1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk, joined by the Beat reporter for 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the Giants Insider newsletter and podcast, the one and only 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: friend of the program, Chris Busy. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Now, Chris, what's going on, man? 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 3: John? I'm doing good man. How about you? 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: That's not New York City behind you? 9 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 3: Is it? 10 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: That does not look like the New York City skyline? 11 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: What is that? Chicago? 12 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 3: It's a little city skyline behind me. 13 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: You know it's not New York. 14 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: It's like Midwest. You know, it's like just basically basically 15 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: a city skyline, you know, random city, all right. 16 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. 17 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: I was curious what this offense would look like with 18 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Matt Nagge as the offensive coordinator, right, because what he 19 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: did in st coach in Chicago, what Andy Reed has 20 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: always done has been, you know, shotgun wide receivers on 21 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, they played two tight ends sum in 22 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City, but it wasn't an undersent their power running 23 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: game with two tight ends, right, you tried to use 24 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: that to impact the past game to it you know, 25 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: a just personnel on defense, but it seems like just 26 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: based on the personnel that they brought in, this might 27 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: be Matt Maggie's the offensive coordinator, but this is going 28 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: to be a John Harbaugh type of offense. 29 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question about it. I think you've seen 30 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: it already. I think you go to see that in 31 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 3: training camp, you know, with somebody's signing. So it's it's look, 32 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 3: John Harbo is a you know, run first type mentality. John, 33 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: you know, Uh, he'll always adjust to his personal we 34 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: know that. But that's what John wants to do. Like 35 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: his brother Jim. You know, Jim went a national championship 36 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: in Michigan with basically a run first, power, run your 37 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: game type game with JJ McCarthey over there, and that's 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: what you know John wants to do here, you know. 39 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: So that's what you're seeing man, that you know that's 40 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: Harbor DNA man. I want to impose my will, I 41 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: want the big guys up front. I want to run 42 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: the ball, and of course we're going to throw it too. 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: But look, uh, you know, Jackson dott is going to 44 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: be under center a lot with Matt Daggie and John Harbor. 45 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: That's the way I see it so far. 46 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. 47 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: You already talked touchdown a card, so I'll swap past him. 48 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: Isaiah likely was the first domino to kind of fall 49 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: off the board. And I think as much as I 50 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: hate losing Daniel Bounders that he's he's a great dude 51 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: first of all and a good player. I think Likely 52 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: does bring a little bit more balance to the room, 53 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: right because it gives you, like that one true off 54 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, f spread wide receiver that can 55 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: play the slot, play outside, and really brings that kind 56 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: of big wide receiver skill set that probably no one 57 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: in the Giants tight end room had last year, where 58 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: they had more two way guys. 59 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: You know, right right, I mean, you know you could 60 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: you could move around Isaiah's so much. You know, he 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: could run Rause off the inline. You know, he runs us, 62 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: he'll run foot, He'll run different routes in the slot, 63 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: you can line them up, but even on the X right, 64 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: you could do so many things with him. And you 65 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: know what, John, you can line them up in twenty 66 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: two per personnel too, because you know he's a little 67 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: bit of an underrated blocker in line. Yeah, a lot 68 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: of people, you know, I remember when he was signed 69 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: that a lot of people was saying to be, hey, Chris, 70 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: this guy kid, he does a block. He's just basically 71 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: qualified receiver. Not necessarily true. 72 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure you want him on like defensive ends, 73 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: but you get him to the second level on linebackers 74 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: and defensive backs, he's fine. 75 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: Right, right, he's underrated block. I'm not saying, you know, 76 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's George Kittle, but I'm saying he's 77 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: don't don't under reestimate his game and wanting to mix 78 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: it up a little bit and blocking, you know. So 79 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: obviously that's a guy you can move around all over 80 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: John He's gonna be a weapon for Jackson something you know, 81 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: Matt m Naggie will utilize using him, trying to get 82 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: those mismatches and all that. He's a great scene route 83 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: runner two eyes. I always like Isaiah's seam route running 84 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: in Baltimore. You know, his hands have gotten much better, 85 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: you know, as far as reception wise, he could get 86 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: in the end zone. So it's a nice weapon for Dodd. 87 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: And obviously, depending the league neighbor's return from injury, he's 88 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: probably the giants best run after catch guy too. At 89 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: this point, I would think right to see how he 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: breaks tackles, he gets downfield, he makes guys miss, you know, 91 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: until Neighbors gets back. He's probably their best run after 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: catch weapon with the departure of Wando Robinson. 93 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, John, you know, with the departure of Wandell, 94 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 3: like you said, he is their number two yak guy 95 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: right now. You know, of course we're assuming the league 96 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: is back and healthy hopefully, you know, but yeah, he'll 97 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: be in the number two yach guy. You listen. You 98 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: can use him in so many different ways, Isaiah and I, 99 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: you know, I expect Naggie to use him a lot 100 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 3: of different moving him around. He's one of the top 101 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: motion tight tight ends two in the league. You know, 102 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: he was always moving up the line in motion, you know, 103 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: prestat motion, all that stuff. So it'd be interesting to 104 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: see how to use him. 105 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, clearly John Harbor knows that he used 106 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: him from from Baltimore. 107 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: He shared stamps there with Andrews. 