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Speaker 2: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up

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Speaker 2: straight Fire?

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Speaker 3: Fam h's me Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Wednesday, May

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Speaker 3: twenty fourth. I thought, I really did think that would

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Speaker 3: be clear to sweeps in the conference finals, and it

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Speaker 3: did not happen because Water found its level. The Miami

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Speaker 3: Heat regressed from three, Boston went bonkers from deep. They

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Speaker 3: hit let me check here eighteen to three pointers. My guy,

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Speaker 3: Jason Tatum finally got a fourth quarter bucket. He had

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal game. Tatum finished box score here says thirty three,

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Speaker 3: eleven and seven and oh, by the way, five baskets

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter of the Celtics hanging on for

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Speaker 3: dear life, they get to win in Miami. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people are making jokes about being down three a

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Speaker 3: Rod and Jeter being in Miami for the game. The

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Speaker 3: TNT cameras or TBS, whichever channel it was, I always

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Speaker 3: get those mixed up. They kept showing a Rod and Jeter,

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Speaker 3: and then eventually they showed the Red Sox who came

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Speaker 3: back from down zero three against my Yankees. Yes, born

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Speaker 3: of the Dumb and Dumbers team Jim Carrey just obviously

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Speaker 3: one of the seminal comedians of my youth in Living

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Speaker 3: Color was you know, I've talked about this on the

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Speaker 3: pod a million times for the new audience on video

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Speaker 3: in Living color was a show My brother and I

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Speaker 3: watching in living color. So we would record it on

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Speaker 3: living color Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey then went on to

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Speaker 3: lines in the movie where essentially the attractive redhead I'm

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Speaker 2: And he said, so you're saying there's a chance.

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Speaker 3: And one of my Celtics buddies I don't have many

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Speaker 3: of those, sent me a text with that giff As

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Speaker 3: just as we started to record the podcast here, Jiff

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Speaker 3: giff whatever, and the Celtics.

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Speaker 2: Are not dead.

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Speaker 3: They're not listen, folks. I don't want to be up

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Speaker 3: Miami Heat basher, but I'm being a realist. This ain't

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Speaker 3: a good basketball team. They are on an unbelievable hot streak,

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Speaker 3: knocking out the Bucks, getting the Bucks coach fired. They

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Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, whoa, they can't throw in the ocean.

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Speaker 3: dudes from deep in Game four, Gabe Vincent, who hurt

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Speaker 3: He two of five from deep. He's just not gonna

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Speaker 3: wrote it down here, eighty eight eighty three fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: You're waiting for Boston to collapse again. I think the

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Speaker 3: Miami's done it six times and come back to win.

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Speaker 3: Next thing you know, it is a twelve to zero

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Speaker 3: little despondent at the end. I'm not gonna make too

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Speaker 3: just ended about thirty minutes ago. Kyle Lowry tweaked his

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Speaker 3: And then Vincent tweaked his ankle, ended up running to

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Speaker 3: I saw I saw some people talking about this online,

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Speaker 3: That's a good game, right, Well, he was nine to

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna draw any parallels to the Red Sox

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Speaker 3: the Bill Simmons crowd. And yes, by the way, I

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Speaker 3: did get your text messages about Simmons mentioning me and

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Speaker 3: even got a text message from one of her high

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Speaker 3: school friends like I didn't know Simmons had that kind

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Speaker 3: of clout at any rate. I know Boston Celtics fans

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Speaker 3: are very fired up. They think they got a chance.

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Speaker 3: Let's simmer down. Okay, the Celtics are below five hundred,

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Speaker 3: I believe. I think it's eleven and twelve in the

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Speaker 3: also would like to point out, and I know that's like, Jake,

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Speaker 1: They're not.

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Speaker 2: You can't be the twenty.

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Speaker 3: Seventh rated three point shooting team in the regular season

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could have a tweight great.

