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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Living the dream once again here on a fully loaded

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday. This is Fox Sports Saturday once again here

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Speaker 2: in our Fox Sports Radio studios. And it is an

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Speaker 2: honor for me to jump in today and be reunited

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Speaker 2: with my fellow UCLA brewing. It was twenty years twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago, if you can believe it, that this man

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Speaker 2: was the mop of the Western Regional Final to get

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Speaker 2: UCLA into their first Final four in eleven year span.

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Speaker 2: The great Ryan Hollins reunited me. Ryan, How are you today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, brother. How have you been man?

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Speaker 2: I have been busy. I have been very, very busy,

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Speaker 2: and it is great to talk to you again. You know, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: it's it literally seems like yesterday that in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and six, your senior UCLA third year for Ben Holland,

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Speaker 2: he had turned the program around and you know, had

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Speaker 2: an incredible run to beat Gonzaga and Adam Morrison getting

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Speaker 2: into now the Elite eight and there you are playing

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Speaker 2: the game of your life and propelling UCLA to that

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Speaker 2: Final four. You know, this is the week where we

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Speaker 2: get the teams from the opening rounds into the Sweet

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Speaker 2: six team. The goal for everybody is to make it

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Speaker 2: to the final four. Ryan, when you realized, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: your dream when you came to UCLA a couple of

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Speaker 2: rough years to start your career, you and the other

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Speaker 2: big guy, Michael Face splitting time and everything else, but

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Speaker 2: not only getting UCLA to the Final four, but being

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Speaker 2: named MOP of that West Region when you look back,

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Speaker 2: I know it's hard to believe twenty years, but when

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Speaker 2: you look back at the emotions of just every single

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Speaker 2: college basketball player's dream is to get to the Final four?

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Speaker 2: What was that like for you?

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Speaker 4: For me, Man, I get emotional thinking about it, but

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Speaker 4: it was humbling and at that time, I think the

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Speaker 4: biggest thing, Matt and you followed my career from a freshman.

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Speaker 4: I became a man on that trip and I cut

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Speaker 4: everything out.

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Speaker 3: I had laser sharp focus.

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Speaker 4: Literally when I say literally, the only thing I cared

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Speaker 3: And you know what's funny.

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Speaker 4: I thought about this the other day too and shout

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Speaker 4: out to all the college seniors and those with their

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Speaker 4: last go around. There's something special about March madness because

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Speaker 4: you are figuratively fighting for your lives, not literally just

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Speaker 4: in your basketball since in your lives and for me,

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Speaker 4: March madness not in my rook, Like it literally dictated

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Speaker 4: where my life was going to go. And when you're

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Speaker 4: under pressure, either pressure either breaks pipes or creates diamonds.

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Speaker 4: And I became a diamond during that tournament. But you

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Speaker 4: know it's funny, man. Even to this day, Matt, I

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Speaker 4: have not looked back and completely appreciated the experience because

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Speaker 4: it was that I almost want to say, like it

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Speaker 4: was that business that that much locked in and I

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Speaker 4: had to go straight from there to pursue an NBA career.

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Speaker 4: And you'll like this, there's a trend the there's a

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Speaker 4: throwback site I forget throwback hoops or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Forgive me if I butchered it.

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Speaker 4: And they're they're playing recaps of all the college national championship,

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Speaker 4: the starting lineups, and you kind of see like, where

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Speaker 4: coming out and you're showing that, and it showed me

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Speaker 4: just kind of like a full circle moment. That's my

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Speaker 4: You said twenty years. I can't believe it, Matt from

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Speaker 4: the days when you were you were there and doing

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Speaker 2: Well, right, I'll tell you what. It was amazing for

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Speaker 2: take the court for the championship game against Florida, and

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Speaker 2: as sports editor of the Daily Bruin in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: at the Old Market Square Arena. Larry Brown had become

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Speaker 2: It was so primitive in those days of the Final Four.

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Speaker 2: I'm like court side for this final four. Ucla led

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Speaker 2: by Kiki Vandway four of our top seven players or

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Speaker 2: because it was UCLA pulled the upset against number one

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Speaker 2: interview him. Clark Kellogg was a freshman on that Ohio

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Speaker 2: thing We're had the final four. And it was crazy

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Speaker 2: because after that Final four, which UCLA ultimately lost. There

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Speaker 2: by the way, the only two championship game losses ever

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Speaker 2: where your year in six and that nineteen eighty year

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Speaker 2: ULA losing to Louisville. But I said in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: was there in ninety five. Sonny Vacara got me dead

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Speaker 2: in six, I was there in seven, I was there

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Speaker 2: in eight. Unfortunately I missed twenty eleven because it was

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing was sort of a bizarre thing

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Speaker 2: when mc cronin was able to get UCLA from the

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Speaker 2: first four to the final four. But I got it.

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Speaker 2: I have a trivia question for you should know the

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Speaker 2: get the three consecutive final fours six seven oh eight.

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Speaker 2: No school's done it since there's only one player that

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Speaker 2: One player started every single game in six, seven and eight.

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Speaker 3: Who wasn't only one? I would say, Luke.

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Speaker 2: It was Luke, Luke, Res Schard, and bab Moute. He

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Speaker 2: sixteen tournament games for UCLA and a three year span.

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Speaker 2: He started every single one of those games. So yeah, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like I said, twenty years goes

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Speaker 2: They're playing for, you know, those memories and look, you

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Speaker 2: talked to college I've talked to football players as this

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Speaker 2: and getting excited like he's literally a student, Like he's

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Speaker 2: so excited watching these games. There is something about your

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Speaker 2: collegiate career. And this is why it feels so bad

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Speaker 2: for some of these kids, the one and dons that

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Speaker 2: don't really get the full college experience, because when you're

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Speaker 2: a part of the NCAA basketball tournament, and I know

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Speaker 2: that you had NBA playoff games and everything else, but

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Speaker 2: there is nothing that I've talked to everyone over these

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Speaker 2: years that compares to the experience as a basketball player

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Speaker 2: of participating in the NCAA basketball Tournament.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there is. I mean, I'm thinking in

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Speaker 4: all of sports, and the reason being Steve. We just

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Speaker 4: talked about it like you are. Your backs are against

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Speaker 4: the wall. This has put every game is your last

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Speaker 4: for darn ere a month and you can't, like Steve,

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Speaker 4: you can't like eat, sleep or breathe because you know

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Speaker 4: you are one loss away. And in the run to

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Speaker 4: the tournament, I did so much studying, so many questions asked.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Steve the reason I went to UCLA.

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Speaker 4: And I tell these guys this every time I see

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Speaker 4: them at nauseum. If I see him and Steve tell

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Speaker 4: me if you're wrong. I see Kareem, I thank them.

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Speaker 4: I said, you're the reason I came. I see Tis Edney,

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Speaker 4: I thank them. I said, you're the reason I came.

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Speaker 4: That's with it. In ninety five, that's where I fell

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Speaker 4: in love with bat basketball. And in that run I

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Speaker 4: think about tires and we can see we can do

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Speaker 4: this all air Mighty and the shot that he hit.

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Speaker 4: If you don't hit that shot, I might not love Ucla.

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Speaker 4: I might not go. And I think about our game

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Speaker 4: against Gonzaga, the backs against the wall down seventeen and

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Speaker 4: a half and like you know, sometimes you play against

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Speaker 4: a team much like that at any shot, and the

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Speaker 4: indie shot is the greatest shot in probably all of

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Speaker 4: college sports in my opinion. There's it is iconic. There's

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Speaker 4: nothing that even can can take a hint to that.

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Speaker 4: And there's been some great shots, but that play, it

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Speaker 4: just it changes lives and you're gonna go against a

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Speaker 4: that run, we knew that some teams when you went

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Speaker 4: And Ben knew this as our coach, and we knew

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Speaker 4: and it was like play harder, and that was the answer.

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Speaker 4: Play harder wasn't the answer. In that game. They didn't

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Speaker 4: give up anything. And if those that were watching Steve

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Speaker 4: and you remember this quite well, it was over.

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Speaker 3: Like you had people walking out. It was over.

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Speaker 4: But those moments to make a run and to shift

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Speaker 4: your lives at everything that you essentially have to deal with, Man,

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Speaker 4: I'm telling they're unparalleled. And these are parts of Steve,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, why march madness is untouched. Backs against

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Speaker 4: the wall, no one can save you no excuses, go

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Speaker 4: find a way. I'm gonna see what you're made of.

