1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, Luck and load. The 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. We know that 3 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: PTSD is bad, really bad. Over twenty veterans per day take. 4 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Their own life. There are lots of reasons for this. 5 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: The VA has a protocol of a bunch of prescription drugs. 6 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: I've had veterans tell me they were taking over thirty 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: pills in a day. That is more problematic than you 8 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: can imagine, for the number of reasons, including that each 9 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: of them has side effects, so some of those pills 10 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: are to deal with the side effects of this, to 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: deal with the side effects of that, it's wrecking your 12 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: liver trying to process all of this. It becomes untenable, 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: and some of them simply give up take their own life. 14 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: I am open to medical treatments for everything, you know. 15 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: I have a friend who had debilitating cancer. He was 16 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: given six months to live. He they basically wanted to 17 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: put him into a care that was a pre hospice to. 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: Go home and die. 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: He's too young for that, see, in his thirties, he's 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: a wife and two young kids. So he began desperately 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: floundering around for something. Came across a treatment in Mexico, 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: started going down there getting treatment for this. His tumors 23 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: reduced in size. He came back to the cancer hospital 24 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: here and he said they were disappointed when they told 25 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: him his cancers had reduced. They didn't want that alternate 26 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: treatment to succeed. Look, there's a lot of e coal salesman, 27 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: there's a lot of elixers, like in the outlowd Josie 28 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: Wales for whatever ails you. 29 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: That are scams. 30 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: There are some needs to have some level of proof 31 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: of concept before you thrust things on people. But there 32 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: is no doubt in my mind that the American people 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: are being denied the opportunity to try treatments, some of 34 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: which may work that other countries are offering and you 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: have to go there to try them, and that shouldn't 36 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: be the case. We should be the cutting edge. 37 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: So this is. 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer in Austin before the 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: state legislature, testifying about the benefits of psychedelics to treating 40 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: PTSD as the House votes overwhelmingly to pass a bill 41 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: that would fund a grant program or research in medical trials. 42 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: We're not going to play you, him speaking before the House. 43 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: We're going to play you him three years ago on 44 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: Joe Rogan's show, talking about going to Mexico to treat 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: his PTSD with something called Iba game. 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: They used to call it shell shock. Yeah, I mean 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: that's what they used to call it before it was PTST. 48 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: But troops were coming back from Vietnam. They called them 49 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: shell shocked. 50 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: And I think, I mean, I think that was me 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: for a long time. Yeah, sure, that mean that was 52 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: me for a long time. Like, did you get counseling 53 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 4: for that? 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: Did you? 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 5: Like? 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: How did you I went to Mexico? 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: What was in Mexico? 58 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: I went down and I did iber game? Oh did 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: we talk about that the first time you were on 60 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 4: the podcast. 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: I think I did it afterwards? 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: Oh really interesting? But yeah, I know I went to 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: How was that? I gave me my life back? I mean, 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 4: it gave me my life back. Like I went down 65 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: and I just got to the end, and I talked 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: about in this book. You know, I was going through 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: my divorce. I gosh, I did you talk about not 68 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: knowing what was next? I mean literally, you know, just gosh. 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: I was just I was melting down, just melting down 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: from the inside. And and finally, like one of my 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: friends looked at me and it's like he's like, hey, 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: I just went and did this. This is the date 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: you're going you need to go do this. And it 74 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: was at that point, like, you know, I grew up 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: in Kentucky, and I mean I grew up with weed as. 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: Bad, right, I mean all this, right, you know what 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: I mean. And and for me, it was. 78 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 4: Just such a It was just such a to think 79 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: that I was going to go do psychedelics. Right, It 80 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: was just like such a like it was like a 81 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: moral thing for me, right, I mean it was a 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 4: moral moral dilemma, dilemma, yeah, And but I mean it 83 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: was all I had left and I knew that for 84 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: my daughter's I need to do something. 85 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 3: State of Texas, according to the Census, has one point 86 00:04:53,240 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: four million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: forty four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States. 88 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: Representative Cody Harris said, ibagain isn't just another drug. 