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Speaker 4: We already did this, just yes, just as a whole
Speaker 4: we were We did twenty minutes on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep, I let you do minutes on that.
Speaker 4: It was important.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Let the story of the game. That was the story
Speaker 4: of the game, Evan.
Speaker 2: I know, That's why I had to talk about it,
Speaker 2: you know, to do his job. It's painful. It's pa.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that that we have to
Speaker 2: talk about on this show that are painful to me.
Speaker 2: One of them is is game management, time management, like
Speaker 2: did he timeouts at the right time? Did they manage
Speaker 2: the clock correctly? Did they challenge this play or not
Speaker 2: challenge that play like that? That stuff is insufferable. It's insufferable.
Speaker 2: The other thing that is insufferable is our conversation off
Speaker 2: the air about one Bill Belichick and just me having
Speaker 2: to talk about this is I I did not want to.
Speaker 2: I did not want to.
Speaker 4: I I didn't didn't think you're gonna have to said
Speaker 4: it was a non story.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. That's not what I said. That's
Speaker 2: not what I said. We'll get to Bill here in
Speaker 2: a second. It's obviously the story that day. I think
Speaker 2: his introductory press conference is going on as we speak,
Speaker 2: are about to start any minute now. So it was
Speaker 2: a two o'clock press conference, but we know from Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick press conference. Yeah, maybe he's a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that, and I have some draft takes.
Speaker 2: The championship weekend in college football was last weekend during
Speaker 2: the bye so I did watch quite a bit of
Speaker 2: those games, and I have some opinions. I know, Uh
Speaker 2: it was it. Connor Connolly, the connorly, the Oregon tackle
Speaker 2: is as I know him, you know, caught some eyes.
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter had another impressive game as well. Uh. So
Speaker 2: we'll talk some draft here today and some offseason as well,
Speaker 2: and maybe preview a little Cardinals. So that that's the show.
Speaker 2: It's a little weird show because we don't have a
Speaker 2: game of what from the Bible. I guess we probably
Speaker 2: should have done like you could have done season.
Speaker 4: I guess we could just do like buy week ups
Speaker 4: and downs, so the bill stuff, the college football playoffs,
Speaker 4: just whatever, three things that were up and three things
Speaker 4: that were down in the football world during the last week.
Speaker 2: Okay, would you like to do that?
Speaker 4: No, we can. I don't have it ready.
Speaker 2: No, I don't have it ready either. So we have
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything on the board today, as
Speaker 2: you can see. Because no, obviously no Patriots game last weekend,
Speaker 2: so we can't do our normal autopsy of the game
Speaker 2: three up, three down, all that kind of stuff. So
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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. I don't even know where to
Speaker 2: start today. I don't even know where to start. I
Speaker 2: think the best place to start though, is with current
Speaker 2: Patriots and then we'll get into Bill and all that
Speaker 2: stuff from there. I think the biggest question that I
Speaker 2: have off the top as we come off this bye week,
Speaker 2: is what are the Patriots looking to accomplish in the
Speaker 2: last four weeks of the season and what would make
Speaker 2: you feel good about the Patriots? You know, are you
Speaker 2: someone that wants to see them win some games down
Speaker 2: the stretch? Are you someone that wants to see them
Speaker 2: finish with the number one overall? Pick? Right? Like, you know,
Speaker 2: which way do you really want this to go? I
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing though, for me from that standpoint
Speaker 2: with the Patriots is can they put together I'd like
Speaker 2: to see multiple, but I'll settle for one. Can they
Speaker 2: put together a complete offensive game, like from start to finish,
Speaker 2: finish in the red zone, you know, want to put
Speaker 2: a number on it, you know, hit that thirty plus
Speaker 2: point threshold, which they haven't done all year. Can they
Speaker 2: put together a complete offensive game, because I think they've
Speaker 2: been scratching at the surface of this. I feel like
Speaker 2: the Rams game, the Colts game, like those games were
Speaker 2: close to being that is a truly, you know, good
Speaker 2: offensive performance. But with the Colts too, it's hard to
Speaker 2: put that label on it. When you go two for
Speaker 2: six from the red zone and you turn one over
Speaker 2: on the goal line and things like that. But I'm
Speaker 2: looking for that because my feelings on the defense, I'm
Speaker 2: really it's getting to me a little bit right now
Speaker 2: about this Patriots defense. I have a lot of concerns.
Speaker 2: I think that this is the side of the ball
Speaker 2: that was supposed to be propped up. I was supposed
Speaker 2: to be solid still without Bill Belichick. I feel like
Speaker 2: they have really regressed on that side of the ball
Speaker 2: and most multiple facets, and when you start talking about
Speaker 2: where they go at in the offseason with this coaching
Speaker 2: staff and things like that as well, I look at
Speaker 2: multiple guys in that defense that are underachieving right now.
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar is probably the biggest one, but Kyle Duggar,
Speaker 2: Jilani Tavai, even I would say Jonathan Jones had a
Speaker 2: little bit of a down year. Like these are guys
Speaker 2: that have played really solid, good football for the Patriots
Speaker 2: over the last three, four five years, and they've completely
Speaker 2: gone downhill on that side of the football. So I'm
Speaker 2: not expecting much out of the defense in terms of
Speaker 2: corrections and things like that coming out of the bye.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's obtainable for this offense to
Speaker 2: put together a complete game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just as a whole general progress. I'll
Speaker 4: just pick up where I left off or where I've
Speaker 4: been with since the beginning of the year. Are you
Speaker 4: better at the end of the year than you are
Speaker 4: at the beginning? I said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: What was the best game, the most complete game they'd played?
Speaker 4: I think there's an argument it's Week two against the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: Now the Colts game may supersede that, but can you
Speaker 4: show some progress from September to December? And I look
Speaker 4: at like what the Carolina Panthers are doing right now. Ye,
Speaker 4: but they're not winning some of these games, but they've
Speaker 4: been a pain in the ass for the Chiefs. They've
Speaker 4: been a pain in the ass for the Eagles. Can
Speaker 4: you do that and show that like you're on the
Speaker 4: doorstep of being one of those that you're you know,
Speaker 4: take that step towards being at least a tough out
Speaker 4: for some of the elite teams in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a really good point. And I
Speaker 2: just go back to what direction do they go in
Speaker 2: in the offseason. I know we talk a whole lot
Speaker 2: about personnel, and you know, can you see a rookie pop.
Speaker 2: Can you see you know, a Jalen Polk, a Leyden Robinson,
Speaker 2: a Cadaan Wallace, you know, one of these players. There's
Speaker 2: a merge here in the last four games of the season.
Speaker 2: I'll allow for that, but I also kind of push
Speaker 2: back on the notion that it's going to change my
Speaker 2: mind drastically about their needs and their uh, you know,
Speaker 2: rookie class and their holes. As Alex is dying over
Speaker 2: here right now, I thought it was a coffee. No. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just watching you just slowly decay over there.
Speaker 4: And I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he's he's been sick. You've been you're
Speaker 2: playing hurt a little bit today? Fine, you've been playing.
Speaker 2: He doesn't like that. I'm pointing it out. I can tell.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I I pushed back on the notion a little
Speaker 2: bit that they uh, because there's something I don't think
Speaker 2: that really necessarily there's something Jalen Polk is going to
Speaker 2: do in the next four weeks barring that he goes
Speaker 2: for like one hundred and four touchdowns and every you know,
Speaker 2: four touchdowns total, but like one hundred every game with
Speaker 2: a touchdown, you know, it looks like he's, uh, he's
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson all of a sudden that I'm going to
Speaker 2: start to sit here and say, they don't you know,
Speaker 2: they have an number one wide receiver, or they have
Speaker 2: a number two wide receiver, or they have a hit
Speaker 2: with Jalen Polk, whatever way you want to put it.
Speaker 2: I just don't don't necessarily think that that's going to
Speaker 2: change my mind that one way or another very heavily.
Speaker 2: So I'm not really thinking about personnel and more thinking
Speaker 2: about coaching and where this staff goes moving forward. And
Speaker 2: I think that a complete offensive performance would sort of
Speaker 2: cement Avp to me as someone that should be probably
Speaker 2: be back next year. And similarly on the defense side
Speaker 2: of the ball, when I watch their defense right now,
Speaker 2: and I thought Mayo pointed to it on Wednesday a
Speaker 2: little bit and kind of said it, how I feel,
Speaker 2: it looks like eleven individual guys that are each trying
Speaker 2: to win on an island, and it doesn't look like
Speaker 2: a team or a cohesive unit right now. And so
Speaker 2: what's happening is is that they shore up one thing,
Speaker 2: but it's like kind of like holes in a boat
Speaker 2: right where an another leak is springing because that you
Speaker 2: know that now that's an issue, and then we fix that,
Speaker 2: and then another thing has become an issue because they're
Speaker 2: not playing eleven at a time, They're not playing as
Speaker 2: a con unit. You know. That to me points a
Speaker 2: lot to coordination and coaching. So I am curious to
Speaker 2: see where this coaching staff goes from here. Just with
Speaker 2: the Cardinals this weekend, I think this is a really
Speaker 2: winnable game for the Patriots. The Cardinals have lost three
Speaker 2: games in a row. They have an eight percent chance
Speaker 2: right now to make the playoffs based off ESPN's number
Speaker 2: and their projections. So the Cardinals, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 2: are are are dead like they would need a hell
Speaker 2: of a finish here to make the postseason. So they're
Speaker 2: they're reeling a little bit as well, I would say.
Speaker 2: And I look at this matchup and I see a
Speaker 2: Cardinals defense that stiffens up in the red zone. It's
Speaker 2: another bend, don't break type of defense, a lot of
Speaker 2: zone coverage. They're gonna bring some pressure, but it's gonna
Speaker 2: be from different places, and they're gonna play a lot
Speaker 2: of soft zone and they're gonna give up some yards
Speaker 2: in the twenties between the twenties and then try to
Speaker 2: stiffen up in the red zone. The Patriots have been
Speaker 2: able to move the football against two of those types
Speaker 2: of defenses with the Rams and the Colts in recent weeks.
Speaker 2: I obviously have to finish, but they've been able to
Speaker 2: move the ball, and then offensively with the Cardinals, it
Speaker 2: still feels a little bit run centric, which might be
Speaker 2: able to keep this game closer. Right. You don't usually
Speaker 2: see teams run away, no pun intended with a game
Speaker 2: that's heavily featured on the ground, and they are not
Speaker 2: necessarily a team that is overly consistent. They have a
Speaker 2: lot of explosive plays, but they also have a lot
Speaker 2: of negative plays too. It's kind of boom or bust
Speaker 2: right now with them offensively. So what do you think
Speaker 2: about their chances in the desert? Because I actually give
Speaker 2: the Patriots a puncher's chance in this game.
Speaker 4: Real quick, Patriots breaking news, ish, we kind of knew this.
Speaker 4: Teed McMillan has a officially declared for the draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll get to some of the guys.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw Literally just happens, So I
Speaker 4: just wanted to throw that in like, I also feel
Speaker 4: like they've played the Cardinals tough, like this is kind
Speaker 4: of the same, and they've also played them like oddly
Speaker 4: regularly with that seventeenth game as the NFC opponent, And
Speaker 4: I feel like all these games have kind of in
Speaker 4: the same thing where the Cardinals are this team that's
Speaker 4: kind of backsliding when they play the Patriots, but they're
Speaker 4: still seeing this like the tier above, and then the
Speaker 4: Patriots beat them. Now a couple of years ago, was
Speaker 4: it Monday Night Football where where Kyler? Or was it
Speaker 4: Thursday at night? When Kyler towards ACL that Monday night
Speaker 4: Monday Night, so they obviously didn't have to face him
Speaker 4: in that. But this is a team that that is
Speaker 4: super inconsistent in the Cardinals, a team that can get sloppy,
Speaker 4: a team that's pretty one dimensional. They're really good at
Speaker 4: that one dimension and that's why they were able to
Speaker 4: get off to the hot start they did. But it
Speaker 4: hasn't they haven't really had a great counter so this
Speaker 4: could be one of those games like that's kind of
Speaker 4: similar to the Bengals, it's kind of similar to the Bears.
Speaker 4: So it's one of those games where I do feel
Speaker 4: like the Patriots should have a chance in this one.
Speaker 4: It seems like they're relatively healthy, you know, coming off
Speaker 4: the bye week that helped as well. So I what
Speaker 4: am I picking the Patriots? No? W I put it
Speaker 4: in the winnable game category.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, it's interesting with the Cardinals that you
Speaker 2: mentioned that they started hot again and then kind of
Speaker 2: fizzled out. We always joke and kind of label that
Speaker 2: as like a Cliff Kingsbury problem, right, Like Kingsbury's offenses
Speaker 2: tend to teeter off post Thanksgiving, and it's kind of
Speaker 2: happening in Washington a little bit, like it's not as
Speaker 2: bad as it's been in the past, and the commanders
Speaker 2: look a little bit better lately. But they had a
Speaker 2: rough stretch there again offensively where that Cliff was coming
Speaker 2: for Cliff, no pun intended again nice and I swear
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to do that. And it's sort of
Speaker 2: happening in Arizona again without Cliff Kingsbury. So maybe it's
Speaker 2: a more of a Kyler Arizona problem than it is
Speaker 2: it is about Kingsbury and that specific instance.
Speaker 4: It's truth Cliff going back to like Texas.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'm not saying that cliff is off
Speaker 2: the hook. I'm just saying that it's interesting that that
Speaker 2: is happening again to a Kyler Murray Cardinals team. Kyler
Speaker 2: is an interesting player, just real quick and aside. You know,
Speaker 2: I love watching Kyler. Yeah, he's a really good quarterback
Speaker 2: in my mind, but he's he's interesting. One of those
Speaker 2: guys that I don't know if it's necessarily tangible. You know,
Speaker 2: he tore his ACL obviously, you mentioned that against the
Speaker 2: Patriots a couple of years ago, and that's really the
Speaker 2: one major major injury he's had. But you do wonder
Speaker 2: how much the wear and tear on a smaller guy
Speaker 2: catches up to him in the season, and maybe that's
Speaker 2: part of the reason why he tails off. One of
Speaker 2: the other interesting stats about Kyler that I dug up
Speaker 2: while previewing this game on Patriots dot Com was against
Speaker 2: six or more rushers, Like basically want to call it
Speaker 2: an all out blitz. We can call it an all
Speaker 2: out blitz. Kyler Murray right now is the worst quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league an EPA d per drop back when
Speaker 2: teams bring six or more in a blitz, he is
Speaker 2: the worst in the league by a wide wide margin.
Speaker 2: He's subtracting point eight four expected points added per dropback
Speaker 2: in those situations, which anything over like zo point two
Speaker 2: five in either direction is a lot, right, Like, that's
Speaker 2: like an outlier number. So he's been horrible against all
Speaker 2: out pressure, against multiple you know, blitzers, and I think
Speaker 2: a big part of that is you bring those types
Speaker 2: of pressures against the quarterback like Kyler because he wants
Speaker 2: to scramble and get out of the pocket and extend plays.
Speaker 2: And now you're you know it's twofold one. You're covering
Speaker 2: all the gaps on the line of scrimmage that he
Speaker 2: has for his escape routes. Right by bringing six guys,
Speaker 2: there's really no place for him to go. And the
Speaker 2: other the other thing is that you're adding defensive backs
Speaker 2: into the pass rush. So now you have athletic guys
Speaker 2: chasing him. So you don't have three hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: pound defensive tackles chasing him, you have Kyle Duggart chasing him.
Speaker 4: Should be a good week for the Longhorn package.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe the Longhorn package gets involved is a
Speaker 2: great point. And Brendan Schooler gets involved is a perfect
Speaker 2: spy on Kyler Murray but you see him get really
Speaker 2: rattled when teams bring the heat against him. And Brian
Speaker 2: Flores did that quite a bit, as he always does.
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago in that game that I
Speaker 2: watched is you know, similar defenses and things like that,
Speaker 2: and he brought the heat a lot against Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2: And you see some really ugly reps from Murray when
Speaker 2: you bring pressure against him, because it just takes away
Speaker 2: a lot of his like crutches, right, you know, scrambling
Speaker 2: getting the ball out quickly and the last thing. And
Speaker 2: I'm a I am not a tall man. I am
Speaker 2: also vertically challenged, so I don't want to take shots
Speaker 2: at short people. But is there a There's a piece
Speaker 2: of me that wonders if he can't see over the rush?
Speaker 4: Certainly looks like it sometimes.
Speaker 2: Right, And I say that with again, like I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be mean, but I genuinely wonder if he
Speaker 2: struggles in those situations over the rush, and when there
Speaker 2: isn't six guys coming at him, he can kind of
Speaker 2: scramble or move off his spot to try to find
Speaker 2: those launch angles. Whereas when you bring all that all
Speaker 2: out heat, he I think he kind of doesn't see
Speaker 2: down the field very well in those situations. So long
Speaker 2: winded way of saying, I think this is a really
Speaker 2: big game for you got to be able to stop
Speaker 2: James Connor in the run game, Like if you can't
Speaker 2: get this Cardinals team a lot like the Colts, if
Speaker 2: you can't get them into third and obvious pass where
Speaker 2: you can bring some of that pressure against Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2: That's where you're going to struggle against this Cardinals team
Speaker 2: is downhill runs with James Connor. They're always ahead of
Speaker 2: the chains. They're in third and short a lot of
Speaker 2: the time, so you can't bring the pressure that you
Speaker 2: want to bring. This is one of those games where
Speaker 2: you need to stop the run and have some fun later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big game for the front as a hole,
Speaker 4: which is obviously a group that struggled this year, especially
Speaker 4: compared to expectations. But Christian Barmore has been back. He
Speaker 4: continues to ramp up, other guys getting healthier. They've added
Speaker 4: Yannick and Gockway, Like this group may be set up
Speaker 4: better than any other for that, you know, upward trajectory
Speaker 4: at the end of the year. Great test for them
Speaker 4: to start off this final push.