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Speaker 2: We saw it the other day. How about that Kentucky

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Speaker 2: Santa Clara game, hunt all.

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Speaker 5: Fact, I mean that is March madness, right, you know,

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Speaker 5: you tie the game, go down three pointers seemingly over,

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Speaker 5: and then the matching three pointer to send it to overtime.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is that is March madness in the capsule.

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Speaker 2: All right, Right, we got a lot to do today.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna catch everybody up on everything that's going on.

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Speaker 2: We'll get a update on the brackets. See how your

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Speaker 2: brackets are doing out there. The one seed Michigan taking

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Speaker 2: care of business right now, pulling away again, and Saint

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Speaker 2: We got Louisville, Michigan State coming up. We got eight

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Speaker 2: schools gonna punch their ticket into the Sweet sixteen today.

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Speaker 2: Once again in our Fox Sports Radio studios. It is

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Speaker 2: a final. Michigan has moved on into the Sweet sixteen

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Speaker 2: with a dominating second half, davating Saint Louis ninety five

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Speaker 2: My other final four teams are Houston and Arkansas. And

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna roll with Arkansas this year. So let

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Speaker 2: me let's go through the mindset of Ryan Hawks. A.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you actually fell out of bracket? B?

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Speaker 2: Do you do multiple brackets? If you do brackets? And

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Speaker 4: This year, I don't have a bracket, but I have

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Speaker 4: you know, Steve, you'll like this. Kall is gangster. He's

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Speaker 3: I hope that answered some of the things that you said.

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Speaker 2: Well, the legendary story about Boogie Cousins was he didn't

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Speaker 2: It's like what it is? It is amazing. You know

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Speaker 7: It proves a lack of toughness on your part today, Hartman,

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Speaker 7: Two hours of national radio and it's not good enough

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Speaker 7: for him. Ryan, you know what I'm You know what

435
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Speaker 7: I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Oh, oh, sorry, Ryan, I forgot Eh. Hey, Hollinge, I

438
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 7: could out coach Danny Hurley with half my brain tied

439
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 7: behind my back, Isn't that right?

440
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Speaker 3: Oh? Wow?

441
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Speaker 7: I'm just I'm just saying, if you know, you know, guys.

442
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Speaker 7: Round two of the NCAA Tournament is underway in Michigan.

443
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Speaker 7: Has become the first of the Sweet sixteen with a

444
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Speaker 7: ninety five seventy two win over Saint Louis. Wolverine shot

445
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Speaker 7: fifty six percent from the field, eleven of twenty three

446
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Speaker 7: from three point range.

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Speaker 1: Eh.

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Speaker 7: What about on the boards, Lowen Connery coach, They were

449
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 7: plus fifteen on the boards. Eh, that's what I'm talking

450
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Speaker 7: about anyway. Yaxel Lindeborg had twenty five points on nine

451
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Speaker 7: of thirteen shooting a die maras sixteen points, five rebounds,

452
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Speaker 7: five assists, and four blocks. Michigan will face either Alabama

453
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Speaker 7: or Texas Tech in the Sweet sixteen at two forty

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Speaker 7: five Eastern, some thirteen minutes and three seconds from now.

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Speaker 7: To be exact that it'll be number three seed Michigan

456
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Speaker 7: State against sixth seed Louisville. The NBA today has been busy.

457
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Speaker 7: They find Philadelphia seventy six ers center Andre Drummond twenty

458
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Speaker 7: five thousand dollars for making an objectionable gesture in Thursday's

459
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Speaker 7: win at Sacramento. The NBA also find Orlando guard Jalen

460
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Speaker 7: Suggs twenty five thousand dollars for throwing his mouthpiece towards

461
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Speaker 7: the stands in Thursday's loss at Charlotte. Back to Ryan

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Speaker 7: Ann you, Steve, thank.

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Speaker 2: You very much, Isaac long cry and I'll share later

464
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Speaker 2: another memory with Isaac. We'll do that later. By the way,

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Speaker 2: catch the podcast, just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you

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Speaker 2: just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you getch podcasts, you

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Speaker 2: can find today's full show posted right after we get

472
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Speaker 2: off the air. So, Ryan, the one and Done obviously

473
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Speaker 2: has changed a lot of things in college basketball over

474
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Speaker 2: the years. You remember Bobby Kremen's way back in his

475
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Speaker 2: day with Georgia Tech, and he had Stephan Marbury as

476
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: a one and done. This is when one and done

477
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Speaker 2: there were like two and dons, Like Magic Johnson was

478
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: a two and done, Isaiah Thomas was a two and done,

479
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Speaker 2: but no one really did one and dones. And so

480
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: he has Marbury, great player, and they get to the

481
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: sweet sixteen and he leaves after one year and Georgia

482
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: Tech went right into the toilet. And I remember a

483
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Speaker 2: couple of years later, I'm interviewing Bobby Kremens, Stilled the

484
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Speaker 2: coach at that time. I'm at Georgia Tech. They had

485
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: missed the tournament, and I asked him it wasn't worth it.

486
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: He goes, no, it was the biggest mistake I ever

487
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: made as a coach, was bringing in you know, I

488
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: was enticed we needed to make a deep run. We

489
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: got that deep run that one year, but having a

490
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: one and done just completely derailed the program, and a

491
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Speaker 2: couple of years later, Georgia Tech let him go. So

492
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: you know, the dynamic now is on the college football

493
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: side as well. Now it's a little bit different because

494
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, you still have to be three years out

495
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: of high school to be eligible for the NFL draft.

496
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Speaker 2: But when Sonny McCarroll, my dear friend who I've known

497
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Speaker 2: since the early nineties, you know, with the EDO banning case,

498
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, challenge the idea of name, image and likeness,

499
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Speaker 2: and now here we are. Ryan. I mean, think about

500
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: the deals you could have made in college. How much

501
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: money you could have made in college. It's unbelievable, right,

502
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: and the idea of you know, you play four years

503
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Speaker 2: at UCLA, but you know, under the new circumstances, you

504
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: could literally play on four different schools in four years

505
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal and make millions along the way.

506
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you, I know, there's like no

507
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Speaker 2: way to put the genie back in the bottle, but

508
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Speaker 2: there's got to be a way to modify the system

509
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Speaker 2: or police the system that will make it a better

510
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 2: system to at least, you know, because you can't flip

511
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: your roster every single year and roll the dice that

512
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Speaker 2: you're going to get the right combination of players. So

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Speaker 2: how do we fix this so that there's a little

514
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Speaker 2: more continuity from the coaches aspect? And you say, why

515
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Speaker 2: we were the coaches? They're being compensated millions. Yeah, but

516
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: these guys are competitors, man, they want to put together

517
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Speaker 2: a winning team. Is there any way to change this

518
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Speaker 2: or are those days gone forever?

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Speaker 4: I love that you brought this up, and I have

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Speaker 4: a few things I want to throw your way as

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Speaker 4: you bring up kind of fixing.

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Speaker 3: Nil.

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Speaker 4: Now, for one, let's establish this is where I firmly stand,

524
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Speaker 4: and I'm really in on this. This is not the

525
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: athletes to fix all this transfer stuff, everything that's going on.

526
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Speaker 4: This is not on the athletes. The mindset is that

527
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Speaker 4: the athletes are ruining college. No college has ruined college.

528
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: The athletes are taking a stand for themselves. So let's

529
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Speaker 4: not go and say let's cap the money, let's take

530
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Speaker 4: the money away from these guys, let's do all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I do not believe in that. That is absolute nonsense. No,

532
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Speaker 4: one's gonna look at the coaches and say we're gonna

533
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Speaker 4: cap the money the coaches make. No one's gonna look

534
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Speaker 4: at the universities and say you're gonna cap the money

535
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Speaker 4: that the universities make. It should be an absolute revenue split,

536
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Speaker 4: because if we saw the numbers on what the universities made,

537
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Speaker 4: you'd be sick, you'd be blown away. But I will

538
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Speaker 4: throw some ideas your way. Okay, and again I stand

539
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Speaker 4: at this is.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready for ideas.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

542
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Speaker 2: I want to hear something here.

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Speaker 3: What if I brought you in and these are professionals now,

544
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: and I signed you to a two or three year deal?

545
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Speaker 2: Yes, right?

546
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Speaker 4: What if I said, you know, two years, ten million,

547
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Speaker 4: three years, whatever million? Or let's say you know if

548
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Speaker 4: you transferred right, Let's say a team. Let's say you

549
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: go from Northeast State to North Carolina. Right, you're because

550
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: the biggest problem is a lot of your best players

551
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Speaker 4: are leaving.

