Speaker 1: Hello, Beauty Translated listeners, and welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Beauty Translated. In fact, it is the series and season
Speaker 1: finale of Beauty translated. Surprise, surprise, not an April Fool's joke,
Speaker 1: but we're closing out the series Beauty Translated with an
Speaker 1: amazing interview from Bill mulvaney. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: how are you doing, Jennie? How are you joking? Genus?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm doing as good as I can.
Speaker 1: I just told Janie that I have a brain tumor
Speaker 1: and I have three months to live.
Speaker 2: And I just told Carmen that I just got kicked
Speaker 2: out of medical school, so we're shit out. I was
Speaker 2: going to do her ffs. I was going to take
Speaker 2: the tumors out, but sorry, my child, my sweet baby
Speaker 2: co host friend, your face is stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: that tumor is going to grow.
Speaker 1: Can you just take me out back and scalpel me?
Speaker 2: Well with that, I'm sure we'll address this at the
Speaker 2: end of the show, but we're working on our Dead
Speaker 2: Ringers themed podcast where we talk about a medical malpractice
Speaker 2: that we'll be performing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, without.
Speaker 2: Further ado, I'm sure y'all are very curious to listen
Speaker 2: to our wonderful guests, the incomparable Dylan mull Daney.
Speaker 1: Yay, yay, yay. Well, I am very nervous, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's not the first time I've been nervous on the show,
Speaker 1: but today I am especially nervous. We have an amazing guest,
Speaker 1: somebody who needs no introduction, somebody here.
Speaker 2: Oh, Carmen, I'm always the guest. Oh, yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You don't need to be nervous around me.
Speaker 3: Janie.
Speaker 1: Janie's you know, Janie's here. But we also have another
Speaker 1: person here with us today, Jane. Oh, you're right, a
Speaker 1: very very special guest. And I would like to introduce
Speaker 1: our guest today, Dylan mulvaney.
Speaker 4: Hi, Dylan, Hello, Oh my, No need to be nervous, because,
Speaker 4: first of all, I feel like me and Janey are
Speaker 4: giving like similar vibes with this blonde Yeah. Then Carmen,
Speaker 4: I want to go red, and so it feels like
Speaker 4: you two are just like where.
Speaker 3: I'm at and where I want to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people kind of compare us
Speaker 2: to kind of having like an angel devil dynamic.
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, I love it. I think I have
Speaker 4: both I think I would love to see like a
Speaker 4: little Dylan Angel and a little Dylan Devil.
Speaker 1: On someone's shoulder, one with red hair, one with blonde hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to hear both sides, you know, it's
Speaker 2: good to hear both sides. Yeah, it's jumping a little
Speaker 2: bit ahead, But I remember you said in your recent
Speaker 2: video that going blonde has been kind of tough for
Speaker 2: you to maintain.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's.
Speaker 4: The I had no idea like the upkeep and how
Speaker 4: expensive it is and how it like kills your hair.
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 4: I just was like, Oh, it's gonna I'm gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: It's fine, And now it's not totally fine. But uh huh.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: And I feel like I don't know so much of
Speaker 4: last year and the year before, I kind of was
Speaker 4: seeing people talk about me and use my photo places
Speaker 4: that I was like, who are they talking about? So
Speaker 4: it felt like this was a fun way to take
Speaker 4: ownership over my like appearance. Again, how's blonde going for you?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love it? Well.
Speaker 2: See I was going to say, like, if you were
Speaker 2: like contemplating red, at least for me personally, red has
Speaker 2: been way, way, way more like unwieldy for my hair.
Speaker 3: Oh with upkeep is crazy.
Speaker 2: It fades really fast, blonde stays for a long time.
Speaker 2: It's just like obviously, like the most notable problem is
Speaker 2: like the roots. And yeah, like as soon as I
Speaker 2: can see like even like this much like even like
Speaker 2: a centimeter, I'm like, oh, I need, I need to
Speaker 2: get it done.
Speaker 1: But even Madonna has roots, you know, so I think
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 2: Everyone everyone has roots. But yeah, I've been rocking the
Speaker 2: blonde for a while. I feel like it fits me.
Speaker 2: So I tried to go pink for a while and
Speaker 2: it literally fades into in two weeks.
Speaker 1: It's really, it's really well, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know you could go back.
Speaker 4: I thought if you went pink, you couldn't go back
Speaker 4: blonde because the red is like forever there in your hair.
Speaker 2: No, it was it was more like the pink was
Speaker 2: more on like kind of like the whier side of
Speaker 2: the color spectrum than like the darker side. And also
Speaker 2: it's really just like I'm no hair doctor, but it
Speaker 2: also like depends on like everyone's different hair, Like different
Speaker 2: things are going to take for different people. Like you
Speaker 2: might try red and it could just like take forever,
Speaker 2: like it could just like you know your.
Speaker 1: Hair, I do, so you know, as many people know,
Speaker 1: when I first started out on this journey, I've had
Speaker 1: black hair for a very very long time, I mean
Speaker 1: natural blonde, and we are doing red as like a
Speaker 1: little midway point on my journey to blonde. Because as
Speaker 1: anyone who's ever had black hair before, you know, it
Speaker 1: is very hard to lighten that to blonde. It doesn't
Speaker 1: happen overnight. It takes many, many processes. So I was
Speaker 1: actually very happy I got. I got really light. I
Speaker 1: was a level one black and I got to probably
Speaker 1: about a level seven in my first appointment, which is
Speaker 1: pretty great. So but I actually think I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: with the red because I really like the Nicole kidman
Speaker 1: like practical magic kind of vibe.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's like and not everyone can rock it, and
Speaker 4: if you can, I think you should and it fits
Speaker 4: your personality.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So yeah, you know what, if Dylan says,
Speaker 1: keep the keep the red, I'm keeping the red. You know,
Speaker 1: I vote.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, Dylan. You know, Janie and I have just been
Speaker 1: absolutely loving the bop that you put out Days of Girl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we've been loving it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well it's just been.
Speaker 4: It's been a crazy rollercoaster, I think because I've made
Speaker 4: this song as sort of like an ode to my
Speaker 4: early days of transition and trying to do sort of
Speaker 4: like the silliest, campiest version of a song from like
Speaker 4: the early two thousands, like a Rebecca Black Friends. And
Speaker 4: I think, you know, media literacy isn't fully dead, but
Speaker 4: it does feel like it's dying because a lot of people,
Speaker 4: I don't think knew what I was trying to do
Speaker 4: with the song or even what it was supposed to reflect,
Speaker 4: and so it did end up on the wrong side
Speaker 4: of TikTok for a while there, and it really was
Speaker 4: shocking because I think when you go into something with
Speaker 4: such pure intentions and then have it kept apartment yeah,
Speaker 4: so interpreted in a yes, in a very different way,
Speaker 4: you're kind of like, you feel like you've lost control
Speaker 4: over this thing that you made. But then what's so
Speaker 4: great about queer people is that they do understand nuance
Speaker 4: and camp and they were like, oh, this song was
Speaker 4: not trying to be anything highly.
Speaker 3: Deep or emotional or vulnerable.
Speaker 4: It was supposed to be for us to like have
Speaker 4: fun too, And now it has found the right people
Speaker 4: and the right audience, and it's been really cool, I think,
Speaker 4: too well funny enough. People were listening to like one
Speaker 4: specific little verse of the song and completely dogpiling on it,
Speaker 4: and then there were a lot of other pieces of
Speaker 4: the music that people hadn't even heard, And so I
Speaker 4: put this little trend out about all of the women
Speaker 4: that have helped me throughout my life, and everyone's like, wait,
Speaker 4: this is part of the song too, Like why didn't
Speaker 4: you release this the bed? Like yes, if you listen
Speaker 4: to the entire song, you would know that it's not
Speaker 4: just this one thing. But now I feel very content
Speaker 4: with like letting however it is interpreted, be out there
Speaker 4: and people can take it their way or but I
Speaker 4: still know it my way.
