WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 12/12: Cardinals Preview, Draft Talk, Final Four 0:00:30.618 --> 0:00:34.657 Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you 0:00:34.698 --> 0:00:38.818 inside you Llette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots, 0:00:38.857 --> 0:00:42.658 and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's 0:00:42.658 --> 0:00:46.098 Paul Parillo, Mike Deso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex 0:00:46.138 --> 0:00:48.898 Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team. 0:00:48.977 --> 0:00:51.098 He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's 0:00:51.138 --> 0:00:53.978 really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're 0:00:53.978 --> 0:00:55.978 really not talking about them, really knowing. 0:00:57.778 --> 0:01:06.178 Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This 0:01:06.298 --> 0:01:09.577 is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar 0:01:09.698 --> 0:01:10.898 and Alex Barth. 0:01:12.497 --> 0:01:12.978 And Lazarre. 0:01:13.057 --> 0:01:18.258 Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark. 0:01:20.057 --> 0:01:22.577 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. 0:01:22.458 --> 0:01:23.377 All right, number one down. 0:01:23.618 --> 0:01:26.378 We already did this, just yes, just as a whole 0:01:26.658 --> 0:01:28.298 we were We did twenty minutes on that. 0:01:28.378 --> 0:01:31.178 Yeah, yeah, yep, I let you do minutes on that. 0:01:31.858 --> 0:01:32.538 It was important. 0:01:32.538 --> 0:01:34.058 What are you talking about? 0:01:33.937 --> 0:01:37.458 Let the story of the game. That was the story 0:01:37.498 --> 0:01:38.538 of the game, Evan. 0:01:38.898 --> 0:01:42.498 I know, That's why I had to talk about it, 0:01:41.018 --> 0:01:48.698 you know, to do his job. It's painful. It's pa. 0:01:49.418 --> 0:01:51.698 There's a couple of things that that we have to 0:01:51.738 --> 0:01:53.858 talk about on this show that are painful to me. 0:01:54.858 --> 0:01:58.578 One of them is is game management, time management, like 0:01:58.698 --> 0:02:01.858 did he timeouts at the right time? Did they manage 0:02:01.898 --> 0:02:05.818 the clock correctly? Did they challenge this play or not 0:02:06.058 --> 0:02:11.578 challenge that play like that? That stuff is insufferable. It's insufferable. 0:02:11.738 --> 0:02:15.178 The other thing that is insufferable is our conversation off 0:02:15.218 --> 0:02:18.738 the air about one Bill Belichick and just me having 0:02:18.817 --> 0:02:20.858 to talk about this is I I did not want to. 0:02:21.018 --> 0:02:21.738 I did not want to. 0:02:21.858 --> 0:02:23.578 I I didn't didn't think you're gonna have to said 0:02:23.578 --> 0:02:24.818 it was a non story. 0:02:24.858 --> 0:02:27.138 I didn't say that. That's not what I said. That's 0:02:27.178 --> 0:02:28.858 not what I said. We'll get to Bill here in 0:02:28.898 --> 0:02:31.258 a second. It's obviously the story that day. I think 0:02:31.298 --> 0:02:34.778 his introductory press conference is going on as we speak, 0:02:34.778 --> 0:02:37.258 are about to start any minute now. So it was 0:02:37.298 --> 0:02:39.938 a two o'clock press conference, but we know from Bill 0:02:39.978 --> 0:02:42.658 Belichick press conference. Yeah, maybe he's a couple of minutes. 0:02:43.618 --> 0:02:46.578 So we'll talk about that, and I have some draft takes. 0:02:47.097 --> 0:02:52.818 The championship weekend in college football was last weekend during 0:02:52.818 --> 0:02:55.898 the bye so I did watch quite a bit of 0:02:55.938 --> 0:02:58.657 those games, and I have some opinions. I know, Uh 0:02:59.138 --> 0:03:04.257 it was it. Connor Connolly, the connorly, the Oregon tackle 0:03:04.498 --> 0:03:06.898 is as I know him, you know, caught some eyes. 0:03:07.738 --> 0:03:11.538 Abdul Carter had another impressive game as well. Uh. So 0:03:11.738 --> 0:03:15.097 we'll talk some draft here today and some offseason as well, 0:03:15.178 --> 0:03:19.138 and maybe preview a little Cardinals. So that that's the show. 0:03:19.218 --> 0:03:20.898 It's a little weird show because we don't have a 0:03:20.898 --> 0:03:24.657 game of what from the Bible. I guess we probably 0:03:24.657 --> 0:03:26.458 should have done like you could have done season. 0:03:26.538 --> 0:03:28.498 I guess we could just do like buy week ups 0:03:28.538 --> 0:03:31.978 and downs, so the bill stuff, the college football playoffs, 0:03:31.978 --> 0:03:33.778 just whatever, three things that were up and three things 0:03:33.778 --> 0:03:36.338 that were down in the football world during the last week. 0:03:36.978 --> 0:03:38.378 Okay, would you like to do that? 0:03:38.498 --> 0:03:40.138 No, we can. I don't have it ready. 0:03:41.098 --> 0:03:43.898 No, I don't have it ready either. So we have 0:03:43.938 --> 0:03:46.218 a little bit of everything on the board today, as 0:03:46.538 --> 0:03:49.978 you can see. Because no, obviously no Patriots game last weekend, 0:03:50.058 --> 0:03:52.858 so we can't do our normal autopsy of the game 0:03:52.898 --> 0:03:54.938 three up, three down, all that kind of stuff. 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I think the biggest question that I 0:05:04.258 --> 0:05:08.098 have off the top as we come off this bye week, 0:05:08.498 --> 0:05:11.897 is what are the Patriots looking to accomplish in the 0:05:12.018 --> 0:05:14.658 last four weeks of the season and what would make 0:05:14.737 --> 0:05:18.458 you feel good about the Patriots? You know, are you 0:05:18.538 --> 0:05:20.738 someone that wants to see them win some games down 0:05:20.737 --> 0:05:23.258 the stretch? Are you someone that wants to see them 0:05:23.857 --> 0:05:25.938 finish with the number one overall? Pick? Right? Like, you know, 0:05:25.977 --> 0:05:28.057 which way do you really want this to go? I 0:05:28.058 --> 0:05:31.577 think the biggest thing though, for me from that standpoint 0:05:32.178 --> 0:05:37.338 with the Patriots is can they put together I'd like 0:05:37.378 --> 0:05:40.457 to see multiple, but I'll settle for one. Can they 0:05:40.498 --> 0:05:44.018 put together a complete offensive game, like from start to finish, 0:05:44.337 --> 0:05:46.538 finish in the red zone, you know, want to put 0:05:46.538 --> 0:05:48.858 a number on it, you know, hit that thirty plus 0:05:48.898 --> 0:05:51.818 point threshold, which they haven't done all year. Can they 0:05:51.857 --> 0:05:54.938 put together a complete offensive game, because I think they've 0:05:54.977 --> 0:05:57.618 been scratching at the surface of this. I feel like 0:05:57.698 --> 0:06:01.178 the Rams game, the Colts game, like those games were 0:06:01.217 --> 0:06:06.617 close to being that is a truly, you know, good 0:06:06.778 --> 0:06:09.858 offensive performance. But with the Colts too, it's hard to 0:06:09.898 --> 0:06:11.618 put that label on it. When you go two for 0:06:11.698 --> 0:06:13.937 six from the red zone and you turn one over 0:06:14.058 --> 0:06:16.218 on the goal line and things like that. But I'm 0:06:16.258 --> 0:06:20.818 looking for that because my feelings on the defense, I'm 0:06:20.898 --> 0:06:24.338 really it's getting to me a little bit right now 0:06:24.378 --> 0:06:26.938 about this Patriots defense. I have a lot of concerns. 0:06:27.337 --> 0:06:29.058 I think that this is the side of the ball 0:06:29.418 --> 0:06:32.497 that was supposed to be propped up. I was supposed 0:06:32.538 --> 0:06:36.618 to be solid still without Bill Belichick. I feel like 0:06:36.737 --> 0:06:39.657 they have really regressed on that side of the ball 0:06:39.658 --> 0:06:42.938 and most multiple facets, and when you start talking about 0:06:43.457 --> 0:06:45.858 where they go at in the offseason with this coaching 0:06:45.898 --> 0:06:48.538 staff and things like that as well, I look at 0:06:48.618 --> 0:06:53.017 multiple guys in that defense that are underachieving right now. 0:06:53.337 --> 0:06:56.537 Kyle Duggar is probably the biggest one, but Kyle Duggar, 0:06:56.857 --> 0:07:01.138 Jilani Tavai, even I would say Jonathan Jones had a 0:07:01.178 --> 0:07:03.497 little bit of a down year. Like these are guys 0:07:03.498 --> 0:07:06.818 that have played really solid, good football for the Patriots 0:07:06.857 --> 0:07:10.258 over the last three, four five years, and they've completely 0:07:11.418 --> 0:07:14.458 gone downhill on that side of the football. So I'm 0:07:14.458 --> 0:07:17.258 not expecting much out of the defense in terms of 0:07:17.338 --> 0:07:19.818 corrections and things like that coming out of the bye. 0:07:20.138 --> 0:07:22.378 But I do think it's obtainable for this offense to 0:07:22.418 --> 0:07:23.618 put together a complete game. 0:07:24.338 --> 0:07:27.138 Yeah, I mean, just as a whole general progress. I'll 0:07:27.178 --> 0:07:30.138 just pick up where I left off or where I've 0:07:30.138 --> 0:07:31.778 been with since the beginning of the year. Are you 0:07:31.857 --> 0:07:33.937 better at the end of the year than you are 0:07:33.977 --> 0:07:36.458 at the beginning? I said this a couple of weeks ago. 0:07:36.538 --> 0:07:39.218 What was the best game, the most complete game they'd played? 0:07:40.458 --> 0:07:42.898 I think there's an argument it's Week two against the Seahawks. 0:07:42.898 --> 0:07:46.898 Now the Colts game may supersede that, but can you 0:07:46.977 --> 0:07:49.458 show some progress from September to December? And I look 0:07:49.498 --> 0:07:52.098 at like what the Carolina Panthers are doing right now. Ye, 0:07:52.138 --> 0:07:54.658 but they're not winning some of these games, but they've 0:07:54.658 --> 0:07:56.098 been a pain in the ass for the Chiefs. They've 0:07:56.098 --> 0:07:58.178 been a pain in the ass for the Eagles. Can 0:07:58.218 --> 0:08:01.417 you do that and show that like you're on the 0:08:01.498 --> 0:08:04.417 doorstep of being one of those that you're you know, 0:08:04.498 --> 0:08:07.178 take that step towards being at least a tough out 0:08:07.218 --> 0:08:08.698 for some of the elite teams in the league. 0:08:09.338 --> 0:08:13.058 Yeah. I think that's a really good point. And I 0:08:13.418 --> 0:08:17.698 just go back to what direction do they go in 0:08:17.698 --> 0:08:20.297 in the offseason. I know we talk a whole lot 0:08:20.338 --> 0:08:23.658 about personnel, and you know, can you see a rookie pop. 0:08:23.778 --> 0:08:27.418 Can you see you know, a Jalen Polk, a Leyden Robinson, 0:08:27.658 --> 0:08:30.658 a Cadaan Wallace, you know, one of these players. There's 0:08:31.258 --> 0:08:33.498 a merge here in the last four games of the season. 0:08:33.938 --> 0:08:36.018 I'll allow for that, but I also kind of push 0:08:36.098 --> 0:08:37.818 back on the notion that it's going to change my 0:08:37.938 --> 0:08:42.898 mind drastically about their needs and their uh, you know, 0:08:43.178 --> 0:08:45.778 rookie class and their holes. As Alex is dying over 0:08:45.818 --> 0:08:48.857 here right now, I thought it was a coffee. No. No, 0:08:48.977 --> 0:08:52.857 I'm just watching you just slowly decay over there. 0:08:52.898 --> 0:08:54.698 And I'm good. I'm good. 0:08:55.378 --> 0:08:58.178 Yeah, he's uh, he's he's been sick. You've been you're 0:08:58.218 --> 0:09:01.377 playing hurt a little bit today? Fine, you've been playing. 0:09:01.418 --> 0:09:03.617 He doesn't like that. I'm pointing it out. I can tell. 0:09:04.098 --> 0:09:04.737 Uh. 0:09:04.778 --> 0:09:07.378 Anyways, I I pushed back on the notion a little 0:09:07.418 --> 0:09:10.737 bit that they uh, because there's something I don't think 0:09:10.778 --> 0:09:13.137 that really necessarily there's something Jalen Polk is going to 0:09:13.257 --> 0:09:16.297 do in the next four weeks barring that he goes 0:09:16.298 --> 0:09:19.058 for like one hundred and four touchdowns and every you know, 0:09:19.377 --> 0:09:21.418 four touchdowns total, but like one hundred every game with 0:09:21.458 --> 0:09:24.138 a touchdown, you know, it looks like he's, uh, he's 0:09:24.218 --> 0:09:26.497 justin Jefferson all of a sudden that I'm going to 0:09:26.578 --> 0:09:29.858 start to sit here and say, they don't you know, 0:09:29.898 --> 0:09:31.898 they have an number one wide receiver, or they have 0:09:31.938 --> 0:09:33.737 a number two wide receiver, or they have a hit 0:09:33.818 --> 0:09:36.137 with Jalen Polk, whatever way you want to put it. 0:09:36.377 --> 0:09:39.658 I just don't don't necessarily think that that's going to 0:09:39.778 --> 0:09:42.977 change my mind that one way or another very heavily. 0:09:43.617 --> 0:09:46.338 So I'm not really thinking about personnel and more thinking 0:09:46.377 --> 0:09:50.098 about coaching and where this staff goes moving forward. And 0:09:50.698 --> 0:09:53.538 I think that a complete offensive performance would sort of 0:09:53.578 --> 0:09:56.178 cement Avp to me as someone that should be probably 0:09:56.218 --> 0:09:59.338 be back next year. And similarly on the defense side 0:09:59.338 --> 0:10:01.698 of the ball, when I watch their defense right now, 0:10:01.698 --> 0:10:04.297 and I thought Mayo pointed to it on Wednesday a 0:10:04.338 --> 0:10:07.258 little bit and kind of said it, how I feel, 0:10:07.778 --> 0:10:12.178 it looks like eleven individual guys that are each trying 0:10:12.218 --> 0:10:14.178 to win on an island, and it doesn't look like 0:10:14.218 --> 0:10:17.378 a team or a cohesive unit right now. And so 0:10:17.737 --> 0:10:20.778 what's happening is is that they shore up one thing, 0:10:20.898 --> 0:10:22.418 but it's like kind of like holes in a boat 0:10:22.497 --> 0:10:25.818 right where an another leak is springing because that you 0:10:25.857 --> 0:10:28.938 know that now that's an issue, and then we fix that, 0:10:29.017 --> 0:10:31.657 and then another thing has become an issue because they're 0:10:31.658 --> 0:10:35.418 not playing eleven at a time, They're not playing as 0:10:35.458 --> 0:10:41.458 a con unit. You know. That to me points a 0:10:41.497 --> 0:10:44.698 lot to coordination and coaching. So I am curious to 0:10:44.698 --> 0:10:47.738 see where this coaching staff goes from here. Just with 0:10:47.818 --> 0:10:51.498 the Cardinals this weekend, I think this is a really 0:10:51.538 --> 0:10:55.338 winnable game for the Patriots. The Cardinals have lost three 0:10:55.338 --> 0:10:58.137 games in a row. They have an eight percent chance 0:10:58.218 --> 0:11:01.258 right now to make the playoffs based off ESPN's number 0:11:01.298 --> 0:11:04.737 and their projections. So the Cardinals, for all intents and purposes, 0:11:04.857 --> 0:11:09.258 are are are dead like they would need a hell 0:11:09.338 --> 0:11:12.737 of a finish here to make the postseason. So they're 0:11:12.778 --> 0:11:15.977 they're reeling a little bit as well, I would say. 0:11:16.617 --> 0:11:18.618 And I look at this matchup and I see a 0:11:18.617 --> 0:11:21.537 Cardinals defense that stiffens up in the red zone. It's 0:11:21.538 --> 0:11:24.258 another bend, don't break type of defense, a lot of 0:11:24.338 --> 0:11:26.818 zone coverage. They're gonna bring some pressure, but it's gonna 0:11:26.818 --> 0:11:29.098 be from different places, and they're gonna play a lot 0:11:29.098 --> 0:11:31.218 of soft zone and they're gonna give up some yards 0:11:31.218 --> 0:11:33.698 in the twenties between the twenties and then try to 0:11:33.698 --> 0:11:36.218 stiffen up in the red zone. The Patriots have been 0:11:36.257 --> 0:11:39.257 able to move the football against two of those types 0:11:39.257 --> 0:11:42.298 of defenses with the Rams and the Colts in recent weeks. 0:11:42.737 --> 0:11:44.698 I obviously have to finish, but they've been able to 0:11:44.698 --> 0:11:48.377 move the ball, and then offensively with the Cardinals, it 0:11:48.538 --> 0:11:53.218 still feels a little bit run centric, which might be 0:11:53.298 --> 0:11:55.578 able to keep this game closer. Right. You don't usually 0:11:55.658 --> 0:11:59.138 see teams run away, no pun intended with a game 0:11:59.178 --> 0:12:02.777 that's heavily featured on the ground, and they are not 0:12:02.857 --> 0:12:06.938 necessarily a team that is overly consistent. They have a 0:12:06.938 --> 0:12:09.018 lot of explosive plays, but they also have a lot 0:12:09.058 --> 0:12:11.138 of negative plays too. It's kind of boom or bust 0:12:11.257 --> 0:12:13.737 right now with them offensively. So what do you think 0:12:13.818 --> 0:12:16.297 about their chances in the desert? Because I actually give 0:12:16.338 --> 0:12:17.978 the Patriots a puncher's chance in this game. 0:12:18.098 --> 0:12:21.658 Real quick, Patriots breaking news, ish, we kind of knew this. 0:12:21.698 --> 0:12:24.018 Teed McMillan has a officially declared for the draft. 0:12:24.058 --> 0:12:25.298 Okay, so we'll get to some of the guys. 0:12:25.298 --> 0:12:27.737 I just wanted to throw Literally just happens, So I 0:12:27.778 --> 0:12:30.938 just wanted to throw that in like, I also feel 0:12:30.977 --> 0:12:32.977 like they've played the Cardinals tough, like this is kind 0:12:32.977 --> 0:12:36.657 of the same, and they've also played them like oddly 0:12:36.977 --> 0:12:41.138 regularly with that seventeenth game as the NFC opponent, And 0:12:41.178 --> 0:12:42.777 I feel like all these games have kind of in 0:12:42.857 --> 0:12:47.937 the same thing where the Cardinals are this team that's 0:12:48.017 --> 0:12:50.138 kind of backsliding when they play the Patriots, but they're 0:12:50.137 --> 0:12:51.537 still seeing this like the tier above, and then the 0:12:51.538 --> 0:12:54.257 Patriots beat them. Now a couple of years ago, was 0:12:54.298 --> 0:12:56.778 it Monday Night Football where where Kyler? Or was it 0:12:56.818 --> 0:13:00.417 Thursday at night? When Kyler towards ACL that Monday night 0:13:00.458 --> 0:13:02.218 Monday Night, so they obviously didn't have to face him 0:13:02.218 --> 0:13:04.458 in that. But this is a team that that is 0:13:04.857 --> 0:13:09.058 super inconsistent in the Cardinals, a team that can get sloppy, 0:13:09.098 --> 0:13:11.218 a team that's pretty one dimensional. They're really good at 0:13:11.257 --> 0:13:12.818 that one dimension and that's why they were able to 0:13:12.818 --> 0:13:14.938 get off to the hot start they did. But it 0:13:14.977 --> 0:13:18.498 hasn't they haven't really had a great counter so this 0:13:18.538 --> 0:13:19.857 could be one of those games like that's kind of 0:13:19.857 --> 0:13:21.938 similar to the Bengals, it's kind of similar to the Bears. 0:13:21.938 --> 0:13:24.138 So it's one of those games where I do feel 0:13:24.178 --> 0:13:25.898 like the Patriots should have a chance in this one. 0:13:26.698 --> 0:13:29.218 It seems like they're relatively healthy, you know, coming off 0:13:29.218 --> 0:13:32.657 the bye week that helped as well. So I what 0:13:33.058 --> 0:13:34.737 am I picking the Patriots? No? W I put it 0:13:34.818 --> 0:13:36.018 in the winnable game category. 0:13:36.098 --> 0:13:38.738 Yes, absolutely, Yeah, it's interesting with the Cardinals that you 0:13:38.778 --> 0:13:41.057 mentioned that they started hot again and then kind of 0:13:41.098 --> 0:13:44.497 fizzled out. We always joke and kind of label that 0:13:44.617 --> 0:13:48.377 as like a Cliff Kingsbury problem, right, Like Kingsbury's offenses 0:13:48.418 --> 0:13:51.737 tend to teeter off post Thanksgiving, and it's kind of 0:13:52.257 --> 0:13:54.778 happening in Washington a little bit, like it's not as 0:13:54.818 --> 0:13:57.537 bad as it's been in the past, and the commanders 0:13:57.578 --> 0:13:59.978 look a little bit better lately. But they had a 0:14:00.058 --> 0:14:03.098 rough stretch there again offensively where that Cliff was coming 0:14:03.137 --> 0:14:07.138 for Cliff, no pun intended again nice and I swear 0:14:07.178 --> 0:14:10.498 I didn't mean to do that. And it's sort of 0:14:10.497 --> 0:14:13.818 happening in Arizona again without Cliff Kingsbury. So maybe it's 0:14:13.857 --> 0:14:17.338 a more of a Kyler Arizona problem than it is 0:14:18.017 --> 0:14:21.458 it is about Kingsbury and that specific instance. 