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Speaker 3: Correct. So what if I said, hey, if you're you're.

553
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Speaker 4: Going from Northeast State, Middle Tennessee, wherever, nowhere to North Carolina.

554
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: They pay a buyout clause, they pay a transfer fee.

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Speaker 4: That may slow things down, because now if I have

556
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Speaker 4: to pay a transfer fee. And if I'm a coach

557
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Speaker 4: right at Northeast State whatever you call it, right, and

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: you just took my best player, right or my best

559
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: player chose to transfer, it might slow you down North

560
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Speaker 4: Carolina if you know you have to pay this fee

561
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: and now I get money back into my program. I'm

562
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: so what compensated because I took the time to develop

563
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: this kid and get him where he needed to go.

564
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: And again, I think the biggest thing is that there's

565
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: more than enough money scrolling around.

566
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Speaker 3: Let's not challenge that.

567
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: And while they're talking about fixing the kids money again,

568
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: take a look at all the money that the universities

569
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: are actually making, look at the actual TV deals and

570
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Speaker 4: in all sense, Steve, in my opinion, you tell me

571
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Speaker 4: if I'm wrong. I think it's been an amazing thing

572
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 4: because college was a dying sport. College basketball was something

573
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: nobody wanted to see. Why because a lot of these

574
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: guys you just talked about it earlier, they don't play pro,

575
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: they don't go pro. And the college basketball that we

576
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Speaker 4: knew that you spoke of, like, look, man, there's Magic

577
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: Johnson there, and there's Kareem there and Michael Jordan.

578
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Speaker 3: You know, spend a year at Carolina like.

579
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Speaker 2: Hae you and played four years, and Georgetown Tim Duncan

580
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: played four years at Wake four.

581
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Speaker 4: These athletes rebelled and they said, Steve, they said, We're

582
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: not going because I can get more money overseas or

583
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: somewhere else. So if you want to cap the money,

584
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Speaker 4: I would tread lightly because we have the excitement of seeing.

585
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 4: You know, we saw Zion Williamson in college. We saw

586
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: Cooper Flag in college. Konka Nipple playing with them at Duke.

587
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 4: You saw, and you see all these guys at what

588
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: the top eight picks or top ten picks of a

589
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: generational draft are essentially in college.

590
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: Like that's ridiculous.

591
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: So now we had something to go and watch aj

592
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Speaker 4: Debonsa Peterson OVERCA like these guys are the next star.

593
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: So now I can watch and forgive me if I'm wrong, right, right, Steve,

594
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying it right. I can watch your career. You know,

595
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: you saw Ryan Hollins's career at UCLA. You saw Ryan

596
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: Hollins's career in the NBA. It was it was someone

597
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: Steve that you got a chance to follow because you go, man,

598
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Speaker 4: I remember him, you say, I remember him? Here so

599
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: we have something that we can hold on too.

600
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Speaker 2: You know, there was a lot of controversy this year

601
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: with Darren Peterson at Kansas. So this is a kid

602
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: that a lot of people had projected before this season

603
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: to be the number one overall big pick in the

604
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: upcoming NBA draft, and then he took games off and

605
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: there was some question is he hurt? Is are we

606
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: actually seeing load management? And Kansas paid a huge dollar

607
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: to bring him to the University Kansas. He's making a

608
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: lot of money this show. I don't know what the

609
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: exact number is, but it's seven figures for sure. And

610
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: this kid just takes games off. Now he's playing now.

611
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: He had twenty eight points in their game yesterday against

612
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: Cal Baptist's first NCAA tournament game. But this is another

613
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: big part of not just coaching players that potentially could

614
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: be one and dons or two and dons, but now

615
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: you're coaching players that are being paid. And I don't know, Ryan,

616
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: just you know, take yourself back as as a nineteen

617
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one year old, how different would that have

618
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: been for you? Do you think in terms of being coached,

619
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Speaker 2: in terms of just your general attitude of playing college basketball.

620
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: Had you been paid at that age, how different do

621
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: you think it would have been.

622
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Speaker 4: I mean, I may I definitely wouldn't have the maturity,

623
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: But what I have deserved it absolutely when they're selling

624
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: jerseys and when the team went on a final for

625
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: a run, and that's where like, like I really get

626
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: irked because a lot of people are like, what are

627
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: they going to do with their money? Like what would

628
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: you have done with your money? Like it's yours and

629
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: my challenge too. And I don't know if this is

630
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: answering your question here or kind of what we spoke

631
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: about earlier, but like, here's this deal, and this is

632
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: what I want people to understand. College basketball is their workplace, right,

633
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: And I would be darned Steve. And we've all been

634
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 4: in this situation before. If another company recruited you to

635
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: essentially make more money, yes, you're not gonna sit around.

636
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: You're gonna go make more money, right, And if you

637
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 4: knew there was something that could potentially impair your chance

638
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: to work at your next workplace, you.

639
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Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't do it.

640
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: You probably wouldn't do it if something got in the

641
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: way of your compensation or your ability to take care

642
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 4: of yourself.

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00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: You probably wouldn't do it.

644
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Speaker 2: You know what's gonna happen down the road, Ryan.

645
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: Of course if it finds penalty.

646
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: No, the drafts are going away. Drafts are so illegal.

647
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: You understand that, right, I mean the idea. I mean,

648
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: is there any other business out there other than sports

649
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: or somebody's drafted. Imagine Okay, you've been drafted by and

650
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to just someplace you don't want to

651
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: go in your whatever your business.

652
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Speaker 3: Can I throw something else out to you?

653
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

654
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Speaker 4: This is one of my mindsets because I think American

655
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: sports is starting to catch up with the world. The

656
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: world has caught up with America. Now America is figuring

657
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: from the feeder system how to catch up. And I

658
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: want to know how you feel about this. You asked

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: me earlier about to fix my mentality, and I'll shoot

660
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: this to you. I have shot it to not from

661
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: the collegiate ranks, but from the NBA ranks. I won't

662
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: say who I talk to, but I talked to some

663
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: pretty good, big people. And I think the challenge is

664
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Speaker 4: not from an NBA standpoint. The challenge goes to an

665
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: NCAA standpoint in my mindset, because it happens all the time.

666
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: Imagine if you got a chance, Let's say you add

667
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Speaker 4: another round of the draft, right and instead of these

668
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 4: kids just being done or undrafted or or you draft them,

669
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: I can go and stash you in college. So let's

670
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Speaker 4: say your property of the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and

671
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: then guess what, I send you back to school at

672
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 4: UCLA and I get to cross remote between both platforms.

673
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: Nil gets involved. Maybe the team you know, pays part

674
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 4: of the salary. Whatever we think here, But now you're

675
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: excited because, hey, this guy's is because it happens overseas.

676
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: These guys go back to their respective clubs and they

677
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: get to do what they get to play. They get

678
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: to play, and they get to develop and they nurture,

679
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: and it happens all the time.

680
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to stop you right there. Okay, we're

681
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: gonna take a very quick time out. I want to

682
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: stop you there because there's another path I want to go.

683
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: We're also getting ready for the tip off between Michigan

684
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: State and Louisville. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

685
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

686
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports radio

687
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: dot com. And within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to

688
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: listen live.

689
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Steve Hartman, Ryan Hollins here Fox Sports Saturday, All right,

690
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: tip off Michigan State and Louisville. By the way, Pat Kelsey,

691
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: you talk about one of the best coaching jobs in America.

692
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: In the two years prior to him taking over under

693
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: Kenny Payne, they were four and twenty eight and eight

694
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: and twenty four. Last year his first year, they win

695
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: twenty seven games, got in the tournament. This year they

696
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: win in the first round, they move on to the

697
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: second round. So you talk about flipping a program around. Wow,

698
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey doing the job. Of course he's up against

699
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: the master tom Izzo to nothing lead early. All right.

700
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: So I just want to pick up where we're leaving

701
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: off there, Ryan, because you know, we have stories about

702
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: guys trying to return to college now, you know, like

703
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: I went into the MDA, didn't work out, and now

704
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: that they're paying people in the collegiate level, I still

705
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: have eligibility left, or do I? I mean, where are

706
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Speaker 2: we going with this?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm here for it. It's competitive, it's the workplace.