Speaker 3: That's what I think matters for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think the realcy to it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've saw some of kind of the negative reaction
Speaker 1: to it and a lot of the criticisms of the
Speaker 1: like the negative criticisms basically fell down to fell on like, well,
Speaker 1: it'd be okay if a CIS woman made a song
Speaker 1: like this, but because a trans woman made a song
Speaker 1: like this, we're mad about it, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think that was the part that kind of I found
Speaker 1: the most like annoying about it, as just how like
Speaker 1: we hear these things talked about in songs all the
Speaker 1: time by sis women, Right, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Think that specific like there's already a lot of people
Speaker 4: in this world who don't enjoy me, and and so
Speaker 4: I think any trans woman releasing this song would have
Speaker 4: been you know, it would have gotten some some pushback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4: Think there were people waiting to find another reason to
Speaker 4: dislike me. And and that's where I've really had to
Speaker 4: give up this desire to be the most palatable version
Speaker 4: of transnis because for the longest time, my dream was
Speaker 4: to like be able to win over the housewives in Ohio.
Speaker 4: Like I thought that maybe I'm here to make people
Speaker 4: that don't necessarily love us dolls accept us. And now
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that's not the case. And I'm starting to
Speaker 4: think maybe I'm here to like make people ask hard
Speaker 4: questions of themselves. And maybe it's less of me being
Speaker 4: the most palatable version, but maybe it's more so me
Speaker 4: trying to exude femininity at such a hyper rate and
Speaker 4: in a way that I think does make some people
Speaker 4: still really uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: And how do.
Speaker 4: I not let their uncomfortability dictate how I show up
Speaker 4: in the world, because even after I released that song,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, do I now need
Speaker 4: to put something out that's like deeply traumatic and sad ballad?
Speaker 4: And then I was like, no, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: have to do that just because that's what people either
Speaker 4: want from me or expect, And and I think it's
Speaker 4: it's right now with queer media and trans media specifically,
Speaker 4: I think everything has such a like it's like everything's
Speaker 4: with like a fine toothed comb being picked apart, and
Speaker 4: so I have to be a little more diligent of
Speaker 4: like doing projects selfishly that are like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: really fun, but then also knowing that it can have
Speaker 4: adverse reactions and and that's where it's can be scary.
Speaker 4: How do you, like, have you noticed things over the
Speaker 4: last couple of years being picked apart in a way
Speaker 4: that they weren't before.
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, you really touched on a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that like I wanted to kind of glean from you,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, one thing that we've talked about like
Speaker 2: a bunch is that a lot of people might not
Speaker 2: know a trans person and know even less about like
Speaker 2: the trans experience that you being a trans person that
Speaker 2: other people see makes you, like, unwittingly or not, kind
Speaker 2: of a like spokesperson for like the community at large
Speaker 2: in a way. And I actually wanted to ask you
Speaker 2: just because, like you started this whole journey of like
Speaker 2: day one of girlhood, day two of girlhood, all of this,
Speaker 2: and I'm curious like if you maybe saw yourself as
Speaker 2: some sort of representative, either like trying to be unintentionally,
Speaker 2: or if this was all just like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: just me, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, never, ever, ever, in a million years did I
Speaker 4: thought that I would be like when people think of Transnis,
Speaker 4: that they would think of Dylan Molvany. And that's the
Speaker 4: scary part now of like putting things out is knowing
Speaker 4: that there are people that equate Transnis to someone like me,
Speaker 4: or me specifically or my content. And that's where it's
Speaker 4: like again the people not realizing that there are so
Speaker 4: many different versions of the dolls and of any kind
Speaker 4: of trans person.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 4: When I going back to like the idea of me
Speaker 4: maybe being someone that like the Housewives of Ohio could enjoy,
Speaker 4: that wasn't about like me wanting to be a spokesperson,
Speaker 4: but more so like my desire to just be liked
Speaker 4: in general. I grew up so people pleasey like I
Speaker 4: and even funny specific to like moms, like I was
Speaker 4: always the kid at like a pool party, like sitting
Speaker 4: inside with like the mom while she prepared snacks and
Speaker 4: I wasn't hanging out with the other kids. And I
Speaker 4: think that comes back to like, yes, wanting to be
Speaker 4: accepted by like women as well, Like that was That's
Speaker 4: the kind of the through line of my life. But
Speaker 4: I really want the dolls in my life to know
Speaker 4: that that is not my intention. And as what kind
Speaker 4: of what happened last year, after all of the backlash
Speaker 4: and boycotts that were happening, I took a big step
Speaker 4: back and was like, Okay, anything that I say could
Speaker 4: be used against me, but it could also be used
Speaker 4: against the community. In having to you know, now having
Speaker 4: people that I trust and that I love, being able
Speaker 4: to interpret things and making sure that before I put
Speaker 4: something out there that is a reflection of the community,
Speaker 4: make sure that like it has a few other eyes
Speaker 4: on it, because yeah, there's so much room in ways
Speaker 4: that things can get twisted and still do like it,
Speaker 4: and you kind of have to decide like if it's
Speaker 4: worth it or not. So I've been a lot less
Speaker 4: willing to like throw, you know word vomit anywhere and everywhere.
Speaker 4: I also think, like I look back at a lot
Speaker 4: of those videos from like my series and are so cringey,
Speaker 4: but like I kind of think of it like you
Speaker 4: know that movie eighth grade, the really awkward girl.
Speaker 1: That burn a movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I look back at some of those videos and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, bless your hearts, we look so awkward
Speaker 4: or so cringe You're like, and yet there was still
Speaker 4: something really pure there. And now I'm a little bit
Speaker 4: more jaded, a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Of like a bitch.
Speaker 4: But it's like that is I will all be really
Speaker 4: find the earnestness and people would just let me grow
Speaker 4: up and let me do it on like my own time,
Speaker 4: versus forcing me into sort of like that jaded place
Speaker 4: that I don't really want to exist in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Honestly though, I mean, having been a trans woman
Speaker 1: for like fifteen years now, I know just how jaded
Speaker 1: and cynical year after year things start to become. So
Speaker 1: it's very relatable and very real. But I also think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day till and you should
Speaker 1: just make what you want to make and just be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, if people misinterpret it, then so be it.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you one thing because you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, you you go to and you ask people
Speaker 1: for like to put their eyes on things before you.
Speaker 1: Who are your people that you typically go to?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, me and I'm our lady JO, our
Speaker 4: lady J, she writes on Transparent Lady J, Are you crazy?
Speaker 4: She's iconos well, and we met through a mutual friend
Speaker 4: of ours in the Broadway world, and she is, you know,
Speaker 4: she's a busy gal, and she's a very tight circle.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, brilliant.
Speaker 4: But we built this like love of music and of
Speaker 4: Broadway and and I think there's so few trans women
Speaker 4: in the industry right now that are like capable of
Speaker 4: like show running a show or you know, that have
Speaker 4: been like in the trenches for the years, and she's
Speaker 4: one of them. And what's been really cool is how
Speaker 4: our relationship has evolved. Was sort of helping me navigate
Speaker 4: the business side of things, but then it became personal
Speaker 4: life things and physical body thing. You know. Now it's
Speaker 4: all encompassing, and so having her eyes on things have
Speaker 4: been really really helpful. I also my two BFFs now
Speaker 4: the dolls, Josie Toda and Miss Benny, and having you know,
Speaker 4: they're actually younger than me, and it's been fascinating to
Speaker 4: have like sort of I'm a gen z cusp, so
Speaker 4: I'm twenty seven, Josie's I think twenty two, Miss Benny's
Speaker 4: twenty five. And having their view on things is so
Speaker 4: different too, because they have less sort of like judgment
Speaker 4: just to how they were raised, was like, why would
Speaker 4: this be a big deal? And it's been so cool
Speaker 4: to have a younger perspective on things too, because a
Speaker 4: lot of my audience is younger, and so knowing how
Speaker 4: that they're going to interpret something is different than the
Speaker 4: mom's watching me or the conservative extremists politicians watching my videos.
Speaker 4: So I think having is any different types of people
Speaker 4: in my close circle to ask and talk to you
Speaker 4: about these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I think that's amazing. It's like
Speaker 1: you've got dolls of every generation there. That is I
Speaker 1: think really awesome. Can we talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the days of girlhood. There's like a line in the
Speaker 1: Days of Girlhood that I just absolutely loved when I
Speaker 1: was when I was watching the video, I was like, yes, Dylan,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you did that. It was the Patriarchy's over,
Speaker 1: you can hold our beer, and I just love that line.