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: It's a whisper of redemption. 90 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: In a single dose, it can silence the screams of withdrawal, 91 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: quiet the cravings that chain people to addiction, and mend 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 3: the broken pieces of a mind. 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: Ravaged by trauma. 94 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: It has been described as a by Dakota Meyer as 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: a hard reset. 96 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if it works. 97 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: I don't know how it works, but I do know 98 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 3: that I am very open and eager for us to 99 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: try things that might help people who we send off 100 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: to war and others, by the way, who are suffering 101 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: to that end. Brian Hubbard is our guest. Welcome to 102 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: the program. 103 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 5: Brian, Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend 104 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 5: time with you and your audience and sert. 105 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: What is your involvement with ibagain start there? 106 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 5: Well. I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government. 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to run the state Social Security, 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: Disability and CHINN support enforcement systems, as well as a 109 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 5: law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and 110 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 5: Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers to fraud 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: on that system. The last role I held that Kentucky 112 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 5: State government was as the first chairman and executive director 113 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 5: of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had its responsibility the 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 5: administration and omer site of almost one billion dollars in 115 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that 116 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 5: began in the Appalachian Mountains of East Kentucky's southern West 117 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 5: Virginia and the Port of Virginia that I grew up 118 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 5: here in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within 119 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 5: the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said, 120 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 5: our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 5: Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals. 122 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars 123 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 5: in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position, 125 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 5: I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity 126 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 5: may be, And on July the twenty ninth of twenty 127 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 5: twenty two, I heard the word I have again for 128 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: the very first time. And after eight months of intensive, 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 5: due diligence, research and critical examination that consisted of a 130 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 5: second full time off the books job performed over those months, 131 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: I came to the conclusion that I be again had 132 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 5: three powerful attributes. One is that it essentially resolves physiological 133 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: substance dependence for opioids, for alcohol, cocaine, handful mess since 134 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: for place, there are no effective medical treatments to deal 135 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 5: with ritual in an accelerated time frame, and by that 136 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 5: I mean within thirty six to forty eight hours of 137 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: in the National Administration for eighty percent of people who 138 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 5: get it. 139 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: Brian, hold with me for just a moment. I had 140 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah 141 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: Johnson Roberts Restor as Jeremiah Johnson. We gonna hope them 142 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: to a lot younger than genius. Sounds almost too good 143 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: to be true, doesn't It a one time shock treatment 144 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: of a product called psychedelic called I Begain that resets 145 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: the system and addictions and trauma. 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: Man, I hope this is true. I really do. I 147 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: hope it works. I'm all for it if it works. Absolutely. 148 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: I can't know if it works. 149 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: I can there are lots of promises of a silver bullet, 150 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 3: but there are also things that work. I really for 151 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: the people who would benefit from this, I really hope 152 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest. He's executive director 153 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: of the American Ibagain Initiative through the R I D Foundation. Brian, 154 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 3: I had you pictured looking like Colonel Sanders and then 155 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: you came off looking like Jeremiah Johnson. 156 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 5: Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises. 157 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: And how'd you get so hulked up? What's your background? 158 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: Well, by way of background, I grew up in the 159 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 5: coal fields of Virginia. I grew up in a working 160 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 5: fast family. I had two beautiful patholes who were grade 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: school educated coal miners underground for forty years, and they 162 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 5: were the guiding lights in my life. Like many folks 163 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 5: who are under the age fifty and younger, I had 164 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 5: parents who essentially had a relationship that I recall as 165 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 5: one of a significant amount of con flicked and chaos 166 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 5: and screaming and hollering, And as a frightened young little boy, 167 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 5: my Papa pulled me to the side of when I 168 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 5: visit with them, and they took great interest in me, 169 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 5: and they'd say, look, if y'all knows, you're scared, you're worried, 170 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 5: you're frightened, But you need to know two things. Pap 171 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 5: y'all loves you. More importantly, God loves you. And God 172 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 5: has a special and unique purpose for your life, no 173 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 5: matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark things are, 174 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 5: or how frightened you become. Don't you ever lose sight 175 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 5: of the fact God is real, God is loved, and 176 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 5: God's going to take care of you and sir, if 177 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 5: I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson from 178 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 5: the time I could understand language in July, I was 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: about twelve years old. If I were alive at all, 180 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: I certainly wouldn't be speaking with you as I am today. 