0:14:21.298 --> 0:14:22.938 It's truth Cliff going back to like Texas. 0:14:23.018 --> 0:14:24.698 Oh, I know, I'm not saying that cliff is off 0:14:24.698 --> 0:14:27.258 the hook. I'm just saying that it's interesting that that 0:14:27.578 --> 0:14:31.698 is happening again to a Kyler Murray Cardinals team. Kyler 0:14:31.778 --> 0:14:35.898 is an interesting player, just real quick and aside. You know, 0:14:36.018 --> 0:14:40.138 I love watching Kyler. Yeah, he's a really good quarterback 0:14:40.138 --> 0:14:44.058 in my mind, but he's he's interesting. One of those 0:14:44.098 --> 0:14:47.578 guys that I don't know if it's necessarily tangible. You know, 0:14:47.618 --> 0:14:51.018 he tore his ACL obviously, you mentioned that against the 0:14:51.058 --> 0:14:52.938 Patriots a couple of years ago, and that's really the 0:14:52.978 --> 0:14:57.058 one major major injury he's had. But you do wonder 0:14:57.098 --> 0:15:00.417 how much the wear and tear on a smaller guy 0:15:00.778 --> 0:15:03.258 catches up to him in the season, and maybe that's 0:15:03.338 --> 0:15:05.698 part of the reason why he tails off. One of 0:15:05.778 --> 0:15:08.978 the other interesting stats about Kyler that I dug up 0:15:09.338 --> 0:15:15.058 while previewing this game on Patriots dot Com was against 0:15:15.738 --> 0:15:18.258 six or more rushers, Like basically want to call it 0:15:18.298 --> 0:15:19.938 an all out blitz. We can call it an all 0:15:19.978 --> 0:15:23.258 out blitz. Kyler Murray right now is the worst quarterback 0:15:23.298 --> 0:15:26.177 in the league an EPA d per drop back when 0:15:26.218 --> 0:15:29.138 teams bring six or more in a blitz, he is 0:15:29.178 --> 0:15:32.418 the worst in the league by a wide wide margin. 0:15:33.098 --> 0:15:38.578 He's subtracting point eight four expected points added per dropback 0:15:38.658 --> 0:15:42.177 in those situations, which anything over like zo point two 0:15:42.338 --> 0:15:45.258 five in either direction is a lot, right, Like, that's 0:15:45.338 --> 0:15:50.298 like an outlier number. So he's been horrible against all 0:15:50.338 --> 0:15:54.858 out pressure, against multiple you know, blitzers, and I think 0:15:54.898 --> 0:15:57.738 a big part of that is you bring those types 0:15:57.778 --> 0:16:01.498 of pressures against the quarterback like Kyler because he wants 0:16:01.538 --> 0:16:04.018 to scramble and get out of the pocket and extend plays. 0:16:04.938 --> 0:16:07.538 And now you're you know it's twofold one. You're covering 0:16:07.538 --> 0:16:09.418 all the gaps on the line of scrimmage that he 0:16:09.458 --> 0:16:12.338 has for his escape routes. Right by bringing six guys, 0:16:12.618 --> 0:16:14.898 there's really no place for him to go. And the 0:16:14.938 --> 0:16:18.338 other the other thing is that you're adding defensive backs 0:16:18.378 --> 0:16:21.658 into the pass rush. So now you have athletic guys 0:16:21.738 --> 0:16:23.578 chasing him. So you don't have three hundred and twenty 0:16:23.578 --> 0:16:27.618 pound defensive tackles chasing him, you have Kyle Duggart chasing him. 0:16:28.138 --> 0:16:30.378 Should be a good week for the Longhorn package. 0:16:30.578 --> 0:16:32.818 Yeah, so maybe the Longhorn package gets involved is a 0:16:32.858 --> 0:16:36.218 great point. And Brendan Schooler gets involved is a perfect 0:16:36.298 --> 0:16:39.338 spy on Kyler Murray but you see him get really 0:16:39.458 --> 0:16:42.978 rattled when teams bring the heat against him. And Brian 0:16:43.018 --> 0:16:45.978 Flores did that quite a bit, as he always does. 0:16:46.218 --> 0:16:48.538 A couple of weeks ago in that game that I 0:16:48.578 --> 0:16:51.018 watched is you know, similar defenses and things like that, 0:16:51.418 --> 0:16:54.138 and he brought the heat a lot against Kyler Murray. 0:16:54.298 --> 0:16:57.578 And you see some really ugly reps from Murray when 0:16:57.658 --> 0:17:00.938 you bring pressure against him, because it just takes away 0:17:01.418 --> 0:17:04.298 a lot of his like crutches, right, you know, scrambling 0:17:04.378 --> 0:17:07.618 getting the ball out quickly and the last thing. And 0:17:08.018 --> 0:17:11.338 I'm a I am not a tall man. I am 0:17:11.378 --> 0:17:13.858 also vertically challenged, so I don't want to take shots 0:17:13.898 --> 0:17:17.298 at short people. But is there a There's a piece 0:17:17.338 --> 0:17:19.858 of me that wonders if he can't see over the rush? 0:17:20.138 --> 0:17:21.698 Certainly looks like it sometimes. 0:17:21.378 --> 0:17:23.697 Right, And I say that with again, like I'm not 0:17:23.738 --> 0:17:28.338 trying to be mean, but I genuinely wonder if he 0:17:28.458 --> 0:17:32.778 struggles in those situations over the rush, and when there 0:17:32.858 --> 0:17:35.177 isn't six guys coming at him, he can kind of 0:17:35.418 --> 0:17:37.978 scramble or move off his spot to try to find 0:17:38.018 --> 0:17:41.138 those launch angles. Whereas when you bring all that all 0:17:41.138 --> 0:17:43.418 out heat, he I think he kind of doesn't see 0:17:43.458 --> 0:17:47.258 down the field very well in those situations. So long 0:17:47.258 --> 0:17:49.138 winded way of saying, I think this is a really 0:17:49.178 --> 0:17:52.778 big game for you got to be able to stop 0:17:52.858 --> 0:17:55.298 James Connor in the run game, Like if you can't 0:17:55.298 --> 0:17:59.458 get this Cardinals team a lot like the Colts, if 0:17:59.498 --> 0:18:02.258 you can't get them into third and obvious pass where 0:18:02.258 --> 0:18:04.698 you can bring some of that pressure against Kyler Murray. 0:18:05.058 --> 0:18:07.498 That's where you're going to struggle against this Cardinals team 0:18:07.818 --> 0:18:10.818 is downhill runs with James Connor. They're always ahead of 0:18:10.858 --> 0:18:12.938 the chains. They're in third and short a lot of 0:18:12.938 --> 0:18:15.178 the time, so you can't bring the pressure that you 0:18:15.218 --> 0:18:17.578 want to bring. This is one of those games where 0:18:17.618 --> 0:18:19.938 you need to stop the run and have some fun later. 0:18:20.338 --> 0:18:22.298 Yeah, it's a big game for the front as a hole, 0:18:22.338 --> 0:18:25.538 which is obviously a group that struggled this year, especially 0:18:25.538 --> 0:18:28.858 compared to expectations. But Christian Barmore has been back. He 0:18:28.938 --> 0:18:31.898 continues to ramp up, other guys getting healthier. They've added 0:18:31.978 --> 0:18:34.218 Yannick and Gockway, Like this group may be set up 0:18:34.258 --> 0:18:37.898 better than any other for that, you know, upward trajectory 0:18:37.898 --> 0:18:39.898 at the end of the year. Great test for them 0:18:39.938 --> 0:18:41.938 to start off this final push. 0:18:41.658 --> 0:18:44.458 All right, last thing on the Cardinals, and then I 0:18:44.498 --> 0:18:49.858 want to talk about some breaking news, you know, more 0:18:50.258 --> 0:18:53.938 of Belichick stuff. There's a couple bits of news. You know, 0:18:53.978 --> 0:18:56.138 guys are declaring left and right at this point for 0:18:56.178 --> 0:18:59.418 the NFL Draft. Garrett Bull signs an extension today, which 0:18:59.458 --> 0:19:01.657 I think is topical. But the last thing that I 0:19:01.658 --> 0:19:03.738 want to bring up about the Patriots in this game 0:19:03.738 --> 0:19:06.098 on Sunday, and really just down the stretch in general, 0:19:06.738 --> 0:19:09.258 the whole cold strange of it all, I find a 0:19:09.258 --> 0:19:13.858 little fascinating. I am really really weary, and I've given 0:19:13.898 --> 0:19:15.418 this take on pe you a little bit, but I 0:19:15.418 --> 0:19:19.298 want to expand on it. I'm really wary of changing 0:19:19.378 --> 0:19:22.498 centers on Drake May. I think it's a horrible idea. 0:19:22.698 --> 0:19:26.338 I think it's a recipe for disaster. I don't think 0:19:26.378 --> 0:19:29.178 Ben Brown's a part of their future plans in terms 0:19:29.178 --> 0:19:33.738 of starting center long term. But I also don't think 0:19:33.778 --> 0:19:36.338 that he's been a train wreck at center by any 0:19:36.338 --> 0:19:39.658 stretch of the imagination. And really going back and looking 0:19:39.698 --> 0:19:42.218 at it and thinking about it, they really haven't had 0:19:42.258 --> 0:19:47.178 any bad exchanges either between Drake May and Ben Brown 0:19:47.218 --> 0:19:49.418 since he got in there. And then we also have 0:19:49.538 --> 0:19:52.937 to mention that in this system, all the line calls 0:19:52.938 --> 0:19:55.458 are controlled by the center. In this system, right so 0:19:56.098 --> 0:19:58.538 pre snap, the center is the one that's making all 0:19:58.658 --> 0:20:02.298 the checks and audibles and changes to the protections and 0:20:02.338 --> 0:20:05.458 things like that. In this Alex Van Pelt offense, it's 0:20:05.498 --> 0:20:10.298 not the quarterbacks responsibility per se. So you're asking Cole Strange, 0:20:11.378 --> 0:20:14.738 who has never played center in a game before period 0:20:15.058 --> 0:20:17.578 going back to college, has never played center in a 0:20:17.618 --> 0:20:21.858 game before period, to come into a game with a 0:20:21.898 --> 0:20:24.657 rookie quarterback who's playing well and they haven't on the 0:20:24.698 --> 0:20:27.218 right track, and he is going to snap for the 0:20:27.218 --> 0:20:29.498 first time, He's going to make line calls for the 0:20:29.538 --> 0:20:32.218 first time, and he's going to snap to Drake May 0:20:32.298 --> 0:20:35.218 for really the first time in a live setting. Because 0:20:35.218 --> 0:20:37.778 these practices this late in the season, that that does 0:20:37.818 --> 0:20:41.338 not count, Like that's not live NFL football right now 0:20:41.378 --> 0:20:44.218 in week fifteen. So you put all these things together, 0:20:44.778 --> 0:20:48.218 and I understand that they want to see where Cole 0:20:48.258 --> 0:20:51.258 Strange might fit into this puzzle. I really feel like 0:20:51.338 --> 0:20:54.418 in a you know, no knock on Cole Strange necessarily, 0:20:54.778 --> 0:20:57.538 but I feel like they have to wait for cold 0:20:57.578 --> 0:21:00.978 Strange until training camp next year. I just don't necessarily 0:21:00.978 --> 0:21:03.938 think that it's smart for him to be thrown into 0:21:03.978 --> 0:21:07.898 this fire and to be forced to play a position 0:21:07.938 --> 0:21:11.098 he's never played before. With a rookie quarterback, it's a 0:21:11.138 --> 0:21:14.378 recipe for disaster. I'd be really weary of doing that 0:21:14.418 --> 0:21:16.338 to Drake may I think that's the one thing you 0:21:16.378 --> 0:21:18.658 have going for you right now is that he's playing well. 0:21:19.178 --> 0:21:21.778 So don't mess with it, because I do fear it 0:21:21.818 --> 0:21:23.418 could be a house of cards. 0:21:24.298 --> 0:21:27.098 I couldn't agree more everything I've said is make this 0:21:27.138 --> 0:21:30.458 as easy on Drake may as possible. Does col Shit 0:21:30.738 --> 0:21:32.538 maybe have a future at center? Yes, I don't even 0:21:32.578 --> 0:21:34.498 hate getting inim the practice reps right now, but like 0:21:34.538 --> 0:21:36.858 you said, like training camp next year, it makes a 0:21:36.858 --> 0:21:39.458 lot more sense to make that change. I still don't 0:21:39.658 --> 0:21:43.218 understand the blind commitment to Laydon Robinson, like there is 0:21:43.258 --> 0:21:45.738 another way to get Cold Strange in the lineup if 0:21:45.738 --> 0:21:47.698 you want him on the field. But they just won't 0:21:47.778 --> 0:21:51.378 take Laden Robinson off unless they absolutely have to. So 0:21:51.498 --> 0:21:54.618 the one thing, and this was floated as like a 0:21:54.698 --> 0:21:56.658 take and Drod Mayo was asked about it this week 0:21:56.738 --> 0:21:59.858 and he didn't straight up say no, but he didn't 0:21:59.898 --> 0:22:00.698 sound enthused. 0:22:00.698 --> 0:22:00.938 By it. 0:22:00.978 --> 0:22:02.938 But I have seen some people suggest like a rotation 0:22:03.498 --> 0:22:07.258 where it's Cole Strange and Ben Brown rotating. That's probably 0:22:07.338 --> 0:22:10.657 worse than just col Strange outright. That's the one thing 0:22:10.658 --> 0:22:12.058 I don't want to see them do. But no, I'd 0:22:12.098 --> 0:22:13.698 like to see them stick with Ben Brown and stick 0:22:13.738 --> 0:22:14.458 with the continuity. 0:22:15.458 --> 0:22:18.378 I would just say it would be easier to change, 0:22:18.818 --> 0:22:20.658 Like if you wanted to have a rotation to try 0:22:20.658 --> 0:22:23.418 to get both those guys reps, I can I could 0:22:23.458 --> 0:22:26.018 hear that if it was like tackle or guard. I 0:22:26.018 --> 0:22:29.698 think that's more doable where you have a rotation, or 0:22:30.738 --> 0:22:33.098 maybe it's halves or so. I don't know what exactly 0:22:33.218 --> 0:22:35.697 would look like necessarily, but if you want to get 0:22:35.738 --> 0:22:38.178 both those guys game reps and left guard is sort 0:22:38.218 --> 0:22:40.618 of a rotation, maybe you do it for the first 0:22:40.698 --> 0:22:42.938 couple series and then you ride the hot hand, you know, 0:22:42.938 --> 0:22:46.338 whoever's playing better, you know, midway through the second quarter 0:22:46.378 --> 0:22:50.218 against the rest of the game. I could entertain that. 0:22:50.338 --> 0:22:52.418 I think it's a totally different animal when you start 0:22:52.458 --> 0:22:54.698 talking about center, and when we start talking about a 0:22:54.698 --> 0:22:56.937 team that wants to go under center and play from 0:22:57.018 --> 0:22:59.978 underneath center and you have to put the quarterback under center. 0:23:01.978 --> 0:23:02.258 Elements. 0:23:02.418 --> 0:23:05.018 Yeah, and the communication is a big piece of it. 0:23:05.258 --> 0:23:08.658 So I think it's really difficult to rotate at center. Specifically, 0:23:08.898 --> 0:23:11.417 they wanted to rotate Landon Robinson and cold Strange at 0:23:11.458 --> 0:23:13.258 left guard. I would be more open to that. I 0:23:13.258 --> 0:23:16.218 still don't necessarily think it's necessary, Like, I don't know 0:23:16.258 --> 0:23:19.018 why we're doing this for cold Strange. I really just don't, 0:23:19.338 --> 0:23:21.657 especially this late in the season. Like it's not like 0:23:21.738 --> 0:23:24.538 he hasn't he has shown at times that he can 0:23:24.538 --> 0:23:27.778 play in the NFL. Again, I just I don't see 0:23:27.778 --> 0:23:30.378 what we're going to gain from that, especially from the 0:23:30.538 --> 0:23:33.298 point of view that as we sort of segue into 0:23:33.298 --> 0:23:35.258 some of this news that's broken over the last couple 0:23:35.218 --> 0:23:38.417 of days, they're probably gonna have a pretty significantly different 0:23:38.458 --> 0:23:42.298 offensive line to start twenty twenty five. Sure, yeah, you're 0:23:42.338 --> 0:23:45.738 you're looking at probably two new tackles at least on 0:23:45.778 --> 0:23:48.658 that offensive line. So at what point do you also 0:23:48.698 --> 0:23:50.618 look at it and say, well, it's not even the group, right, 0:23:50.738 --> 0:23:53.138 It's not like he's getting in there and it's gonna 0:23:53.138 --> 0:23:55.338 be the same four guys and you know, same five 0:23:55.418 --> 0:23:59.138 including him next week year in Week one twenty twenty five, 0:23:59.218 --> 0:24:02.778 barring injury, it's gonna be a significant shuffle anyways. So 0:24:03.178 --> 0:24:06.418 I would just the biggest point though, of that whole thing, 0:24:07.258 --> 0:24:09.938 is that I just would not mess with this element 0:24:09.978 --> 0:24:12.378 for Drake May. I just think it's worked with Ben Brown. 0:24:12.698 --> 0:24:17.258 It's been smooth with Ben Brown from a snapping communications standpoint, 0:24:17.258 --> 0:24:19.058 I just wouldn't mess with it. All right, let's get 0:24:19.058 --> 0:24:22.418 to some of this this news over the last couple 0:24:22.378 --> 0:24:25.418 of days. Obviously, Bill Belichick is being introduced as the 0:24:25.418 --> 0:24:27.698 North Carolina head coach as we speak. 0:24:27.738 --> 0:24:30.498 They gave him a cut off unc hoodie sick. He 0:24:30.538 --> 0:24:32.698 also held up his dad's hoodie for what his dad 0:24:32.738 --> 0:24:34.178 coached there in the fifties. 0:24:34.258 --> 0:24:36.538 Wow, wow, I. 0:24:36.218 --> 0:24:38.778 Hate this all you want? You're in the minority on that, 0:24:39.218 --> 0:24:40.738 am I? Yeah? 0:24:41.218 --> 0:24:44.418 Okay. So we've argued about this off the air already, 0:24:44.818 --> 0:24:46.938 and I want to bring some of the text messages 0:24:46.938 --> 0:24:49.138 to light. Some of it's probably not great for air. 0:24:49.418 --> 0:24:52.778 Some of it is, though, And I just think for me, 0:24:53.938 --> 0:24:55.218 and this is strictly my opinion. 0:24:55.218 --> 0:24:56.538 Did you want to start here? Did you want to 0:24:56.538 --> 0:24:57.738 start with bulls? And I go to you into this 0:24:57.738 --> 0:24:58.738 because we can start with bulls. 0:24:58.778 --> 0:25:01.058 No, I wanted to start with, it doesn't matter. It 0:25:01.098 --> 0:25:05.657 didn't matter the order when it comes to Bill at UNC, 0:25:06.738 --> 0:25:09.858 I have two different ways of looking at it that 0:25:10.058 --> 0:25:11.338 end up in the same place, right. 0:25:11.418 --> 0:25:11.698 Yeah. 0:25:11.738 --> 0:25:14.298 The first place that I look at it is this 0:25:14.378 --> 0:25:17.858 job is beneath Bill Belichick. Okay. And that's no disrespect 0:25:17.858 --> 0:25:20.818 to the University of North Carolina. It just is beneath it. 0:25:20.818 --> 0:25:25.258 It's a basketball school, it's an ACC program in college 0:25:25.298 --> 0:25:29.378 football that's never really been part of the conversation of 0:25:29.418 --> 0:25:32.378 an elite program. And on the football side of the things, 0:25:32.458 --> 0:25:35.898 you can Dora May like that, but like Drake made 0:25:35.898 --> 0:25:38.258 is such a great example of this. Like Drake May 0:25:38.498 --> 0:25:41.738 was the only reason why they've been relevant in like 0:25:41.778 --> 0:25:44.498 the last decade is because they had Drake Man. I 0:25:44.498 --> 0:25:47.418 guess like Mitch Trubisky too, technically was an early draft pick, 0:25:47.458 --> 0:25:50.538 but Mitch Trubisky's North Carolina teams weren't very good. It 0:25:50.618 --> 0:25:53.138 was just that he was an NFL prospect. Drake May 0:25:53.218 --> 0:25:56.178 took them to the a SEC Championship game his true 0:25:56.218 --> 0:26:00.098 sophomore season. Otherwise they wouldn't even have been relevant for 0:26:00.138 --> 0:26:04.258 the last like decade. And it's not It's not Alabama, 0:26:04.578 --> 0:26:08.698 it's not Ohio State. It's not Georgia, it's not Texas 0:26:08.778 --> 0:26:11.578 or not USC Like if he was gonna go to 0:26:11.618 --> 0:26:15.338 one of those schools, then I could sit here and say, Okay, 0:26:15.418 --> 0:26:21.578 he went to a blue blud national champion contender, year 0:26:21.618 --> 0:26:24.937 and year out program. Right, it'd be like the college 0:26:24.978 --> 0:26:28.898 football equivalent of inheriting the Philadelphia Eagles or like the 0:26:28.978 --> 0:26:31.458 Dallas Cowboys or something like college. 0:26:31.498 --> 0:26:35.618 So this is where I think, maybe like there's really two. 0:26:36.418 --> 0:26:39.178 This story's fascinating because you see coaches jump back and 0:26:39.178 --> 0:26:42.098 forth sometimes between college and the pros, but that's usually 0:26:42.138 --> 0:26:45.178 a certain coach, Pete Carroll it was one example. I 0:26:45.218 --> 0:26:47.058 don't know why these names are coming to be Matt Ruhl. Right. 