Speaker 1: And I also loved the water guns with the beer cans.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 4: That was so I was like trying to figure out
Speaker 4: a way to call out the elephant in the room
Speaker 4: of the last year, but doing it in a really
Speaker 4: funny way. And I always have healed through comedy and humor,
Speaker 4: and that's always been my way in from like healing
Speaker 4: from trauma, and even started doing stand up comedy again
Speaker 4: like two months ago, and I did a lot of
Speaker 4: my my thank you humor around like beer and these
Speaker 4: brand deals and all these things, and I walked off
Speaker 4: like hearing other people laugh about it with me instead
Speaker 4: of at me made me feel like a thousand times better.
Speaker 4: So with the video too, I just wanted it to
Speaker 4: feel like a, Hey, I'm doing okay now and I'm
Speaker 4: getting the last laugh in this situation.
Speaker 3: And I still love beer, So.
Speaker 4: I think it's It's one of those things where I
Speaker 4: was like, I still have ownership over me and my
Speaker 4: interests in making the kind of light of a really
Speaker 4: crummy situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that, and I love that you
Speaker 2: love beer because I know I was like, actually a yeah,
Speaker 2: he I love yeah. I was actually like talking to
Speaker 2: someone that works at a brewery yesterday about how like
Speaker 2: shitty and like soogynistic and like just kind of like
Speaker 2: ugly the culture is around there, and that was a
Speaker 2: much smaller brewery than the whatever whatever company you were
Speaker 2: dealing with.
Speaker 1: I don't remember their name, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I think I think a lot of people certainly recognize
Speaker 2: the absurdity of it. Like I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of funny, like me and Carmen were like talking
Speaker 2: about like what what to say here, like what to
Speaker 2: talk about and how like dour like last like June was,
Speaker 2: and how like just really depressing of a pride month
Speaker 2: it was. But like I feel like, in a sense,
Speaker 2: like maybe this is just like some of your optimism
Speaker 2: rubbing off on me. But I feel like at a
Speaker 2: certain point people have to see how just ridiculous this is,
Speaker 2: like like stacking a can of butt lights and shooting
Speaker 2: them with a machine gun.
Speaker 1: Is so insane, Like you're actually this weird person.
Speaker 4: I say, And what I'm what I've been waiting for
Speaker 4: and what I think happened was like queer as this
Speaker 4: was I think for all of us last year. It
Speaker 4: was really scary because it felt violent and it felt
Speaker 4: like this could be a very real reflection of what
Speaker 4: can and will happen from people who are that hateful,
Speaker 4: and even if that's just starting online. And then that
Speaker 4: brands followed suit, so they believed like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: we don't want to insert ourselves into these conversations, and
Speaker 4: so Pride Month was this, Like God, it felt like
Speaker 4: we were like in a grieving process like it was.
Speaker 3: It was so weird and dark.
Speaker 4: And I think we're getting closer to now, brands and
Speaker 4: just humans in general realizing how ridiculous some of these
Speaker 4: claims are and how close minded, and it's almost like
Speaker 4: people are showing their true colors in a way that
Speaker 4: gets embarrassing because of their talk themselves into like a
Speaker 4: corner and then you realize or it might even be
Speaker 4: someone that you really enjoyed for a long time, and
Speaker 4: then one specific topic you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, like that's I don't really feel about
Speaker 3: certain things.
Speaker 4: And I'm hoping that brands will start smarting up to
Speaker 4: the fact that this is just a very specific, loud
Speaker 4: group of humans, and also like what side do they
Speaker 4: want to be on in the long run, because I
Speaker 4: will never forget the brands that have showed up and
Speaker 4: the brands that haven't, and even you know the same
Speaker 4: thing with in the industry and TV shows that have
Speaker 4: still showed up for us and haven't. And I think
Speaker 4: we got a long way to go, but we're getting
Speaker 4: closer to everyone realizing how stupid this all is.
Speaker 2: I think a big part of like why it felt
Speaker 2: so like dour was that, like I don't know, all
Speaker 2: of us have kind of like every other Pride month
Speaker 2: we've seen like every like logo like changed to like
Speaker 2: a rainbow flag and then like okay, now you support
Speaker 2: us for one month, okay, whatever, But seeing that like
Speaker 2: not happen, Like seeing like some like rapper with face
Speaker 2: tattoos saying like Target's grooming your kids, and then Target
Speaker 2: being like okay, take down the Pride section, Like why
Speaker 2: are you listening to them? Yeah, Like that's just like
Speaker 2: like seeing like that just did feel depressing. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I just I feel like the pendulum has to swing back,
Speaker 2: like that was just so abnormal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think because my whole goal with like
Speaker 4: even the initial Day's Girlhood series was like make people laugh.
Speaker 4: My content is never supposed to be melancholy or dar
Speaker 4: you know, there's moments where it has gone there, but
Speaker 4: that like I remember specifically when things were so bad,
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm either going to not put
Speaker 4: anything out right now because it's so like grim or
Speaker 4: if I'm going to put something out there, it's going
Speaker 4: to be something to make people smile, because there's not
Speaker 4: really enough of that. And I still think that is
Speaker 4: the I mean, we like queer joy is hard to
Speaker 4: find right now online just because it gets so pummeled,
Speaker 4: but we have to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Your content is like like a beacon of positivity. Like yeah,
Speaker 2: before like I knew who like you were, and I
Speaker 2: was hearing like a lot of like controversial stuff. I
Speaker 2: remember like going to your TikTok and being like, all right,
Speaker 2: well what's this all about? What's going on here? And
Speaker 2: I was shocked to see you just like filming videos
Speaker 2: of yourself like jumping in really cold water or like
Speaker 2: like feed it like going on like a safari or
Speaker 2: like I was like, this is what.
Speaker 1: People are mad about. This is crazy, Like.
Speaker 4: And I do want to do a better job, like
Speaker 4: I think Carmen Ray. Before the we hopped onto this,
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit about like what do I
Speaker 4: want to accomplish in the future this next year girlhood.
Speaker 4: I think my goal is to get people to see
Speaker 4: a more authentic side to me, because every you know,
Speaker 4: even if somebody has a conversation with me for five minutes,
Speaker 4: they know I'm not just this like person that's like
Speaker 4: they're seeing jump into cold freezing water or you know,
Speaker 4: doing an outfit of the day. I didn't mean to no, no,
Speaker 4: I actually totally agree because that is like, and especially
Speaker 4: if someone hasn't seen my greater sort of a bigger
Speaker 4: picture of what I've done on the internet, they might
Speaker 4: just think about one or two specific videos, and I
Speaker 4: want to put things out there and make things so
Speaker 4: that people can see there's a lot more to me
Speaker 4: than just those specific sides. And I will say those
Speaker 4: videos aren't a character. They aren't a character. They are me,
Speaker 4: but they're the loudest version of myself. Whereas like there's
Speaker 4: also I actually think I'm a bit of an introvert,
Speaker 4: and what happens is like I've got the theater kid
Speaker 4: energy and when I'm with myself, I feel really comfortable
Speaker 4: and safe enough to like show that off. And if
Speaker 4: I'm at an event, I can kind of put that
Speaker 4: on and and be outgoing. But a lot of the times,
Speaker 4: like I like to sit in my house by myself
Speaker 4: for like four days before going outside and doing anything.
Speaker 4: And that's something too, like that when people think of
Speaker 4: you as this like hyper person or this like really
Speaker 4: big personality and having to keep that up all the
Speaker 4: time because I am a little bit more subdued that well,
Speaker 4: a lot more subdued actually than that in general, like
Speaker 4: daily life.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that is like as a result
Speaker 1: of just kind of all of the stuff kind of
Speaker 1: wearing you down a little bit over time?
Speaker 3: For sure?
