WEBVTT - Becoming Dylan Mulvaney: Counting the Days of Girlhood 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:10.280 Hello, Beauty Translated listeners, and welcome to another episode of 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:15.240 Beauty Translated. In fact, it is the series and season 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:21.160 finale of Beauty translated. Surprise, surprise, not an April Fool's joke, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.720 but we're closing out the series Beauty Translated with an 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.720 amazing interview from Bill mulvaney. But before we get to that, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.599 how are you doing, Jennie? How are you joking? Genus? 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:38.240 I'm doing great. I'm doing as good as I can. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.159 I just told Janie that I have a brain tumor 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:42.600 and I have three months to live. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.800 And I just told Carmen that I just got kicked 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.920 out of medical school, so we're shit out. I was 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.040 going to do her ffs. I was going to take 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.840 the tumors out, but sorry, my child, my sweet baby 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.560 co host friend, your face is stuff like that, and 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:01.600 that tumor is going to grow. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.360 Can you just take me out back and scalpel me? 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.200 Well with that, I'm sure we'll address this at the 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.759 end of the show, but we're working on our Dead 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:17.400 Ringers themed podcast where we talk about a medical malpractice 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:18.480 that we'll be performing. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.560 And yeah, without. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.160 Further ado, I'm sure y'all are very curious to listen 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:30.400 to our wonderful guests, the incomparable Dylan mull Daney. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.520 Yay, yay, yay. Well, I am very nervous, but you know, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.960 it's not the first time I've been nervous on the show, 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.440 but today I am especially nervous. We have an amazing guest, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.280 somebody who needs no introduction, somebody here. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.400 Oh, Carmen, I'm always the guest. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.040 You don't need to be nervous around me. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:50.720 Janie. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.880 Janie's you know, Janie's here. But we also have another 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.360 person here with us today, Jane. Oh, you're right, a 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.560 very very special guest. And I would like to introduce 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.360 our guest today, Dylan mulvaney. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.720 Hi, Dylan, Hello, Oh my, No need to be nervous, because, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.840 first of all, I feel like me and Janey are 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.760 giving like similar vibes with this blonde Yeah. Then Carmen, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.079 I want to go red, and so it feels like 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.760 you two are just like where. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:20.560 I'm at and where I want to go. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:20.880 Yeah. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.000 You know, a lot of people kind of compare us 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.079 to kind of having like an angel devil dynamic. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.640 You know, Oh, I love it. I think I have 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.160 both I think I would love to see like a 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.160 little Dylan Angel and a little Dylan Devil. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.839 On someone's shoulder, one with red hair, one with blonde hair. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.760 Yeah, it's good to hear both sides, you know, it's 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.640 good to hear both sides. Yeah, it's jumping a little 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.200 bit ahead, But I remember you said in your recent 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.880 video that going blonde has been kind of tough for 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.680 you to maintain. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.240 Oh my god, it's. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.480 The I had no idea like the upkeep and how 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.720 expensive it is and how it like kills your hair. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:00.640 I thought. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.720 I just was like, Oh, it's gonna I'm gonna be fine. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.679 It's fine, And now it's not totally fine. But uh huh. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:07.320 I love it. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.640 And I feel like I don't know so much of 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.680 last year and the year before, I kind of was 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.280 seeing people talk about me and use my photo places 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.800 that I was like, who are they talking about? So 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.720 it felt like this was a fun way to take 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:28.040 ownership over my like appearance. Again, how's blonde going for you? 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:29.600 Oh? I love it? Well. 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.960 See I was going to say, like, if you were 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.240 like contemplating red, at least for me personally, red has 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.600 been way, way, way more like unwieldy for my hair. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.280 Oh with upkeep is crazy. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.800 It fades really fast, blonde stays for a long time. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.280 It's just like obviously, like the most notable problem is 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.520 like the roots. And yeah, like as soon as I 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.000 can see like even like this much like even like 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.080 a centimeter, I'm like, oh, I need, I need to 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:57.560 get it done. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.200 But even Madonna has roots, you know, so I think 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:00.760 it's okay. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.840 Everyone everyone has roots. But yeah, I've been rocking the 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.960 blonde for a while. I feel like it fits me. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.600 So I tried to go pink for a while and 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.120 it literally fades into in two weeks. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.400 It's really, it's really well, I. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:16.360 Didn't know you could go back. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.440 I thought if you went pink, you couldn't go back 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.480 blonde because the red is like forever there in your hair. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:28.039 No, it was it was more like the pink was 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.479 more on like kind of like the whier side of 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.320 the color spectrum than like the darker side. And also 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:40.080 it's really just like I'm no hair doctor, but it 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.040 also like depends on like everyone's different hair, Like different 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.960 things are going to take for different people. Like you 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.839 might try red and it could just like take forever, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.920 like it could just like you know your. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.320 Hair, I do, so you know, as many people know, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.039 when I first started out on this journey, I've had 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.880 black hair for a very very long time, I mean 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.039 natural blonde, and we are doing red as like a 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.360 little midway point on my journey to blonde. Because as 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.839 anyone who's ever had black hair before, you know, it 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.559 is very hard to lighten that to blonde. It doesn't 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.800 happen overnight. It takes many, many processes. So I was 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.279 actually very happy I got. I got really light. I 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.960 was a level one black and I got to probably 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:27.120 about a level seven in my first appointment, which is 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.920 pretty great. So but I actually think I'm gonna stick 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.880 with the red because I really like the Nicole kidman 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.960 like practical magic kind of vibe. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.719 Yeah that's like and not everyone can rock it, and 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.760 if you can, I think you should and it fits 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:39.520 your personality. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.120 Thank you. So yeah, you know what, if Dylan says, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.960 keep the keep the red, I'm keeping the red. You know, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:45.839 I vote. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:46.400 Thank you. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.840 Well, Dylan. You know, Janie and I have just been 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.400 absolutely loving the bop that you put out Days of Girl. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.640 Oh my god, we've been loving it. 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.440 Yeah. Well it's just been. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.760 It's been a crazy rollercoaster, I think because I've made 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.159 this song as sort of like an ode to my 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.760 early days of transition and trying to do sort of 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.360 like the silliest, campiest version of a song from like 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.680 the early two thousands, like a Rebecca Black Friends. And 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.960 I think, you know, media literacy isn't fully dead, but 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.360 it does feel like it's dying because a lot of people, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.880 I don't think knew what I was trying to do 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.800 with the song or even what it was supposed to reflect, 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.960 and so it did end up on the wrong side 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.800 of TikTok for a while there, and it really was 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.440 shocking because I think when you go into something with 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.440 such pure intentions and then have it kept apartment yeah, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.240 so interpreted in a yes, in a very different way, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.520 you're kind of like, you feel like you've lost control 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.560 over this thing that you made. But then what's so 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.960 great about queer people is that they do understand nuance 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.839 and camp and they were like, oh, this song was 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.120 not trying to be anything highly. 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.480 Deep or emotional or vulnerable. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.520 It was supposed to be for us to like have 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.520 fun too, And now it has found the right people 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.800 and the right audience, and it's been really cool, I think, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.520 too well funny enough. People were listening to like one 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:25.200 specific little verse of the song and completely dogpiling on it, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.920 and then there were a lot of other pieces of 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.040 the music that people hadn't even heard, And so I 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.440 put this little trend out about all of the women 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.480 that have helped me throughout my life, and everyone's like, wait, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.600 this is part of the song too, Like why didn't 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.120 you release this the bed? Like yes, if you listen 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.040 to the entire song, you would know that it's not 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.600 just this one thing. But now I feel very content 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.360 with like letting however it is interpreted, be out there 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.840 and people can take it their way or but I 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.040 still know it my way. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.640 That's what I think matters for me. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.400 Yeah. Absolutely, And I think the realcy to it, you know. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.520 And I've saw some of kind of the negative reaction 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.320 to it and a lot of the criticisms of the 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.120 like the negative criticisms basically fell down to fell on like, well, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.280 it'd be okay if a CIS woman made a song 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.600 like this, but because a trans woman made a song 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.000 like this, we're mad about it, you know. And I 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.120 think that was the part that kind of I found 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.520 the most like annoying about it, as just how like 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.040 we hear these things talked about in songs all the 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.560 time by sis women, Right, Well, I. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.840 Think that specific like there's already a lot of people 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:40.920 in this world who don't enjoy me, and and so 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.439 I think any trans woman releasing this song would have 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.040 been you know, it would have gotten some some pushback. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:49.800 Yeah, but I. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.800 Think there were people waiting to find another reason to 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:58.240 dislike me. And and that's where I've really had to 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.640 give up this desire to be the most palatable version 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.080 of transnis because for the longest time, my dream was 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:10.319 to like be able to win over the housewives in Ohio. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:15.439 Like I thought that maybe I'm here to make people 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.000 that don't necessarily love us dolls accept us. And now 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.120 I'm thinking that's not the case. And I'm starting to 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.120 think maybe I'm here to like make people ask hard 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.800 questions of themselves. And maybe it's less of me being 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.800 the most palatable version, but maybe it's more so me 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:41.000 trying to exude femininity at such a hyper rate and 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.400 in a way that I think does make some people 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.720 still really uncomfortable. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:45.640 And how do. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:50.400 I not let their uncomfortability dictate how I show up 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.000 in the world, because even after I released that song, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.559 I was like, oh my god, do I now need 0:09:54.600 --> 0:10:00.559 to put something out that's like deeply traumatic and sad ballad? 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.360 And then I was like, no, I don't. I don't 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:07.000 have to do that just because that's what people either 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.680 want from me or expect, And and I think it's 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.439 it's right now with queer media and trans media specifically, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:19.120 I think everything has such a like it's like everything's 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.679 with like a fine toothed comb being picked apart, and 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.880 so I have to be a little more diligent of 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.640 like doing projects selfishly that are like, oh, this is 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.640 really fun, but then also knowing that it can have 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.480 adverse reactions and and that's where it's can be scary. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.080 How do you, like, have you noticed things over the 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.559 last couple of years being picked apart in a way 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:40.400 that they weren't before. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:41.160 Absolutely? 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.440 Absolutely, Yeah, you really touched on a lot of stuff 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.480 that like I wanted to kind of glean from you, 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.800 but like, yeah, one thing that we've talked about like 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.440 a bunch is that a lot of people might not 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.880 know a trans person and know even less about like 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:05.520 the trans experience that you being a trans person that 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:11.080 other people see makes you, like, unwittingly or not, kind 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.600 of a like spokesperson for like the community at large 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.720 in a way. And I actually wanted to ask you 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.440 just because, like you started this whole journey of like 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.240 day one of girlhood, day two of girlhood, all of this, 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:29.040 and I'm curious like if you maybe saw yourself as 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.640 some sort of representative, either like trying to be unintentionally, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.800 or if this was all just like, oh, this is 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.199 just me, this is what I'm doing. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.600 Yeah, never, ever, ever, in a million years did I 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:46.280 thought that I would be like when people think of Transnis, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.120 that they would think of Dylan Molvany. And that's the 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.040 scary part now of like putting things out is knowing 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.520 that there are people that equate Transnis to someone like me, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.240 or me specifically or my content. And that's where it's 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.360 like again the people not realizing that there are so 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.079 many different versions of the dolls and of any kind 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:09.880 of trans person. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.479 And I think. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.240 When I going back to like the idea of me 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:22.280 maybe being someone that like the Housewives of Ohio could enjoy, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.839 that wasn't about like me wanting to be a spokesperson, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.079 but more so like my desire to just be liked 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.960 in general. I grew up so people pleasey like I 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.760 and even funny specific to like moms, like I was 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.520 always the kid at like a pool party, like sitting 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.000 inside with like the mom while she prepared snacks and 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.720 I wasn't hanging out with the other kids. And I 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.200 think that comes back to like, yes, wanting to be 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.400 accepted by like women as well, Like that was That's 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.160 the kind of the through line of my life. But 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.560 I really want the dolls in my life to know 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.760 that that is not my intention. And as what kind 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.920 of what happened last year, after all of the backlash 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.800 and boycotts that were happening, I took a big step 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.240 back and was like, Okay, anything that I say could 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.120 be used against me, but it could also be used 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.400 against the community. In having to you know, now having 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.080 people that I trust and that I love, being able 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:27.240 to interpret things and making sure that before I put 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.480 something out there that is a reflection of the community, 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.319 make sure that like it has a few other eyes 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.920 on it, because yeah, there's so much room in ways 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.559 that things can get twisted and still do like it, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.959 and you kind of have to decide like if it's 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.960 worth it or not. So I've been a lot less 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.839 willing to like throw, you know word vomit anywhere and everywhere. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.720 I also think, like I look back at a lot 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.600 of those videos from like my series and are so cringey, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.480 but like I kind of think of it like you 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.640 know that movie eighth grade, the really awkward girl. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.000 That burn a movie. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.480 Yeah, I look back at some of those videos and 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.760 I'm like, oh, bless your hearts, we look so awkward 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.080 or so cringe You're like, and yet there was still 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.319 something really pure there. And now I'm a little bit 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.440 more jaded, a little bit more. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:16.959 Of like a bitch. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.960 But it's like that is I will all be really 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:27.240 find the earnestness and people would just let me grow 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.080 up and let me do it on like my own time, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:35.280 versus forcing me into sort of like that jaded place 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.120 that I don't really want to exist in. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.120 Yeah. Honestly though, I mean, having been a trans woman 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.400 for like fifteen years now, I know just how jaded 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.560 and cynical year after year things start to become. So 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.120 it's very relatable and very real. But I also think 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.320 at the end of the day till and you should 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.720 just make what you want to make and just be like, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.440 you know what, if people misinterpret it, then so be it. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.960 I did want to ask you one thing because you mentioned, 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.040 you know, you you go to and you ask people 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.160 for like to put their eyes on things before you. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.000 Who are your people that you typically go to? 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.320 Oh my god, me and I'm our lady JO, our 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.520 lady J, she writes on Transparent Lady J, Are you crazy? 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.000 She's iconos well, and we met through a mutual friend 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.480 of ours in the Broadway world, and she is, you know, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.880 she's a busy gal, and she's a very tight circle. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.160 Oh my god, brilliant. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.720 But we built this like love of music and of 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.800 Broadway and and I think there's so few trans women 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.760 in the industry right now that are like capable of 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.080 like show running a show or you know, that have 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.640 been like in the trenches for the years, and she's 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.560 one of them. And what's been really cool is how 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.320 our relationship has evolved. Was sort of helping me navigate 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.520 the business side of things, but then it became personal 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.720 life things and physical body thing. You know. Now it's 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.640 all encompassing, and so having her eyes on things have 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.560 been really really helpful. I also my two BFFs now 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.600 the dolls, Josie Toda and Miss Benny, and having you know, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.360 they're actually younger than me, and it's been fascinating to 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.000 have like sort of I'm a gen z cusp, so 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.120 I'm twenty seven, Josie's I think twenty two, Miss Benny's 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.640 twenty five. And having their view on things is so 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:37.120 different too, because they have less sort of like judgment 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.360 just to how they were raised, was like, why would 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.240 this be a big deal? And it's been so cool 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.120 to have a younger perspective on things too, because a 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.760 lot of my audience is younger, and so knowing how 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.680 that they're going to interpret something is different than the 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:58.400 mom's watching me or the conservative extremists politicians watching my videos. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.680 So I think having is any different types of people 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.760 in my close circle to ask and talk to you 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:05.560 about these things. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.879 Yeah, I love that. I think that's amazing. It's like 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.320 you've got dolls of every generation there. That is I 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:21.000 think really awesome. Can we talk a little bit about 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.879 the days of girlhood. There's like a line in the 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.960 Days of Girlhood that I just absolutely loved when I 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.720 was when I was watching the video, I was like, yes, Dylan, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:32.440 I'm so glad you did that. It was the Patriarchy's over, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.560 you can hold our beer, and I just love that line. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.639 And I also loved the water guns with the beer cans. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:41.320 Oh thank you. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.000 That was so I was like trying to figure out 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.840 a way to call out the elephant in the room 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.840 of the last year, but doing it in a really 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:56.639 funny way. And I always have healed through comedy and humor, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.160 and that's always been my way in from like healing 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.480 from trauma, and even started doing stand up comedy again 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.320 like two months ago, and I did a lot of 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.840 my my thank you humor around like beer and these 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.680 brand deals and all these things, and I walked off 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.840 like hearing other people laugh about it with me instead 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.240 of at me made me feel like a thousand times better. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.359 So with the video too, I just wanted it to 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.720 feel like a, Hey, I'm doing okay now and I'm 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.600 getting the last laugh in this situation. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.359 And I still love beer, So. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.760 I think it's It's one of those things where I 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.040 was like, I still have ownership over me and my 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.399 interests in making the kind of light of a really 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:42.440 crummy situation. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.399 Yeah, yeah, I love that, and I love that you 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.760 love beer because I know I was like, actually a yeah, 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:55.960 he I love yeah. I was actually like talking to 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.919 someone that works at a brewery yesterday about how like 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.359 shitty and like soogynistic and like just kind of like 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.320 ugly the culture is around there, and that was a 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:10.080 much smaller brewery than the whatever whatever company you were 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:10.480 dealing with. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.399 I don't remember their name, I can't remember. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.480 I think I think a lot of people certainly recognize 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.119 the absurdity of it. Like I mean, you know, it's 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:22.960 kind of funny, like me and Carmen were like talking 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.720 about like what what to say here, like what to 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:29.239 talk about and how like dour like last like June was, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.440 and how like just really depressing of a pride month 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.040 it was. But like I feel like, in a sense, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.320 like maybe this is just like some of your optimism 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.119 rubbing off on me. But I feel like at a 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.600 certain point people have to see how just ridiculous this is, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.560 like like stacking a can of butt lights and shooting 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:51.960 them with a machine gun. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.919 Is so insane, Like you're actually this weird person. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.000 I say, And what I'm what I've been waiting for 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.479 and what I think happened was like queer as this 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.439 was I think for all of us last year. It 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.760 was really scary because it felt violent and it felt 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:15.080 like this could be a very real reflection of what 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.200 can and will happen from people who are that hateful, 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.560 and even if that's just starting online. And then that 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.000 brands followed suit, so they believed like, oh my god, 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.439 we don't want to insert ourselves into these conversations, and 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.720 so Pride Month was this, Like God, it felt like 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.320 we were like in a grieving process like it was. 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.600 It was so weird and dark. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.879 And I think we're getting closer to now, brands and 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.440 just humans in general realizing how ridiculous some of these 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:48.919 claims are and how close minded, and it's almost like 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.120 people are showing their true colors in a way that 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.480 gets embarrassing because of their talk themselves into like a 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.159 corner and then you realize or it might even be 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.080 someone that you really enjoyed for a long time, and 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:04.720 then one specific topic you're like. 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.480 Oh my god, like that's I don't really feel about 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:08.159 certain things. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.159 And I'm hoping that brands will start smarting up to 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.960 the fact that this is just a very specific, loud 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.880 group of humans, and also like what side do they 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.159 want to be on in the long run, because I 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.159 will never forget the brands that have showed up and 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.400 the brands that haven't, and even you know the same 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.320 thing with in the industry and TV shows that have 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.960 still showed up for us and haven't. And I think 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.680 we got a long way to go, but we're getting 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.479 closer to everyone realizing how stupid this all is. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.480