WEBVTT - Guest Host: Benjamin Weingarten

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<v Speaker 1>This is the buck Sexton Show, where the mission or

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<v Speaker 1>mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>or mistake American, You're a great American. Again, the buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show begins. No, welcome to the buck Sexton Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton here on

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<v Speaker 1>New Year's Eve, live in Midtown Manhattan. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if this is this qualifies as the Freedom Hut, given

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<v Speaker 1>that we are in the Blasios, New York, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>also just madness outside these studios right now. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a safe space for liberty lovers, conservatives and the like.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for spending your holiday season with

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<v Speaker 1>me here on New Year's Eve. If this is a

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<v Speaker 1>time to be thankful and appreciative, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start first by sending out my condolences to the family

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<v Speaker 1>of one of my colleagues at the Federalist, the late Brepayden,

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<v Speaker 1>who was taken from us way too young. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>tragic loss for our company, for family, for freedom itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and her life should serve as an example for what

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<v Speaker 1>people in the media should strive for. As I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Winegarden filling in for Buck Sexton today, Senior Contributor

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<v Speaker 1>at The Federalist Senior Fellow at the London Center for

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<v Speaker 1>Policy Research. I'm also the proprietor of The Big Ideas

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<v Speaker 1>with Ben Winegarden podcast, where we focus on long form

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with deep thinkers and expert doers. You can subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere podcasts are found, and you can follow me on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at bh Winegarden. I also want to start we

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<v Speaker 1>should appreciate what we have, the freedoms that we have,

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<v Speaker 1>that we live in this amazing nation. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>also thank right up at the top, Buck Sexton for

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<v Speaker 1>giving me this opportunity to spend this time with you

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<v Speaker 1>and fill his large shoes. Today, given that we are

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of a new year and in the

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<v Speaker 1>holiday season, we should talk about how lucky we are

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<v Speaker 1>to be in this nation and how great we have it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just the material bounty that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the freedom that provides us the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue our happiness however we define it. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>exception in the history of mankind, the standard in world history.

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<v Speaker 1>And this isn't just historically. Look at a map today,

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<v Speaker 1>look at the governments and where the largest population centers

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<v Speaker 1>in this world exist. Freedom is the exception. It is

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<v Speaker 1>darkness almost over the entire globe, and that actually is

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<v Speaker 1>what is normal in the history of mankind. The standard

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<v Speaker 1>is that you live as a surf under a lord,

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<v Speaker 1>or as a slave under a slave master, or in

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<v Speaker 1>a gulag nation like what North Korea is today. Look

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<v Speaker 1>at a world map, study world history. The reason history

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<v Speaker 1>is so important, in part, is so that we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the fruits of what we have in this nation. Billions

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<v Speaker 1>of people throughout human history and including today, have only

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<v Speaker 1>known totalitarianism and an oppressive state where if you have

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<v Speaker 1>any rights, you really do have crumbs, like Nancy Pelosi

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<v Speaker 1>likes to say, and they can be snatched from you

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<v Speaker 1>at any time. Rule of law non existent, could be

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<v Speaker 1>gone tomorrow. Property rights, what are property rights in many nations?

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<v Speaker 1>Take the case of Venezuela for example. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, Venezuela was South America's richest country. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>a failed state. It is literally like Iraq when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at what the metrics are in terms of economics

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<v Speaker 1>and crime. The collapse all due to bad ideas. Bad

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<v Speaker 1>ideas can take everything that you've built up over centuries

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<v Speaker 1>and destroy them. Amazing. One of the benefits that we've

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<v Speaker 1>had in America from our success, much of which we've

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<v Speaker 1>taken for granted, and few people even think about all

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<v Speaker 1>the necessary steps that it took to get to this

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<v Speaker 1>place today. One of the benefits is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>it so good that we can take time to explore

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<v Speaker 1>all the flaws within our nation. We can focus on

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<v Speaker 1>those flaws to such a degree that we end up

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<v Speaker 1>tearing at the very fabric that made us into what

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<v Speaker 1>we are. It's an amazing thing. People have never had

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<v Speaker 1>things so good, and they want to throw this experiment

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<v Speaker 1>into the trash band of history. I should tell you

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<v Speaker 1>I have a child on the way right now. That'll

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the New Year's gifts. I could be

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<v Speaker 1>called out of this show at any minute, potentially as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of where we are right now. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a future first time parents, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you think about is what kind of world are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring your child into? How do you inculcate

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<v Speaker 1>them with the beliefs, the values and principles that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to dominate in this world. You know, part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is protecting them, but they also have to live

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<v Speaker 1>in a reality and what is the reality today? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality today is that among our elite, the ideas

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<v Speaker 1>that trickle down and percolate into society are completely antithetical

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<v Speaker 1>to the ones on which this nation was based. And

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense, what you have is progressive agitprop progressive propaganda.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in government and in the bureaucracy, which is its

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<v Speaker 1>own branch of government, even though it's not treated as such.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the media, and it's in our education system.

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<v Speaker 1>You have highly credentialed people, but not necessarily wise people.

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<v Speaker 1>Their intelligence, but they're they're intelligent people, but their intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>leads them to believe they can perfect society, that they

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<v Speaker 1>have a moral duty to try to perfect society through

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<v Speaker 1>wielding the power of the state to nudge us deplorable

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<v Speaker 1>as as cass sunst Obama regulatories are once put it

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<v Speaker 1>to nudge us deplorables towards the right answer. But who

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<v Speaker 1>were they to make that decision over us? Why is

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<v Speaker 1>that the morally right thing to do? They would argue, Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>they're morally superior as virtue signalers, and as holders of

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<v Speaker 1>these values and principles, they should be the ones to

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<v Speaker 1>point us in the right direction. And what is the

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<v Speaker 1>impact of these bad ideas well. I mentioned they destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuela in a very short period of time, in under

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<v Speaker 1>two decades. Bad ideas took the richest nation in South

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<v Speaker 1>America and destroyed it. But those ideas have seeped in

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<v Speaker 1>here as well. And people look at campus craziness and

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of shrug it off as well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just young people, immature. It's crazy Ivory tower sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And when they get onto the real world and see

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<v Speaker 1>the percentage of tax dollars taken out of their smaller paychecks,

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<v Speaker 1>then they start to see, oh my gosh, there actually

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<v Speaker 1>are some pretty negative consequences for me and my family

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<v Speaker 1>in my future. But it's about much more than just economics,

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<v Speaker 1>because economics are an outgrowth of our belief system. Free

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<v Speaker 1>market economics are an outgrowth of a system of values

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<v Speaker 1>and principles, Judeo Christian Western values and principles, and that

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<v Speaker 1>free market capitalist system springs from them. It's the result

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<v Speaker 1>of them, but that's not the end. That's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the benefits. There was a recent poll put out

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<v Speaker 1>by the Foundation for Liberty and American Greatness slash you

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<v Speaker 1>gov and it was called the State of American Patriotism Report.

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<v Speaker 1>They pulled eleven hundred people, a bit under fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of them between fourteen and thirty seven years old folks,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking millennials and premillennials and maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of gen xers as well. Here were some of

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<v Speaker 1>the findings from that survey. Half of those survey believe

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<v Speaker 1>the United States is sexist and racist. American exceptionalism is

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<v Speaker 1>on the decline. According to the report, forty six percent

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<v Speaker 1>of younger Americans do not agree that quote unquote, America

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<v Speaker 1>is the greatest country in the world. Thirty eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of younger Americans do not agree that quote America has

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<v Speaker 1>a history that we should be proud of. One in

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<v Speaker 1>eight fourteen percent of millennials agree America was never a

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<v Speaker 1>great country and it never will be. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Andrew Cuomo constituency. Forty six percent of younger

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<v Speaker 1>Americans agree that America is more racist than other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you, these people have never been to

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<v Speaker 1>any other country. Probably, It's absolutely mind numbing, both the

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<v Speaker 1>ignorance and the arrogance, the ignorance to not know and

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<v Speaker 1>the arrogance to put forth these sorts of views not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing anything about them. Eighty four percent of Americans do

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<v Speaker 1>not know the specific rights enumerated in the First Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>So how can they be counted on to defend that

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment when they don't even know what it is

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<v Speaker 1>or why it existed in the first place. Nineteen percent

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<v Speaker 1>of millennials believe that the American flag is a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote sign of intolerance and hatred. My god, Forty four

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<v Speaker 1>percent of younger Americans believe Barack Obama had a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote bigger impact on America than Orge Washington. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is what young Americans get out of our education system,

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<v Speaker 1>out of our media. I mean, you gotta give the

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<v Speaker 1>left credit. At least with Alexander Hamilton, people know a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about him. So you have this ignorant, arrogant

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<v Speaker 1>young population in America, and that is our future. The

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<v Speaker 1>bad ideas have consequences. If people hate the very values

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<v Speaker 1>and principles on which a country is based, how can

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<v Speaker 1>they be counted on to defend them, to promulgate them

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<v Speaker 1>to their kids. And we're talking multiple generations of this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of propaganda. So naturally, in Axios last night, there

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<v Speaker 1>was an article titled the Coming Reckoning for Capitalism. A

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<v Speaker 1>quote from that article, one of the most important trends

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<v Speaker 1>likely to drive the twenty twenty presidential race a growing

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<v Speaker 1>dissolusion with capitalism as practice and a coming struggle over

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<v Speaker 1>how to recast this pillar of the Western order. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's funny. These people like to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how Trump is a threat to Western civilization, yet they're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that want to throw out the very principles

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<v Speaker 1>on which Western civilization derives. The article goes on the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line, you could hardly challenge a more basic part

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<v Speaker 1>of who we are as Americans and Westerners. Polling shows

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<v Speaker 1>a rising number of young Americans prefer socialism to capitalism. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I would question whether or not they can define what

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<v Speaker 1>socialism is and what capitalism is. So the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they have an opinion on it is I would say

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<v Speaker 1>questionable to begin with. But that's staggering because if we

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<v Speaker 1>won the Cold War, how can it be that half

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<v Speaker 1>the country believes in socialism over capitalism among the youth.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a direct failure on the part of those

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<v Speaker 1>who run our institutions, who are supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>ones safeguarding what this country is based on and the

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<v Speaker 1>article continues, that's a twelve point decline and young adults

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<v Speaker 1>as positive views of capitalism in just the past two years,

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<v Speaker 1>and a market shift since twenty ten, when sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>percent of viewed it positively. We're talking about fourteen to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven year old folks, millennials, eighteen to twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>year olds. But it starts way before they're even in college,

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of prop gandizing and effectively brainwashing people, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's something very sick about that. So there was a

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal editorial that caught my eye recently is

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<v Speaker 1>titled Reading from Left to Left at Barnes and Noble,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes on to talk about a display at

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<v Speaker 1>Barnes and Noble that this journalist saw called quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>Inspiring Books to Empower young readers. What inspires and empowers

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<v Speaker 1>young readers. While the collection included first Generation, thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>trailblazing Immigrants and Refugees who make America Great, which lionizes,

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<v Speaker 1>among others, Univision anchorman Jorge Ramos, and the first fashion

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<v Speaker 1>model to wear a he job. The article goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>there were three memoirs by illegal aliens, two novels whose

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<v Speaker 1>protagonists were refugees. So any side of my oars, Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court justice, turning pages my life story and we rise,

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<v Speaker 1>We resist, We raise our voices and anthology that includes

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<v Speaker 1>a fictional story of a child who is arrested by

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<v Speaker 1>Immigrations and Custom enforcement agents at school as he endorsed

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<v Speaker 1>taunts from white classmates wearing Make America gride again. Hats

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<v Speaker 1>who writes this stuff up? This is the onion, This

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<v Speaker 1>is a Barnes and Noble but display. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>These are the books that are pushed on our kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The article goes on one Portlandia esque title, You Are Mighty,

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<v Speaker 1>A Guide to Changing the World, is built as a

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<v Speaker 1>how to manual on build up being an activist. It

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<v Speaker 1>features Genesis Pelacio, a preteen girl wearing a Vegan power

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt who became a vegetarian when she was three

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<v Speaker 1>after learning that quote unquote, animals were killed for her food. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the article, Barnes and Noble stores and other

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<v Speaker 1>cities have similar displays. The chain's corporate office didn't answer

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<v Speaker 1>the emails of the author, and the article concludes conservative

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<v Speaker 1>theme children's book books are out there, but you have

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<v Speaker 1>to seek out these subversive titles like pornography before the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals are devoted to diversity, but they define it in

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<v Speaker 1>a particular way, obsessing over race, sex, and sexual orientation

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<v Speaker 1>while demanding conformity of thought. Une. Let me tell you

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<v Speaker 1>as a future father or I recently received a book.