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 5: I would likely be in some dark hole wondering what 182 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 5: somebody who held jobs like I have had was going 183 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 5: to come to to pull me out of the ditch. 184 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 5: You ask how I'm obtain who I am? I hope 185 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 5: by the end of my days I am half the 186 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 5: man that my grandfathers were, and that is my greatest aspiration. 187 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 5: So whatever virtue is there, I credit to the benevolence 188 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: of God in God's intervention in my life through the 189 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 5: two angels that He gave me by way of grandfathers. 190 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: Ran Hubbard. 191 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: I first heard about I Begain from Marcus Attrell, and 192 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: I've wanted to clarify during the break that he was 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: okay me telling the story and he did. 194 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: I believe a single treatment and he. 195 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: Began evangelizing that this was what needed to be done 196 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: for veterans. 197 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: What is I Begain and how does it work? 198 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 5: I Begain is an alkaloid. It is psychoactive. That is 199 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 5: derived from three West African plant sources. One is the ebogaru, 200 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 5: which takes about ten years to come into match. It 201 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 5: is the cultural pearl of a West half of Consident 202 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 5: civilization called the Buedis, and the Buedis have used Eboga 203 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 5: in their cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. In the 204 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: mid sixties, a gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzow 205 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: had had a heroin addiction that had nearly taken his 206 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 5: last and he had struggled with it for nine years. 207 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 5: He came into contact with I a game that had 208 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 5: been derived from that Ebogo route, and he had an 209 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 5: experience that lasted about ten to twelve hours, which is 210 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 5: how long I became list and at the end of 211 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 5: it he no longer wished to have heroin and he 212 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 5: never went back. And that touched off sixty years of 213 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 5: intensive deep dive observation of field City and research to 214 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 5: understand how this works. There are two of the plant 215 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 5: sources from which it comes. One is called the Blo 216 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 5: Conga Africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully. It could 217 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 5: grow in the Rio Grand Valley of Texas. It is 218 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, there's a third source, 219 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: the name of which I can't recall. But what is 220 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 5: not about ibogain as an individual alkaloid is that it 221 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: has the unique ability, as previously mentioned, to resolve physiological 222 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 5: substance dependence. It has recently been discovered that not only 223 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: does it interrupt addiction, that it has profound regenerative effects 224 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 5: on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are ground zero 225 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 5: for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally, 226 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 5: state and local levels. We see this as demonstrated by 227 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 5: the dramatic rise in veteran suicide, the dramatic rise and 228 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 5: substance dependence among veteran populations that are treated with a 229 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: panoclear pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetized the soul and 230 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: slowly euthanize the body. And as veterans have become desperate 231 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 5: for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have 232 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 5: taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico 233 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 5: for an eyebegame treatment and as they have returned in 234 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: what are now numbers the thousands and have advised that 235 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 5: they have felt the best that they can ever recall 236 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 5: feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were studied 237 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: by Stanford University. The results were released in the journal 238 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 5: Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and those 239 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 5: results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered that 240 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 5: i begain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes 241 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 5: this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within 242 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 5: the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself, 243 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: not one thing except for ib again. Pre and post 244 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 5: MRI images of the veteran brains revealed that a single 245 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 5: administration of ibagain created a regeneration of the flight matter 246 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 5: that covered the surface of each of these veteran brains. 