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Speaker 1: to do? Yeah? Well, I was actually gonna I was

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you about that, Michael, because we had done

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Speaker 1: before and you had you had mentioned now Michaels and

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Speaker 1: Amazon to you, is that is that done? Is that

429
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Speaker 1: in the works already? He's going to be the point

430
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Speaker 1: you would say it's it's almost done. I mean, you

431
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Speaker 1: know what I mean if I had If I had bet,

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Speaker 1: that's where where my money would go on. What's really

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Speaker 1: interesting is, uh, we did a story about Amazon being

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Speaker 1: interested in Troy Aitman, and Troy has been amazingly open

435
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Speaker 1: and honest about it. I did an interview with Troy.

436
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Speaker 1: He did an interview with s I where you know

437
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Speaker 1: how these things go. You ask him about contracts and

438
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: people go no comment, no comment, no comments. And Troy

439
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm thinking about it. You know, I

440
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: might go to Amazon, or it might stay Fox. And

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00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: he was amazingly honest about possibly jumping to Amazon after

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00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: twenty years. He was very upfront about that He's tired

443
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: of the grind of calling two games a week Thursday

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Speaker 1: and Sunday. He just wants to do one game a week.

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Speaker 1: And I think one compromise here could be Troy goes

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Speaker 1: to Amazon. Three times Super Bowl winner Cowboy gives the

447
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Speaker 1: NFL's first ever screening package, Instant Gravitas. He calls their

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Speaker 1: games on Thursday, then on Sunday he slides into the

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Speaker 1: fie NFL Sunday Game crew, and then he ends up

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Speaker 1: working for both. Yeah, if he were to leave Fox,

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Speaker 1: I mean that would that's He's the guy. Who would

452
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Speaker 1: they slide in there? They'd have to they would they

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Speaker 1: get somebody from the outside, you think, or would they

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Speaker 1: promote someone from Would that be an interesting question of

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Speaker 1: Aikman left man. Fox PR has been flogging Greg Olson

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00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: pretty hard, you know. Uh, Greg Olson shows a lot

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Speaker 1: of potential. Uh, but is he ready to step in

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Speaker 1: and be Troy Aikman? No, you know what I mean,

459
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: doesn't that anywhere near the gravitas or the authority or

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Speaker 1: the experience of Troy Aman too. He's the tight end.

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Speaker 1: He's not a quarterback, you know what I mean? Everybody

462
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Speaker 1: wants quarterbacks now or a head coach in the booths.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I mean, you know, the Fox can you know,

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Speaker 1: do all the PR spin they want about Greg Olson?

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Speaker 1: But I have to think that if you know what

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, Troy does take the Amazon offer, they're going

467
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Speaker 1: to go for a big game. Yeah. Well, the problem

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Speaker 1: with Greg Olsen's he didn't play for the Cowboys, isn't

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Speaker 1: that Isn't that a role Michael? You have to play

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to get one of those jobs, right?

471
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Speaker 1: Is required? Ry Jones Jmry Jones has it in the

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Speaker 1: contract and every you know, first string announcer had to

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Speaker 1: play with Cowboys. Yeah, like Dak Prescott. Someday Dac will

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Speaker 1: be on something, you know, streaming service somewhere commenting on

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But but just in general, I mean, this

476
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Speaker 1: is inside. I saw some of the ratings came out, Michael,

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Speaker 1: and for the NFL. Is there any limit to how

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Speaker 1: high these numbers can go? Considering you know, the numbers,

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Speaker 1: Some would say, well, the old days, more people watch TV,

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Speaker 1: But with all the options that we have these days,

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Speaker 1: all the entertainment options, the amount of people watching NFL

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Speaker 1: broadcast to me is mind blowing considering how watered down

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Speaker 1: everything is in media, and especially old school media to

484
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Speaker 1: restual you know media, it's fascinating me. You know, is

485
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Speaker 1: there a limit to this? Is there any end insight?

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Speaker 1: Or is this just gonna go on for as long

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: as we can see down the road. I think it's

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00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: just gonna go on. I mean, you know, you have

489
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Speaker 1: the league finally getting past you know the whole issue

490
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: of politics and kneeling and all that type of stuff

491
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Speaker 1: and hurt ratings back in two thousand sixteen, two thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You know, ratings came back strong last year and this year,

493
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Speaker 1: as you said, I mean through the roofs, they're astounding.

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00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I think a couple of the things are going on.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, people love the NFL more than

496
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: ever that the product that's fantastic. You have great young

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and great oldest is like Brady and Rogers still

498
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: in action. I think the golden age of television, meanwhile,

499
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: is ending. I think a lot of the scripted series

500
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Speaker 1: and docuseries and comedies out there are lacking. So the

501
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: combination of great action on the field compared with not

502
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Speaker 1: much coming out of entertainment now because it's also woke

503
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, so narrative driven has

504
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: made the NFL unstoppable. Yeah, every things in that entertainment,

505
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: like the late night TV shows have my god, horror

506
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: unwatchable to me. It's all political stuff. It's it's crazy movies.