0:26:48.098 --> 0:26:50.858 You have these rare instances, though, where a lifer on 0:26:50.858 --> 0:26:53.818 one side goes to the other. The most recent was 0:26:54.538 --> 0:27:00.138 Urban Meyer, And you get a group of people that 0:27:00.338 --> 0:27:04.218 maybe don't follow the other side regularly or closely or 0:27:04.218 --> 0:27:06.938 with the level of familiarity, that suddenly end up on 0:27:06.978 --> 0:27:09.538 that other side because they're following the individual. So what 0:27:09.618 --> 0:27:11.498 you just said, for instance, right where well, it's not 0:27:11.538 --> 0:27:16.138 one of these blue bloods. There are so few true 0:27:16.338 --> 0:27:20.698 blue blood college football teams left that are relevant that 0:27:20.778 --> 0:27:23.378 are considered elite no matter how good the team actually is. 0:27:23.658 --> 0:27:27.298 There are fewer of those than ever, and those teams 0:27:27.378 --> 0:27:29.978 just don't Usually they hire from with it, Like it's 0:27:30.018 --> 0:27:33.938 not that from them an opening? What in college football? 0:27:34.018 --> 0:27:37.658 Like what what the coaches do to prove themselves? You 0:27:37.738 --> 0:27:40.538 go to that second tier school and you elevate it 0:27:40.578 --> 0:27:42.418 to compete with the blue bloods. Look at what Dion 0:27:42.498 --> 0:27:43.258 did in Colorado. 0:27:43.338 --> 0:27:45.818 Yeah, but Deon, But that's a perfect example because Dion. 0:27:46.658 --> 0:27:49.618 It couldn't have worked out better than it has with 0:27:49.658 --> 0:27:53.138 Dion in Colorado. And part of the reason why it's 0:27:53.178 --> 0:27:55.818 worked out so well is that his son is a 0:27:55.858 --> 0:27:58.898 really good quarterback. So he got him by default because 0:27:58.898 --> 0:28:02.498 that's his son. And Travis Hunter is the best player 0:28:02.498 --> 0:28:05.258 in college football. He is, don't tell me about your 0:28:05.338 --> 0:28:08.258 running back. Okay, he's the best player in college football. 0:28:08.618 --> 0:28:12.218 And he was at Jackson State with Dion and like 0:28:12.258 --> 0:28:15.938 it just like Dion. My point is that Dion kind 0:28:15.938 --> 0:28:17.978 of got lucky that those two guys were in his 0:28:18.018 --> 0:28:19.218 back pocket, right. 0:28:20.138 --> 0:28:23.098 Sure, But like I'm expecting Bill to do well in 0:28:23.098 --> 0:28:23.578 the portal. 0:28:24.818 --> 0:28:25.738 Yeah, Like, maybe. 0:28:25.738 --> 0:28:28.338 Bill's not that that that Yukon team last year went 0:28:28.378 --> 0:28:30.778 six and six with the backup quarterback Max Johnson broke 0:28:30.818 --> 0:28:33.778 his leg first month of the season and was out right, 0:28:33.858 --> 0:28:37.898 yeah when when And Michael Lombardi was on MCAFEW today 0:28:37.898 --> 0:28:39.418 and he was already talking about we're going to hit 0:28:39.418 --> 0:28:42.178 the portal heavy. When Dion showed up to Colorado, you 0:28:42.218 --> 0:28:44.418 talk about you talk about Travis Hunter. Obviously they were 0:28:44.418 --> 0:28:47.898 big pieces, but they brought in fifty two players through 0:28:47.938 --> 0:28:50.378 the portal and they had fifty leave. It was an 0:28:50.538 --> 0:28:53.978 entirely new team. So can Bill go out, even if 0:28:54.138 --> 0:28:57.618 he's they're not the guy's not his son, and get 0:28:57.938 --> 0:29:00.818 a five star portal quarterback? I think he could. I 0:29:00.978 --> 0:29:02.938 I think he could. I look at Malik Murphy, who's 0:29:02.978 --> 0:29:05.738 right down the road. If Bill so, Malik Murphy was 0:29:05.778 --> 0:29:07.818 the guy who played over right, he was the guy 0:29:07.818 --> 0:29:10.018 who played over Arch Texas transferred to Duke last year. 0:29:10.018 --> 0:29:13.458 He's back in the portal. If Bill shows up and 0:29:13.498 --> 0:29:15.738 flips Duke's quarterback to UNC. 0:29:16.258 --> 0:29:19.018 Great, But like, but why would I Why do I care? 0:29:19.298 --> 0:29:20.898 Like this is the others my other angle. 0:29:20.978 --> 0:29:22.418 It's it's because it's fascinating. 0:29:22.418 --> 0:29:25.258 Why is it fascinating? Because this is why do I care? 0:29:25.658 --> 0:29:29.138 What Bill Belichick does in two months, you know whatever? 0:29:29.298 --> 0:29:31.218 How many months? Six months? For now when we get 0:29:31.258 --> 0:29:34.018 back to college football next fall and he's coaching, you know, 0:29:34.378 --> 0:29:37.178 at North Carolina down in Chapel Hill next year, Like, 0:29:37.258 --> 0:29:41.018 what do I care about North Carolina n C State 0:29:41.378 --> 0:29:44.618 and Bill Belichick coaching a college football game for twelve 0:29:44.658 --> 0:29:46.498 pm on a Saturday on free Form? 0:29:46.618 --> 0:29:49.578 So what is all c W? 0:29:49.578 --> 0:29:52.738 Why would I care? Why would I watch? Like? Am 0:29:52.778 --> 0:29:56.538 I gonna start doing like film breakdowns on if. 0:29:56.418 --> 0:29:58.818 You always complained college football? Well, it's so basic. They 0:29:58.858 --> 0:29:59.778 only run you know. 0:30:00.378 --> 0:30:02.618 That's another piece of it though, and you give your 0:30:02.658 --> 0:30:04.178 take and can. 0:30:04.138 --> 0:30:09.538 Bill put some more complex systems into the college game? 0:30:09.898 --> 0:30:14.578 And that No, just no, you're not you're not even 0:30:14.618 --> 0:30:15.898 open to the possibility of it. 0:30:17.218 --> 0:30:20.418 Not at that program. No, that pro okay, but. 0:30:20.378 --> 0:30:23.218 You need to move on from the idea of that 0:30:23.298 --> 0:30:27.698 program because Colorado was that program. Colorado wasn't. 0:30:27.738 --> 0:30:30.258 But Colorado can't do that either. Like that's the other 0:30:30.498 --> 0:30:33.258 them into this that I find fascinating, Uh, that I 0:30:33.338 --> 0:30:36.378 just can't wrap my head around, is like, okay, so 0:30:36.418 --> 0:30:38.858 they're they're gonna treat it like an NFL team. Yeah, right, 0:30:38.858 --> 0:30:40.618 where it's good. You're like you just said, they're gonna 0:30:40.658 --> 0:30:42.618 hit the portal and they're gonna be fifty in and 0:30:42.658 --> 0:30:44.818 fifty out. It's gonna be like the draft and free 0:30:44.818 --> 0:30:47.218 agency right where the whole roster is gonna turn over 0:30:47.338 --> 0:30:51.178 essentially in one offseason. I I totally get that. But 0:30:51.298 --> 0:30:54.258 my biggest thing with for Bill from a coaching standpoint 0:30:54.258 --> 0:30:56.698 with this is that what you're gonna You're gonna start 0:30:56.778 --> 0:30:59.858 running match coverages, and you're gonna start running uh, you know, 0:31:00.058 --> 0:31:03.298 creeper schemes, and you're gonna start running Tomahawk blitzes and 0:31:03.338 --> 0:31:05.258 all these different things that they did here. Are you 0:31:05.338 --> 0:31:11.698 gonna play forty five percent man coverage? I really college kids? 0:31:11.778 --> 0:31:12.658 I really think they might. 0:31:12.778 --> 0:31:15.138 Alwa's gonna get torched, is he? Yes? 0:31:15.178 --> 0:31:15.858 In the ACC? 0:31:16.218 --> 0:31:18.858 Yes, you can't do that. And because you just don't 0:31:18.898 --> 0:31:20.898 have the horses, like, you don't have the personnel to do, 0:31:21.418 --> 0:31:23.578 don't have Stefan Gilmour to go out there. 0:31:23.978 --> 0:31:26.218 First of all, you're not facing the same level of opponents. 0:31:26.258 --> 0:31:28.698 I get that, But I'm more talking about, like the scheme, the. 0:31:28.618 --> 0:31:30.938 Best wide receiver in the ACC just transfer out case 0:31:30.938 --> 0:31:32.818 he conception on well, we don't know where he's going yet, 0:31:32.818 --> 0:31:36.338 but he's leaving m C State. They What makes it 0:31:36.378 --> 0:31:40.578 so interesting to me is you never Bill is the 0:31:40.618 --> 0:31:44.578 greatest NFL coach of all time, period, full stop. There 0:31:44.618 --> 0:31:46.778 is a strong arguments we made that he's the greatest 0:31:46.778 --> 0:31:48.738 coach in the history of the sport, period, full stop. 0:31:49.058 --> 0:31:53.098 A lot of these guys don't have that crossover. This 0:31:53.138 --> 0:31:54.938 is something that goes on. I remember having this argument 0:31:54.938 --> 0:31:58.098 with somebody once about coach k is coach k the 0:31:58.138 --> 0:32:00.498 greatest coach in basketball history, the greatest coach in college 0:32:00.538 --> 0:32:05.018 basketball history. I okay, well, this person was a big 0:32:05.098 --> 0:32:07.298 Duke fan, so they clearly thought. But like the point is, 0:32:08.098 --> 0:32:09.818 so a lot of people have talked about Schooles's record 0:32:09.898 --> 0:32:11.778 and what that would mean for Bill as an NFL 0:32:11.818 --> 0:32:14.058 head coach. I don't think he needs Shoul's record to 0:32:14.058 --> 0:32:15.818 be the greatest NFL head coach of all time. He 0:32:15.818 --> 0:32:19.258 already is. You know, there are very few things that 0:32:19.298 --> 0:32:22.578 could actually add to Bill Belichick's resume in terms of 0:32:22.618 --> 0:32:25.818 like what he's accomplished. Do you know how many coaches 0:32:25.858 --> 0:32:28.018 have won both a Super Bowl in the National Championship? 0:32:29.458 --> 0:32:29.938 Not many? 0:32:30.138 --> 0:32:34.418 Three? You know who they are? Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer, Yeah, 0:32:34.578 --> 0:32:35.898 and Jimmy Johnson. 0:32:36.138 --> 0:32:39.738 That's that's an interesting group. I would not have guessed 0:32:39.738 --> 0:32:40.418 Barry Switzer. 0:32:41.018 --> 0:32:44.858 Yeah, that's the what everybody forgets. But like you had that, 0:32:45.498 --> 0:32:47.658 and Bill's never gonna be He doesn't have enough time 0:32:47.658 --> 0:32:49.338 to be the greatest college coach of all time. He's 0:32:49.338 --> 0:32:51.538 not He's not catching Saban Like, that's not gonna happen. 0:32:51.778 --> 0:32:52.978 He's not gonna be there that long. 0:32:53.498 --> 0:32:57.898 It just doesn't like he knows himself doesn't matter. 0:32:58.418 --> 0:33:00.858 I think you're in the minority on that. I don't 0:33:00.858 --> 0:33:01.778 find it fascinating. 0:33:02.538 --> 0:33:06.498 You like college football. It's not just college in the 0:33:06.498 --> 0:33:08.858 state of Massachusetts that cares about college football. 0:33:09.058 --> 0:33:12.698 That's changing. I put out a poll last night. There's 0:33:13.578 --> 0:33:16.098 people said they're gonna follow you at The reality is, 0:33:16.138 --> 0:33:18.058 once we start following the stuff, you get hooked. 0:33:18.218 --> 0:33:22.218 Look, no, there's a difference between yeah, like I'll follow it, 0:33:22.458 --> 0:33:26.738 like you know, I'll I'll know what they're they're doing relatively, 0:33:26.898 --> 0:33:27.938 and you know, if the. 0:33:28.098 --> 0:33:30.818 College football hooks people, that's what it does. It hooks, Yes, 0:33:30.858 --> 0:33:33.218 it does. It doesn't hook you, hook me, It doesn't 0:33:33.258 --> 0:33:35.258 hook you, but it hooks people. And that's the other 0:33:35.338 --> 0:33:36.978 element to this, to go back to my point about 0:33:36.978 --> 0:33:40.618 you have two different groups looking at this. Yesterday is 0:33:40.658 --> 0:33:43.938 a major win for the sport of college football. I 0:33:43.978 --> 0:33:45.338 think it's a win for football as a whole. 0:33:45.698 --> 0:33:50.098 Belichick at that level crazy that you think that this 0:33:50.218 --> 0:33:53.578 is good for football, that Bill Belichick is not going 0:33:53.658 --> 0:33:55.578 to be coaching in the NFL and he's going to 0:33:55.618 --> 0:33:59.578 be coaching North Carolina Bill Belichick, Well, no. 0:33:59.538 --> 0:34:01.138 But I think it's better than him working in media. 0:34:01.178 --> 0:34:02.938 I think it's better than him not beat not having 0:34:03.018 --> 0:34:03.538 hands hoffs. 0:34:04.018 --> 0:34:08.497 It's the best part of this interesting. Only interesting part 0:34:08.498 --> 0:34:11.897 of this story to me is why isn't Bill in 0:34:11.898 --> 0:34:14.538 the NFL? Like that's the only interesting part of the 0:34:14.578 --> 0:34:17.778 story to me, because the other piece of this that 0:34:17.777 --> 0:34:20.898 that irks me, and this is just on a personal level, 0:34:21.098 --> 0:34:23.897 it just irks me. I understand a lot of people 0:34:23.978 --> 0:34:27.538 don't care about this side of it, but the you know, 0:34:27.578 --> 0:34:32.258 you're texting me this morning that that college football that 0:34:32.297 --> 0:34:34.538 Bill is was disgusted by the. 0:34:34.498 --> 0:34:36.858 State a quote. 0:34:36.938 --> 0:34:39.498 I know, but you're the one that told me that 0:34:39.538 --> 0:34:43.777 this came out right, that he's disgusted and that the 0:34:43.898 --> 0:34:47.658 words that you used were that college football. After you said, 0:34:47.658 --> 0:34:50.418 this is my coach because he likes college football better 0:34:50.458 --> 0:34:53.458 than the NFL. You said that this is the purest 0:34:53.538 --> 0:34:58.178 form of football. Blah, Like just blah, all right, And 0:34:58.218 --> 0:35:01.218 then all I'm getting at here with this is like 0:35:01.418 --> 0:35:04.218 stop it with the spin zone, Like can we just 0:35:04.458 --> 0:35:07.538 be real? Can we just stop it? Like he did? 0:35:07.618 --> 0:35:10.218 This was not his choice, This was not his first 0:35:10.298 --> 0:35:12.738 choice to go coach in North Carolina, Like just be 0:35:12.818 --> 0:35:15.258 a human being and be real for one what. 0:35:15.578 --> 0:35:18.777 Do you but what do you want? Like you won't 0:35:18.858 --> 0:35:22.458 leave open the monoker of a possibility that there grew 0:35:22.578 --> 0:35:23.777 up around the college game. 0:35:23.938 --> 0:35:29.058 There is a zero point zero percent chance that Bill Belichick, 0:35:29.218 --> 0:35:33.218 if he had his pick, would pick North Carolina over 0:35:33.298 --> 0:35:37.777 coaching an NFL team. Zero point zero. There is no way. 0:35:38.338 --> 0:35:41.098 And all of this stuff that's coming out, the Wickersham 0:35:41.178 --> 0:35:43.618 article and all this stuff that's coming out about how 0:35:43.698 --> 0:35:46.258 he was done with the no, the NFL was done 0:35:46.338 --> 0:35:49.058 with you, And if we could just have that conversation 0:35:49.218 --> 0:35:51.578 like real people, then I'd be open to it. 0:35:51.618 --> 0:35:54.138 What does that say more about the NFL or Bill Belichick? 0:35:54.858 --> 0:35:57.498 It's irrelevant to the point that I'm trying to make, 0:35:57.818 --> 0:35:59.658 Like the point that I am trying to make is 0:35:59.698 --> 0:36:03.338 that every single time something goes down with Bill the 0:36:03.418 --> 0:36:06.498 spin zone that has to happen after it. Like you 0:36:06.538 --> 0:36:09.138 don't need that, dude, Like you don't need it. You're 0:36:09.218 --> 0:36:12.138 Bill Belichick. You're the greatest coach of all time in 0:36:12.138 --> 0:36:15.138 my mind. You don't need to then send Mike Lombardi 0:36:15.218 --> 0:36:18.498 on every single show and talk about how college is 0:36:18.538 --> 0:36:21.418 such a better job than the NFL at this point, 0:36:21.458 --> 0:36:24.778 and how you know this is really a much better 0:36:24.898 --> 0:36:29.058 situation for Bill. Come on, Like everyone knows that Bill 0:36:29.098 --> 0:36:32.018 would rather be coaching in the end NFL. Everybody knows 0:36:32.058 --> 0:36:34.738 that he'd rather be chasing Shula, and that he'd be 0:36:34.738 --> 0:36:37.698 better off in the NFL and all those types of things. 0:36:37.738 --> 0:36:39.938 Like everyone knows that that's where he wants to be. 0:36:40.378 --> 0:36:43.858 It's if you want to talk about whose fault is 0:36:43.858 --> 0:36:47.738 that that is more interesting to me than North Carolina 0:36:47.938 --> 0:36:50.218 for Central Florida in October. 0:36:50.218 --> 0:36:53.778 You don't think that there's a little bit of a possibility. 0:36:53.778 --> 0:36:56.777 Maybe it's not his first top choice. I think his 0:36:56.818 --> 0:36:58.618 first top choice would have been to finish here and 0:36:58.618 --> 0:37:02.138 get the record here, right, But you don't think that 0:37:02.178 --> 0:37:04.938 there's a little bit of a possibility that he grew 0:37:04.978 --> 0:37:07.218 up around the college game. He was raised in it, 0:37:07.738 --> 0:37:10.378 and he's had an affinity for it. And there was 0:37:10.458 --> 0:37:13.338 never really an opportunity for him to leave or for 0:37:13.458 --> 0:37:15.418 him to go to make that jump, Like he was 0:37:15.458 --> 0:37:18.298 on the NFL path he was with Parcels. That was 0:37:18.338 --> 0:37:20.698 the path to becoming a head coach, not going to college. 0:37:20.698 --> 0:37:23.297 It was sticking with Parcels. Did that got here? He 0:37:23.378 --> 0:37:25.538 wasn't gonna leave here for a college job with the 0:37:25.538 --> 0:37:28.378 success he was having. Now he has an opportunity to 0:37:28.418 --> 0:37:31.338 do it, and it's this is it. Like if he 0:37:31.378 --> 0:37:33.218 ever wanted to coach college football, this is it. And 0:37:33.258 --> 0:37:35.658 maybe it was always somebody wanted to try. Maybe it's 0:37:35.658 --> 0:37:37.258 not his first option, but maybe it was somebody he 0:37:37.298 --> 0:37:41.538 wanted to try. And you keep bringing up unceivers, UCF whatever. 0:37:42.098 --> 0:37:44.058 He's the greatest coach of all time. If he's putting 0:37:44.058 --> 0:37:46.578 a team on the field, it's inherently interesting to see 0:37:46.618 --> 0:37:48.777 what that looks like. You're acting like and I'll even 0:37:48.818 --> 0:37:51.218 I'll even slayer my own brand here. You're acting like 0:37:51.258 --> 0:37:53.138 he went to the the UFL. You're acting like he 0:37:53.178 --> 0:37:54.058 went to the spring league. 0:37:54.178 --> 0:37:57.378 No, if he did that, I'd be like, yeah, I'm 0:37:57.378 --> 0:38:03.178 being real about this. I I agree that come next fall, 0:38:03.658 --> 0:38:07.458 people will be generally aware of what's going on at 0:38:07.498 --> 0:38:10.858 North Carolina. I would say, in a lot of ways, 0:38:10.898 --> 0:38:13.658 it's similar to Bill O'Brien going to Boston College, right, 0:38:13.658 --> 0:38:15.898 Like it wasn't the main story in town by any 0:38:15.938 --> 0:38:20.218 stretch of the imagination, Bill Belichick, But you really truly 0:38:20.298 --> 0:38:24.498 think that, Like your station is gonna be doing full 0:38:24.618 --> 0:38:26.898 segments on what is going on with North Caroline. 0:38:26.898 --> 0:38:29.458 I think on Monday you'll probably get a segment of 0:38:29.658 --> 0:38:31.218 what do you think of the North Carolina game? Would 0:38:31.218 --> 0:38:33.418 you think the job Bill did this week? Do it? 0:38:33.498 --> 0:38:34.298 That's my station. 0:38:34.378 --> 0:38:35.458 I'm gonna do it on the website. 0:38:35.498 --> 0:38:38.738 That's crazy, that's absolutely crazy. If people are gonna be 0:38:38.778 --> 0:38:40.098 actually sitting. 0:38:39.778 --> 0:38:42.297 Down if we did we did, if we did full 0:38:42.418 --> 0:38:44.618 days of Brady and Tampa. I think Bill in North 0:38:44.658 --> 0:38:46.817 Carolina gets a segment that I'm not saying it's gonna 0:38:46.858 --> 0:38:47.818 be as close as Brady and. 0:38:47.858 --> 0:38:50.418 Tem so different and Brady and Tampa was so much 0:38:50.498 --> 0:38:52.738 more compelling. Like I think that's the do. 0:38:52.738 --> 0:38:54.978 You remember what everybody said when Brady went to go 0:38:55.018 --> 0:38:59.098 to Tampa barely an NFL team. It's like the same thing, 0:39:00.458 --> 0:39:02.058 people the same thing. 0:39:02.178 --> 0:39:04.538 I I just I don't want to keep laboring Bill 0:39:04.618 --> 0:39:07.337 because I really don't care. But at the same time, 0:39:07.418 --> 0:39:09.817 I just the part of that irks me about this 0:39:10.218 --> 0:39:12.777 is that it would have been so much more interesting 0:39:13.178 --> 0:39:15.298 to see what he did with an NFL team, Like 0:39:15.378 --> 0:39:18.898 could he get back to the top in the NFL. 0:39:18.978 --> 0:39:20.018 I think this is more challenge. 0:39:21.538 --> 0:39:25.218 You just will not admit that anything bad about college football. 0:39:25.258 --> 0:39:26.258 You just won't. 0:39:26.458 --> 0:39:28.378 I was saying the college team is more of a 0:39:28.458 --> 0:39:32.378 challenge because because a good pay for college. 