that Ferrari wants to appeal to some

543
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: who want the newest, and they're the highest tech, and

544
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: they're f one and all of this, and that's great,

545
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: But why not make a car that is analog. You

546
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: know what, You've got to keep up with safety regulations

547
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. I understand, But why would

548
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: a Ferrari, for example, need a digital screen in front

549
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: of the steering wheel. Why not have beautiful, expensive looking

550
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: analog gauges with little platinum painted needles, you.

551
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Know, like they could do that. But I would just say,

552
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: also as a brief note, Ferrari does feel pretty analog

553
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: compared to something like Mercedes, which Mercedes truly is pushing

554
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: the boundary here with a lot of tech self driving.

555
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: Friy doesn't have that, you know, screens that actually work

556
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: and are beautiful and not obtrusive. Frey doesn't have that.

557
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: So compared to being in a Mercedes, a new Mercedes,

558
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: the Ferrari does feel relatively analogue to what some other

559
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: automakers are doing. And I actually asked them about that,

560
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: and they seem very unbothered. They are not trying to

561
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: be the cutting edge infotainment right brand. They're trying to.

562
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: Of course, they need to be competitive and it needs

563
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: to be good, but they don't, I don't. They are

564
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: not bothered by trying to be the cutting edge of

565
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, level three self driving. For instance, I still would.

566
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this statement, but I'm.

567
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Going to guess you can say it anyway.

568
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: I would guess that if you look at how many

569
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: microchips are in a Ferrari versus a Mercedes, you're gonna

570
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: find more in the former than the latter, in the

571
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: in the Ferrari, in the Ferrari. Yeah, because this is

572
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: just it's kind of a guess based on Chris Harris's

573
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: like twenty five minute video of the Puro saying he

574
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: like went into detail explaining the suspension at every corner.

575
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: And it's basically like they have a supercomputer at each

576
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: corner of the of the vehicle. And I know why

577
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: they do that, and I and I asked benedetto Venue

578
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: about this, but I just think they could make one

579
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: one car that's for the purists, you know. And by

580
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: the way, and a Malfi or the Aroma. These are

581
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: perfect vehicles in which to put a manual transmission, a

582
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: stick shift with three pedals.

583
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: I know we need to break, but I have to

584
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: tell you this story about a dinner I had my

585
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: literally one night Impoor. I was on the ground for

586
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: one single full day, which was the drive day, and

587
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: I sat next to Rafaele de Simone, who is Ferrari's

588
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: development driver, and he is an absolute legend. He actually

589
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: told me, I'm gonna tease the story with this that

590
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: in a road car on Ferrari test tracks, he's faster

591
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: than George Russell for about five six seven laps. Whoa,

592
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: and tell George learns the track and then George catches

593
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: up and beats him. Well, I just thought that was

594
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: so cool.

595
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll hear that story on the other side

596
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: of this break. I'm Matt Miller with Hannah Elliott. This

597
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: is Hot Pursuit. Welcome back to Hot Pursuit. I'm Matt

598
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: Miller with Hannah Elliott. Hannah, you were just about to

599
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: tell us about sitting down at dinner UH in Portugal

600
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: with a Ferrari engineer.

601
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: I had literally sat at dinner next to Rafaela de Simone, UH,

602
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Ferrari's development driver, and he was telling me how Michael

603
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Schumacher would always come by through the studio. George Russell's

604
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: always coming by. He's talking with all these F one

605
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: drivers all the time, and I and they are taking

606
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: cars out and driving them and having fun. And I said,

607
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: do any of those guys ever, ask for a manual

608
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: and he goes no, and I go why not and

609
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: he goes because it's not as fast, and it was

610
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: like it wasn't even on their frame of mind. Obviously.

611
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of other things involved, but

612
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was so interesting because I knew you

613
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: were going to bring that up, Matt, and I did

614
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: ask him and he just was like, eh, it's not

615
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: as fast or efficient.