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<v Speaker 1>My family received a book by someone who did not

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<v Speaker 1>know where I stood on the ideological spectrum. I kid

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<v Speaker 1>you not. It's called as for Activists. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>picture book. I'll quote a bit from it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go to a correct quick break letter. E Equal rights, black,

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<v Speaker 1>brown or white, clean and healthy is a right every

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<v Speaker 1>place we live in play Environmental justice is the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Letter j J is for justice, YEA for justice, Juanita Jamala,

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<v Speaker 1>justice for the janitors, Justicia for all. Letter. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a great one. Open minds operate best, critical thinking

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<v Speaker 1>over tests. Wisdom can't be memorized, educate, agitate organized. Now

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<v Speaker 1>tell me where our response to a book like that is,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think there's AS for America is exceptional.

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<v Speaker 1>B is for borders and national sovereignty. See is for

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<v Speaker 1>capitalism and creative destruction. That would be laughed out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bookstore. But the other side is propagandizing with picture

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<v Speaker 1>books for young, impressionable children who cannot cannot conceivably grapple

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<v Speaker 1>with any of these sorts of ideas. It's on imaginable

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<v Speaker 1>that there's anything like this on our side, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't begrudge us, because it's sick to try to

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<v Speaker 1>propagandize among young people with this stuff. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>you do when you're dropping your kid in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of a world where everything is insane and where everything

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<v Speaker 1>is about breeding left wing activism and ignorance. We're creating

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<v Speaker 1>activists and idiots, useful idiots for an agenda, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about that agenda right after this

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexon

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<v Speaker 1>on the Buck Sexton Show. More next, This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexton Show and this is Ben Winegarden in for

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexton. Happy New Year's Eve to you all, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining me today. Follow me on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>at b h Winegarden. All right, before the break, we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking a bit about poisonous ideas and the poisonous

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<v Speaker 1>consequences they have for society, and it's very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of quantify or sum up what the impact of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple generations of this sort of progressive thought policing has

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<v Speaker 1>been but I think there was a fine example of

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<v Speaker 1>it this weekend on Meet the Press, where Chuck ta

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<v Speaker 1>did a full episode on environmentalism, and he stated near

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<v Speaker 1>the start of the show, and I'll quote here, We're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to debate climate change the existence of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Earth is getting hotter and human activity is a

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<v Speaker 1>major cause. Period. We're not going to give time to

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<v Speaker 1>climate deniers. The sciences is settled, even if political opinion

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<v Speaker 1>is not. Unquote, that's a very scientific attitude there by

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Todd, because after all, we know exactly how much

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<v Speaker 1>human beings have contributed to warming. We know for effect

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<v Speaker 1>that this isn't just one of another million historical cycles

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<v Speaker 1>that there have been in terms of temperature. We know

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature is climate. They're exactly the same thing. He's

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<v Speaker 1>so confident in his position that anyone who would who

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<v Speaker 1>would deign to present some countervailing evidence, shut up. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, we're going to call you climate deniers,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty offensive kind of term, because what

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<v Speaker 1>they're When you hear deniers use what does that usually

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<v Speaker 1>bring up, Well, it's holocaust deniers. Chuck Todd is smart

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<v Speaker 1>enough to know that he probably shouldn't be using that

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<v Speaker 1>phrase to describe anyone who would challenge of you that

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<v Speaker 1>is not unanimously held. Look up, the ninety seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>of climate scientists all agree statistic and it's a bogus statistic.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand He had Jerry Brown on the California Governor and

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Brown said this about climate change. First, he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the challenge from China and then climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to put this in context here, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and I quote, instead of worrying about tariffs, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to see the President and the Congress invest tens of

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<v Speaker 1>billions in renewable energy, in more efficient batteries to get

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<v Speaker 1>us off fossil fuel as quickly as we can. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they really love this in France, the green invest He

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<v Speaker 1>goes on, I would point to the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>took lad President FDR many, many years to get America

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<v Speaker 1>willing to go into World War two and fight the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>And he continues here, well, we have an enemy, though different,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps very much devastating in a similar way, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to fight climate change and the President's got

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<v Speaker 1>to lead that. So what I want to understand. Is

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<v Speaker 1>is he saying that fighting something that may or may

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<v Speaker 1>not be transpiring in the environment that human beings may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have a disproportioned impact on, is the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of fighting the Nazis? Or is he go bearing

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese to the Nazis. I'm not quite sure where

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<v Speaker 1>he's going with that analogy, but let's sum up what

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<v Speaker 1>this really is. Climatism is a secular religion, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least it is a sect in the progressive secular religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and the state is their church. What is climate change

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<v Speaker 1>really about for them? It's about sort of in some sense,

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<v Speaker 1>justifying mass redistribution of wealth. It's about apologizing for our

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<v Speaker 1>western sins of being industrialized and therefore redistributing the fruits

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<v Speaker 1>of it to the first and through world nations. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a form of elite virtue signaling. It's very easy to

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<v Speaker 1>say I care about the environment and then go trotting

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<v Speaker 1>around on a jet. You don't really have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the consequences or take responsibility. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also the self interested aspect of this, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that those who promote this vision oftentimes with the very

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<v Speaker 1>people who end up personally benefiting from government investments, the Greens,

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<v Speaker 1>more Cylindras, well Clendras all over the country. If these

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<v Speaker 1>people are the ones who are allowed to dominate ultimately, though,

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<v Speaker 1>what progressive insm is about, as I mentioned, is a

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<v Speaker 1>secular religion. It is about dominance, and the way that

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<v Speaker 1>you instill that dominance is to propagate these messages starting

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<v Speaker 1>with little children, starting with toddlers, and working all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up through college. And how are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to compete against that when all you have

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<v Speaker 1>is the real world? This has Ben Winegarden in for

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexon on The Buck Sexton Show. This has Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Winegarden in for Buck Sexton on the Buck Sexton Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow me on Twitter at bh wine Garden and thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for spending your New Year's Eve evening

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<v Speaker 1>with me. We've been speaking about the dominance of progressivism

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<v Speaker 1>in media and academia. We've all followed that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>running theme. It's a huge challenge, and frankly, conservatives haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even begun to grapple with just how devastating it's been.

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<v Speaker 1>The progressive march through the institutions, as Grahams Sheet called it,

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred year period we haven't even been we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even begun to recognize the extent the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, which is imperative to actually then starting to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to counter it. Maybe something that

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<v Speaker 1>can help us to remember what our principles are is

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<v Speaker 1>to look at an adversary who threatens them. It's sad,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could be that perhaps it'll be an external

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<v Speaker 1>threat to the US's dominant position in the world that

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<v Speaker 1>allows us, in part to enjoy the freedom that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's an external threat that we have to look

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<v Speaker 1>to to summon within the American people who we are

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<v Speaker 1>and what we really believe in. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a deep dive now on China. Most people when they

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<v Speaker 1>think about China today, they think trade war, tariffs, President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>Mano Imano with Jijinping. I believe that drastically minimizes what

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<v Speaker 1>is actually going on in the world. Maybe the most

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<v Speaker 1>monumental revolutionary shift that has happened in Washington, DC under

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump, certainly on the national security and foreign policy side,

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<v Speaker 1>since the opening of the relationship with China under Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking in the seventies here. The narrative has always

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<v Speaker 1>been that China would peacefully rise, that we would open

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<v Speaker 1>up trade with China. China would be rich. Rich countries

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately want to be free countries rather than the other

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<v Speaker 1>way around, that free countries end up rich, and that

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<v Speaker 1>any bellicosity, any adversarial nature, any aggression from China would

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<v Speaker 1>be checked by the fact that, look, they're entering this

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<v Speaker 1>world trading architecture that the West built, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be good partners and we'll all get rich

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<v Speaker 1>together if they got access to the world financial architecture

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<v Speaker 1>that we built, and it's helped enable them to become

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<v Speaker 1>the major producer of goods consumed in America and the

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<v Speaker 1>second largest country economy in the world. It's also funded

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<v Speaker 1>the world's largest intelligence dictatorship. Something to keep an eye on.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually have scores where they grade citizens on their

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<v Speaker 1>patriotism and a massive surveillance system around them. So you

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<v Speaker 1>could be a bad citizen if they don't like your spending,

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<v Speaker 1>habits or maybe where you travel or what you say

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<v Speaker 1>on social media checked as it already is. What we

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<v Speaker 1>did was we capitalize what was a communist regime and

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<v Speaker 1>turned it from a third world country into from a

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<v Speaker 1>wealth perspective, a competitive country in economics, and we allowed

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<v Speaker 1>it to expand its fear of influenced worldwide. Now, how

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<v Speaker 1>has China paid us for the privilege of becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>leading world power. Well, they steal hundreds of billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of intellectual property, in particular from strategically significant sectors.

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<v Speaker 1>That's real value taken from the West and of course

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<v Speaker 1>from America, because we're a dominant technological power, So they

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<v Speaker 1>steal our blueprints. They don't create them themselves. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>a fair competitor. When the President talks about free, fair

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<v Speaker 1>and reciprocal trade, part of that is they need to

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<v Speaker 1>deal on an even playing field, and they don't. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part of a comprehensive plan of economic aggression, which

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<v Speaker 1>the White House documented in a June twenty eighteen report

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<v Speaker 1>from its Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>run by Peter Navarro, who's cast as a China Hawk.

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<v Speaker 1>It lay it out in that strategy that China's goals

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<v Speaker 1>are to protect its home market from imports and competition,

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<v Speaker 1>expand its share of global markets, secure and control core

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<v Speaker 1>natural resources, globally dominate traditional manufacturing industries, acquire key technologies

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<v Speaker 1>and intellectual property from other countries, including the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>and capture the emerging high tech industries that will drive

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<v Speaker 1>future economic growth and many advancements in the defense industry.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those primary technologies being five G control over

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<v Speaker 1>all global communications. China is a huge competitor in this space,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been an increasing effort among some countries to

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<v Speaker 1>wean themselves off of potentially Chinese technology when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to global telecommunications. China's also engaged in a massive loan

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<v Speaker 1>to own strategy, where they provide financing to countries to

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<v Speaker 1>build things like ports, strategically significant things, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>the country's default on them because they can't afford the terms,

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<v Speaker 1>China comes in and gobbles them up. So they expand

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<v Speaker 1>their influence through loaning and then owning you. They've opened

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<v Speaker 1>up their first overseas military base last year in Djibouti,

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<v Speaker 1>a strategically significant nation at the entrance to the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Sea and route to the Suez Canal. A US base

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<v Speaker 1>is located just miles away. It repeatedly is a base

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<v Speaker 1>for staging operations against Jihades groups, and of course, China's

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly directed high grade lasers at American aircraft in Djibouty,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly injuring two US airmen. Now China is seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>have a state owned company manage the port of Jibouty.