Speaker 2: All right, last thing on the Cardinals, and then I
Speaker 2: want to talk about some breaking news, you know, more
Speaker 2: of Belichick stuff. There's a couple bits of news. You know,
Speaker 2: guys are declaring left and right at this point for
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. Garrett Bull signs an extension today, which
Speaker 2: I think is topical. But the last thing that I
Speaker 2: want to bring up about the Patriots in this game
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and really just down the stretch in general,
Speaker 2: the whole cold strange of it all, I find a
Speaker 2: little fascinating. I am really really weary, and I've given
Speaker 2: this take on pe you a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: want to expand on it. I'm really wary of changing
Speaker 2: centers on Drake May. I think it's a horrible idea.
Speaker 2: I think it's a recipe for disaster. I don't think
Speaker 2: Ben Brown's a part of their future plans in terms
Speaker 2: of starting center long term. But I also don't think
Speaker 2: that he's been a train wreck at center by any
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination. And really going back and looking
Speaker 2: at it and thinking about it, they really haven't had
Speaker 2: any bad exchanges either between Drake May and Ben Brown
Speaker 2: since he got in there. And then we also have
Speaker 2: to mention that in this system, all the line calls
Speaker 2: are controlled by the center. In this system, right so
Speaker 2: pre snap, the center is the one that's making all
Speaker 2: the checks and audibles and changes to the protections and
Speaker 2: things like that. In this Alex Van Pelt offense, it's
Speaker 2: not the quarterbacks responsibility per se. So you're asking Cole Strange,
Speaker 2: who has never played center in a game before period
Speaker 2: going back to college, has never played center in a
Speaker 2: game before period, to come into a game with a
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback who's playing well and they haven't on the
Speaker 2: right track, and he is going to snap for the
Speaker 2: first time, He's going to make line calls for the
Speaker 2: first time, and he's going to snap to Drake May
Speaker 2: for really the first time in a live setting. Because
Speaker 2: these practices this late in the season, that that does
Speaker 2: not count, Like that's not live NFL football right now
Speaker 2: in week fifteen. So you put all these things together,
Speaker 2: and I understand that they want to see where Cole
Speaker 2: Strange might fit into this puzzle. I really feel like
Speaker 2: in a you know, no knock on Cole Strange necessarily,
Speaker 2: but I feel like they have to wait for cold
Speaker 2: Strange until training camp next year. I just don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think that it's smart for him to be thrown into
Speaker 2: this fire and to be forced to play a position
Speaker 2: he's never played before. With a rookie quarterback, it's a
Speaker 2: recipe for disaster. I'd be really weary of doing that
Speaker 2: to Drake may I think that's the one thing you
Speaker 2: have going for you right now is that he's playing well.
Speaker 2: So don't mess with it, because I do fear it
Speaker 2: could be a house of cards.
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more everything I've said is make this
Speaker 4: as easy on Drake may as possible. Does col Shit
Speaker 4: maybe have a future at center? Yes, I don't even
Speaker 4: hate getting inim the practice reps right now, but like
Speaker 4: you said, like training camp next year, it makes a
Speaker 4: lot more sense to make that change. I still don't
Speaker 4: understand the blind commitment to Laydon Robinson, like there is
Speaker 4: another way to get Cold Strange in the lineup if
Speaker 4: you want him on the field. But they just won't
Speaker 4: take Laden Robinson off unless they absolutely have to. So
Speaker 4: the one thing, and this was floated as like a
Speaker 4: take and Drod Mayo was asked about it this week
Speaker 4: and he didn't straight up say no, but he didn't
Speaker 4: sound enthused.
Speaker 2: By it.
Speaker 4: But I have seen some people suggest like a rotation
Speaker 4: where it's Cole Strange and Ben Brown rotating. That's probably
Speaker 4: worse than just col Strange outright. That's the one thing
Speaker 4: I don't want to see them do. But no, I'd
Speaker 4: like to see them stick with Ben Brown and stick
Speaker 4: with the continuity.
Speaker 2: I would just say it would be easier to change,
Speaker 2: Like if you wanted to have a rotation to try
Speaker 2: to get both those guys reps, I can I could
Speaker 2: hear that if it was like tackle or guard. I
Speaker 2: think that's more doable where you have a rotation, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's halves or so. I don't know what exactly
Speaker 2: would look like necessarily, but if you want to get
Speaker 2: both those guys game reps and left guard is sort
Speaker 2: of a rotation, maybe you do it for the first
Speaker 2: couple series and then you ride the hot hand, you know,
Speaker 2: whoever's playing better, you know, midway through the second quarter
Speaker 2: against the rest of the game. I could entertain that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a totally different animal when you start
Speaker 2: talking about center, and when we start talking about a
Speaker 2: team that wants to go under center and play from
Speaker 2: underneath center and you have to put the quarterback under center.
Speaker 4: Elements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the communication is a big piece of it.
Speaker 2: So I think it's really difficult to rotate at center. Specifically,
Speaker 2: they wanted to rotate Landon Robinson and cold Strange at
Speaker 2: left guard. I would be more open to that. I
Speaker 2: still don't necessarily think it's necessary, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: why we're doing this for cold Strange. I really just don't,
Speaker 2: especially this late in the season. Like it's not like
Speaker 2: he hasn't he has shown at times that he can
Speaker 2: play in the NFL. Again, I just I don't see
Speaker 2: what we're going to gain from that, especially from the
Speaker 2: point of view that as we sort of segue into
Speaker 2: some of this news that's broken over the last couple
Speaker 2: of days, they're probably gonna have a pretty significantly different
Speaker 2: offensive line to start twenty twenty five. Sure, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: you're looking at probably two new tackles at least on
Speaker 2: that offensive line. So at what point do you also
Speaker 2: look at it and say, well, it's not even the group, right,
Speaker 2: It's not like he's getting in there and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be the same four guys and you know, same five
Speaker 2: including him next week year in Week one twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: barring injury, it's gonna be a significant shuffle anyways. So
Speaker 2: I would just the biggest point though, of that whole thing,
Speaker 2: is that I just would not mess with this element
Speaker 2: for Drake May. I just think it's worked with Ben Brown.
Speaker 2: It's been smooth with Ben Brown from a snapping communications standpoint,
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't mess with it. All right, let's get
Speaker 2: to some of this this news over the last couple
Speaker 2: of days. Obviously, Bill Belichick is being introduced as the
Speaker 2: North Carolina head coach as we speak.
Speaker 4: They gave him a cut off unc hoodie sick. He
Speaker 4: also held up his dad's hoodie for what his dad
Speaker 4: coached there in the fifties.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, I.
Speaker 4: Hate this all you want? You're in the minority on that,
Speaker 4: am I? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay. So we've argued about this off the air already,
Speaker 2: and I want to bring some of the text messages
Speaker 2: to light. Some of it's probably not great for air.
Speaker 2: Some of it is, though, And I just think for me,
Speaker 2: and this is strictly my opinion.
Speaker 4: Did you want to start here? Did you want to
Speaker 4: start with bulls? And I go to you into this
Speaker 4: because we can start with bulls.
Speaker 2: No, I wanted to start with, it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 2: didn't matter the order when it comes to Bill at UNC,
Speaker 2: I have two different ways of looking at it that
Speaker 2: end up in the same place, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first place that I look at it is this
Speaker 2: job is beneath Bill Belichick. Okay. And that's no disrespect
Speaker 2: to the University of North Carolina. It just is beneath it.
Speaker 2: It's a basketball school, it's an ACC program in college
Speaker 2: football that's never really been part of the conversation of
Speaker 2: an elite program. And on the football side of the things,
Speaker 2: you can Dora May like that, but like Drake made
Speaker 2: is such a great example of this. Like Drake May
Speaker 2: was the only reason why they've been relevant in like
Speaker 2: the last decade is because they had Drake Man. I
Speaker 2: guess like Mitch Trubisky too, technically was an early draft pick,
Speaker 2: but Mitch Trubisky's North Carolina teams weren't very good. It
Speaker 2: was just that he was an NFL prospect. Drake May
Speaker 2: took them to the a SEC Championship game his true
Speaker 2: sophomore season. Otherwise they wouldn't even have been relevant for
Speaker 2: the last like decade. And it's not It's not Alabama,
Speaker 2: it's not Ohio State. It's not Georgia, it's not Texas
Speaker 2: or not USC Like if he was gonna go to
Speaker 2: one of those schools, then I could sit here and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: he went to a blue blud national champion contender, year
Speaker 2: and year out program. Right, it'd be like the college
Speaker 2: football equivalent of inheriting the Philadelphia Eagles or like the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys or something like college.
Speaker 4: So this is where I think, maybe like there's really two.
Speaker 4: This story's fascinating because you see coaches jump back and
Speaker 4: forth sometimes between college and the pros, but that's usually
Speaker 4: a certain coach, Pete Carroll it was one example. I
Speaker 4: don't know why these names are coming to be Matt Ruhl. Right.
Speaker 4: You have these rare instances, though, where a lifer on
Speaker 4: one side goes to the other. The most recent was
Speaker 4: Urban Meyer, And you get a group of people that
Speaker 4: maybe don't follow the other side regularly or closely or
Speaker 4: with the level of familiarity, that suddenly end up on
Speaker 4: that other side because they're following the individual. So what
Speaker 4: you just said, for instance, right where well, it's not
Speaker 4: one of these blue bloods. There are so few true
Speaker 4: blue blood college football teams left that are relevant that
Speaker 4: are considered elite no matter how good the team actually is.
Speaker 4: There are fewer of those than ever, and those teams
Speaker 4: just don't Usually they hire from with it, Like it's
Speaker 4: not that from them an opening? What in college football?
Speaker 4: Like what what the coaches do to prove themselves? You
Speaker 4: go to that second tier school and you elevate it
Speaker 4: to compete with the blue bloods. Look at what Dion
Speaker 4: did in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Deon, But that's a perfect example because Dion.
Speaker 2: It couldn't have worked out better than it has with
Speaker 2: Dion in Colorado. And part of the reason why it's
Speaker 2: worked out so well is that his son is a
Speaker 2: really good quarterback. So he got him by default because
Speaker 2: that's his son. And Travis Hunter is the best player
Speaker 2: in college football. He is, don't tell me about your
Speaker 2: running back. Okay, he's the best player in college football.
Speaker 2: And he was at Jackson State with Dion and like
Speaker 2: it just like Dion. My point is that Dion kind
Speaker 2: of got lucky that those two guys were in his
Speaker 2: back pocket, right.
Speaker 4: Sure, But like I'm expecting Bill to do well in
Speaker 4: the portal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, maybe.
Speaker 4: Bill's not that that that Yukon team last year went
Speaker 4: six and six with the backup quarterback Max Johnson broke
Speaker 4: his leg first month of the season and was out right,
Speaker 4: yeah when when And Michael Lombardi was on MCAFEW today
Speaker 4: and he was already talking about we're going to hit
Speaker 4: the portal heavy. When Dion showed up to Colorado, you
Speaker 4: talk about you talk about Travis Hunter. Obviously they were
Speaker 4: big pieces, but they brought in fifty two players through
Speaker 4: the portal and they had fifty leave. It was an
Speaker 4: entirely new team. So can Bill go out, even if
Speaker 4: he's they're not the guy's not his son, and get
Speaker 4: a five star portal quarterback? I think he could. I
Speaker 4: I think he could. I look at Malik Murphy, who's
Speaker 4: right down the road. If Bill so, Malik Murphy was
Speaker 4: the guy who played over right, he was the guy
Speaker 4: who played over Arch Texas transferred to Duke last year.
Speaker 4: He's back in the portal. If Bill shows up and
Speaker 4: flips Duke's quarterback to UNC.
Speaker 2: Great, But like, but why would I Why do I care?
Speaker 2: Like this is the others my other angle.
Speaker 4: It's it's because it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Why is it fascinating? Because this is why do I care?
Speaker 2: What Bill Belichick does in two months, you know whatever?
Speaker 2: How many months? Six months? For now when we get
Speaker 2: back to college football next fall and he's coaching, you know,
Speaker 2: at North Carolina down in Chapel Hill next year, Like,
Speaker 2: what do I care about North Carolina n C State
Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick coaching a college football game for twelve
Speaker 2: pm on a Saturday on free Form?
Speaker 4: So what is all c W?
Speaker 2: Why would I care? Why would I watch? Like? Am
Speaker 2: I gonna start doing like film breakdowns on if.
Speaker 4: You always complained college football? Well, it's so basic. They
Speaker 4: only run you know.
Speaker 2: That's another piece of it though, and you give your
Speaker 2: take and can.
Speaker 4: Bill put some more complex systems into the college game?
Speaker 4: And that No, just no, you're not you're not even
Speaker 4: open to the possibility of it.
Speaker 2: Not at that program. No, that pro okay, but.
Speaker 4: You need to move on from the idea of that
Speaker 4: program because Colorado was that program. Colorado wasn't.
Speaker 2: But Colorado can't do that either. Like that's the other
Speaker 2: them into this that I find fascinating, Uh, that I
Speaker 2: just can't wrap my head around, is like, okay, so
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna treat it like an NFL team. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: where it's good. You're like you just said, they're gonna
Speaker 2: hit the portal and they're gonna be fifty in and
Speaker 2: fifty out. It's gonna be like the draft and free
Speaker 2: agency right where the whole roster is gonna turn over
Speaker 2: essentially in one offseason. I I totally get that. But
Speaker 2: my biggest thing with for Bill from a coaching standpoint
Speaker 2: with this is that what you're gonna You're gonna start
Speaker 2: running match coverages, and you're gonna start running uh, you know,
Speaker 2: creeper schemes, and you're gonna start running Tomahawk blitzes and
Speaker 2: all these different things that they did here. Are you
Speaker 2: gonna play forty five percent man coverage? I really college kids?
Speaker 4: I really think they might.
Speaker 2: Alwa's gonna get torched, is he? Yes?
Speaker 4: In the ACC?
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't do that. And because you just don't
Speaker 2: have the horses, like, you don't have the personnel to do,
Speaker 2: don't have Stefan Gilmour to go out there.
Speaker 4: First of all, you're not facing the same level of opponents.
Speaker 2: I get that, But I'm more talking about, like the scheme, the.
Speaker 4: Best wide receiver in the ACC just transfer out case
Speaker 4: he conception on well, we don't know where he's going yet,
Speaker 4: but he's leaving m C State. They What makes it
Speaker 4: so interesting to me is you never Bill is the
Speaker 4: greatest NFL coach of all time, period, full stop. There
Speaker 4: is a strong arguments we made that he's the greatest
Speaker 4: coach in the history of the sport, period, full stop.
Speaker 4: A lot of these guys don't have that crossover. This
Speaker 4: is something that goes on. I remember having this argument
Speaker 4: with somebody once about coach k is coach k the
Speaker 4: greatest coach in basketball history, the greatest coach in college
Speaker 4: basketball history. I okay, well, this person was a big
Speaker 4: Duke fan, so they clearly thought. But like the point is,
Speaker 4: so a lot of people have talked about Schooles's record
Speaker 4: and what that would mean for Bill as an NFL
Speaker 4: head coach. I don't think he needs Shoul's record to
Speaker 4: be the greatest NFL head coach of all time. He
Speaker 4: already is. You know, there are very few things that
Speaker 4: could actually add to Bill Belichick's resume in terms of
Speaker 4: like what he's accomplished. Do you know how many coaches
Speaker 4: have won both a Super Bowl in the National Championship?
Speaker 2: Not many?
Speaker 4: Three? You know who they are? Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting group. I would not have guessed
Speaker 2: Barry Switzer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the what everybody forgets. But like you had that,
Speaker 4: and Bill's never gonna be He doesn't have enough time
Speaker 4: to be the greatest college coach of all time. He's
Speaker 4: not He's not catching Saban Like, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: He's not gonna be there that long.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't like he knows himself doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I think you're in the minority on that. I don't
Speaker 4: find it fascinating.
Speaker 2: You like college football. It's not just college in the
Speaker 2: state of Massachusetts that cares about college football.
Speaker 4: That's changing. I put out a poll last night. There's
Speaker 4: people said they're gonna follow you at The reality is,
Speaker 4: once we start following the stuff, you get hooked.
Speaker 2: Look, no, there's a difference between yeah, like I'll follow it,
Speaker 2: like you know, I'll I'll know what they're they're doing relatively,
Speaker 2: and you know, if the.
Speaker 4: College football hooks people, that's what it does. It hooks, Yes,
Speaker 4: it does. It doesn't hook you, hook me, It doesn't
Speaker 4: hook you, but it hooks people. And that's the other
Speaker 4: element to this, to go back to my point about
Speaker 4: you have two different groups looking at this. Yesterday is
Speaker 4: a major win for the sport of college football. I
Speaker 4: think it's a win for football as a whole.
Speaker 2: Belichick at that level crazy that you think that this
Speaker 2: is good for football, that Bill Belichick is not going
Speaker 2: to be coaching in the NFL and he's going to
Speaker 2: be coaching North Carolina Bill Belichick, Well, no.
Speaker 4: But I think it's better than him working in media.
Speaker 4: I think it's better than him not beat not having
Speaker 4: hands hoffs.