616
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: Right, But also you're talking about Formula One drivers who

617
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: are maximum twenty five years old, right, So well, except

618
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: for Lewis, but think about okay, think about Ferrari's clientele,

619
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Like I know, I'm sure that Lewis probably has an

620
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: amazing car collection and he's You're right, he's older, so

621
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: he has more experience. But most of the people who

622
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: have the largeess to buy these vehicles are I'm guessing

623
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: in their fifties, you know, sixties. They still remember the

624
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: charm of operating a motor vehicle. And I also know

625
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: that in terms of what enthusiasts want, And I keep

626
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: thinking about this in Porsche's case, because they in order

627
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: to do well by your customers buying a new car,

628
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: you should try and keep up the residual values of

629
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: your old cars. If you want a five year old

630
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: Porsche or a ten year old Porsche and you need

631
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: three pedals, you're going to pay a premium of ten

632
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: twenty forty fifty thousand dollars for the manual version. If

633
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: you're willing to take a PDK, which is fast and

634
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: efficient and undoubtedly one of the best clutches you can

635
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: buy on a road car in the world, you can

636
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: get it on the cheap. So if you really care

637
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: about like Ferrari shit I mean Porsha, sorry, Porsche should

638
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: demand that customers take like the Sport Chrono Plus package.

639
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: If you don't take that, it hurts the value on resale.

640
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: Porsche should encourage customers to buy the manual transmission because

641
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: it really helps on resale. And that just shows that

642
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: people who truly care about cars, people who value, who

643
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: covet these machines, they want that kind of engagement, not

644
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: a millisecond quick shift of a paddle.

645
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm applotting, I'm applotting, Yes, that was that was a beautiful, beautiful.

646
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: Actually, on the subject of the nine to eleven that

647
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: I want to someday purchase, I want an older one

648
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: and I don't really know which generation. Do I want

649
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: the three point two? Do I want the nine six

650
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: four nine nine, three nine nine seven. I'm kind of

651
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: honed in on that, but we get a lot of

652
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: viewer email or listener email supporting that idea that we

653
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: do an entire episode dedicated to breaking down older nine

654
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: to eleven's. Should we do that? Should we kick it off?

655
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah?

656
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a yes.

657
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: Yes, we're not starting it at this moment right now.

658
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: But you mean like kick off the year?

659
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, kick off our year? Should we do that?

660
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: Should we kick off the year with that?

661
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: I think we should.

662
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: I have t wrangle Doug DeMuro. We could always probably

663
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: get your husband to join us.

664
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a guy maybe we do a dueling.

665
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: In the Pacific Northwest, Nathan Mertz, who's a specialist. So

666
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: we'll get one of those guys on and we'll talk

667
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: about that. But I appreciated it.

668
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just had a big purchase, didn't he.

669
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just got that turbo.

670
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: No, I mean his company.

671
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: Oh what he sold his company again, that's what I hear. Wow, Yeah,

672
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: he did say when I asked him if he would

673
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: join us on the podcast. He's like, yeah, I'm trying

674
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: actually not to work that much, but I don't.

675
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, after this latest thing, I don't think he's gonna

676
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: have to for a minute. We got, uh, certain numbers.

677
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Other emails we got, we got we always get guest suggestions,

678
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: and someone suggested Zach Brown, which is a great idea.

679
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: We have had Zach Brown.

680
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: You have had Zach. He's a great guest.

681
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is. And uh, by the way, when

682
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: you talk about Charlie Agapu, the guy who works on

683
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: your some of your cars, Yes, he was a famous

684
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: race mechanic right before oh man.

685
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: He was the pit the pit boss for Ken Miles

686
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: and Carol Shelby racing at Lamont in the Glory Days,

687
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: that that movie Ford Versus Ferrari. There's a guy who

688
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: is like the Charlie person in that movie. That's Charles.

689
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: That's Charlie. Yeah, who works on the rolls races.

690
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: Well, I thought of it because someone else who wrote in.

691
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, we encourage emails at hot pursuit. No, wait,

692
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: hot Pursuit Bloomberg dot net. Is that right, Yeah, that's right,

693
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit of Bloomberg dot net. Yeah, that's right. Hot

694
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: pursuit of Bloomberg dot net. So John uh is a

695
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: longtime listener, first time caller. No, actually he's emailed us

696
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: a bunch in the past. We talk about Audi's with

697
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: him and stuff. But he was at an event where

698
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: he ran into a guy called Carl Friedrich who apparently

699
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: was Fongio's mechanic. Oh like back in the day. And

700
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: he sent a picture of this guy, which I thought

701
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: was very cool. So I'm always interested in hearing about

702
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: old timers who worked with these legends the day, and

703
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: I don't think they get enough credit, right. I mean,

704
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: the driver takes some kahonas. You need some some skill

705
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: and some courage, but you have to have good mechanics.