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<v Speaker 1>They threaten access to the freedom of seas by buzzing

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<v Speaker 1>our ships and the ships of our allies. They militarize

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<v Speaker 1>man made islands in the South China see even though

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<v Speaker 1>they promised President Obama they wouldn't. Big surprise, they threatened

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<v Speaker 1>companies in the West who list Taiwan and Tibet other

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<v Speaker 1>territories as separate territories on their websites, because China considers

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<v Speaker 1>it all China. So if you have a dropdown menu

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<v Speaker 1>on your website and you are a global let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>hotel chain, China will attack you. You can't list Taiwan

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<v Speaker 1>Tibet as separate entities. That's all there, that's all China,

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<v Speaker 1>that soft power. By the way, they will threaten companies

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<v Speaker 1>abroad for merely what's listed in a dropdown menu. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, companies have cowed to this, and why

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<v Speaker 1>in part because they're afraid of losing that business in

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<v Speaker 1>the world's second biggest market. In part because they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of other potential ramifications that could threaten the life

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<v Speaker 1>and limb of their employees literally. They also propagandize. They

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<v Speaker 1>have publications around the world, propagate their own media. They

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<v Speaker 1>infiltrate our education system and other education systems through the

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<v Speaker 1>use of confusion institutes. I did a podcast on confucious institutes.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I urge you to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>They use these so called cultural exchange institutes within our schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and what they actually do is they propagandize with the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Communist party line, and they also spy on Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>citizens or x Chinese citizens who are abroad and potentially

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<v Speaker 1>even engage in espionage beyond just trying to push former

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese citizens in wine and potentially threaten them. So beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the propaganda, and this isn't just a foreign policy issue.

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<v Speaker 1>They also the Communist Party in China. And this is,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Vice President Pence, who give a major speech

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<v Speaker 1>on this, a rewarding or coercing American businesses, movie studios, universities,

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<v Speaker 1>think tank scholars, journalists, and local and state federal officials.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to toe the party line. According to Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Pence, our intelligence community says China's targeting US state

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<v Speaker 1>and local governments and officials to exploit any divisions between

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<v Speaker 1>federal and local levels on policy. It's using wedge issues

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<v Speaker 1>like trade tariffs to advance Beijings political influence. We hear

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about Russian influence and elections well, according to

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President Pence, and this is a landmark speech that

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<v Speaker 1>I urge everyone to read. Overlooked by the media, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most important foreign affairs addresses, really one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most important addresses period during the Donald Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President Pence at the Hudson Institute in the Fall

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<v Speaker 1>West President's Pence said, China is also directly appealing to

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<v Speaker 1>the American voters. Last week and again, this was during

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<v Speaker 1>the election season. The midterm elections, the Chinese government paid

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<v Speaker 1>to have a multi page supplement inserted into the Des

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<v Speaker 1>Moines Register, the paper of record in the home state

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<v Speaker 1>of our ambassador to China, Ambassador Brand's dad and a

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<v Speaker 1>pivotal state in twenty eighteen and twenty twenty. The supplement,

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<v Speaker 1>designed to look like the news articles, cast our trade

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<v Speaker 1>policies as reckless and harmful to Iowans. Foreign influence in

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<v Speaker 1>our elections, folks, right there in the newspapers. As Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Pence goes on to say, Beijing now requires American

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<v Speaker 1>joint ventures that operate in China to establish what they

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<v Speaker 1>call party organizations within their company, giving the Communist Party

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<v Speaker 1>of voice and perhaps a veto in hiring and investment decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>They also provide funding, of course, to think tanks and schools,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that funding does come strings attached, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>So China's engaged in a comprehensive whole of government effort

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<v Speaker 1>to become the world's hegemon, and it has a direct

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<v Speaker 1>impact on America, not only as an economic competitor, but

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<v Speaker 1>as a national security threat. And I want to read

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple quick excerpts and then we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what the response has been on the nature of what

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<v Speaker 1>China is doing in the world. New York Times, so

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<v Speaker 1>their credit ran an article in June how China got

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<v Speaker 1>Triuanka to cough up a port. Article starts every time

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<v Speaker 1>Sri Lanka's President Mahinda Rajapaksa turned to his Chinese allies

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<v Speaker 1>for loans and assistance with an ambitious port project, the

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<v Speaker 1>answer was yes, yes, though feasibility studies said the port

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't work. Yes, though other frequent lenders like India had

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<v Speaker 1>refused yes, though Sri Lanka's debt was ballooning rapidly under

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<v Speaker 1>mister Rajapaksa. Over years of construction and renegotiation with China

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<v Speaker 1>Harbor Engineering Company, one of Beijing's largest state owned enterprises,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hambantota Port Development Project distinguished itself mostly by failing

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<v Speaker 1>as predicted. With tens of thousands of ships passing by

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<v Speaker 1>along one of the world's busiest shipping lands. The port

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<v Speaker 1>ru only thirty four ships in twenty twelve, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the port became China's. Mister Rajapaksa was voted out of

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<v Speaker 1>office in twenty fifteen, but Sri Lanka's new government struggled

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<v Speaker 1>to make payments on the debt he had taken on

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<v Speaker 1>under heavy pressure, and after months of negotiations with the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 1>the government handed over the port and fifteen thousand acres

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<v Speaker 1>of land around it for ninety nine years in December.

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<v Speaker 1>The transfer gave China control of territory just a few

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles off the shores of Arrival, India and a

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<v Speaker 1>strategic foothold along a critical commercial and military waterway. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not just in Sri Lanka. So another article

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal. Later in the year, Trophy Infrastructure, troublesome debt,

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<v Speaker 1>China makes inroads in Europe. The article begins, Europe is

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<v Speaker 1>distracted by internal discord over immigration and its tense relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Russia and the US, and the US seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>fill the void, China is taking advantage of a historic

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to wedge itself into the heart of the West,

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<v Speaker 1>deal by deal. Applying experience honed in Asia and Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>China is constructing parallel financial and commercial networks in Central

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<v Speaker 1>and Eastern Europe to challenge the global order. It has

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<v Speaker 1>taken footholds in more than a dozen nations on the

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<v Speaker 1>periphery of the European Union, some such as hungry or smaller,

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<v Speaker 1>more marginalized members. Others, including Serbia, are on the runway

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<v Speaker 1>for admission. Article goes on Beijing's offers of trophy, infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>and financial lifelines to troubled economies, give those countries proposals

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<v Speaker 1>they aren't hearing from Washington and Moscow, which both generally

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<v Speaker 1>view the region through prisms of national security, and it concludes,

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<v Speaker 1>in part, for European politicians, the Chinese alternative promises quick

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<v Speaker 1>results and less fuss over contracts and transparency than typically

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<v Speaker 1>found in the West. The catch is that China's package

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<v Speaker 1>deals are government orchestrated and require borrowing from its banks

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<v Speaker 1>to pay its contractors. Another article, Hugely Vital article talks

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<v Speaker 1>about these this port lending in the like as a

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<v Speaker 1>trojan horse. It is estimated that stay backed Chinese investors

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<v Speaker 1>state owned at least ten percent of all equity imports

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, with deals inked in Greece, Spain, Italy, France,

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<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands, in Belgium. This in addition to a growing

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<v Speaker 1>investment portfolio of at least forty ports in North and

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<v Speaker 1>South America, Africa, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on. China's interest in European ports is

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<v Speaker 1>defined and driven by the Belt and Road initiative. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the biggest geopolitical challenger to America. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back from a quick break, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the tremendous shift back, a

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionary shift to first recognize the nature of the China

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<v Speaker 1>problem and start to push back on them. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Ben wangeran in for Buck Sex and on the buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sex and show We'll be right back Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Buck Sex and Show. This is Ben Weingarten in

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<v Speaker 1>for Buck here on New Year's Eve. Thanks for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the break, we tee it up a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>part of the China story, which is what has China done?

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<v Speaker 1>The next part is what has America acknowledged, publicly recognized,

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<v Speaker 1>and what is America doing to start to push back

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<v Speaker 1>on it? And of course it starts by recognizing the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a vital part of our national security

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<v Speaker 1>strategy that came out last year or this year early

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<v Speaker 1>this year that recognized something that few in the political

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<v Speaker 1>establishment would have ever imagined uttering for years a quote

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<v Speaker 1>from it. For decades, US policy was rooted in the

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<v Speaker 1>belief that support for China's rise and for its integration

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<v Speaker 1>into the postwar international order would liberalize China. Contrary to

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<v Speaker 1>our hopes, China expanded its power at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>the sovereignty of others. China gathers and exploits data on

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<v Speaker 1>an unrivaled scale and spreads futures of its authoritarian system,

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<v Speaker 1>including corruption and the use of surveillance. It is building

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<v Speaker 1>the most capable and well funded military in the world

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<v Speaker 1>after our own. Its nuclear arsenal is growing and diversifying

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<v Speaker 1>part of China as military modernization and economic expansion is

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<v Speaker 1>due to its access to the US innovation economy, including

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<v Speaker 1>America's world class universities. So we acknowledge the problem in

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<v Speaker 1>our national security strategy and then in our national defense strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>This was written the central challenged to US prosperity and

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<v Speaker 1>security is the re emergence of long term strategic competition

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<v Speaker 1>by what the National Security Strategy classifies as revisionist powers.

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<v Speaker 1>It is increasingly clear that China and Russia want to

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<v Speaker 1>shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>on from there China's leveraging military modernization, influence operations, and

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<v Speaker 1>predator predatory economics to coerce neighboring countries to reorder the

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<v Speaker 1>Indo Pacific region to their advantage, and it concludes the

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<v Speaker 1>most far reaching objective of this defense strategy, this being

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<v Speaker 1>America's defense strategy, is to set the military relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>our two countries on a path to transparency and non aggression.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of that starts with recognizing the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>problem and call them out. So the Trump administration put

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<v Speaker 1>out what's called a three oh one report through the

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<v Speaker 1>US Trade Office, and what that did was catalog all

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<v Speaker 1>of the unfair cheating that China engages in when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to again to the world economic architecture that we

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<v Speaker 1>the US created, and we're kind enough to give them

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<v Speaker 1>access to. The FBI and the Department of Justice have

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<v Speaker 1>called out espionage in testimony from China in Congress, including

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the malign influence of the Confucius Institutes that

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about before. As I mentioned, Vice President laid

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<v Speaker 1>out a landmark speech that I urge all of you

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<v Speaker 1>to read at the Hudson Institute earlier this year in

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<v Speaker 1>the fall. Then lay it out all of the malign

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<v Speaker 1>activities of China and what the administration is starting to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty big deal when the Vice President gives

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<v Speaker 1>a landmark speech like that. We've also named and shamed.

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<v Speaker 1>The DOJ has announced a slew of indictments of Chinese espionage,

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<v Speaker 1>including in areas that are strategically significant in technology, and

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<v Speaker 1>actually Jeff Sessions delivered and address when he was the

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General saying that China would be an explicit focus

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<v Speaker 1>of the Department of Justice prosecuting Chinese espionage and cheaters

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond that we've seen a military build up under President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen investment in the Navy and in our nuclear arsenal,

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<v Speaker 1>retooling it. We have potentially we're potentially going to pull

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<v Speaker 1>out of the I n F Treaty now that is

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<v Speaker 1>geared towards Russia on its face, but there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese impact to that as well, which is that China

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<v Speaker 1>is not a party to it, and that's a threat

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<v Speaker 1>to them if we're no longer a party to it.

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<v Speaker 1>We've taken off the handcuffs by engaging in offensive cyber warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>There's reportedly an executive order which says that the US

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<v Speaker 1>will indeed engage again in offensive cyber warfare as all

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<v Speaker 1>of our adversaries have done to us. There's, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the trade issues, I believe, and Warry Cudlo, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>of the National Economic Council has said that tariffs for

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<v Speaker 1>this presidency are effectively a means to an end, which

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<v Speaker 1>is ultimately free trade. And in this case, it's first

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<v Speaker 1>getting China to stop cheating and then it's to actually

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<v Speaker 1>enter a system of free, fair and reciprocal trade. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been building bilateral relationships in the Indo Pacific specifically to

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<v Speaker 1>counter China's influence, tightening up regulation of business deals with

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<v Speaker 1>foreign entities, including, of course, China promoting arm sales to Taiwan.