108 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: He'll share time here with with Theo Johnson too, So 109 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: fans don't get obsessed with the production. But I think, 110 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, Matt Naggy, I think we'll bring something interesting 111 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: with him from Kansas City with how they use Travis Kelsey, 112 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: who I think is built similarly to. 113 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: Likely and then can be used in similar ways. 114 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, you know, you know, the big thing with Isaiah, 115 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: like Travis and Patrick Mahomes, a lot of the improv, 116 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: a lot of the prov right, Mahome out of the pocket, 117 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: boom you move with him. That get in on the 118 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: same page with Jackson. You know, a lot of those 119 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: option routes over there too, like a lot of Travis 120 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: kelce game boom, the five to seven yard option routes. 121 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: He's on the same page with Mahomes all those years. Right, 122 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: they're both going to the Hall of Fame someday. But 123 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: that's what you want. That's what they're gonna have to 124 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: work on training camp with Jackson and Isaiah. You gotta, 125 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: you know, get get on the same page with those 126 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: option routes, man, because that's a big part of Isaiah's game, 127 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: And and Matt Naggy had a big part of his 128 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: offense over there was those improv slash option routes. And 129 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: you know, Isaiah's, like you said, Johnny, obviously it's not 130 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: Travis kelcey, but he's he's sort of like in that 131 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: mode right where you could use him like that. That's 132 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: what we're talking about here, you know. It was so 133 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: uh he Hey, that's what they're gonna be working on OTAs 134 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: and training camp heading into the season. Those two guys, 135 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: Jackson and Isaiah getting on the same page. He's gonna 136 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: be huge. 137 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, he is one part of I think 138 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: replacing Wondo Robinson, even though they played different positions. I 139 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: just think in terms of the past game, he will 140 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: replace him in terms of snaps on the field and 141 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: in terms of usage. The other part of trying to 142 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: replace one who obviously just got too expensive for the 143 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Giants to bring back was bringing in Darnel Mooney from 144 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta and then bringing in Calvin Austin the third from Pittsburgh. 145 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on those two guys and how they will 146 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: work together to replace some of the production you're losing 147 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: with Wanda Robinson departing to the typees. 148 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know, Donohoe Moody is so interesting, right John, 149 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: because he's had like an up and down career where 150 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: one year, I think it was a couple of years ago, 151 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: he had like a thousand Jodge received. I think it 152 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: was twenty twenty three if I'm correct. 153 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four with twenty twenty four with it was 154 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four with cousins, and then twenty twenty one 155 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: whereas were two big years. 156 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: Right, he's had a couple of good years that he's 157 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 3: kind of been down, you know, and all that stuff. 158 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny job because you look at Donnell 159 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: and he could he could slide into your number two receivers. 160 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: He's talented enough to be your number two. He's done 161 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: it before. Okay, he's done before, so he'll be an 162 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: interesting one, you know. Like I said, it's a low risk, 163 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: high reward type signing with Donnell. You could get a 164 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: lot of production out of him. You could because he's 165 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 3: got that type of town, you know, and Calvin Awsin. Hey, 166 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: look you look at the guy. Uh, he could get 167 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: down the field, no question about. He get the He 168 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: can get over the top of a defense. He could 169 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: use you can use him a lot. And as a receiver, 170 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: right receiver, I'm sorry, Oh my god, Jean. Receiver screens type, 171 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: you know, those little smoke screens and a lot of 172 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: stuff you use them in that type of game, and 173 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff so hey, they're gonna make up. 174 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: But look, it's it's a lot John, because you know, 175 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: you're talking about a guy that walked out the door 176 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: in Wandel Robson, who's had one hundred and eighty plus 177 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: reception of the lands to the season. It's a lot 178 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: of production, you know. So, uh, they'll make it up 179 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: in other ways, but uh, mooney to me, John Moody's 180 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: gonna be an interesting one because he has done it before. Okay, 181 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: he has done it before, and let's see in twenty 182 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: twenty six, could he get a lot of that production back. 183 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that was I thought that 184 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: was a pretty damn good signing by Joe and John 185 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 3: because he could be a very productive receiver. 186 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Before you do you think he fits in mostly in 187 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: the slot? Chris? Do you think they're gonna play him outside? 188 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: I think there go the boat. I think they'll do 189 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: both with Donell. You know, he could play the outside, 190 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: He'll play in that slot. You know. I think they'll 191 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: mix it Matt like Isaiah. You'll see Isaiah outside some 192 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: tidy Isaiah a slot down on the outside. Obviously, Bleak's 193 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: going to manny X. You know, when Malik is there, 194 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: so you'll see him utilize both ways. 195 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here, 196 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 2: you gotta go over the middle with at the score. Great. 197 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: How do we make that happen? I don't know, but 198 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: Citizens does makes sense of your money with Citizens Official 199 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: Bank of Eli Manning. 200 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's jup over to the offensive line, Chris, 201 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: where they bring back Jermaine Luminora, which I guess we 202 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: should start there right because I think it's something they 203 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: had to do. They just weren't a lot of available 204 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: replacements available at tackle. I did not like the idea 205 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: of going into the draft having to draft a tackle that. 206 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: You would just plug in there and start. 207 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: I like Marcus bow I wasn't sure I was super 208 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: comfortable just handing him the job with that legitimate competition 209 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: out there. So to me, I didn't think that much 210 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: of a choice. And frankly, I thought they got him 211 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: back on a pretty good deal. I thought he was 212 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: going to go for fifteen plus illumina or so. I 213 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: think you got to be pretty happy to have him 214 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: back in the building on that contract. 215 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, John, I was surprised. I was surprised by that contract. 216 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: I go d Moore and ma get either from the 217 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: Giants or from another team. But hey, that was a 218 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: really good deal, you know, in three years, was it, 219 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: thirty nine whatever it was to have a solid play 220 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: it back to be here to John, you know, he 221 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 3: didn't want to leave. To me, you know, I remember 222 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: speaking to News out of his locker, you know, at 223 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: the end of the season, John, and he was a 224 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: guy He says, man, I hope. Look, it's a business. 