0:39:32.978 --> 0:39:34.978 What's the ceiling for him at North Carolina? 0:39:35.178 --> 0:39:36.297 Like national championship? 0:39:36.298 --> 0:39:38.578 Oh, there's no way he's winning a national championship. 0:39:39.058 --> 0:39:42.178 You don't think there's any shot in that conference. You 0:39:42.258 --> 0:39:47.178 can't even get to the college football Playoff. No, he 0:39:47.258 --> 0:39:50.098 made the pitch on McAfee the other day. This program 0:39:50.218 --> 0:39:53.698 is going to be geared solely around getting players ready 0:39:53.858 --> 0:39:56.818 for the NFL. That is going to resonate with a 0:39:56.858 --> 0:40:00.417 lot of players in the portal high school recruits. That's 0:40:00.418 --> 0:40:01.778 going to resonate a lot. 0:40:01.898 --> 0:40:03.938 I'm not saying that he's not going to attract players. 0:40:04.058 --> 0:40:06.978 I agree. You know, we had this conversation on PU 0:40:07.378 --> 0:40:11.058 as a story was developing, and the whole thing, And 0:40:11.138 --> 0:40:13.618 I think this is a really interesting point that you 0:40:13.738 --> 0:40:15.978 can kind of speak to more than most people, right, 0:40:16.298 --> 0:40:22.337 Like the whole point of oh, like, you know, he's 0:40:22.378 --> 0:40:24.378 going to have to go on a seventeen year old's 0:40:24.418 --> 0:40:27.258 couch and recruit them to come play North football in 0:40:27.338 --> 0:40:28.138 North Carolina. 0:40:28.258 --> 0:40:29.858 No no, no, no, no no, that's not the kind of 0:40:29.898 --> 0:40:30.458 kids he's recruits. 0:40:30.538 --> 0:40:33.618 He's gonna recruit out of the portal. And Mike Lombardi 0:40:33.698 --> 0:40:38.218 went on visiting his old station, old network, and he 0:40:38.458 --> 0:40:42.778 mentioned that they are going to build an NFL front 0:40:42.778 --> 0:40:47.698 office in college football at North Carolina where they are 0:40:47.738 --> 0:40:51.578 going to have their primary responsibility is going to be 0:40:51.618 --> 0:40:54.178 scouting the portal. It's not going to be scouting the 0:40:54.218 --> 0:40:58.418 sixteen year old at you know, a freaking odesci Permian, 0:40:58.658 --> 0:41:01.058 right Like, it's that's not what they're gonna They'll do 0:41:01.138 --> 0:41:03.458 that because you have to. But let's face it, Bill's 0:41:03.458 --> 0:41:06.098 seventy two years old. So like once that sixteen year 0:41:06.138 --> 0:41:08.978 old kid gets to North Carolina and is ready to 0:41:08.978 --> 0:41:11.178 play in a game in North Carolina, he might even 0:41:11.178 --> 0:41:11.777 be the coach there. 0:41:11.858 --> 0:41:13.777 That's why I think Bill's gonna be there for three years. 0:41:13.778 --> 0:41:16.178 It's gonna be this first for I mean, it'll be 0:41:16.258 --> 0:41:19.578 portal heavy, but this first freshman class will be his class. 0:41:19.618 --> 0:41:22.098 These are gonna be the kids that he's going with. 0:41:22.578 --> 0:41:25.258 And the guy to watch that I'm gonna be fascinated 0:41:25.298 --> 0:41:29.898 with is a guy named Faizon Brandon. So the number 0:41:30.178 --> 0:41:33.938 so the one thing our old friend Track Yeah, tweeted 0:41:33.938 --> 0:41:36.338 this yesterday. He said, you know, as Bill gets a 0:41:36.378 --> 0:41:38.338 going at UNC, it's all going to be about finding 0:41:38.378 --> 0:41:40.618 the irony of Bill has to find the next Drake May. 0:41:40.858 --> 0:41:42.658 He left the Patriots, goes to UNC. Now he has 0:41:42.658 --> 0:41:45.098 to find the next Drake May. The one thing UNC 0:41:45.258 --> 0:41:49.418 has always done well as a program, better than probably 0:41:49.458 --> 0:41:53.018 any program in the country outside of maybe USC, is 0:41:53.418 --> 0:41:57.778 the top in state quarterbacks stay in state good University 0:41:57.818 --> 0:42:00.498 of North Good Quarterbacks from the state of North Carolina 0:42:00.698 --> 0:42:03.778 play at the University of North Carolina. Just so happens. 0:42:04.098 --> 0:42:06.738 So the guy in this upcoming class twenty twenty five 0:42:06.778 --> 0:42:10.138 graduating this year, number one North Carolina quarterback, he's already 0:42:10.138 --> 0:42:11.898 committed to UNC. We'll see if that sticks, but I 0:42:11.898 --> 0:42:16.018 would imagine it will. Yeah, Class twenty twenty six, the 0:42:16.138 --> 0:42:19.258 number one quarterback from North Carolina is actually the number 0:42:19.258 --> 0:42:21.658 one recruit in the country. Yeah, he's a guy named 0:42:21.698 --> 0:42:22.778 Faizon Brandon. 0:42:23.218 --> 0:42:24.658 In fact, that from Greensboro. 0:42:24.698 --> 0:42:27.298 I looked usup last night from Greensboro, less than an 0:42:27.298 --> 0:42:30.978 hour from Chapel Hill. Yeah, he's currently committed to Tennessee. 0:42:32.218 --> 0:42:35.018 Does Bill go and try to Benedict Arnold on our 0:42:35.058 --> 0:42:37.578 hands here? Does Bill? Does Bill go and try to 0:42:37.578 --> 0:42:40.458 flip skip right over? Because if because I know what 0:42:40.458 --> 0:42:41.498 you meant, If. 0:42:41.298 --> 0:42:44.258 Bill does her, he's a trader. That's what it means. 0:42:44.418 --> 0:42:48.618 Okay, Well, I mean, uh, Tennessee recruits heavily North Carolina 0:42:48.658 --> 0:42:51.817 for other positions with the guns quarterback. If Bill goes 0:42:51.858 --> 0:42:54.618 and and Faison was asked about this, that's the impact 0:42:54.618 --> 0:42:57.058 of Bill Belichick. They're asking the number one recruit in 0:42:57.098 --> 0:43:00.578 the country, who was already committed, what did you think? 0:43:00.818 --> 0:43:03.298 And he went down. So he says talent. So the 0:43:03.378 --> 0:43:05.218 kid says, yeah, you know, it's a good hire. I 0:43:05.218 --> 0:43:07.618 don't think i'd take a call from him. He said 0:43:07.618 --> 0:43:10.618 an nil deal through the email. Right, So if Bill, 0:43:11.298 --> 0:43:13.738 if Bill flips him or I talked about earlier Malik 0:43:13.818 --> 0:43:17.857 Murphy Lake, yeah, you can get he could make such 0:43:17.858 --> 0:43:19.857 a splash and then it all just floods in from there. 0:43:19.898 --> 0:43:21.258 And that's all fascinating to me. 0:43:22.058 --> 0:43:25.337 Okay, I I know that's fascinating to you, and I'm 0:43:25.858 --> 0:43:27.618 a piece of me is kind of happy for you 0:43:27.698 --> 0:43:29.817 because I know that this is this is like your 0:43:29.818 --> 0:43:33.178 two worlds alliding and and good for people like you 0:43:33.858 --> 0:43:37.098 that that like college football for beyond just the draft, 0:43:37.138 --> 0:43:38.817 because this is this is a this is a win 0:43:38.898 --> 0:43:40.777 for you. This is a win for you, guys. So 0:43:40.818 --> 0:43:43.018 I'm not surprised at all that this is your take 0:43:43.258 --> 0:43:43.938 on this whole shit. 0:43:44.018 --> 0:43:45.418 I bring up one more point because I see it 0:43:45.418 --> 0:43:47.817 in the chat about Bill being able to recruit. 0:43:47.658 --> 0:43:49.538 I cause I don't. But that's not what I'm doubting. 0:43:49.778 --> 0:43:51.778 Well no, but like that's not what's interesting. 0:43:51.818 --> 0:43:51.978 Thing. 0:43:52.018 --> 0:43:54.538 He's just he's Bill Belichick. You shouldn't be coaching it 0:43:54.658 --> 0:43:56.618 North Carolina, all right. 0:43:57.098 --> 0:43:58.738 Like the the thing I was gonna say is because 0:43:58.738 --> 0:44:00.418 some people are all right, well, how's he gonna resonate 0:44:00.418 --> 0:44:01.978 with these young kids at least when it comes to recruiting. 0:44:01.978 --> 0:44:03.938 It's one thing when you get him in the program. 0:44:04.138 --> 0:44:06.818 Recruiting is a lot about the parents, and the parents 0:44:07.018 --> 0:44:10.138 saw Bill win for how many years The kids, you know, 0:44:10.178 --> 0:44:13.298 maybe a little younger, but I think it's gonna be fascinating. 0:44:13.498 --> 0:44:15.658 You're the greatest coach of all time taking on a 0:44:15.698 --> 0:44:19.058 new challenge. I'm gonna be locked in. I think more 0:44:19.098 --> 0:44:20.858 people are gonna be locked in than you realize. 0:44:21.698 --> 0:44:24.857 Okay, I look, if they are, they are, I'll own 0:44:24.938 --> 0:44:26.738 up to it. In the fall off, if people are 0:44:26.778 --> 0:44:29.778 glued to their televisions on there on Saturdays to watch 0:44:30.218 --> 0:44:35.498 you know, North Carolina versus Chattanooga, I'll take it back. Okay, 0:44:35.858 --> 0:44:36.458 I'll take it back. 0:44:36.538 --> 0:44:37.777 They don't play Chattanooga's here. 0:44:37.818 --> 0:44:39.578 And I also, just like I want to be clear, 0:44:39.938 --> 0:44:42.738 like this is not a negative Bill take Like I 0:44:42.738 --> 0:44:45.098 get we're getting emails of me being negative. Like it's 0:44:45.098 --> 0:44:47.777 not anti Bill, like it's nothing. It's actually pro Bill. 0:44:47.978 --> 0:44:49.618 Like I think Bill should be in the NFL. That's 0:44:49.618 --> 0:44:52.138 where he belongs. He should have a job in the NFL. 0:44:53.138 --> 0:44:55.698 It was time here, It just was time, all right. 0:44:55.738 --> 0:44:58.138 It was twenty five years. It was a great run. 0:44:58.298 --> 0:45:01.858 But that's a long long time in the in professional 0:45:01.938 --> 0:45:04.377 sports to have the same coach. It happens a little 0:45:04.378 --> 0:45:06.578 bit more in college, right where you have these long 0:45:06.658 --> 0:45:10.698 legacy coaches, right, But in the NFL. That's a long time, 0:45:10.738 --> 0:45:13.297 and it had just sort of what's the words I'm 0:45:13.298 --> 0:45:16.338 looking for, it had run its course with the Patriots. 0:45:16.658 --> 0:45:18.698 That doesn't mean that I felt felt like he shouldn't 0:45:18.698 --> 0:45:21.418 be coaching in the league. And I'm just disappointed that 0:45:21.458 --> 0:45:23.018 we don't get to see what he would do with 0:45:23.058 --> 0:45:24.898 a different NFL program. That's it. 0:45:24.938 --> 0:45:26.378 Well, but is that on him or is that on 0:45:26.418 --> 0:45:26.858 the league? 0:45:26.898 --> 0:45:30.018 Well, that part, to me is the more fascinating conversation. 0:45:30.738 --> 0:45:33.618 Will he succeed at North Carolina? Because I think he 0:45:33.818 --> 0:45:35.698 will do a good job because he's Bill Belichick and 0:45:35.698 --> 0:45:37.338 he's pretty much done a good job everywhere. 0:45:37.538 --> 0:45:39.298 Right, So I just said, you don't think he win 0:45:39.458 --> 0:45:40.338 national championship. 0:45:40.378 --> 0:45:42.178 I don't think you can win a national championship. But 0:45:42.218 --> 0:45:43.378 that's not because you think you can get to the 0:45:43.378 --> 0:45:47.378 college Football payoff now as twelve teams Like, yeah, maybe 0:45:47.858 --> 0:45:48.418 the ACC. 0:45:48.458 --> 0:45:49.978 So he's basically just to win the ACC. I think 0:45:49.978 --> 0:45:53.698 he can win the ACC. Well, you I cannot wait 0:45:53.898 --> 0:45:56.618 to watch him hang seventy on DABO. That is going 0:45:56.938 --> 0:46:00.138 And people who like we only talk NFL here you 0:46:00.138 --> 0:46:03.498 hear me talk about Kylee Shanahaning. These guys you don't 0:46:03.538 --> 0:46:04.858 even know how I feel about Dabo. 0:46:05.138 --> 0:46:07.578 So I do think that there's a possibility to make 0:46:07.578 --> 0:46:09.618 the College Football Playoff because of what you just said. 0:46:09.698 --> 0:46:11.658 You win the ACC, it's an automatic bid, you're in. 0:46:12.178 --> 0:46:14.538 You get in, and you talk about this a lot. 0:46:14.618 --> 0:46:17.857 It's it's your best college football Take that to win 0:46:17.858 --> 0:46:20.218 a national championship in college football. So about the line? 0:46:20.378 --> 0:46:20.618 Yep? 0:46:20.898 --> 0:46:23.338 Right? Are you built big enough up front? Because the 0:46:23.378 --> 0:46:26.897 SEC teams are generally just so much bigger than every 0:46:26.898 --> 0:46:29.218 other conference. But it's usually the team that's the best 0:46:29.218 --> 0:46:31.378 at the line of scrimmage, not necessar the best quarterback 0:46:31.378 --> 0:46:34.498 that wins. You look at Michigan next year. You don't 0:46:34.498 --> 0:46:38.218 think Bill Belichick's going right to the tackle guard page 0:46:38.258 --> 0:46:40.338 and the transfer portal, going right there. 0:46:40.898 --> 0:46:44.498 Like you, you know, he's looking for sixteen guards lit. 0:46:44.658 --> 0:46:46.658 But this is my point. He so this is what 0:46:46.778 --> 0:46:49.817 was when TCU made their run. When Michigan made their run, 0:46:50.218 --> 0:46:52.738 you'll hear college football analysts talk about they have an 0:46:52.858 --> 0:46:57.178 SEC offensive line, which basically means they have the side. 0:46:57.418 --> 0:46:59.938 It's not about talent, it's about physical size. There's only 0:46:59.978 --> 0:47:02.138 so many these six five, six, six three ten pound 0:47:02.178 --> 0:47:05.218 guys that can move like this. I fully trust Bill 0:47:05.258 --> 0:47:08.378 Belichick is going to build an SEC line at North 0:47:08.418 --> 0:47:12.258 Carolina and that is going to change things because North 0:47:12.298 --> 0:47:16.857 Carolina will not have a line offense and defense. There's 0:47:16.858 --> 0:47:18.698 not gonna be another team in the ACC that has 0:47:18.738 --> 0:47:21.378 a team in the trenches like North Carolina does. And 0:47:21.418 --> 0:47:24.018 when they get to the playoff and they're playing SEC 0:47:24.058 --> 0:47:26.218 teams in Big Ten teams, I'm not gonna say'm gonna 0:47:26.218 --> 0:47:27.978 pick them out right, We'll see what happens in the portal, 0:47:28.098 --> 0:47:29.777 but they're gonna be able to compete at the line 0:47:29.778 --> 0:47:32.298 of scrimmage again, teams from those conferences. And if you 0:47:32.298 --> 0:47:35.978 can do that, I trust Bill the coach circles around 0:47:36.338 --> 0:47:37.898 anybody in college football that. 0:47:37.858 --> 0:47:39.777 I agree with you, And this is the only part 0:47:39.858 --> 0:47:42.418 of your take that I agree with that I find 0:47:42.458 --> 0:47:43.578 interesting a little bit. 0:47:43.658 --> 0:47:45.738 Yeah, is said that about like three or four things. 0:47:45.738 --> 0:47:47.618 But okay, well, no, what was the other thing I 0:47:47.658 --> 0:47:48.738 said that about. 0:47:48.978 --> 0:47:50.578 I don't remember, but I remember you said fascinating. 0:47:50.578 --> 0:47:53.178 I was like, okay, okay, well maybe that was exaggerating 0:47:53.218 --> 0:47:55.578 the point. This is the only element really that I 0:47:55.658 --> 0:47:57.817 truly care about with this whole thing in terms of 0:47:57.858 --> 0:48:01.538 like his coaching down there at North Carolina. My guess 0:48:01.618 --> 0:48:04.898 is that he's gonna pants like the entire ACC. 0:48:04.738 --> 0:48:06.858 Well not just the ACC. Let's say he gets the 0:48:06.858 --> 0:48:10.458 playoff Bill versus Kirby smart. Wait yeah see that Bill 0:48:10.538 --> 0:48:11.538 versus Lane Kiffy. 0:48:11.618 --> 0:48:15.538 Yeah, but that's where I feel as though those guys, 0:48:15.578 --> 0:48:17.938 I personally feel like have the chops to go toe 0:48:17.978 --> 0:48:21.498 to toe with Bill, Like Kirby is really good, would. 0:48:21.378 --> 0:48:23.698 Definitely awesome to and maybe Kirby's a little different because 0:48:23.698 --> 0:48:25.578 they're not Kirby's defensive coach. 0:48:25.698 --> 0:48:27.338 Yeah, Bill versus. 0:48:27.138 --> 0:48:30.418 Lane Kiffen, Bill versus Lincoln Riley. Yeah, I see like 0:48:30.698 --> 0:48:31.978 Bill verse some of these guys. 0:48:32.098 --> 0:48:34.338 Yeah, Like it's it's interesting. 0:48:34.458 --> 0:48:37.378 That doesn't that doesn't give you stand the hairs up 0:48:37.378 --> 0:48:37.777 a little bit. 0:48:37.858 --> 0:48:39.858 I told you that was the only interesting element. But 0:48:39.898 --> 0:48:41.698 at the same time, like they have to get there first, 0:48:41.738 --> 0:48:43.658 and I'm talking about North Carolina. Kirby is going to 0:48:43.738 --> 0:48:46.258 be there, Kirby's going to be at the party, and 0:48:46.298 --> 0:48:49.578 I think there are they going to get an invite? 0:48:49.698 --> 0:48:55.418 I don't know. I I the only part about it 0:48:55.458 --> 0:48:58.297 is that these and that's a different level, Like I'm 0:48:58.338 --> 0:49:02.498 just talking about like that poor coach at like Wake 0:49:02.618 --> 0:49:06.618 Forest or like at you know, uh even like like 0:49:06.858 --> 0:49:10.377 schools like Duke and NC State. Uh No, I don't 0:49:10.418 --> 0:49:12.218 know yet. I don't know yet. Like I don't know 0:49:12.218 --> 0:49:14.817 what good would. But we'll find out about Dabo, right, 0:49:14.898 --> 0:49:15.418 we'll find out. 0:49:15.618 --> 0:49:16.777 I'll give you, I'll give you a good one. 0:49:17.538 --> 0:49:17.658 Uh. 0:49:17.818 --> 0:49:21.658 Fran Brown from Syracuse and and Syracuse had that big 0:49:21.698 --> 0:49:23.098 win at the end of the year and they finished 0:49:23.098 --> 0:49:25.898 on a high note. He's considered he was actually an 0:49:25.898 --> 0:49:29.498 assistant under Dabo. He's considered one of the top up 0:49:29.538 --> 0:49:32.778 and coming coaches in college football right now. He's somebody 0:49:32.818 --> 0:49:35.377 that's been talked about, is not this year but next 0:49:35.458 --> 0:49:39.138 year being like the top name among the openings, Bill 0:49:39.258 --> 0:49:41.818 versus Fran Like, if Fran Brown wants to really be 0:49:41.898 --> 0:49:44.298 on that line, he's gonna face Bill. Syracuse plays you UNC. 0:49:45.058 --> 0:49:46.817 That's gonna be a game where we really figure out 0:49:46.818 --> 0:49:47.738 what Fran Brown's made of. 0:49:48.178 --> 0:49:53.258 Cool. I just ultimately, you have to admit, even you, 0:49:53.498 --> 0:49:57.418 even mister college football over there, you personally have to 0:49:57.458 --> 0:49:59.698 admit that it would be more interesting if he was 0:49:59.738 --> 0:50:02.538 in the NFL. It would just be more interesting. 0:50:02.658 --> 0:50:04.858 It would maybe be more interesting on a game to 0:50:04.938 --> 0:50:07.698 game level. I think the overall story of what he 0:50:07.778 --> 0:50:11.418 is in college is there's so much meat on the 0:50:11.458 --> 0:50:15.058 ball in there. It's it's so fascinating to disagree. 0:50:15.298 --> 0:50:18.777 You don't think it would be more fascinating for us 0:50:18.818 --> 0:50:22.778 to have a Bill Brady comes back with the Bucks. 0:50:22.778 --> 0:50:25.458 But for Bill, like next year the Patriots have a 0:50:25.458 --> 0:50:28.138 home game where the other coach on the other sideline 0:50:28.178 --> 0:50:28.738 is Bill Belich. 0:50:29.018 --> 0:50:30.978 One game that one game would be really interesting. 0:50:31.458 --> 0:50:34.978 But this is so unique, Bill chasing Shule in a 0:50:35.018 --> 0:50:38.058 different I like, you know. 0:50:38.018 --> 0:50:44.138 What Bill become Bill getting that that that rarefied super 0:50:44.178 --> 0:50:47.777 Bowl in national championship. Again, Carol Switchers. 0:50:47.378 --> 0:50:49.938 So out of control thinking and that's gonna happen. 0:50:50.098 --> 0:50:52.538 And think that hasn't happened in twenty years. But that's 0:50:52.658 --> 0:50:53.978 and and he would have done it. 0:50:53.978 --> 0:50:57.418 He's noting a national championship at North Carolina. His best 0:50:58.578 --> 0:51:01.578 that's crazy. His best case scenario at North Carolina is 0:51:01.618 --> 0:51:04.418 that they make the College Football Playoff and he like 0:51:04.898 --> 0:51:08.418 puts that program on a on the map. In that respect, 0:51:08.658 --> 0:51:11.578 there's no way he's winning a national champion. All right, 0:51:11.818 --> 0:51:13.738 let's take these calls and and get into some of 0:51:13.738 --> 0:51:16.818 the draft stuff. So much college football today, it's. 0:51:17.338 --> 0:51:20.058 This is it's not so you better get used to it. 0:51:20.098 --> 0:51:24.938 So it's gonna be a long three years. Buddy nooking 0:51:25.018 --> 0:51:28.778 a minute of North Carolina football program, We're not talking 0:51:28.818 --> 0:51:32.858 a minute of that. 