708
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: It's no longer in amateur environment. I have also heard

709
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 4: rumblings and people have thrown it away of having a

710
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 4: remember back in the day they were teams and maybe

711
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: even compensation. Overseas, they've been far ahead. Guess what if

712
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 4: you see Real Madrid, they have ABC team like they

713
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: have a feeder system. Okay, these are things that you're

714
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: going to have to implement. The reason why being Steve,

715
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: I have a fourteen year old kid. Right when I

716
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: was fourteen and I turned seventeen, I came to UCLA early.

717
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: Guess what when I went to school, everybody was essentially

718
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: my age. Now there were some guys who were older.

719
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Speaker 4: Shout out to BYU and those programs and how they

720
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Speaker 4: do stuff. Some programs are older, a lot of programs

721
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 4: are young. You're lettlegit legitimately a young kid. The reason

722
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Speaker 4: I bring that up is because because of the money,

723
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Speaker 4: by the time my son is college ready, there will

724
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Speaker 4: be unless if he is a Grade A prospect, there's

725
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Speaker 4: gonna be nowhere for him to play. Steve, everyone's gonna

726
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: be so old that he's gonna have to go JUCO

727
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: or Hey, if it's it's between he taking the seventeen

728
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 4: or eighteen year old kid, I'm going to take the

729
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 4: twenty one or nineteen year old? Am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: No, You're not wrong. Look, one of my favorite collegiate

731
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: basketball careers ended probably not the way this guy had hope,

732
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: and that was Baker Mazara. I mean, so he played

733
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Speaker 2: at Duquane, he played at San Diego State, he played

734
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Speaker 2: at Northwest Florida State, he played at Auburn. He was

735
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: in the final four last year with Auburn, and then

736
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: he came back as a twenty six year old to

737
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: play at USC. So I mean the idea that you

738
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Speaker 2: can make a career out of playing college basketball.

739
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: And again, if you're if you take care of your money,

741
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: you have built a pretty nice nest egg, right have

742
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: you not? I mean you've sort of put to money,

743
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: don't wait. I mean to really start the rest of

744
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: your life, even if you don't continue on here. So

745
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: I don't see how they can stop anybody from doing that.

746
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: I if I go professional, the college basketball, college sports

747
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: is professional. Now. You got guys that want to stay

748
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: in school because they're not projected to go in the

749
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: NBA and make money. If I can make money by

750
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: continuing my college basketball career or my college football career,

751
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay in college. Yep, that's just business sense.

752
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 4: And every workplace is competitive, and shame on you for

753
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: trying to limit these guys from making money.

754
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Speaker 3: It's a competitive workspace.

755
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: Well, it's a control game. It's what they're trying to do.

756
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: I get it. I mean, the NCAA NC is just

757
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: absolutely unraveled. They have no control over anything anymore. They

758
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: have them for football for years and now they're losing

759
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: their grips on the college basketball circuit. We got more

760
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: on the March Madness and a lot of happenings around

761
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: the NBA. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

763
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 2: Rolling along once again here on a fulled March Madness Saturday.

764
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Speaker 2: We're in the Fox Sports Radio studios. By the way,

765
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: we have the ladies playing as well right now, Ryan

766
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: and R. UCLA Bruins came into the Ladies bracket with

767
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: a twenty five game winning suit. Corey Close has done

768
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: an unbelievable job last year. This bothered me, so they said,

769
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: last year UCLA got to their first Final Four, and

770
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, technically no. So when you go into

771
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: poly Pavilion, the home of UCLA basketball, you see the

772
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: banners right eleven banners. By the way, they don't have

773
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: banners for final fours. They don't have banners for runner up.

774
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: You know, I think they have a banner that sort

775
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: of shows the nineteen final four teams they got in there,

776
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: including the one you led to a championship game back in.

777
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 8: Six There actually is me I guess I just heard

778
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 8: knew it must it is new, apparently because I heard

779
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 8: mc cronin referencing it, because he was talking about just

780
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 8: the eleven banners.

781
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: Actually there's twelve banners. Because the UCLA women won the

782
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: national championship in the pre NCAA tournament days the first

783
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: ever final four in women's basketball. And I hope my

784
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: dear friend am Myers Drysdale's listening right now was in

785
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight. It was at Paully Pavilion. It was

786
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: then called the AIAW and UCLA led by Hall of

787
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: famers am Myers Drysdale and Denise Curry. She was a

788
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: scoring machine. Billy Moore, the Hall of Fame coach. She

789
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: was part of that they won the national championship. That

790
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: banner probably hangs at UCLA nineteen seventy eight, but now

791
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: ucl has a chance I mean when your school is

792
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: like as good as our women are right now. I

793
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: mean they've lost one game very early in the year.

794
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean they're just dominating. I mean, Keky Rice, Lauren Betts.

795
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, are you watching your a little more of

796
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: the ladies game? Have you always been a fan of

797
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: the ladies game? Are you watching a little bit more,

798
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: especially with our UCLA Bruins very much in the mix.

799
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: I've always kind of kept an eye on the ladies,

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00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, of late, maybe more so than the men.

801
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: I am a huge fan of coach Corey Close.

802
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 4: I've actually she's brought me in and kind of speak

803
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: to the girls and do a couple events. Man, she

804
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: is all UCLA, all Bruins, all everything, and nothing is

805
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: surprising me from the success that she's having. So shout

806
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: out to the lady Bruins. She is doing it and

807
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 4: she has been well.

808
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: She and she made some reference talking about their opening

809
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: game against cal Baptist too on the men's side, by

810
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: the way, play pretty they got close to the edit

811
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: at Kansas game yesterday and getting blown out and they

812
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: made a game. But Ucla, I want to see this

813
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: cal Baptist lady and she brought up Coach wood In

814
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: and any of us that had the great opportunity to

815
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: spend any time a Coach Wooden. I always said this

816
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: about Coach win. Everything you've ever heard about him was

817
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: the reality was ten times that. First of all, he

818
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: had an incredible sense of humor. Ryan and I know

819
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: you had some interaction with Coach Wooden over the years.

820
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: We all were lucky enough to do that. He actually

821
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: did this one time. You love this. I think it

822
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: was his ninety fifth birthday and we had him We're

823
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: doing a radio interview, and we also had on Sven Nator,

824
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: who had a great NBA career, but he was the

825
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: backup to Bill Walton for a couple of years, never

826
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: started a game in college because of Bill, and then

827
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: went on to both the ABA and then the NBA

828
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: with great success. So they're in two different locations and

829
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm on the air with Michael Thompson and Victor Briock

830
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: Jacobs and we're you know, coach was sharp as attack

831
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: as he was all the way to the end ninety

832
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: five and sven Nator goes, you know, I never was

833
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: able to start a game at UCLA, and I said,

834
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: you know, coach, I mean you're winning all the games

835
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: by thirty points. I mean, would there have been any

836
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: harm to actually start Svan at least like one game

837
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 2: when he was at UCLA and coach win without missing

838
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: a beat. He goes, well, actually, I didn't really like

839
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: you that much, Vann, I swear I fell out of

840
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: my sit.

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: He had.

842
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: He had such a dry sense of humor. He was

843
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: hilarious anyway. Coach Close was making reference talking about something

844
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: that Coach wind The way coach wouldn't coach UCLA teams

845
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: was this. It was all about practice. They didn't prepare

846
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: for opponents. That's not that's that wasn't his deal. What

847
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: he prepared his team to do was to execute their

848
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: game at the highest level. It didn't matter who they

849
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: were playing. If we execute the game plan as we

850
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: are practicing every day, that's how That's how he worked.

851
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: He wasn't worried about left, Well, how we're going to

852
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: tackle this opponent. Doesn't matter what are the opponent. If

853
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: we play at our best level, execute the game properly.

854
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: If we play the right game, it doesn't matter who

855
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: we play. And that's how Coach Winden, with his great

856
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: UCLA teams prepare and apparently Corey Close she said the

857
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: same thing. As they prepare, they're not overlooking a sixteen seed.

858
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: What she said is we practice to be a better team.

859
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: I mean, they won the Big Ten Tournament championship game

860
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: out fifty points and she goes, yeah, and the crazy

861
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: thing is we could get better. So I love this

862
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: mentality that she has. I mean, there's there's something to

863
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 2: be said about you just playing the game as best

864
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: you can and the results will take care of themselves

865
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: as long as you play the game right. That was

866
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: the philosophy of coach Windin.

867
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 3: Now I take that. What a great assault though. We

868
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 3: dive in and the reason being.

869
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: Actually played for Larry brown In and Larry did that

870
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: to us like in the preseason and he's like, I'm

871
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: worried about us.