225 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 3: I know I could be gone, I might not be back, 226 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: but man, I want to be back. You know, this 227 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: is a guy that has embraced you know, he's from Jersey. 228 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: I know he wasn't born here, but he grew up 229 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: in Jersey. He loves it here, loves being a giant. 230 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: You know, some guys, Johnny, you talk, hey, I love 231 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: being the time, and you say, okay, yeah whatever. This 232 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: guy truly truly loves being a giant. Man. He wanted 233 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: to return and worked out for both sides. Right. He 234 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: got a lot of money, maybe not as much as 235 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 3: he thought when the agency started, but this is the 236 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 3: way sometimes the market cheaps up, you know. But he's happy, right, 237 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: It's not like he's Okay, I signed this contract, I 238 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: you know this is ball. I thought I was gonna 239 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: get more, so I subtled it. No, he's happy. Everybody's happy. 240 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: And you got a solid right tackle back in the mix, 241 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: and somebody that John Harwoe is probably not gonna recognize 242 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: from his first round because John, because John drafted him, 243 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: he was a god and all that, and he was 244 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: not a very good football player. And folks, Jermaine will 245 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: tell you that, right. He'll tay that right. He'll be 246 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: the first ting to tell you I wasn't good back 247 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: at twenty seventeen. You know, That's why I got traded 248 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: at it there. But you know what, it'd be interesting 249 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: John around him. Now, John Harwell was gonna look at him. 250 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: Obviously he knows about Jermaine, but man, he's gonna be like, man, 251 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 3: you are one different dude. So what I remember you 252 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: when we made draft year. So he's look, he turned 253 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: out to be one of the better right tackles in 254 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: the game, right John. So the Giants have to be 255 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: happy at least they know going into the draft, Hey, 256 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: that's that position is solidified. 257 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: All right? So how about right guard now, Chris? 258 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Because they've thrown some numbers at the problem, right Aaron 259 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: Citty back and then you'l back Josh as you do back. 260 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: But Greg Van runs to a free agent and guard 261 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: market still has some players there. It has been some 262 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: guys have signed, some of the guys that were more 263 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: towards the top of that market. Do you think this 264 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: is an eventual GVR returns? Is this gonna be someone else? 265 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Foulela is somebody that's still out there. He was 266 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: with Harball and Baltimore. What do you think the Giants 267 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: do here? Is right guard or do you think the 268 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: starter is currently on the roster? 269 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: I tell you, John, this is this is a tough one. 270 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure with the thinking here. I thought 271 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 3: they might go fall Lah. You know, he's John's guy Baltimore. 272 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: He's coming up with kind of a down year. But 273 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: John Dolsan he had here for he's a monster guy, 274 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: right guy. I also thought Van Roaden would be back 275 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: by now. I gotta be honest with you, John, But 276 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 3: obviously you look like they might move on him, or 277 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: they might bring him back. 278 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think here Van Ron didn't resign 279 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: to what may something like that. 280 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: It was kind of a little bit of the later resign. 281 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: He was a lay he might be a late one. Again, 282 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I Look, the one guy I was 283 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: kind of eyeing up to see if they head of 284 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: interest was obviously White Tella, somebody that Harble played against 285 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: numerous times. You know, when he was Cleveland, he moved on, 286 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: he went. I think he went to Houston a couple 287 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: of years, got a nice deal there. So I'm not sure. Look, look, 288 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: I don't think they're sitting here saying, Okay, it's gonna 289 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: be a competition between Aaron Stinney and Evan Neil and 290 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: Marcus Baul. I'm not sure. Do they have bow Pennsylvan 291 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: the right guard? Is he? Is he a guard starting 292 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: in trading camp while so we'll see in Ota is 293 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: what they're thinking a little bit. But I don't know, 294 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I would imagine right now, the 295 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: way the ross is situated, that Marcus Bau would be 296 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: the front runner in this competition. But I wouldn't rule 297 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: out Van Roten yet. It's getting you know, like you 298 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: said last year, he's signed late. Maybe he'd be signed now, 299 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: but he's not. But we'll see how Right now, it's uh, 300 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: it's it's kind of a question walk what they're gonna do. 301 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: I would imagine Marcas Bau as the front runner. 302 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Interesting, you know, we just don't know what Harbon and 303 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: Bloom didn't think of bo Do they see him as 304 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: a guard and they think him of the tackle? You know, 305 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: without that information, it's it's kind of hard for us 306 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: to come to that conclusion. 307 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you know, because you know he was kind 308 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: of a string tackle lant. He was a string tackle 309 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: last season. Are they thinking about him as a string 310 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: tackle in? It might be? You know, we just don't 311 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: know what they're thinking. Yeah, we'll start knowing war in 312 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: ot as you know, but right now it's kind of 313 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: a question mark. 314 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you. 315 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: Anything else on offense that that kind of drew your 316 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: attention as a Hodgens back in the building, he's the 317 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: guy they brought back. Anything else on the offensive side 318 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: of the ball that that really drew your attention? 319 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: Uh No, not no, not really. Listen. Like I said, 320 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: I like the moon He's signing. I'm old school, so 321 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: I love the records signing John. I gotta be honest 322 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: with you, that drew my attention. I was curious, Sean 323 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 3: if they were gonna go if they were gonna do that, 324 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, And when I saw that, that drew my 325 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: That's like, as soon as record was brought in the building, 326 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: they signed. Man, I was like, man, pol bost All, 327 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: he's up. He's at nighttime. He's dreaming about Scatterbo running 328 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: behind this dude, or you Eddy John, or well at 329 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love running behind this dude in the future. Okay, 330 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: well we'll get to that down the road. But man, 331 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: you know, all I saw is Harble looking at those 332 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: twenty two personnel and stuff and saying, man, we're going 333 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: to pound the ball at this opposition and all that stuff. 