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>China hates that concept. The Build Act to help compete

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<v Speaker 1>against China's strategic efforts to build around the world. We've

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<v Speaker 1>laid out all of these things, and this is just

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<v Speaker 1>the start of a massive shift in US government priority

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<v Speaker 1>to counteract China's malign influence. With our next guest, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about China's aims and America's response

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<v Speaker 1>to them. We'll be right back on the Buck Sexon program.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Weingarten in for Buck Sexton here at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>hour two, and during the last hour we spoke a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about China's global strategy and this Trump administration's push back,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is potentially a revolutionary change in American

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy. Today we're joined by an expert on the subject,

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Chang, who's a Senior Fellow at the Senior Research

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, where he specializes in Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>political and security affairs. Dean, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us in Happy New Year. Thank you for having me,

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<v Speaker 1>and Happy New Year to you as well. Appreciate it, Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at China's malign activities and also China's

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<v Speaker 1>stated national goals, the question is how does it implicate

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>us national interests? And the question I would ask is

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<v Speaker 1>to you, what would the world look like if China

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<v Speaker 1>achieved its stated national goals by say twenty forty nine. Well, so,

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<v Speaker 1>what we have with China, I think it's important to emphasize,

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<v Speaker 1>is not a rising power. This is not imperial Germany

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<v Speaker 1>circa nineteen thirteen. In some ways, it's more dangerous because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a returning power. For thousands of years, China dominated

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<v Speaker 1>all of Asia. It was the Middle Kingdom. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also the Central Kingdom. All of its neighbors they never

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<v Speaker 1>balanced against China. Instead, they were tributary states. They offered

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>tribute to China. And I think that's the model of

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>international relations that China is now bringing to a global stage.

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<v Speaker 1>China wants to be China is a returning major power

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<v Speaker 1>and as the number two economy in the world, soon

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<v Speaker 1>potentially to be the number one, that's how it wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be treated. The implications for the United States are

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<v Speaker 1>quite severe. If the so called Made in China twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five project succeeds, for example, then China wants to

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<v Speaker 1>be the world's leader in the manufacturing of things ranging

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<v Speaker 1>from locomotive engines to aircraft, agricultural products to microchips. And

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<v Speaker 1>the question people should be asking is what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the world would look like then in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six if China. I think the answer to that is

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<v Speaker 1>China would have a protected domestic market that other countries

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<v Speaker 1>would not be able to compete in, but which would

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<v Speaker 1>generate the money for China to then subsidize a global

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<v Speaker 1>push on the economic side, to dominate global locomotive trade,

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<v Speaker 1>global aircraft trade, global space operations, global microchip manufacturing, and

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<v Speaker 1>as we've seen with Sri Lanka, as we've seen elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in Asia, when China dominates other countries. Bow what do

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<v Speaker 1>you make of my assessment that the currently ongoing trade

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations are merely one part of a much more comprehensive

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.760
<v Speaker 1>effort to push back on China using some or even all,

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>elements of US national power, as we've seen embedded in

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:52.240
<v Speaker 1>documents like the drum Administration's National Security Strategy, the National

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Defense strategy and numerous addresses, including those by Vice President

0:38:56.239 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Pence in recent months. Well, I hope you are correct.

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>The problem I have with that assessment is I think

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>it's overly optimistic. We seem to have a government that

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>has distinct trouble coordinating among its various elements. We certainly

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>have a government where various parts of the Deep States

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>seem to feel that they are entitled to try and

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>act against presidential directives and operations. So I'm hoping that

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>there is more of a strategy there being in the implementation.

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But I do think you've identified two key documents that

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>did in fact come out and mark a huge sea change,

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 1>The National Security Strategy and the National Defense Strategy. Basically

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>say we view China and Russia as our foremost threats.

0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Not terrorism, not ISIS, not al Qaeda. Those are still bad,

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>but the people that we have to truly worry about

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.479
<v Speaker 1>our nation, state level actors who can mobilize a huge

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>amount of resources. And in the case of China, they

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>are mobilizing not just military resources, but economic, political, human, technological,

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and financial. What is the significance Often we hear about

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>China's man made islands militarization of those islands, efforts in

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 1>the South China Sea and essentially trying to exert their

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>sovereignty over waters that the international community would generally argue

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and certainly the US would argue, are not theirs. What

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>is the impact of those moves on everyday American life? Ultimately,

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 1>ultimately speaking, we are talking about China trying to expand

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>its sovereignty over international common spaces. So for the South

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>China See issue, we're talking about the corroded argy of

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>global trade. Five point three trillion dollars of goods moves

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>through those waters every year. If your listeners are listening

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>on a on a laptop, if they are going to

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>later watch the Rose Bowl tomorrow on a flat screen,

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.280
<v Speaker 1>if they're going to get a beer or soft drink

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>out of a refrigerator, those goods quite likely have passed

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>through the South China see And if not the goods themselves,

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>certainly subparts and components. If China controls those waters as

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 1>national waters, then it has the ability to really basically

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 1>strangle international trade or at least make it much more

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.359
<v Speaker 1>expensive for all of those goods. There was recently a

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 1>bipartisan report published which essentially said and I will paraphrase

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it here that the US might not win in a

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>war head to head with China, presumably a conventional war.

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>What do you make of that report and how would

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>you compare overall China's conventional and non conventional capabilities versus

0:41:55.200 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 1>those of America. Well, the Chinese have two advantages. One

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>is very basic which people forget, which is the US

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>is a global military power and we need to be

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>because we have global interests. What that means is every

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.320
<v Speaker 1>dollar we spend on defense gets spread around the world.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>China is still a regional military power, and every reming Bee,

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>every un it spends it mostly gets this focus at home.

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>So if we have twelve aircraft carriers in the Pacific,

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>if we're lucky, we have seven, and not all of

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>those are going to be available. China is working on

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>its third aircraft carrier and they're keeping all of those

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>at home. So far, from twelve to three, we're looking

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>at seven to three and probably less. So that's the basic.

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>The bigger issue is China knows where it wants to go.

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 1>China sees US as a threat. For eight years, we

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 1>had an administration that actively work to prevent US from

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>even saying that China is a threat. Had a senior

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>commander of Pacific Command who said the greatest threat in

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>his area of responsibility, meaning the entire Pacific, was climate change,

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 1>not North Korea, not China. Climate change. When you have

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 1>senior military commanders thinking that way, talking that way, you

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>can have a lot harder time trying to get the

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>resources and the war planning done versus an adversary who says,

0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you know who my biggest enemy is? The United States. Yeah,

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>one can only imagine what the perception of those comments

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>about climate change was in Beijing. And meanwhile, it's not

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>as if there have not been a series of potentially

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>cataquismic acts that China has engaged in towards the US

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that oftentimes I think are overlooked. Two of them in

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>recent years being the OPM hack number one and number

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>two the literal liquidation killing of our intelligence network on

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Chinese soil. Put in context, how devastating those two acts

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>have been China, somebody once pointed. A major British historian

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 1>pointed out, we should be rewriting the entire history of

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the Second World War now that all of the secrets

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 1>have been declassified, about how we were reading all the

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 1>German codes and all the Japanese codes. That is how

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:26.359
<v Speaker 1>fundamental our ability to read their information was the fact

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that the Chinese basically have all of our personnel data

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and we're able to crack our communications to kill off

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>our network of agents. Gives you an idea of how

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 1>much of our mail, email, documents, data flow they are reading.

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>This is you know, if there is a conflict and

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the other side knows your orders, knows where your forces

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>are going, knows your rules of engagement, you are seriously

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>up a creek. What is China's end goal and establishing

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>control of ports throughout the world, including most notably in

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Europe and the Middle East. This has been described by

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>some as sort of a trojan horse effort to what end. Well,

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it is so that there will be

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Chinese troops walking the unter den Linden or occupation forces

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in Rome. This is not how the Chinese, I think,

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>are thinking. I think what it is is to have

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 1>enough of control and the influence over key parts of

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.879
<v Speaker 1>the global trade and later the global financial system that

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>when another country, be at the United States or Germany

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>or who member says hey, you have to stop hacking

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>into our data. Hey, you have to start respecting intellectual

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>property rights. The Chinese said, you know, be a real

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>shame if none of your cranes worked, if none of

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>your pipelines worked. I mean, that's the sort of thing

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that we are seeing now in Sri Lanka. Apparently now

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in Kenya is where the Chinese have financed ports things

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and then they basically say, hey, you sun this contract payoff,

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and when the country can't, it's like, okay, well that's

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 1>simple enough, We're foreclosing, We're taking over the port. You know,

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about a country like Greece, work Hungary,

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.479
<v Speaker 1>that is potentially the situation less likely in a place

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>like Germany or France because they are wealthier, but poor

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>European countries may someday face the same pipe. What is

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the appropriate response to what I've frequently referred to as

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of a loan to own strategy, That is, China

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:41.839
<v Speaker 1>provides financing that seems to present no strings attached to it,

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but then ultimately the financing the dead burden becomes crippling,

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and then the foreign nation has to then turn over

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>those assets to the Chinese. What is the appropriate response

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 1>from the West in general and American in particular. Well,

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I think one important thing not to do is to

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.359
<v Speaker 1>not get into a competition with the Chinese on who

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>can loan more people more money, because, as my good

0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>friend Derek scissors Over at the American Enterprise Institute has

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>pointed out, you will never outsubsidize the Chinese. Their loans

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and things are not based on financial balance sheets. It's

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 1>not based on a good business plan. It is strategic.

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It is hey, I want influence in this country. I

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>don't care if that port never makes money. If I

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:29.439
<v Speaker 1>gain influence, that's my payoff. So on the one hand,

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>so long as we are operating on a more financially

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>sound basis, that's part of what we should be doing.

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 1>We should be saying, hey, this port is a good idea.

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 1>We should look at it because it will make everybody money,

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>including the owning country. In the meantime, though, one of

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the things we could probably do is, for example, create

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a voluntary core of legal experts so that poor countries

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>could have advice to say, look, you do you may

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>not realize this, but these loan terms are terrible. You

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 1>may not realize this, but they are going to ultimately

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>charge you an arm and a leg and ahead in

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 1>terms of interest rates. Don't sign this contract. We might

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 1>even offer to help provide negotiators, and because they would

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>be paid therefore, you know, they are presumably going to

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:21.280
<v Speaker 1>be working for the government of the other country to say, look,

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.720
<v Speaker 1>you know you may need some actual negotiating advice, legal

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 1>advice on before you sign with the Chinese. These are

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 1>things that I think human talent wise, we could be

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 1>helping to develop in these countries so that they have

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a better chance of standing up to the Chinese. You

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.399
<v Speaker 1>speak about the sort of illogic from an economic perspective

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>of much of China's efforts abroad to essentially buy influence,

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>not actually have prosperous projects domestically. I wonder if you

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>could speak a bit to the idea that, look, central

0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 1>planning fails everywhere that it's tried. To what degree has

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 1>central planning hamper the Chinese? And ultimately could it prove

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to be to some degree their downfall, their fatal flaw.

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that if I were a more

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 1>suspicious person, I'd say that Alexandra Ocasio Cortez basically seems

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to be a better disciple of Mao than the Chinese.

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>The Chinese themselves have said, look, central planning doesn't work.

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>So the Chinese economy today is this weird hybrid. They

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>call it a socialist market economy where certain directives are

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:40.880
<v Speaker 1>laid out and state owned enterprises don't operate according to

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>making a profit, but resource allocation still does in fact

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.839
<v Speaker 1>use the market to sort of get signals through Hey

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 1>this is working, this isn't working. So on the one hand,

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>your average Chinese person, you know, the restaurants they eat at,

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 1>many of the shops they shop at, those are real

0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 1>private commercial enterprises. But steel, shipbuilding, aerospace, those are state champions.

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 1>They are given centralized direction, and we're watching a slowdown

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:17.840
<v Speaker 1>in innovation in those areas precisely because they are operating

0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>under an ever heavier dead hand of you know, a

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of higher level oversight and direction, rather than the

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 1>hidden hand of more traditional capitalism. Dianne, we'll have to

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>leave it right there. Happy New Year's and thank you

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on. Thank you again for having me.

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back on the buck Sexton Show. This

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 1>is ben Winegarden in four buck Sexton on the buck

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show. Appreciate you taking the time to spend it

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>with me here on New Year's Eve. You can follow

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>me on Twitter at b h Winegarden. All Right, we've

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>been talking a bit about national security and foreign policy

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 1>as well as foreign influence. We've heard about the hysteria

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of foreign influence in the US, primarily from the Russians,

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>but also does exist from the Chinese and from all

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>sorts of other malign actors throughout the world. One of

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>those actors is Iran and now their proxies. Very interestingly,

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Iran has built up a set of Sunni partners, and

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:19.240
<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of folks in American media and outside

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of American media as well, who, for example, were proponents

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of Iran Deal and the Obama administration's policy writ large

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>with respect to Iran and the Middle East. What was

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>that policy? That policy was about enabling the building of

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 1>a quote unquote Shiite crescent, a land bridge that would

0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:43.760
<v Speaker 1>allow Iran to become the dominant hegemonic player in the region.