247 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 5: Flack matter is the electrical highway across which all of 248 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: our faults and impulses travel. Not only was flat matter 249 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 5: regenerated at scale, but the centers of the brain responsible 250 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 5: for emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and 251 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 5: the average reversal of brain age among the cohort of 252 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: thirty was one and a half years, with the top 253 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 5: five veterans in their brains reverse in age by five years. 254 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 5: So what we now know is that not only is 255 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the 256 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 5: capacity to regenerate brain tissue in the ways that are 257 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 5: just now beginning to be understood. And if we have 258 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 5: the opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical 259 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 5: development through the FDA's process, as champion by House Bill 260 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 5: author Cody Harris and Cenate Bill author Tan Parker, we 261 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 5: are going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of 262 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 5: conditions that impact the brains for which we have no 263 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 5: effective answers, and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis, 264 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 5: and perhaps even Alzheimer's. To see, we cannot develop this 265 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 5: medication quickly enough and deploy it in the US medical 266 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 5: system fast enough to satisfy me or anyone else who 267 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 5: is in need of his curative effects. So all eyes 268 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 5: are now on Texas as we look for an opportunity 269 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 5: to allocate fifty million dollars to create a Pleather Habot 270 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 5: partnership to get this across the line. 271 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: Pull with me to Bryan Hubbard. We're discussing IBE gain 272 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: in Texas. Ibo g Ai, m E. 273 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: Let me see it right. Listen for the dial tone. 274 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: It sounds like this the Michael Barry Joe coptone. 275 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: Indicates everything is ready for your call. 276 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: Thirty one days, Donald Trump will turn seventy nine years old. 277 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: Yesterday morning he did a lengthy press conference boarded Air 278 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: Force one, landed in Saudi Arabia to multiple meetings, and 279 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: he is speaking at the US Saudi Investment Forum. 280 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: I would you will be. 281 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: Jet lagged, and he hasn't missed a beat and didn't 282 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: mention his age. He's twenty five years older than me. 283 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: Ran Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation. 284 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game. 285 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: We're not trying to get you to take it. We're 286 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is 287 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: an attempt to fund and study a potentially life saving drug, 288 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: because that's what it turns out to be. Ryan Hubbard, 289 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 3: you've explained a little bit about this drug. Talk to 290 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: us about how this let's say this thing is legalized tomorrow. 291 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 3: I know some folks who are investors in this I've 292 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: come to find out of late, and they're very excited 293 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: about the opportunity. 294 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 2: And I'm all for people making money. 295 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: That financial incentive makes money break loose and want to 296 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: fund more and do more. But what does this look 297 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: like in five years ideally in your mind. 298 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 5: Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific 299 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 5: financial reality. The US and healthcare system, as influenced by 300 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: the pharmaceutical industry, is currently one which prioritizes the delivery 301 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 5: of treatments of chronosity over treatments that can actually deliver 302 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 5: curative results. And one of the necessities for public funding 303 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 5: for ib again trials within the FDA's framework is to 304 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 5: medicalize this within the United States. Public money is necessary 305 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 5: because ib again lost its patent as an addiction treatment 306 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 5: back in nineteen ninety two, so there is no big 307 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 5: form of profit incentive to develop it. Because of the 308 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: way in which you can resolve opioid and other substance dependencies. 309 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 5: In five years, what we would hope to have is 310 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 5: a fully medicalized ibagain treatment system or an individual who 311 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 5: has whether it's traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress, or 312 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: substance dependency can come into a clinically controlled medical setting, 313 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 5: spend anywhere from a week to ten days impatient, and 314 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: receive IB again treatment. This is a very serious medication 315 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 5: that does come with certain cardiac risks, and it's important 316 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 5: that this be administered by medical professionals along with cardiac 317 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 5: care nurses who are able to mitigate risk. And that 318 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 5: risk is the prolongation of the time between the beats 319 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 5: of the heart, which if they become too long, can 320 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 5: lead to cardiac a risk. Now, this particular risk can 321 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 5: be mitigated with the co administration of magnesium, and this 322 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: is something that's been known for decades among folks who 323 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 5: know what they're doing with this. When a person takes 324 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 5: what are essentially appeals, and that's how it's currently administered 325 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 5: in the clinics New Mexico, you take appeal and then 326 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 5: you lay down once you begin to fill the effects 327 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 5: and the effects are usually accompanied by the sounds of 328 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 5: clicking in your ears, and then you kind of feel 329 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 5: a heaviness and you lay down. Because I don't believe 330 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 5: in preaching what I ain't willing to practice, I underwent 331 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 5: the treatment to understand how it works and what the 332 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 5: effect is on the person. For about ten to twelve hours. 