334 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: So that really drew my attention. I recalled signing. It 335 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: was like, wow, you could just see what Harbo was thinking. 336 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: Many absolutely Johnson. 337 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: The podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official Bank 338 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: of the Giants, from gaming day celebrations to your everyday 339 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: financial needs. Big New fans get the most out of 340 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: everyone with Citizens. Learn more at citizens bank dot com 341 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: slash Giants. All right, let's squeeze into special teams here, Chris, 342 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: because clearly a priority the Giants turning over both their 343 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: punter and police kickers here. Jason Sanders, former Dolphin didn't 344 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: play last year at the hip, but before that remarkably 345 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: consistent as a field goal kicker with the Dolphins. Comes up, 346 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: and then they bring in Jordan Staut with the biggest 347 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: punting contract we've seen. 348 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: He comes in. 349 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: He's gonna replace Jamie Geitlin, obviously a Pro bowler, former 350 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: All Pro as well. So John Harble to make sure 351 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: this special teams along with Chris Warren is special teams coordinator, 352 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: is where it needs to be. 353 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, you can't get those that blood Adam, but 354 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: he's that's his blood line, right, Harbo. He's a special 355 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: teams guy, and they became a head coach, know when 356 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: he but hey, look, you know, no question about it. 357 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: Jordan Stout. I mean, you know, I think Jordan style 358 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: has like one hundred punts inside the twenty five line 359 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: the last I mean, it's you know, he's just an 360 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: excellent punt of man, he's one of the best in 361 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: the football. The Giants rave the highest pained part of 362 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: Like I said the beginning of the show, John I was, 363 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: that's John Harball all the way. I think if John's 364 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: out here, Joe doesn't make him the highest paid punter 365 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: in the game. But that's Hey, that's that's what John 366 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: loves and Jason is saying is like you said, you 367 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: know he missed at the last season, but before that, 368 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: you know, with Miami he's you know, he's set record 369 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: at consecutive field goals and all that stuff. High percentage. 370 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's second only to the 371 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: Lando mara Is something in field goal percentage something like that, 372 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: and field goal is made for Miami. So this is 373 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 3: a guy that you know, he's out a whole year, 374 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: he comes back. Hey, look, you know he comes in 375 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: here and you say, okay, he's healthy. Now we got 376 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: a pretty damn good kicker, you know, and Jason Sanders, 377 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: so huge upgrade. You know, obviously the Giants have had 378 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: had some very strange issues, but field goal kicks the 379 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: last few seasons and punters and hawball I think has 380 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: solidified those two positions. But let's not forget one little surprise. John. 381 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: I thought maybe Casey would be back as a long snapper, right, 382 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: but he's moved on, So they're gonna have to bring 383 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: somebody in for that. 384 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no long snapper. Yeah. 385 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: We had a caller into Big Blue Kickoff on Tuesday, 386 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: very concerned about the long snapper position. So we'll have 387 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: to see what And I just said, look, John Harper 388 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: is not going to go into the season without a 389 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: long snapper he trust. So if you're a fan out there, 390 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I would not be concerned about that. All right, let's 391 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: jump over to the defense. I will work outside in 392 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: So let's start at safety. They lose Dame Belton, he 393 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: moves on, but they bring in not only are Darius Washington, 394 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: who had a great year in twenty twenty four, coming 395 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: off an injury last year with the achilles tendon played 396 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of games of the year, and also 397 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: bringing back Jason Pinnock, former starter. So I actually think 398 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: they're in a better spot right now with safety, with 399 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: their depth than they were before the offseason started. 400 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, depth though, I has no question about. Hey, 401 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell a lot of Giants fans, John, you're 402 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: gonna like this all Darius Washington, Oh yeah, telling you 403 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: right now because two years ago for forty injury, he 404 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: was making plays out there for John Albo and Zachway. 405 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: He was making plays. Man, he's a nice little player. 406 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: He's healthy. Now, Giants fans, you're gonna like this guy. 407 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: Trust for I'm telling you so for people that I 408 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: maybe familiar with him. Pinnhawks guy. Hey look, a big safety, 409 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: big kid. You know, we all know good locker room guy, John, 410 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 3: good teammate man, smart player. We saw him here for 411 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: three years. You know, he comes back after the year 412 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: with San Francisco. A big guy. He could go to 413 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: help that stop that run. I think a guy's gonna 414 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: get snaps, no question about it. So nice depth there. 415 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: Elijah Campbell's wool like that special teams guy is harball again. 416 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: You'll look, Dame Belton was the best special team player, 417 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: right John. Let's face it, Dame was the best. He's 418 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: on with the Jets now. Elijah Campbell kind of fills 419 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 3: that roll hopefully, you know, special teams wise, So a 420 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: lot of depth there. It'll be interesting in training camp 421 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: with those guys, you know, with Newman and Javon Holland. 422 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: Is this a signal that we're gonna see a lot 423 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: more three safety packages? 424 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: You think, Chris? 425 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. I think Pinnock really 426 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: helps with that run game, you know what I mean. 427 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: Obviously the Giants have not been good against the run. 428 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: You know, Charlie Bollin who's the run right rushing game 429 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: specialized all that. He put a lot of three safeties 430 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: in last year to help stop that run. I thought 431 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: he did a pretty decent job the last few games 432 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: when he had Belton in there, you know, Tyler Newman 433 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: and all that and Holland. I thought he did a 434 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: better job stop and I think you'll see that. I 435 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 3: think I guess something to look forward to, uh in 436 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 3: training camp to see what they're thinking, all right. 