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.240
<v Speaker 1>These folks, as you would imagine, have not been pleased

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:51.480
<v Speaker 1>by the Trump administration, because the Trump administration's main actions

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in the region have been to counteract almost everything that

0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the Obama administration did. For example, pulling out of Iran,

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you reimposing crippling sanctions, building up an alliance of relatively secular,

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:11.640
<v Speaker 1>authoritarian Sunni Arab nations as a bulwark against Iran and

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the Shii crescent that they're trying to build, not just

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>those nations, but amazingly an Israel US Sunni Arab partnership,

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 1>something that most people thought they would never see in

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 1>their lifetime. But that actually is the perverse positive, the

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:29.200
<v Speaker 1>perverse benefit of an Obama administration that tried to make

0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Iran the strong horse in the region. Now I mentioned

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.479
<v Speaker 1>foreign influence and Iranian foreign influence. How do we see

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that in America? Well, we actually see it in a

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 1>media that not only cheerleads, but even it appears is

0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>a willing participant, is complicit in, whether wittingly or unwittingly,

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 1>actual influence operations, information operations that happen to have the

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>perverse detrimental result for America, which is putting forth the

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Iranian position, pushing back on this alliance that has been

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 1>built as a bulwark against it, and ultimately damaging a

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:15.279
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Israel, damaging a relationship with others who are

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.040
<v Speaker 1>vital to defending against the world's leading state sponsor of

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>jihad in Iran. Where is this influence operation most acute?

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>We see it in the story of Jamal Kashogi. And

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.160
<v Speaker 1>up next we're going to talk about that influence operation.

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 1>This has Ben Weingarden in for Buck Sexton on the

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:36.560
<v Speaker 1>buck Sexton Show. We'll talk about that influence operation back

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<v Speaker 1>in just a minute. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ben Weinarden in for bucks Sexton. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>before our break, we spoke a bit about foreign influence operations,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them being that of Jamal Kashogi. And to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a little bit more context here, Jamal Kashogi

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<v Speaker 1>was cast by the media as this liberty loving muckraking

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<v Speaker 1>journalists from Saudi Arabia who was fighting the good fight

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<v Speaker 1>against the authoritarian Mohammed bin Salmon MBS and as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of his efforts was brutally butchered by that regime

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<v Speaker 1>in Turkey in the Saudi embassy. There, some of us,

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<v Speaker 1>including my next guest and his organization as well as myself,

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<v Speaker 1>questioned that official narrative, and suddenly, two months after this

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<v Speaker 1>influence operation has had its intended effect, we now find

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<v Speaker 1>that those who were cast as having smeared Koshogi, were

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<v Speaker 1>actually telling the exact truth that the Washington Post has

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<v Speaker 1>just printed where he used to write. Joining me now

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<v Speaker 1>on the line is David Reboy, Senior vice president at

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<v Speaker 1>the Security Studies Group. His organization has done tremendous work

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<v Speaker 1>on the Koshogi story. David, thanks so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my pleasure. Happy year. Likewise, happened a new year

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<v Speaker 1>to you as well. So you contend that the entire

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<v Speaker 1>Koshogi story, and you were following this in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>is in effect and information operation don effectively on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the Qatari government which is aligned with the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus this whole information operation has benefited the Iranians

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<v Speaker 1>connect the dots for us. Sure well, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a lot of credit too, because because you

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<v Speaker 1>and I were there at the very beginning, as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as this was, as soon as this was breaking, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think we both saw not a lot of people did.

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<v Speaker 1>We both saw the stitches on the fastball coming at

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<v Speaker 1>us and um and we recognized this for what really,

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<v Speaker 1>for what it's for what it was. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to command you on your great work on this as well. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you but sure. But to be brief, UM, we

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<v Speaker 1>had in in in the Middle East, especially around these

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<v Speaker 1>parts where you don't have a real robust tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>a free, inquisitive non artists and pressed. Um, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have the aspiration for that. What do you do have?

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<v Speaker 1>You have basically agents of influence or what people people

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<v Speaker 1>who would be called in another context UM, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, intelligence agents and their job.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some guys are spies, some guys UM do research,

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<v Speaker 1>and some guys are journalists. That's just the cover that

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<v Speaker 1>they wear. And they go sort of from place to place,

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<v Speaker 1>from from gig to gigs, UM advancing the interests of

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<v Speaker 1>their patrons. And Kashogi was a guy who did this

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<v Speaker 1>and applied his his his wares, his whares where we're

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<v Speaker 1>um we're influenced through the medium of journalism UM or

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<v Speaker 1>writing columns and and he did it on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>Osama bin Laden and the Mushaden in Afghanistan, he did

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<v Speaker 1>it on behalf of the prior ruling click in UM

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<v Speaker 1>in Saudi Arabia specifically Turkey, Fifaal and and most recently

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing it on behalf of the Qatari government,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of interesting how all of those

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<v Speaker 1>particular patrons that Kashobi had were sort of of a

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<v Speaker 1>similar Islamist stripe. Well. At some point over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, this particular point of view, this Islamist

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<v Speaker 1>persuasion of Kashobi's, meets up against MBS and the new

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<v Speaker 1>kind of reform movement that's going on in Saudi Arabia,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, his Shogi is the odd

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<v Speaker 1>man out. His particular sympathies for the Muslim Brotherhood put

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<v Speaker 1>him far outside of what um of of what Mohammed

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<v Speaker 1>bin Salman and the rest of the young reformers in

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<v Speaker 1>the Kingdom um want to go for where they want

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<v Speaker 1>to go with with their society. They're very anti Brotherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're also very anti Iran. Maki Shogi was also

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<v Speaker 1>anti Iran, but he was very much pro Brotherhood, so

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<v Speaker 1>um so he was. He was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>free agent for a while until he found the Kataris

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<v Speaker 1>and the Qataris are our major um rivals and regional

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<v Speaker 1>adversaries to the Saudies, and they bank roll and give

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic and other institutional support to the Brotherhood and they

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<v Speaker 1>have for for the last you know, thirty forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this so Katar was really a perfect home

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<v Speaker 1>for Jamaka Shogi Um. And and sort of that brings

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<v Speaker 1>us to his his his death and you know, his

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<v Speaker 1>his death at the hands is believed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>savvy agent probably almost you know, certainly UM savvy agents

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<v Speaker 1>inside inside Turkey. But the more the more we learn

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<v Speaker 1>about this, the more it seemed like it wasn't so

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<v Speaker 1>much a killing in cold blood as it was an

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<v Speaker 1>attempted rendition. They wanted to bring him home. Um, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to to uh to bring him home from from

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey back to Saudi Arabia, and he didn't want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like there was a fight, a struggle ensued

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<v Speaker 1>and Um and he died. Now that's a terrible thing. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a terrible thing when when anyone died. But as

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<v Speaker 1>I pointed out recently at Security Edit in a new

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<v Speaker 1>article of Security Studies group Security Studies dot orger, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a it's a far different story. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a spy dying UM on the way to be UM

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<v Speaker 1>to be sort of forcibly taken back to his home

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<v Speaker 1>country is a far fly from the media narrative, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that he was this wonderful freedom loving um journalist

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<v Speaker 1>who was just murdered because Saudi Arabia couldn't stand the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of someone advocating for freedom um, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>is the narratives that both Kataris want to advance and

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<v Speaker 1>and all sorts of the narratives that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people on the left and the Washington both want to advance.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in a kind of strange situation where could

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<v Speaker 1>show he was a Qatari asset prior to his death

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<v Speaker 1>and his death um, you know, after his death he

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<v Speaker 1>sort of transmodified again into a Tatari asset um for

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<v Speaker 1>use against the saudiast um. You know, once once he

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<v Speaker 1>had once he had sort of you know, uh departed

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<v Speaker 1>his natural life. So it's a it's an interesting situation,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know. Um, it's by far one of

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<v Speaker 1>the big stories of the year for a number of reasons. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and time has made Kashogi one of their people of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, holding him up, you know. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the part of this which is just purely cynical. Politics

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<v Speaker 1>of journalists are under attack around the world, and here

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<v Speaker 1>was someone who was writing in the US for the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post, and thus Trump is responsible or Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>somehow complicit because he's working with Mohammed bin Salmon to

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<v Speaker 1>defend US national interest in that region, and Salmon is

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed as the butcher in all of this. But I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back to just the basic details of

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<v Speaker 1>Kashogi's background, and you raise a few of them. He

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<v Speaker 1>was effectively a quote unquote state journalist for the prior

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<v Speaker 1>ruling clique in Saudi Arabia. He worked closely with Turkey

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<v Speaker 1>bin Faisal, who was the Saudi intelligence chief until just

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<v Speaker 1>before nine to eleven, and then an ambassador after so

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<v Speaker 1>Kashogi presumably traveled around with him as an advisor. And

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<v Speaker 1>Kashogi was an Islamic supremacist as well. How did he

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<v Speaker 1>ever end up allowed into the United States in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place? But this is an excellent question that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>seems to know the answer too. I know a number

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<v Speaker 1>of people at I mean, at first as as we remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the story was that he was a Green card holder.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I reached out to people that I

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<v Speaker 1>know at DHS and and and others in government, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, can you find out for me some

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<v Speaker 1>of the details about his Green card application and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the responsible of hey, we don't know anything, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it quickly became clear that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not a Green card holder, but he was in this

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<v Speaker 1>country legally somehow. And to this date it's been several

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<v Speaker 1>months and we still don't really know the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>who was the one that gave him a throng l

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<v Speaker 1>who was the one that that allowed him to allow

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<v Speaker 1>him to come in? And and look, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible he came in in a diplomatic way because

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<v Speaker 1>he did for a time, he did work at the

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi embassy in Washington, so it's possible that he um

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<v Speaker 1>he still had some type of diplomatic credentials, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a known guy around town. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's reasonable to expect if there was someone in the

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<v Speaker 1>bureaucracy or the intelligence community that's kind of raised their

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<v Speaker 1>hand to on his behalf and got him in here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, regardless, somebody who hung out with the mujadin

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<v Speaker 1>and beIN Lauden in Afghanistan should probably be looked at

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<v Speaker 1>twice if admitted at all. This is Ben Weingarten in

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<v Speaker 1>for Buck Sexon on the Buck Sexon Show. We'll pick

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<v Speaker 1>up this conversation on Jamaica Shogi just after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Weinarten in for Buck Sexton. We've been speaking with David Reeboy,

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<v Speaker 1>senior vice president at the Secure He Studies Group, about

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Jamal Kashogi. One of the defining stories

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen in the view of the media. But

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's defining because it shows the media being complicit

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<v Speaker 1>in an information operation from hostile powers. Now, David, we

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about how Jamal Kashogi was able to

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<v Speaker 1>enter the United States in the first place. Regardless, he

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<v Speaker 1>has been held up as a cause, celeb and used

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<v Speaker 1>on a bipartisan basis in a sense as a martyr,

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<v Speaker 1>as a political symbol for the political establishment to impose

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<v Speaker 1>its views on the Trump administration. Essentially, what has been

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of the death of Kashogi? How has it

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<v Speaker 1>been leveraged? Sure, he's primarily the people who are who

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<v Speaker 1>are sort of waiting with bloody Kogi shirts, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>fall into one or more of these categories. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the first is people who are pro if Lamist, pro

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim brotherhood, It doesn't mean that they are UM. They're

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<v Speaker 1>either Muslim nor brothers UM. But they think that the

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<v Speaker 1>best debt for the Middle East is to have UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is to have what they believe is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>authentic Islamic democracy, which they think is Sharia law, and

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<v Speaker 1>they think it's a you know, sort of positive development

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<v Speaker 1>for the region. UM. I think that's crazy. Even I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's crazy. But you know this, this particular point

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<v Speaker 1>of view is quite popular in inside the Belble and

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<v Speaker 1>especially at a CIA and UH and some other intelligence pagencies.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got that. On the other hand, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who are pro Iran and who

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<v Speaker 1>still resent Saudi Arabia's role together with Israel and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to convince the event Obama administration not to not to

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<v Speaker 1>implement the JCPLA on the random. These guys, I think UH,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically MBS and UH and in particular UM young generation

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<v Speaker 1>understood very clearly and still do UM that Rahan is

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<v Speaker 1>a greater threat to their own stability and there was

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<v Speaker 1>their regime stability and also the stability of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East un than Israeli is. So they allied

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<v Speaker 1>together to UM to combat the Iran deal. They failed

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard, but the people who push the Iran

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<v Speaker 1>deal very hard still harbor a grudge and they would

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<v Speaker 1>like to um uh, they would like to get back

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<v Speaker 1>at the Saudis anyway they can. So then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>third group of folks who are hardcore fanatical Trump Trump haters.