Speaker 2: It's the best part of this interesting. Only interesting part
Speaker 2: of this story to me is why isn't Bill in
Speaker 2: the NFL? Like that's the only interesting part of the
Speaker 2: story to me, because the other piece of this that
Speaker 2: that irks me, and this is just on a personal level,
Speaker 2: it just irks me. I understand a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't care about this side of it, but the you know,
Speaker 2: you're texting me this morning that that college football that
Speaker 2: Bill is was disgusted by the.
Speaker 4: State a quote.
Speaker 2: I know, but you're the one that told me that
Speaker 2: this came out right, that he's disgusted and that the
Speaker 2: words that you used were that college football. After you said,
Speaker 2: this is my coach because he likes college football better
Speaker 2: than the NFL. You said that this is the purest
Speaker 2: form of football. Blah, Like just blah, all right, And
Speaker 2: then all I'm getting at here with this is like
Speaker 2: stop it with the spin zone, Like can we just
Speaker 2: be real? Can we just stop it? Like he did?
Speaker 2: This was not his choice, This was not his first
Speaker 2: choice to go coach in North Carolina, Like just be
Speaker 2: a human being and be real for one what.
Speaker 4: Do you but what do you want? Like you won't
Speaker 4: leave open the monoker of a possibility that there grew
Speaker 4: up around the college game.
Speaker 2: There is a zero point zero percent chance that Bill Belichick,
Speaker 2: if he had his pick, would pick North Carolina over
Speaker 2: coaching an NFL team. Zero point zero. There is no way.
Speaker 2: And all of this stuff that's coming out, the Wickersham
Speaker 2: article and all this stuff that's coming out about how
Speaker 2: he was done with the no, the NFL was done
Speaker 2: with you, And if we could just have that conversation
Speaker 2: like real people, then I'd be open to it.
Speaker 4: What does that say more about the NFL or Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2: It's irrelevant to the point that I'm trying to make,
Speaker 2: Like the point that I am trying to make is
Speaker 2: that every single time something goes down with Bill the
Speaker 2: spin zone that has to happen after it. Like you
Speaker 2: don't need that, dude, Like you don't need it. You're
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. You're the greatest coach of all time in
Speaker 2: my mind. You don't need to then send Mike Lombardi
Speaker 2: on every single show and talk about how college is
Speaker 2: such a better job than the NFL at this point,
Speaker 2: and how you know this is really a much better
Speaker 2: situation for Bill. Come on, Like everyone knows that Bill
Speaker 2: would rather be coaching in the end NFL. Everybody knows
Speaker 2: that he'd rather be chasing Shula, and that he'd be
Speaker 2: better off in the NFL and all those types of things.
Speaker 2: Like everyone knows that that's where he wants to be.
Speaker 2: It's if you want to talk about whose fault is
Speaker 2: that that is more interesting to me than North Carolina
Speaker 2: for Central Florida in October.
Speaker 4: You don't think that there's a little bit of a possibility.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not his first top choice. I think his
Speaker 4: first top choice would have been to finish here and
Speaker 4: get the record here, right, But you don't think that
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of a possibility that he grew
Speaker 4: up around the college game. He was raised in it,
Speaker 4: and he's had an affinity for it. And there was
Speaker 4: never really an opportunity for him to leave or for
Speaker 4: him to go to make that jump, Like he was
Speaker 4: on the NFL path he was with Parcels. That was
Speaker 4: the path to becoming a head coach, not going to college.
Speaker 4: It was sticking with Parcels. Did that got here? He
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna leave here for a college job with the
Speaker 4: success he was having. Now he has an opportunity to
Speaker 4: do it, and it's this is it. Like if he
Speaker 4: ever wanted to coach college football, this is it. And
Speaker 4: maybe it was always somebody wanted to try. Maybe it's
Speaker 4: not his first option, but maybe it was somebody he
Speaker 4: wanted to try. And you keep bringing up unceivers, UCF whatever.
Speaker 4: He's the greatest coach of all time. If he's putting
Speaker 4: a team on the field, it's inherently interesting to see
Speaker 4: what that looks like. You're acting like and I'll even
Speaker 4: I'll even slayer my own brand here. You're acting like
Speaker 4: he went to the the UFL. You're acting like he
Speaker 4: went to the spring league.
Speaker 2: No, if he did that, I'd be like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: being real about this. I I agree that come next fall,
Speaker 2: people will be generally aware of what's going on at
Speaker 2: North Carolina. I would say, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: it's similar to Bill O'Brien going to Boston College, right,
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't the main story in town by any
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination, Bill Belichick, But you really truly
Speaker 2: think that, Like your station is gonna be doing full
Speaker 2: segments on what is going on with North Caroline.
Speaker 4: I think on Monday you'll probably get a segment of
Speaker 4: what do you think of the North Carolina game? Would
Speaker 4: you think the job Bill did this week? Do it?
Speaker 2: That's my station.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it on the website.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's absolutely crazy. If people are gonna be
Speaker 2: actually sitting.
Speaker 4: Down if we did we did, if we did full
Speaker 4: days of Brady and Tampa. I think Bill in North
Speaker 4: Carolina gets a segment that I'm not saying it's gonna
Speaker 4: be as close as Brady and.
Speaker 2: Tem so different and Brady and Tampa was so much
Speaker 2: more compelling. Like I think that's the do.
Speaker 4: You remember what everybody said when Brady went to go
Speaker 4: to Tampa barely an NFL team. It's like the same thing,
Speaker 4: people the same thing.
Speaker 2: I I just I don't want to keep laboring Bill
Speaker 2: because I really don't care. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I just the part of that irks me about this
Speaker 2: is that it would have been so much more interesting
Speaker 2: to see what he did with an NFL team, Like
Speaker 2: could he get back to the top in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I think this is more challenge.
Speaker 2: You just will not admit that anything bad about college football.
Speaker 2: You just won't.
Speaker 4: I was saying the college team is more of a
Speaker 4: challenge because because a good pay for college.
Speaker 2: What's the ceiling for him at North Carolina?
Speaker 4: Like national championship?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no way he's winning a national championship.
Speaker 4: You don't think there's any shot in that conference. You
Speaker 4: can't even get to the college football Playoff. No, he
Speaker 4: made the pitch on McAfee the other day. This program
Speaker 4: is going to be geared solely around getting players ready
Speaker 4: for the NFL. That is going to resonate with a
Speaker 4: lot of players in the portal high school recruits. That's
Speaker 4: going to resonate a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's not going to attract players.
Speaker 2: I agree. You know, we had this conversation on PU
Speaker 2: as a story was developing, and the whole thing, And
Speaker 2: I think this is a really interesting point that you
Speaker 2: can kind of speak to more than most people, right,
Speaker 2: Like the whole point of oh, like, you know, he's
Speaker 2: going to have to go on a seventeen year old's
Speaker 2: couch and recruit them to come play North football in
Speaker 2: North Carolina.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no, that's not the kind of
Speaker 4: kids he's recruits.
Speaker 2: He's gonna recruit out of the portal. And Mike Lombardi
Speaker 2: went on visiting his old station, old network, and he
Speaker 2: mentioned that they are going to build an NFL front
Speaker 2: office in college football at North Carolina where they are
Speaker 2: going to have their primary responsibility is going to be
Speaker 2: scouting the portal. It's not going to be scouting the
Speaker 2: sixteen year old at you know, a freaking odesci Permian,
Speaker 2: right Like, it's that's not what they're gonna They'll do
Speaker 2: that because you have to. But let's face it, Bill's
Speaker 2: seventy two years old. So like once that sixteen year
Speaker 2: old kid gets to North Carolina and is ready to
Speaker 2: play in a game in North Carolina, he might even
Speaker 2: be the coach there.
Speaker 4: That's why I think Bill's gonna be there for three years.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be this first for I mean, it'll be
Speaker 4: portal heavy, but this first freshman class will be his class.
Speaker 4: These are gonna be the kids that he's going with.
Speaker 4: And the guy to watch that I'm gonna be fascinated
Speaker 4: with is a guy named Faizon Brandon. So the number
Speaker 4: so the one thing our old friend Track Yeah, tweeted
Speaker 4: this yesterday. He said, you know, as Bill gets a
Speaker 4: going at UNC, it's all going to be about finding
Speaker 4: the irony of Bill has to find the next Drake May.
Speaker 4: He left the Patriots, goes to UNC. Now he has
Speaker 4: to find the next Drake May. The one thing UNC
Speaker 4: has always done well as a program, better than probably
Speaker 4: any program in the country outside of maybe USC, is
Speaker 4: the top in state quarterbacks stay in state good University
Speaker 4: of North Good Quarterbacks from the state of North Carolina
Speaker 4: play at the University of North Carolina. Just so happens.
Speaker 4: So the guy in this upcoming class twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: graduating this year, number one North Carolina quarterback, he's already
Speaker 4: committed to UNC. We'll see if that sticks, but I
Speaker 4: would imagine it will. Yeah, Class twenty twenty six, the
Speaker 4: number one quarterback from North Carolina is actually the number
Speaker 4: one recruit in the country. Yeah, he's a guy named
Speaker 4: Faizon Brandon.
Speaker 2: In fact, that from Greensboro.
Speaker 4: I looked usup last night from Greensboro, less than an
Speaker 4: hour from Chapel Hill. Yeah, he's currently committed to Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Does Bill go and try to Benedict Arnold on our
Speaker 4: hands here? Does Bill? Does Bill go and try to
Speaker 4: flip skip right over? Because if because I know what
Speaker 4: you meant, If.
Speaker 2: Bill does her, he's a trader. That's what it means.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I mean, uh, Tennessee recruits heavily North Carolina
Speaker 4: for other positions with the guns quarterback. If Bill goes
Speaker 4: and and Faison was asked about this, that's the impact
Speaker 4: of Bill Belichick. They're asking the number one recruit in
Speaker 4: the country, who was already committed, what did you think?
Speaker 4: And he went down. So he says talent. So the
Speaker 4: kid says, yeah, you know, it's a good hire. I
Speaker 4: don't think i'd take a call from him. He said
Speaker 4: an nil deal through the email. Right, So if Bill,
Speaker 4: if Bill flips him or I talked about earlier Malik
Speaker 4: Murphy Lake, yeah, you can get he could make such
Speaker 4: a splash and then it all just floods in from there.
Speaker 4: And that's all fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I I know that's fascinating to you, and I'm
Speaker 2: a piece of me is kind of happy for you
Speaker 2: because I know that this is this is like your
Speaker 2: two worlds alliding and and good for people like you
Speaker 2: that that like college football for beyond just the draft,
Speaker 2: because this is this is a this is a win
Speaker 2: for you. This is a win for you, guys. So
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised at all that this is your take
Speaker 2: on this whole shit.
Speaker 4: I bring up one more point because I see it
Speaker 4: in the chat about Bill being able to recruit.
Speaker 2: I cause I don't. But that's not what I'm doubting.
Speaker 4: Well no, but like that's not what's interesting.
Speaker 5: Thing.
Speaker 2: He's just he's Bill Belichick. You shouldn't be coaching it
Speaker 2: North Carolina, all right.
Speaker 4: Like the the thing I was gonna say is because
Speaker 4: some people are all right, well, how's he gonna resonate
Speaker 4: with these young kids at least when it comes to recruiting.
Speaker 4: It's one thing when you get him in the program.
Speaker 4: Recruiting is a lot about the parents, and the parents
Speaker 4: saw Bill win for how many years The kids, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe a little younger, but I think it's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 4: You're the greatest coach of all time taking on a
Speaker 4: new challenge. I'm gonna be locked in. I think more
Speaker 4: people are gonna be locked in than you realize.
Speaker 2: Okay, I look, if they are, they are, I'll own
Speaker 2: up to it. In the fall off, if people are
Speaker 2: glued to their televisions on there on Saturdays to watch
Speaker 2: you know, North Carolina versus Chattanooga, I'll take it back. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll take it back.
Speaker 4: They don't play Chattanooga's here.
Speaker 2: And I also, just like I want to be clear,
Speaker 2: like this is not a negative Bill take Like I
Speaker 2: get we're getting emails of me being negative. Like it's
Speaker 2: not anti Bill, like it's nothing. It's actually pro Bill.
Speaker 2: Like I think Bill should be in the NFL. That's
Speaker 2: where he belongs. He should have a job in the NFL.
Speaker 2: It was time here, It just was time, all right.
Speaker 2: It was twenty five years. It was a great run.
Speaker 2: But that's a long long time in the in professional
Speaker 2: sports to have the same coach. It happens a little
Speaker 2: bit more in college, right where you have these long
Speaker 2: legacy coaches, right, But in the NFL. That's a long time,
Speaker 2: and it had just sort of what's the words I'm
Speaker 2: looking for, it had run its course with the Patriots.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that I felt felt like he shouldn't
Speaker 2: be coaching in the league. And I'm just disappointed that
Speaker 2: we don't get to see what he would do with
Speaker 2: a different NFL program. That's it.
Speaker 4: Well, but is that on him or is that on
Speaker 4: the league?
Speaker 2: Well, that part, to me is the more fascinating conversation.
Speaker 2: Will he succeed at North Carolina? Because I think he
Speaker 2: will do a good job because he's Bill Belichick and
Speaker 2: he's pretty much done a good job everywhere.
Speaker 4: Right, So I just said, you don't think he win
Speaker 4: national championship.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can win a national championship. But
Speaker 2: that's not because you think you can get to the
Speaker 2: college Football payoff now as twelve teams Like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: the ACC.
Speaker 4: So he's basically just to win the ACC. I think
Speaker 4: he can win the ACC. Well, you I cannot wait
Speaker 4: to watch him hang seventy on DABO. That is going
Speaker 4: And people who like we only talk NFL here you
Speaker 4: hear me talk about Kylee Shanahaning. These guys you don't
Speaker 4: even know how I feel about Dabo.
Speaker 2: So I do think that there's a possibility to make
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff because of what you just said.
Speaker 2: You win the ACC, it's an automatic bid, you're in.
Speaker 4: You get in, and you talk about this a lot.
Speaker 4: It's it's your best college football Take that to win
Speaker 4: a national championship in college football. So about the line?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 4: Right? Are you built big enough up front? Because the
Speaker 4: SEC teams are generally just so much bigger than every
Speaker 4: other conference. But it's usually the team that's the best
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage, not necessar the best quarterback
Speaker 4: that wins. You look at Michigan next year. You don't
Speaker 4: think Bill Belichick's going right to the tackle guard page
Speaker 4: and the transfer portal, going right there.
Speaker 2: Like you, you know, he's looking for sixteen guards lit.
Speaker 4: But this is my point. He so this is what
Speaker 4: was when TCU made their run. When Michigan made their run,
Speaker 4: you'll hear college football analysts talk about they have an
Speaker 4: SEC offensive line, which basically means they have the side.
Speaker 4: It's not about talent, it's about physical size. There's only
Speaker 4: so many these six five, six, six three ten pound
Speaker 4: guys that can move like this. I fully trust Bill
Speaker 4: Belichick is going to build an SEC line at North
Speaker 4: Carolina and that is going to change things because North
Speaker 4: Carolina will not have a line offense and defense. There's
Speaker 4: not gonna be another team in the ACC that has
Speaker 4: a team in the trenches like North Carolina does. And
Speaker 4: when they get to the playoff and they're playing SEC
Speaker 4: teams in Big Ten teams, I'm not gonna say'm gonna
Speaker 4: pick them out right, We'll see what happens in the portal,
Speaker 4: but they're gonna be able to compete at the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage again, teams from those conferences. And if you
Speaker 4: can do that, I trust Bill the coach circles around
Speaker 4: anybody in college football that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, And this is the only part
Speaker 2: of your take that I agree with that I find
Speaker 2: interesting a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is said that about like three or four things.
Speaker 2: But okay, well, no, what was the other thing I
Speaker 2: said that about.
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but I remember you said fascinating.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, well maybe that was exaggerating
Speaker 2: the point. This is the only element really that I
Speaker 2: truly care about with this whole thing in terms of
Speaker 2: like his coaching down there at North Carolina. My guess
Speaker 2: is that he's gonna pants like the entire ACC.
Speaker 4: Well not just the ACC. Let's say he gets the
Speaker 4: playoff Bill versus Kirby smart. Wait yeah see that Bill
Speaker 4: versus Lane Kiffy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where I feel as though those guys,
Speaker 2: I personally feel like have the chops to go toe
Speaker 2: to toe with Bill, Like Kirby is really good, would.
Speaker 4: Definitely awesome to and maybe Kirby's a little different because
Speaker 4: they're not Kirby's defensive coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill versus.
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffen, Bill versus Lincoln Riley. Yeah, I see like
Speaker 4: Bill verse some of these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: That doesn't that doesn't give you stand the hairs up
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I told you that was the only interesting element. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, like they have to get there first,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about North Carolina. Kirby is going to
Speaker 2: be there, Kirby's going to be at the party, and
Speaker 2: I think there are they going to get an invite?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I the only part about it
Speaker 2: is that these and that's a different level, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just talking about like that poor coach at like Wake
Speaker 2: Forest or like at you know, uh even like like
Speaker 2: schools like Duke and NC State. Uh No, I don't
Speaker 2: know yet. I don't know yet. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: what good would. But we'll find out about Dabo, right,
Speaker 2: we'll find out.
Speaker 4: I'll give you, I'll give you a good one.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: Fran Brown from Syracuse and and Syracuse had that big
Speaker 4: win at the end of the year and they finished
Speaker 4: on a high note. He's considered he was actually an
Speaker 4: assistant under Dabo. He's considered one of the top up
Speaker 4: and coming coaches in college football right now. He's somebody
Speaker 4: that's been talked about, is not this year but next
Speaker 4: year being like the top name among the openings, Bill
Speaker 4: versus Fran Like, if Fran Brown wants to really be
Speaker 4: on that line, he's gonna face Bill. Syracuse plays you UNC.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be a game where we really figure out
Speaker 4: what Fran Brown's made of.