437 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: And then on defense, Cordo Flott Leaves gets gets a 438 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: nice contract. Just like every player that one's played for 439 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: the Giants and Jets got in tend to see this 440 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: offseason as they just try to combine, like the twenty 441 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: twenty four Jets and Giants into one super team. But 442 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: they replaced him with Greg Newsom, who to me is 443 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: kind of the defensive version of darn Ol Mooney, or 444 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe Mooney's the offensive version of of Greg Newsom. Right 445 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: where they've had a couple of good years, they've had 446 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: a couple of years that maybe weren't the best, but 447 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: they have guys that are physically gifted. 448 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: You've seen them play at a high level. 449 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: Now you just hope in the system they're being brought 450 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: into they can repeat that performance. 451 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like you said, like Greg is the same 452 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: way Newsom man. I mean, you know, it's a fuller 453 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 3: number one pick who's played a lot, who played a 454 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: lot of good ball in Cleveland, gets traded last season, 455 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 3: did not play well for Jacksonville, actually was benched a 456 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: few games, did not play well. So you got to 457 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 3: hope that rebound there. But it's another look. Obviously he's 458 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: gonna be in there for a flat at the beginning 459 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: of camp, but another low risk hy what type signing. 460 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's a one year deal where you could 461 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: get some good football out of him. You know, he's 462 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: talented kid. You know, Johnny's the town the guy man. 463 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 3: Let's see now with Denaud Wilson. Look, Greg likes to 464 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: play that man press. He likes to get up with 465 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: your grill. Okay, and you're gonna see a lot of 466 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 3: that with dond Wilson over here. So let's see if 467 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: you know brings out the best. He kind of look, 468 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: I think Newsom kind of looks at it like, Okay, 469 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm a former number one pick. I'm on my third 470 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: team now, you know I got to get this going. 471 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: You know, so a lot of times the light goes 472 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: on that fourth fifty year, third fourth, and that's what 473 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: the Giants all before knew some you know, it's not 474 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: some guy that just blew off the street, like, oh, 475 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 3: who's this guy? You know he is a former number 476 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: one pick with talent man and that's what the Giants 477 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: have bank on it. You know that Donald Wilskony could 478 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: get this rolling with him, So it's an interesting one. 479 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: He'll be Look, he's gonna be slotted the opposite of 480 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 3: Wolson the debo, no question about it going into camp 481 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: and yeah, look I'm sorry, John Love, No, you're fine. 482 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: Flot's a big loss. Look, let's face it. Called they'll 483 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: Flott was their best corner last season, no question. He 484 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: was their best corner. And he you know, and he 485 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: goes on to Tennessee. So they have to fill out hole. 486 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: That they do, and then we'll see how they kind 487 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: of use Drew Phillips in the slot versus the three safeties. 488 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what his role ends up being 489 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: given what we've seen. Denard Wilson, he had a small 490 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: slot in Roger McCreary in Tennessee, but he also liked 491 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: to play a bigger guy in there back in his 492 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: days when he was there in Baltimore, when Kyle Hamilton 493 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: played that role. So I'm curious how he utilizes that 494 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: slot and the type of player he wants in there. 495 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what he likes. That's what you might see, 496 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: like the Pinox, you know what I mean, Like that 497 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: bigger guy over there, because Kyle's a big guy Hamilton 498 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: over there in Baltimore or Neuban. 499 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 2: I could see Newton being down there too. 500 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're gonna they're gonna utilize those guys, and 501 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see what they do with Drew Phillips. 502 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: It will be interesting to see what they do with him, 503 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: you know so, because they kind of like that big 504 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: safety in a slot type guy mentality and all that stuff. 505 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: This scheme, and hey, we'll see down the road what happens. 506 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: But uh, Newman's role is going to be all over 507 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: you know. You could see him using Duban in those ways, 508 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And now you got Pinnocks 509 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 3: a big safety. Will be to see how they use him, 510 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: you know so. And holl is a big, big boy, 511 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: so hey, we'll see we'll start figuring out in the 512 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: OTAs man, but a lot to talk about, no question 513 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: about it. 514 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be fun to watch and figure out 515 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing. 516 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 517 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 518 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: wonder about a long term financial plan, you should talk 519 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: to Citizens. 520 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 521 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about amiliar routine. 522 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 523 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: money with Citizens. All right, let's jump over the linebacker here. 524 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: Chris Mike McFadden back on a deal that I figured 525 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: to be around what he would get coming off an injury. 526 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: Is that good years for the Giants? I think it's 527 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: very important to bring him back, whether as a starter or. 528 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: Is his death. And then Bobby o'cake is let go. 529 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: They bring in Tremaine Edmonds, And again I don't think 530 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: it's that Bobby o'cake was a bad player. I just 531 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: think Edmunds, given his size, length and physicality, fits more 532 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: what John Harbaugh is looking for from a middle linebacker. 533 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he plays that run right, He gets 534 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: a lot of stops at the line of scrimmage. Sehn, 535 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: you know Tremaine's gets up there and a hundred plus 536 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: tackles every season has been in the league. Look, but 537 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: like you said, John, it wasn't like Bobby wasn't a 538 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: good football player, man. You know, you know, sometimes these 539 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: tough decisions have to be made with the Sally cap. 540 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: That was one of them. Well, they look in up 541 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 3: maybe upgrade little bit, you know, gett into hobble a 542 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 3: little a little bit of more hobble type way. Yeah, 543 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: you know, Tremaine kind of fits that a little bit more, 544 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: very active linebacker and all that stuff. So it was 545 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 3: a tough decision on the curricade. He kind of saw 546 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: it coming with the cap number, and then they bring 547 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: Tremaine over here and it lookd Tremaine's a very active 548 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: backer right now. Only is he active up at the 549 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage stopping to run. H He's got good 550 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: hit up. He's a form of safety in college. You know, 551 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 3: they kick you know, he's got interceptions and all that stuff. 