333 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 5: You are in a state of semi paralysis. You are 334 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 5: at all times oriented to person, place, and time. This 335 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: is not dissociative. If I were to take I have 336 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 5: again right now, in an hour, I could talk with 337 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 5: you as coherently as I am now, though I likely 338 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 5: could not walk. However, if I close my eyes, I 339 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 5: will likely see visions from my life's history, and I 340 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 5: will see them from a perspective that almost places me 341 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 5: outside of what my life has been, so that I 342 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 5: am able to process and understand those things that have 343 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 5: happened to me from a vantage point that is new 344 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 5: and one that helps me understand how to reorient my 345 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 5: relationship with myself and my relationship with the world. And 346 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 5: it is through this introspective process that individuals come away 347 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 5: with what I believe is i the gain's most potent quality, 348 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: and that is its ability to affirm the reality of 349 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 5: our human divinity as children of an eternal creator whose 350 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 5: essence is almighty, unconditioned well for each of us. Without 351 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 5: an acknowledgment of the existence and primacy of the human soul, 352 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 5: there is not any medical treatment that can be delivered 353 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 5: through synthetic pharmacology that can get anyone who is experienced 354 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 5: in despair anywhere close to where they need to be 355 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: to become a restored human being. There is the opportunity 356 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 5: to responsibly medicalize the game, which should never be the 357 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: subject of legalization or decriminalization efforts, precisely because of the 358 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 5: cardiac risk that accompanies it. It's a serious medication. It 359 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: gives a person the very best new beginning that can 360 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 5: be conferred upon them to rebuild life that has been 361 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 5: devastated by trauma and or trauma and addiction, because at 362 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 5: the heart of those conditions is profound spiritual affliction. 363 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: Can you hold there for just a moment. I want 364 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: to read something I read and said, the United States 365 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: outlawed I began in ibogain in nineteen sixty seven alongside 366 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: of other psychedelics. Regulators later deemed it a Schedule one 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: control substance with no accepted medical use and a high 368 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: potential for abuse, in the same class as LSD and heroin. Now, 369 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 3: I don't know enough about ibogain to know, but I 370 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: know that LSD and heroin from my study, are very 371 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: different drugs, and that the people typically making these classifications 372 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: or fearmongers. I don't think that marijuana should be criminalized, 373 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: so we let's start there, at least not for adults. 374 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: And I don't want to smoke any in public, but 375 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: that's a different subject. But why do you think it 376 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: was it's categorized as this and where do you think 377 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: I know you talked a little bit about under what 378 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: terms would you hopefully down the road if it passes 379 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: the studies and gets blessed that it would be administered. 380 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: I know you nswered a little bit of that. 381 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 5: So let's begin with this classification as a Schedule one 382 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 5: substance opportion to Drove Subdences Act. That was an explicitly reactionary, 383 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: politically destructive decision that was made within this broad based 384 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 5: catchment of anything and everything that was deemed counterculture to 385 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: the establishment of the time, in particular the Nixon administration 386 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 5: and it's broad based war on drugs that was in 387 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 5: many ways racially motivated. Our legal system is populated with 388 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 5: what I would describe as a number of fictitious legal 389 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 5: realities that are used to bind, tore, and kill the 390 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 5: truth and Ibergain's classification as a drug or medication that 391 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 5: has a hypherpensity for abuse no therapeutic value, as a 392 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 5: prime example of one of these fictitious legal realities. For 393 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: everything that has a recreational abusive use, there is a 394 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 5: substantial street economy that borders it. We know where opium 395 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 5: comes from, we know where cocaine comes from, we know 396 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 5: where myth comes from. There are extensive black markets in 397 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 5: the United States that distribute all of these substances through 398 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 5: our society. Most folks have never heard about ibagame because 399 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 5: there is no street economy for I have again, there's 400 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 5: no street economy for ibagame because it is not a 401 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 5: drug of abuse. It is a highly unpleasant and challenging 402 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: physical experience to receive this medication. Its function is explicitly 403 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 5: anti addictive, though unpleasant, and it does not in any 404 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 5: way belong to the schedule. 