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Alvin, you brought up 0:52:51.738 --> 0:52:52.978 I think it was the last week of the week 0:52:53.018 --> 0:52:55.897 before when you started breaking down film that Travis Hunter 0:52:56.098 --> 0:52:57.938 he felt like, was the only blue chip that you 0:52:58.018 --> 0:53:03.658 felt like Will Campbell was also worthy of taking top five. 0:53:05.058 --> 0:53:08.658 Just observing what you observed through Will Campbell on film, 0:53:09.178 --> 0:53:12.337 do you think like he's a high he can get 0:53:12.338 --> 0:53:15.058 to the level, like his ceiling is a high, like 0:53:15.098 --> 0:53:17.938 a Pro Bowl left tackle. That's my question for you 0:53:18.338 --> 0:53:20.777 and Alex. I'll pick that off there. But Alex, I 0:53:20.818 --> 0:53:22.458 got two players I want to throw at you and 0:53:22.498 --> 0:53:26.458 you tell me stutter dud Jaden Higgins from Iowa state 0:53:26.498 --> 0:53:31.618 wide receiver and Terrence Ferguson's tight end for Oregon. 0:53:31.898 --> 0:53:35.618 Okay, thanks Patti, thanks for the call on Will Campbell. 0:53:36.778 --> 0:53:39.938 This is a gonna be an ongoing debate I can 0:53:39.978 --> 0:53:43.378 tell for the next five months about Will Campbell and 0:53:43.778 --> 0:53:46.658 where he fits on the offensive line. I believe that 0:53:46.698 --> 0:53:50.498 Will Campbell is has Pro Bowl caliber traits as an 0:53:50.538 --> 0:53:53.978 offensive lineman. Where on the offensive line, whether that's on 0:53:54.018 --> 0:53:57.337 the inside or the outside. I'm still TBD on right. 0:53:57.498 --> 0:53:59.777 I need to see the measuables. I need to watch 0:53:59.778 --> 0:54:01.218 a little bit more. I need to hear a little 0:54:01.218 --> 0:54:03.618 bit more from people that I trust. But do I 0:54:03.658 --> 0:54:06.618 think that he has the blocking talent to be a 0:54:06.778 --> 0:54:10.698 Pro Bowl caliber guard or tackle? Yes, I just don't 0:54:10.738 --> 0:54:11.738 know which one he is yet. 0:54:12.378 --> 0:54:16.418 Yeah. I will come down to the our measurement, right, Yeah. Yeah, 0:54:16.498 --> 0:54:18.978 So the two guys he asked, I know I haven't 0:54:18.978 --> 0:54:21.777 done a ton on the Iowa State receiver, so sorry, 0:54:21.818 --> 0:54:23.738 I'm gonna have to TVD there. Who is the other one? 0:54:24.698 --> 0:54:27.817 I don't remember. Thought that was your job to keep 0:54:27.858 --> 0:54:28.658 track of those guys. 0:54:28.818 --> 0:54:30.418 I know it was, and I can't what was the. 0:54:30.578 --> 0:54:35.178 It's okay, it's okay. He throws two random names at 0:54:35.178 --> 0:54:37.498 you every single week, Patty email and if you can, 0:54:38.138 --> 0:54:42.618 yeah dot com because Alex base gadeted so then we 0:54:42.658 --> 0:54:43.818 can get that second name for you. 0:54:44.058 --> 0:54:47.978 Terrence Ferguson from Morgan That's who was. Yeah, he's I mean, 0:54:48.018 --> 0:54:49.498 like a lot of these type the tight ends in 0:54:49.498 --> 0:54:51.098 this class. I feel like there's kind of a type. 0:54:51.698 --> 0:54:54.458 He got a couple of touchdowns in the championship game. 0:54:54.418 --> 0:54:57.458 Right yeah, big physical tight end, not afraid to go 0:54:57.498 --> 0:55:00.538 over the middle, like like very much. You know, central casting. 0:55:00.618 --> 0:55:04.698 That kind of thing where pretty traditional if you're you know, 0:55:04.778 --> 0:55:07.418 projected to be a mid round pick early day three, 0:55:07.818 --> 0:55:11.218 if you're looking for a player to draft and develop 0:55:11.258 --> 0:55:13.098 for a year or two behind Hunter Henry, maybe he 0:55:13.138 --> 0:55:15.618 replaces Austin Hooper as a second tight end with the 0:55:15.698 --> 0:55:19.138 idea that he's eventually gonna become that primary tight end. 0:55:18.858 --> 0:55:20.498 He'd be a fit in that role certainly. 0:55:20.698 --> 0:55:23.538 Yeah, he has a lot of move skills what I 0:55:23.618 --> 0:55:25.938 see right Like, they move him around the formation a lot. 0:55:25.978 --> 0:55:29.098 He plays off the line a lot more what I 0:55:29.178 --> 0:55:31.618 saw at least a little bit more receiving tight end, 0:55:31.818 --> 0:55:36.218 I would say in that game. But Oregon's offense was fun. 0:55:36.338 --> 0:55:38.018 Watch them on film and we can get to that 0:55:38.058 --> 0:55:40.098 here in a second. A little bit about some of 0:55:40.138 --> 0:55:43.058 those guys that popped in in that championship game. But 0:55:43.338 --> 0:55:45.898 they run some some weird stuff, like they'll run like 0:55:46.178 --> 0:55:49.418 unbalanced line and like all sorts of stuff. They flipped 0:55:49.418 --> 0:55:52.578 their tackles a lot, and those unbalanced lines and the 0:55:52.618 --> 0:55:54.857 tight ends move around quite a bit too. So he's 0:55:55.178 --> 0:55:57.818 he's kind of versatile, Like he's sort of like a 0:55:57.978 --> 0:56:00.578 you know, bigger version of Jaem Bell. I would say, 0:56:00.778 --> 0:56:02.498 is how I saw him, at least the game that 0:56:02.538 --> 0:56:02.777 I want. 0:56:02.818 --> 0:56:05.258 I don't know that he's doing in the NFL, some 0:56:05.298 --> 0:56:08.338 of the formational stuff that Bell's doing. Yeah, I mean, 0:56:08.378 --> 0:56:09.978 I guess you could. You could maybe coach him up 0:56:09.978 --> 0:56:13.138 to that. He's just kind of Bell's not as tall 0:56:13.178 --> 0:56:16.098 as lower center of gravity, who was a little more agile, Ferguson, 0:56:16.938 --> 0:56:19.858 more upright, But yeah, I could see that. He also 0:56:19.898 --> 0:56:21.817 like he has the size to become a blocker, he's 0:56:21.898 --> 0:56:22.297 so big. 0:56:22.498 --> 0:56:30.538 Yeah, all right. Riley is in Phoenix. What's up? Riley? Riley? 0:56:31.218 --> 0:56:31.538 All right? 0:56:31.618 --> 0:56:33.297 Riley, give us a call back and we'll get you 0:56:33.338 --> 0:56:36.178 on the air. Uh. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up 0:56:36.178 --> 0:56:36.498 to Shawn? 0:56:40.058 --> 0:56:40.738 Getting off from work? 0:56:41.258 --> 0:56:44.178 We're good? How are you good? 0:56:44.418 --> 0:56:47.817 Good? I want? I wanted to talk about like the 0:56:47.818 --> 0:56:49.978 the strategy of trying to actually when you got to 0:56:49.978 --> 0:56:52.258 talk about the lineman. But I was thinking about, like 0:56:52.338 --> 0:56:54.618 if you guys, I think I happen to get t 0:56:54.858 --> 0:56:57.858 Mac and Hr get the free agency and the niggas 0:56:57.858 --> 0:57:02.618 pocos on the line agency trying to worry about too 0:57:02.658 --> 0:57:03.378 much in the drift. 0:57:04.418 --> 0:57:06.978 Yeah, it's a good question, DeShawn. Thanks for the call. 0:57:07.018 --> 0:57:09.378 It's a good segue for us because one of the 0:57:09.418 --> 0:57:14.258 big blocks off the free agency market went back to 0:57:14.338 --> 0:57:16.338 Denver today. I guess it is the easiest way to 0:57:16.338 --> 0:57:19.738 say it. Garrett Bowles signs an extension with the Denver Broncos. 0:57:20.018 --> 0:57:23.258 I never expected Garrett Bulls to hit unrestricted free agency. 0:57:23.658 --> 0:57:28.298 Uh still young ish, really good tackle, starting caliber tackle 0:57:28.658 --> 0:57:30.818 for Denver. You have a young quarterback then on a 0:57:30.898 --> 0:57:33.738 rookie contract, so you have the flexibility, and you also 0:57:33.858 --> 0:57:37.698 just learn from the Patriots mistakes a little bit. You 0:57:37.738 --> 0:57:40.138 don't want to put yourself in a position where you 0:57:40.178 --> 0:57:42.658 have a revolving door at left tackle with a second 0:57:42.698 --> 0:57:46.618 year quarterback in bo Nicks. So they're able to lock 0:57:46.738 --> 0:57:50.218 up Garrett Bowles, which really puts the tackle market. And 0:57:50.258 --> 0:57:52.778 I tweeted it out when it happened, this is what 0:57:52.858 --> 0:57:57.738 happens like these guys do not hit unrestricted free agency. 0:57:58.058 --> 0:58:00.858 The true premium tackles and I believe Garrett Bowles is 0:58:00.898 --> 0:58:04.618 a premium premiums doesn't necessarily mean he's top five or 0:58:04.658 --> 0:58:08.018 elite or anything like that, but he is a rock 0:58:08.058 --> 0:58:11.658 of solid sharpie him in as the starting left tackle 0:58:11.698 --> 0:58:15.178 for you in an NFL lineup. Those guys just do 0:58:15.218 --> 0:58:18.698 not hit unrestricted free agency. So the only other guys 0:58:18.818 --> 0:58:22.698 now that have a chance are Cam Robinson, who will 0:58:23.218 --> 0:58:27.298 because Minnesota has a Christian Darsol coming back off of 0:58:27.338 --> 0:58:30.098 an injury next year, so they don't need to pay 0:58:30.138 --> 0:58:32.658 a left tackle. Are they already paying a left tackle? 0:58:33.058 --> 0:58:36.418 And then Ronnie Stanley, my guess in Baltimore is gonna 0:58:36.418 --> 0:58:38.138 get franchise tagged at the least, Like I. 0:58:38.378 --> 0:58:41.018 Would be shocked if Yeah. 0:58:40.738 --> 0:58:43.338 So it does sound like Cam Robinson, who, Like I'm 0:58:43.378 --> 0:58:45.698 not trying to look down on Cam Robinson. I think 0:58:45.738 --> 0:58:49.298 Cam Robinson would be a upgrade over what the Patriots 0:58:49.298 --> 0:58:53.498 currently have. But he is a mid level starter, right Like, 0:58:53.538 --> 0:58:56.298 He's like an NFL average starter, which again is an 0:58:56.338 --> 0:59:00.018 upgrade over what they have, but it's not We've solved 0:59:00.058 --> 0:59:02.818 this position for the next ten years. Like drafting, somebody 0:59:02.978 --> 0:59:03.218 might do. 0:59:03.698 --> 0:59:07.218 Yeah, if you're gonna if you're gonna draft like a 0:59:07.218 --> 0:59:10.098 project player like Josh Simmons or maybe Josh Connery falls 0:59:10.098 --> 0:59:11.738 into that territory. I know you're high on him after 0:59:11.778 --> 0:59:15.298 watching him, like he's a good plan B, but that 0:59:15.778 --> 0:59:18.218 you know, set it and forget it left tackle, you're 0:59:18.258 --> 0:59:19.538 not getting that guy in free agency. 0:59:19.738 --> 0:59:22.658 Yeah. Cam Robinson's a solid player and he like I 0:59:22.738 --> 0:59:24.738 keep saying, you'd be better on what the Patriots have, 0:59:24.858 --> 0:59:27.058 But he's also going to be the best available tackle 0:59:27.098 --> 0:59:29.858 on the market, which means that he's gonna get paid 0:59:30.618 --> 0:59:32.458 good amount of money. Like, my guess is that you're 0:59:32.498 --> 0:59:35.698 looking at somewhere between fifteen and twenty million dollars a 0:59:35.738 --> 0:59:37.538 year to lock up Cam. 0:59:37.418 --> 0:59:40.218 Robbins's gonna get because he's the number one player at 0:59:40.218 --> 0:59:43.018 the position. He's gonna be paid like it, and you're 0:59:43.018 --> 0:59:45.378 gonna have to pay a tax for lack of talent 0:59:45.418 --> 0:59:47.538 of the position even if the dollar amount doesn't line 0:59:47.618 --> 0:59:48.338 up with the ability. 0:59:48.458 --> 0:59:51.018 Yeah, and we talk about this all the time with 0:59:51.178 --> 0:59:54.298 these guys. Is you know you always are weary of 0:59:54.458 --> 1:00:00.018 paying top of the market dollars for a average player, right, 1:00:00.058 --> 1:00:02.058 Like you don't want to be stuck in that position 1:00:02.698 --> 1:00:07.618 where you're paying premium dollar amounts for a C C 1:00:07.858 --> 1:00:11.178 plus player, like you want to play premium dollar amounts 1:00:11.218 --> 1:00:13.378 for Blue Chippers. You don't want to pay him for 1:00:13.538 --> 1:00:17.338 just starting caliber tackles in the NFL. That's the boat 1:00:17.418 --> 1:00:20.258 that Cam Robinson would fall on if they signed a 1:00:20.298 --> 1:00:22.978 guy like Cam Robinson free agency, I wouldn't kill him 1:00:23.018 --> 1:00:24.658 for it, like I'd be like, Okay, I see the 1:00:24.698 --> 1:00:27.618 path to your point. I still think you need to 1:00:28.018 --> 1:00:31.178 draft a Day two tackle that Scott's development a upside 1:00:31.258 --> 1:00:34.578 maybe on both sides, potentially right, So maybe he's your 1:00:34.618 --> 1:00:37.458 right tackle the future instead of your left. But at 1:00:37.538 --> 1:00:39.818 least he has upside to start in this league and 1:00:39.818 --> 1:00:42.538 maybe be better than Cam Robinson down the road. I 1:00:42.538 --> 1:00:45.138 don't think you can just be done. You can't no 1:00:45.298 --> 1:00:47.138 sign Cam Robinson and be done. 1:00:47.178 --> 1:00:48.458 And I'll ad this too. It to one other point, 1:00:48.498 --> 1:00:49.938 I've seen people say this, Well, you know, if you 1:00:50.018 --> 1:00:54.658 sign T Higgins and your draft Ted McMillan, No, yeah, 1:00:54.978 --> 1:00:56.618 I get it, Like, all right, we're gonna infuse the 1:00:56.618 --> 1:01:00.618 wide receiver room with talent. Old belichickism. It's not about 1:01:00.618 --> 1:01:03.098 collecting talent, it's about building a team. Yeah, tep McMillan 1:01:03.098 --> 1:01:05.498 and T Higgins too much overlap. You can't have those 1:01:05.498 --> 1:01:08.778 same guys, they play same positions. Spider Man meme, Right, 1:01:08.898 --> 1:01:10.818 So I mean, if that's what you want to do, 1:01:12.378 --> 1:01:15.018 you're signing t Higgins's he's the best option pending. We'll 1:01:15.018 --> 1:01:17.898 see how just how pissed AJ Brown is in Philly. Yeah, 1:01:17.938 --> 1:01:20.858 but you're signing t Higgins. Okay, Now we're talking about 1:01:20.898 --> 1:01:25.138 Travis Hunter or Luther Burton. Those are complimentary players. The 1:01:25.458 --> 1:01:29.098 McMillan it's you have two x's now and you're you 1:01:29.178 --> 1:01:30.498 need more speed on the field than that. 1:01:30.818 --> 1:01:35.218 Yeah, I agree. There's an email here about Ted McMillan 1:01:35.258 --> 1:01:36.618 in my take on him, So we'll get to that 1:01:36.818 --> 1:01:38.738 here in a second. But Riley's back, so let's get 1:01:38.778 --> 1:01:41.538 Riley on. What's up? Riley? 1:01:42.018 --> 1:01:46.018 Hey, fellows, how we doing good? Doing good? 1:01:46.978 --> 1:01:48.818 So a couple quick things here. 1:01:49.578 --> 1:01:52.458 So I used to be in the camp of, if 1:01:52.498 --> 1:01:55.818 the Patriots have a top five pick, that we need 1:01:55.858 --> 1:02:00.018 to trade down just to secure as many future draft 1:02:00.018 --> 1:02:04.218 picks as possible so we can replenish all the assets 1:02:04.258 --> 1:02:06.418 that we need since the laundry list is long. 1:02:07.498 --> 1:02:10.858 But as of recently, I've kind of come around to 1:02:11.338 --> 1:02:14.938 the idea of drafting Travis Hunter, just given the fact 1:02:14.938 --> 1:02:19.178 that he is the best bona fide player in the 1:02:19.338 --> 1:02:25.138 entire draft, or if not one of the best. So 1:02:25.298 --> 1:02:27.978 I just kind of wanted to get your guys' thoughts 1:02:27.978 --> 1:02:30.258 on that, if they do end up picking in the 1:02:30.258 --> 1:02:36.138 top five, would you rather select Travis Hunter or trade 1:02:36.218 --> 1:02:39.458 down and stock up and get some more draft picks. 1:02:40.218 --> 1:02:45.098 And then secondly, it was just interesting listening to Drake's 1:02:45.138 --> 1:02:49.498 press conference and I mentioned some of the receivers in 1:02:49.618 --> 1:02:54.298 Arizona and whatnot, and how Drake really stressed the urgency 1:02:54.458 --> 1:02:59.258 going into next season and with the Cardinals and the 1:02:59.258 --> 1:03:04.098 receivers that they have obviously drafting Marvin Harrison and seeing 1:03:04.218 --> 1:03:09.938 the Seattle game last week with Smith Nu Jagba, that 1:03:10.298 --> 1:03:15.018 really stresses the urgency to me as well. Obviously it's 1:03:15.018 --> 1:03:18.178 pretty glaring, but just that we need we need a guy, 1:03:18.538 --> 1:03:21.578 and Drake is the guy, so we need a guy 1:03:22.178 --> 1:03:27.058 for him to take over games to throw to. So 1:03:27.098 --> 1:03:30.898 that's it, and I'll see you guys on Sunday. 1:03:30.978 --> 1:03:33.058 Appreciated. I hope you have fun at the game if 1:03:33.058 --> 1:03:35.218 you're headed to the game on Sunday. 1:03:35.298 --> 1:03:38.858 So the Travis Hunter just named AP College Football Player 1:03:38.898 --> 1:03:40.338 of the Year so there you go. Yeah, so that's 1:03:40.338 --> 1:03:41.098 a player in the country. 1:03:41.178 --> 1:03:43.978 So to the first point with Travis, oh really not 1:03:43.978 --> 1:03:46.258 not your running back you second, Oh, you didn't get 1:03:46.298 --> 1:03:49.098 the vote though he was second. Does that usually foreshadow 1:03:49.138 --> 1:03:49.938 of the Heisman vote? 1:03:50.018 --> 1:03:50.418 Or is this? 1:03:50.698 --> 1:03:51.258 Are they not? 1:03:51.258 --> 1:03:54.498 Not exclusively? But yeah, so last year was like a 1:03:54.578 --> 1:03:56.738 rare year where it didn't Pennix won those. I'm pretty 1:03:56.738 --> 1:03:57.658 sure was Pennis that won it. 1:03:57.738 --> 1:04:05.018 Okay, huh interesting? He good? Anyways, I just say good 1:04:05.138 --> 1:04:07.098 mostly because I don't. 1:04:06.938 --> 1:04:09.058 Know Jane Daniels did with Oh, I'm thinking of the Maxwell. 1:04:09.178 --> 1:04:10.978 Jane Daniels did win this last year. Yeah, it's been 1:04:11.378 --> 1:04:15.338 Hunter Daniels, Williams, Bryce Young, Davante Smith. Yeah. So mostly yeah, 1:04:15.378 --> 1:04:17.098 mostly the Shadows, and I'm thinking of the Maxwell words. 1:04:17.138 --> 1:04:19.978 I don't I don't have a you know, a care 1:04:20.298 --> 1:04:23.938 about who wins the Heisman, But just to watch all 1:04:23.978 --> 1:04:26.458 of you sickos lose your mind that it's not Ashton 1:04:26.498 --> 1:04:29.778 Gentry is enough for me. I'm good with that. 1:04:30.618 --> 1:04:32.698 Going historic season, he wins it. He would have won 1:04:32.738 --> 1:04:35.538 them last year against Jane Daniels, you would have. 1:04:36.338 --> 1:04:38.818 No Jenden dan is an unreal year at LSU. 1:04:38.898 --> 1:04:42.498 Last year it's his What gent's done is truly historic. 1:04:42.538 --> 1:04:44.058 You're not going to act it's a running back in 1:04:44.058 --> 1:04:44.938 college football player. 1:04:45.018 --> 1:04:46.858 I'm not gonna is the Mountain West. 1:04:47.898 --> 1:04:50.258 He was doing it, and then why isn't everybody doing it? 1:04:50.658 --> 1:04:53.338 And Daniels did it in the SEC Then why isn't 1:04:53.338 --> 1:04:54.218 everybody doing it the most? 1:04:54.218 --> 1:04:55.898 Okay, well, this is not the point that we don't 1:04:55.938 --> 1:04:56.658 need to get bogged down. 1:04:56.898 --> 1:04:57.858 We're college football talk. 1:04:58.058 --> 1:04:59.938 God, this is just insufferable. 1:05:00.338 --> 1:05:00.658 Uh. 1:05:00.698 --> 1:05:04.618 Anyways to the Travis Hunter point I have. I have 1:05:04.698 --> 1:05:07.698 also come around to Travis Hunter for the Patriots because 1:05:09.178 --> 1:05:12.618 my big thesis of this entire draft is that they 1:05:12.658 --> 1:05:14.418 have to come away with the player who's worthy of 1:05:14.458 --> 1:05:17.058 the pick. Right That's that's my big thesis. And I 1:05:17.138 --> 1:05:19.618 worry a little bit in this draft about the talent 1:05:19.658 --> 1:05:22.458 at the top. I don't think everybody that we have 1:05:22.578 --> 1:05:25.898 discussed or we will discuss is necessarily a top five 1:05:25.938 --> 1:05:28.138 pick every year, right, Like, That's the biggest thing to 1:05:28.178 --> 1:05:30.098 me is that I want to make sure that the 1:05:30.138 --> 1:05:34.898 Patriot it's secure a top five player. And you're in 1:05:34.938 --> 1:05:36.898 and year out right, a guy that would be a 1:05:36.898 --> 1:05:39.058 top five player in almost every single draft. It's not 1:05:39.098 --> 1:05:41.698 always going to happen that way. I understand that. You know, 1:05:41.778 --> 1:05:45.778 last year's draft, for example, was just exceptionally loaded at 1:05:45.778 --> 1:05:48.458 the top, right, you had blue chip seven eight blue 1:05:48.498 --> 1:05:51.618 chip players. Like that doesn't happen every single year. But 1:05:51.778 --> 1:05:53.578 on the whole, I want to come away with the 1:05:53.618 --> 1:05:56.698 guy that is a top five consensus talent. Travis Hunter 1:05:56.778 --> 1:05:58.698 is really the only guy that fits that mold. I 1:05:58.698 --> 1:06:01.378 would say, I think everybody else that you spot you 1:06:01.418 --> 1:06:07.738 speak about a non quarterback category, everyone has some tepredation 1:06:07.898 --> 1:06:12.258 about the pick. Right. It's yeah, Will Campbell's not tackle build, 1:06:12.338 --> 1:06:14.418 you know, doesn't have the arm length of a typical tackle. 