Speaker 2: Cool. I just ultimately, you have to admit, even you,
Speaker 2: even mister college football over there, you personally have to
Speaker 2: admit that it would be more interesting if he was
Speaker 2: in the NFL. It would just be more interesting.
Speaker 4: It would maybe be more interesting on a game to
Speaker 4: game level. I think the overall story of what he
Speaker 4: is in college is there's so much meat on the
Speaker 4: ball in there. It's it's so fascinating to disagree.
Speaker 2: You don't think it would be more fascinating for us
Speaker 2: to have a Bill Brady comes back with the Bucks.
Speaker 2: But for Bill, like next year the Patriots have a
Speaker 2: home game where the other coach on the other sideline
Speaker 2: is Bill Belich.
Speaker 4: One game that one game would be really interesting.
Speaker 2: But this is so unique, Bill chasing Shule in a
Speaker 2: different I like, you know.
Speaker 4: What Bill become Bill getting that that that rarefied super
Speaker 4: Bowl in national championship. Again, Carol Switchers.
Speaker 2: So out of control thinking and that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: And think that hasn't happened in twenty years. But that's
Speaker 4: and and he would have done it.
Speaker 2: He's noting a national championship at North Carolina. His best
Speaker 2: that's crazy. His best case scenario at North Carolina is
Speaker 2: that they make the College Football Playoff and he like
Speaker 2: puts that program on a on the map. In that respect,
Speaker 2: there's no way he's winning a national champion. All right,
Speaker 2: let's take these calls and and get into some of
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Speaker 2: But start us off, Patty is an Aga. What's up, Patty?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Gentlemen? How's your Thursday going?
Speaker 2: What's going well?
Speaker 3: How are you pretty good? Evan, I got to talk
Speaker 3: some more college football. Sorry, but I got I got
Speaker 3: a question for each of you. Alvin, you brought up
Speaker 3: I think it was the last week of the week
Speaker 3: before when you started breaking down film that Travis Hunter
Speaker 3: he felt like, was the only blue chip that you
Speaker 3: felt like Will Campbell was also worthy of taking top five.
Speaker 3: Just observing what you observed through Will Campbell on film,
Speaker 3: do you think like he's a high he can get
Speaker 3: to the level, like his ceiling is a high, like
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl left tackle. That's my question for you
Speaker 3: and Alex. I'll pick that off there. But Alex, I
Speaker 3: got two players I want to throw at you and
Speaker 3: you tell me stutter dud Jaden Higgins from Iowa state
Speaker 3: wide receiver and Terrence Ferguson's tight end for Oregon.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Patti, thanks for the call on Will Campbell.
Speaker 2: This is a gonna be an ongoing debate I can
Speaker 2: tell for the next five months about Will Campbell and
Speaker 2: where he fits on the offensive line. I believe that
Speaker 2: Will Campbell is has Pro Bowl caliber traits as an
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Where on the offensive line, whether that's on
Speaker 2: the inside or the outside. I'm still TBD on right.
Speaker 2: I need to see the measuables. I need to watch
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I need to hear a little
Speaker 2: bit more from people that I trust. But do I
Speaker 2: think that he has the blocking talent to be a
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl caliber guard or tackle? Yes, I just don't
Speaker 2: know which one he is yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I will come down to the our measurement, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So the two guys he asked, I know I haven't
Speaker 4: done a ton on the Iowa State receiver, so sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to TVD there. Who is the other one?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Thought that was your job to keep
Speaker 2: track of those guys.
Speaker 4: I know it was, and I can't what was the.
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay. He throws two random names at
Speaker 2: you every single week, Patty email and if you can,
Speaker 2: yeah dot com because Alex base gadeted so then we
Speaker 2: can get that second name for you.
Speaker 4: Terrence Ferguson from Morgan That's who was. Yeah, he's I mean,
Speaker 4: like a lot of these type the tight ends in
Speaker 4: this class. I feel like there's kind of a type.
Speaker 2: He got a couple of touchdowns in the championship game.
Speaker 4: Right yeah, big physical tight end, not afraid to go
Speaker 4: over the middle, like like very much. You know, central casting.
Speaker 4: That kind of thing where pretty traditional if you're you know,
Speaker 4: projected to be a mid round pick early day three,
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a player to draft and develop
Speaker 4: for a year or two behind Hunter Henry, maybe he
Speaker 4: replaces Austin Hooper as a second tight end with the
Speaker 4: idea that he's eventually gonna become that primary tight end.
Speaker 4: He'd be a fit in that role certainly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a lot of move skills what I
Speaker 2: see right Like, they move him around the formation a lot.
Speaker 2: He plays off the line a lot more what I
Speaker 2: saw at least a little bit more receiving tight end,
Speaker 2: I would say in that game. But Oregon's offense was fun.
Speaker 2: Watch them on film and we can get to that
Speaker 2: here in a second. A little bit about some of
Speaker 2: those guys that popped in in that championship game. But
Speaker 2: they run some some weird stuff, like they'll run like
Speaker 2: unbalanced line and like all sorts of stuff. They flipped
Speaker 2: their tackles a lot, and those unbalanced lines and the
Speaker 2: tight ends move around quite a bit too. So he's
Speaker 2: he's kind of versatile, Like he's sort of like a
Speaker 2: you know, bigger version of Jaem Bell. I would say,
Speaker 2: is how I saw him, at least the game that
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he's doing in the NFL, some
Speaker 4: of the formational stuff that Bell's doing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess you could. You could maybe coach him up
Speaker 4: to that. He's just kind of Bell's not as tall
Speaker 4: as lower center of gravity, who was a little more agile, Ferguson,
Speaker 4: more upright, But yeah, I could see that. He also
Speaker 4: like he has the size to become a blocker, he's
Speaker 4: so big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Riley is in Phoenix. What's up? Riley? Riley?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: Riley, give us a call back and we'll get you
Speaker 2: on the air. Uh. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up
Speaker 2: to Shawn?
Speaker 7: Getting off from work?
Speaker 2: We're good? How are you good?
Speaker 7: Good? I want? I wanted to talk about like the
Speaker 7: the strategy of trying to actually when you got to
Speaker 7: talk about the lineman. But I was thinking about, like
Speaker 7: if you guys, I think I happen to get t
Speaker 7: Mac and Hr get the free agency and the niggas
Speaker 7: pocos on the line agency trying to worry about too
Speaker 7: much in the drift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, DeShawn. Thanks for the call.
Speaker 2: It's a good segue for us because one of the
Speaker 2: big blocks off the free agency market went back to
Speaker 2: Denver today. I guess it is the easiest way to
Speaker 2: say it. Garrett Bowles signs an extension with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2: I never expected Garrett Bulls to hit unrestricted free agency.
Speaker 2: Uh still young ish, really good tackle, starting caliber tackle
Speaker 2: for Denver. You have a young quarterback then on a
Speaker 2: rookie contract, so you have the flexibility, and you also
Speaker 2: just learn from the Patriots mistakes a little bit. You
Speaker 2: don't want to put yourself in a position where you
Speaker 2: have a revolving door at left tackle with a second
Speaker 2: year quarterback in bo Nicks. So they're able to lock
Speaker 2: up Garrett Bowles, which really puts the tackle market. And
Speaker 2: I tweeted it out when it happened, this is what
Speaker 2: happens like these guys do not hit unrestricted free agency.
Speaker 2: The true premium tackles and I believe Garrett Bowles is
Speaker 2: a premium premiums doesn't necessarily mean he's top five or
Speaker 2: elite or anything like that, but he is a rock
Speaker 2: of solid sharpie him in as the starting left tackle
Speaker 2: for you in an NFL lineup. Those guys just do
Speaker 2: not hit unrestricted free agency. So the only other guys
Speaker 2: now that have a chance are Cam Robinson, who will
Speaker 2: because Minnesota has a Christian Darsol coming back off of
Speaker 2: an injury next year, so they don't need to pay
Speaker 2: a left tackle. Are they already paying a left tackle?
Speaker 2: And then Ronnie Stanley, my guess in Baltimore is gonna
Speaker 2: get franchise tagged at the least, Like I.
Speaker 4: Would be shocked if Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it does sound like Cam Robinson, who, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to look down on Cam Robinson. I think
Speaker 2: Cam Robinson would be a upgrade over what the Patriots
Speaker 2: currently have. But he is a mid level starter, right Like,
Speaker 2: He's like an NFL average starter, which again is an
Speaker 2: upgrade over what they have, but it's not We've solved
Speaker 2: this position for the next ten years. Like drafting, somebody
Speaker 2: might do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna if you're gonna draft like a
Speaker 4: project player like Josh Simmons or maybe Josh Connery falls
Speaker 4: into that territory. I know you're high on him after
Speaker 4: watching him, like he's a good plan B, but that
Speaker 4: you know, set it and forget it left tackle, you're
Speaker 4: not getting that guy in free agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cam Robinson's a solid player and he like I
Speaker 2: keep saying, you'd be better on what the Patriots have,
Speaker 2: But he's also going to be the best available tackle
Speaker 2: on the market, which means that he's gonna get paid
Speaker 2: good amount of money. Like, my guess is that you're
Speaker 2: looking at somewhere between fifteen and twenty million dollars a
Speaker 2: year to lock up Cam.
Speaker 4: Robbins's gonna get because he's the number one player at
Speaker 4: the position. He's gonna be paid like it, and you're
Speaker 4: gonna have to pay a tax for lack of talent
Speaker 4: of the position even if the dollar amount doesn't line
Speaker 4: up with the ability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talk about this all the time with
Speaker 2: these guys. Is you know you always are weary of
Speaker 2: paying top of the market dollars for a average player, right,
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to be stuck in that position
Speaker 2: where you're paying premium dollar amounts for a C C
Speaker 2: plus player, like you want to play premium dollar amounts
Speaker 2: for Blue Chippers. You don't want to pay him for
Speaker 2: just starting caliber tackles in the NFL. That's the boat
Speaker 2: that Cam Robinson would fall on if they signed a
Speaker 2: guy like Cam Robinson free agency, I wouldn't kill him
Speaker 2: for it, like I'd be like, Okay, I see the
Speaker 2: path to your point. I still think you need to
Speaker 2: draft a Day two tackle that Scott's development a upside
Speaker 2: maybe on both sides, potentially right, So maybe he's your
Speaker 2: right tackle the future instead of your left. But at
Speaker 2: least he has upside to start in this league and
Speaker 2: maybe be better than Cam Robinson down the road. I
Speaker 2: don't think you can just be done. You can't no
Speaker 2: sign Cam Robinson and be done.
Speaker 4: And I'll ad this too. It to one other point,
Speaker 4: I've seen people say this, Well, you know, if you
Speaker 4: sign T Higgins and your draft Ted McMillan, No, yeah,
Speaker 4: I get it, Like, all right, we're gonna infuse the
Speaker 4: wide receiver room with talent. Old belichickism. It's not about
Speaker 4: collecting talent, it's about building a team. Yeah, tep McMillan
Speaker 4: and T Higgins too much overlap. You can't have those
Speaker 4: same guys, they play same positions. Spider Man meme, Right,
Speaker 4: So I mean, if that's what you want to do,
Speaker 4: you're signing t Higgins's he's the best option pending. We'll
Speaker 4: see how just how pissed AJ Brown is in Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you're signing t Higgins. Okay, Now we're talking about
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter or Luther Burton. Those are complimentary players. The
Speaker 4: McMillan it's you have two x's now and you're you
Speaker 4: need more speed on the field than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. There's an email here about Ted McMillan
Speaker 2: in my take on him, So we'll get to that
Speaker 2: here in a second. But Riley's back, so let's get
Speaker 2: Riley on. What's up? Riley?
Speaker 5: Hey, fellows, how we doing good? Doing good?
Speaker 6: So a couple quick things here.
Speaker 5: So I used to be in the camp of, if
Speaker 5: the Patriots have a top five pick, that we need
Speaker 5: to trade down just to secure as many future draft
Speaker 5: picks as possible so we can replenish all the assets
Speaker 5: that we need since the laundry list is long.
Speaker 6: But as of recently, I've kind of come around to
Speaker 6: the idea of drafting Travis Hunter, just given the fact
Speaker 6: that he is the best bona fide player in the
Speaker 6: entire draft, or if not one of the best. So
Speaker 6: I just kind of wanted to get your guys' thoughts
Speaker 6: on that, if they do end up picking in the
Speaker 6: top five, would you rather select Travis Hunter or trade
Speaker 6: down and stock up and get some more draft picks.
Speaker 6: And then secondly, it was just interesting listening to Drake's
Speaker 6: press conference and I mentioned some of the receivers in
Speaker 6: Arizona and whatnot, and how Drake really stressed the urgency
Speaker 6: going into next season and with the Cardinals and the
Speaker 6: receivers that they have obviously drafting Marvin Harrison and seeing
Speaker 6: the Seattle game last week with Smith Nu Jagba, that
Speaker 6: really stresses the urgency to me as well. Obviously it's
Speaker 6: pretty glaring, but just that we need we need a guy,
Speaker 6: and Drake is the guy, so we need a guy
Speaker 6: for him to take over games to throw to. So
Speaker 6: that's it, and I'll see you guys on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Appreciated. I hope you have fun at the game if
Speaker 2: you're headed to the game on Sunday.
Speaker 4: So the Travis Hunter just named AP College Football Player
Speaker 4: of the Year so there you go. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: a player in the country.
Speaker 2: So to the first point with Travis, oh really not
Speaker 2: not your running back you second, Oh, you didn't get
Speaker 2: the vote though he was second. Does that usually foreshadow
Speaker 2: of the Heisman vote?
Speaker 4: Or is this?
Speaker 2: Are they not?
Speaker 4: Not exclusively? But yeah, so last year was like a
Speaker 4: rare year where it didn't Pennix won those. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure was Pennis that won it.
Speaker 2: Okay, huh interesting? He good? Anyways, I just say good
Speaker 2: mostly because I don't.
Speaker 4: Know Jane Daniels did with Oh, I'm thinking of the Maxwell.
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels did win this last year. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 4: Hunter Daniels, Williams, Bryce Young, Davante Smith. Yeah. So mostly yeah,
Speaker 4: mostly the Shadows, and I'm thinking of the Maxwell words.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a you know, a care
Speaker 2: about who wins the Heisman, But just to watch all
Speaker 2: of you sickos lose your mind that it's not Ashton
Speaker 2: Gentry is enough for me. I'm good with that.
Speaker 4: Going historic season, he wins it. He would have won
Speaker 4: them last year against Jane Daniels, you would have.
Speaker 2: No Jenden dan is an unreal year at LSU.
Speaker 4: Last year it's his What gent's done is truly historic.
Speaker 4: You're not going to act it's a running back in
Speaker 4: college football player.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna is the Mountain West.
Speaker 4: He was doing it, and then why isn't everybody doing it?
Speaker 4: And Daniels did it in the SEC Then why isn't
Speaker 4: everybody doing it the most?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is not the point that we don't
Speaker 2: need to get bogged down.
Speaker 4: We're college football talk.
Speaker 2: God, this is just insufferable.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Anyways to the Travis Hunter point I have. I have
Speaker 2: also come around to Travis Hunter for the Patriots because
Speaker 2: my big thesis of this entire draft is that they
Speaker 2: have to come away with the player who's worthy of
Speaker 2: the pick. Right That's that's my big thesis. And I
Speaker 2: worry a little bit in this draft about the talent
Speaker 2: at the top. I don't think everybody that we have
Speaker 2: discussed or we will discuss is necessarily a top five
Speaker 2: pick every year, right, Like, That's the biggest thing to
Speaker 2: me is that I want to make sure that the
Speaker 2: Patriot it's secure a top five player. And you're in
Speaker 2: and year out right, a guy that would be a
Speaker 2: top five player in almost every single draft. It's not
Speaker 2: always going to happen that way. I understand that. You know,
Speaker 2: last year's draft, for example, was just exceptionally loaded at
Speaker 2: the top, right, you had blue chip seven eight blue
Speaker 2: chip players. Like that doesn't happen every single year. But
Speaker 2: on the whole, I want to come away with the
Speaker 2: guy that is a top five consensus talent. Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is really the only guy that fits that mold. I
Speaker 2: would say, I think everybody else that you spot you
Speaker 2: speak about a non quarterback category, everyone has some tepredation
Speaker 2: about the pick. Right. It's yeah, Will Campbell's not tackle build,
Speaker 2: you know, doesn't have the arm length of a typical tackle.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan is not everybody's cup of team mine included, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's not everybody's favorite style of receiver so to speak,
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, guy like Mason Graham, who I
Speaker 2: watched I wanted to talk to a little talk about
Speaker 2: a little bit today. Awesome talent, but he's an interior
Speaker 2: defensive lineman, right Like, not usually a position that's considered
Speaker 2: premium level positions. So all these other guys have these
Speaker 2: types of warts in their profiles. It's pretty hard to
Speaker 2: find a war in Travis Hunter's profile, right, like maybe
Speaker 2: if it's your thing of like which side of the
Speaker 2: ball is he gonna play full time? And you know that.
Speaker 2: Navigating that whole conversation.