Speaker 4: For sure, I think safety I felt. I think about
Speaker 4: it like tired, being tired, and the energy, like do
Speaker 4: I have the energy right now to be the Dylan
Speaker 4: that people enjoyed from the internet. And what's also been
Speaker 4: interesting is there's a lot of people that I think
Speaker 4: followed me because they were fascinated by my body physical transition,
Speaker 4: but then don't want to stick around for what else
Speaker 4: there is to come or the they're parts of me
Speaker 4: that because I think so often in media trans people
Speaker 4: are like aggled at or looked at, like with what
Speaker 4: we've had done or what we're going to have done,
Speaker 4: you know, and then the pieces that don't include that
Speaker 4: they aren't as interested in. And it's frustrating because I
Speaker 4: now see that by by putting so much of myself
Speaker 4: out there, that that's what people wanted or thought they wanted,
Speaker 4: and now as I'm like setting boundaries with what I
Speaker 4: want to share, people might not be as interested. And
Speaker 4: it's a little frustrating. Have you felt that way when
Speaker 4: like you share your stories and your journeys.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well, Dylan, no, not quite, because I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I've just never had as many eyes
Speaker 1: on me as I have. You know, I know that
Speaker 1: you have a lot of eyes on you. I've just
Speaker 1: never had a big following. So I feel pretty free
Speaker 1: and confident to say whatever the hell comes to my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, And just like act how I feel so online,
Speaker 1: I am like a very deeply cynical, very just kind
Speaker 1: of like uh shit, posty person and that is kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit of who I am in person.
Speaker 3: But I love your stories, by the way, like you do.
Speaker 4: You do like good, like I feel like I'm catching
Speaker 4: up on the internet when I like go through your stories.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm glad. I appreciate that. That makes me
Speaker 1: feel good because I'm always worried that you're going to
Speaker 1: see something and think negatively of me. But never But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I like to just kind of be because
Speaker 1: I'm not a very positive person. I just like to
Speaker 1: be like, well, look, this is who you're going to get.
Speaker 1: And so recently here in Atlanta, we just had one
Speaker 1: of our most famous legendary drag queens passed away. Her
Speaker 1: name was mister Charlie Brown, and she self identified as
Speaker 1: a bitch. And I have been finding power in self
Speaker 1: identifying and a bit lately because it's just kind of
Speaker 1: who I am and I want people to love me
Speaker 1: for that. You know. I even have a hat here
Speaker 1: that I got recently that says my job is just bitch,
Speaker 1: you know which obviously.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm happy to have you. I will identify you
Speaker 4: as a bitch if that is what you.
Speaker 1: Want every time we talked together.
Speaker 4: So I honestly, I think a little bit of bitchiness
Speaker 4: would do me good.
Speaker 3: Like I think people well, in a way.
Speaker 2: I have to second that I want you to finish,
Speaker 2: but I totally agree.
Speaker 4: I was I think a lot of people have been
Speaker 4: kind of waiting for my villain arc and we're getting
Speaker 4: there because Dylan the villain, I I was so sort
Speaker 4: of like Pollyanna, good girl. And I did that specifically
Speaker 4: online because I knew that there were a lot of
Speaker 4: young people fought like very impressional people following me.
Speaker 1: Which is good.
Speaker 3: But at least it's thank you.
Speaker 4: But as far as like the dolls of my life
Speaker 4: who like really know me, I think have been waiting
Speaker 4: for me to be like a little like bite around
Speaker 4: the edge of yeah, because that because and I talk
Speaker 4: about like Chelsea Handler a lot, because she's such a inspiration,
Speaker 4: comedy inspiration to me growing up that like I have
Speaker 4: that raunchy side and it's slowly starting to come out
Speaker 4: and and that bite. But it is scary because I
Speaker 4: think we as trans women can't get away with especially
Speaker 4: talking publicly about certain things or other women, or or
Speaker 4: judgments or critiques or even like that was a big
Speaker 4: thing that came from the song when I released it,
Speaker 4: as like am I entitled to talk about or sing
Speaker 4: about these frivolous parts of girlhood and and the you know,
Speaker 4: and it's it's kind of a bummer. I believe I am,
Speaker 4: and that has been the debate. But I hope that
Speaker 4: we get to a place where we are valued in
Speaker 4: our opinions and not crucified for them, but we also
Speaker 4: do so I don't ever want to step on anyone's
Speaker 4: toes or make people feel like I don't value their
Speaker 4: version of womanhood or even when I think what's tricky
Speaker 4: is like when they when a woman has a critique
Speaker 4: of me and it maybe isn't in my favor, and
Speaker 4: I have to decipher in that moment, is this something
Speaker 4: that's being said to like help me or is it
Speaker 4: just purely to hurt me, And especially if that has
Speaker 4: anything to do with like their desire for me to
Speaker 4: de transition or them misgendering me. Oftentimes I have to
Speaker 4: initially just put that aside and I can't even listen
Speaker 4: to it, and that's so spam.
Speaker 3: Yes, that goes into the delegue.
Speaker 4: But I will say, like for people who do have
Speaker 4: critiques of someone like me or the dolls, I think
Speaker 4: making sure that they aren't misgendering us within the context
Speaker 4: of it and trying to find the respect so that
Speaker 4: we are able to hear them and their thoughts. And
Speaker 4: I really do, like honestly online, if I'm watching another
Speaker 4: trans person critique me, those are the people that I want.
Speaker 3: To be hearing from.
Speaker 4: And of course sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish this
Speaker 4: wasn't on TikTok. I wish this was like in our
Speaker 4: messages or on a caller. Yeah, Like, and I granted
Speaker 4: I don't see all of those, but at least when
Speaker 4: I'm watching them generally, it's not out of a place
Speaker 4: of like hate or anything. It's like out of a
Speaker 4: place of like wanting me to improve, which makes me
Speaker 4: feel good.
Speaker 1: Right, And I want to talk about a moment like that,
Speaker 1: if it's okay, you had a moment like that that
Speaker 1: really stuck out for me because I remember watching it
Speaker 1: in real time and being like, wow, this was really
Speaker 1: like a powerful moment between two women. But the moment
Speaker 1: with Laverne on the red carpet, oh.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Of course, So that's that's another moment of like media literacy,
Speaker 4: because outside of what we saw in the video, me
Speaker 4: and Laverne had the most amazing interaction and like it
Speaker 4: was truly one of my and again she was also
Speaker 4: at work. She's like on the red carpet hosting. So
Speaker 4: this is a really like tiny moment, but a really
Speaker 4: beautiful one behind the scenes. And I left that sort
Speaker 4: of just feeling really connected with her and really joyous.
Speaker 4: And then obviously the Internet perceived it in a different
Speaker 4: kind of way, and it was good because it flagged
Speaker 4: moments of me, you know, interrupting her me, you know,
Speaker 4: being that was I was just so nervous to even
Speaker 4: get to speak with her.
Speaker 3: And now I've seen her at many.
Speaker 4: Events, we're in cahoots where she's someone that I consider
Speaker 4: like a mentor role model type. And I that's when
Speaker 4: the Internet, I think, can take something and turn it
Speaker 4: a little bit ugly.
Speaker 3: Souine. I really think, yes.
Speaker 4: A genuine moment between two trans women and it's like
Speaker 4: they almost want to pit us against each other, and
Speaker 4: we can't let that happen. And I think that is
Speaker 4: when I look back at there were a few moments
Speaker 4: where I like either was acknowledging another trans person's critique
Speaker 4: of me publicly or you know, kind of like fighting words.
Speaker 4: Those are the moments that I don't feel proud of,
Speaker 4: Like I think, like I think the best thing we
Speaker 4: can do as a community is really try to figure
Speaker 4: our shit out privately, not behind closed doors, but like, yeah,
Speaker 4: just really trying to get on the same page so
Speaker 4: that we are as united as possible when it comes
Speaker 4: to how we're being perceived online and in public. And
Speaker 4: but that's tricky because you know, again there's so many
Speaker 4: different versions of dullhood.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: You mentioned how like kind of like being more like
Speaker 2: careful about what you say in your public persona, and
Speaker 2: you're right that like a lot of you know, uh,
Speaker 2: you're right to just like be yourself and all the
Speaker 2: time and create what you want. And a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, like conservative types and the Ohio moms are
Speaker 2: not going to like get down with it, and that
Speaker 2: is just going to kind of be what it does.
Speaker 4: Do both of you feel like, like, first of all,
Speaker 4: do you feel like an activist? And two did you
Speaker 4: feel like that was something that was expected of you
Speaker 4: when you transition?