1:06:14.898 --> 1:06:15.018 Uh. 1:06:15.378 --> 1:06:18.738 Ted McMillan is not everybody's cup of team mine included, right, Like, 1:06:18.778 --> 1:06:23.338 that's not everybody's favorite style of receiver so to speak, 1:06:23.378 --> 1:06:25.938 or whatever. You know, guy like Mason Graham, who I 1:06:26.058 --> 1:06:28.218 watched I wanted to talk to a little talk about 1:06:28.218 --> 1:06:32.698 a little bit today. Awesome talent, but he's an interior 1:06:32.738 --> 1:06:36.418 defensive lineman, right Like, not usually a position that's considered 1:06:36.738 --> 1:06:41.378 premium level positions. So all these other guys have these 1:06:41.458 --> 1:06:47.498 types of warts in their profiles. It's pretty hard to 1:06:47.498 --> 1:06:50.258 find a war in Travis Hunter's profile, right, like maybe 1:06:50.298 --> 1:06:52.658 if it's your thing of like which side of the 1:06:52.658 --> 1:06:55.098 ball is he gonna play full time? And you know that. 1:06:55.978 --> 1:06:58.498 Navigating that whole conversation. 1:06:57.978 --> 1:06:59.898 I think there's because you know my thing. There's no 1:06:59.978 --> 1:07:03.058 such thing as a perfect prospect, ye, And there's two 1:07:03.058 --> 1:07:04.978 sides to that. It's also to say that you can 1:07:05.818 --> 1:07:08.498 say a guy has areas of improvement or weaknesses and 1:07:08.538 --> 1:07:11.858 still admit he's elite. An elite prospect to me, with Hunter, 1:07:11.978 --> 1:07:15.938 it's won the development plan and then just durability and 1:07:15.978 --> 1:07:18.058 some of that ties in with the development plan. But 1:07:18.098 --> 1:07:21.298 he's not exactly like he could probably put weight on. 1:07:21.378 --> 1:07:25.858 He's not exactly built. Yeah, that's if you're gonna play 1:07:25.898 --> 1:07:27.818 him a lot, either as your number one wide receivers, 1:07:27.858 --> 1:07:30.138 gonna be on the field a ton, or playing both ways. 1:07:30.138 --> 1:07:32.098 Like I think he probably needs to put some masks 1:07:32.178 --> 1:07:34.258 on or he's really gonna have some problems with injuries 1:07:34.258 --> 1:07:36.378 at the next level. It's doable, but you have to 1:07:36.378 --> 1:07:36.738 do it. 1:07:37.418 --> 1:07:39.138 I still think that he can play a wide receiver 1:07:39.178 --> 1:07:42.298 at a really high level. I got some flak on 1:07:42.298 --> 1:07:44.618 on the X machine yesterday about this, who said he 1:07:44.658 --> 1:07:47.858 couldn't Well, just I think some people, you mean, without 1:07:47.858 --> 1:07:49.778 putting on weight or just no, no, I just think 1:07:49.818 --> 1:07:50.858 some people if you're gonna. 1:07:50.658 --> 1:07:52.618 Send him over the middle like that, like he needs 1:07:52.618 --> 1:07:53.338 a little more questions. 1:07:53.418 --> 1:07:58.898 I think some people are of the thinking that Will Johnson, 1:07:58.898 --> 1:08:00.938 who declared yesterday, is one of the guys I wanted 1:08:00.978 --> 1:08:07.498 to talk about of his decision, which you know, a 1:08:07.578 --> 1:08:09.538 lot of people think Will Johnson is the best corner 1:08:09.538 --> 1:08:12.178 in the draft. A lot of people think that Teed 1:08:12.258 --> 1:08:14.338 McMillan is the best wide receiver in the draft. So 1:08:14.418 --> 1:08:15.858 now that those are Travis Hunter, so. 1:08:15.778 --> 1:08:17.418 Can I can I say something on that real quick? 1:08:17.458 --> 1:08:19.697 Because I tweeted earlier about McMillan and people jumped down 1:08:19.738 --> 1:08:23.858 my throat. I'm calling Tep McMillan the best receiver in 1:08:23.898 --> 1:08:25.898 the draft. I'm calling Will Johnson the best corner in 1:08:25.898 --> 1:08:28.218 the draft. Travis Hunter is the best Travis Hunter in 1:08:28.258 --> 1:08:30.938 the draft. He is his own thing. Okay, Okay, I 1:08:30.978 --> 1:08:34.497 am not classic, but but isn't that because like we 1:08:34.537 --> 1:08:36.338 don't know this. This goes to the whole thing that 1:08:36.338 --> 1:08:38.378 crawls up my ass about edge. Yeah, but this is 1:08:38.418 --> 1:08:41.697 why this is why we need it. Yeah, because all right, well, 1:08:41.778 --> 1:08:43.458 on some teams. He might be a defensive end. On 1:08:43.458 --> 1:08:45.138 some teams, he might be a linebacker. We don't know, 1:08:45.378 --> 1:08:47.537 so here's the way to rank them. Travis Hunter is 1:08:47.537 --> 1:08:50.178 my number one rank dual threat player in this draft. 1:08:50.937 --> 1:08:56.777 He's a separate conversation. You're not number one athlete. That's 1:08:56.817 --> 1:08:59.657 what this recruiting is. Yeah, good job college football there. 1:09:00.138 --> 1:09:02.458 Do you really think there's any team that's sitting there 1:09:02.937 --> 1:09:07.178 debating Travis Hunter the wide receiver, Like, Okay, we see 1:09:07.218 --> 1:09:09.178 Travis Hunter as a receiver. Yeah, and we're going to 1:09:09.258 --> 1:09:11.537 debate him versu ten Like. I don't think that's happening. 1:09:11.617 --> 1:09:14.617 It's the debate is more, do we want a player 1:09:14.777 --> 1:09:16.937 who has a defined position and we can just plug 1:09:16.978 --> 1:09:19.017 and play, or do we want this guy who's more 1:09:19.058 --> 1:09:21.857 talented but there's going to be more work on the 1:09:21.857 --> 1:09:24.378 part of the coaching staff to figure that out. That's 1:09:24.418 --> 1:09:27.258 the debate. If he is a wide receiver, he's the 1:09:27.378 --> 1:09:30.338 number one wide receiver, But we don't know if he's 1:09:30.577 --> 1:09:33.577 wide receiver because we don't know, and I don't think 1:09:33.577 --> 1:09:36.418 there is. There probably isn't a consensus among all thirty 1:09:36.418 --> 1:09:40.937 two teams. So tem McMillan wide receiver one Will Johnson 1:09:40.978 --> 1:09:43.057 corner one, and it helps that neither of those spots 1:09:43.058 --> 1:09:46.977 are debatable. Beyond Hunter, Burton's not the wide receiver one anymore. 1:09:47.378 --> 1:09:49.218 Maybe Chavone Revel would have got there if he didn't 1:09:49.218 --> 1:09:51.378 tear his acl Well, we're a few months away from 1:09:51.378 --> 1:09:54.657 getting to him. Travis Hunter is the number one Travis 1:09:54.737 --> 1:09:55.497 Hunter in the draft. 1:09:55.897 --> 1:10:00.418 That's such a hue answer. I would urge people to 1:10:01.378 --> 1:10:05.497 watch a little bit more than just casually watching college 1:10:05.497 --> 1:10:08.178 football on a college football Saturday with Travis Hunter at 1:10:08.178 --> 1:10:12.817 wide receiver. Travis Hunder at wide receiver really impressed me, 1:10:13.018 --> 1:10:16.897 like really did. His instincts and his ball skills are 1:10:16.897 --> 1:10:18.777 a lot better than I thought they would be. What 1:10:18.857 --> 1:10:21.378 I mean by instincts is just sort of feeling out 1:10:21.418 --> 1:10:24.218 coverages and soft spots and working over the middle of 1:10:24.218 --> 1:10:27.178 the field, and working with his quarterback and tandem with 1:10:27.258 --> 1:10:29.418 Shador and being able to kind of play that two 1:10:29.497 --> 1:10:31.857 man game with the two of those guys when he 1:10:31.897 --> 1:10:36.937 goes off script and off platform. Hands like excellent hands, 1:10:36.978 --> 1:10:40.657 body control, ability to finish through contact at the catch point, 1:10:40.857 --> 1:10:43.657 like all these little detailed minutias that we talk about. 1:10:43.657 --> 1:10:45.897 I think the only thing that he's sort of missing 1:10:46.258 --> 1:10:50.258 from that standpoint is like, uh, you know, real route 1:10:50.298 --> 1:10:54.258 running ability against Manton Man. Yeah, Like that's probably the 1:10:54.258 --> 1:10:56.897 next step for him, is like learning all the little 1:10:56.897 --> 1:10:59.218 tricks of the trade of how but like if you 1:10:59.258 --> 1:11:02.138 have him focusing on that position, then he'll catch on 1:11:02.218 --> 1:11:05.378 to those types of things Letticism pops and then I 1:11:05.378 --> 1:11:08.537 would just say, you know, those details, the ability to 1:11:08.577 --> 1:11:10.857 find a soft spot in his zone, the ability to 1:11:10.897 --> 1:11:13.857 work in tandem with the quarterback off script, the ability 1:11:13.897 --> 1:11:16.617 to like he has some unreal catches on his tape, 1:11:17.178 --> 1:11:19.657 like really great plays at the at the catch point. 1:11:19.857 --> 1:11:22.737 So I really came away from his film just thinking 1:11:22.777 --> 1:11:24.697 a lot more of him as a receiver than I thought, 1:11:24.697 --> 1:11:26.977 because I was of the mind as well that he 1:11:27.058 --> 1:11:29.017 was a corner, like you know, and he was a 1:11:29.018 --> 1:11:31.418 better corner, and he might still be a better corner. 1:11:31.458 --> 1:11:34.737 But then we get into the conversation of positional value 1:11:34.777 --> 1:11:36.537 and what's more important in that sort of thing. 1:11:37.178 --> 1:11:39.577 So all I had this too on Hunter. I think 1:11:39.617 --> 1:11:42.697 a lot of people who aren't big time college football fans, 1:11:43.218 --> 1:11:46.338 they watched Colorado early on last year when they kind 1:11:46.338 --> 1:11:49.777 of made that initial surge, didn't follow him down the 1:11:49.817 --> 1:11:52.137 stretch and then this year, they weren't in the national 1:11:52.178 --> 1:11:56.577 picture till very late. It's night and day last year 1:11:56.577 --> 1:11:59.338 to this year. If you're thinking of Travis Hunter the 1:11:59.378 --> 1:12:02.977 receiver last year, I understand why maybe you're not super sold. 1:12:03.098 --> 1:12:04.617 I wasn't at first. I had to go back and 1:12:04.657 --> 1:12:10.097 revisit it. His improvement at receiver from twenty twenty three 1:12:10.098 --> 1:12:12.897 to twenty twenty four is immense. So if you're basing 1:12:12.978 --> 1:12:15.418 it off of what you saw during that last year, 1:12:15.458 --> 1:12:17.697 he was just kind of running the space and Shular 1:12:17.817 --> 1:12:21.257 was throwing on the ball. He wasn't like playing receiver 1:12:21.338 --> 1:12:25.298 at a super technically high level. He added the technical 1:12:25.378 --> 1:12:27.338 part to the position this offseason. He clearly put its 1:12:27.338 --> 1:12:27.857 ton of work in. 1:12:27.897 --> 1:12:29.537 On it well, because I think he wants to play. 1:12:29.458 --> 1:12:31.298 Because I think he went right exactly because he saw 1:12:31.338 --> 1:12:34.097 it was possibility in the NFL. Probably didn't consider that before. 1:12:34.378 --> 1:12:39.458 So don't you gotta go off of that more than 1:12:39.497 --> 1:12:42.017 just that initial burst last year? Like he he got 1:12:42.018 --> 1:12:44.697 tremendously better from last year this year, and even over 1:12:44.737 --> 1:12:45.577 the course of this year. 1:12:45.657 --> 1:12:48.298 Okay, so I have a list here of things I 1:12:48.298 --> 1:12:51.057 wanted to to hit on with the draft as well. 1:12:51.058 --> 1:12:53.097 I know we already, we're gonna get one tech McMillan 1:12:53.138 --> 1:12:55.298 taken there because I have a I did research on 1:12:55.298 --> 1:12:58.298 something and so I have him on my declared list here. 1:12:58.777 --> 1:13:02.657 So let's start because I have a recency bias. Oh boy, 1:13:02.777 --> 1:13:05.537 I already we already go in recent I. 1:13:05.497 --> 1:13:06.977 Have one too. Let me tell check my notes. I 1:13:07.018 --> 1:13:07.617 think I have one too. 1:13:07.697 --> 1:13:11.258 So we're already going recency by which is fun. But 1:13:12.697 --> 1:13:15.137 I have some Let's get to like the new Zier 1:13:15.178 --> 1:13:18.138 items first. Okay, So the big one I wanted to 1:13:18.178 --> 1:13:21.937 talk about today was I got my hands on the 1:13:23.258 --> 1:13:26.178 help me here Oregon Penn State with Big ten Big Ten. 1:13:27.497 --> 1:13:29.098 I'm not even gonna knock you for not knowing the 1:13:29.098 --> 1:13:30.458 conferences at this point because. 1:13:31.058 --> 1:13:33.178 I didn't know before. I'm definitely not gonna note now. 1:13:33.458 --> 1:13:36.497 So the Big Ten championship game that was played last 1:13:36.497 --> 1:13:39.418 week in Oregon Penn State really fun game. I watched 1:13:39.458 --> 1:13:42.017 it live. We were even Jess was kind of into it. 1:13:42.058 --> 1:13:43.497 She was like, this is what the heck is going on? 1:13:43.577 --> 1:13:45.458 I was not expecting that to be a good game. Yeah, 1:13:45.458 --> 1:13:48.937 it was, especially following did you watch Texas Georgia till yes, 1:13:48.978 --> 1:13:49.418 a little bit. 1:13:49.697 --> 1:13:51.657 I didn't watch it as closely as I watched Oregon 1:13:51.737 --> 1:13:55.697 Penn State. But the two kind of big takeaways from 1:13:55.697 --> 1:13:59.537 Oregon Penn State. One, Abdul Carter is an absolute dude. 1:13:59.657 --> 1:14:01.657 Like that guy. I had him on my list of 1:14:01.657 --> 1:14:04.137 like top he was the top guy in my next tier. 1:14:04.497 --> 1:14:06.617 If the Patriots were to trade down a little bit. 1:14:07.378 --> 1:14:09.258 We talked about this when we were waiting to go 1:14:09.298 --> 1:14:12.777 out to practice today. I'm pretty close to moving him 1:14:12.817 --> 1:14:15.538 up into the S tier, Like he's. 1:14:15.817 --> 1:14:18.097 The worthy of a top five pick. You're not trading down, 1:14:18.098 --> 1:14:19.137 You're taking him on the spot. 1:14:19.258 --> 1:14:22.418 Yeah, that I'm close, And if he has a good playoff, 1:14:22.458 --> 1:14:24.537 then he's gonna definitely be in this list for me, 1:14:24.937 --> 1:14:27.137 I think the things that stand out about his game 1:14:27.497 --> 1:14:30.897 and you know this is what I mentioned to you earlier. Yeah, 1:14:30.937 --> 1:14:35.097 I'm really big on I don't tell me the number, 1:14:35.537 --> 1:14:38.418 don't tell me the position. I just want to turn 1:14:38.458 --> 1:14:40.298 on the tape and be able to point to the 1:14:40.298 --> 1:14:40.737 guy I'm. 1:14:40.617 --> 1:14:42.977 Supposed to be. You can just tell this guy's different. 1:14:43.098 --> 1:14:45.937 He is a different human being. Like he moves differently 1:14:45.978 --> 1:14:48.258 than everybody else on the field. He moves like a 1:14:48.258 --> 1:14:51.537 top ten, top five, top ten pick in an NFL draft. 1:14:52.138 --> 1:14:59.618 His explosiveness and his just twitch and athleticism is incredible. 1:14:59.657 --> 1:15:01.977 It's elite, right like he's he is shot out of 1:15:02.018 --> 1:15:04.057 a cannon. I think one of the things that stood 1:15:04.058 --> 1:15:07.097 out to me though, the most about this film against 1:15:07.178 --> 1:15:12.657 Oregon for Abdul Carter, his effort and his motor in 1:15:12.697 --> 1:15:17.577 this game were awesome, Like he he was into it 1:15:17.697 --> 1:15:19.617 right like and he was You don't know what those 1:15:19.657 --> 1:15:22.897 types of guys like. I get it. He's competing at 1:15:22.937 --> 1:15:25.977 a high stage. He should be into it. It's a 1:15:26.018 --> 1:15:29.017 box check for him. But let's face it, he's going 1:15:29.018 --> 1:15:31.258 to the NFL next year one way or another, right, 1:15:31.258 --> 1:15:33.298 and he's gonna be a top five pick, top ten 1:15:33.378 --> 1:15:36.097 pick in this draft coming up one way or another. 1:15:36.697 --> 1:15:39.217 Even though he didn't recover it. To watch him dive 1:15:39.617 --> 1:15:42.697 for that fumble, there's a lot of guys that make 1:15:42.697 --> 1:15:44.817 a business decision there and don't get on the ground 1:15:44.897 --> 1:15:45.418 for that ball. 1:15:45.577 --> 1:15:47.217 APEX competitor, Yeah, and. 1:15:47.138 --> 1:15:50.058 So I loved that aspect of that game. You know, 1:15:50.178 --> 1:15:53.057 he has the athleticism, you know that he has the 1:15:53.098 --> 1:15:57.577 big splash playability with his explosiveness and ability to get 1:15:57.617 --> 1:16:00.577 off the ball. I thought it was really cool to 1:16:00.657 --> 1:16:05.057 watch him compete in that game against Oregon, and really 1:16:05.458 --> 1:16:08.017 I thought in the second half of the game kind 1:16:08.018 --> 1:16:10.458 of took over at times in the pass rush, Like 1:16:10.458 --> 1:16:12.857 Oregon sort of got away from their drop back passing 1:16:12.857 --> 1:16:15.817 game because Abdul Carter was just wrecking the right tackle 1:16:15.937 --> 1:16:18.258 and they just had no choice, right They were like, 1:16:18.338 --> 1:16:21.378 we can't. Eleven's just gonna kill us if we drop 1:16:21.418 --> 1:16:23.777 back pass. So they started to run the ball and 1:16:23.857 --> 1:16:26.378 run screens and all the different Oregon crap that they 1:16:26.537 --> 1:16:27.258 run well, and. 1:16:27.657 --> 1:16:29.937 Penn State hurt themselves. They stopped rushing and they started 1:16:29.937 --> 1:16:30.777 playing them off the ball. 1:16:30.857 --> 1:16:32.857 Yeah, they did a little spy stuff with him and 1:16:32.937 --> 1:16:35.577 a few drops with him in coverage. I didn't mind 1:16:35.617 --> 1:16:38.218 it as much watching back as a live I was like, 1:16:38.218 --> 1:16:42.657 what are you doing? But overall, I I don't know 1:16:42.657 --> 1:16:45.298 if I'm fully ready yet to put him in that 1:16:45.617 --> 1:16:49.218 you know, stick and pick category at three. But he's 1:16:49.298 --> 1:16:52.617 really darn close for me right now. And you know 1:16:52.657 --> 1:16:56.338 the exciting part about that. You start to talk about 1:16:56.697 --> 1:17:00.418 getting that defense back built up for the Patriots next season. 1:17:00.857 --> 1:17:05.458 How about Abdul Carter, Christian Barmore, Keon White coming at 1:17:05.577 --> 1:17:09.897 NFL quarterbacks next year? Like that is a legitimate pass rush. 1:17:09.978 --> 1:17:12.178 That is a problem with a pass rush. Then you 1:17:12.178 --> 1:17:15.137 have Christian Gonzalez of course in the secondary to number 1:17:15.178 --> 1:17:18.737 cover number one receivers barring the coaching holding them back, 1:17:18.777 --> 1:17:21.378 which it has the times this year, barring the coaching 1:17:22.018 --> 1:17:25.378 holding them back. That's that's a legitimate core in a 1:17:25.418 --> 1:17:27.777 young core at that as well. On the defense side 1:17:27.777 --> 1:17:29.617 of the ball. It's an exciting group if that's what 1:17:29.697 --> 1:17:30.098 you go with. 1:17:30.258 --> 1:17:33.458 Yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's a ton of potential. 1:17:33.537 --> 1:17:34.497 There's a ton of upside there. 1:17:34.577 --> 1:17:36.378 Yeah. And he's one of those guys too. You you 1:17:36.418 --> 1:17:38.258 mentioned him playing a little bit off the ball. He 1:17:38.338 --> 1:17:40.418 did that earlier on in his career at Penn State. 1:17:40.697 --> 1:17:43.298 He can also rush in line, like over the guard 1:17:43.338 --> 1:17:46.057 and over the center. He can stunt like you can 1:17:46.378 --> 1:17:48.937 loop him around and stuff like that. On stunts like 1:17:48.978 --> 1:17:50.697 there's just a lot of different things that you can 1:17:50.737 --> 1:17:53.098 do with an explosive player like that. You know, we 1:17:53.138 --> 1:17:55.057 were trying to come up with a comp for him. 1:17:55.298 --> 1:17:57.778 I think it's unfair to compare guys to Micah Parsons, 1:17:57.817 --> 1:18:01.577 Like I wouldn't put anybody in Micah Parsons's category, But 1:18:01.737 --> 1:18:04.217 he does worry number eleven. He does go to Penn State. 