Speaker 4: I think there's because you know my thing. There's no
Speaker 4: such thing as a perfect prospect, ye, And there's two
Speaker 4: sides to that. It's also to say that you can
Speaker 4: say a guy has areas of improvement or weaknesses and
Speaker 4: still admit he's elite. An elite prospect to me, with Hunter,
Speaker 4: it's won the development plan and then just durability and
Speaker 4: some of that ties in with the development plan. But
Speaker 4: he's not exactly like he could probably put weight on.
Speaker 4: He's not exactly built. Yeah, that's if you're gonna play
Speaker 4: him a lot, either as your number one wide receivers,
Speaker 4: gonna be on the field a ton, or playing both ways.
Speaker 4: Like I think he probably needs to put some masks
Speaker 4: on or he's really gonna have some problems with injuries
Speaker 4: at the next level. It's doable, but you have to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: I still think that he can play a wide receiver
Speaker 2: at a really high level. I got some flak on
Speaker 2: on the X machine yesterday about this, who said he
Speaker 2: couldn't Well, just I think some people, you mean, without
Speaker 2: putting on weight or just no, no, I just think
Speaker 2: some people if you're gonna.
Speaker 4: Send him over the middle like that, like he needs
Speaker 4: a little more questions.
Speaker 2: I think some people are of the thinking that Will Johnson,
Speaker 2: who declared yesterday, is one of the guys I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about of his decision, which you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people think Will Johnson is the best corner
Speaker 2: in the draft. A lot of people think that Teed
Speaker 2: McMillan is the best wide receiver in the draft. So
Speaker 2: now that those are Travis Hunter, so.
Speaker 4: Can I can I say something on that real quick?
Speaker 4: Because I tweeted earlier about McMillan and people jumped down
Speaker 4: my throat. I'm calling Tep McMillan the best receiver in
Speaker 4: the draft. I'm calling Will Johnson the best corner in
Speaker 4: the draft. Travis Hunter is the best Travis Hunter in
Speaker 4: the draft. He is his own thing. Okay, Okay, I
Speaker 4: am not classic, but but isn't that because like we
Speaker 4: don't know this. This goes to the whole thing that
Speaker 4: crawls up my ass about edge. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 4: why this is why we need it. Yeah, because all right, well,
Speaker 4: on some teams. He might be a defensive end. On
Speaker 4: some teams, he might be a linebacker. We don't know,
Speaker 4: so here's the way to rank them. Travis Hunter is
Speaker 4: my number one rank dual threat player in this draft.
Speaker 4: He's a separate conversation. You're not number one athlete. That's
Speaker 4: what this recruiting is. Yeah, good job college football there.
Speaker 4: Do you really think there's any team that's sitting there
Speaker 4: debating Travis Hunter the wide receiver, Like, Okay, we see
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter as a receiver. Yeah, and we're going to
Speaker 4: debate him versu ten Like. I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 4: It's the debate is more, do we want a player
Speaker 4: who has a defined position and we can just plug
Speaker 4: and play, or do we want this guy who's more
Speaker 4: talented but there's going to be more work on the
Speaker 4: part of the coaching staff to figure that out. That's
Speaker 4: the debate. If he is a wide receiver, he's the
Speaker 4: number one wide receiver, But we don't know if he's
Speaker 4: wide receiver because we don't know, and I don't think
Speaker 4: there is. There probably isn't a consensus among all thirty
Speaker 4: two teams. So tem McMillan wide receiver one Will Johnson
Speaker 4: corner one, and it helps that neither of those spots
Speaker 4: are debatable. Beyond Hunter, Burton's not the wide receiver one anymore.
Speaker 4: Maybe Chavone Revel would have got there if he didn't
Speaker 4: tear his acl Well, we're a few months away from
Speaker 4: getting to him. Travis Hunter is the number one Travis
Speaker 4: Hunter in the draft.
Speaker 2: That's such a hue answer. I would urge people to
Speaker 2: watch a little bit more than just casually watching college
Speaker 2: football on a college football Saturday with Travis Hunter at
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Travis Hunder at wide receiver really impressed me,
Speaker 2: like really did. His instincts and his ball skills are
Speaker 2: a lot better than I thought they would be. What
Speaker 2: I mean by instincts is just sort of feeling out
Speaker 2: coverages and soft spots and working over the middle of
Speaker 2: the field, and working with his quarterback and tandem with
Speaker 2: Shador and being able to kind of play that two
Speaker 2: man game with the two of those guys when he
Speaker 2: goes off script and off platform. Hands like excellent hands,
Speaker 2: body control, ability to finish through contact at the catch point,
Speaker 2: like all these little detailed minutias that we talk about.
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that he's sort of missing
Speaker 2: from that standpoint is like, uh, you know, real route
Speaker 2: running ability against Manton Man. Yeah, Like that's probably the
Speaker 2: next step for him, is like learning all the little
Speaker 2: tricks of the trade of how but like if you
Speaker 2: have him focusing on that position, then he'll catch on
Speaker 2: to those types of things Letticism pops and then I
Speaker 2: would just say, you know, those details, the ability to
Speaker 2: find a soft spot in his zone, the ability to
Speaker 2: work in tandem with the quarterback off script, the ability
Speaker 2: to like he has some unreal catches on his tape,
Speaker 2: like really great plays at the at the catch point.
Speaker 2: So I really came away from his film just thinking
Speaker 2: a lot more of him as a receiver than I thought,
Speaker 2: because I was of the mind as well that he
Speaker 2: was a corner, like you know, and he was a
Speaker 2: better corner, and he might still be a better corner.
Speaker 2: But then we get into the conversation of positional value
Speaker 2: and what's more important in that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So all I had this too on Hunter. I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people who aren't big time college football fans,
Speaker 4: they watched Colorado early on last year when they kind
Speaker 4: of made that initial surge, didn't follow him down the
Speaker 4: stretch and then this year, they weren't in the national
Speaker 4: picture till very late. It's night and day last year
Speaker 4: to this year. If you're thinking of Travis Hunter the
Speaker 4: receiver last year, I understand why maybe you're not super sold.
Speaker 4: I wasn't at first. I had to go back and
Speaker 4: revisit it. His improvement at receiver from twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty four is immense. So if you're basing
Speaker 4: it off of what you saw during that last year,
Speaker 4: he was just kind of running the space and Shular
Speaker 4: was throwing on the ball. He wasn't like playing receiver
Speaker 4: at a super technically high level. He added the technical
Speaker 4: part to the position this offseason. He clearly put its
Speaker 4: ton of work in.
Speaker 2: On it well, because I think he wants to play.
Speaker 4: Because I think he went right exactly because he saw
Speaker 4: it was possibility in the NFL. Probably didn't consider that before.
Speaker 4: So don't you gotta go off of that more than
Speaker 4: just that initial burst last year? Like he he got
Speaker 4: tremendously better from last year this year, and even over
Speaker 4: the course of this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a list here of things I
Speaker 2: wanted to to hit on with the draft as well.
Speaker 2: I know we already, we're gonna get one tech McMillan
Speaker 2: taken there because I have a I did research on
Speaker 2: something and so I have him on my declared list here.
Speaker 2: So let's start because I have a recency bias. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: I already we already go in recent I.
Speaker 4: Have one too. Let me tell check my notes. I
Speaker 4: think I have one too.
Speaker 2: So we're already going recency by which is fun. But
Speaker 2: I have some Let's get to like the new Zier
Speaker 2: items first. Okay, So the big one I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about today was I got my hands on the
Speaker 2: help me here Oregon Penn State with Big ten Big Ten.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna knock you for not knowing the
Speaker 4: conferences at this point because.
Speaker 2: I didn't know before. I'm definitely not gonna note now.
Speaker 2: So the Big Ten championship game that was played last
Speaker 2: week in Oregon Penn State really fun game. I watched
Speaker 2: it live. We were even Jess was kind of into it.
Speaker 2: She was like, this is what the heck is going on?
Speaker 4: I was not expecting that to be a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was, especially following did you watch Texas Georgia till yes,
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it as closely as I watched Oregon
Speaker 2: Penn State. But the two kind of big takeaways from
Speaker 2: Oregon Penn State. One, Abdul Carter is an absolute dude.
Speaker 2: Like that guy. I had him on my list of
Speaker 2: like top he was the top guy in my next tier.
Speaker 2: If the Patriots were to trade down a little bit.
Speaker 2: We talked about this when we were waiting to go
Speaker 2: out to practice today. I'm pretty close to moving him
Speaker 2: up into the S tier, Like he's.
Speaker 4: The worthy of a top five pick. You're not trading down,
Speaker 4: You're taking him on the spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I'm close, And if he has a good playoff,
Speaker 2: then he's gonna definitely be in this list for me,
Speaker 2: I think the things that stand out about his game
Speaker 2: and you know this is what I mentioned to you earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm really big on I don't tell me the number,
Speaker 2: don't tell me the position. I just want to turn
Speaker 2: on the tape and be able to point to the
Speaker 2: guy I'm.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be. You can just tell this guy's different.
Speaker 2: He is a different human being. Like he moves differently
Speaker 2: than everybody else on the field. He moves like a
Speaker 2: top ten, top five, top ten pick in an NFL draft.
Speaker 2: His explosiveness and his just twitch and athleticism is incredible.
Speaker 2: It's elite, right like he's he is shot out of
Speaker 2: a cannon. I think one of the things that stood
Speaker 2: out to me though, the most about this film against
Speaker 2: Oregon for Abdul Carter, his effort and his motor in
Speaker 2: this game were awesome, Like he he was into it
Speaker 2: right like and he was You don't know what those
Speaker 2: types of guys like. I get it. He's competing at
Speaker 2: a high stage. He should be into it. It's a
Speaker 2: box check for him. But let's face it, he's going
Speaker 2: to the NFL next year one way or another, right,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be a top five pick, top ten
Speaker 2: pick in this draft coming up one way or another.
Speaker 2: Even though he didn't recover it. To watch him dive
Speaker 2: for that fumble, there's a lot of guys that make
Speaker 2: a business decision there and don't get on the ground
Speaker 2: for that ball.
Speaker 4: APEX competitor, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: So I loved that aspect of that game. You know,
Speaker 2: he has the athleticism, you know that he has the
Speaker 2: big splash playability with his explosiveness and ability to get
Speaker 2: off the ball. I thought it was really cool to
Speaker 2: watch him compete in that game against Oregon, and really
Speaker 2: I thought in the second half of the game kind
Speaker 2: of took over at times in the pass rush, Like
Speaker 2: Oregon sort of got away from their drop back passing
Speaker 2: game because Abdul Carter was just wrecking the right tackle
Speaker 2: and they just had no choice, right They were like,
Speaker 2: we can't. Eleven's just gonna kill us if we drop
Speaker 2: back pass. So they started to run the ball and
Speaker 2: run screens and all the different Oregon crap that they
Speaker 2: run well, and.
Speaker 4: Penn State hurt themselves. They stopped rushing and they started
Speaker 4: playing them off the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a little spy stuff with him and
Speaker 2: a few drops with him in coverage. I didn't mind
Speaker 2: it as much watching back as a live I was like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? But overall, I I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm fully ready yet to put him in that
Speaker 2: you know, stick and pick category at three. But he's
Speaker 2: really darn close for me right now. And you know
Speaker 2: the exciting part about that. You start to talk about
Speaker 2: getting that defense back built up for the Patriots next season.
Speaker 2: How about Abdul Carter, Christian Barmore, Keon White coming at
Speaker 2: NFL quarterbacks next year? Like that is a legitimate pass rush.
Speaker 2: That is a problem with a pass rush. Then you
Speaker 2: have Christian Gonzalez of course in the secondary to number
Speaker 2: cover number one receivers barring the coaching holding them back,
Speaker 2: which it has the times this year, barring the coaching
Speaker 2: holding them back. That's that's a legitimate core in a
Speaker 2: young core at that as well. On the defense side
Speaker 2: of the ball. It's an exciting group if that's what
Speaker 2: you go with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's a ton of potential.
Speaker 4: There's a ton of upside there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's one of those guys too. You you
Speaker 2: mentioned him playing a little bit off the ball. He
Speaker 2: did that earlier on in his career at Penn State.
Speaker 2: He can also rush in line, like over the guard
Speaker 2: and over the center. He can stunt like you can
Speaker 2: loop him around and stuff like that. On stunts like
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of different things that you can
Speaker 2: do with an explosive player like that. You know, we
Speaker 2: were trying to come up with a comp for him.
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair to compare guys to Micah Parsons,
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't put anybody in Micah Parsons's category, But
Speaker 2: he does worry number eleven. He does go to Penn State.
Speaker 2: He is a screamer. Like there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: maybe Michaeh Parsons light just to be polite to Abdul
Speaker 2: Carter and Michaeh Parsons, but exciting player. The other guy
Speaker 2: that you know is the focus when I was watching,
Speaker 2: of course, was Josh connerly the left tackle for Oregon.
Speaker 2: So a couple of things that stand out about him.
Speaker 2: First of all, I've been big on this true junior.
Speaker 2: He's only twenty, he's gonna be twenty one years.
Speaker 4: All these guys are. It's a weird thing with his
Speaker 4: class pretty much. All these guys are true juniors. And
Speaker 4: just to piggyback off of that because I love this
Speaker 4: element of it. So Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks also true juniors. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the number one offensive line recruit in that class, not
Speaker 4: Will Campbell, not Kelvin Banks, was Josh Connery. Yeah, Banks,
Speaker 4: Campbelon Banks jumped in because they started all three years.
Speaker 4: They started as true freshman. Connory was buried in Oregon,
Speaker 4: I think either as one and a half or two
Speaker 4: full years as a starter. But we know that Bill
Speaker 4: would do this right, go back and look at the
Speaker 4: high school rankings and maybe did something get lost in
Speaker 4: the wash at the college level that we can top
Speaker 4: out on. Three years ago, Josh Connery was considered the
Speaker 4: best of these three players.
Speaker 2: So he's clearly got in my mind, and not top
Speaker 2: half of the first round, but first round athleticism. Like
Speaker 2: he's got first round physical tools to his game, springy
Speaker 2: right out of his stance, can mirror the edge, did
Speaker 2: a really nice job on multiple reps running Abdul Carter
Speaker 2: pass the quarterback, Like, he can get to those spots
Speaker 2: and he can push guys past the QB and he
Speaker 2: can pass protect on an island. He's an athletic guy,
Speaker 2: so he can reach and he can move in the
Speaker 2: run game, have a couple of really good poles and
Speaker 2: climbs and reaches an outside zone and like all that
Speaker 2: good stuff. So when you start to talk about assuming
Speaker 2: it's Alex van Pelt, assuming it's Scott Peters, you know,
Speaker 2: back here again next year for the Patriots. He fits
Speaker 2: the mold of like a zone blocking left tackle right,
Speaker 2: Like you have an athletic guy that can move at
Speaker 2: the position, that can pin pole and that can crack
Speaker 2: toss and that can outside zone, that can pass protect
Speaker 2: on an island, that left tackle. He fits the mold. Now,
Speaker 2: some of the things that I saw in his game,
Speaker 2: there are some holes, Like there's gonna be some you know.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a swing in baseball where you
Speaker 2: have like one part of your swing that just has
Speaker 2: a hole in it, right, Like he has that with
Speaker 2: his past sets where he'll open the the inside a
Speaker 2: little bit too much much in play with a soft
Speaker 2: inside shoulder. He's gonna have to clean that up, you know,
Speaker 2: not over set and get himself extended to the outside.
Speaker 2: You know, ab Dual Carter beat him a few times
Speaker 2: by going back inside, right, he would set to the outside,
Speaker 2: he'd get to the apex of the rush, and then
Speaker 2: Dual Carter would hit him with you know, like a
Speaker 2: swim or a little stab or something and get back
Speaker 2: to the inside. He's gonna have to clean that up
Speaker 2: a little bit. He's not the biggest people mover, Like
Speaker 2: this is not a downhill run blocking tackle. But if
Speaker 2: you're gonna be a stretch, you know, outside zone type
Speaker 2: of run game and you want somebody that can pass
Speaker 2: protect and protect the edge, he fits the bill. He
Speaker 2: fits the mold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and I think he's the guy. Again. He
Speaker 4: has less experience, so that's why he's not there with
Speaker 4: campbellon Banks, but projected second round right now. I don't
Speaker 4: know that that stays. But that guy we talked about
Speaker 4: Josh Simmons last week, I think he's that guy. People
Speaker 4: want Josh Simmons to be. Where you can take Travis Hunter,
Speaker 4: Teed McMillan, Abdul Carter at the top of the draft
Speaker 4: and still get your potential franchise tackle. It's more second
Speaker 4: pick than second round. You're probably gonna have to move up.
Speaker 4: Can you move up into the twenties and take him?
Speaker 4: It's kind of moved they should consider making agree. But
Speaker 4: he has legitimate franchise tackle upside, He's not as polished
Speaker 4: as the other two. He's what I call a year
Speaker 4: one starter, maybe more than a day one starter. But
Speaker 4: I mean, if they we were talking earlier about Cam Robinson,
Speaker 4: you come out with Cam Robinson on a one year
Speaker 4: deal and Josh Connolly with your second pick, I would
Speaker 4: say that they've properly addressed the tackle position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, he's the guy that look and I
Speaker 2: want to see him in the playoff and like, let's
Speaker 2: see some more tape. I've only watched one game. I
Speaker 2: have the Ohio State game loaded for the plane, so
Speaker 2: we'll watch that one too.
Speaker 4: But then Oregon's in that that murderer's row of the
Speaker 4: bracket where he's either gonna get James Pearce or Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 2: In the first row, right, So he's already played Ohio
Speaker 2: State right once before earlier this year. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: watch that on the plane on Friday to Arizona, so I'll.