Speaker 1: That's a really great question. Well, I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: that when I transitioned, because when I transitioned, the landscape
Speaker 1: was so different. I transitioned before Caitlin, and that was
Speaker 1: like I mark Caitlin. I marked Caitlyn coming out as
Speaker 1: like when BC before K.
Speaker 3: That's funny, BC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want to give her that twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: but no, I marked that as like the era when
Speaker 1: like everyone became very like aware of trans people. It
Speaker 1: was a turning game, yeah, for sure. And it was
Speaker 1: like pretty much impossible to be like a stealth transperson
Speaker 1: at that point, just because like everyone knew what a
Speaker 1: transperson looked like, the little dog, I know what you are,
Speaker 1: the Whitney tras, the homophobic dog. But when I started
Speaker 1: making the show, my first season of the podcast, I
Speaker 1: really felt like I had to be an activist and
Speaker 1: I had to be like a role model and YadA YadA, yadh.
Speaker 1: But after my first season of the podcast and I
Speaker 1: got into the second and then now the third, I
Speaker 1: like kind of dropped all of that because it really
Speaker 1: was not authentic to me, and I realized, like that
Speaker 1: just kind of being who I am and just But
Speaker 1: I do think when you're in such like a public
Speaker 1: eye like you are, people are going to place that
Speaker 1: pressure on you, especially as a trans woman, a newly
Speaker 1: out trans woman, and then you're damned if you do
Speaker 1: and damned if you don't, which I think is the
Speaker 1: funniest thing about it, Like you're forced into this position
Speaker 1: of like being like an activist, like martyr type figure,
Speaker 1: but then like some people think like it's too way
Speaker 1: too soon for Dylan to be like this activist or like,
Speaker 1: you know, and then other people.
Speaker 4: But if you're not, you have this platform and you're
Speaker 4: sort of using it exactly right. Yeah, Jane, do you
Speaker 4: feel the same, uh?
Speaker 1: Kind of?
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: I've always been a very like I know, even like
Speaker 2: pre transition, I've just I've just always been who I
Speaker 2: am and I've always kind of I mean like yeah,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like I just always felt like.
Speaker 1: That my authenticity.
Speaker 2: I think that there's there's like two types of people
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, And this is definitely something
Speaker 2: I've learned from like working service industry in my whole life.
Speaker 2: There's the people that are going to see you being
Speaker 2: authentic and appreciate that, and then there's going to be
Speaker 2: people that just want to see, you know, something else
Speaker 2: out of you. Like if I'm bartending and I'm having
Speaker 2: a bad day, I'm probably going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit less.
Speaker 1: Patient and a little more bitchy.
Speaker 2: And I think that there is going to be people
Speaker 2: that will come up and we'll see, oh damn, she's
Speaker 2: very busy. It's she's probably been here a long time,
Speaker 2: and they'll probably like appreciate that. And then there's people
Speaker 2: that just wanted me to be like.
Speaker 1: Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2: Can I get you any It's like, I I just
Speaker 2: I feel like that's very dehumanizing to me, and so
Speaker 2: I've always just kind of made it a point to
Speaker 2: like be who I am as much as I can
Speaker 2: be who I am, because I get very like depressed
Speaker 2: when I'm not. It really really affects my mental health
Speaker 2: when I have to like always kind of be like
Speaker 2: performing what I think like other.
Speaker 1: People like want to see out of me.
Speaker 2: So I've I've always tried to be like very authentic
Speaker 2: in that regard.
Speaker 4: I feel like early on people wanted me to be
Speaker 4: an activist, but like their idea of like transactivists, and
Speaker 4: even like I remember getting asked to go to the
Speaker 4: White House and I was like why why am I? Like?
Speaker 3: Why am I doing this right?
Speaker 4: And I say, and that is what I'll say is
Speaker 4: people like how could you take that thing?
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean if somebody else wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I now know my strengths, and I know
Speaker 1: my weaknesses.
Speaker 4: My strengths are, you know, I love performing, like I
Speaker 4: really want my version of like how I show up
Speaker 4: in the world eventually to be more in the scripted
Speaker 4: space and in more of like the hosting space, and
Speaker 4: not directly need thinking of Dylan as an act, Like
Speaker 4: if you ever see Dylan molvany activist, it's because somebody else.
Speaker 3: Wrote that I did. Not about myself ever.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a really common thing, and sadly,
Speaker 2: like it's common from both sides. Like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of like more like liberal leaning people who see any
Speaker 2: famous trans person like, oh, Hunter Shaffer's an act of us,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, but it's also it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a conservative thing because if you look like online,
Speaker 2: a lot of like turfs and stuff will refer to
Speaker 2: like all trans people as like tras or like trans
Speaker 2: rights acts of us, right, And I feel like it's
Speaker 2: a very sly way of like politicizing something. And I
Speaker 2: guess that's more This is more kind of a roundabout
Speaker 2: way to answer your question, is that yes, I don't
Speaker 2: feel like my transness is political. I just am trans,
Speaker 2: Like I have a lot of political opinions. I'm very
Speaker 2: free to share them, but I don't think that my
Speaker 2: transness is one of them.
Speaker 1: I just am trans. Like that's not like political to me.
Speaker 2: So when people try to make it seem like you're
Speaker 2: an activist just for being trans, it's like a weird
Speaker 2: way of kind of trying. It's like kind of trying
Speaker 2: to like sumear you in a way, yes, and.
Speaker 4: By also by if somebody like introduces you in the
Speaker 4: context of like, oh, this is a transactivist. And then
Speaker 4: if I am put in a position where I'm asked
Speaker 4: something that I'm I don't have all the facts on,
Speaker 4: or if I'm you know, then get into some sort
Speaker 4: of debate that I'm not ready to have it, then
Speaker 4: kind of like it it looks bad for all of
Speaker 4: us because I wasn't ready to do that and I
Speaker 4: didn't want to take that title on. Yeah, So I
Speaker 4: think right now my two lanes that like I talked
Speaker 4: about this in the video that I made for a
Speaker 4: year two but I really think based on everything that
Speaker 4: I've dealt with in the media and the brand landscape,
Speaker 4: I really want to find ways to get trans people
Speaker 4: back out into the sort of the bigger media landscape
Speaker 4: of advertising and as well as scripted, and trying to
Speaker 4: make sure that these companies and organizations, production companies, studios
Speaker 4: aren't capitalizing on us in the wrong ways but are
Speaker 4: really leaning into like, yes, I think they exploit that.
Speaker 4: That's key, but also not like turning their backs on
Speaker 4: us all together, because I think when we say please
Speaker 4: don't exploit us, some people then go, okay, then we
Speaker 4: won't use you at all. And that's the final line
Speaker 4: of like, okay, great, then let's figure out what that means.
Speaker 4: And then I also like, yeah, I love Broadway, like
Speaker 4: I'm a fucking Broadway girl, and it's a really crappy
Speaker 4: landscape right now for trans people and commercial theater, and
Speaker 4: so I want to figure that out too.
Speaker 3: But that's like two little tiny.
Speaker 4: Versions of activism that I feel like I can really
Speaker 4: speak on. And then as I feel more ready to
Speaker 4: have some of the more difficult discussions, I'm the first
Speaker 4: one to be like, Okay, now I'm ready to do that,
Speaker 4: but I have to like privately learn how to do
Speaker 4: that first.
Speaker 2: Right, And and again, like it's something that like you'll
Speaker 2: get from both sides, because like, yeah, like being positioned
Speaker 2: as an activist, like everything you say will be like
Speaker 2: held up to like that higher pedestal. And yeah, like
Speaker 2: conservative people will do what they always do. But you'll
Speaker 2: also get a lot of cynicism from like especially like
Speaker 2: very like online like trans people who like and I
Speaker 2: don't know, I've always tried to like make a point
Speaker 2: with this show to like, you know, like not engage
Speaker 2: with that, because the cynicism from like trans people is
Speaker 2: something that I understand, you know.
Speaker 3: And sometimes warranted, like like even towards me.
Speaker 4: I'm ever, if I've watched a video of a trans
Speaker 4: woman speaking ill of me, it can be frustrating, but
Speaker 4: at the same time, like I would never like wish
Speaker 4: them ill because of it or not be open to
Speaker 4: like communicating further. And I think we're you know, we
Speaker 4: don't all have to be BFFs, but right I hopefully
Speaker 4: we can find.
