1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Camp say media, Larry Ortiz was a criminal in the 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: sense that he was convicted of a significant number of crimes. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: The criminal is a legal definition and not necessarily a 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: moral judgment. So it's entirely possible, in fact, not at 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: all unreasonable, that a person can break a lot of 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: laws and still be a pretty good guy. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he was just the sweetest, most loving person. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: This is Larry's cousin, Vanessa. They were very close. 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: He's not this crazy savage beast you know that's out 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: here selling drugs to your grandma. Like, I mean, he 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: has a heart, he has a conscience. It's like a 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: the sweetest, kindest drug dealer you've ever met. 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: Larry was a good person. 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: That's sold And here's his friend we're calling Antonio. They 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: used to run the streets together when they were kids. 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: He was a gym john. He was a big dude, 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: but he was he was gentle. He was a very loving, 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: caring person. You know, and until you cross. 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: That line, Okay, this is more of a gray area. 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: If you were the one crossing that line, you probably 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: wouldn't think Larry was a good guy. 22 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that dude was an animal. 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: He was. 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: He was definitely a person you want to be with 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: when time's got bad. The last couple of years would 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: be out somewhere and I don't know. 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I guess I just. 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: Got bad luck, and luckily he was always there. When 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: I found that bad luck, he'd get bad, it'd get 30 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: real bad, and luckily I got that beast right there 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: with me. 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: That's the friend wave laughing in the background. Way. It's 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: also not his real name. 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 5: He wasn't a passive person. He wasn't a person that 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: you were going to walk over and say anything too 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 5: and disrespect with our consequences whatever those consequences would be. Uh, 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: they were coming. And if he was passive, it was 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: to buy him time, not you time. But he was 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 5: definitely going to stand up and sween. 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: But eventually everyone runs out of time, even Larry from 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. This is the Brothers or 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: Teas Episode five, Reckoning. I'm Sean Flynn. Wade and Antonio 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: got into the game started selling drugs at the same 44 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: time as Larry when they were all teenagers. Wade and 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: Antonio got out and fairly quickly before they suffered any 46 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: serious consequences. Larry, on the other hand, at it until 47 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: he went to prison. Granted, he served his sentence mostly 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: in the Brazoria County Jail, but it was still years 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: of being locked up, the point of which theoretically was 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: to rehabilitate him and do a law abiding citizen. That 51 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: did not happen. 52 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: Different people learn their lesson at different times. 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: Here's where I guess I used this story. 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 5: There was a grandfather sitting on his porch with his 55 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 5: grandson and his dog, and the grandson said, Grandpa, why 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 5: does the dog keep crying? And the grandpa said, he's 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 5: laying on a nail. And the grandson said, well, why 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: doesn't he just get up off the nail? And the 59 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 5: grandpa said, because it ain't hurting him enough yet. Everybody 60 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 5: has their own breaking point, if you will, or you know, 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 5: everybody hits everybody's rock bottom is different, you know what 62 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 5: I mean. 63 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Larry hadn't hit his rock bottom. 64 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 6: Every time he got out, he always told us, Hey, 65 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: I'm really going to do right this time. 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: This is it. 67 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 6: You know, I've got so much out here to live for. 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 6: You know, my kids are growing up, they're missing out 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 6: on a lot. I'm missing out on a lot. A 70 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 6: lot of times he would talk about how he found 71 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 6: Christ in prison or jail, and then he's really going 72 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 6: to turn his life around this time. And I believed 73 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 6: it every single time, and it just seems like it 74 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 6: never happened. 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: Larry didn't serve his whole five year sentence. He was 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: released on parole in the middle of two thousand and two, 77 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and according to family and friends, he jumped right back 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: into the game. 