872
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 3: We're not even gonna watch scouting report.

873
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: And I had no idea what the other team was

874
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: gonna run in the game.

875
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: Shout out to coach brown by the way, But.

876
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 4: You know when you have Kareem and Walton and you

877
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: know you you know, the double teams.

878
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: But they only won five of the ten champions they okay,

879
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't won ten championships. Three with Kareem, two of Walton,

880
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: five without them. Just remember that everyone's just like wow,

881
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: I yeh, Kareem and Walton. That's five championships. If you

882
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: eliminate them, he still won five championships.

883
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: UCLA was loaded.

884
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 4: I just I take it with a great AsSalt not

885
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 4: to coach. I love coach, but you know, there's there's

886
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: a little bit. There's a little bit. It is about you.

887
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 4: Make no mistake. It is about you. That is absolutely certain,

888
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: there's no question. But you know you need the other

889
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: team scouting report. You got to know the plays that

890
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: are going to be run.

891
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: You can't do that.

892
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: Coach Brown, there the premium.

893
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Can you imagine can you imagine me as sports out

894
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: of the daily broom? We hired the Denver Nuggets coach

895
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: to be the coach at UCLA is nineteen seventy nine.

896
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Coach Brown, I think was thirty nine years old, and

897
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: I walked into his office to introduce myself, you know,

898
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: as sports editor of the paper, and he was putting

899
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 2: up these old sports illustrated covers of the John Wooden Bruins,

900
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, winning national championships. And he goes, I don't

901
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: know why people are taking these down. I mean, I

902
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: the reason I came to UCLA and gave up the

903
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: NBA in that moment, because this is UCLA basketball. And man,

904
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: oh man, when we that team got to the Final four,

905
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was a miracle run. And

906
00:48:53,560 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: I remember flying to Indianapolis with Coach brown And and

907
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: all these people were come out of saying hey, coach great, great,

908
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: And he was looking at me like, where were these

909
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: people earlier this year, Steve, when we were struggling. I said, coach,

910
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: welcome to UCLA. That's how it works. You win, they

911
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: love you. If you don't win, you're out of town. Unfortunately,

912
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: his run only lasted two years at UCLA. I always

913
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: wonder had coached And I had these conversations with Coach

914
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: Browns for many years after this. Anytime I would run

915
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 2: into him, and he said, of all the jobs, because

916
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: he had so many jobs. You know. He did go

917
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: back to Kansas. He won a national championship with Danny Manning,

918
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: obviously the only guy ever to win both a national

919
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: championship and an NBA championship. But I asked him, I said,

920
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: what would have happened had you stayed at UCLA? He

921
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: goes It's the only job I ever regretted leaving. The

922
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: circumstances weren't right, and his wife at the time, she

923
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: wasn't happy with what UCLA was paying him, and he

924
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: went back to the NBA originally with the nets and

925
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 2: everything else. But I mean, it's like what if what

926
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: if Larry Brown had stayed at UCLA all those years?

927
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: Wow?

928
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: And it's a huge one. F I mean, I imagine

929
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: a dynasty. Oh, I wouldn't have had the chance to play.

930
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 4: He's still I made the most money in my life

931
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen after playing for Larry Brown. Larry

932
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 4: was coach respect me. When I respectfully, when this coach

933
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: is a maniac, and and he knows it, he'll tell

934
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: you I'm crazy. He told me he was crazy. And

935
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 4: after one game he told me he's a young son.

936
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: You're just as crazy as I am.

937
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: What's wrong with you?

938
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: We were, yeah, you like this one we were we

939
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 4: were playing the Pistons where they were really good. We're

940
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: like down thirty and I think like third, third or

941
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. It was just he was bad, Steve and

942
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: he and he threw us in, me and the young guys,

943
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 4: and I was just this was a young, fired up, energetic,

944
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 4: Ryan Hollins, and we come all the way back and

945
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: we cut the game to like like under ten points.

946
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 4: It's like we come roaring back, you know, me out

947
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: of Morrisony guys. And we're in the huddle and now

948
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: Larry's fired out. The fans are into it, and Larry

949
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 4: grabs me by the arm and I'm I'm listened, Steve,

950
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm jacked up, okay, And Larry grabs me by the

951
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: arm and I shake Larry's.

952
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: Arm on He goes, my son, what is wrong with you? Since? Sorry, coach,

953
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: he said, don't you do that again?

954
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: But I grabbed you. But it was It was a

955
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 4: fun one. And Larry gave me three rules. He said,

956
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: you block every shot, you go after every offensive rebound,

957
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: and you run the floor every single time. And he said,

958
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 4: he said, Ryan, he said, I'm a psychopath. He said,

959
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: I have a weird gift that I can see and

960
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: remember everything what everybody's doing on the floor. So if

961
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: you don't do it one time, I'm gonna call you out.

962
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: And the time I didn't do it, the one out

963
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: of however many, he knew exactly that I didn't do

964
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: what he was asking of me and I took those

965
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: same skills. He traded me to the Dallas and I

966
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: did exactly what I told them, and I made a

967
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: lot of money.

968
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: I love this dynamic. You know, the Naysmith Basketball Hall

969
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: of Fame, there are almost as many coaches as players

970
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. Let me think about that.

971
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: Like ga in the you know, the Baseball Hall of Fame,

972
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: there's maybe twenty twenty five managers. You know, the Pro

973
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Fame, about the same number of coaches.

974
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: There are almost as many coaches in the Naismith Basketball

975
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame as our players. And just teams, especially

976
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: at the collegiate level, they just adopt their coaches. Person

977
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: It just I love the whole dynamic. All right. Now,

978
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: what is this? This was your this is your fifth

979
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: year right with the Rockets broadcasting.

980
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: You are a man of the people.

981
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I know these things. This is what

982
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: I do. I've been following this all right.

983
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: So on the other side, only one, Steve, You're the

984
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: only one who knows this is year five for me,

985
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 4: by the way, You know that.

986
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: Right, I know that. But that's that's sort of the

987
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: story of my life. I know things that know other

988
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: people just don't know or care to know. Okay. But

989
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: on the other side, right I want to get into

990
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: a little dynamic because the Rockets had a matchup recently

991
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: home game against the Lakers, which the Lakers won on

992
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: the road. Lakers are on a roll right now. I

993
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: want to see where you're going with the dynamic. First all,

994
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: I want to find out about the Durant situation in Houston,

995
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: but also where Luca, the Lakers, and yes, Lebron are

996
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: going next. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

997
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

998
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,920
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999
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,160
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1000
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,239
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1001
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: Harvin and Hollins here Fox Sports Saturday. Michigan State leading

1002
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: Louisville right now twenty seven twenty three. We got four

1003
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: and a half minutes to go in the first half

1004
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: of that game earlier today, Michigan took care of business.

1005
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: They moved on to the Sweet sixteen with a ninety

1006
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: five to seventy two win over Saint Louis. Six more

1007
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: games after this, Ryan TCU and Duke A and m

1008
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: versus Houston, Texas, Gonzaga VCU Illinois, Vanderbilt, Nebraska high Point

1009
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: coming up. They're big upset in the first round, highest

1010
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: seed Romania, twelve seed taking on coach cal and the

1011
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Arkansas Razorbacks. All Right, as I mentioned earlier, Ryan Now

1012
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: in his fifth season as part of the broadcast team

1013
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: for the Houston Rockets, I have a couple of questions.

1014
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: All right. First of all, how is the Kevin Durant

1015
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: situation working in Houston? In your opinion? You see every

1016
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: game obviously, so is it working the way the Rockets

1017
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: had hoped when they acquired Kevin Durant.

1018
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 4: No, it's not. But because there's no Fred van Vliet

1019
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with Kevin Durant and Steven Adams.

1020
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 4: Those guys are the glue. Unfortunately, you know, the group

1021
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: had to give up Dylan Brooks. He was the defensive anchor.

1022
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 4: He was the emotional leader of the group. But everybody's

1023
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 4: up in arms, and I understand it. Here's the frustration

1024
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: that you see. You see an unbelievable, talented group led

1025
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 4: by Kevin Durant, who is breaking every record imaginable, and

1026
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: tonight against the Miami Heat has a chance and very

1027
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: likely going to pass Michael Jordan on the l time

1028
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: scoring list, our prinching goon. You can put right behind

1029
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: Nicola Yielkicch for his basketball creativity and his skill set.