Speaker 1: We can be annoying, Yeah, be annoying.
Speaker 4: I just wish there was like a level of respect
Speaker 4: and humanity, And I've seen some people do that really
Speaker 4: really well when critiquing others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a big difference between like, you know,
Speaker 2: someone making a cynical critique that comes from like a
Speaker 2: place of like hate and discuss and yeah, and one
Speaker 2: that comes from like yeah, like the trans person, like
Speaker 2: critiquing you. You know, they might be in bad faiths
Speaker 2: to a degree, but they probably don't like hate you
Speaker 2: or like hate trans people, you know, like they're probably
Speaker 2: just it's I don't know, it's coming from a different place.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's like important to like always
Speaker 2: kind of like be aware of as like trans people
Speaker 2: in the media.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, Dylan, I want to try and kind of wrap
Speaker 1: up talking about what we're looking forward to in the
Speaker 1: next year of girlhood, okay, which you kind of teasing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want to know Janie and I really want
Speaker 1: to know when, if and if when are we going
Speaker 1: to get an album?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that in the world as a full length
Speaker 2: producers features?
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 4: I think after last week, I am I'm not running
Speaker 4: into the studio to make it. I would love music
Speaker 4: to be something that feels like every so often like
Speaker 4: little gift to myself if I have really something that
Speaker 4: I want to share and funny enough, I I actually
Speaker 4: love listening to Joni Mitchell and Brandy Carlyle and Carol King,
Speaker 4: like that's my kind of favorite music.
Speaker 3: So I could see later in my life.
Speaker 1: Maybe a folk album. She's coming out with a focus.
Speaker 4: Yes, a little folky or maybe country, could you imagine
Speaker 4: very I.
Speaker 1: Love I love making a country album.
Speaker 4: It right, So no, you're going to be holding your
Speaker 4: breath for a long time before waiting on an album.
Speaker 3: But I I am. I love trying everything.
Speaker 4: And I think we've got a podcast that we might
Speaker 4: be seeing this year, Carmen Wing, and then my book
Speaker 4: I think will be coming out next year, which so
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of things to look forward to.
Speaker 4: And and the way that the Internet has worked is
Speaker 4: like everything has to be so fat, like it needs
Speaker 4: to happen so fast. And I'm now excited to just
Speaker 4: like sit back and let some of the longer they
Speaker 4: form things and projects start to really come to fruition,
Speaker 4: especially because like this is an election year, it's going
Speaker 4: to be really polarizing in general, Like I don't want
Speaker 4: to be like oversaturating the internet or media with like
Speaker 4: my face everywhere, so being really particular about why and
Speaker 4: what I'm putting out there. What do what do y'all
Speaker 4: want from your next year?
Speaker 1: From my next year? I want my insurance to approve
Speaker 1: my facial feminization surgery because they've denied it three times.
Speaker 3: And what the hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I had to switch I have It's a
Speaker 1: long story, Dylline. I've had to switch insurances, I've had
Speaker 1: to switch doctors. It will get covered. I will be
Speaker 1: having this FFS hopefully. I've just let me do like I'm.
Speaker 4: Just me and Janie were just give us like a
Speaker 4: scalpel and it'll be great.
Speaker 1: To me as a scalpel and some morphine and I
Speaker 1: will go down on you. But now it's looking like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like one big thing that I that
Speaker 1: was on my last year of girlhood. But I spent
Speaker 1: a whole year with an insurance company and a doctor
Speaker 1: that wouldn't that just didn't work. So it's on this
Speaker 1: year for girlhood for me.
Speaker 2: Well mentioned this a few times, But I have an
Speaker 2: album coming out, my second Top.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just released a new single for it, Karma
Speaker 2: and in the music video, well she's in the music
Speaker 2: the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, i'll send it to you.
Speaker 2: I actually have it up because I was just sending
Speaker 2: it to Kurt, But yeah, I'll send it to you
Speaker 2: if you want to see it.
Speaker 1: It's very punk. Yeah, I have a new album coming out.
Speaker 1: It should be out by June.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited about that because really like the
Speaker 2: album was finished, like writing it last year. I've just
Speaker 2: spent like over a year just like tweaking it and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is what I love to do. Like I
Speaker 2: love to make music, I love to perform, I love
Speaker 2: making art. Making this video too was like a blast,
Speaker 2: like getting able to like script it, get everyone together.
Speaker 1: It was a very like communal release party at Mary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was so cool, Like it was really like and
Speaker 2: also like playing shows like last year. Each year like
Speaker 2: since I've started the Janey Danger like project has been
Speaker 2: better than the last one. So yeah, And I'm just
Speaker 2: like a girl in my room, like I just make
Speaker 2: all this ship like in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: We're all just I'm a girl in my closet right now.
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry about that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: She does this, she does so yeah, the new album.
Speaker 2: I'm also getting my my first surgery. Uh it's not
Speaker 2: gender confirming. I just have a deviated septum and need
Speaker 2: to get that so.
Speaker 1: On tour.
Speaker 2: And also I looked this up because I thought this
Speaker 2: was funny. Dylan do you know what a day? Are
Speaker 2: you still counting days?
Speaker 3: Or okay, day seven thirty? Oh god? Now trigger where
Speaker 3: seven point thirty was there? Seven? What's today?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: The twenty March? We're recording this one forty three seven
Speaker 1: forty three? Okay, amazing? That sounds like a lucky number
Speaker 1: Angel numbers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, seven four three sure?
Speaker 1: Seven seven seven is going to be your lucky day?
Speaker 1: Do you count it from like when you started hormones
Speaker 1: or just like the day that you woke up publicly?
Speaker 4: But I started hormones like maybe four months ahead of that,
Speaker 4: but really this is the tea. Also, at one point,
Speaker 4: my hormones like got off and and like the my
Speaker 4: numbers like completely went in the wrong direction for like
Speaker 4: whatever reason I could tell you, and I like I
Speaker 4: went into a doctor and he was like, okay, so
Speaker 4: basically this last year didn't really count, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like just erasing all the ex's on your calend.
Speaker 4: I thank you so much now from what I feel like,
Speaker 4: the moans are yeh yeah, but that's also like like
Speaker 4: uh in the grand scheme of things, like I talked
Speaker 4: about this too, but I can't watch to my mom
Speaker 4: And I was four there were moments of high school
Speaker 4: where like I would have loved to have transitioned.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you you wouldn't have finished
Speaker 1: high school. You would have become a drug addict.
Speaker 4: Oh oh my god, it was just sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh I I just.
Speaker 4: Don't want people to think that it's like seven thirty
Speaker 4: of like getting an idea to be a one, because
Speaker 4: that was so and most people don't again like media,
Speaker 4: I'm curiously no, it's it's but I will say the
Speaker 4: fact that I can now go back and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: on day three, like my memory has gotten so much
Speaker 4: better because I have these like references for things that
Speaker 4: sounds amazing like it I feel like it's like fighting
Speaker 4: dementia because I'm really I'm like, I'm with it.
Speaker 1: Generally it's good.
Speaker 2: So you've heard it here. First, folks, if you transition,
Speaker 2: you will never get dementia.
Speaker 4: So and you make a video every single day documenting
Speaker 4: what you're doing, you will have a decent memory.
Speaker 1: That is similar to what happens in fifty. First, imagine
Speaker 1: if you woke up on day three sixty five and
Speaker 1: you forgot everything.
Speaker 4: Honestly great like that, if I could forget all of
Speaker 4: the trauma would it would be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then it wouldn't have made you who you are.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't made all. It doesn't kill you what strong strong.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sing it because I'm not a
Speaker 1: good singer. But well, Dylan, but you were in the
Speaker 1: music I was in the music video.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was one of the music video girls in my
Speaker 1: thong and my I was, I was made. I made.
Speaker 1: I've made like a bunch of like spooky masks out
Speaker 1: of real process by the way, which I was allergic
Speaker 1: out of dead, which I was very allergic. Was like
Speaker 1: I have analogies.