706
00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: What is your mechanic? Unbelievably so true. I mean, to

707
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: find someone who's honest and capable and quick is really difficult.

708
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm seeing this picture that John sent. Wow,

709
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: we should cool. He is a treasure. He John says,

710
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: he's quite the treasure to have still around. And it's

711
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: so true. These guys are really legends. If any By

712
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: the way, I was thinking this the other day, if

713
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: I was starting out again, maybe I should be a

714
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Rolls Royce mechanic because there's a lot of demand. I

715
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: think you could have a good career.

716
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: It looks like I don't Also the picture that John sent,

717
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: it looks like Carl Friedrich. This mechanic is standing next

718
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: to Wayne Kreini. Is that Wayne Kreini? I don't know.

719
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it is.

720
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: That's not my generation, so I'm not sure.

721
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Wayne Creeney, he's the car restorer, right

722
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: chasing classic cars is.

723
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to. Yeah, No, I truly don't.

724
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: I only watch reality TV.

725
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: Al right, Well, we do love pictures, and don we

726
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: also a longtime listener sent He's kind of helping me out,

727
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: giving me advice on where to look in terms of

728
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: and he seems to have an amazing car collection himself.

729
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: I was talking about a Ferrari threeh eight and I

730
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: keep seeing them on BAT and they don't go for

731
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: too much more than than nice old air cold Porsche's.

732
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: He says, look if you want a threeho eight, but

733
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: you're worried about how tall you are? And don I

734
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: think himself is like six'. Four, yes he, says look

735
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: at the. Mondial AND i always immediately discount the mondial

736
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: because my old boss way back here At BLOOMBERG tv

737
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: had a mondial In bronxville and he was trying to

738
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: sell it to me all the. Time SO i always

739
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: think if he had one and he wants to sell it.

740
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: To, me criminally.

741
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: Underloved, Yeah i'm looking at the picture Of. Don's it looks.

742
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: NICE i, know you, KNOW i have always heard it Pronounced. Mondyle.

743
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: OH i could be wrong BECAUSE i always thought it

744
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: was A bugatti. Chirone is that? Right sheiron Or? Kirn?

745
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: OH i, Say Sharon kirn is what goes on THE tv.

746
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Screen so maybe About you're totally, right The Bugatti Sharon.

747
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Kirn that is A cnn.

748
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 2: Thing you, Hear? Mondele, Yeah mondyle. INTERESTING i. Assume i'm

749
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: sure we're.

750
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: Going to get a letter about. This But i've always

751
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: heard BECAUSE i just saw one at The Best cars

752
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: And coffee In la. Lately is the one At Griffith's.

753
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: Park Griffith, park it's every Last sunday of the, month

754
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: and there was a very cool mon dial there and

755
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: everyone around me was Saying. Mondyle, OH i believe, you

756
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: But i'm not correcting. You i'm just, saying, oh that's.

757
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: Interesting except for you did also think it Was, burmester

758
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: AND i.

759
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Don't, KNOW i, KNOW i thought it Was.

760
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: Burmeister, ah, yes It's.

761
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Burmester did you do did you google it and then

762
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: listen to LIKE i talk to someone about. It, also

763
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: there's NO I i, know WELL i, know but the Tomato,

764
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: toabad but you're saying it's yes and.

765
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: All everything brings me Back porsche's like My. Miata everything

766
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: brings me back to The. PORSCHE i don't know when people,

767
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: spec especially like high End. Porschas if you're already paying

768
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: like one forty or one fifty for the nine to

769
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: eleven of your dreams and it's like a FOUR s

770
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: cab or, whatever why don't people spec The burmester the

771
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: higher end. Stereo everybody specs The bows and then if

772
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: you're looking at the used you, know the classified, ads they're, like,

773
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: oh and it has the high end bows stereo, system

774
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: but that's not nearly as good as The. Burmester in,

775
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: fact it sounds.

776
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: Horrible, YEAH i, mean it's a great. Question oh didn't

777
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: you say THAT gm had some also audio. News, yes

778
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: this is changing a little, bit but you mentioned it to.

779
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Me, yes so this is very. COOL gm of, COURSE

780
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: i would, say either famously or infamously is getting rid

781
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: Of Apple CarPlay in most of its, offerings which is

782
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: fine because their infotainment system is so good that you

783
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: don't Need Apple. CarPlay you already Have Google maps and everything.