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Speaker 3: What is this six games against the Knicks, five games

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that is? You guys know, that's

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Speaker 3: like a month. That's like, oh, they're cooking for the

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Speaker 3: And then regression sets in and we'll see Boston, you know.

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Speaker 3: They hit eighteen threes, eighteen out of forty five forty percent.

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Speaker 3: The stat here courtesy of stat man Rob G. The

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Speaker 3: Boston Celtics are nine to two in the postseason when

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Speaker 3: the first half they weren't totally falling. Second half, it

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Speaker 3: was just a tsunami. So Boston going home Thursday, no hoops. Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: we did record an awesome interview. I'm gonna I'm not

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Speaker 3: They have over three million followers on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'll just leave it at that.

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Speaker 3: So great interview tomorrow, and then we get Thursday, we

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Speaker 3: get Celtics heat, and then it gets interesting because you

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Speaker 3: guys don't I'm taken off on vacation Friday, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know if Rob G's gonna take over the podcast

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Speaker 3: then I might miss if this goes six seven, rob

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the Celtics have a chance.

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Speaker 3: I would say chances are low. This feels like maybe

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Speaker 3: If you remember in the bubble Rob against the Lakers

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Speaker 3: then came the Jimmy Butler game where he was exhausted,

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Speaker 2: That was that.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not ruling out Jimmy Butler on anything. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna take this to heart. He knows he's gonna look

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Speaker 2: Could get interesting.

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 3: I'll still say the heat have him, but at the

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Speaker 3: confidence level has gone way way down for Miami.

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Speaker 1: Look, I still think that Miami is gonna win this series.

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Speaker 1: I mean, history says that if you're three to zero

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Speaker 1: I thin, it's a hundred and forty nine and zero

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Speaker 1: They also find ways to trick away games better than

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Speaker 1: They're just a good, gritty team, you know, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco goes from being a two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: to ozho eleven touchdowns, zero picks, one of the great

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Speaker 1: postseason runs we've seen in the NFL. And that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what's happened to this Miami Heat offense. They were a

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Speaker 1: reason why there's only been two teams in the NBA's

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Speaker 1: history that ranked last ten points per game like this

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Speaker 1: Miami eight team and made the finals nineteen sixty four

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Speaker 1: and nineteen fifty six. I don't even know if you

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Speaker 2: Oh, those are like, well what eight teams in the

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Speaker 2: league right ninety You.

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Speaker 1: Know, I don't even know if you throw that one

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Speaker 1: streak and their three point shooting is Joe Flacco esque.

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Speaker 1: They're just in a zone right now that doesn't make

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Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm looking at the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: So you're spot on because they and they were nine

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Speaker 3: Nuggets in seven. I know that's probably a little more

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Speaker 3: But I went Denver seven. We'll save it for official

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be closer to Denver and five.

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Speaker 3: My problem is I picked the Knicks, picked the Celtics,

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Speaker 3: I know you're a huge Lakers guy, and I know

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Speaker 3: the Lakers have been extinguished. However, the Lakers are going

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Speaker 3: speculation our guest we had what two weeks ago, Yovann

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Speaker 2: Trey Young.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I thought had a pretty good showing in that

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Speaker 3: I'm some Lakers homer, but the graphic says, who says,

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Speaker 3: no Lakers get Trey Young.

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Speaker 2: The Atlanta Hawks receive and.

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Speaker 3: Rob, I need you know, I need you to not

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Speaker 3: blurt out laughter when you hear it. Okay, The Hawks

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Speaker 3: received D'Angelo Russell and as sign and trade Malik Beasley Mobomba.

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Speaker 3: The Lakers set number seventeen pick in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Joe Smith.

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Speaker 1: We won him.