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: I really think it was just the lifestyle of wanting 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: that quick money, being the local, you know, local celebrity 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: in his own right. 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: That's cousin Vanessa with as good a theory as any. 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: We don't know all the details because Larry's not here 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: to tell us, and the police surely didn't catch him 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: as often as they theoretically could have. Remember, Larry was 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: good at the game, but he wasn't flawless. He was 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: picked up for an unspecified parole violation in the spring 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: of two thousand and four and spent a month in 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: the Bressoria County Jail. A little more than a year later, 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: in August two thousand and five, he was arrested by 91 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the Klute Police Department and charged with three counts of 92 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: possession of a controlled substance within a drug free zone 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: like within so many feet of a school, as well 94 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: as possession of marijuana and speeding. He was in jail 95 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: for nine months until April of two thousand and six, 96 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: when he reached a plea deal for ten years of 97 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: probation no more jail time. But Larry did something that 98 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: must have made him nervous about staying in Texas, so 99 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: he ran, which, by the way, is itself a violation 100 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: of his probation. 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 7: In two thousand and six, we moved to Florida, Orlando 102 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 7: with my grandfather. 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: This is Nablin, the oldest of Larry and Kissy's children. 104 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: Larry is not her biological father, but he's the only 105 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: father she's ever known. 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 7: I remember them saying, like, my dad's on the run, 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 7: and of course we're like, okay, we're moving to Florida. 108 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 8: That's the dark mind. We don't get we're going on 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 8: the red We're moving. 110 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Larry and Kissy have three kids. Nadlin was eleven at 111 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: that point, their daughter Larissa was ten, and Larry the third, 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: who everyone just calls Third, was seven. Third's not Larry's 113 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: biological child either, kiss He got pregnant when Larry was 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: locked up, but as with Nadlin. That never mattered to Larry. 115 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: The family all say, no one could have loved third 116 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: more than Larry. That said, Larry uprooted all of them 117 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: and high tailed at to Florida because the police wanted 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: to put him in jail. Also, it's not like Florida 119 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: was some exotic secret hideaway. Larry had taken his family 120 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: to his father in law's house. Unsurprisingly, Texas authorities eventually 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: got around to looking for him in that general vicinity, 122 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: and when they showed up, Larry was astonishingly quick on 123 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: his feet. 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: He was working at a golf course or something like that. 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: Here's Larry's childhood friend Antonio. Again. 126 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 9: Well, the police come look it for him, and he 127 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 9: played it off so well. He was in the he 128 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 9: jumped in the golf court with them looking for him. 129 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: You know, maybe he was riding. We're looking for. 130 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: Him, and he's right, maybe he got away. 131 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: Because you imagine you have a warant comes job looking 132 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: for you, and you tell the officer, hey, you know, 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: come on, let's let's go find this guy. And unbeknownst 134 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 5: to the office of the person that they're looking for 135 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 5: is driving him around on the driving looking for. 136 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 3: Him and that's the Carson when he had yeah, the 137 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: char and cool. 138 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: You know, he was man and daring as well, because 139 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 5: you gottadmit, you gotta be daring to do. 140 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 8: Something like that. 141 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Larry was also smart enough to know that it was 142 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: time to move on. With the cops sniffing around Florida, 143 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: he slipped back to Texas sugar Land, this time to 144 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: live with cousin Vanessa and her father Carlos. 145 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: He ended up coming back first before his wife and kids, 146 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: and he was on the run or whatever, but somehow 147 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: having new bird and worked his way into getting a 148 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: job at the chemical plant. So being Larry, he's like 149 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: you want to help him, Like you can't help it. 150 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: He just gives you this like Teddy bear type vibe, 151 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: like you just want to help him out. 152 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Curiously enough, Vanessa had been down this somewhat dangerous road 153 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: with Larry before when they were younger. 