784
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: Else BUT i Use Apple. MUSIC i don't Use. Spotify

785
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: my wife Uses. SPOTIFY i can't figure it. Out Apple,

786
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: music to, me is is the best because has EVERYTHING i.

787
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: Need it's on, demand and it's, LIKE i don't, know

788
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: ten dollars a. Month AND gm is now Putting Apple

789
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: music in their own infotainment. System so if you were,

790
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: LIKE i don't want to get A gm car because

791
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 2: it doesn't have car, play And i'm An Apple music

792
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: guy or, gal, yeah you, person that's a great neutral.

793
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Word convenient.

794
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: You now you don't have to worry about that because

795
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: they Have Apple. Music that's.

796
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: GREAT i Watched Spinal top last night for obvious, reasons

797
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: and it reminds me of The. Doubly remember the scene

798
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: where the girlfriend's Mispronouncing. Dolby, No she's, like she's telling

799
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: him they make they mixed the album, wrong but it's

800
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: should have been in. Double they're, like you Mean, dolby.

801
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 2: But that actually is an important point ON gm, also

802
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: so they will Have dolby Atmost, yes in The. Cadillacs

803
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: AND i was trying to, see yes we've reported, that

804
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: which which brands you've reported? It MAYBE i didn't, notice

805
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: but it's Only, Mercedes, Audi, Lucid, Polestar cadillac And. Rivian

806
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: those are the only ones that Have dolby.

807
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Atmost, well you may recall our wonderful, Guest Tim pride

808
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: who joined us From, dolby who is the head Of Dolby.

809
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: Music he still, is remember.

810
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: Him, Yes AND i remember when you were when you

811
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: were listening to At. Moost weren't you in A?

812
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: Cadillac, Yes, YES i. Was and it was one of

813
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: those things WHERE i went for a test drive and

814
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: then they're, like, oh, here come sit in the, car

815
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: and we're going to do like this Whole we're gonna

816
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: have a whole presentation about AND i was just kind of,

817
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: like why AM i wasting my time doing? This AND

818
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: i was kind of. Annoyed THEN i got in the

819
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: car With tim and it was awesome and he completely

820
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: changed my mind about it and why it's important all.

821
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: This he told me all this really cool, stuff SO

822
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: i get. It now because BEFORE i was just rolling

823
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: my eyes thinking this is such like a marketing.

824
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: THING I i'm gonna dig a little deeper BECAUSE i

825
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear. It AND i don't think even

826
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: If i've been in a car that Has dolby, Atmos

827
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: i'm not sure IF i was paying very close. Attention

828
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: but next week is Is, christmas and we won't be, here,

829
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: right that's, Right we're taking it.

830
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: Off we're going to take. Off we're going to go to,

831
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: ground go to, ground re.

832
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: Energize we've only done this once before where we skip

833
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: where we skipped a week.

834
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: AND i think it was last it was Last, Christmas, no,

835
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: no Last New.

836
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: Year it WAS i was In italy this, summer, remember

837
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: and we but we recorded with you From. ITALY i

838
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: think we recorded one week and then the next, week

839
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: did you? R? Really we just picked the greatest hits. Thing?

840
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: Wow time?

841
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: Flies and but the good news is we have something

842
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: now to give to our, listeners at least at least one.

843
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Listener we have a present for. You let's see who it.

844
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: Was i'm looking back in my. Emails we have, Yes,

845
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: clarence we have a present For. Clarence we're going to

846
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: replay The Zach brown. Episode, yeah and.

847
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: WOW i think it's timely because of how the season.

848
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: Ended But Zach brown just an interesting guy in.

849
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: General, yeah but also What they won the Constructors championship

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00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: And lando won The Driver's. Championship, Right AM i wrong about?

851
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: This, no you're, Right you're. Right you're.

852
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: RIGHT i don't Watch Lando, lando but you know it was.

853
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: Close he only won by two points in the. End

854
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: it was, close nail.

855
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: Bider i'm happy for. Him, YEAH i, know more of

856
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: a MOTOR vp. Guy. Anyway have a fantastic holiday, season

857
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: whatever you.

858
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Celebrate, YEAH i Celebrate. Christmas it's a pretty.

859
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: HOLIDAY i Celebrate festivus for the rest of. Us check

860
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Out hannah's columns and stories On bloomberg Dot com and

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