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Speaker 1: You know, are there any movies during the Oscars where

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00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, if anybody's watching the Oscars anymore? Uh? You know,

509
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Speaker 1: is there any movies like oh my god, I have

510
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Speaker 1: to go out and sit down. It's all this art house, uh,

511
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: stuff that nobody has seen and nobody wants to see. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you compare the NFL to that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty easy choice. I mean, people are

514
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: gonna go to the NFL, they're gonna go to Netflix,

515
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna go Hulu, you know what I mean. They're

516
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Speaker 1: gonna turn their backs on Hollywood, which is what they've

517
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Speaker 1: been doing, and you know, just go through the stuff

518
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Speaker 1: that makes them happy and you know, satisfies their needs

519
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: during the pandemic. Yeah. And the thing about entertainment, though,

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00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: just in general, is like to me and maybe it's

521
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: just a product. I grew up like, good entertainment's got

522
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Speaker 1: to be edgy. And as you know, Michael, because of

523
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: the Wolke stuff, you can't be edgy anymore. Everyone attacks

524
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Speaker 1: You're like, what are you doing? You can't you can't

525
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Speaker 1: go down that road. What's wrong with you? And it's big,

526
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: it's a big mess. So did you even do you

527
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: know bad Ben anymore? Of the Wire, the Sopranos, you know,

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00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look at this reboot of Sex in the City.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even you know, the most woke activists think

530
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: it's terrible because you know what I mean, they're trying

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00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: to appease Twitter rather than doing something that's entertaining. Yeah. Now,

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00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: what is the concern? And streaming is is the thing.

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00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, We're all doing it. I'm watching a ton

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00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: of stuff streaming. There's not It's it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: the you know, I work in radio and podcasting and

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00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: podcasting is very popular, gets a lot of attention. We're

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Speaker 1: on a podcast right now, Michael, but to rest my

538
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: overnight show. As far as billing, UH does way better

539
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Speaker 1: than the podcast game because that's where the money is.

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00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: And as far as advertising, and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's the case as much in television, but it is

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: from what I understand, and maybe I'm wrong that it's

543
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: it is a lot less And if everything shifts over

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00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: to streaming only does that affect the amount of money

545
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: the NFL is going to bring in or it doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: it's bulletproof. I don't think it will uh impact the

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Speaker 1: amount of money. You know. First of all, these contracts

548
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: are guaranteed. Uh. You know, if you've ever seen Good

549
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Fellas with you know uh the mob guy becomes uh

550
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: part owner of the restaurant. It's like had a bad night,

551
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't care paying me by Like I don't care

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00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: pay me you know what I mean? Uh, Waiters around

553
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: on strike. I don't care paying me. Well, that's what

554
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: it was like. They have the guarantee deals. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you can't program Tuesday Night with a deep comedy,

556
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Speaker 1: that's not their problems. They're gonna get their money, uh too.

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00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean in the NFL is brilliant about this, and

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00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: I will never cease to not give them credit for it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They were the league that

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Speaker 1: built themselves on free over the air television and then

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00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: they never you know what I mean, went the cable

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00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: route completely, or they never you know what I mean,

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00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm great streaming, or they never watch their quick but

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00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: they always said, you know, we're gonna get our product

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: apps for free on broadcast television to the broadest possible audience.

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00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: And board did that work? Yeah, and then some. But

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00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about a cable broadcast related

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00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: to the NFL. My go this Nickelodeon. Now I have

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory. I'm gonna go Illuminati. My belief is

570
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: there's more adults watching these Nickelodeon NFL broadcast than kids.

571
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: That's it's adults tuning and saying I want to see

572
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: what's going on over there on Nickelodeon. Uh, what say you.

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00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: I think your suspicions are quite justified. I mean, because

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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, just to prepare for this interview, I knew

575
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: some of the things we were looking to talk about,

576
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: so I put it in a couple of calls the

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Speaker 1: CBS to find out, Hey, you know how many kids

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: actually watch this? And I mean I got the press release,

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00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I said, fifty million people come blind watched the game

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: of TBS nickelode but how many actual kids? And I

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: never got an answer, So, uh, I got a feeling

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00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: again that the answer might not be as much as

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00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: you think. I think it's you know, parents who are

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: football lovers, or uncles or aunts or grandparents, you know,

585
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: trying to get a little junior, you know, away from

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Speaker 1: his his video game or away from his eye, you know,

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: his his iPhone, but saying hey, watch this game. It

588
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: will appeal to you. So I think you're dead on.

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00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: I think it was more, you know, parents and guardians

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00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: who loved football and want to get their kids into

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00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah. Well, and you know, Michael, from working

592
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: in this business, if there was a massive amount of

593
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: kids watching, they would have immediately responded to you with

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00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: a number and then blown you out of the waters

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00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: and you are not you know, you can't believe this.