154 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: Like one time I rented a car in my name 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: so that he could go pick up some stuff and 156 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: transport it back. And I like went with him and stuff, 157 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: and I'm like he's like, hey, just do this, and 158 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, looking back, I'm like, dude, I risked it 159 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: all for like five hundred dollars because I didn't know better, 160 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I could be in the pin right now, 161 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: Like you know, it just was crazy. I just young 162 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: and dumb and like you know, I'm riding with my cousin. 163 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: I made a lot of stupid decisions by his side. 164 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: But and this seems important to mention, Larry wasn't trying 165 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to pull her into a life of crime. 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: It was weird that in so many ways he would 167 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: still try to shelter me from certain things, or if 168 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: I would see certain things, he'd apologize and be like, oh, 169 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: my bad says that you weren't supposed to see that 170 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: or whatever. Certain things that he did, I know that 171 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: he did and we didn't talk about, like it's just, 172 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: you know, I don't approve. I always knew, no, I'm 173 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: going to college, like it just I had things I 174 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: wanted to accomplish. 175 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: Sugarland in the fall of two thousand and eight is 176 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: where the cops finally caught up with Larry. 177 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 7: So one night, me and my sister and brother were 178 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 7: just hanging out because my parents are working. 179 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: Here's Larry's eldest daughter, Nadlin to. 180 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 7: Explain, and our dogs kept barking in the back, and 181 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 7: I'm like, what's going on with the dogs? Like so weird, 182 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 7: you know. So then I just see flashlights everywhere. Automatically, 183 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 7: I'm like, Okay, it's the cops. Because we've been through 184 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 7: a lot of cops and jails and knocking on the door, 185 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 7: you know, with our family that we've been raised around, 186 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 7: so we. 187 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 8: Were used to that. 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 7: So I just told my sister and brother like go 189 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 7: to the bathroom to get in the tub to hide. 190 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 7: I called my mom and I'm like, Mom, the cops 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 7: are here. They're surrounded the house. And she's like, oh 192 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 7: my god, let me call your dad. He's on his 193 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 7: way home right now. But he was already pulling in 194 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 7: off the driveway. 195 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: As soon as my dad pulled in, they all drew guns. 196 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: On him, Larry's other daughter, Larissa. 197 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: And made him get down on the ground. 198 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 8: All we hear is I freeze, put your hands down. 199 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 4: And I just remember him telling them like, can I 200 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: say bye to my kids? Can I say bye to 201 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 4: my kids? 202 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 7: They'd being so ugly to him, They're talking. 203 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 8: To him crazy. I've never even knew I can be 204 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 8: this little girl cussing at. 205 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 10: The cops, just so mad, like like let go my dad, like, 206 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 10: you know, because we never seen our dad be a 207 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 10: bad guy. 208 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 4: And they were like, we'll let you say bye, but 209 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: you know, they have to come to the car. So 210 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: we had to go to the window of the car 211 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: to say bye, like they wouldn't let him out or anything. 212 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 7: He told us like, I know I've hit this for 213 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 7: so long, but I've been on the run and I 214 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 7: have to go take care of some things. 215 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 8: You know, I have to go to jail and stuff. 216 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 8: And he said, he. 217 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 7: Said, I promise you guys would never have to deal 218 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 7: with this again when I come home, like this is it. 219 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 8: So that's when we started realizing that. 220 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 7: My dad had a whole nother life that we never 221 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 7: knew about. 222 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 8: I always say like, I never remember my childhood. 223 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: Nadline, of course, remembers her childhood. What she means is 224 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: that it's easier to tell people she doesn't remember. 225 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 7: And I only say that because the stuff that I 226 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 7: do remember is like tragic stuff like. 227 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 8: You know, just like. 228 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 7: Seeing things, hearing things, being around, the arguing and stuff like. 229 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 8: Those are the things that I do remember. 230 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 7: And it's crazy that I remember those things because I 231 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 7: want to remember the good things. 