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<v Speaker 1>And these people, you know, take a look at the

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<v Speaker 1>scene and they see, um, they see Jared Kushner's very

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<v Speaker 1>tight relationship with MBS. They see um, they see Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's first and visit both to Jerusalem and also to

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<v Speaker 1>ri Odd and they say, hey, you know, the Saudians

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<v Speaker 1>are close to Trump. Therefore the Saudis are bad. Therefore

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<v Speaker 1>we need to attack them. Um, you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>in uh, in every in every venue. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>those three you know, those those three things sort of

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<v Speaker 1>explain most of the people who are who are who

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<v Speaker 1>are going into hysterics about this, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to be blunt and it sounds you know, people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not familiar with geo politics, people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with the Middle East, um, may think this is

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<v Speaker 1>rather callous, but the truth of the matter is it's

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<v Speaker 1>one guy who gets killed in the Middle East, and

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. You know, that's like Tuesday. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's not um, that's not you know, something something exceptional,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's certainly not something that is caused to completely

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<v Speaker 1>reorient our on Middle East policy, which is which is

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<v Speaker 1>what a lot of these folks would like to do.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, they would like to realign towards the Brotherhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would like to realign towards the Iran and

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia stands in between those two things and opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to those two things. So obviously folks who care about

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<v Speaker 1>that are going to be taking their shots. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much what we've seen over the last over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of months. I'm going to throw in one

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<v Speaker 1>more interested actor in lovefair Kashogi, and we've just got

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<v Speaker 1>a minute and a half to talk about this actor Turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened in a Saudi embassy in Turkey. Turkey has

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<v Speaker 1>been increasingly aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood Qatar, even the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they're not natural allies by any stretch. Based

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<v Speaker 1>on what you've observed and what has happened in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>including in Syria with sort of a reproachemand between the

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<v Speaker 1>US and Turkey in some regards as partners. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>believe that there is a substantial Turkish leveraging of kashogi

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<v Speaker 1>as well to their benefit and what is that benefit? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, UM, I think of course that's true. Security

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<v Speaker 1>Study Group we UH, my colleagues Nick Short and Brad

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<v Speaker 1>Patty wrote a kind of brilliant paper about this UM tracking,

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<v Speaker 1>the tracking the way the Turks used the slow of

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<v Speaker 1>information leaking out so very deliberately and very strategically in

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<v Speaker 1>order to extract maximum benefit and in order to UH

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<v Speaker 1>in order to generate the most the most painful for

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<v Speaker 1>the Saudis as as they did so. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that the the Saudis and the UH the

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<v Speaker 1>churchs are are and have been m rivals UM, just

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<v Speaker 1>as the Tutoris and the and the Saudis hat in

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, of course they want to take advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you mentioned the reproach law between the US and Turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if that's really the case or it's

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of a temporal tactical good good feeling UM

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Turks here. So so that's that's yet to

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<v Speaker 1>play out. I think, if I think if the President

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<v Speaker 1>does indeed move closer to Turkey in a tangible way. Then, um,

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<v Speaker 1>then I think that's that's you know, that's a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>thing strategically, and it would be it would be a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible blunder that that. I would be surprised if if

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<v Speaker 1>John Bolton winning along with that. David, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to leave it right there. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us today. We'll be right back on the Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sexon Show in just a minute. Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Sexton Show. This is Ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexton.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Big Ideas with Ben Weingarten Podcast. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this in my Twitter profile. All right, So we were

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<v Speaker 1>just talking with David Reeboy at length about Jamal Kashogi,

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<v Speaker 1>national security and foreign affairs writ large. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>want to transition back to what is going down on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground domestically and what we're going to see over

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<v Speaker 1>the next two years. You know, I think it's total

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<v Speaker 1>folly to try to make ten predictions for twenty nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ten predictions for twenty twenty. Part of what being a

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<v Speaker 1>conservative means is you have to understand human nature. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the realities about human nature is that we cannot

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend the millions of variables that go into any of

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<v Speaker 1>these political circumstances. If that was the case, why we're

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<v Speaker 1>so few of the quote unquote experts able to see

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<v Speaker 1>what was coming in the twenty sixteen election. Being a

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<v Speaker 1>conservative requires humility, It requires understanding our own limitations. That

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean, of course, that we shouldn't look at

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on on the ground. And the horse

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<v Speaker 1>race frankly for twenty twenty has already started just today.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren, Senator from Massachusetts, Pocahontas. You can actually look

1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:21.320
<v Speaker 1>at the Vegas odds, it's going to be about one

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty four to one that she will be the

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<v Speaker 1>next president of the United States. She formed an exploratory

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<v Speaker 1>committee for presidency. She is joined by any number of

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<v Speaker 1>folks mainly to her left. Amazingly, by the way, amazing

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<v Speaker 1>that she is not on the firm left wing of

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<v Speaker 1>her party. Potentially look at someone like Alexandroocazio Cortez. She

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<v Speaker 1>would probably consider Elizabeth Warren, the equivalent of what we

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<v Speaker 1>would call Rhinos, who is she joined by? Well in

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<v Speaker 1>the old Guard, you do have folks like Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>You also have Joe Biden. Joe Biden will be an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting figure because I think a lot of people believe

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<v Speaker 1>that he is someone who could peel off some of

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<v Speaker 1>those what I would call Reagan Democrats, the new Reagan Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>call them Trump Democrats in the Midwest, in the Heartland

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<v Speaker 1>and elsewhere who went and voted for a Republican against

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<v Speaker 1>many odds, and Trump has sort of tried to reorient

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<v Speaker 1>the party towards being a workers party, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>the party of labor, the party of the middle class

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<v Speaker 1>and the lower middle class. This is a dramatic shift

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<v Speaker 1>in our politics. Reagan did it before, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump equivalent of it. So Joe Biden is seen

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<v Speaker 1>as a figure who potentially could threaten that stranglehold on

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<v Speaker 1>the middle those voters who swung over and voted Republican

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<v Speaker 1>and said they've had enough with the establishment Democrats and

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<v Speaker 1>those like Hillary Clinton. Amazingly, in some ways, you can

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<v Speaker 1>see parallels almost between Bernie Sanders supporters and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>supporters and By the way, Bernie is another candidate who

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<v Speaker 1>will definitely be competing I believe in this next election,

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<v Speaker 1>although he is not announced yet and he is old

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair. But let's not be agist here. His

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<v Speaker 1>galvanizing support during that last election were younger Democrats, the

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<v Speaker 1>young Turks. But he has some more competition this time.

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<v Speaker 1>He has folks like Corey Booker, who's already spent time

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<v Speaker 1>out in Iowa, substantial time on the ground. He's building

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<v Speaker 1>his national network. He's doing all the things one would

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<v Speaker 1>do if they were really serious about it. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>have my doubts about Spartacus. He's shown himself on the

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<v Speaker 1>national stage to be buffoonish at times. Frankly, he has

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<v Speaker 1>a likable personality and that's powerful, and Democrats love the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of rising star candidates. Traditionally, Republicans have been the

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<v Speaker 1>party of it's the next person in line. You've paid

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<v Speaker 1>your dues, you've worked your way up, you've ingratiated yourself

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<v Speaker 1>with the establishment. It doesn't really matter that the Conservative

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<v Speaker 1>base is where the real energy is in the party.

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<v Speaker 1>It is about paying your dues, working your way up

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder, and then you were ultimately rewarded for it

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<v Speaker 1>with your nomination. Clearly it didn't go that way last election. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats believe in these rising stars. They believe in the

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<v Speaker 1>people who catch fire overnight. And that's why, in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that there is a massive list of

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats potentially running next time, someone who is not even

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<v Speaker 1>on the radar could potentially be in play. Just look

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<v Speaker 1>at Donald Trump's ascendants. Who else is on the left? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the billionaire class, and this is really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because at least one of the two billionaires is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a real tough time dealing with the base

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<v Speaker 1>in his party that fundamentally loads capitalism and loads corporate

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<v Speaker 1>people besides those in certain more creative industries. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have Tom Steyer on the one hand. Tom Steyer is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who probably has I would guess, minimal national name identification.

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<v Speaker 1>What he does have is a massive bank account and

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<v Speaker 1>loyalty within his party because he's been supporting the left

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<v Speaker 1>wing of his party for years with millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to his name. This is a guy who is an

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<v Speaker 1>envirol radical, someone who is an arch leftist, who believes

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<v Speaker 1>essentially in taking the fruits of capitalism. The hundreds of millions,

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<v Speaker 1>if not billions of dollars that he has earned and

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<v Speaker 1>using it to in effect take down that very system.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something sickening about that. It goes back to my

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<v Speaker 1>opening monologue. Today. You have these people who have been

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<v Speaker 1>gifted this unbelievable system that has enabled them to flourish,

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue their self interests, to pursue their happiness, to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue their dreams. And what do they do with it?

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<v Speaker 1>They say, I hate this system, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>put millions of dollars of my own money and to

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<v Speaker 1>turn it on its head, to repudiate everything that the

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<v Speaker 1>country was built on. So Tom Stier's won. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>have Michael Bloomberg, New York Democrat, New York by way

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<v Speaker 1>of Buston Democrat, built a tremendous company, a dominant company

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<v Speaker 1>in the news and information space. In the financial space.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to work in finance years ago, everyone had

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<v Speaker 1>a Bloomberg box. It remains the monopoly in finance. So

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<v Speaker 1>he learns how to build a better widget than anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else and developed contracts and ties that would ultimately allow

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<v Speaker 1>him to be a dominant player in the marketplace. And

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<v Speaker 1>for that he should be commended. He's been a fantastically

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<v Speaker 1>successful business person, but his politics are god awful. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that he will be portrayed the way Democrats would

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<v Speaker 1>have loved to portray Donald Trump but couldn't, which is

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<v Speaker 1>as an out of touch billionaire, but not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is at odds with his party fundamentally, because

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<v Speaker 1>he would be cast as a moderate quote unquote. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was sort of a Republican in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>then an independent because he couldn't really win as a Republican, etc. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>what he is in many respects is a classic Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. You know, he's most known,

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<v Speaker 1>probably nationally, for backing these campaigns to clamp down on guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Second Amendment is his issue. I believe that what he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks are moderate common sense stances, and which he may

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<v Speaker 1>articulate in a moderate common sense sort of way. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's not going to fly nationally, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>his jabbing jousting with Donald Trump, that Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>going to wipe the floor with him ultimately if it

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<v Speaker 1>ever came to it. You saw what he did to

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<v Speaker 1>his Republican opponents and then Hillary Clinton, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>before it even gets to that point, Mike Bloomberg is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have challenges within his own party, and he

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<v Speaker 1>may run as someone who acts as if he can

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<v Speaker 1>unify the two parties. But if that's the case, he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really have a good perspective on where the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>and conservative basis today. Certainly, even among the most ardent

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<v Speaker 1>never Trumpers, it's hard to imagine them being probe Bloombergites.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably rather not vote. I would guess maybe I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm being overly optimistic here. Then you have others

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<v Speaker 1>like a Julian Castro, or a Kamala Harris, or an

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Quoba car or my personal favorite of all, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Francis O'Rourke aka Beato. I think Beato is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have some problems too, because, and this is really one

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<v Speaker 1>of the sickening things about where the left is and

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<v Speaker 1>where Democrats are today. You see this in Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter is not an accurate representation by any stretch I

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<v Speaker 1>think of where the country is. The people who use

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter actively are self selecting. A lot of them are

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<v Speaker 1>political junkies. Many of them say things in Twitter that

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<v Speaker 1>they would never say to someone's face in person. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's been an active campaign on the left about saying

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<v Speaker 1>that a white male cannot be the left's nominee, which

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<v Speaker 1>goes against everything the country is based on. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the idea of judging people on the

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<v Speaker 1>basis of the content of their character, not the color

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<v Speaker 1>of their skin or something they have no control over

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<v Speaker 1>in their sex. It's absurd, it's asinine. There's one party

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<v Speaker 1>that is really obsessed with all of these intangible qualities

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<v Speaker 1>that reflect nothing about who you are as a person

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<v Speaker 1>and what you're made of, or about your individuality. They're

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<v Speaker 1>all about collectivizing groups of people, and then they're about saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you up and hit certain boxes, so you may be problematic,

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote, that's the word they like to use. Problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Francis O'Rourke I believe is problematic because he goes

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<v Speaker 1>by the moniker beato. He's a cultural appropriator. He tries

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<v Speaker 1>to portray himself as something he is not on an

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<v Speaker 1>identity politics basis, as if he is a Latino Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>from Texas. And by the way, of course, that's tremendously

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<v Speaker 1>valuable from the perspective of the left, because if they

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<v Speaker 1>flip Texas they believe they will have flipped the country permanently.