1030
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 4: And you see a team that is up and down

1031
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 4: because people commonly forget and I don't know how they

1032
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 4: literally don't realize how important Fred van Vliet is, how

1033
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 4: important Steven Adams is to this scenario. So you can't

1034
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 4: properly evaluate what you see. But with whatever's out there,

1035
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 4: the way that Kevin Durant gets his numbers, the way

1036
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 4: he can turn it on like nobody in the sense

1037
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: that we've ever seen, I mean, he's unbelievable.

1038
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's slow down on Kevin Durant. So

1039
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant wrote the Steph Kurr think about Steph Curry

1040
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: back in the day, right, They're coming off of seventy

1041
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: three win season, he has back to back MVP awards,

1042
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: and he essentially concedes to Kevin Durant, knowing that Kevin Durant,

1043
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: to be his most effective, needs to be that guy.

1044
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: And they went back to back championships and Durant's the

1045
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: finals MVP. Ever since then, ever since he left Golden State,

1046
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: all these teams have this idea, a building around Kevin

1047
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: Durant being a great player, and he obviously is. That

1048
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: doesn't make you a great leader of a championship team.

1049
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: Look.

1050
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 2: I even said this to Kobe Bryant back in the day.

1051
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: I said it to his face. I said, Kobe, you

1052
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: are an individual in a team sport. And he didn't

1053
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: look at me cross eye.

1054
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1055
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: You know, when he would say I've won a fifth championship,

1056
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: I go. Championships are not an individual honor. That's a

1057
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: team honor. You didn't win five championships, you were part

1058
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: of five championship teams. You and Derek Fisher are part

1059
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: of five championship teams together. Winning championships is not an

1060
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: individual accolade. It's a team accolade. Now, you can win

1061
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: MVP Awards, you can be All League and be All Star.

1062
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: These are individual honors, you know, winning, you know, scoring, champion,

1063
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: all that kind of that's individual. And when you talk

1064
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: about championships, that's a team accolade. And so I look

1065
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: at Kevin Durant and that's what I'm curious about in

1066
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: his role with the Rockets. Has he is he one

1067
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: of those guys because you can't designate somebody as a leader.

1068
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: By definition, a leader is someone who inspires others to follow.

1069
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: You can't say, well he's the leader. That's not the

1070
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: way it works. A leader is someone that inspires to follow.

1071
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: So as I say that is Kevin Durant a leader.

1072
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 3: He is, He absolutely is. But he's a different type

1073
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: of leader.

1074
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: Like I said, you know, Fred van Vliet is the

1075
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 4: leader of this group, and when you play, there's different

1076
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: type of leaders. Like you have the leader of the

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 4: group that he speaks. Everybody follows the heartbeat, right. You

1078
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: got to be expected as a leader to show up

1079
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 4: every game. You have a leader, by example, someone who

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00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: comes out and scores a lot of points. That preparation

1081
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 4: is there. You gotta watch how they work. You have

1082
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 4: emotional leaders. Dylan Brooks is an emotional leader. Draymond Green

1083
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: is an emotional leader. When I played for the Clippers,

1084
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: we had CP three and Blake, but you could argue

1085
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: Matt Barnes was our emotional leader of that group. Kevin

1086
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: is the leader by example. I'm going to put in

1087
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Speaker 4: the work. I'm gonna prepare and I would say in

1088
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 4: those who watch Houston a lot, this is by far

1089
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: his best leadership broke in my opinion, as far as

1090
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 4: embracing the young guys, bringing them in Reed Shepherd Jabari

1091
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 4: Smith Junior, and taking those guys and saying, hey, i'm

1092
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: gonna get you the basketball. I'm gonna show you how

1093
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 4: to work, you get a bucket, I'm gonna high five you.

1094
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna encourage you.

1095
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 4: He has done all those things, and then so he

1096
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: has shocked me with how far he's embraced to a

1097
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: Jabartismit Junior. Every time he shoots, he's like, come on, Jabari,

1098
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 4: we're shooting. You don't have to do that. He's Kevin Durant.

1099
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 4: He could like and he could value his shooting time

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00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 4: and his space is very sacred, and he's brought those

1101
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: guys into his space. Now he's not the leader, and

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00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 4: I don't think he would contest the type of leader

1103
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 4: that Fred van Vliet is who says, hey, you need points,

1104
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 4: I'll give you point.

1105
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: You need assist, I'll give you assist.

1106
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: You spoke about Curry who can score, but took a

1107
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: back seat and said I'll be a spacer and assist guy.

1108
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run the offense because we're gonna be our

1109
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 4: best with Kevin Durant scoring, not with me scoring. That

1110
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: was huge for Steph Curry to essentially do so. No,

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant is not the type of leader that we

1112
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: speak of, but he's by far playing his best leadership

1113
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: role that I've ever seen from him.

1114
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 3: And there's literally no question behind that.

1115
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: All Right, Luka Doncich is on a roll. Put up

1116
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: sixty against the heat. He's averaging forty points plus over

1117
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: this a game winning streak for the Lakers. Again, phenomenal

1118
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: individual talent. Do you believe Luka Doncic is a leader

1119
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: that you can build a championship team around? Because the

1120
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 2: Guggenheim group, believing what's going to happen to Lakers, they're

1121
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: going to clean house. Okay after this year, Now that

1122
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: they've taken control of this organization, that's no more the

1123
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: mom and pop operation of the bus family. Those days

1124
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: are gone. They run it as a business, and I

1125
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: know the constraints of the salary cap are different than

1126
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: what they have with the Dodgers in Major League Baseball,

1127
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: but they'll figure it out. The question to me is,

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Speaker 2: as great talent is Luca is is he a leader?

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01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: Is he a guy that can bring players together navigate

1130
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: through the best of the NBA and emerge as an

1131
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: NBA champion.

1132
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: I think Luca can.

1133
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 4: But you are going to have to fit around Luca

1134
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 4: rather than Luca fitting around you.

1135
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: I think at this stage in his career, he is

1136
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: what he is.

1137
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 4: You're not gonna change Luka Doncic to be a different

1138
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 4: type of player. You're not gonna turn them into a

1139
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: defender overnight. So you're gonna have to put defenders around him.

1140
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Magic Johnson by the way, needed Michael Cooper.

1141
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 4: Yes, and he as great as he is, he holds

1142
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 4: the ball a lot, right, So what do you have

1143
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: to do. You gotta get guys that are comfortable playing

1144
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 4: without the ball in their hands, and you're gonna get

1145
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 4: the most out of Luca.

1146
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 3: So yes, but.

1147
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: You're going to have to fit around Luca rather than

1148
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 4: having Luca fit around you. The respect on Lebron James

1149
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 4: Journey in what he's done is not gonna be there

1150
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: because he could say guys and go win guys that

1151
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 4: maybe seemingly you could say, you can't win with this guy.

1152
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 4: He's not the greatest player, but Lebron can put you

1153
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 4: in a role and he can turn it on and

1154
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: off in his prime, not so much now, and say

1155
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: you need points, I'm gonna give you points. You need assist,

1156
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you assist. I'm gonna give you the

1157
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 4: points in the assist, I'm going to tear your defense apart.

1158
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 4: He's unique in that sense. Kobe Bryant did it with

1159
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 4: the different type of leadership. It was toughness. It was

1160
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: like Paul Gasol, I'm gonna make you tough as nails

1161
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 4: because I'm tough as nails, and we're gonna win because

1162
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring the dog out of you. And the

1163
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 4: question is never of your talent, is your competitive nature

1164
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna put you in these scenarios and breathe

1165
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 4: life into you.

1166
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: So absolutely different type of leadership.

1167
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 4: But I believe with Luca you get what you get

1168
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 4: with him at this point, which is great, which is

1169
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 4: absolutely great.

1170
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: No one can question that.

1171
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 4: But I believe you gotta fit around him because it's

1172
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 4: going to be very hard for him to change.

1173
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: I think he's very challenging. Again, phenomenal talent. Love him

1174
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: and by the way, it's his team. Think about if

1175
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: you're a Lebron James, this is the first year that

1176
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: you've ever played basketball in your entire life, Well, you're

1177
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: not the man. Yeah, in his entire life, Lebron James

1178
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: has never played on a team where he wasn't the man.

1179
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: And yes, he was the man with d Wade and

1180
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 2: Chris Bosh and he was the man with Kyrie. Yes,

1181
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: he was the man and has been his entire basketball life.

1182
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: On the other side, I want to find out your

1183
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: thoughts about the future of Lebron, but first let's find

1184
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: out what it's trending right now. Are a quick story?