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's a shortlist those good things. She reports 233 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: that she was well dressed and well fed. She remembers 234 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: day trips to water parks, that sort of thing. She 235 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: remembers her dad worked a lot, which appears to have 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: been sometimes true and sometimes a euphemism for Larry being 237 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: in jail. But when she was only eleven years old, 238 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: she could recognize a police raid before it even happened, 239 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: and she knew enough to tell her sister and brother 240 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: to hide in the bathtub. 241 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 7: After that, I started to put so much together of 242 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 7: things that I seen, things that I've heard, things that 243 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 7: I've been around. 244 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 8: Me and my sister were at the age where it's like, okay, 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 8: like you remember seeing. 246 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 7: This with dad, or you remember are the guys being 247 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 7: at our house in the kitchen doing what they? 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: You know? 249 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 7: Like all those like kind of came back to us. 250 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes they would come home to a faint chemical stink 251 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: and a dirty wisk in the kitchen sink. 252 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 7: My mom didn't bake a cake, though, where's the cake, 253 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 7: where's the where's the brownies? 254 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 8: Where's the muffins? 255 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: Like? 256 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 8: What's going on? 257 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Crack? That's what was going on, making crack. 258 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 7: But we don't question it. They never let us see 259 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 7: any of that. It's just the dishes that are in 260 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 7: the seak or you know, like the whiz And I'm like, okay, 261 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 7: I get it. I wonder what age did I know 262 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 7: my dad was doing that? 263 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: Was she a toddler when she realized her dad was 264 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: a criminal, a first grader when she knew he was 265 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: making crack in the kitchen. That's why she says she 266 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: doesn't remember. It's easier. Larry was locked up in the 267 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: Bressouria County Jail while his case worked its way through 268 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: the courts. Eventually, in the spring of two thousand and nine, 269 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: he was convicted of possession of a controlled substance and 270 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: sentenced to five years in prison. But this time, his 271 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: brother Gabe was in Malpasso, the other side of a 272 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: very big state. He wasn't there to ask to share 273 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: for a favor, so Larry was going to do his 274 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: time in a real prison. 275 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 6: I remember her dad calling me and asking if I 276 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 6: could send my brother some money while he was, you know, incarcerated, 277 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 6: And I'm like, what does he need money for? The 278 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 6: dad was like, well, you know, so he can buy 279 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 6: some snicker bars and cokes and things. On commisary and 280 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 6: I'm like, d he gets three square meals a day 281 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 6: and he gets everything he needs. I'm not sending him money. 282 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 6: I'm not going to make it easy for him while 283 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 6: he's in jail. And he's like, oh, well, don't be 284 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 6: like that. He's he's your brother, and I'm like, no, 285 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 6: I am going to be like that because he obviously 286 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 6: is suffering the consequences for his own actions and now 287 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 6: he's locked up, and I'm not going to make it 288 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 6: easy for him. 289 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: Gabe's wife, Melinda was a softer touch. She was quietly 290 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: slipping Larry a few bucks. And that's another one of 291 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: those stories Gabe never heard until years later. But Gabe 292 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: didn't cut Larry off. He wasn't a strange from him, 293 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: beyond Larry being locked up and Gabe being so far 294 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: away in Alpaso. If Gabe had to go to Austin 295 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: or Fort Worth for work, he'd make a point to 296 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: stop at the prison. 297 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 6: He'd always give me a big hug, big bear hug, 298 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 6: and talk about how proud he was of me, and. 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was. 300 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 6: It was just something that I got kind of used to, is, Hey, 301 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 6: I guess this is this is his life, and this 302 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 6: is a life he's going to live, and this is 303 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 6: my brother, and when I have to go see him, 304 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 6: it's going to be him behind bars. And I kind 305 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 6: of accepted that, you know, for for a number of years, 306 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 6: I did. 307 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: Larry's kids, his wife, they had to accept some new 308 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: realities too, at least for a while. Here's Nadlin. 