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<v Speaker 1>The other ground, of course, is immigration. Fled the country

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<v Speaker 1>with illegal aliens, give them mass amnesty, and it's their

1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>belief that then they will have a permanent democratic majority,

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<v Speaker 1>which is incredibly cynical on the one hand, it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of and it's an evil plan on the other And

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<v Speaker 1>they're never really honest about it. They're never really honest

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<v Speaker 1>about it. We're gonna take a quick break, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we do, I want to talk to you about Black

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<v Speaker 1>Rifle Coffee Company. You know, in the midst of all

1:21:12.720 --> 1:21:16.479
<v Speaker 1>this whining and frankly hysteria coming from the left, many

1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.840
<v Speaker 1>of the folks I was just talking about whether it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the climate crisis, identity politics, toxic masculinity, folkahuntas,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to wonder why in the world would anyone

1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>act this way. My guess is they're not getting their

1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.360
<v Speaker 1>daily dose of Black Rifle coffee. I am a once

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Buck Sex and Show. This is

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<v Speaker 1>ben Winegarden in for Buck Sexton follow me on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>at b H Winegarden. Before the break, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the horse race which has already started in Earnest

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty, and we were focusing on President Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>foils on the left, the assumed competition. Then there's, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump agenda itself. There's the opposition, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the positive, which is what will President Trump be running

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<v Speaker 1>on in a couple of years, What will the public

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<v Speaker 1>perceive as the most vital issues, what will motivate them?

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<v Speaker 1>Will you be able to summarize the question? Will you

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<v Speaker 1>be able to respond easily to the question are you

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<v Speaker 1>better off than you were four years ago? One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I think was missed in the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is that you knew

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the Trump agenda was. You could not define

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton's agenda. A candidate needs to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>define themselves. They cannot allow the opposition to define them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also can't be defined by just being in

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<v Speaker 1>opposition themselves. We've seen Trump derangement syndrome as the unifying etho,

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<v Speaker 1>the unifying philosophy for democrats. Can you describe what the

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<v Speaker 1>democratic agenda is today? You kind of know what direction

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<v Speaker 1>they want to go in any of a number of issues, economics,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe national security, and foreign policy, although it's probably somewhat ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe in trade, maybe not environmentalism. Yeah, you can, you

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<v Speaker 1>can define that, regulations, healthcare, size of government. Democrats cannot

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<v Speaker 1>easily define these things. They are defined by their hatred

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<v Speaker 1>of the president. And you see that the older hands

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<v Speaker 1>in the House, for example, like Gerald Nadler, the incoming

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<v Speaker 1>House Judiciary Chair, who would be the person overseeing a

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<v Speaker 1>potential impeachment of Donald Trump in the House, you see

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<v Speaker 1>that they are kind of trying to slowly lead along

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<v Speaker 1>the more radical, energized, animated elements, hostile elements towards the

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<v Speaker 1>President within their caucus. But on the other hand, they

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<v Speaker 1>cannot upset where their bases and the bass is in

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<v Speaker 1>Trump hatred mode they have been since before day one.

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<v Speaker 1>Will that Trump derangement syndrome lead the left the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>to overstep presumably Nancy Pelosi and others in leadership, The

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<v Speaker 1>old hands will say no, because they'll view it as

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<v Speaker 1>potentially devastating in twenty twenty for them to have not

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<v Speaker 1>learned the lessons from Republicans back in ninety eight ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine when it came to Bill Clinton. I've pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>and I urge you to read this in an editorial

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<v Speaker 1>at The Federalist, I wrote about Gerald Nadler what Gerald

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<v Speaker 1>Nadler said back then, because guess what, he's a swamp creature.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been in the House since before nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was there when impeachment proceedings conversations were going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the House. What he said during that time period,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to paraphrase here, was the following. Perjuring

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<v Speaker 1>yourself over something personal, over something sexual in nature, is

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<v Speaker 1>not an impeachable offense. What are impeachable offenses? Impeachable offenses

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<v Speaker 1>are high crimes and misdemeanors that actively gum up or

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<v Speaker 1>thwart or betray the Constitution and actually threaten the separation

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<v Speaker 1>of powers and checks and balances. In other words, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, we're talking about besides the most egregious

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<v Speaker 1>potential acts, what we're talking about here is violating your

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<v Speaker 1>office in the sense of destroying the constitutional imperatives. He

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<v Speaker 1>specifically said, perjuring yourself over personal matters essentially non factor.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, he goes on television after the latest,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the last Michael Cohen revelations about oh, a

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<v Speaker 1>potential campaign finance violation, and then did the president But

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't president at the time, So can he really

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<v Speaker 1>be impeached if he wasn't even a president when the

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<v Speaker 1>acts occurred that the president was involved in a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>to commit a campaign finance violation. Regarding alleged hush payments,

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<v Speaker 1>gerald Nadler created two very different standards for Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>and for Donald Trump over something which is not even

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even know, we don't even know what a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign finance violation is when you have a payment that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been made before you were president, first of all.

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<v Speaker 1>Second of all, over something which really was separate and

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<v Speaker 1>apart from politics. You could certainly make that argument. Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>would argue on the other side, but is it is

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<v Speaker 1>it an in kind contribution for there to be an

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<v Speaker 1>alleged hush payment? Well, Gerald Nadler today says yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>was speaking a different tune twenty years ago, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>he made very solid, mery notorious arguments about the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>of raising something like impeachment, why it's politically perilous, and

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<v Speaker 1>why is it politically perilous because to accuse the president

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<v Speaker 1>of committing high crimes and misdemeanors and then potentially pass

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<v Speaker 1>those papers up to the Senate to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>point of removal is essentially the most radical act that

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<v Speaker 1>the legislative branch could take versus the executive branch. But

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<v Speaker 1>the energy in his party is so strong they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>marching out in the streets if Donald Trump is not impeached, probably,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we get to twenty twenty and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is elected again, and I think if he follows through

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<v Speaker 1>on its agenda, he will be elected again. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a real problem. Gerald Nadler and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats in the House, they really do. And you have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask yourself the question, will they push things too far?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just about what is President Trump's record, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just about who his opposition is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a serious question about what the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>going to do in the House. Is it just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be subpoena after subpoena and essentially try to run

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<v Speaker 1>out the clock on this presidency, create this smoke and

1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>lead people to believe that there's fire there. It's yet

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<v Speaker 1>to be determined. After a quick break, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with my guest, Tammy Bruce, about the horse race,

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<v Speaker 1>about the Trump presidency itself. This is Ben Weegarton in

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<v Speaker 1>for Buck Sexton on the buck Sexton Show. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Welcome back to the buck Sexton Show. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Ben Weingarten in for Buck Sexton. Right on the

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<v Speaker 1>line right now is my guest, Tammy Bruce, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>I've come to admire as a shrewd commentator, delightful personality,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News contributor, President of Independent Women's Voice, a national

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy organization. Tammy joins us. Now let's jump right into

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<v Speaker 1>it now that we turn the calendar forward to twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly the horse race has started already, and there's just

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing confluence of events going on in the world

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<v Speaker 1>right now. On the one hand, you have a US

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<v Speaker 1>economy that in terms of growth, wage growth GDP growth,

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<v Speaker 1>employment rates being at lows not seen since the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Things look great. On the other hand, financial markets had

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<v Speaker 1>a tumultuous twenty eighteen and people are certainly concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 1>On the national security side, you have a Chinese quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote trade war and increasing hostility generally, there you have

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea supposed denuclearization, jumping out of Irando, there's immigration issues,

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<v Speaker 1>cultural issues, and then of course there is the large

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<v Speaker 1>resistance versus the Trump administration. Of all these factors, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you see being the most critical over the next

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<v Speaker 1>two years. Well, the critical thing is the recognition that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is a man alone, if you will, a single

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<v Speaker 1>firefighter with some people who back him up, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>put out the largest house fire that's ever existed, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take some time. I think the most

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<v Speaker 1>critical thing is going to be President Trump remaining vigilant

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<v Speaker 1>and focused on what his mission is. It was clear

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning. I mean, Trump is not a man

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<v Speaker 1>who came from the outside and had no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on with government, So it was obvious, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with who he's known through his life, what he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to face. I think he's a bit of an idealist.

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<v Speaker 1>I think to be a creative person in certain ways

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be. But he also has had enough

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<v Speaker 1>experience to know what he was going to be facing.

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<v Speaker 1>In all of this, I think the American people have

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<v Speaker 1>been a bit more surprised at the depth of the

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<v Speaker 1>revulsion of an outsider coming into the system, and that

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<v Speaker 1>in some ways has been frightening because it indicates that

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<v Speaker 1>the corruption of what's now been termed the deep state,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the system, is perhaps deeper than we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen behavior of the FBI and the dj which

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<v Speaker 1>has been shocking, and I think that part of this

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<v Speaker 1>is because it indicates that there's a lot more that

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<v Speaker 1>the establishment needs to hide than we realized. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other reason why there seems to be so many things

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<v Speaker 1>happening at once is that we finally have someone in

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<v Speaker 1>the White House who is not invested in the system

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<v Speaker 1>moving along as it has been. He's not invested in

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<v Speaker 1>the status quo. So you might look at it as

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<v Speaker 1>being that we had been effectively in a coma in

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<v Speaker 1>a way managed by machines, kept alive through a process,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've had people give nice speeches and like no

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<v Speaker 1>drama Obama, the system moved along in a predictable way.