1185
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: Long story short? So Ryan, when we whoa Ryan.

1186
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 7: Steve Hartman, the long story is never short.

1187
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the abbreviated version. So we go.

1188
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 7: There is no abbreviated version with anything you say, so.

1189
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: Now when you're interrupting me, obviously. So two thousand and six,

1190
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: we go to Indianapolis for the Final four. Spent most

1191
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: of our time at chaishef No.

1192
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 7: No, you got that part right.

1193
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: I know. We were having some late dinners there. It

1194
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: was phenomenal. Anyway, we shared a room. I chose to

1195
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: share a room because our third man, Victor Brick. I

1196
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: was like, I have a choice. I'm either going to

1197
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: share it with Vic or you know, I figure, what's

1198
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: the harm. I got this twenty something kid, and he'll

1199
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: sleep like a baby. And as I go to bed,

1200
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: it's like one o'clock in the morning, he's like, why

1201
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: from Indianapolis. I'm like, what the hell are you doing?

1202
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: He goes, I gotta do updates all night long.

1203
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 5: You have to do updates from our room in the

1204
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 5: middle of the night.

1205
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 3: My man, I want you.

1206
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: To do updates. He's to this day, I still have

1207
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: no idea what was happening. He was doing updates at

1208
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. Because we're on East Coast time,

1209
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: it's late. You never fully explain that to me. Did

1210
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: you ever question that assignment or were you just so

1211
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: young and naive you assumed that's the way it's going

1212
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 2: to be, even at the expense of my sleep.

1213
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 7: It was the latter. But that happened. Let literally happened

1214
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 7: twenty years ago. Hartman, give it up, move on.

1215
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: That is sleep I will never get back.

1216
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 7: Oh my ever, you're complaining about that, but you look

1217
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 7: younger than I do.

1218
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: It just that might be a good plight.

1219
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 7: Well, you're right, Well, as long as we're picking each

1220
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 7: other's scabs here.

1221
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 2: I would Steve.

1222
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 7: I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize

1223
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 7: for nearly killing you during our last time out. This

1224
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 7: is a true story, So Ryan, we have these very

1225
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 7: high chairs in the studio. So Hartman and I were

1226
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 7: tossing the football back and forth during our last time out,

1227
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 7: and I accidentally threw a rare inaccurate pass. It was

1228
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 7: a little too high, and Hartman, in reaching back for

1229
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 7: the ball, nearly reached backwards. It almost fell off the

1230
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 7: chair to his debt.

1231
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: But I held I held on and clutched it to

1232
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: my chests. I wasn't going to drop that one. But

1233
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: by the way, I.

1234
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 7: Wasn't apologizing to Steve for nearly killing him. I was

1235
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 7: apologizing to everyone else for not completing stop yourself, Stop

1236
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 7: all right. Round two of the NCAA Tournament, final seconds

1237
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 7: of the first half, three seed Michigan State holding a

1238
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 7: thirty six to thirty one lead over six seed Louisville.

1239
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 7: They are down to sixty seconds remaining in the first half. Earlier,

1240
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 7: Michigan became the first of the Sweet sixteen with a

1241
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 7: ninety five seventy two victory over nine seed Saint Louis

1242
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 7: the Wolverine shot fifty six percent from the field, eleven

1243
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 7: out of twenty three from three point range. They had

1244
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 7: a fifteen rebound advantage on the boards. Yaxel Lindeborg twenty

1245
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 7: five points, nine of thirteen from the field. A die

1246
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 7: Mara excellent all around performance sixteen points, five rebounds, five assists,

1247
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 7: four blocks. So Michigan will play either Alabama or Texas

1248
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 7: Tech in the Sweet sixteen. Finally, Stephen Ryan, we also

1249
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 7: have a final score in from the first round of

1250
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 7: the women's NCAA Tournament. Today, one seed South Carolina has

1251
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 7: defeated sixteen seed Southern one to oh three to thirty four.

1252
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: Okay, see this is gonna and UCLA col Baptist today

1253
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: is can have a simplers.

1254
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 7: In the third quarter of that game, South Carolina outscored

1255
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 7: Southern thirty two to two.

1256
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: Back to you, Okay. Yeah. When they talk about there's

1257
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: more parody in the women's game than ever before, that's

1258
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: not true. There's no disrespect to the elite women that

1259
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: play the game. But no, no, no, no. You can

1260
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 2: have an nc tournament game where a team wins by

1261
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: seventy Okay, that's.

1262
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: The women's game. Yeah, that's part of women's basketball.

1263
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: I know it is. By the way, the with the

1264
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, you can stream us wherever you happen to be.

1265
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,920
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1266
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,080
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1267
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,080
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1268
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,000
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1269
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio is one of your presets in the

1270
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: iHeart app, so it'll always pop up at the top

1271
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 2: of your screen. Lebron James. Lebron James is going to

1272
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 2: be an ex Laker after this year, and I can't

1273
01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: imagine Lebron James retiring without a farewell tour. I just

1274
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: can't imagine it. I mean, you know, so many of

1275
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: the NBA legends have had farewell tours. Korean had a

1276
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: farewell tour, Kobe everyone has a farewell tour. Lebron wants

1277
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: a farewell tour. But there's only one logical place for

1278
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 2: him to have a farewell tour if it's not the Lakers,

1279
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 2: and that's Cleveland. If you were the Cleveland Cavaliers, would

1280
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: you sign on Lebron James for next season and partake

1281
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: in a farewell tour with Lebron James. But would you

1282
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: do that if you're the Cleveland Cavaliers. By the way,

1283
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: that's an organization that he voluntarily left twice, so you know, like, well,

1284
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: the the Calves don't owe him anything. Yes, he did

1285
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 2: win a championship, they're one championship. He came back to Cleveland,

1286
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: but he left again. But if you were the Cleveland Cavaliers,

1287
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: would you sign Lebron to a one year deal to

1288
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: allow him to essentially have a farewell tour in a

1289
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 2: caval uniform?

1290
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's no question. But I would be absolutely

1291
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 4: shocked if he's not a Laker next season. I would

1292
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 4: be in beyond shock. And yes, it would be a

1293
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: privilege for him to do that in Cleveland, I think.

1294
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're a Laker, do you think the Guggenheim

1295
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: group will allow him to get center stage on all

1296
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: these trips to do a farewell tour? Would you're okay?

1297
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: Question? Absolutely, no question, Make no mistake. Lebron James is

1298
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 3: still box office.

1299
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: Do you think Lucas okay with that?

1300
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, he might not have a choice. Now

1301
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: here's the thing with.

1302
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: The hope he has a choice, because when Lucas signed

1303
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: that extension of the Lakers, I can guarantee you Ryan

1304
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: for him to sign that deal with the Lakers, it

1305
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: had to be perfectly clear to everybody, this is my team. Now,

1306
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: you know we can use Lebron. He still obviously can

1307
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: play the game at a very high level, but he's

1308
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 2: going to have to play around me if all of

1309
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're allowing Lebron to return for another year

1310
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: where he gets to have an opportunity to bask in

1311
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: the spotlight when your main focus is to win a championship.

1312
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, when Kobe was doing his farewell tour, the

1313
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: Lakers won seventeen games that year. They were literally one

1314
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: of the worst teams in the league. There was nothing

1315
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: else going for them at that point. That's not the

1316
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: case with the Lakers right now. This is Lucas team.

1317
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: To me, if I were the Lakers first, you don't

1318
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: owe Lebron anything period and I would just let him walk.

1319
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: And if he can get a deal with Cleveland, more

1320
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: power to him.

1321
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 4: So let me be clear, I don't think that Lebron James,

1322
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: for one, is ready to retire for two if and

1323
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 4: when that day comes, when he's still.

1324
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: Playing at a really high level.

1325
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,919
Speaker 4: By the way, I don't Cleveland will be open arms

1326
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 4: to do it and to do it with him. Okay,

1327
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 4: I firmly belie believe that.

1328
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 3: Now.

1329
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 4: Where there's a lot of truth to what you're saying

1330
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 4: is Lebron has had enrich And forgive me when I

1331
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: say this, he's hat complete power as he should, Hey,

1332
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 4: free agency, Hey coaches, I want to bring on Hey

1333
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 4: access as he should. He's arguably the greatest player to

1334
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 4: ever play the game. But that ship is sailed as

1335
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 4: absolutely Lucas team. They played through him down the stretch.