552 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: You know, he can make it. You know, he's around 553 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: the ball. So him and Micah, Look, that's another position. 554 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: As we talk about the draft down the road, you 555 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: know they might be looking at that too, you know, 556 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: but like you said, I don't think Michael. You know, 557 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: Micah got the deal. He's basically was expecting right around 558 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: that because you know, he's coming off the injury and 559 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: all that stuff. Nice to have a back, nice downhill 560 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 3: linebacker and Micah and all that stuff. So we'll see 561 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: how that works out. But they have to improve the run, 562 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 3: It's no question about it. One surprise a little bit, John. 563 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: I have to be honest with you, for I thought 564 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: that might bring the big body in here, you know, 565 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: sign a big body up front. 566 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 2: That was my next question for you to go right away, right, 567 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: you're going to. 568 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: Read each other's minds there. So yeah, I thought they 569 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: might bring in a big body. I know that pretty 570 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: high Darius Alexander you know, coming coming in the year 571 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 3: two and all that stuff. But we'll see. That's why 572 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: you have the draft and free agency is not over. 573 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: There's still some big bodies out there, you know, so 574 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with that. But they haven't really 575 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: addressed that yet. I thought they would. They did address 576 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 3: the inside back it with Tremaine Emmons, and I'm bringing 577 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: back Micas. 578 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: So yeah, look, look I think you can find are 579 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: you looking for more of a three tech? Are you 580 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: thinking more of a backup nose for decks? 581 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 3: Now? I'm thinking out with three I'm thinking somebody, you know, 582 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about a three tech. You know, I have 583 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: to be honest with you. I I love d Austin Johnson. 584 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 3: He was here a couple of years ago, and then 585 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: he just gets released, you know, and all that stuff. 586 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 3: I'm thinking along the lines of that. You know, just 587 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: a guy light up next to decks, you know, like 588 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: you said that three to help stop that run, John, 589 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, to help stop that run? 590 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: I thought they might bring in the guy. Look, and 591 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: if it's not like creagency's over, I know that I'm 592 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: just saying. I just thought by now that he might. 593 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: But they still might. We'll see what happens. 594 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: All right. Well, so I think I know one answer 595 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: to this question, my man. 596 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: That's question gonna be like, all right, in free agency worlds, 597 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: would you still look obviously a big person on the 598 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: defensive line would be one anywhere else that you're still 599 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: looking to add here, Chris, to try to firm up 600 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: this roster. 601 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, God, John, I would say God, 602 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: another offensive lineman, you know, bring in here? So uh, 603 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: defensive line for sure, and offensive line just that, maybe 604 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: that big guard. I'm still I have to be honest 605 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 3: with you, John, I'm still not fallalla. I hope I'm 606 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: saying that right from Baltimore. Lele. 607 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: I believe right. 608 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: You're right, John, You're very good at that stuff. Man. 609 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I hate to learn his name in 610 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: the draft four years ago, so I remember this stuff, right. 611 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: And he's a monster of a man. 612 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's gigantic. 613 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: He's gigantic. He moves people off the ball like he's 614 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 3: not coming up. I understand he's not coming up the 615 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: best season. But Halbo does know, right, So we'll see 616 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: what happens with that. 617 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if you ever, I know, I mean, 618 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about size. You wind him and Evan 619 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: kneel up next to each other on one side of 620 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: that offensive line and just have him push forward. My goodness, 621 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: the amount of mass that will be moving in the 622 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: same direction is ridiculous. 623 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, fla A is a monster of a man. So 624 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: he's still ot the That's somebody you still have to consider. 625 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: You know, Halbo knows knows him. So we'll see, all right. 626 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: And then the drafts coming. I'm not gonna ask you 627 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: for generally if you can hit days if you want, 628 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: But what do you think the Giants will be trying 629 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: to accomplish and looking to do with their first and 630 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: second round picks? 631 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: What are you thinking right now? 632 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: Look, I'm still thinking that inside backer. You know, Harbo 633 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: loves that leader on the inside. Mike is only here 634 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: one year. I think that's sunny. If Sonny Styles is 635 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: there at five, I think he could still be a 636 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: possibly show up in the Giants. Hey. Look, and I'm 637 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: not gonna rule out and Tis. They're gonna go crazy 638 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 3: with this because they still have PTSD for Barkley. But 639 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, brother, I'm not ruling out Jeremiah Love 640 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 3: at five with Harball, I'm not, you know, so. 641 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: I would not rule that out either. 642 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: And I think, all right, we can get into this 643 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: a little bit because I think let's get into it. 644 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, I'm not in favor of drafting you're running 645 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: back that high. But I think here's the argument that 646 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: makes it different from from the Saquon thing. 647 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: One. 648 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: He is by far this year, Jeremiah Love the best 649 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: offensive player in this draft if you include lineman wide receivers, whatever. 650 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: So if you're looking to help your second year quarterback 651 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: in that's another difference. Right, you did not have your 652 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: quarterback of the future back then. You have your quarterback 653 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: in the future to day, so that's another thing that's different. 654 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: So if you want to help that quarterback, I think 655 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love is probably the best player in this draft 656 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: that you could pick at five that can help dart 657 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: So to me, that's the big difference between now in 658 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and if you're gonna make the argument to 659 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: do it, I think that's the argument. 