Speaker 2: So just when you watch this, yeah, I think part
Speaker 2: of making art is like poisoning people, like a little
Speaker 2: buzz sprinkling some toxicity around.
Speaker 1: Well, Dylan, it was amazing talking to you today. I
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for taking the time. Thank you
Speaker 1: to be here with us. No, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Huge.
Speaker 1: This is a huge moment for translated. Okay, this is huge.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's funny because I was like getting ready
Speaker 4: to do it's like I'm not going to wear any makeup,
Speaker 4: Like it was like I like I thought there was
Speaker 4: something nice.
Speaker 3: About going on beauty translated with a bare face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look beautiful, he looks. I usually do you
Speaker 1: just roll out of bed and.
Speaker 3: Just like and do the damn thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who are we talking to?
Speaker 3: I do like that? Is that a red lip?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love it. Brands this they're basic brands.
Speaker 1: She does it?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thank you, yeah, thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we really appreciate this, and good luck on your three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 2: ten and forever girlhood, you know.
Speaker 3: And hopefully we'll be together in person at some point.
Speaker 1: That would be really about we're coming to La. We
Speaker 1: gotta we'll go to get me out of George. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not the first guests to invite us, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully the invitees open.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, the beauty translated yeah in La. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Dylan. Thanks thanks for listening to our interview
Speaker 1: with Dylan Mlvaaney. We're going to take some calls from
Speaker 1: our lovely listener.
Speaker 3: Hello beauty.
Speaker 5: So back in the end of like January, you both
Speaker 5: listened to my rapper situation or hey guess mc as
Speaker 5: Jane referred to him. But he is gone now and
Speaker 5: sadly I have lost all of my hostes and the
Speaker 5: inbox is quite empty. So I was wondering, with summer approaching,
Speaker 5: do you think is a good idea for me to
Speaker 5: get back on the app now? Or kind of go
Speaker 5: old school?
Speaker 3: And do I think it's called a meet cute?
Speaker 5: And the kids say, please give me your thoughts, share
Speaker 5: inspiration of maybe a summer romance, or you know, maybe
Speaker 5: give me one that went horribly wrong. I could use
Speaker 5: either at this point, much love to you both.
Speaker 1: Can I jump in first and say, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fucking meat cute? It's like a movie. It's
Speaker 1: like a movie trup.
Speaker 2: That's not in the Bible, And I don't think you
Speaker 2: should do that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a your movie head, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to know what a meat cute is? What movie? Is
Speaker 1: that a movie? They bump into each other and I
Speaker 1: fall in love. I spilled my coffee on you, and
Speaker 1: I fell in love with you. That's a meat cute.
Speaker 2: Oh Like when the nerdy girl like, oh, I dropped
Speaker 2: all my papers, The handsome guy picks up all her
Speaker 2: papers and then notices one of them is like for
Speaker 2: a bottom surgery confirmation and looks at her and it's like, no, kitten,
Speaker 2: you can't flip your wings.
Speaker 1: Like that and then they fall in love. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: exactly that is a meat cute and also the plot
Speaker 1: of a movie.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I was about to say slump. It's like
Speaker 2: how how to chase a girl in ten days or
Speaker 2: how to be a chaser in ten ways? Yeah, ten
Speaker 2: things I chase about you anyway, American chase her. I
Speaker 2: think she should just go to some rat bottles, find
Speaker 2: find like a real see because this I like I said,
Speaker 2: when your first call, you were you're messing around with.
Speaker 1: The suck at MC big times see. Yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, go to a good eight mile style
Speaker 1: rap battle. Yeah, find you the guy, hook up with
Speaker 1: the guy who.
Speaker 2: Go to go to the men's restroom, find the guy
Speaker 2: that's like wretching and go in there and be like,
Speaker 2: be rabbit, you can do this. You got this ship,
Speaker 2: and uh, he's gonna go out there, he's gonna fucking
Speaker 2: kill it, and then you're gonna suck the absolute life
Speaker 2: out of his dick in the parking lot. Be eight inches.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you should attempt to meet cute,
Speaker 1: but you should like follow a man into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: That's what Jane and I are suggesting that, like, oh me,
Speaker 1: what am I doing in here?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I just came to give you some words of encouragement.
Speaker 2: Or maybe do a thing where you write down a
Speaker 2: bunch of your hardest bars and have them like handwritten,
Speaker 2: like on a bunch of loose papers and then wrap
Speaker 2: like or then go into a rap bottle and like
Speaker 2: drop them in front of the guy like, oh, all
Speaker 2: my bars everywhere, Oh my gosh, all my firefucking bars,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be like, damn, this bitch is spitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's probably the best advice I've given on this
Speaker 1: show so far. So yeah, I think we need to
Speaker 1: just ditch the apps. Even though I met my boyfriend
Speaker 1: on an app, I think it's time to ditch the
Speaker 1: apps and go analog. Baby.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's maybe unless there was an app like instead
Speaker 2: of like grinder, it's like wrapper where it's where's where
Speaker 2: you can find dope emces, hot.
Speaker 1: Soccer emces near you, dope EMCs near you. These soccer
Speaker 1: EMCs need your bars. These soccer EMCs want to steal
Speaker 1: your flows. Right now, I think you should get ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve and get on it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my advice. Yeah, shall we take the next one? Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's see what our other our final call of the show.
Speaker 2: Let's see what they got for us.
Speaker 6: Hi, longtime listener, one time guest, first time caller. I
Speaker 6: have always thought I was a lesbian, but have lately
Speaker 6: tried to like started thinking about, like what would it
Speaker 6: be like to be with a man. I listened to
Speaker 6: a lot of true crime, and I'm terrified of men.
Speaker 6: So I was wondering if you had any advice for
Speaker 6: those of us who are having our second to sexual
Speaker 6: awakening or third whatever and want to take steps towards
Speaker 6: cooking up with a guy but are scared and clueless.
Speaker 5: Thanks love y'all. Bye.
Speaker 2: Stop listening to true crime. Yeah, that's gonna be my
Speaker 2: first This is a firmly anti true crime podcast, so
Speaker 2: that's gonna be my first piece of advice.
Speaker 1: To I'll ruin dick for you, for sure.
Speaker 2: It is garbage that is only there to like make
Speaker 2: you more afraid to dude.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I genuinely think like there is this is conspiracy brain
Speaker 2: Cheney coming out, but I think I'm right that there
Speaker 2: is some kind of connection between like the rise in
Speaker 2: true crime podcasts and the Rise, and like security state
Speaker 2: technology like ring doorbells and like people who put like
Speaker 2: cameras in their house.
Speaker 1: I can say I used to dabble in true crime
Speaker 1: podcasts back in the day, like when I first started
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts. I don't like them anymore because I
Speaker 1: need I don't need, I need to fucking laugh, okay,
Speaker 1: And they intentionally like the ads that they have are
Speaker 1: like for simply safe and for like ring and for
Speaker 1: like other home security type things, and it's just so telling.
Speaker 1: It is very telling. They're literally scaring the shit out
Speaker 1: of you and then they go to an ad break
Speaker 1: and they try to sell you home security. It would
Speaker 1: be like if I told you that you are extremely
Speaker 1: clocky and bricky and blah blah blah and cut ads
Speaker 1: offs vfs and fucking like find a surgeon near you.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I think you just found a really
Speaker 2: good pitch for our next show. But yeah, podcast the Swan, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah have you seen the Curse? I
Speaker 2: remember talking about this on episode one, But there's a
Speaker 2: very funny bit and where Benny Saftey is like, this
Speaker 2: was my show and it's like like a bunch of
Speaker 2: like twelve women who are like vying for the love
Speaker 2: of like a burn victim.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, pretty pretty tangential. But I have not
Speaker 1: seen that it's a funny show. Yeah, uh, okay, men
Speaker 1: are not that hard to hook up with. I will
Speaker 1: say that is true. You don't have to do a lot.
Speaker 1: Men are not used to receiving compliments. Compliment them, and
Speaker 1: then instantly they'll just be you know, And I would say,
Speaker 1: it's probably harder to hook up with a woman. But
Speaker 1: you know what, I've actually never tried. Oh no way, nope,
Speaker 1: it's it's about it's about even it's.