405 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 2: One Ron Howard. I yes, abagain coming up. 406 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: We picked every printable picture and if you don't like them, 407 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: we'll reprint them or rEFInd your money, no matter who's fall. 408 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: It is the Michael Verry Show. 409 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 5: You have a photo map, your photo matters. 410 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: I consider myself a libertarian, that being leave people alone 411 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: to make the best decision for themselves. A lot of 412 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: people want to make decisions for other people. They want 413 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 3: to deny them opportunities to do this, or that there 414 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 3: are too many fat people. We need a law that 415 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 3: you can't eat sugar. There's too much of this. We 416 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: need to prevent people from doing it. Because I don't 417 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: do it, they shouldn't do it. I received a number 418 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: of emails during the break, one of which said, your 419 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 3: conversation with the Gentleman regarding IBI gain is dangerous. I 420 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: have fifteen years of continuous sobriety. The only all cap 421 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: way to get and stay sober law long term is 422 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: by working the twelve steps. 423 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, all right. 424 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: Using a drug to get sober is dangerous and doesn't work. However, 425 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 3: by working the twelve steps and going to AA or 426 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 3: NA as well as working with others will guarantee that 427 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: you stay sober. I know a lot of people who've 428 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: been to AA twenty times or more and it didn't 429 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: work for them. 430 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: This isn't just an opinion, it is a fact. 431 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: Yes, there's always a person who says my way is 432 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: the only way, and it's very important that you offer 433 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 3: no alternative path to end up in that same place, 434 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: even if on a map it appears to me this 435 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: is my path, this is the only path. I won't 436 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: let you say there's another path. It's very important to 437 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 3: me that you validate my opinion and my way, because 438 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: this is the only way in the history of mankind 439 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: that anything has ever succeeded. And I know that, even 440 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: though I really don't even know what I begain is 441 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: because I know these things because it worked for me. 442 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 5: Uh. 443 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: Yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating. 444 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: Brian Hubbard is executive director of the IBA Game Foundation. 445 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to 446 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 3: do ab a game. I'm scared to death to do it. 447 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: This trip you take ten to twelve hours. This does 448 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: not sound like it's a faint of heart. My goodness alive. 449 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came 450 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: back from war blow their brains out. That trip they 451 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: were going through was worse than what this thing's going 452 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: to be. And why wouldn't we. 453 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 2: We will give. 454 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: Our our men, our warriors, every ship, every gun, every explosive, 455 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: every air cover, everything. We'll spend billions of dollars, hundreds 456 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: of billions of dollars to send them to war and 457 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 3: we can't look for ways to help them heal when 458 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: they come home when we know they're hurting. It doesn't 459 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: seem right, does it, Ryan Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How 460 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: do folks learn more about this? If they would like 461 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: to learn. 462 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 5: More, well, I'll appoint them in a couple of directions. 463 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 5: One is they can go to ibergain Texas dot com 464 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 5: and learn all about the Texas IBAGAT Initiative and its 465 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 5: goal of creating a first of its kind public private 466 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 5: partnership or by the State of Texas will lead this 467 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: country in the development of ibogains breakthrough therapeutic potential to 468 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: address veterans suicide, veteran substance dependence, and other mental health 469 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 5: conditions that are brought on by the trauma of war. 470 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 5: Recognizing that veterans or ground zero for the most difficult 471 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 5: afflictions of the human condition, that certainly not the exclusive 472 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: possessors of those conditions. By virtue of the veterans walking 473 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 5: through the door, everyone else who shares in the burdens 474 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 5: of both trauma and addiction will be able to receive 475 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 5: with a successful Texas project, the opportunity to choose this treatment. 476 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 5: Should they show wish and this very you said it beautifully. 