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<v Speaker 1>But underneath, as we saw at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bush administration, there were things happening that weren't discussed, that

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<v Speaker 1>even they might not have been aware of, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we had a massive financial collapse. Because the system was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be moving smoothly. What's happening with Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>that you've got you've you've we've awoken from that coma,

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<v Speaker 1>and so any activity is going to be unusual and

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<v Speaker 1>yet not necessarily unexpected. It's called life. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>stock market is responding to activity. Trump is a man

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<v Speaker 1>of action, and so things are occurring we're not used

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<v Speaker 1>to because the previous presidents have not acted in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that has engendered a kind of action that of

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<v Speaker 1>course you get reactions too. And I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing, it's a healthy thing. It's necessary as we

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<v Speaker 1>are beginning to get our to get back on our feet,

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<v Speaker 1>we should expect this. And so I think the key

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<v Speaker 1>element is for the president. And I think he knows

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<v Speaker 1>this because he's been running a massive business of course

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<v Speaker 1>most of his life, his adult life, so he knows

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<v Speaker 1>about the back and forth. People in Washington Art don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, and the American people we have two generations

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<v Speaker 1>now who are unfamiliar with it, and I think the

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<v Speaker 1>communication is going to be key and him sticking with

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<v Speaker 1>his priorities. I think the critical point that you make,

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<v Speaker 1>and you make a number of critical points there is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that the president is in some sense a

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<v Speaker 1>party of one. And when people talk about the resistance

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<v Speaker 1>and like you said, the revulsion of our political class,

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually not a partisan issue. It is a bipartisan issue,

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<v Speaker 1>a bipartisan revolt against someone who would threaten the livelihood,

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<v Speaker 1>the prerogatives, the credentials of those who have been, in

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<v Speaker 1>a sense, the ruling class over time. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>make of the sort of irony and all of this

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<v Speaker 1>that it took someone like a Trump to be to

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<v Speaker 1>expose the fact that those in power would be willing

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<v Speaker 1>to act in the most lawless, violating norms, going against

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<v Speaker 1>the institutions sort of fashion of anyone. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>when you look back on the photographs of President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>like with his marriage and the guests being Bill and

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton, everybody knew Donald Trump right he was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the system. There was I think a general understanding

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<v Speaker 1>amongst the rich and powerful, and we do have that

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<v Speaker 1>group of people. I want us all to become rich

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<v Speaker 1>and powerful. Of course, that they that I think either

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<v Speaker 1>a direct understanding or a silent one, that everyone would

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<v Speaker 1>go along and get along, that everyone would be benefiting

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<v Speaker 1>based on a status quo with the American people, though

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<v Speaker 1>becoming the collateral damage, and I think what they did

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<v Speaker 1>not expect. And there's a term politically for people, even

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<v Speaker 1>including like a Fdr Franklin Roosevelt, of men and women

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<v Speaker 1>who are traitors to their class, people who come out

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<v Speaker 1>of a system and turn on that system that perhaps

1:35:58.400 --> 1:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>has rewarded them in the past because something has struck them.

1:36:02.240 --> 1:36:05.680
<v Speaker 1>And Trump fits within that framework. He's a traitor to

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<v Speaker 1>his class. Now his class is, of course the rich,

1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the powerful, and those are the people that also then

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to understand and you know, accept the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of what has been going on. His crime is that

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<v Speaker 1>I think he fell in love with the country at first.

1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>It was perhaps a genuine the effect of what we

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<v Speaker 1>were all experiencing of the government having gone kind of

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<v Speaker 1>haywire the direction that it was going in with Barack Obama.

1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that he felt inherently and had been speaking

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<v Speaker 1>publicly and on Twitter and in other ways for years,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rejecting and questioning and being extremely critical of

1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>what was happening in government. And I think that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a point where whether it's an Alexandria Occassio quartet or

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump who says, well, wait a minute, maybe something

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<v Speaker 1>else can be done and maybe it's maybe it's me,

1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's that decision that spark that then made him

1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:17.040
<v Speaker 1>realize there was something larger than him. As he moved

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<v Speaker 1>into his seventies. Maybe one part of it was boredom

1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted something new to do. But in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be willing to commit to really going against your

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<v Speaker 1>team in a way, which was the establishment, I think

1:37:32.040 --> 1:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it had to be more than that. And then the campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he really fell in love with the country

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<v Speaker 1>and he did get to know it. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>became a changed man in that process and in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what for me, as a person of faith, well,

1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't like organized religion very much. I find it

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<v Speaker 1>not surprising that this nation has brought forth the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>person in our particular history up till now, the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>man and to address what this country is needed. Whether

1:38:04.160 --> 1:38:09.679
<v Speaker 1>it's Washington or a Lincoln or a Reagan and now

1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Trump now all very very different men, but astanding trajectories

1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and at the right place, at the right time, making

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<v Speaker 1>the right decision and at the correct junction when it

1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>comes to what the American people need. Now. Now all

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<v Speaker 1>of them, you know, also faced unique problems and have

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<v Speaker 1>had to be very aggressive in certain ways. But the

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<v Speaker 1>moment for Trump and the irony of what is going

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<v Speaker 1>on as you put as you put it is necessary

1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and perfect because it strangely only Donald Trump could do it.

1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>It would be a man or a woman with enough

1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>money to where it wouldn't matter what, they wouldn't need

1:38:56.040 --> 1:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>their next job, not interested in the approval of a

1:38:59.640 --> 1:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>certain crowd, except the American people, genuinely wanting to make

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<v Speaker 1>a difference separate from what their lives were or could

1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>have been, separate from politics. The difference between Trump, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and and the other men I mentioned, with the exception

1:39:15.479 --> 1:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>perhaps the President General Washington, is the lack of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously Reagan and Lincoln politicians, you know, consummate politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>but clearly the kind of person America creates in a romantic, deliberate,

1:39:35.160 --> 1:39:39.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of creative, almost reckless way of moving into the future.

1:39:40.280 --> 1:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>But this country, but this country system requires that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of of kind of boundless optimism and willingness to face

1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:54.679
<v Speaker 1>the monsters to fix the future. That's what we bring

1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>to the American story, but to the story of really

1:39:59.600 --> 1:40:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the human in condition. And I find this all to

1:40:03.080 --> 1:40:09.639
<v Speaker 1>be very predictable and necessary if the nation was to survive.

1:40:10.240 --> 1:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>And it happened, and it's it's a very exciting time.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you see happening with this democratic field? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this is this a circular firing squad where everyone tries

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the left of everyone else, or is

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<v Speaker 1>there something that maybe we're not anticipating that we should

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at. Well, I would point to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people. The Democrats like to point at Connor Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>who uh you know, positioned himself as you know, a

1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>centrist and all of that, and they said, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of Democrat who can win. The problem

1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>with that race for the Democrats was he faced no

1:40:46.920 --> 1:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>primary competition, so there was no leftist, no progressive to

1:40:53.160 --> 1:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>challenge him and to push him and to have that

1:40:56.160 --> 1:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>fight in public. And when that happens, that's where everything

1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:02.760
<v Speaker 1>go off the rails. This is this is where the

1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Democrats have their problem. Now the Republicans have already faced

1:41:06.800 --> 1:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that that problem, if you will. The benefit though for

1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans is that the fight was between Donald Trump,

1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:18.760
<v Speaker 1>who's a businessman, wildly successful, uh knew what he was doing,

1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:21.479
<v Speaker 1>has had a background of knowing what you know, within

1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:26.839
<v Speaker 1>at least a conservative ideal about finances and personal freedom,

1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:30.439
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Uh, regardless of what you think of him personally,

1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>he had he had a business background that indicated to

1:41:32.840 --> 1:41:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the American people he could handle running the country. The

1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>problem for the Democrats is, uh, it's Alexandrio Occassio Cortez

1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>versus Clare McCaskill. Right, it's people who have ideas that

1:41:46.040 --> 1:41:49.440
<v Speaker 1>are that make no sense, that have been proven unworkable

1:41:50.000 --> 1:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>in historically. Uh, that will destroy elements of the country

1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:59.479
<v Speaker 1>like well, Medicare for all single payer nobody knows, you know,

1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>when Cassio Cortez has asked, how would you pay for

1:42:02.320 --> 1:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>single payers? So, well, you just pay it like you

1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>pay your rent. I mean, this is the problem for

1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats. Uh. And I think that this is what

1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:14.839
<v Speaker 1>they're really going to find. And I'm you know, they're

1:42:14.920 --> 1:42:18.479
<v Speaker 1>already trying to set up and limit the number of debates, uh,

1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and how how public these kinds of arguments will go.

1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:27.760
<v Speaker 1>But that's what's going to be problematic of how far

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<v Speaker 1>to the left certain candidates get pulled in that fight

1:42:31.960 --> 1:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and really, in fact, who might win or who become

1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, who is that shorter lineup of the Democratic

1:42:39.840 --> 1:42:43.439
<v Speaker 1>nominees and whether or not the American people will look

1:42:43.439 --> 1:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and say this does not look good. I've I've equated

1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>this as being like sending the Hindenburg to pick up

1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the passengers of the Titanic. Uh. This is That's what

1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:56.479
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats offer, Like which vehicle are you going to

1:42:56.560 --> 1:42:59.439
<v Speaker 1>want to get on with them? And this is where

1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the president of course, and I believe that they'll be

1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:06.759
<v Speaker 1>able to do this is articulate to the American people

1:43:07.680 --> 1:43:11.519
<v Speaker 1>because the legacy media won't do what has been working, Um,

1:43:11.560 --> 1:43:14.080
<v Speaker 1>what still needs to go, what still needs to work.

1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's unfair that he's been attacked for not

1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>accomplishing everything he promised in two years. I mean, he

1:43:21.160 --> 1:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>is a man alone effectively creating historical change. But for

1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats, um, you know, and I'm still a Democrat,

1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:38.720
<v Speaker 1>registered Democrat in California. Uh, regular grassroots Democrats want you know,

1:43:38.840 --> 1:43:41.879
<v Speaker 1>they want normal governing. They also care about their families,

1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:43.760
<v Speaker 1>they care about you know, they want to make sure

1:43:43.760 --> 1:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>they've got somebody who knows what they're doing, and they

1:43:46.400 --> 1:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>want something new. They don't want Hillary. We know that

1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:54.240
<v Speaker 1>because they don't want what has been and so if

1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.240
<v Speaker 1>if they think they're they're they're going to be offered,

1:43:57.720 --> 1:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, Joe Biden and then see Pelosi's out there.

1:44:01.120 --> 1:44:04.240
<v Speaker 1>All of these young people and others who want something different,

1:44:04.240 --> 1:44:08.439
<v Speaker 1>like the Republicans wanted something different, They're in a lot

1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:13.479
<v Speaker 1>of trouble because nobody's presenting themselves as the unifier that

1:44:13.640 --> 1:44:17.599
<v Speaker 1>can bring all of those individuals together. And it certainly

1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is not. I don't envy them. It's going to be

1:44:22.200 --> 1:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>fascinating to watch. And in the meantime, the president is

1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>still also going to have to deal with never trumpers

1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and individuals who are more committed to the establishments than

1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:34.280
<v Speaker 1>they are to the progress of the country. Temmy, we're

1:44:34.280 --> 1:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to leave it right there. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for joining us in Happy New Year, Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I want to conclude today. You know I

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<v Speaker 1>started in our opening monologue with an emphasis on being

1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>grateful for what we have and want to first start

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<v Speaker 1>by thanking you, dear listener, for spending this day with

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<v Speaker 1>me and talking about and thinking about some vital issues

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<v Speaker 1>for this country. I also want to thank Buck Sexton

1:46:10.400 --> 1:46:13.559
<v Speaker 1>for giving me the opportunity to fill in here on

1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>this New Year's Eve. It's been a pleasure, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>As we go out today, I would leave with a

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<v Speaker 1>couple parting thoughts. One is that this is the greatest

1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>nation ever invented in American not just American history, obviously

1:46:27.040 --> 1:46:30.080
<v Speaker 1>been in world history. It is exceptional. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>exceptional because we have all of this bounty and material wealth,

1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>but because we have the freedom to pursue our happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>This is uncommon. This is an uncommon nation, This is

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<v Speaker 1>an uncommon lot that we have, This is an uncommon

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<v Speaker 1>time period for all the stresses in a day to

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<v Speaker 1>day basis. It's the most comfortable time to ever be

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<v Speaker 1>alive in the history of mankind. And there's no nation

1:46:52.120 --> 1:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>in world history that has ever had this freedom. But

1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:58.240
<v Speaker 1>this freedom can go away overnight, very quickly, and we

1:46:58.320 --> 1:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>see that in places from Venezuela to what Cuba once was.

1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:05.559
<v Speaker 1>We see it throughout the world. There are external foes,

1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>but in reality, the most important thing is for us

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<v Speaker 1>to be strong, for us to understand our values and

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<v Speaker 1>our principles, and to defend those values and principles from

1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:20.679
<v Speaker 1>enemies both external and internal. This has been Weingarten, having

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<v Speaker 1>filled in for buck Sexton today. This is the Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Sexton Show, Happy New Year, Thank you so much,