309 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 7: I just feel like we we became more of a 310 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 7: family than like even more of a family because we 311 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 7: knew that we had to stick together because Dad's gone now. 312 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 7: I actually know my dad is gone now, Like he's 313 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 7: not at work because he's in prison. 314 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 8: My mom will say he's always at work. He's always 315 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 8: at work. 316 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: You know. 317 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 7: My mom was telling us like she's tired of this life. 318 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 7: It's hard to do it alone with three kids. She 319 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 7: was just like, I have to work so much, you know, 320 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 7: I don't have help. 321 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 8: She was just tired of it. 322 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 7: So she told us that her and dad kind of 323 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 7: are they're going to separate. They're still going to be 324 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 7: here for us, but they're gonna separate because he's in jail. 325 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 8: She was talking to like a guy friend, and we 326 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 8: hated it. 327 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 7: We went to the prison and were like, Dad, mom 328 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 7: has a boyfriend. Da da da da dada, and he 329 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 7: was like, it's okay, And she told me about it. 330 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 7: It's fine, I'm coming home soon. Everything's okay. I still 331 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 7: love your mom. And she was like, I don't know 332 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 7: why you guys think you're gonna. 333 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: Tell on me. 334 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 8: I'm like, oh great, I'm gonna be in trouble. 335 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: At your own. 336 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 8: That's so funny. 337 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: When Larry was a boy and his whole family found Jesus, 338 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: Larry was taught that the Lord would punish the children 339 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: and the grandchildren and the great grandchildren for the sins 340 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: of the father. That's the Old Testament hocus pocus version 341 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: of what we now recognize as multi generational trauma, as 342 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: cycles of dysfunction that are passed from one generation to 343 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: the next. Larry's incarceration certainly had an effect on his 344 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: daughter's Larissa and Ndlin, but they say it was their 345 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: younger brother, Third who was the most changed by it. 346 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: He's the baby of the family and even though he 347 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: wasn't his biological child, Larry adored him, doted on him, 348 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: kiss he too. 349 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 4: My brother was spoiled, wrought in like he got it easy. 350 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 4: He didn't get the heart into the stick like he literally, 351 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 4: I feel like, didn't get a lot of whoopings like 352 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 4: we did. But he was a good kid. 353 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: I remember that. 354 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 7: You know, when third came along, it's like, oh my god, 355 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 7: I have my baby boy, you know with dad, here's nadlin. 356 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 7: You just seem like the love that my parents gave him. 357 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 7: We all kind of embraced that, you know, like all 358 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 7: together and yeah, he was. He had a different life 359 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 7: than us, the best life. Never had to worry sports sports, 360 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 7: sports team player, always getting trophies. When we seen dad 361 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 7: go to jail that one time, I feel like that's 362 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 7: when my brother started to he was really angry. So yeah, 363 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 7: he I think it started like in fifth grade, got 364 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 7: a call that he went to jail juvenile because he 365 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 7: was selling weed in fifth grade. We were so shocked ourselves, 366 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 7: and he had to stayed the whole weekend. It was 367 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 7: so crazy because a kid that has been raised so good, 368 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 7: grades are good in all these sports, having a call 369 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 7: that this kid is in juvenile for weed, Like where 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 7: did he get it from? 371 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 8: And who is this person? Are all sure it's third? 372 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 8: Like what? Like yeah, and it just never stopped. The 373 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 8: money was fast him. I don't know, we just we 374 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 8: don't know what happened with Third at. 375 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: All, Like, how did your dad react to that? 376 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 7: My dad was just saying, you know, like I never 377 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 7: I never wanted that. I hid this from you guys, like, son, 378 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 7: you don't have to live that life. 379 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 8: Look at me, you know, like it's not. 380 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: The life except kind of was That wasn't the last 381 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: time Third would be arrested. Meanwhile, Larry was doing okay 382 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: in prison. His family was struggling in the outside world, 383 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: but he'd adjusted just find it being locked up. 384 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 6: I could tell that he had a reputation. You can 385 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 6: tell my his mannerisms and his demeanor, the way he 386 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 6: walked and the way he talked, and the tone of 387 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 6: his voice. 