Speaker 4: So he'll do that, and then he'll either get in
Speaker 4: the first round playoff, either get a Hio State again
Speaker 4: or Tennessee, which James Pearce is another first round edge rushing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so'd be good to see because he's gonna get some quality,
Speaker 4: quality reps here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be good to see because the one thing
Speaker 2: that I worry about with him a little bit is
Speaker 2: his play strength and his anchor, Like I think he
Speaker 2: can get pushed around at times, but at the same time.
Speaker 4: Pierce isn't the guy to judgem against because Pierce is
Speaker 4: a fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that was like sort of as the
Speaker 2: game were on, And I love the chess match between
Speaker 2: a good pass rusher and a tackle because like Abdul
Speaker 2: Carter kept on trying to beat him around the edge,
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna beat Josh Connerly around the edge,
Speaker 2: like he's got too much athleticism and he's too quick
Speaker 2: on his feet. It's gonna be really hard to do that.
Speaker 2: But as the game we're on, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter was like, oh, well, if I go really
Speaker 2: hard for three steps out, then he's going to open
Speaker 2: the inside and I can swim back into the inside.
Speaker 2: So that was sort of that, you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: what a guy like James Pierce like if he opens
Speaker 2: up again, right, Like, does he get himself opened up
Speaker 2: and over commit to the outside rush, then he'll give
Speaker 2: up the inside.
Speaker 4: Was that your recency bias guy?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, okay, But I was impressed with the
Speaker 2: game that I watched. Now a lot of people would
Speaker 2: tell you that the Big Ten Championship game was his
Speaker 2: best game of the year, So I'll have to watch
Speaker 2: some more with him.
Speaker 4: You know where a ceiling is, though, and that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where his ceiling is. And I would
Speaker 2: also just say, as much as you know, I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily wholly agree with this take if you want to
Speaker 2: start building, you know, mock drafts or go through scenarios
Speaker 2: where they still can pick. You know, the three guys
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, Hunter, McMillan, Carter at the top of
Speaker 2: the draft and then still get a tackle with real
Speaker 2: premium starter upside. Then Connerly I think fits that. Bill.
Speaker 2: He might be that guy at thirty four in this draft.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's falling that far. But do you
Speaker 4: move thirty four, maybe that third you got for Judah
Speaker 4: and a future pick get up to the twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's I second round pick in second pick, need
Speaker 4: to they're not anonymous for this team. There's real arguments
Speaker 4: we made their second pick should be in the first round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4: And if so, Connorly is the exact kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So a few more guys that declared, and then
Speaker 2: we'll get to recency byas Mason Graham declared. And I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's surprised by that. So what I saw
Speaker 2: with Mason Graham throw on his table real quick.
Speaker 4: Sorry, cutch Off. Yeah, none of these guys have None
Speaker 4: of these have been surprises. There's one guy every year
Speaker 4: was Fashan who a couple of years ago. Remember, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is like a top fifteen pick that, for one
Speaker 4: reason or the other goes back to school still waiting
Speaker 4: to see who that is because we haven't had that
Speaker 4: surprise yet this year. Yes, class can't afford it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Mason Graham. I made this comparison when I
Speaker 2: was texting you about him. I see a lot of
Speaker 2: Brandon Fiskey with the Rams and Mason Graham maybe like
Speaker 2: a more complete pro style defensive tackle, maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit better against the run. But Brandon Fiskey has had
Speaker 2: an awesome year for the Rams, and you see a
Speaker 2: lot of the same traits with Mason Graham. Just really
Speaker 2: quick into his gaps, you know, shot out of cannon
Speaker 2: off the ball, explosive, high motor, a bunch of different
Speaker 2: pass rush moves that he can use in his arsenal.
Speaker 2: His arm over is his best, but he has a
Speaker 2: couple of different ones. A really good push poll too,
Speaker 2: which is a nice compliment to the arm over. He's
Speaker 2: got some stuff in his toolbox and uh, and you
Speaker 2: see these combinations of things that he has. I would say,
Speaker 2: is that your fourth water of this show?
Speaker 4: I'm well, one of them is like frozen, so there's
Speaker 4: still a bunch in there, but it doesn't help me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, uh, My thing with Mason Graham is that
Speaker 2: in the NFL, I think he's a three technique through
Speaker 2: and through, Like I don't think that this is I
Speaker 2: was hoping that maybe he was gonna be a little
Speaker 2: bit stouter to play him over the tax Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you could play him in Barmore together more regularly. To me,
Speaker 2: I'm just not necessarily seeing the great fit because you're
Speaker 2: gonna also have to have Keon White rush on the
Speaker 2: interior on third downs two, So like now you're talking
Speaker 2: about getting three true interior guys all on the field
Speaker 2: at the same time, and I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: a path to that necessarily for the Patriots. I didn't
Speaker 2: love some of Mason Graham his run defense tape. I
Speaker 2: think he plays with high pads. I think he gets
Speaker 2: moved off the ball a little bit too much. So
Speaker 2: the further away that you move him away from the ball,
Speaker 2: the harder it's gonna be for him to just penetrate
Speaker 2: and make plays in the backfield. So he's got a
Speaker 2: play of like I would say as a three technique,
Speaker 2: pure three technique in between the guard, in the in
Speaker 2: the tackle, like that's his natural position. So you start
Speaker 2: talking about how does the puzzle pieces fit together, It's
Speaker 2: a little bit about like Ted McMillan and T Higgins, right, like,
Speaker 2: how do the puzzle pieces fit together? Really really high
Speaker 2: end talent. I just don't necessarily know if it makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for the Patriots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing I said last week. If that's the
Speaker 4: kind of player you want, and not that high of
Speaker 4: an investment on that guy, trade down, take Dean Walker.
Speaker 4: Add more, you can't burn that pick on a player
Speaker 4: that Look, they need blue chip talent, and he's blue
Speaker 4: chip talent. But Christian Barmore is one of the few
Speaker 4: blue chip players you have. You don't I talk about
Speaker 4: upgrades in additions when we come to the draft, where
Speaker 4: an upgrade is a better version of a player you
Speaker 4: already have. And I don't even think Graham's an upgrade.
Speaker 4: But they need additions. They need guys that bring things
Speaker 4: they don't have. Graham's a really good player, and they
Speaker 4: need good players, but they happen to have a guy
Speaker 4: that does what he does at a high level.
Speaker 2: You basically would have three guys that all want to
Speaker 2: rush on the guards, right, and you can only have
Speaker 2: two guys that rush on the guard on any given play, right,
Speaker 2: So at that point, trying to find that that usually
Speaker 2: would mean someone's playing at a position or not to
Speaker 2: their strength. Right, So you're trying to find the pieces.
Speaker 2: Whereas like a guy like Abdul Carter clearly an edge rusher, right, then.
Speaker 4: He's your Matthew jud Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, you can see how those puzzle pieces fit together.
Speaker 2: The other guy that declared who I feel similarly about,
Speaker 2: but also one of these you know, blue chip town
Speaker 2: Will Johnson, who we talked a little bit about earlier.
Speaker 2: He declared out of Michigan as well. What I do
Speaker 2: like about Will Johnson goes back to my true junior thing.
Speaker 2: We all knew Will Johnson was going to be a
Speaker 2: top ten pick in this draft last year after the
Speaker 2: National Championship Game, right, Like he was already there. This
Speaker 2: was like a bonus year for him in college just
Speaker 2: because he had to get to the minimum requirement to
Speaker 2: be eligible for the NFL. So I don't really put
Speaker 2: a whole lot of stock in his tape or I
Speaker 2: know he had some like injuries and some issues this year.
Speaker 4: He got hurt six games in and then there were
Speaker 4: some questions about like was he doing the most he
Speaker 4: could get back?
Speaker 2: He might have shut down. Yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: knock guys for that. I know some people do. I
Speaker 2: know it's not some people's cup of teacas. They want
Speaker 2: competitors and all that kind of stuff. I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: not guys for that as much. You know. I'll give
Speaker 2: you a great example of the Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase is the one everybody goes back to.
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase said the exact same thing. It hasn't done anything.
Speaker 4: Well, no, he literally just sat out the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh he he did pretty good in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Leonard Fournette like a little bit, remember like he goes
Speaker 2: back to LSU.
Speaker 4: For that last yearn Marvin Harrison, there were some question
Speaker 4: well not games, but like he didn't even do the
Speaker 4: pro day. Yeah, we've heard of guys sitting out the combine,
Speaker 4: but didn't he sit out his pro day? There was
Speaker 4: something weird where like he wasn't doing things that everybody
Speaker 4: else was doing.
Speaker 2: So needless to say, I don't put a ton of
Speaker 2: stock in that kind of stuff. But Will Johnson, just
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on him as a prospect.
Speaker 4: Really good man corner, like he is a Bill Belichick corner.
Speaker 4: He's got the length, he's got the mirroring skills, he's
Speaker 4: got the instincts. He's not an elite, elite athlete, but
Speaker 4: he's like Gonzales. He's not quite the athlete Gonzalez is,
Speaker 4: for instance, but I think he's more polished than Gonzalez
Speaker 4: was coming out. Just technically, he's amazing technically and for
Speaker 4: a team like the Patriots, Okay, Gonzalez, who's the athlete?
Speaker 4: So how many times are you going to face two
Speaker 4: teams with two receivers? Right? So him and Gonzales within
Speaker 4: two years would probably be top three, if not the
Speaker 4: best corner to tandem in the league. And it's different
Speaker 4: than Mason Graham. People hear me say this, right, Oh,
Speaker 4: you just said they shouldn't draft Mason Graham. This overlap. Well,
Speaker 4: you can put two corners, two boundary corners on the
Speaker 4: field at the same time. It's harder with you know,
Speaker 4: rushing rushing up the middle. So if that's the route
Speaker 4: the Patriots want to go, I'd understand it. I'd probably
Speaker 4: rather trade down spread the wealth. This is not a
Speaker 4: great cornerback draft if that's where they want to make
Speaker 4: a premium edition. So I'll I mentioned this name earlier
Speaker 4: just to kind of put the bow on it. Chevon Revel,
Speaker 4: who I'm gonna guess you haven't done any work on.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with him. So there's
Speaker 4: only one other corner projected to go in the first
Speaker 4: round this year, or at least it you know, was
Speaker 4: projected going in the first round, Jeavon Revel from ECU,
Speaker 4: and he tore his ACL midway through the season, so
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with him. Benjamin Morrison from Notre
Speaker 4: Dame has kind of been in the conversation as well
Speaker 4: as well, But.
Speaker 2: Like, this draft stinks.
Speaker 4: If you want a blue chip corner, yeah it's Will
Speaker 4: Johnson or again, Travis Hunter is his own thing, the
Speaker 4: number one Travis Hunter in the draft. But if you
Speaker 4: want that guy to pair full time with Christian Gonzales,
Speaker 4: it's probably Will Johnson. Do you want to do that
Speaker 4: or would you rather spread it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm not really super high on doing that.
Speaker 2: I think it's more of like a philosophical thing where
Speaker 2: I feel like, if they build a pass rush then
Speaker 2: I think their corners are good enough that they can
Speaker 2: cover on the back end. Right now, I say the
Speaker 2: biggest problem with the Patriots defense is not their cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: It's their coverage or their pass rush. To excuse me,
Speaker 2: So I would look at that, you know, the Patriots
Speaker 2: right now, just analytically. I believe there. It fluctuates every week.
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty seventh right now in the league
Speaker 2: in pressure rate. Like that to me is the number
Speaker 2: one issue with this pass defense. It's that they can't
Speaker 2: get to the quarterback. I don't think that their corners
Speaker 2: have been terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Now
Speaker 2: do they need that what we always talk about, that
Speaker 2: big outside guy right that can play the boundary against
Speaker 2: bigger receivers opposite Gonzales, Yeah, they do. But I wonder
Speaker 2: if that's Alex Austin a little bit. I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's a free agency.
Speaker 4: I think that's more a free agency. We talked about
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Carlton Davis or you know, any one of
Speaker 2: these guys that are going to be you know, there
Speaker 2: are a couple I'm not banking on some of their
Speaker 2: names right now. Yeah, I know DJ Moore is like
Speaker 2: the other wise or not DJ Reid, but he's he's
Speaker 2: kind of like a Jonathan Jones replacement more than he
Speaker 2: would be, you know, that kind of guy. But I
Speaker 2: look at free agency and I wonder if you can
Speaker 2: get even just like you know, I keep I always
Speaker 2: think of the Bills getting Rasoul Douglas. He's just a
Speaker 2: really solid NFL cornerback, right. He's not he's not Christian Gonzalez, right,
Speaker 2: but he's just a really solid NFL cornerback. Like I
Speaker 2: would almost rather go that direction and free agency and
Speaker 2: maybe pay ten twelve million for a corner that can
Speaker 2: just come in and play that spot, then draft somebody
Speaker 2: like Will Johnson. He's really technically sound, really smooth. What
Speaker 2: I love about Will Johnson is there's zero panic to
Speaker 2: his game, no which when you see patient, calm corners,
Speaker 2: you know that they just trust their God.
Speaker 4: Let me this way, Bill was still here, that's the pick.
Speaker 2: It'd be at the top of their board.
Speaker 4: I will on Revel real quick. I'm watch him at
Speaker 4: some point. So you and Ecu Corner going in the
Speaker 4: first round, it's like, what's going on? Well, Toledo Corner
Speaker 4: went in the first, right, but he was special. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so Reveel also Qui Quin Mitchell had multiple years. Sean
Speaker 4: Revel really only has one full year of tape. Let's
Speaker 4: say he falls a little bit, they have those two
Speaker 4: third round picks, Like, if he really falls, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: mind them taking a shot on him at day two,
Speaker 4: Like that would be an interesting pick.
Speaker 2: Doubt to me, it would be. If we're gonna draft
Speaker 2: corner draft, that's where I would do it. Third or
Speaker 2: fourth round draft the trades guy, right draft, a longer
Speaker 2: trades guy.
Speaker 4: He's like six three one ninety elite.
Speaker 2: App Yeah, go find your your wrek oneling right.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he'll fall that far. I think
Speaker 4: he might still end up being at fifty pick. Medical
Speaker 4: testing will be big from obviously, but uh, if he
Speaker 4: starts to fall, like he should absolutely be on their radar.
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, last one on the declared list, and
Speaker 2: then we'll get to the last couple of calls, emails, recency, bias,
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Everybody's favorite tech McMillan declared for
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. No shocker there whatsoever. So we have
Speaker 2: an email here from a regular listener. This is John
Speaker 2: in Louisiana, and he said that he believes that my
Speaker 2: dislike of Tech McMillan dislikes probably strong, just not. I'm
Speaker 2: not over the moon about Tech McMillan. My luke warm
Speaker 2: feelings about Tet McMillan are because he's not my type
Speaker 2: of receiver that I like. This is true, that I
Speaker 2: like the fast, twitchy guys. Now John takes a little
Speaker 2: too far. John says that if Mike Evans was in
Speaker 2: this draft, I would not like Mike Evans. And that's
Speaker 2: taking it a little god too far.
Speaker 4: Remembering Mike Evans in college. No, you, Johnny Manzil, it's
Speaker 4: all give you know. I could see you being out
Speaker 4: on Johnny Manziel. I could see Johnny Manziel, Sure, sorry
Speaker 4: on on Yeah, I was out on Manziel. I could
Speaker 4: see being out on Mike.
Speaker 2: I loved Mike Evans in college. I was. I was
Speaker 2: a Mike Evans guy. I was. I thought he made
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel and that's not revision.
Speaker 4: No, it's true. But like you weren't hardened yet by
Speaker 4: the process.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I haven't been current.
Speaker 4: You look at that, you would have you would have
Speaker 4: were Oh well, you know, they're too worried about Manzel
Speaker 4: running around.
Speaker 2: And I could see feel about Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: I think you would feel the same way you can
Speaker 4: do about McMillan. I think you would say I like him,
Speaker 4: but I don't love him.
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about Mike Evans. Mike Evans
Speaker 2: to me, Mike the NFL player, Mike Evans the what
Speaker 2: we the NFL player fine, the Tampa Bay buccaneer. Mike
Speaker 2: Evans has graduated in the category of I will not
Speaker 2: player comp college prospects to Mike Evans. He is too good.
Speaker 2: We have graduated Mike Evans to the to the elite, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, elite club right where like we can't comp
Speaker 2: players to Randy Moss, we don't comp players to Mike Evans,
Speaker 2: right Like, that's that's just where we're at. For me
Speaker 2: personally with Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a good rule. I every year the number
Speaker 4: one tight end is Baby Gronk. Yeah, like they can't
Speaker 4: all be because he's one of one, right, So the
Speaker 4: Bowers he's pretty good. He's not Gronk, but he's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I still stand by my take on Teed McMillan for right,
Speaker 2: now I think he's a first round prospect. Like, don't,
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted, like I'm not fifteen prospect probably
Speaker 2: in this draft. Yeah, but my biggest concern about it
Speaker 2: is what I just said. In this draft, right like
Speaker 2: in other drafts at that position, like last year's wide
Speaker 2: receiver group, it's a loaded group. I get that, but
Speaker 2: he's still wide receiver four at best in that class
Speaker 2: last year? Is he not? Like he's not ahead of
Speaker 2: Harrison Neighbors in a donesay, Like he's just not as
Speaker 2: good of a prospect as that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree. All right, well, so then let's
Speaker 4: do this one three. Tell me want to stop Flowers?
Speaker 4: That was also a bad receiver draft. All right, so
Speaker 4: time we're to stop Zay Flowers. Yeah, Jackson Smith and
Speaker 4: Jigba Yeah, Jordan Addison.