1336
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 4: The ball in his is in his hands to make

1337
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 4: choices as like any other sport or profession, it's been

1338
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 4: a little rocky for Lebron to come to grips with Hey,

1339
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm not the same person that that is real and.

1340
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 3: But he's still really, really good. Now, what you're.

1341
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: Gonna have to see from Lebron, James and Steve don't

1342
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 4: cringe when I say this for possibly the next five years,

1343
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 4: is he's gonna have to adjust the way he plays.

1344
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: He's probably gonna have to set out back to backs.

1345
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 4: He may not play as much as as he'd like

1346
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 4: to play, but he's still equipped to play basketball at

1347
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: a very, very high level. After just seeing him for

1348
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 4: these last two games, that brother ain't ready for no

1349
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: farewell tour, But the way he addresses the season and

1350
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 4: prepares and comes into it, I believe it's gonna look

1351
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 4: very different. And that's what this year is a little

1352
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 4: rough around the edges, because I think he's coming to

1353
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 4: terms and say, hey, I'm not gonna map out the

1354
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 4: next few years of my career. I can't see him

1355
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 4: wanting to leave La. His daughter's still in school, he's

1356
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 4: on the team with Bronni, He's still living a pretty

1357
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 4: darn good life.

1358
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 3: But he's got to realize he's not the same guy.

1359
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 4: The ball is not in his hands, living and dying

1360
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: with the choices that he makes in per our conversation earlier.

1361
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 4: Does he fit with Luka Doncas No, not necessarily, but

1362
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 4: you're gonna make exceptions for Lebron James. No, this is

1363
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 4: not gonna be the last farewell tour for Kobe Bryant

1364
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 4: where he got a max extension, and it was hard

1365
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 4: to move on until Kobe moved on. But I think

1366
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 4: Lebron can do it a little more gracefully. And do

1367
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 4: a little more winning. Can he do it with a championship?

1368
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 4: I think that would be hard to achieve. I'm not

1369
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 4: ruling it out, but it would be hard to achieve.

1370
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 2: All right. So you are saying right now, I want

1371
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: to everyone clear on this. This is Ryan Hollins saying,

1372
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: do you fully expect Lebron James to be a Laker

1373
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: next season?

1374
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I would be in firm shock. You can quote me,

1375
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 4: you can find you whatever you want to do. I

1376
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 4: firmly believe he'll be a Laker.

1377
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be sharing that tomorrow on my Sunday show.

1378
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna share that with the world, right, So that's

1379
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. I have that UCLA privilege with you,

1380
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna I'm gonna take advantage of that.

1381
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: All right.

1382
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, we're gonna get some

1383
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: predictions on how the rest of this day is going

1384
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 2: to play out. What schools are actually gonna punch their

1385
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,440
Speaker 2: ticket to the Sweet sixteen. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

1386
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,760
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1387
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,559
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1388
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1389
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: Are you living the dream, Steve, I'm living the dream

1390
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: as Nikki k She just came in and asked me

1391
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: the starting lineup of the two thousand and eight UCLA

1392
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 2: Final four team. That was a team with Luca Rashardenbab Mootte,

1393
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: Josh Ship, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, and Darren Collison. Now

1394
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: the six team had Ryan Hollins in the middle with

1395
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: Cedric Boseman, Luke Rashard and Bab Moote, Aaron Aflalo and

1396
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: Jordan Farmar. That was the starting lineup of the six

1397
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: UCLA team. I'm just doing this off the top of

1398
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: my head, so that's what I do.

1399
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 4: See, let me ask you something, yeah, because I'd like

1400
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 4: to get this confirmation you saying that there is a

1401
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 4: the the Consolation Trophy up.

1402
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: But is it fair that.

1403
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 4: My group actually in two thousand and six Leeds has

1404
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 4: the record for ucl of most wins. Yes, because obviously

1405
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 4: they didn't play as many games back then, and on

1406
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 4: top of that, we actually went to the Final four

1407
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: in one but it's always referenced as three straight final fours.

1408
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 4: There is absolutely no reference essentially of us winning a

1409
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 4: game and losing in the National.

1410
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 2: Champions Okay, this is very fair like any other school.

1411
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: There are two UCLA all time on eleven national championships.

1412
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: By the way, I want to thank Isaac Lowncron for

1413
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: his amazing updates today on more than just sports Chris

1414
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: on the board. He is per fet in every single

1415
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: way and we appreciate that almost And then of course

1416
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: Ryan producing today. First, thank you very much for all

1417
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: your help. You're welcome, Steve. But here's what really bothers me.

1418
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: For years in the UCLA Basketball Media Guide, they acknowledged

1419
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: their national championship teams, and then they actually acknowledge the

1420
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five NIT champion, which I find ridiculous. I mean,

1421
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: no knock on that team, which by the way, had

1422
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: a sophomore by the name of Reggie Miller, who was

1423
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 2: the MVP of the NIT that year. But why would

1424
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: you recognize that team and not to the nineteen eighty

1425
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: nine and two thousand and six teams, both which reached

1426
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 2: the National Championship Game final game. So UCLA is eleven

1427
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: and two all time in national championship games, and you

1428
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: were part of one of those. And yes, there should

1429
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 2: be a special acknowledgment because you got six. Other UCLA

1430
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 2: teams have made it to the Final four, which is

1431
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: a great achievement. But if you win a game at

1432
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: the Final four to get to the championship game, Yes,

1433
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: I do believe that there should be special recognition for

1434
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 2: your team in six and the nineteen eighty team that

1435
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: Larry Brown coach kiky vandaway and the kids that I

1436
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: was sports out of the Daily brun Both of those

1437
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: teams should be recognized, apart from the other teams that

1438
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: just made it to the final four.

1439
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, we have the most wins in

1440
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 4: UCLA history. Again, there's an asterisk between behind that because

1441
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 4: there weren't as many games.

1442
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 3: Played, but it's an accomplishment.

1443
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 4: And Steve, you know when I came in, guess what,

1444
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 4: we set the record at UCLA for losses. Yeah, we

1445
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 4: had the most losses in UCLA history.

1446
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,759
Speaker 2: But you did upset Arizona. Yeah in the conference tournament.

1447
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 3: We did a lot of stuff.

1448
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: I remember Labs Labs was, how did you feel about

1449
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: Steve Labin. I've always had this back and forth with

1450
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 2: LABS over many many years. What was your impression of

1451
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: Steve Labin, who, by the way, just got released as

1452
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: the head coach at the University of San Diego, one

1453
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: last attempt for him to make it as a head coach.

1454
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: But how is your relationship with Labs.

1455
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: It's great.

1456
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 4: My biggest thing about coach Lavin is that he took

1457
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 4: care guys. He understood the UCLA way. It was bigger

1458
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 4: than basketball. He knew for whatever he knew or didn't

1459
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 4: know in the game, that he would delegate responsibilities to

1460
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 4: his assistant assistant coaches and kind of do it the

1461
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 4: right way.

1462
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 6: Uh.

1463
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 4: And I think for laugh he's going to have and

1464
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 4: has relationships that go far past his days because he's

1465
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 4: never burnt a bridge. He's treated everyone with respect. You

1466
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 4: have nothing but good thing to essentially say about coach Lavin, and.

1467
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: By the way, his personality and that at coach Hallen

1468
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 2: who took it could be not more night and day.

1469
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when Trevor Reza, who was recruited

1470
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: by Lavin, played his one and done year at UCLA.

1471
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: To say that he and Hallen did not see on

1472
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: the same page would be the understatement of the century.

1473
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: At least that was my observation from Afar. But obviously

1474
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 2: you got your got to your pinnacle under coach Allen.

1475
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, there was no question, and we'll just say

1476
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 4: it for what it is. We butted heads. Me and

1477
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 4: coach Benn did not see hot I but I learned

1478
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 4: a lot. There were lessons there, and you know, he

1479
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 4: was very clear that we were laughing guys.

1480
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 3: We weren't his guys.

1481
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 4: The business behind the scenes is that if I'm succeeding

1482
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 4: with your guys, these are the players that I essentially recruited,

1483
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 4: all right.

1484
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 2: And that first recruiting class he had with Ship and

1485
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: a Flalo Lorenzo Mada, Ah Mada, great player. I love

1486
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: those Hey, as always, Ryan, It's always a pleasure hanging

1487
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: out with you, my fellow bruin all the success moving forward.

1488
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 2: And who do you like to win it all?

1489
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 5: Uh?

1490
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: Like Houston Scot you of Atred going one of the

1491
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 3: Cougars