Speaker 2: About fifty to fifty honestly, Like, well, look, I understand
Speaker 2: being a little more cautious of guys. They're they're strong,
Speaker 2: like they're like there is they're scary legitimately reasons to
Speaker 2: be like trepidacious there Yeah, But that being said, like
Speaker 2: you can't go around your whole life just being afraid
Speaker 2: of the world around you like that. There's plenty of
Speaker 2: guys that are nice and chill. And as a firm
Speaker 2: rule that I've always kind of like uh said, when
Speaker 2: giving like girls advice about like cooking up with men, like.
Speaker 1: It's a lot more comfortable to like.
Speaker 2: Maybe find like like honestly like bisexual guys, like guys
Speaker 2: that you won't have to worry about like the murdering
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, because yeah, yeah, guys
Speaker 2: that are like generally like more aware murder off. They're
Speaker 2: like sexual like desires their sexual orientation. Like honestly, there
Speaker 2: is a contingent of like I don't like using the
Speaker 2: word chaser, like when it's like misapplied, but because I
Speaker 2: think that like many a man being attracted to trans
Speaker 2: women is like fine, but like not automorly yeah right, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: And but there is like a contingent of guys that
Speaker 2: are just aware that they like trans women and will
Speaker 2: be like very forward about it. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: as long as it's a guy who's going to take
Speaker 2: you on a date, hold your hands in public, treat
Speaker 2: you nice, and not be ashamed of you, that's probably
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna be normal, un chill and like
Speaker 2: someone that you can like trust intimately.
Speaker 1: Like that I will say. From from the apps, I mean,
Speaker 1: the apps are I think essential for quit hashtag girls
Speaker 1: like us in that sense, because you're really able to
Speaker 1: do a lot of vetting on a aapp. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, Janey, but on an app, I can
Speaker 1: instantly tell when a guy is an asshole and not
Speaker 1: oh I can't. So I'm like, yeah, no, you're like not,
Speaker 1: Like I can just tell by if they're wearing Oakley's
Speaker 1: if he won't show his face, that's no.
Speaker 2: It's like just there's certain rules like that, like if
Speaker 2: he won't show his face, then don't go out with him,
Speaker 2: like just period blank period. Yeah, if he if he
Speaker 2: only wants to like look up behind closed doors, I
Speaker 2: mean granted, yeah, maybe, like yeah, if that's what you want.
Speaker 2: But generally speaking, like I think that that is a
Speaker 2: bigger red flag, then it might be worse.
Speaker 1: That's rodding, let me tell you, because those guys are
Speaker 1: so fucking in their head that they will make up
Speaker 1: any kind of scenario that you're telling people about it,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, oh, I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: really happens. But like those guys that are like super
Speaker 1: like oh we got to keep it quiet or whatever,
Speaker 1: they're just like yeah, crazy, they're crazy.
Speaker 2: Or they could be like cheating on their like partner
Speaker 2: in a way that you don't want to be entangled
Speaker 2: with then you're going to have like we've talked about that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I told you about the little the short, little Italian
Speaker 2: girl that like drove to my house. Like you don't
Speaker 2: want to deal with something like that, like just get you,
Speaker 2: like if you can find someone who yeah, if you're
Speaker 2: on an app and you find someone who will show
Speaker 2: his face, or if you're in public and you find
Speaker 2: someone who like approaches you and is like you know,
Speaker 2: it isn't going to be like you're not going to
Speaker 2: have like a crying game like type situation.
Speaker 1: I think you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, relationships are tricky and I can't make any
Speaker 2: like promises after that.
Speaker 1: But like you know, I don't think you can go
Speaker 1: around your whole life.
Speaker 2: Being like scared that like someone's gonna like murder you,
Speaker 2: because I mean my house could collapse right now on
Speaker 2: top of me and kill me like it's and I
Speaker 2: have to me's fucking too. So yeah, then I won't
Speaker 2: have to pay rent this month. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that about does a Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say too, just like any guy with
Speaker 1: tattoos usually a good guy to go for piercings, you
Speaker 1: know that. Being said, I have a boyfriend with zero
Speaker 1: piercings and zero tattoos. Software engineers always want to fuck
Speaker 1: the dolls. Okay, true, find you a software engineer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they make good money too, they do weah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're I think this listener lives in New York,
Speaker 1: and I just know that there are some Oh come on, yeah,
Speaker 1: doll eleven men? What are we go down to? What's
Speaker 1: that bar that everybody goes to? Fuck? I can't there
Speaker 1: like a meme about it that goes around online like
Speaker 1: saw those uh mean transsexual outside smoking a cigarette and
Speaker 1: she's not a lesbian or something like that? What cut all? This?
Speaker 1: This is brambling. This is like brain less rambling. Okay, well, y'all,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for all of your your many
Speaker 1: many hours of listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I may, I just want to I want
Speaker 2: to thank everyone that I reached out to that took
Speaker 2: the time to come on the show. Thanks again to
Speaker 2: Dylan mulvaney, Thanks to Hala Hessa, Liz Vera, Drew Domino,
Speaker 2: the Girls Like the Girls, thanks to Sophie, thanks to Yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks to Josh Indrementum. These are all great people and
Speaker 2: I'm glad, Uh, I'm glad that I got to introduce
Speaker 2: them to this audience. I'm glad that you know, to
Speaker 2: kind of cross pollinate audiences like that, because I think
Speaker 2: that they all make very very worthwhile stuff, very very
Speaker 2: talented writers, comedians, creators, and yeah, I just want to
Speaker 2: thank them all for taking time out of their day
Speaker 2: to come join us and.
Speaker 1: Talk about some bullshit. It really, it really does mean
Speaker 1: a lot to me. Thanks to Jessin, Kurt, the producers,
Speaker 1: and thank you to my best friend Carmen. I love you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me do this with you. It was
Speaker 1: so much fun. And thank you for making this season
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. This isn't it for Janie and I. We
Speaker 1: are working on another project, so stay tuned. I love
Speaker 1: working with Janie so much and she really brings out
Speaker 1: the comedian and me. So she and I are going
Speaker 1: to be brainstorming some ideas for the future. So stay
Speaker 1: tuned and keep your eyes on the feet. You never
Speaker 1: know I might pop on here with some surprises of
Speaker 1: what we've got, what we've got coming up and stuff.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, thank y'all so much for your many
Speaker 1: hours of listening to Beauty translated. Thank you for following
Speaker 1: me from the very start when I just started, and
Speaker 1: all of the amazing guests that I was able to
Speaker 1: get on the podcast over the time, you know, it
Speaker 1: was absolutely incredible, and I'm just, you know, really proud
Speaker 1: of what we've done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too. I'm very proud of the show.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm very fortunate to I've gotten to do
Speaker 2: this and to have this opportunity. So thanks to iHeart,
Speaker 2: thanks to anyone that I may have forgotten to mention,
Speaker 2: and thanks to any new people, new people that supported
Speaker 2: that like the music, came to the shows called in
Speaker 2: really appreciate all the callings.
Speaker 1: It's like, I really did not expect.
Speaker 2: So many just like sincere like people like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I expected so much like bullshit, But every almost every
Speaker 2: call we got was just a very like sincere, like
Speaker 2: queer person that like wanted to connect them. I know,
Speaker 2: we made a lot of like jokes and stuff, and
Speaker 2: that's fun. It's a it's a comedy show. But there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of people that have reached out to
Speaker 2: me and said like that we actually helped them, and
Speaker 2: I'm really.
Speaker 1: Glad we could do that. So thank you. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry we had to end this on like a somber note.
Speaker 2: But we've had a lot of fun here, so I
Speaker 2: feel like you deserve a little dose of illness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Welcome to the Welcome to the real
Speaker 1: fucking world. Bit take your hormones, it's the real world.
Speaker 2: Me and Carmen will be back together in some capacity soon,
Speaker 2: back in the cot. We'll be we'll be hanging out,
Speaker 2: we'll be going to movies, we'll be chilling and hopefully
Speaker 2: we can cook up something for you in the future.
Speaker 1: And I hope to see you guys there. So thank
Speaker 1: you all. Yeah, thank you guys so much. We really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you beauties, and we hope you follow
Speaker 1: us on our next yearn Yeah, thank you beauties. Goodbye,
Speaker 1: what beautiful Forever.