Speaker 2: Stop. He's better than than Adison. He's definitely a player,
Speaker 2: and he's also definitely better than the kid in Quentin Johnson.
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, you don't like quin I'm glad you said
Speaker 4: stop because I was trying. I can't. I was like,
Speaker 4: I can't say Quentin Johnson, Josh Downs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's better than those guys, Okay, I I
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, I love in that class. I
Speaker 2: thought Jason. I thought jays N was the best receiver
Speaker 2: in that class. Even I thought you would say, no,
Speaker 2: I had jays N even though I even though I
Speaker 2: love Zay personally, I I had j s N better.
Speaker 2: And jays N has been great by the way for
Speaker 2: Seattle this year.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But uh, I can't come around on Ted McMillan just yet.
Speaker 2: I think the two things that look it's you could
Speaker 2: be right, John. I'll allow for this one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten percent. This could be a personal issue. This could
Speaker 2: be me the one thing that I can't the two
Speaker 2: things that I can't come away from thinking. Number one,
Speaker 2: it's not that they need Taekwon Thornton. They don't need
Speaker 2: four to two, right, But I just want some vertical
Speaker 2: stretch element with Drake May like the one you can't
Speaker 2: go and be a slow offense with a quarterback that
Speaker 2: can rip it sixty five yards Like that's just gonna
Speaker 2: drive me absolutely nuts. Like can we get somebody on
Speaker 2: this team please, that can get up the field, like
Speaker 2: somebody right that he can throw deep too, like what
Speaker 2: I keep going back to, and I know he didn't
Speaker 2: play a ton at UNC, there wasn't a ton of overlap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like tedes Walker right, like he's a one trick
Speaker 2: pony and that's why he was drafted you know later,
Speaker 2: and wasn't drafted super high. But Ted Walker could run
Speaker 2: by people, and Drake make get him the ball running
Speaker 2: by people. The second thing that I can't get over
Speaker 2: and this is me. This is a personal issue. Don't
Speaker 2: scout the helmet. I know that. The Arizona thing, I
Speaker 2: can't do it. Like I can't watch Somebody tell Teddy Brusk,
Speaker 2: I I can't watch Ted McMillan run through New Mexico's
Speaker 2: defense and get all gassed up about it. I just
Speaker 2: can't or like watching him run through soft zones in
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, because that's what every freaking
Speaker 2: team plays out there in this in this god.
Speaker 4: Forsaken every team plays in and by the way you would.
Speaker 2: I can't go out there, nice. I can't go out
Speaker 2: there and watch and be like all jazzed up that
Speaker 2: he took a dig route that with like no one
Speaker 2: around him, and I turned up field and ran for.
Speaker 4: Ford does after the catch is impressive.
Speaker 2: It's impressive, but like he's gonna be in phone boosts
Speaker 2: in the NFL, there's gonna be people around him that's every.
Speaker 4: Receiver, Like, you can only gauge him against the competition
Speaker 4: he's facing.
Speaker 8: Else.
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to get at is that
Speaker 2: I don't see enough film that translates to the lead right, like,
Speaker 2: And that's the part that worries me about Ted McMillan.
Speaker 2: He's extremely talented. The traits are all there. He's six ' five,
Speaker 2: he's two fifteen, he moves like a smaller guy. Like.
Speaker 2: I see all of it from an eye test standpoint.
Speaker 2: What I don't see are like the translatable clips that
Speaker 2: I can cut out and I can say, here's him
Speaker 2: winning at the college level, and here's how that's going
Speaker 2: to translate to the pro level. And a lot of
Speaker 2: that has to do with the schedule that Arizona plays
Speaker 2: and like the types of defense that they play at
Speaker 2: that level. It's all like we're gonna play quarters and
Speaker 2: we're gonna play soft zone like that type of stuff
Speaker 2: just doesn't It's hard to translate that to the league. Now,
Speaker 2: his traits might translate, right, but I'm just worried about again,
Speaker 2: the bigger picture, are you still slow on the offensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball.
Speaker 4: And I said this to you last week. I don't
Speaker 4: think he's as slow as you think he is, Okay,
Speaker 4: I think because he's so big and he's all legs right,
Speaker 4: he looks he moves so naturally he moves. Ever you
Speaker 4: think he's a glider, I think he's a glider. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be very interested to see what he runs. We
Speaker 4: did the whole rumored high school forty yard dash thing
Speaker 4: like we did last year. The rumor is four or
Speaker 4: five flat.
Speaker 2: If he runs a four, If he runs any four
Speaker 2: or five, I'm gonna say I confirm my priors. If
Speaker 2: he runs in the four to four is I will
Speaker 2: watch again.
Speaker 4: Change I can't. I'm trying to find the origin of
Speaker 4: this because I had multiple people send it to me,
Speaker 4: and I cannot find the origin. But enough people sent
Speaker 4: it to me that I'll pull the Felburn maz Here
Speaker 4: in brown check Market, you always say, well, you know,
Speaker 4: the forty time is great, but where what's the data? Say?
Speaker 4: What does the tracker say? Supposedly on one of his
Speaker 4: poll aways from I know it's New Mexico, but God,
Speaker 4: don't go New Mexico doesn't impact how fast he's running. Okay,
Speaker 4: he got up to twenty two miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like because he had a runway to
Speaker 2: get up to twenty two miles an hour. Right. The
Speaker 2: best part about Tag McMillan to me is that he's
Speaker 2: super smooth at six foot five. Yeah, right, he transitions
Speaker 2: really smoothly at the top of the route. He's bendy,
Speaker 2: he's he's got great body control. He's got a great
Speaker 2: ability to snap off routes. He has that ability to
Speaker 2: like come out of the gate, get the corner in
Speaker 2: the pedal, and then snap right out of it, right,
Speaker 2: And he can flexibly bend and cut in all that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that at six foot five is not easy to do. Like,
Speaker 2: that's a rare trait. But look, it's just John's half
Speaker 2: right in this email. By the second half, I would
Speaker 2: have liked Mike Evans, all right, but this is the
Speaker 2: first half. It's not my cup of tea. It's he's
Speaker 2: not my type of guy. And we get to recency bias.
Speaker 2: You'll understand what I mean.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I just I'm interested to see what he
Speaker 4: runs at the fort. Let me ask you this just
Speaker 4: so you can clarify for yourself. Yeah, would you call
Speaker 4: him slow or would you call him not fast? Because
Speaker 4: there is not fast?
Speaker 2: Okay, and I want I want personally in this again.
Speaker 4: You want speed, and that's fine. I just it's a
Speaker 4: personal thing to clarify. If you want to say he's
Speaker 4: not fast, I would agree. He's not a burner. He's
Speaker 4: not Isaiah Bond, he's not Savior where He's not one
Speaker 4: of these guys. He's not slow either. He's not Quentin Johnson.
Speaker 4: He's not you know people Harry.
Speaker 2: And Johnson I think was actually fast.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of who these big like, yeah,
Speaker 4: thank you perfect. He's not Keon Coleman. He's not one
Speaker 4: of these big receivers that just lugs around the field.
Speaker 4: And it's just well, I'm bigger and stronger than you,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna dominate you without like because I feel
Speaker 4: like when you say, oh, you know, big receiver who's
Speaker 4: not fast, people think that he's not slow.
Speaker 2: No, and and he's a lot. The thing that gives
Speaker 2: me hope about Ted McMillan, uh, if the Patriots were
Speaker 2: to draft him, is that what I saw with Uh
Speaker 2: that I learned from Nikhil Harry and what I saw
Speaker 2: with Quinton Johnston and what I saw a little bit
Speaker 2: with Kean Coleman as well is stiffness, right, like they
Speaker 2: they are roboty. He's not. He is not, And so
Speaker 2: that does give me hope. Those guys are had two
Speaker 2: left feet right, like they just were a stiff robot.
Speaker 2: They didn't break down well, they didn't have flexibility in
Speaker 2: their hips, like you could just see it, like they
Speaker 2: just moved like robots. That's not Ted McMillan, Tech McMillan's
Speaker 2: an athlete. Tech macmillans is really smooth. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get to some of these calls and then we'll wrap
Speaker 2: up with recency buys. AJ is in Brighton. What's up, AJ?
Speaker 8: Nope, Hey, you feel had a good week, you know,
Speaker 8: so I wanted to ask.
Speaker 4: I was watching.
Speaker 8: Thursday Night football with my mom last week and was
Speaker 8: explaining the concept of hashmarks to her and like why
Speaker 8: Jared Goff went to the other side to take me
Speaker 8: for the kick, And then just just watching college football
Speaker 8: and you know, looking at the end of the Georgia
Speaker 8: Texas game, that was a crazy difficult kick the guy
Speaker 8: hit because of like how like the angle he had
Speaker 8: to take. So I was just curious to ask, like,
Speaker 8: in terms of like kicker evaluations, how does that come
Speaker 8: into play, and just going towards next year, what are
Speaker 8: the kind of kickers that we should be looking at
Speaker 8: to bring to the team, just because clearly Joey Slide
Speaker 8: is not locked in like he's been good, but we're
Speaker 8: definitely gonna take to look at that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, cool, good college college hash marks and
Speaker 2: kicker evaluation, that's your call. Let's go, that's your call.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 2: That adrenaline rush I got from that all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you don't feel sick anymore.
Speaker 4: No, I really know. I legitally just got an adrenaline
Speaker 4: rush because I was waiting for you to just lose
Speaker 4: your mind over that call.
Speaker 2: That's what gives you an adrenaline rush.
Speaker 4: Your reaction to it, and then I jumped the gun.
Speaker 4: Bill's gonna have to really play the hashes now. This
Speaker 4: is another thing we're gonna have to see a manage
Speaker 4: that we've never seen.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think college ashes does it right, do you?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 4: I like it. They're different.
Speaker 2: I think it does it right in college because to
Speaker 2: the caller's point, with kickers, it's obviously a different angle,
Speaker 2: which I think is it's more legitimate, like that's where
Speaker 2: the ball actually was on the field. The other thing
Speaker 2: that I like about the college hashes is like you
Speaker 2: have to make a true far hash throw right, Like
Speaker 2: that's not like the far hash throws in the NFL
Speaker 2: are are not quite the same.
Speaker 4: Anyways, give me the only reason I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I think, with how much speed there is in the
Speaker 4: modern NFL, defenses wouldn't have a chance with Detroit in
Speaker 4: the field. It would be I mean, games would be
Speaker 4: in the fifties. Yeah, every ear.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: Howard works for scouting college kickers from people I've talked
Speaker 4: when every team does it differently, but just people I've
Speaker 4: talked in the past, the big thing you look at
Speaker 4: scouting kickers and punters is kind of like scouting pitchers,
Speaker 4: where what teams really want to see your motion? Right,
Speaker 4: how consistent is it? Because when kickers start to miss,
Speaker 4: it's inconsistencies in the motion. So you're going to have
Speaker 4: the same follow through, it's going to change a little
Speaker 4: bit when you get way out to that far hash.
Speaker 4: But like they just want to see how well you
Speaker 4: can repeat your motion, how muscle memory it is, you're
Speaker 4: not really scouting, you know, make percentages. It is a
Speaker 4: tougher kick when you get out there, especially when you're
Speaker 4: up close, But I don't think that impacts the scouting
Speaker 4: at times. As for what kind of kicker the Patriots
Speaker 4: should look for, I like the Belichick philosophy of get
Speaker 4: a guy who has experienced kicking in the elements. I
Speaker 4: don't want like a lifetime Southern kicker, Dome kicker in
Speaker 4: New England. Dominic Zavada is Michigan's kicker, was the viewed
Speaker 4: as the top kicker in the draft. He's going back
Speaker 4: to school, so maybe that's the surprise. The guy I
Speaker 4: look at is Jonah Dalmas from Boise State. I did
Speaker 4: a players to watch on a championship weekend. I did
Speaker 4: not have genty for Boise State. For the Patriots, I
Speaker 4: had Jonahdalmas. So there you go. That's growth. Good for you,
Speaker 4: massive massive leg. He's obviously kicking up there in Boise
Speaker 4: they go up to Wyoming, they kick there. He's been
Speaker 4: one of the more accurate kickers. He's not exactly like
Speaker 4: a sniper, but he's been good. I like him. I
Speaker 4: don't know that he's the best overall kicker in this draft.
Speaker 4: I know we had a rough game. I like Brett
Speaker 4: Auburn from Texas. I think he's a good kicker. I
Speaker 4: got to get familiar with some of these other guys.
Speaker 4: But Jonah Dalmas to me the really big leg. I'd
Speaker 4: call it professional accuracy. Where again, he's not an elite,
Speaker 4: but it's it's within the range you want in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And he's consistent, he's experienced. Four your starter are all
Speaker 4: at Bois or sorry, five year starter all at Bois.
Speaker 4: So that's my guy.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's on kickers. Can I respond to the
Speaker 2: chat real quick? I don't normally do this, but there's
Speaker 2: some blasphemy going on in this chat.
Speaker 4: Right You shouldn't look at the chat. This is why
Speaker 4: I look at the chat.
Speaker 2: There's some blasphemy being talked about in the chat right now.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I try. I've tried to be less less full of
Speaker 2: myself on the air a little bit, Alex, all right,
Speaker 2: I've been trying. I've been trying not to be as
Speaker 2: braggy about certain things. Sitting here, saying that I'm bad
Speaker 2: with wide receivers is blasphemy, all right, All of my
Speaker 2: rankings for the last like four or five years are
Speaker 2: all public, by the way, so you can go ahead
Speaker 2: and look at all these things. If there's one position
Speaker 2: in the draft that I'm pretty good at, and if
Speaker 2: I can toot my own horn for a second, wide receivers,
Speaker 2: is it all right? Like that's like the one position
Speaker 2: that I've done, I will put my track it's Taekwon.
Speaker 4: Man. You kept going back to Taekwon once he was here.
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's different.
Speaker 4: No, but that's why people think you're bad.
Speaker 2: But I'm contractually obligated to hype up Taekwon Thornton as
Speaker 2: a patriot, Okay, like that. Unfortunately that comes with the
Speaker 2: territory of working in this building. Okay, you have to
Speaker 2: be a little bit open minded to some guys, uh
Speaker 2: that you don't necessarily see it with. Okay, but this
Speaker 2: type of stuff, I'll put my tracker up with wide
Speaker 2: receivers up against anyone. I think you can vouch for
Speaker 2: me on this.
Speaker 4: No, you're you're you're pretty good with receiving. Were you
Speaker 4: in on Garrett Wilson people saying you were out on here?
Speaker 2: Of course I was in on Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's the exact kind of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I did. I might have had a lave
Speaker 2: ahead of you.
Speaker 4: Saw Lobby is a true freshman where you text me
Speaker 4: you said, yeah, where's this guy supposed to go? I said,
Speaker 4: in two years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can look it up. I still I have
Speaker 2: all of my spreadsheets. Uh, well, you should do at
Speaker 2: some point. Is that's retroactively. But that's twenty one draft, right?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah that was the Matchell's draft. You should
Speaker 4: you should like start doing a collective wide receiver board.
Speaker 2: So like, oh no, it's twenty two draft.
Speaker 4: Put the guy No. Twenty two is in Jigba.
Speaker 2: No, that's twenty three.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm thinking twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Two is like Jamar Chase and those guys.
Speaker 4: You should you should do like a collective wide receiver board.
Speaker 4: You can't do it now because it's it's retroactive. So
Speaker 4: people are gonna be, oh, well, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: but rank all the receivers from the last five years,
Speaker 4: include this year's class, and like do it all as
Speaker 4: one big board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had, you know, more way I do migratings,
Speaker 2: you know, like a seven or above is like an
Speaker 2: instant star in the league. I had Garrett Wilson with
Speaker 2: a seven. I had as an instant star in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I had Chris O Lave. Uh so I split it
Speaker 2: up at the time. I split it up between Z
Speaker 2: slot X, so I don't have these all, you know,
Speaker 2: perfectly aligned here. Yeah, but I added Jamison Williams, who
Speaker 2: I feel like I still am right about even though
Speaker 2: it hasn't been great.
Speaker 4: I was a big Jameson Williams gus, so I'll give
Speaker 4: you that one. Yeah, it hasn't been great, like he's
Speaker 4: been great when he's on the field. That's more like
Speaker 4: he just the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamison Williams a lave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson, Drake London.
Speaker 2: That was my time?
Speaker 4: Was there another first round?
Speaker 2: Traylon Burks was the other one, neither of us like
Speaker 2: no I had. I had Christian Watson, Traylon Burks, George Pickens,
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce.
Speaker 4: Here was that I had one guy like oddly high
Speaker 4: that year and I can't remember who. I always have
Speaker 4: that one guy that It's like, it wasn't Bryce Ford Wheaton.
Speaker 4: He might have been in that class, but it wasn't him. Oh,
Speaker 4: I'll give you one you were wrong on just because
Speaker 4: I saw it on the list. I hate to do
Speaker 4: this to you, sky Moore. Yeah, all right, well let's
Speaker 4: do this. Let's make this educational. Why did you miss
Speaker 4: what you learned?
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I haven't watched like a ton
Speaker 2: of him in Kansas City played an right, so I
Speaker 2: I I don't know for a fact that this could
Speaker 2: be a fun offseason show. The biggest thing at the
Speaker 2: prospect we were high on what you miss. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I missed was sky Moore was
Speaker 2: a lot of his stuff was in the slot against
Speaker 2: like linebackers and safeties and stuff like that. Then you
Speaker 2: get to the league and everybody's playing nickel and you're
Speaker 2: going up against nickel corners that can cover people.