660 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: Now. 661 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: The argument against it is that why aren't you pretty 662 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: happy with Scataboo and Tracy And if you're drafting Love 663 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna play what eighty to ninety percent of the snaps, 664 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: then what is Scott gonna do? 665 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 666 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: So? 667 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: And is it more running game, more dependent on the 668 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: offense line than the back. You know, that's the argument 669 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: against it, But I'm with you. I would not rule 670 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: it out either. I think he will definitely be one 671 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: of the if not the top graded players on the 672 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: board when the Giants came, so I would never rule 673 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: it out. But I think that's the main difference between 674 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: eighteen and now, along with the fact that I think 675 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: in eighteen, with all those quarterbacks available, you could have 676 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: traded down and gotten a decent haul from that pick, 677 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: as opposed to this year. I don't think you're gonna 678 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: have teams banging down the door looking to trade up 679 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: to number five. 680 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not, absolutely not. And hey, look, John Hobbo 681 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: had made a point numerous times say we're drafting the 682 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: best player, the best player that could possibly put on 683 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: a yellow jacket one day. So if Jeremiah Love, without question, 684 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: not even close, he's the top five player in his draft. 685 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: Some people have him the top three, top two player 686 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: in this draft. 687 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: I do I do? 688 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: You do? You've been talking since the combine. You've been 689 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: talking all these scouts, the draft guys, John. I'm sure 690 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: they all told you, Hey, this kid is a top three, 691 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: top two talent coming out of his draft. Some people 692 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: have him as the best talent coming out of his draft. 693 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: Of course, we know Vegas is gonna go with Mendoz. 694 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: They't need that quarterback. A line of people have Jeremiah 695 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: Love as the best guy coming out of his draft. 696 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: So if John Harbill, who's told everybody at the combine. 697 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: He's told everybody, Hey, look, we have a top five pick. 698 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: If that's a safety, if that's a running back, whatever 699 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: it might be, we're gonna go with the best player 700 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: that's up next. Well, John, four guys go before Love, 701 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: or four guys go before Caleb Downs and John Harball 702 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: and his stat and Joe and everybody has him top 703 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: he's the next one up. Well, I can't argue. I 704 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: can't sit here and say there's no way they're gonna 705 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: go running back, you know what I mean? Because if 706 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: he's that next guy and he's on the board and 707 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: they have him third best titler and he up next, 708 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: But hey, I'm sorry, man, it could definitely, without question 709 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: happened because that's what Harble believes in, and he said 710 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: it numerous times. We're gonna draft the best player, not 711 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: need the best player on the board. Well guess what, John, 712 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: If Love hits number five, without question, he's gonna be 713 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: the best player on the board. So can't discount him, man, 714 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: you can't. Can't rule it out. 715 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: And heck, he might not even get there. You know, 716 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee could take it. 717 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: No, yeah he might not. John, I'm not saying he's 718 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 3: a bit. I'm just saying he's there. Of course at five, 719 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, what. 720 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: Do you what do you think, Chris? I'll ask you 721 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: this one, dude. 722 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: I know both of us like to dive deep on 723 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: this roster in the future and everything. 724 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: What do you think an underrated long term need? Right? 725 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: We know what we talked about the needs that ye 726 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: maybe need a guard. You know you have to add 727 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: a big a big guy up front. But what do 728 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: you think an underrated long term need is. I'm gonna 729 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: throw a couple of things out there. I think edge 730 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: is an underrated long term need. Cavon's are freezing after 731 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: this year. We don't know how much longer. The trouncity 732 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Golson is gonna be here off that shorter contract he 733 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: signed last offseason. So you get the next offseason and 734 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: you might be looking at Burns an Abdul Carter and 735 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: like that's it, Like who else is on your roster 736 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: that that that's gonna be an edge? 737 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 3: Right? 738 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: So that's one corner, right, because just a one year deal. 739 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: So you look at that, you know, wide receiver. You 740 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: just signed two guys to one year deals. You don't 741 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: know how much you know Slaton only signed the three 742 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: year deal last year. So I think wide receiver is 743 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: is kind of an underrated long term thing. You could 744 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: look at here. What are some of the other kind 745 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: of long term look down the road? All right, the 746 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: giants will have to add somebody at this spot as 747 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: they move forward. 748 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 3: You John, defensive line, defensive line, I mean you know, 749 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: I mean it easy to upgrade. That's another spot. You 750 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: want to get another big body and it can stop 751 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: the run inside back of John. You know tremins. I know, 752 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: tremains is what entering his ninetier now you know inside 753 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: backup like you said, corner for sure. You know a 754 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: lot of people like you brought up a good point, John, Well, 755 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people look at it. We're 756 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: good with edge, but long term wise, you're gonna need 757 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: another guy, right, you want to get another guy in here? Right? 758 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: You have that three? You have to have three. 759 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: You want three. That's what you want? You want three? 760 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: You know, So yeah, no question about but obviously offensive 761 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: all we know about that, you know, But good points, John, 762 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: because an edge guy, definitely, long term wise, is a 763 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 3: guy position you want to look at and to me, 764 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, especially Harboll he loves those big boys up front. Man, 765 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: to me, that defensive line. Look, let's face it, you 766 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: know we're expecting and I'm expecting to John Decks to 767 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: have a kind of a bounce back. Yeah I am. 768 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: I'm expecting Dex to have a bounce back yet. But 769 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 3: what if he doesn't? What if he does? With John? 770 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: I mean, that's another long term You're like, you know, 771 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: you want to get that defensive lineman in here too, man, 772 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 3: So that's another one in my eyes, no question. 