388 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: He also noticed Larry's new tattoos. He had a lot 389 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: of them, Houston stuff, Astros, Rockets, Texans, Space City. Larry 390 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: could have just been an enthusiastic civic booster, or he 391 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: could have jumped on with the Houston click of pure 392 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: otango blast. That's a prison gang. It was the second thing, 393 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the tango blast. 394 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 6: I said, oh you blasting, now, you know, blasting is 395 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 6: what tangos say. He gave me that look like kind 396 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 6: of surprised, like what are you talking about. I'm like, bro, 397 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 6: I'm looking at your tattoos. You're a Tango Blast. He's like, ah, Bro, 398 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 6: you don't know what you're talking about. He said, Bro, 399 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 6: I said, I know everything about the Tangos. I know 400 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 6: how long it takes for you to do your quota check, 401 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 6: your heart check to get jumped into the gang. He's like, Bro, 402 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: you don't know what you're talking about. And he's laughing 403 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 6: about it because he knows. I know. I'm like, no, 404 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 6: I do, and he's like, well, man, I had to 405 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 6: ride with somebody. I mean, you know, what do you say? 406 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 6: At that point, he was in prison. Whether or not 407 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 6: I approved of it or not, it kept him alive. 408 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Tango Blast, at least at the time, was a different 409 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: kind of prison gang. It was largely Hispanic and created 410 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: really as a survival mechanism for inmates who didn't want 411 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: a lifelong commitment to the Texas Syndicate or the Mexican Mafia. 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: There's no strict hierarchy, and it wasn't a blood in, 413 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: blood out operation, which meant when you left prison you 414 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: could lead the Tangos go back to the law abiding 415 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: civilian life. But while you were inside you had strengthened numbers, 416 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: a wolf pack of protection. But Larry, being Larry, wasn't 417 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: a freight didn't make looking for protection. 418 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 6: Come to find out later on, he was the speaker 419 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 6: for those units. Some people say chairman, but there's a 420 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 6: speaker on every unit. With the Tango Blast, and the 421 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 6: way he walked around the unit and how he spoke 422 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 6: and how he cured himself, it was clearly he had 423 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 6: a reputation to uphold. Basically, you prove yourself, and you know, 424 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 6: anytime you go to a unit, you're essentially they're going 425 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 6: to test you and you're probably going to get into 426 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 6: some altercations with some people who think they're bigger and 427 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 6: badder than you. And I think my brother made sure 428 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 6: that any unit he went to, that he established himself 429 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 6: pretty quick as the bigger and the batter guy he. 430 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 11: Was dealing in prison. 431 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: This is Alicia, the sister he taught how to make crack. 432 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 11: They didn't want for nothing less to say, when they 433 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 11: were in there. 434 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: According to Alisha, Larry had a cell phone inside, totally 435 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: against the rules, so he was able to call her 436 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: with some regularity. 437 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 8: Would need me to. 438 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 11: Make runs for him errands. He was like, Hey, I 439 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 11: need you to go pick this up, and I need 440 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 11: to go pick that up, and he's like, I'm going 441 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 11: to call you at this time, be home, you know, 442 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 11: And I'd go run my errands for him and then 443 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 11: make sure that I was by the phone whenever he'd 444 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 11: call me. 445 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: Alicia said Larry had her picking up money from Western 446 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: Union or money Graham. 447 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 11: So the the instance that like pickups and payouts. 448 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 8: Those were jailers. 449 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 11: Those were people that were employed there, so they would 450 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 11: get paid so that they could take in certain product 451 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 11: or phoned or whatever. 452 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: The irony, of course, is that Gabe began his law 453 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: enforcement career turning down offers to smuggle contraband into the 454 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: Taylor County jail, and all these years later when he 455 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: is investigating gangs, including prison gangs, for the Texas Department 456 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: of Public Safety, his little brother, Larry is paying people 457 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: to smuggle contraband into a prison and his little sister 458 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: is helping. Gabe didn't know that story either. Now, not 459 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: every inmate can just start a retail business on the inside. 