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00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: You know they were blah blah blah blah, but they

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: didn't do that. So that's that's a that's a clue.

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00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: That's a dead giveaway. You could say that there's something

599
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: something else going on there with that. My game, it's

600
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: it is so true. I mean, reading these press releases,

601
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, the day after the games is an art form,

602
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They will bend and squeeze

603
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: and twist these numbers until you know, I mean, it'll

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: make them scream. Well, I know in the ratings. Game

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Speaker 1: and radio are one of the old stations. I worked

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Speaker 1: at our program director. When the ratings came out, the

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00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: the arbitron ratings, he would go into his office. He

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00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: had like a war room, like a draft and he'd

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00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: go in there and he like, how can we spend

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00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the numbers? You know, how can we? You know? It

611
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: is an art form. But moving on from that, I

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00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: wanted to briefly touch on baseball because no one this

613
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: is this is crazy. There's a work stoppage, and but

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I know it's the off season. It's James with spring

615
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: training is supposed to start in like mid February, and

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00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: there's been no talk. There have been no talks, uh

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00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: really between the owners and the players in baseball, which

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00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: is a different conversation. What Baseball has some big TV

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00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: contracts and so we're talking sports business. So I was

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00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: curious and you might not have the answer, but you know,

621
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: does Baseball have to they lose money? Do they have

622
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: to write a check to anybody? If we get to April,

623
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, late March, early April, and there's no baseball

624
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: and the TV partners don't have any product, how does

625
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: that affect How do you think that's going to affect

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00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball as far as the deals they have. Oh,

627
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a disaster. I mean, you know, baseball

628
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: has a very short memory and they've forgotten you know

629
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Speaker 1: what I mean what happened during other work stoppages, which

630
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: is fans forgot about the game and moved on. Uh,

631
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be dominoes. You're gonna have national

632
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: TV networks like ESPN, We're gonna have no inventory. And

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00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that we learned during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and this is this idea that you're gonna throw out

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Speaker 1: some re airings of classic games from the eighties. You

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Speaker 1: know that will work for about days, you know, and

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Speaker 1: that that everybody's like, get lost. I want you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. The real thing you're gonna hurt the

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Speaker 1: regional sports networks. They're not going to have any inventory,

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna have any games to show advertises. It's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be a house of cards that it's gonna collapse.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was hoping they would have something done

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Speaker 1: by February first, but I mean, you know, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about less than two weeks away, and uh, you know

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Speaker 1: they gotta get moving here. Yeah, they're just sitting around

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Speaker 1: twiddling their thumbs. It would appear. It's uh, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's and this, as you know we've been

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Speaker 1: around a while, there's no no deal until there's a

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Speaker 1: sense of urgency. Right. It's always these things always happen

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Speaker 1: at the eleventh hour when they're about to lose lose something.

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Speaker 1: But it's it is wild. You know, someone actually still

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Speaker 1: I admit I like baseball. You're not supposed to admit that.

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Speaker 1: I think these days that you like baseball because get

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Speaker 1: in trouble when when you say that, but uh, to

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Speaker 1: wrap this thing up, Michael, put the ball on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big Olympic guy. I am interested with

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Speaker 1: all the politicizing because the games are in China, uh

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Speaker 1: coming up here and they're starting pretty soon. I did

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Speaker 1: hear that NBC is is not sending most of their

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Speaker 1: announcing crews to Beijing. And I'm a big believer that

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Speaker 1: that does. That does impact the quality of the broadcast. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know they're claiming, you know, out of an abundance

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Speaker 1: of caution because of COVID and all that. But what

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Speaker 1: is your opinion on that? As someone that pays close

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Speaker 1: attention to stuff, because I I I can tell when

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Speaker 1: someone's at the game or at the event and someone's not.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the average listener or the viewer cares?

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Speaker 1: I do? I I think you know, it could be

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Speaker 1: both conscious and unconscious. I mean, I completely agree with

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that can match you. I mean the feeling

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Speaker 1: of being in the stadium for these announcers, and they

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Speaker 1: would tell you that themselves in in a moment of honesty,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, If you can get past

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Speaker 1: the press releases in the bullshit they would tell you

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Speaker 1: that themselves. I think these virtual telecasts lead to glaring errors,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think you have the same sense of

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Speaker 1: ESPN followed up. ESPN said today that they're not sending

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Speaker 1: anybody to Beijing, that they had planned to send a

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Speaker 1: bunch of newspeople there and now they're not going to

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Speaker 1: be there. So yeah, you know it's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: the Beijing Olympics, you know, pandemic part two. Um, and

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Speaker 1: it can't hurt help, but hurt the telecasts in my opinion. Well, Michael,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, and obviously you're at Front Office

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Speaker 1: Sports right doing a great job over there. You've had

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Speaker 1: some some big scoopage and uh and keep that up.

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Speaker 1: more from the sports business world? Thank you? I mean

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Speaker 1: and thanks again for the invite. Loved it. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: Thanks Michael, all right, take care,