773 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: All right, Final question, Chris, when when you get back 774 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: in the building for the first time watching that first 775 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: OTA practice would be at some point in May, what's 776 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: the first thing your eyes are going to go to 777 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: as you try to figure out what this John Harball 778 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: Giants team is going to look like. 779 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: Offensively? Well, do both sides of the ball. 780 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do both sides of the ball, that's okay. 781 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: Offensive formations for sure, Offensive formations for sure. I want 782 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: to see how to utilize Scat obviously, you know, Patrick, 783 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 3: I want to see how to utilize Isaiah like I 784 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 3: want to see what they're doing with what they're thinking 785 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: with likely for sure, and I'm gonna be looking for 786 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: thought on the sinemore, you know what I mean. I 787 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: think that's gonna be on the center a lot this season. 788 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 3: I don't know, that's my opinion, John, I don't know 789 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: how you feel about that, but I think it's gonna 790 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: be on the center a lot. 791 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 792 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: That's the thing like this, Matt Naggie's not an under 793 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: center coach, but John Harper isn't under center coach. So yeah, 794 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: I thought when they hired Harbaugh, yes, then when they 795 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: hired Naggy, I'm like, maybe not so that that. That 796 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: is literally the first thing I'm gonna look for. I 797 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: want to see how much they're under center. 798 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: Right, But just keep in mind, to John, Matt Naggie's 799 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: in the ay retree where you adjust to your talent. 800 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: He would just to what you you know. And Matt 801 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 3: Naggie's smart enough. He did it in Chicago. He adjusted 802 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 3: to his talent when he had Trubisky and then in 803 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: Chicago and he went to the playoffs with that dude. Okay, 804 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, but while everybody's destroying Matt Naggie, but let's 805 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: not forget what he did in Chicago. Okay, So he's 806 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: Matt's very smart. He will adjust to what they have. 807 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: Harbo obviously one of the best. He'll adjust to what 808 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 3: they have. Uh. And on the defensive side of the ball, 809 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: I guess you know, I'll be looking at what they 810 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: want to do with the safety John, you know what 811 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of safety schemes they gonna throw 812 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 3: out there, Like we just talked about a little while ago. 813 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 3: What are you thinking about slots? Is Drew A big 814 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 3: part of this plan is Drew big pot or they're 815 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 3: thinking safeties, rolling over, playing a lot of slot all. 816 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 3: That's some of the things I'll be looking for. I mean, 817 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: I'm not obviously, I know we're going to see Newsom 818 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 3: opposite of the devo and all that stuff that we know 819 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: we're gonna see, right, But I want to see what 820 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: they do with the safeties. But sual, I want to 821 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 3: see what they do, what they're thinking with Pinnock, you know, 822 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: and all that stuff, how they want to move him 823 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 3: around and all that stuff. So that's what I'll be 824 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: looking for on both sides of the ball when we 825 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: start checking these guys out in May. 826 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it's similar for me and I 827 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: was just throwing. I want to see who the guy 828 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: is next to Decks, right, do they Are they looking 829 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: for more than that athletic guy like Alexander? 830 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 2: Are they looking for more size? 831 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: And Roy robertson Harris, I want to see which guys 832 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: next to Decks on that defensive line as you figure 833 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: out how they're gonna try to get better against the run. 834 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, John, it's a good point. You know. 835 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: Is Darius gonna be that forty plus snap guy, you know? 836 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: Or is he just gonna be in a rotation with 837 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: Roy rob We know Deck's gonna get his fifty STAPs, 838 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: we know that, But is Roy Robinson Harrison? Are they 839 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: gonna whack up those snaps up front? Right? That'll be 840 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 3: interesting too to see, you know that. Obviously we'll learn 841 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 3: as we move along in the process. But yeah, and 842 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 3: the edge guys, all right, well you got right now, 843 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: you still got Thibodeaux, right, you got TIBs, you got burns, 844 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 3: and you got one other thing. I'm gonna be looking at. 845 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: What is Donard Wilson thinking about with abdual card. 846 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 2: It's a good one. It's a good one. 847 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 3: Okay. Do we use them on a micro roll? We 848 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 3: line up, you know, line up over the zero line 849 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 3: them up on the edge. Do you line them up 850 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 3: in three tech? You know, do you drop him back? 851 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 3: You know all that stuff. Do you line them up 852 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 3: off fall then coming off four? You know what I mean? 853 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: So I'm I'm gonna be fascinated to see what Donard thinking. 854 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: And you start, you can tell you've been around a 855 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 3: long time. You know, you can get a feeling at 856 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 3: is what they're thinking a little about, and then obviously 857 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 3: the mandatory camp for Jude, you could really get a 858 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 3: feel what they're thinking. So that's I'm interested. I'm very 859 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: curious to see what Donnard Wilson is thinking about with 860 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: a dual carter, how he wants to use him. 861 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: And by the way, if he does end up one 862 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: to use abdual carter as more of that off the 863 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: ball lining up and running stunts and twists from the 864 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: middle of the line off the ball, then you really 865 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: do need that third edge, right because you need another 866 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: guy to pressure off that other edge if you have 867 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: burns on one side. So Chris, I'm with you, man, 868 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: this was fun as always. Dude, tell them where they 869 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: can find everything you guys are doing over there. 870 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, just go to podcasts at Giant Insider and the 871 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 3: newspaper at Giant Insider, podcast, newspaper on X obviously at 872 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: Giant Insiders. So thank you Gihn. It's always fun talking 873 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: to you, brother Christmas. I know it has done like 874 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 3: it's been a while. 875 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: It has been, and I appreciate talking to you man 876 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: Giant Insider newspaper and podcast. 877 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: Make sure you're checking out with Chris. 878 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us everybody on the Johns Little Podcast, 879 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens, Official Bank of the Giants. 880 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: We will see you next time.