460 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: You need to have some juice, some authority, the kind 461 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: of status where other inmates know better than to steal 462 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: your product and there. 463 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 8: He was what you would call one of the kingpins. 464 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: This was not unexpected from people who knew Larry on 465 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: the streets. Scooter who kind of introduced adolescent Larry to 466 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: this whole world. Never did time with Larry, but he 467 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: had a good feel for him. 468 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 12: Wasn't nobody going to push him in a corner? That's 469 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 12: just how my boy is he gonna he gonna push 470 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 12: that line for the cause. He's not gonna stand on 471 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 12: the sideline and not be a part of what's going on. 472 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 12: If he knows that's his place. I wouldn't expect none 473 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 12: less from him, though, Yeah, I wouldn't expect none less 474 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 12: from him. 475 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: And then in twenty eleven, Larry was released. Larry was 476 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: returned to the free world, the civilian world, the law 477 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: abiding world, the world where his wife and three chill 478 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: ldren still reside. And he had a choice to make. 479 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 6: Now he's a ranking member with the Tango Blast, and 480 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 6: now he has relationships with all these other Tangos who 481 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 6: live all over Texas. And now if he really really 482 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 6: wants to start doing a lot more in the dope game, 483 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 6: he certainly could. He's got Now he's got relationships in 484 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 6: South Texas, the Tangos in Dallas, in West Texas, or. 485 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: He could go back to his family, be done with 486 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: all of it. Just like he promised. Third was still 487 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: in and out of trouble. And if Larry could go straight, 488 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: if he could show Third a different path, maybe he 489 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: could break that cycle, that curse. 490 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 4: When he came home, it was more like him trying 491 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 4: to make up for lost time. So he really became 492 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 4: like our best friend versus our dad. 493 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 7: Life was just different, like ten times better. Like he 494 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 7: came home, he worked, he changed, He. 495 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 8: Was just like a whole different dad. It was crazy. 496 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 8: It was just so different. 497 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 7: Like and we're getting older now, so we see like 498 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 7: this is our dad, Like he's changed, even though he 499 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 7: didn't really change, because he's always been the same dad, 500 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 7: this perfect person in our eyes, but we knew about 501 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 7: his past, so we can just see. 502 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 8: The change in him. You know, he's just ready to 503 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 8: come home, ready to work, ready to be with us. 504 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 4: You know, all my friends love him, and you know 505 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: he always just was like so motivated for me. I 506 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 4: ran track too, so I played softball, ran track, I 507 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 4: played basketball. He coached me, He helped my girls select 508 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: AAU team. I think we have went all the way 509 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 4: to San Antonio. Even when he worked, he still made 510 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: time to be at things. And if he just absolutely couldn't, 511 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 4: I understood. 512 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Why Larry really did seem to be making up for 513 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: lost time. He learned a trade. He was a pipefitter, 514 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: which is in high demand in that scrubby patch of 515 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: Texas Coast. He made an honest wage, and a good one. 516 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: He got me my first car, and it was a Hondai. 517 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 4: And then after my Hondai, he got me a Jaguar, 518 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 4: and I felt like the most popular girl in school 519 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 4: because nobody had Jaguar, and my dad got me a Jaguar, 520 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 4: and all the people left my car. He got a 521 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: good deal on it because he got it from his sprint. 522 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: He bought it from his sprint. 523 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 8: So is he already gotten hurt. 524 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: I want to say this was like right before he 525 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 4: got hurt. Yeah, because I want to say I was 526 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: like in the eleventh around the eleventh grade when he 527 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: got hit in the head with the pipe. 528 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: It was an industrial accident. Larry almost died and then 529 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: he came back. That's next time, and the Brothers are teens. 530 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: The Brothers Orties is a production from Campside Media in 531 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 532 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. The Brothers Orties was written, reported, 533 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: and hosted by me Sean Flynn. Lane Rose is our 534 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: senior producer. 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