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Speaker 2: Lakers would draft Joe Smith and then the Lakers twenty

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Speaker 3: that's essentially four firsts and Malik Beasley for Trey Young.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious as to your thoughts. Again, this is not

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Speaker 1: As you know, I am not a huge Tray Young fan,

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Speaker 1: what the heck are you smoking? My guy, there is

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Speaker 1: no way I'm giving up a franchise point guard for

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Speaker 1: Malik Beasley who may or may not be in the

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Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Actually, actually twenty twenty nine is a sixth grader because

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Speaker 2: In two nine.

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Speaker 3: All right, so what I'm trying not to lie?

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Speaker 2: What if you throw into Vanderbilt?

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Speaker 1: No, of course not.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm partially partially.

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Speaker 1: Joking, aside from Trey Young rolling up to Landry Field's

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Speaker 1: if you don't trade me to the Los Angeles Lakers,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna slash up all your couches so that you

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I know everyone's cracking up now obviously. However,

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Speaker 3: when I put this on social media, like every Hawks

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Speaker 2: They wrote in sure, we'll do this.

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Speaker 3: You throw an Ad, We'll add John Collins, And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: why are the Lakers giving away Ad? So they're going

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Speaker 2: Like that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: So I guess there's a Tray Young package would be

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what's funny is that's probably even

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving trade because any you know, I guess maybe

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Speaker 1: you're banking on Kyrie notpping sensicle, but who the heck

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Speaker 3: Have to do.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers can't get him for max forty seven million

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not gonna happen. It's just tough.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is I know, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna point out as laughable as the Trey

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Speaker 1: Let's be real.

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Speaker 3: These DeAndre Ayton trades to the Mavericks sound ridiculously stupid.

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Speaker 3: This idea that DeAndre Ayton is gonna is gonna work

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul and Devin Booker and Kevin Durant are washing

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Speaker 2: You think Luka Doncis is gonna take him on, that's insanity.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't see who would want Aiden. The only

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Speaker 1: I've already forgotten the Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so they're not bringing out Aiden, but it's like, like,

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to hear this.

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Speaker 3: You know, in the NFL, there's this lovely theory that

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Speaker 3: enough and dog gone it. I can get this done.

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Speaker 3: He just hasn't worked with me. You know, there's that

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Speaker 2: Along with him, didn't call him in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: Like folks, this idea that DeAndre Aiden's gonna be easy

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Speaker 3: Trey Young not going anywhere, Kyrie Irving not going anywhere,

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Ayton tough to trade.

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Speaker 2: Rob. I'm gonna hit you with what I thought was

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Speaker 2: the craziest news. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 3: According to Adrian Wodjenerowski late on hell, what is today Tuesday?

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Speaker 1: That would have been on Tuesday nightsday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: So according to Adrian Wojenerowski, as I call it off

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Speaker 3: Sun's coaching job.

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Speaker 2: Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: Hit me?

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Speaker 3: Nick Nurse understandable. I think he probably gets it.

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Speaker 2: King's associate head coach Jordi Fernandez. I don't know who

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Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 1: Number one offenses association.

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 1: They got the number one offense in the league. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they want that?

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Speaker 3: that's right. And then Son's associate head coach Kevin Young,

436
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 3: who's highly thought of, apparently. And then the final guy

437
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 3: is someone named Doc Rivers. She does nothing but lose.

438
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 2: Elimination games, choke Away three to one leads, Gag three

439
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: two leads, and if memory serves.

440
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 3: Doc Rivers spent some time in LA with the Lob

441
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Speaker 3: City group with Chris Paul.

442
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 2: How'd that workout? Rob?

443
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't living out here at the time in La,

444
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: so I didn't have a front row seat for Doc

445
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 3: Rivers and Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.

446
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 2: I know Blake Griffin ended up hating Chris Paul. How

447
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 2: did it go with Doc Rivers and Chris Paul? How

448
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 2: about had that workout?

449
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,479
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, Chris Paul also hates Doc Rivers. Jason.

450
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it failed spectacularly to put him mildly.

451
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, So now Doc Rivers is a finalist for Phoenix.