1:18:04.657 --> 1:18:08.058 He is a screamer. Like there's a lot of you know, 1:18:08.298 --> 1:18:11.418 maybe Michaeh Parsons light just to be polite to Abdul 1:18:11.458 --> 1:18:15.537 Carter and Michaeh Parsons, but exciting player. The other guy 1:18:15.577 --> 1:18:18.897 that you know is the focus when I was watching, 1:18:19.298 --> 1:18:22.537 of course, was Josh connerly the left tackle for Oregon. 1:18:23.058 --> 1:18:26.137 So a couple of things that stand out about him. 1:18:26.537 --> 1:18:29.577 First of all, I've been big on this true junior. 1:18:30.458 --> 1:18:32.057 He's only twenty, he's gonna be twenty one years. 1:18:32.338 --> 1:18:34.258 All these guys are. It's a weird thing with his 1:18:34.298 --> 1:18:36.338 class pretty much. All these guys are true juniors. And 1:18:36.378 --> 1:18:38.577 just to piggyback off of that because I love this 1:18:38.697 --> 1:18:42.697 element of it. So Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks also true juniors. Yeah, 1:18:42.937 --> 1:18:47.258 the number one offensive line recruit in that class, not 1:18:47.338 --> 1:18:50.458 Will Campbell, not Kelvin Banks, was Josh Connery. Yeah, Banks, 1:18:51.058 --> 1:18:54.017 Campbelon Banks jumped in because they started all three years. 1:18:54.018 --> 1:18:56.737 They started as true freshman. Connory was buried in Oregon, 1:18:57.018 --> 1:18:58.617 I think either as one and a half or two 1:18:58.617 --> 1:19:01.697 full years as a starter. But we know that Bill 1:19:01.737 --> 1:19:03.218 would do this right, go back and look at the 1:19:03.258 --> 1:19:05.897 high school rankings and maybe did something get lost in 1:19:05.937 --> 1:19:07.977 the wash at the college level that we can top 1:19:08.138 --> 1:19:10.937 out on. Three years ago, Josh Connery was considered the 1:19:10.937 --> 1:19:12.097 best of these three players. 1:19:12.178 --> 1:19:17.258 So he's clearly got in my mind, and not top 1:19:17.298 --> 1:19:20.178 half of the first round, but first round athleticism. Like 1:19:20.178 --> 1:19:24.258 he's got first round physical tools to his game, springy 1:19:24.338 --> 1:19:26.697 right out of his stance, can mirror the edge, did 1:19:26.697 --> 1:19:31.097 a really nice job on multiple reps running Abdul Carter 1:19:31.178 --> 1:19:33.418 pass the quarterback, Like, he can get to those spots 1:19:33.418 --> 1:19:35.817 and he can push guys past the QB and he 1:19:35.857 --> 1:19:39.497 can pass protect on an island. He's an athletic guy, 1:19:40.138 --> 1:19:42.697 so he can reach and he can move in the 1:19:42.777 --> 1:19:45.857 run game, have a couple of really good poles and 1:19:45.937 --> 1:19:49.777 climbs and reaches an outside zone and like all that 1:19:49.897 --> 1:19:53.458 good stuff. So when you start to talk about assuming 1:19:53.497 --> 1:19:56.697 it's Alex van Pelt, assuming it's Scott Peters, you know, 1:19:56.777 --> 1:19:59.697 back here again next year for the Patriots. He fits 1:19:59.737 --> 1:20:03.378 the mold of like a zone blocking left tackle right, 1:20:03.418 --> 1:20:05.777 Like you have an athletic guy that can move at 1:20:05.777 --> 1:20:08.458 the position, that can pin pole and that can crack 1:20:08.577 --> 1:20:12.097 toss and that can outside zone, that can pass protect 1:20:12.577 --> 1:20:15.897 on an island, that left tackle. He fits the mold. Now, 1:20:16.978 --> 1:20:18.617 some of the things that I saw in his game, 1:20:19.218 --> 1:20:21.777 there are some holes, Like there's gonna be some you know. 1:20:21.817 --> 1:20:23.817 It's kind of like a swing in baseball where you 1:20:23.897 --> 1:20:25.817 have like one part of your swing that just has 1:20:25.817 --> 1:20:27.857 a hole in it, right, Like he has that with 1:20:27.937 --> 1:20:31.178 his past sets where he'll open the the inside a 1:20:31.218 --> 1:20:33.537 little bit too much much in play with a soft 1:20:33.537 --> 1:20:36.497 inside shoulder. He's gonna have to clean that up, you know, 1:20:36.617 --> 1:20:40.178 not over set and get himself extended to the outside. 1:20:40.298 --> 1:20:42.137 You know, ab Dual Carter beat him a few times 1:20:42.138 --> 1:20:45.497 by going back inside, right, he would set to the outside, 1:20:45.697 --> 1:20:47.777 he'd get to the apex of the rush, and then 1:20:48.338 --> 1:20:50.258 Dual Carter would hit him with you know, like a 1:20:50.298 --> 1:20:52.817 swim or a little stab or something and get back 1:20:52.857 --> 1:20:55.577 to the inside. He's gonna have to clean that up 1:20:55.617 --> 1:20:58.338 a little bit. He's not the biggest people mover, Like 1:20:58.497 --> 1:21:03.218 this is not a downhill run blocking tackle. But if 1:21:03.258 --> 1:21:07.497 you're gonna be a stretch, you know, outside zone type 1:21:07.497 --> 1:21:10.137 of run game and you want somebody that can pass 1:21:10.138 --> 1:21:12.737 protect and protect the edge, he fits the bill. He 1:21:12.777 --> 1:21:13.418 fits the mold. 1:21:14.018 --> 1:21:16.817 Yeah, Yeah, and I think he's the guy. Again. He 1:21:16.857 --> 1:21:19.617 has less experience, so that's why he's not there with 1:21:19.657 --> 1:21:23.218 campbellon Banks, but projected second round right now. I don't 1:21:23.218 --> 1:21:27.138 know that that stays. But that guy we talked about 1:21:27.657 --> 1:21:30.897 Josh Simmons last week, I think he's that guy. People 1:21:30.897 --> 1:21:33.897 want Josh Simmons to be. Where you can take Travis Hunter, 1:21:33.937 --> 1:21:35.977 Teed McMillan, Abdul Carter at the top of the draft 1:21:35.978 --> 1:21:39.657 and still get your potential franchise tackle. It's more second 1:21:39.697 --> 1:21:41.977 pick than second round. You're probably gonna have to move up. 1:21:42.018 --> 1:21:43.697 Can you move up into the twenties and take him? 1:21:43.817 --> 1:21:46.058 It's kind of moved they should consider making agree. But 1:21:46.218 --> 1:21:49.057 he has legitimate franchise tackle upside, He's not as polished 1:21:49.098 --> 1:21:51.178 as the other two. He's what I call a year 1:21:51.218 --> 1:21:53.617 one starter, maybe more than a day one starter. But 1:21:54.258 --> 1:21:56.817 I mean, if they we were talking earlier about Cam Robinson, 1:21:56.857 --> 1:21:58.458 you come out with Cam Robinson on a one year 1:21:58.497 --> 1:22:01.857 deal and Josh Connolly with your second pick, I would 1:22:01.897 --> 1:22:03.937 say that they've properly addressed the tackle position. 1:22:04.098 --> 1:22:08.577 Yeah, I agree, he's the guy that look and I 1:22:08.657 --> 1:22:10.378 want to see him in the playoff and like, let's 1:22:10.378 --> 1:22:12.338 see some more tape. I've only watched one game. I 1:22:12.378 --> 1:22:14.577 have the Ohio State game loaded for the plane, so 1:22:14.777 --> 1:22:15.817 we'll watch that one too. 1:22:15.937 --> 1:22:18.817 But then Oregon's in that that murderer's row of the 1:22:18.857 --> 1:22:22.698 bracket where he's either gonna get James Pearce or Jack Sawyer. 1:22:22.497 --> 1:22:24.897 In the first row, right, So he's already played Ohio 1:22:24.897 --> 1:22:27.657 State right once before earlier this year. So I'm gonna 1:22:27.657 --> 1:22:30.258 watch that on the plane on Friday to Arizona, so I'll. 1:22:30.537 --> 1:22:32.178 So he'll do that, and then he'll either get in 1:22:32.178 --> 1:22:34.137 the first round playoff, either get a Hio State again 1:22:34.617 --> 1:22:37.577 or Tennessee, which James Pearce is another first round edge rushing. Yeah, 1:22:37.577 --> 1:22:39.937 so'd be good to see because he's gonna get some quality, 1:22:40.018 --> 1:22:40.697 quality reps here. 1:22:40.817 --> 1:22:42.458 Yeah, it'd be good to see because the one thing 1:22:42.497 --> 1:22:44.537 that I worry about with him a little bit is 1:22:44.737 --> 1:22:47.338 his play strength and his anchor, Like I think he 1:22:47.378 --> 1:22:50.337 can get pushed around at times, but at the same time. 1:22:50.338 --> 1:22:52.178 Pierce isn't the guy to judgem against because Pierce is 1:22:52.178 --> 1:22:52.418 a fan. 1:22:52.777 --> 1:22:55.098 Yeah, So like that was like sort of as the 1:22:55.098 --> 1:22:57.258 game were on, And I love the chess match between 1:22:57.258 --> 1:23:00.057 a good pass rusher and a tackle because like Abdul 1:23:00.098 --> 1:23:02.298 Carter kept on trying to beat him around the edge, 1:23:02.497 --> 1:23:04.857 and you're not gonna beat Josh Connerly around the edge, 1:23:04.857 --> 1:23:07.178 like he's got too much athleticism and he's too quick 1:23:07.218 --> 1:23:10.017 on his feet. It's gonna be really hard to do that. 1:23:10.138 --> 1:23:12.257 But as the game we're on, all of a sudden, 1:23:12.298 --> 1:23:15.137 Abdul Carter was like, oh, well, if I go really 1:23:15.178 --> 1:23:18.017 hard for three steps out, then he's going to open 1:23:18.058 --> 1:23:20.378 the inside and I can swim back into the inside. 1:23:20.537 --> 1:23:22.697 So that was sort of that, you know, we'll see 1:23:22.697 --> 1:23:24.897 what a guy like James Pierce like if he opens 1:23:24.978 --> 1:23:27.057 up again, right, Like, does he get himself opened up 1:23:27.178 --> 1:23:29.737 and over commit to the outside rush, then he'll give 1:23:29.817 --> 1:23:30.418 up the inside. 1:23:30.817 --> 1:23:32.178 Was that your recency bias guy? 1:23:32.258 --> 1:23:34.937 No, it wasn't, okay, But I was impressed with the 1:23:34.978 --> 1:23:36.977 game that I watched. Now a lot of people would 1:23:37.018 --> 1:23:39.418 tell you that the Big Ten Championship game was his 1:23:39.418 --> 1:23:41.857 best game of the year, So I'll have to watch 1:23:41.857 --> 1:23:42.577 some more with him. 1:23:42.817 --> 1:23:45.218 You know where a ceiling is, though, and that's. 1:23:45.178 --> 1:23:47.218 Yeah, you know where his ceiling is. And I would 1:23:47.258 --> 1:23:50.338 also just say, as much as you know, I don't 1:23:50.418 --> 1:23:54.657 necessarily wholly agree with this take if you want to 1:23:54.657 --> 1:23:59.738 start building, you know, mock drafts or go through scenarios 1:24:00.058 --> 1:24:02.258 where they still can pick. You know, the three guys 1:24:02.298 --> 1:24:06.098 that you mentioned, Hunter, McMillan, Carter at the top of 1:24:06.138 --> 1:24:08.817 the draft and then still get a tackle with real 1:24:08.897 --> 1:24:12.298 premium starter upside. Then Connerly I think fits that. Bill. 1:24:12.577 --> 1:24:15.338 He might be that guy at thirty four in this draft. 1:24:15.537 --> 1:24:17.098 I don't think he's falling that far. But do you 1:24:17.138 --> 1:24:20.297 move thirty four, maybe that third you got for Judah 1:24:20.897 --> 1:24:23.818 and a future pick get up to the twenties. Yeah, 1:24:23.937 --> 1:24:28.737 and that's I second round pick in second pick, need 1:24:28.817 --> 1:24:34.017 to they're not anonymous for this team. There's real arguments 1:24:34.098 --> 1:24:35.857 we made their second pick should be in the first round. 1:24:36.218 --> 1:24:37.497 Yeah, that's fair. 1:24:37.577 --> 1:24:39.537 And if so, Connorly is the exact kind of guy. 1:24:39.617 --> 1:24:41.777 Okay, So a few more guys that declared, and then 1:24:41.817 --> 1:24:45.138 we'll get to recency byas Mason Graham declared. And I 1:24:45.178 --> 1:24:48.617 don't think anybody's surprised by that. So what I saw 1:24:48.657 --> 1:24:50.897 with Mason Graham throw on his table real quick. 1:24:50.897 --> 1:24:52.897 Sorry, cutch Off. Yeah, none of these guys have None 1:24:52.937 --> 1:24:56.218 of these have been surprises. There's one guy every year 1:24:56.338 --> 1:24:58.137 was Fashan who a couple of years ago. Remember, Yeah, 1:24:58.138 --> 1:25:00.017 that is like a top fifteen pick that, for one 1:25:00.018 --> 1:25:02.657 reason or the other goes back to school still waiting 1:25:02.697 --> 1:25:03.937 to see who that is because we haven't had that 1:25:03.978 --> 1:25:06.097 surprise yet this year. Yes, class can't afford it. 1:25:06.378 --> 1:25:10.378 Yeah, So Mason Graham. I made this comparison when I 1:25:10.418 --> 1:25:13.178 was texting you about him. I see a lot of 1:25:13.218 --> 1:25:16.218 Brandon Fiskey with the Rams and Mason Graham maybe like 1:25:16.218 --> 1:25:21.617 a more complete pro style defensive tackle, maybe a little 1:25:21.657 --> 1:25:24.577 bit better against the run. But Brandon Fiskey has had 1:25:24.617 --> 1:25:27.058 an awesome year for the Rams, and you see a 1:25:27.098 --> 1:25:30.857 lot of the same traits with Mason Graham. Just really 1:25:30.978 --> 1:25:34.097 quick into his gaps, you know, shot out of cannon 1:25:34.138 --> 1:25:39.017 off the ball, explosive, high motor, a bunch of different 1:25:39.018 --> 1:25:41.097 pass rush moves that he can use in his arsenal. 1:25:41.098 --> 1:25:42.817 His arm over is his best, but he has a 1:25:42.817 --> 1:25:45.857 couple of different ones. A really good push poll too, 1:25:45.857 --> 1:25:48.777 which is a nice compliment to the arm over. He's 1:25:48.777 --> 1:25:52.697 got some stuff in his toolbox and uh, and you 1:25:52.737 --> 1:25:57.177 see these combinations of things that he has. I would say, 1:25:57.537 --> 1:25:59.338 is that your fourth water of this show? 1:25:59.577 --> 1:26:02.218 I'm well, one of them is like frozen, so there's 1:26:02.258 --> 1:26:04.058 still a bunch in there, but it doesn't help me. 1:26:04.138 --> 1:26:11.418 But yeah, uh, My thing with Mason Graham is that 1:26:12.338 --> 1:26:15.178 in the NFL, I think he's a three technique through 1:26:15.218 --> 1:26:17.617 and through, Like I don't think that this is I 1:26:17.737 --> 1:26:19.617 was hoping that maybe he was gonna be a little 1:26:19.617 --> 1:26:22.697 bit stouter to play him over the tax Yeah, so 1:26:22.777 --> 1:26:27.418 you could play him in Barmore together more regularly. To me, 1:26:28.817 --> 1:26:33.138 I'm just not necessarily seeing the great fit because you're 1:26:33.138 --> 1:26:36.138 gonna also have to have Keon White rush on the 1:26:36.138 --> 1:26:39.218 interior on third downs two, So like now you're talking 1:26:39.218 --> 1:26:44.537 about getting three true interior guys all on the field 1:26:44.577 --> 1:26:47.017 at the same time, and I don't know if there's 1:26:47.058 --> 1:26:50.258 a path to that necessarily for the Patriots. I didn't 1:26:50.338 --> 1:26:54.378 love some of Mason Graham his run defense tape. I 1:26:54.378 --> 1:26:56.258 think he plays with high pads. I think he gets 1:26:56.258 --> 1:26:59.418 moved off the ball a little bit too much. So 1:26:59.497 --> 1:27:01.817 the further away that you move him away from the ball, 1:27:02.537 --> 1:27:04.697 the harder it's gonna be for him to just penetrate 1:27:04.737 --> 1:27:07.218 and make plays in the backfield. So he's got a 1:27:07.258 --> 1:27:09.778 play of like I would say as a three technique, 1:27:09.777 --> 1:27:13.537 pure three technique in between the guard, in the in 1:27:13.577 --> 1:27:17.458 the tackle, like that's his natural position. So you start 1:27:17.497 --> 1:27:20.617 talking about how does the puzzle pieces fit together, It's 1:27:20.617 --> 1:27:23.617 a little bit about like Ted McMillan and T Higgins, right, like, 1:27:23.697 --> 1:27:27.697 how do the puzzle pieces fit together? Really really high 1:27:27.817 --> 1:27:30.057 end talent. I just don't necessarily know if it makes 1:27:30.058 --> 1:27:31.418 a lot of sense for the Patriots. 1:27:31.937 --> 1:27:34.697 Yeah, same thing I said last week. If that's the 1:27:34.777 --> 1:27:38.218 kind of player you want, and not that high of 1:27:38.258 --> 1:27:40.817 an investment on that guy, trade down, take Dean Walker. 1:27:41.058 --> 1:27:43.937 Add more, you can't burn that pick on a player 1:27:43.978 --> 1:27:47.657 that Look, they need blue chip talent, and he's blue 1:27:47.697 --> 1:27:50.057 chip talent. But Christian Barmore is one of the few 1:27:50.058 --> 1:27:53.697 blue chip players you have. You don't I talk about 1:27:53.737 --> 1:27:56.057 upgrades in additions when we come to the draft, where 1:27:56.378 --> 1:27:58.577 an upgrade is a better version of a player you 1:27:58.657 --> 1:28:00.577 already have. And I don't even think Graham's an upgrade. 1:28:00.737 --> 1:28:04.057 But they need additions. They need guys that bring things 1:28:04.058 --> 1:28:06.577 they don't have. Graham's a really good player, and they 1:28:06.617 --> 1:28:08.697 need good players, but they happen to have a guy 1:28:08.697 --> 1:28:10.057 that does what he does at a high level. 1:28:10.138 --> 1:28:12.058 You basically would have three guys that all want to 1:28:12.098 --> 1:28:14.138 rush on the guards, right, and you can only have 1:28:14.178 --> 1:28:16.737 two guys that rush on the guard on any given play, right, 1:28:16.817 --> 1:28:19.497 So at that point, trying to find that that usually 1:28:19.537 --> 1:28:22.657 would mean someone's playing at a position or not to 1:28:22.737 --> 1:28:25.897 their strength. Right, So you're trying to find the pieces. 1:28:25.937 --> 1:28:30.737 Whereas like a guy like Abdul Carter clearly an edge rusher, right, then. 1:28:30.978 --> 1:28:32.458 He's your Matthew jud Yeah. 1:28:32.537 --> 1:28:34.977 Right, you can see how those puzzle pieces fit together. 1:28:35.458 --> 1:28:37.977 The other guy that declared who I feel similarly about, 1:28:37.978 --> 1:28:40.298 but also one of these you know, blue chip town 1:28:40.497 --> 1:28:42.657 Will Johnson, who we talked a little bit about earlier. 1:28:43.098 --> 1:28:45.977 He declared out of Michigan as well. What I do 1:28:46.138 --> 1:28:48.977 like about Will Johnson goes back to my true junior thing. 1:28:49.617 --> 1:28:51.378 We all knew Will Johnson was going to be a 1:28:51.378 --> 1:28:54.098 top ten pick in this draft last year after the 1:28:54.178 --> 1:28:57.218 National Championship Game, right, Like he was already there. This 1:28:57.378 --> 1:28:59.378 was like a bonus year for him in college just 1:28:59.418 --> 1:29:02.378 because he had to get to the minimum requirement to 1:29:02.418 --> 1:29:05.298 be eligible for the NFL. So I don't really put 1:29:05.298 --> 1:29:07.737 a whole lot of stock in his tape or I 1:29:07.777 --> 1:29:10.657 know he had some like injuries and some issues this year. 1:29:10.737 --> 1:29:13.258 He got hurt six games in and then there were 1:29:13.298 --> 1:29:15.258 some questions about like was he doing the most he 1:29:15.298 --> 1:29:15.977 could get back? 1:29:16.058 --> 1:29:18.617 He might have shut down. Yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily 1:29:18.697 --> 1:29:21.138 knock guys for that. I know some people do. I 1:29:21.178 --> 1:29:23.977 know it's not some people's cup of teacas. They want 1:29:23.978 --> 1:29:26.817 competitors and all that kind of stuff. I don't necessarily 1:29:26.897 --> 1:29:29.418 not guys for that as much. You know. I'll give 1:29:29.418 --> 1:29:31.777 you a great example of the Jamar Chase. 1:29:31.857 --> 1:29:33.737 Jamar Chase is the one everybody goes back to. 1:29:33.937 --> 1:29:37.017 Jamar Chase said the exact same thing. It hasn't done anything. 1:29:37.018 --> 1:29:38.697 Well, no, he literally just sat out the year. 1:29:38.817 --> 1:29:41.817 Yeah, and uh he he did pretty good in the NFL. 1:29:42.058 --> 1:29:44.937 Leonard Fournette like a little bit, remember like he goes 1:29:44.978 --> 1:29:45.978 back to LSU. 1:29:45.737 --> 1:29:47.937 For that last yearn Marvin Harrison, there were some question 1:29:48.058 --> 1:29:50.258 well not games, but like he didn't even do the 1:29:50.298 --> 1:29:52.577 pro day. Yeah, we've heard of guys sitting out the combine, 1:29:52.577 --> 1:29:54.657 but didn't he sit out his pro day? There was 1:29:54.697 --> 1:29:57.338 something weird where like he wasn't doing things that everybody 1:29:57.338 --> 1:29:57.817 else was doing. 1:29:57.978 --> 1:30:00.218 So needless to say, I don't put a ton of 1:30:00.218 --> 1:30:03.817 stock in that kind of stuff. But Will Johnson, just 1:30:03.817 --> 1:30:05.737 what are your thoughts on him as a prospect. 