477 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 5: There is no one size fits all in the game 478 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: of life. Every person is a unique individual, and the 479 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: pathway to recovery from trauma and addiction is as unique 480 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 5: as the person who has experienced it. We are duty 481 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 5: bound to diversify, expand, and improve on therapeutic options within 482 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 5: the society to people who suffer with any affliction, and 483 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 5: the opportunity Texas has with I'm again is one to 484 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 5: break down the door that has been erected by the 485 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 5: big pharma conglomerates that monetize sustained human misery. To bring 486 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 5: liberation to our sufferers in this life whose next stop 487 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 5: is the graveyard, but for the intervention effects that an 488 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 5: I have a Game treatment can bring. You may also 489 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 5: go to Rally Texas to express your support for Senate 490 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 5: Bill twenty threeh eight and House Bill thirty seven seventeen 491 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 5: to your elected representatives here in Texas, whether they're your 492 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 5: state representatives, your state senators, your governor, Lieutenant Governor Riley 493 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 5: Texas dot org. Please go there and express your support 494 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 5: for the passage of this critical legislation. Whose state we 495 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 5: will know by we send. 496 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: I will quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went 497 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: through the treatment, when he said, trying to abuse I 498 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 3: begain would be like abusing chemo medication. You don't want 499 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 3: should do it. You know, people fear that they don't 500 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: want anything to be legal because everybody's going to abuse it. 501 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: The most abused drug in America and has been one 502 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: hundred years of alcohol. 503 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 3: It is so heavily abused that most people don't even 504 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: realize that they themselves are quote unquote using it. They 505 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: cannot imagine a life without it. They couldn't hold a 506 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: party without it, they couldn't have the workers join after 507 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: work without it. Some people wake up and can't get 508 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: till noon without it. They can't have a lunch without it, 509 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 3: they can't have a nice dinner without it. 510 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: It is so heavily abused. 511 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: It is such a major part of our economy, and 512 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: it is so much a coping technique, which is an 513 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: abuse at that at those levels kidney liver desk, heart desk, 514 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: the things that. But nobody's out there trying to bring 515 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: back prohibition because we recognize so people will say to me, Brian, 516 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: they'll say, well, you're right about all that, but we 517 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 3: can't make alcohol illegal yet, but we can keep all 518 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: them others illegal. But you understand that making something illegal 519 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: is not necessarily a benefit to society. Well, Brian, let 520 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: me wrap up by saying, I don't know the answer. 521 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: I've not done the treatment, and doesn't sound like I 522 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: want to do it. Marcus is a dear friend of mine. 523 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: He's pretty protective, and he knows that my tolerance for 524 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: such things as a whole lot less than his, and 525 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 3: this challenge him. But I am interested in seeking out ways, 526 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: whether that be plant based, a psychedelic, or anything else 527 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: that can help people, not just veterans, suffering from addiction 528 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: and trauma. And you know, the early results of this 529 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: are are pretty good, so I look forward to hopefully 530 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: some more good returns on it. 531 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing your time with us, Brian Hubbard. 532 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 5: Thank you very much for your time, mister Barry. It's 533 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 5: been an honor and a privilege to speak with you 534 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 5: in your audience. And let's all hope and pray that 535 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 5: we have a successful campaign here at the end of 536 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 5: the week in Texas. 537 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: For I have again thinker both it is before the 538 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 3: House and the House passed it one six one. It 539 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: goes before the Senate now, and I suspect the governor 540 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: is going to sign it. 541 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: Is it just me? 542 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: Or did Brian Hubbard sound a little bit like Walt 543 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: Goggins and justified Charlie did? Several people said Charlie Daniels. 544 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 3: But there was a there was a Walk Goggins, you know, 545 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: Walk Goggins kind of kind of put on a Kentucky accent. 546 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: You know that was hazard counting. I'm not going to 547 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: be a member at your party, the your yo ri. 548 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: I liked it. I could listen to him talk for 549 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: a while. 550 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: It was a little bit walk Goggins, a little bit 551 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: Foghorn Leghorn, a little bit Colonel Sanders. 552 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: A whole lot good though. 553 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 5: I like it. 554 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: I like it a lot. He's an interesting cat, that's 555 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: for sure. 556 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 3: Hey, look reading the emails, I know there's kind of 557 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: a split of opinion. What I would tell you is, 558 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: don't be afraid of change, don't be afraid of experimentation. 559 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason they have test dummies in 560 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: the automobile industry. Automobile industry to see what works and 561 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 3: what doesn't. It's okay to try things and fail. It's 562 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: okay for us to make mistakes in medicine. It's okay 563 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: to give people options of self treatment and different forms 564 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 3: of treatment. It's okay to explore what God put on 565 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: this earth and does it poison us or improve us? 566 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: I mean, look, you juice vegetables and you like that. 567 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: You just don't know. The point is keep an open mind, 568 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: how about that? But not so open that it falls 569 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: out Ramont