452
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: Is this like it almost feels like this is like

453
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: a charity mention of Doc Rivers took like because he

454
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 3: wants to get back in coaching. He's embarrassed to get

455
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: a run out of town by James Harden or as

456
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 3: you call him, Rob Jim Harden because he didn't show

457
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: up in Game six and seven.

458
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: As usual, Doc.

459
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 3: Rivers has won a lot of games in the NBA.

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00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: He's won a title in Boston. He was a really

461
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: scrappy point guard with the Atlanta Hawks back in the day. Yeah,

462
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: I remember Dominique Wilkins, Tree, Rollins, Cliff Livingston, I.

463
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: Know my Hawks back in the day. Doc Rivers a

464
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: good NBA player.

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00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: This idea that he's getting the Phoenix Sun's job is

466
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: I mean, completely perplexing the idea he's a finalist. Now, Listen,

467
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 3: Doc has seen the highs in the NBA. The guys

468
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 3: won a title.

469
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: He coached. Where where did he coach before this? Rob

470
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: six Ers? Why am I spacing Clippers? Yeah? He coached

471
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 2: the Clippers. Obviously, said you nobody had another good job.

472
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: The Boston Celtics boss.

473
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was another good one.

474
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: No, they got fired from g Oh it was the

475
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: Clippers in the bubble. Yes, that's right, the Clippers.

476
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 2: In the bubble. That's the other one.

477
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: I was thinking of three to one lead over Denver

478
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Speaker 3: and Doc Rivers. Just I mean, I know, I know

479
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: we could say, well, Doctor Lujah Kawhi playoff p Remember

480
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 3: Paul George throwing shots off the side.

481
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: Of the pandemic p Wayda's p Yeah, that's.

482
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: When that came out, pandemic p okay. I didn't know

483
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: that was a thing.

484
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: This idea that the Sons would hire him, You gotta

485
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 3: be kidding me now. Nick Nurse is interesting because I

486
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: don't want Toronto to hate me all over again, given

487
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: the Chicago and San Antonio stuff I've said about recently.

488
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: But Nick Nurse won one of.

489
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Speaker 3: The more questionable titles, shall we say, in recent years. Yes,

490
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: Kawhi hit that prayer to beat the Sixers. Yes they

491
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: got to the finals. They did not face Kevin Durant

492
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: except for eleven minutes. Klay Thompson goes down in Game

493
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: six when Steph Curry looked like he was gonna maybe

494
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: be able to force Game seven, or did he go

495
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 3: down in Game five? Bottom line, Klay Thompson got hurt.

496
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant barely played in the series, and we're talking

497
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: about a raptor scene that won the title and then

498
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: hasn't done Jack squat since Kawhi did leave. But Pascal

499
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 3: Siakam has regress. Fred van Vilvliet's looking like he's on

500
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: his way out. By the way, Robb g aside Fred

501
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: van Vliet to the Lakers, I bet you, I guarantee,

502
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm with that he would take less.

503
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: I think he's a clutch you he would take left.

504
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a clutch guy.

505
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: Clutch clutch guy, clutch play. If memory serves, I think

506
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: he was the second best player.

507
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 3: On the Raptors when Kawhi won the title because his

508
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: defense on Curry was tremendous. So he's basically like a

509
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: Dennis Shreuter defensively. And oh, by the way, he can score.

510
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's just flog that right there. Fred van

511
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: Vliet possibly Lakers at any rate. I didn't see what

512
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: Nurse did. Otherwise. Now as a tactician, he's supposedly very good.

513
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 3: I know, not everybody could win a title. He does

514
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: have the championship. He coached up a lot of guys

515
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: like Pascal Siako turned into an All NBA player With him,

516
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: Fred VanVleet turned into a very very good player.

517
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna make a lot of money. I don't know

518
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: if he's the answer.