Speaker 4: When he was at Western Michigan, he was in the max.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then the word the probably the other
Speaker 2: thing you know that I've evolved and learned the most
Speaker 2: about receivers is at the NFL level, how important finishing
Speaker 2: and playing through contact is. I think that's probably been
Speaker 2: sky Moore's biggest problem. Yeah, is you just can't get
Speaker 2: off physical coverage if you can't do that, and That's why,
Speaker 2: like I always get a little bit like about receivers
Speaker 2: that play that just run through zones in college all
Speaker 2: the time, because in the league, you're gonna get bumped,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get battered, you're gonna get pressed, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get all of this stuff, and if you can't finish
Speaker 2: through all of that, then you're gonna I.
Speaker 4: Think this is a good offseason topic. I'll do it too.
Speaker 4: Would you miss what you learned? The two guys I
Speaker 4: had John Metchi's a first round pick that year. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which obviously we'll see. The other guy was super high
Speaker 4: on Wondale Robinson. I was super there were the Kentucky
Speaker 4: guys that here is Wandale Robinson and Darien Knord.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted all the Kentucky guys that.
Speaker 2: Y're all right, let's take DC is in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: What's up DC?
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, quick pop quiz for you, because I think
Speaker 9: there is a right answer here. Okay, so outside of Mike,
Speaker 9: who do you who do you think is the best
Speaker 9: O lineman the Pats have drafted in the last five years?
Speaker 2: Right off the top of your head, Oh man, the
Speaker 2: best O Lignement in the last five years.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, let's go back, so it's near the guy.
Speaker 4: Neither guys this year they ever really played.
Speaker 2: I mean twenty three was five years probably Isaiah Win.
Speaker 4: That's more five years ago. That was twenty eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 4: Is it Isaiah Win?
Speaker 2: That's six years.
Speaker 5: I think the answer is play hold.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, oh that was your big yell to pro guy. Fair.
Speaker 6: Fair.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Justin Barran.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, y'all de for a hold. It's a good shout.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 5: We got we got.
Speaker 9: The the All Day Revenge game coming up.
Speaker 2: Remember he's been really good, he's center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to have him.
Speaker 9: But a quick question that, since you were talking about
Speaker 9: the big board of receivers, I'm curious maybe in the
Speaker 9: last couple of years, where you'd have Travis Hunter the
Speaker 9: receiver on there, because I'm getting more and more convinced
Speaker 9: and uh uh persuaded to going all in on Travis
Speaker 9: Hunter if he's there. And I might be in the
Speaker 9: minority of this, but I think the past draft them.
Speaker 9: We are drafting Travis Hunter the receiver. That is who
Speaker 9: I would want, and I'm just curious where you have
Speaker 9: him on that big board of receivers. Thanks guys, love
Speaker 9: the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 4: You might be in the minority. But like I'm with you,
Speaker 4: I think if they draft Travis Hunter, they do it
Speaker 4: primarily as a receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and I would have him as the
Speaker 2: best receiver in the draft in this dull.
Speaker 4: But what he was saying is like, all right, so
Speaker 4: Harrison Neighbors of Doonesday, where you saw him? Oh but
Speaker 4: hie and all three of those behind all three of them,
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas. I'd probably put him ahead of Brian Thomas.
Speaker 4: I probably would put him Xavier Worthy. I forget where
Speaker 4: you had thomasin Worthy.
Speaker 2: I would probably I had Thomas ahead of Worthy. I
Speaker 2: think I would probably put Travis Hunter in the same
Speaker 2: tier as Romadonsay, but behind Roemadonsay. So like I would
Speaker 2: have Ted McMillan, to me, would be in that next tier.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he's belonged after Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think that Travis Hunter would be with the Donsay. But
Speaker 2: I really thought Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors are rare,
Speaker 2: rare problems.
Speaker 4: So JSN, Quentin Johnson, Jay Flowers, Jordan Addison, he might
Speaker 4: be the best receiver in that draft that draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, besides maybe JSN, js N was a really good prospect.
Speaker 4: Jamison Williams, Garret Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the in the epar echelon of that
Speaker 2: one too.
Speaker 4: I'd probably go Williams, Lave Wilson. I put him head
Speaker 4: of Drake London.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't a big Drake London guy. Shock.
Speaker 2: All right, right, let's wrap it up with recency bias. So, uh,
Speaker 2: my recency bias pick is not going to shock you
Speaker 2: in the least bit.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be bummed. I was like, who didn't we
Speaker 4: talk about yet?
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him?
Speaker 4: I know so well, we have this weekend we have,
Speaker 4: but is so stupid.
Speaker 2: No, okay, we've talked about him, but we haven't talked
Speaker 2: about him lately. Because you told me about this player
Speaker 2: last year that I was gonna love this player this
Speaker 2: year was and you could not have been more correct.
Speaker 2: My friends, Oh is it Tory Horton, No, geez, Luther Burden.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Luther Burden. This dude is my type of dude.
Speaker 2: This is your counter point.
Speaker 4: You don't like receivers, Luthor Bird, I do this every year,
Speaker 4: Zavier were the same thing. I know the receivers you want,
Speaker 4: so Luther Bird and everybody's knocked on Luther Bird and
Speaker 4: is that he's had some like you know, little diva
Speaker 4: wide receiver tirades like I don't care, Okay, I don't care.
Speaker 4: Luther Burden explosive, explosive, explosive, right like, this guy is
Speaker 4: explosive at every level of the defense, explosive. With the
Speaker 4: ball in his hands, he can win routes down the
Speaker 4: field with explosiveness and separation ability down the field.
Speaker 2: I love the Swiss army knife element right like. You
Speaker 2: can do all sorts of different gadgety type things with
Speaker 2: him as well. But man, oh man, is that guy
Speaker 2: just shot out of a cannon like double moves verticals
Speaker 2: from the slot, just ball cat you know, yards after catch,
Speaker 2: you know, catch and run type routes, that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: my comp Right now, I'm gonna be a little bit
Speaker 2: like you and go a little outside the box. I
Speaker 2: see a lot of the same sort of elements of
Speaker 2: usage and body type as Deebo Samuel. Yeah, I see
Speaker 2: the route running of his Za flowers like I think
Speaker 2: that it's like if those two guys had like just
Speaker 2: for evan football wide receiver, baby, it would be Luthor Burden, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm really high on Luther Burden. I I love
Speaker 2: the film. You knew it was coming.
Speaker 4: You put him ahead of te McMillan.
Speaker 2: Uh, I can't cantus about him like this because McMillan.
Speaker 2: I can't allow my skill set bias to set in
Speaker 2: too much, right like I can't he is. I would
Speaker 2: draft him if I was building an offense, because that's
Speaker 2: the type of offense I would want to build, right
Speaker 2: like I would want to build the Miami Dolphins, right,
Speaker 2: like I would put all the speed on the world
Speaker 2: on the field. I don't think that he's I think
Speaker 2: he's a little different than Jalen Waddle, but I could
Speaker 2: see the some overlap and usage and style and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff as Jalen Wattle as well. Just look
Speaker 2: this is this is a big play, Like, you give
Speaker 2: this guy the ball, He's gonna make a big play,
Speaker 2: really exciting player. I thought he was off.
Speaker 4: When you do your ranks, who's going to be number one?
Speaker 2: I'd probably I probably am gonna not let my my
Speaker 2: biases get in the way, and I'd probably put tet
Speaker 2: McMillan in.
Speaker 4: Everything you said about McMillan before, or why.
Speaker 2: I think because I keep on coming back to the
Speaker 2: fact with McMillan that he's a loose athlete, Like he's
Speaker 2: not this stiff Nikhil Harry robotic athlete. So I see,
Speaker 2: I see it. I do see it with him. It's
Speaker 2: just not my cup of tea, and I can't I
Speaker 2: don't want to let that get in the way. If
Speaker 2: I was building the offense, and we were building it
Speaker 2: through my vision and I knew the types of schemes
Speaker 2: and the type of offense I wanted to be, Like
Speaker 2: what really excites me about Luther Burden a lot is
Speaker 2: that they want to be like an outside zone, bootleg
Speaker 2: move the pocket type of offense. Like you send this
Speaker 2: guy on like a crosser off a bootleg and he's
Speaker 2: just in a foot race coming across fields all the time,
Speaker 2: and you give him some runways to run with the
Speaker 2: football after the catch. He's gonna take chunks out of
Speaker 2: the defense regularly. And that excites me about that player.
Speaker 4: So pick it three, Ted McMillan, or trade down and
Speaker 4: get Luther Burton.
Speaker 2: If they traded down and they took Luther Burden ten eleven,
Speaker 2: twelve like some So.
Speaker 4: This is where we excuse me. We talked about this
Speaker 4: earlier with like T Higgins. Yeah, you're not gonna pair
Speaker 4: te Higgins with Ted McMillan because there's overlap. You pair
Speaker 4: Luther Burden with T Higgins. Now you have a more
Speaker 4: complete offense. So there is a path to Luthor burdon Twitchy. No,
Speaker 4: he's which, he's he's an electric player. He's he's an
Speaker 4: electric player. And I just talked about how much I
Speaker 4: loved Wandale Robinson because he was that kind of guy.
Speaker 4: But Wanda Robinson's tiny. Yeah, this is this guy is
Speaker 4: has been and honestly to the Travis Hunter thing too.
Speaker 4: All right, how do you have against Travis Hunter? Is
Speaker 4: a receiver?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't know. That's tough. I I would
Speaker 2: say that I probably would still have Hunter a little
Speaker 2: bit ahead. But I'm excited about Luther Burden.
Speaker 4: No, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Want to try to like, I know I'm saying that
Speaker 2: he's probably my third receiver, but I just again, I
Speaker 2: think what comes down to that with Luther Burden is
Speaker 2: a lot of it is going to be scheme related, right,
Speaker 2: Like what kind of offense do you want to be?
Speaker 2: How are you you scheming him open? How are you
Speaker 2: scheming him opportunities to get the football? I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: like Teed McMillan touch guy. Yeah, Ted McMillan for all
Speaker 2: of his for all my issues with him, Like he's
Speaker 2: an X receiver. You put him on the X spot
Speaker 2: and you don't translates, Right, Luther Burden's gonna have to
Speaker 2: get some help.
Speaker 4: And we know that. And now there's a different coaching staff.
Speaker 4: We know they've had trouble with scheme touch guys. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I really like Burton and and part of what I
Speaker 4: like is I think you're gonna be setting him over
Speaker 4: the middle. He's gonna be taking hits. This is a
Speaker 4: guy that can take hits. This is a guy that
Speaker 4: is not afraid to play physically, and I think there's
Speaker 4: tremendous value in that at that position. I think McMillan
Speaker 4: the size, athleticism combination is rare. But Burden is the
Speaker 4: kind of player that they've kind of been looking for
Speaker 4: for a while. Right, If you went McMillan or not McMillan,
Speaker 4: if you went Higgins, Burton, Pop Douglas, that's freaking explosive.
Speaker 2: It's a room.
Speaker 4: You got, you got. You went from one of the
Speaker 4: least explosive wide receiver rooms one of the most explosive. Overnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not overnight.
Speaker 4: It is gonna take two months.
Speaker 2: Great, great, like yin and yang with with T Higgins
Speaker 2: potential there and then I also still think, you know,
Speaker 2: I heard a little bit of like, well, isn't that
Speaker 2: just Pop Douglas, Like, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Like he's six foot two hundred, he's much more competitive
Speaker 4: at the catch point. He's no, he's he's probably he's
Speaker 4: closer to Kendrick Borne than he is to Pop Douglas.
Speaker 2: I think he's a base receiver, whereas I think Pop
Speaker 2: is a true slot in eleven. Yeah, right, like and
Speaker 2: so I think you can play both of them together
Speaker 2: by having one of them be the off the line,
Speaker 2: you know, the Z, and then one of them is
Speaker 2: the true slot.
Speaker 4: Who the comp be for for Burden from last year's draft,
Speaker 4: last year's draft, it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of I don't know if there's there is. I
Speaker 2: think the two years ago, like, I I think he's
Speaker 2: like I said, I a lot of the ways that
Speaker 2: he moves and runs routes is a lot like Za
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bigger fly.
Speaker 2: Like when he ran I forget who was against, but
Speaker 2: he ran an out and up for like a forty
Speaker 2: yard touchdown and I did a flat, I did a
Speaker 2: double tap. I was like, Oh, I think that's Day
Speaker 2: Flowers right like, but he's bigger and thicker, kind of
Speaker 2: built like Deebo Samuel, so that I really am am.
Speaker 2: I'm bullish on the guy. I think he's gonna if
Speaker 2: he goes to the right offensive coordinator, he goes to
Speaker 2: the right offense, he's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Chiefs are gonna trade up and take him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that he'd be a problem.
Speaker 4: A big thing with Luthor Burden was well Rischie Rice
Speaker 4: a little bit, yeah, Well, and the big thing with
Speaker 4: Luthor Burden was that he's from Saint Louis. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he stayed. He's a five star number two. He was
Speaker 4: ranked ahead of McMillan. McMillan was number four in that class.
Speaker 4: He was number two. Yeah, and he stayed at Missouri.
Speaker 4: And there's this whole thing about how he made it
Speaker 4: cool to stay in state because Missouri was losing all
Speaker 4: its top players. So there is like a through line
Speaker 4: there of the Chiefs see that and see what he
Speaker 4: means to you know, you're drafting football players, but they
Speaker 4: need a receiver and to get a guy like that,
Speaker 4: I think does a lot for your organizational culture. So
Speaker 4: I I see the Chiefs trading up for him. If
Speaker 4: don't take him first, we got a who's yours? So
Speaker 4: remember last week we talked about the Patriots needing a
Speaker 4: more modern off ball linebacker pair with Bentley be the
Speaker 4: next guy, good size, but can still flow a sideline
Speaker 4: aside line. Uh So, I'm doing some research on the
Speaker 4: conference championship games over the weekend and I stumble onto
Speaker 4: Barrett Carter from Clemson, number zero. If you watch any
Speaker 4: of him, he's not massive. I know, we talked about
Speaker 4: a bigger linebacker. He's big. He's he's six one, two thirty,
Speaker 4: so he's dense. He's yeah. And you know my thing
Speaker 4: where like he can put size on after the point.
Speaker 4: Name something you might ask a defensive player to do.
Speaker 4: Name just about any assignment. Yeah, Barrett Carter did it
Speaker 4: at Clemson, and he did it at a pretty high level.
Speaker 4: They used him to stop the run, they used him
Speaker 4: in coverage, they used him to rush the passer. He
Speaker 4: had seventeen pressures in seventy six pass rush snaps this year. Nice,
Speaker 4: that's insane.
Speaker 2: Who was the guy that? Who was it last year
Speaker 2: on Clemson? Linebacker because they play that there's a guy
Speaker 2: yeah two years ago? Uh do you keep that's that role?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's the next guy in that like the
Speaker 4: jack of all trades linebacker role does everything does at
Speaker 4: a high level. Really smart player. Uh has a knack
Speaker 4: for being in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 4: I just think he's a guy that's like just very
Speaker 4: You can plug him into an NFL defense and I
Speaker 4: think he'd be ready to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know, Fred Werner's the apex. I don't know
Speaker 4: that he's Fred Werner, but if you're chasing that sort
Speaker 4: of player, Carter's in that mold. To me, he's somebody.
Speaker 4: He's projected to be a Day two pick if things
Speaker 4: go the right way and free agency. Like, definitely a
Speaker 4: guy look for. I don't know how much he's gonna
Speaker 4: pass rush in the NFL. He's probably more of a
Speaker 4: coverage guy, but they need that. Yeah, I like, I
Speaker 4: just looked this up pro comp Evan tell me I
Speaker 4: feel about this Kwan Alexander.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, the guy I was thinking of was Trenton
Speaker 2: Simpson who got got drafted. I don't think his third round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's bigger, I don't think he's quite as athletic,
Speaker 4: but yeah, similar Robert Splaine would be another guy I
Speaker 4: throw as a camp Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like Kwan Alexander in his peak obviously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I assume that means peak. But yeah, he's
Speaker 4: got to bulk up a little bit. But he would
Speaker 4: give them that. You put him next to Bentley your set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty not like a number one need, but like
Speaker 2: a sneaky need linebacker.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't know that they can. You're probably
Speaker 4: gonna have to take him in the second round, early
Speaker 4: third round. So they gotta get some business done in
Speaker 4: free agency to be able to do that. But if
Speaker 4: they do, it just fails. We'll watch him in the
Speaker 4: playoff against Texas.
Speaker 2: It feels like, unfortunately this staff is not very high
Speaker 2: on Marte Mapu.
Speaker 4: My guy, and so definitely not as a linebacker.
Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like they're not as high on him
Speaker 2: really really quickly, and then we're gonna go, Uh, Patriot's
Speaker 2: injury report just came out, so Javon Baker obviously it
Speaker 2: was the d MP without a with a CONCUSSI, Jalen
Speaker 2: Hawkins has an illness of whatever is going around. Jalen
Speaker 2: Hawkins in the club, and Jacquela and Roy misspractice with
Speaker 2: that foot injury that he's been fighting through. Marcus Jones
Speaker 2: back in a limited capacity. I think that changed. So
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones back in ulimited capacity. So that's your injury
Speaker 2: report updates. So Alex and I will be back next week.
Speaker 2: More traditional show next week. Well, I came into this
Speaker 2: show Marine thinking that we weren' gonna have anything to
Speaker 2: talk about, and then we went over two hours somehow
Speaker 2: on the show. Shocking, surprise, surprise. But we'll be back
Speaker 2: next week to recap the Cardinals game, look ahead to
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