519
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: It's clear that Bodenholder is not a kind of guy

520
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: they want. This is the Phoenix Suns, man, I could

521
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 3: see that team regressing badly, badly if they don't make

522
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: some major moves. Good luck with Ayton. We'll see what

523
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: happens with Chris Paul. But I'm stunned that Doc Rivers

524
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: is a finalist.

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00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: Rob Yeah, me too. I mean, if I have these numbers,

526
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. Doc Rivers has lost ten times

527
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: in game seven, five more than any other coach. He's

528
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: lost five straight game seven since twenty fifteen. He's never

529
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: won a road game seven. His teams have blown seven

530
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: to three to two series leads, and as of a

531
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: week and a half ago, he has now lost thirty

532
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: three series Clinchy's games as the head coach, the most

533
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: in NBA history. Like it's one thing for Doc Rivers

534
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: to get rehired in the NBA, Like, I get it.

535
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a if you're in the club,

536
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: you're in the club. You can get jobs all the time.

537
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I understand that. But for Doc Rivers to go from

538
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics, who in my opinion, they wildly underperformed

539
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: with that talent, to only have one championship is crazy

540
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: to me, the Big Three Celtics only having one ring

541
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: is wild. They then get the Lob City Clippers gig

542
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: who at that time. I don't people make fun of

543
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: them now, but at that time they were probably what

544
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: a top five most talented team in the NBA, Like

545
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: you know at one point if.

546
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: People forget weren't they ahead of the world.

547
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: That was That was the team that the Warriors couldn't

548
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: get lost to, right, the Warriors could not get by them.

549
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 3: And then when they finally did, it was like they

550
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: went to warp. They were right to the title.

551
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Then it was Curtains and so he goes from that

552
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: team that that blows up. He gets the Kawhi Paul

553
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: George team the three. They blow the three to one lead.

554
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: Not only does he get the plumb job in Philly

555
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: with Joel Embiid, he gets it like two days after

556
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: getting fired, Like it was just like, oh, Doc Riversville,

557
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: we got to get him. And now he gets fired again.

558
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: And now about a week and he's in line to

559
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: get a job with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. Like

560
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: there's there's failing upward and then there's failing to the moon,

561
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what Doc Rivers continues to do.

562
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like the Michael Malone strategy is impressive.

563
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: I looked at he was an assistant in the NBA

564
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: for thirteen years, got the King's job, did not last

565
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: very long, then got the Nuggets job and has been awesome.

566
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: He has been tremendous and he's now the favorite obviously

567
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: to win the title. So Rob, but were missing any

568
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: any other players we can get to the Lakers? We

569
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: got Trey Young, Kyrie. I really like this Lakers talk,

570
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: Fred van Vliet. We will workshop some more the same way.

571
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: Rob Workshop January. Joe Flacco as the heat. By the way,

572
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: do you want to quickly guess I just got the

573
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: alert on my phone what the line is for game

574
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: for Game five on Thursday?

575
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: You want to guess?

576
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: Don't look in Boston. They're coming off an emotional win.

577
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: By the way, Boston was just old on. The Celtics

578
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: were just an underdogging game for first time in the playoffs.

579
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: And I think I read that underdogs have won every

580
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: game in this series. So that's probably not good for Boston.

581
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: But I'm going to guess Boston minus six and a half.

582
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh, that's close. So Boston seven and a half.

583
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Ah okay, Well.

584
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: Listen, I've been saying all week that I think the

585
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: the Miami Heat broke, like statistical models, they have ruined

586
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: all this, like all this analytics net rating, Like what

587
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: does that mean when the Heat are on the verge

588
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: they have a negative net rating and they're on the

589
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 3: verge of going to the finals, Like that's not supposed

590
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: to happen. None of this makes any sense. Celtics big

591
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: favorites Vegas. They've been taking a bath in this series.

592
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: Maybe Boston bounces back. All right, We'll be back tomorrow

593
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: with that big interview. Keep it locked.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you then,