1:30:06.098 --> 1:30:10.057 Really good man corner, like he is a Bill Belichick corner. 1:30:10.098 --> 1:30:12.577 He's got the length, he's got the mirroring skills, he's 1:30:12.617 --> 1:30:16.977 got the instincts. He's not an elite, elite athlete, but 1:30:17.138 --> 1:30:20.617 he's like Gonzales. He's not quite the athlete Gonzalez is, 1:30:20.657 --> 1:30:23.898 for instance, but I think he's more polished than Gonzalez 1:30:23.978 --> 1:30:28.338 was coming out. Just technically, he's amazing technically and for 1:30:28.378 --> 1:30:31.737 a team like the Patriots, Okay, Gonzalez, who's the athlete? 1:30:32.138 --> 1:30:33.977 So how many times are you going to face two 1:30:33.978 --> 1:30:38.097 teams with two receivers? Right? So him and Gonzales within 1:30:38.178 --> 1:30:40.497 two years would probably be top three, if not the 1:30:40.537 --> 1:30:43.057 best corner to tandem in the league. And it's different 1:30:43.098 --> 1:30:45.497 than Mason Graham. People hear me say this, right, Oh, 1:30:45.577 --> 1:30:48.178 you just said they shouldn't draft Mason Graham. This overlap. Well, 1:30:48.218 --> 1:30:50.338 you can put two corners, two boundary corners on the 1:30:50.338 --> 1:30:52.497 field at the same time. It's harder with you know, 1:30:52.617 --> 1:30:55.537 rushing rushing up the middle. So if that's the route 1:30:55.537 --> 1:30:57.857 the Patriots want to go, I'd understand it. I'd probably 1:30:57.978 --> 1:31:00.777 rather trade down spread the wealth. This is not a 1:31:00.817 --> 1:31:04.218 great cornerback draft if that's where they want to make 1:31:04.258 --> 1:31:07.857 a premium edition. So I'll I mentioned this name earlier 1:31:08.617 --> 1:31:10.977 just to kind of put the bow on it. Chevon Revel, 1:31:11.018 --> 1:31:13.418 who I'm gonna guess you haven't done any work on. 1:31:13.777 --> 1:31:15.338 I don't know if you're familiar with him. So there's 1:31:15.338 --> 1:31:17.977 only one other corner projected to go in the first 1:31:18.018 --> 1:31:20.897 round this year, or at least it you know, was 1:31:20.937 --> 1:31:23.777 projected going in the first round, Jeavon Revel from ECU, 1:31:23.937 --> 1:31:27.697 and he tore his ACL midway through the season, so 1:31:27.697 --> 1:31:30.218 we'll see what happens with him. Benjamin Morrison from Notre 1:31:30.258 --> 1:31:31.897 Dame has kind of been in the conversation as well 1:31:31.937 --> 1:31:32.458 as well, But. 1:31:32.418 --> 1:31:33.737 Like, this draft stinks. 1:31:33.857 --> 1:31:36.057 If you want a blue chip corner, yeah it's Will 1:31:36.138 --> 1:31:39.138 Johnson or again, Travis Hunter is his own thing, the 1:31:39.218 --> 1:31:41.338 number one Travis Hunter in the draft. But if you 1:31:41.378 --> 1:31:43.898 want that guy to pair full time with Christian Gonzales, 1:31:44.098 --> 1:31:45.977 it's probably Will Johnson. Do you want to do that 1:31:46.258 --> 1:31:47.338 or would you rather spread it? 1:31:47.378 --> 1:31:50.178 Well, yeah, I'm not really super high on doing that. 1:31:50.218 --> 1:31:52.458 I think it's more of like a philosophical thing where 1:31:52.458 --> 1:31:55.458 I feel like, if they build a pass rush then 1:31:55.577 --> 1:31:57.537 I think their corners are good enough that they can 1:31:57.537 --> 1:31:59.937 cover on the back end. Right now, I say the 1:31:59.978 --> 1:32:02.658 biggest problem with the Patriots defense is not their cornerbacks. 1:32:02.657 --> 1:32:05.258 It's their coverage or their pass rush. To excuse me, 1:32:05.777 --> 1:32:08.137 So I would look at that, you know, the Patriots 1:32:08.218 --> 1:32:12.258 right now, just analytically. I believe there. It fluctuates every week. 1:32:12.338 --> 1:32:14.338 I think it's twenty seventh right now in the league 1:32:14.338 --> 1:32:16.418 in pressure rate. Like that to me is the number 1:32:16.418 --> 1:32:18.497 one issue with this pass defense. It's that they can't 1:32:18.497 --> 1:32:20.697 get to the quarterback. I don't think that their corners 1:32:21.058 --> 1:32:24.458 have been terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Now 1:32:24.497 --> 1:32:27.418 do they need that what we always talk about, that 1:32:27.537 --> 1:32:30.458 big outside guy right that can play the boundary against 1:32:30.537 --> 1:32:34.657 bigger receivers opposite Gonzales, Yeah, they do. But I wonder 1:32:34.697 --> 1:32:36.657 if that's Alex Austin a little bit. I wonder if 1:32:36.657 --> 1:32:37.418 that's a free agency. 1:32:37.378 --> 1:32:39.537 I think that's more a free agency. We talked about 1:32:39.537 --> 1:32:40.137 Carlton Davis. 1:32:40.218 --> 1:32:43.737 Yeah, like Carlton Davis or you know, any one of 1:32:43.777 --> 1:32:45.218 these guys that are going to be you know, there 1:32:45.218 --> 1:32:46.977 are a couple I'm not banking on some of their 1:32:47.058 --> 1:32:49.058 names right now. Yeah, I know DJ Moore is like 1:32:49.098 --> 1:32:52.497 the other wise or not DJ Reid, but he's he's 1:32:52.617 --> 1:32:54.937 kind of like a Jonathan Jones replacement more than he 1:32:54.978 --> 1:32:58.138 would be, you know, that kind of guy. But I 1:32:58.178 --> 1:33:00.977 look at free agency and I wonder if you can 1:33:01.018 --> 1:33:03.737 get even just like you know, I keep I always 1:33:03.737 --> 1:33:06.537 think of the Bills getting Rasoul Douglas. He's just a 1:33:06.617 --> 1:33:11.298 really solid NFL cornerback, right. He's not he's not Christian Gonzalez, right, 1:33:11.378 --> 1:33:14.338 but he's just a really solid NFL cornerback. Like I 1:33:14.338 --> 1:33:17.418 would almost rather go that direction and free agency and 1:33:17.458 --> 1:33:20.057 maybe pay ten twelve million for a corner that can 1:33:20.138 --> 1:33:22.537 just come in and play that spot, then draft somebody 1:33:22.577 --> 1:33:26.178 like Will Johnson. He's really technically sound, really smooth. What 1:33:26.258 --> 1:33:28.937 I love about Will Johnson is there's zero panic to 1:33:29.018 --> 1:33:33.538 his game, no which when you see patient, calm corners, 1:33:33.857 --> 1:33:35.737 you know that they just trust their God. 1:33:35.978 --> 1:33:39.017 Let me this way, Bill was still here, that's the pick. 1:33:39.458 --> 1:33:41.617 It'd be at the top of their board. 1:33:42.617 --> 1:33:46.577 I will on Revel real quick. I'm watch him at 1:33:46.617 --> 1:33:51.737 some point. So you and Ecu Corner going in the 1:33:51.737 --> 1:33:53.577 first round, it's like, what's going on? Well, Toledo Corner 1:33:53.617 --> 1:33:56.297 went in the first, right, but he was special. Yeah, 1:33:56.338 --> 1:34:00.977 so Reveel also Qui Quin Mitchell had multiple years. Sean 1:34:01.058 --> 1:34:03.418 Revel really only has one full year of tape. Let's 1:34:03.418 --> 1:34:06.817 say he falls a little bit, they have those two 1:34:06.897 --> 1:34:10.097 third round picks, Like, if he really falls, I wouldn't 1:34:10.098 --> 1:34:12.057 mind them taking a shot on him at day two, 1:34:12.098 --> 1:34:13.218 Like that would be an interesting pick. 1:34:13.258 --> 1:34:15.057 Doubt to me, it would be. If we're gonna draft 1:34:15.058 --> 1:34:17.458 corner draft, that's where I would do it. Third or 1:34:17.458 --> 1:34:20.857 fourth round draft the trades guy, right draft, a longer 1:34:20.937 --> 1:34:21.497 trades guy. 1:34:21.657 --> 1:34:23.898 He's like six three one ninety elite. 1:34:23.657 --> 1:34:27.218 App Yeah, go find your your wrek oneling right. 1:34:27.258 --> 1:34:29.258 I don't know that he'll fall that far. I think 1:34:29.258 --> 1:34:32.497 he might still end up being at fifty pick. Medical 1:34:32.537 --> 1:34:36.178 testing will be big from obviously, but uh, if he 1:34:36.218 --> 1:34:38.577 starts to fall, like he should absolutely be on their radar. 1:34:38.657 --> 1:34:40.977 Yep. All right, last one on the declared list, and 1:34:40.978 --> 1:34:44.657 then we'll get to the last couple of calls, emails, recency, bias, 1:34:44.697 --> 1:34:48.777 all that good stuff. Everybody's favorite tech McMillan declared for 1:34:48.817 --> 1:34:51.617 the NFL Draft. No shocker there whatsoever. So we have 1:34:51.657 --> 1:34:54.897 an email here from a regular listener. This is John 1:34:55.258 --> 1:34:59.777 in Louisiana, and he said that he believes that my 1:35:00.497 --> 1:35:05.218 dislike of Tech McMillan dislikes probably strong, just not. I'm 1:35:05.218 --> 1:35:09.338 not over the moon about Tech McMillan. My luke warm 1:35:09.537 --> 1:35:13.338 feelings about Tet McMillan are because he's not my type 1:35:13.378 --> 1:35:15.857 of receiver that I like. This is true, that I 1:35:15.937 --> 1:35:19.017 like the fast, twitchy guys. Now John takes a little 1:35:19.058 --> 1:35:21.218 too far. John says that if Mike Evans was in 1:35:21.258 --> 1:35:23.537 this draft, I would not like Mike Evans. And that's 1:35:23.577 --> 1:35:25.977 taking it a little god too far. 1:35:26.058 --> 1:35:29.977 Remembering Mike Evans in college. No, you, Johnny Manzil, it's 1:35:30.018 --> 1:35:33.937 all give you know. I could see you being out 1:35:34.018 --> 1:35:37.378 on Johnny Manziel. I could see Johnny Manziel, Sure, sorry 1:35:37.458 --> 1:35:39.577 on on Yeah, I was out on Manziel. I could 1:35:39.577 --> 1:35:40.418 see being out on Mike. 1:35:40.777 --> 1:35:43.298 I loved Mike Evans in college. I was. I was 1:35:43.298 --> 1:35:45.897 a Mike Evans guy. I was. I thought he made 1:35:45.937 --> 1:35:47.737 Johnny Manziel and that's not revision. 1:35:48.298 --> 1:35:50.537 No, it's true. But like you weren't hardened yet by 1:35:50.577 --> 1:35:51.217 the process. 1:35:51.458 --> 1:35:53.617 That's true. That's true. I haven't been current. 1:35:53.737 --> 1:35:57.378 You look at that, you would have you would have 1:35:57.378 --> 1:35:59.337 were Oh well, you know, they're too worried about Manzel 1:35:59.458 --> 1:36:00.617 running around. 1:36:00.378 --> 1:36:03.897 And I could see feel about Mike Evans. 1:36:04.058 --> 1:36:05.338 I think you would feel the same way you can 1:36:05.378 --> 1:36:07.378 do about McMillan. I think you would say I like him, 1:36:07.378 --> 1:36:08.097 but I don't love him. 1:36:08.577 --> 1:36:10.617 You know how I feel about Mike Evans. Mike Evans 1:36:10.617 --> 1:36:14.097 to me, Mike the NFL player, Mike Evans the what 1:36:14.138 --> 1:36:18.497 we the NFL player fine, the Tampa Bay buccaneer. Mike 1:36:18.537 --> 1:36:21.497 Evans has graduated in the category of I will not 1:36:21.817 --> 1:36:26.497 player comp college prospects to Mike Evans. He is too good. 1:36:26.737 --> 1:36:30.737 We have graduated Mike Evans to the to the elite, uh, 1:36:30.897 --> 1:36:34.937 you know, elite club right where like we can't comp 1:36:34.937 --> 1:36:38.378 players to Randy Moss, we don't comp players to Mike Evans, 1:36:38.458 --> 1:36:40.777 right Like, that's that's just where we're at. For me 1:36:40.857 --> 1:36:41.897 personally with Mike Evans. 1:36:41.897 --> 1:36:44.137 Oh, it's a good rule. I every year the number 1:36:44.138 --> 1:36:46.657 one tight end is Baby Gronk. Yeah, like they can't 1:36:46.657 --> 1:36:49.737 all be because he's one of one, right, So the 1:36:50.657 --> 1:36:53.897 Bowers he's pretty good. He's not Gronk, but he's pretty good. 1:36:54.018 --> 1:36:56.817 I still stand by my take on Teed McMillan for right, 1:36:56.857 --> 1:36:59.937 now I think he's a first round prospect. Like, don't, 1:37:00.058 --> 1:37:03.458 don't get it twisted, like I'm not fifteen prospect probably 1:37:03.537 --> 1:37:06.657 in this draft. Yeah, but my biggest concern about it 1:37:06.697 --> 1:37:09.497 is what I just said. In this draft, right like 1:37:09.577 --> 1:37:13.137 in other drafts at that position, like last year's wide 1:37:13.138 --> 1:37:15.657 receiver group, it's a loaded group. I get that, but 1:37:15.737 --> 1:37:19.378 he's still wide receiver four at best in that class 1:37:19.458 --> 1:37:22.777 last year? Is he not? Like he's not ahead of 1:37:23.098 --> 1:37:25.497 Harrison Neighbors in a donesay, Like he's just not as 1:37:25.537 --> 1:37:26.497 good of a prospect as that. 1:37:26.737 --> 1:37:28.617 I mean, I agree. All right, well, so then let's 1:37:28.617 --> 1:37:32.817 do this one three. Tell me want to stop Flowers? 1:37:32.857 --> 1:37:34.897 That was also a bad receiver draft. All right, so 1:37:34.937 --> 1:37:37.497 time we're to stop Zay Flowers. Yeah, Jackson Smith and 1:37:37.537 --> 1:37:39.177 Jigba Yeah, Jordan Addison. 1:37:39.258 --> 1:37:43.737 Stop. He's better than than Adison. He's definitely a player, 1:37:43.777 --> 1:37:46.937 and he's also definitely better than the kid in Quentin Johnson. 1:37:47.018 --> 1:37:49.097 Yea, yeah, you don't like quin I'm glad you said 1:37:49.098 --> 1:37:50.338 stop because I was trying. I can't. I was like, 1:37:50.378 --> 1:37:53.138 I can't say Quentin Johnson, Josh Downs. 1:37:53.497 --> 1:37:56.218 Yeah, no, he's better than those guys, Okay, I I 1:37:56.258 --> 1:37:59.458 thought that, you know, I love in that class. I 1:37:59.458 --> 1:38:03.017 thought Jason. I thought jays N was the best receiver 1:38:03.058 --> 1:38:06.018 in that class. Even I thought you would say, no, 1:38:06.138 --> 1:38:08.098 I had jays N even though I even though I 1:38:08.138 --> 1:38:12.017 love Zay personally, I I had j s N better. 1:38:12.098 --> 1:38:13.737 And jays N has been great by the way for 1:38:13.817 --> 1:38:15.057 Seattle this year. 1:38:15.497 --> 1:38:15.737 Uh. 1:38:15.897 --> 1:38:20.818 But uh, I can't come around on Ted McMillan just yet. 1:38:21.218 --> 1:38:24.017 I think the two things that look it's you could 1:38:24.018 --> 1:38:26.657 be right, John. I'll allow for this one hundred and 1:38:26.737 --> 1:38:29.657 ten percent. This could be a personal issue. This could 1:38:29.697 --> 1:38:32.497 be me the one thing that I can't the two 1:38:32.537 --> 1:38:35.777 things that I can't come away from thinking. Number one, 1:38:37.378 --> 1:38:39.697 it's not that they need Taekwon Thornton. They don't need 1:38:39.737 --> 1:38:43.337 four to two, right, But I just want some vertical 1:38:43.378 --> 1:38:48.337 stretch element with Drake May like the one you can't 1:38:48.697 --> 1:38:52.857 go and be a slow offense with a quarterback that 1:38:52.857 --> 1:38:55.097 can rip it sixty five yards Like that's just gonna 1:38:55.178 --> 1:38:58.458 drive me absolutely nuts. Like can we get somebody on 1:38:58.537 --> 1:39:01.298 this team please, that can get up the field, like 1:39:01.378 --> 1:39:04.018 somebody right that he can throw deep too, like what 1:39:04.138 --> 1:39:06.378 I keep going back to, and I know he didn't 1:39:06.378 --> 1:39:09.218 play a ton at UNC, there wasn't a ton of overlap. Yeah, 1:39:09.258 --> 1:39:11.897 but like tedes Walker right, like he's a one trick 1:39:11.937 --> 1:39:14.458 pony and that's why he was drafted you know later, 1:39:14.857 --> 1:39:18.218 and wasn't drafted super high. But Ted Walker could run 1:39:18.258 --> 1:39:20.777 by people, and Drake make get him the ball running 1:39:20.777 --> 1:39:23.497 by people. The second thing that I can't get over 1:39:23.617 --> 1:39:26.218 and this is me. This is a personal issue. Don't 1:39:26.218 --> 1:39:30.537 scout the helmet. I know that. The Arizona thing, I 1:39:30.298 --> 1:39:34.258 can't do it. Like I can't watch Somebody tell Teddy Brusk, 1:39:35.298 --> 1:39:40.138 I I can't watch Ted McMillan run through New Mexico's 1:39:40.178 --> 1:39:43.098 defense and get all gassed up about it. I just 1:39:43.218 --> 1:39:46.777 can't or like watching him run through soft zones in 1:39:46.817 --> 1:39:49.137 the middle of the field, because that's what every freaking 1:39:49.218 --> 1:39:51.777 team plays out there in this in this god. 1:39:51.617 --> 1:39:54.297 Forsaken every team plays in and by the way you would. 1:39:55.058 --> 1:39:58.178 I can't go out there, nice. I can't go out 1:39:58.218 --> 1:40:01.058 there and watch and be like all jazzed up that 1:40:01.138 --> 1:40:05.218 he took a dig route that with like no one 1:40:05.258 --> 1:40:08.258 around him, and I turned up field and ran for. 1:40:08.138 --> 1:40:10.577 Ford does after the catch is impressive. 1:40:10.817 --> 1:40:13.418 It's impressive, but like he's gonna be in phone boosts 1:40:13.418 --> 1:40:16.378 in the NFL, there's gonna be people around him that's every. 1:40:16.138 --> 1:40:18.857 Receiver, Like, you can only gauge him against the competition 1:40:18.897 --> 1:40:19.738 he's facing. 1:40:21.458 --> 1:40:21.617 Else. 1:40:21.737 --> 1:40:23.857 I guess what I'm trying to get at is that 1:40:23.978 --> 1:40:29.338 I don't see enough film that translates to the lead right, like, 1:40:29.418 --> 1:40:31.977 And that's the part that worries me about Ted McMillan. 1:40:32.258 --> 1:40:36.137 He's extremely talented. The traits are all there. He's six ' five, 1:40:36.378 --> 1:40:40.098 he's two fifteen, he moves like a smaller guy. Like. 1:40:40.138 --> 1:40:42.658 I see all of it from an eye test standpoint. 1:40:42.897 --> 1:40:46.458 What I don't see are like the translatable clips that 1:40:46.537 --> 1:40:48.817 I can cut out and I can say, here's him 1:40:48.857 --> 1:40:51.378 winning at the college level, and here's how that's going 1:40:51.418 --> 1:40:53.537 to translate to the pro level. And a lot of 1:40:53.577 --> 1:40:56.777 that has to do with the schedule that Arizona plays 1:40:57.018 --> 1:40:59.298 and like the types of defense that they play at 1:40:59.338 --> 1:41:02.577 that level. It's all like we're gonna play quarters and 1:41:02.617 --> 1:41:05.458 we're gonna play soft zone like that type of stuff 1:41:05.577 --> 1:41:09.097 just doesn't It's hard to translate that to the league. Now, 1:41:09.138 --> 1:41:13.657 his traits might translate, right, but I'm just worried about again, 1:41:14.098 --> 1:41:17.897 the bigger picture, are you still slow on the offensive 1:41:17.937 --> 1:41:18.617 side of the ball. 1:41:19.458 --> 1:41:22.338 And I said this to you last week. I don't 1:41:22.338 --> 1:41:24.577 think he's as slow as you think he is, Okay, 1:41:24.697 --> 1:41:28.577 I think because he's so big and he's all legs right, 1:41:29.418 --> 1:41:32.657 he looks he moves so naturally he moves. Ever you 1:41:32.697 --> 1:41:34.777 think he's a glider, I think he's a glider. I'm 1:41:34.777 --> 1:41:36.857 gonna be very interested to see what he runs. We 1:41:36.897 --> 1:41:39.857 did the whole rumored high school forty yard dash thing 1:41:39.937 --> 1:41:42.178 like we did last year. The rumor is four or 1:41:42.178 --> 1:41:43.017 five flat. 1:41:43.338 --> 1:41:45.577 If he runs a four, If he runs any four 1:41:45.657 --> 1:41:49.777 or five, I'm gonna say I confirm my priors. If 1:41:49.777 --> 1:41:51.458 he runs in the four to four is I will 1:41:51.458 --> 1:41:51.897 watch again. 1:41:52.418 --> 1:41:55.537 Change I can't. I'm trying to find the origin of 1:41:55.537 --> 1:41:57.537 this because I had multiple people send it to me, 1:41:57.857 --> 1:42:00.378 and I cannot find the origin. But enough people sent 1:42:00.458 --> 1:42:02.298 it to me that I'll pull the Felburn maz Here 1:42:02.617 --> 1:42:05.298 in brown check Market, you always say, well, you know, 1:42:05.338 --> 1:42:08.178 the forty time is great, but where what's the data? Say? 1:42:08.218 --> 1:42:11.418 What does the tracker say? Supposedly on one of his 1:42:11.458 --> 1:42:14.178 poll aways from I know it's New Mexico, but God, 1:42:14.258 --> 1:42:17.977 don't go New Mexico doesn't impact how fast he's running. Okay, 1:42:18.098 --> 1:42:19.497 he got up to twenty two miles an hour. 1:42:20.018 --> 1:42:22.338 Yeah, but that's like because he had a runway to 1:42:22.338 --> 1:42:24.937 get up to twenty two miles an hour. Right. The 1:42:24.978 --> 1:42:28.137 best part about Tag McMillan to me is that he's 1:42:28.218 --> 1:42:31.458 super smooth at six foot five. Yeah, right, he transitions 1:42:31.458 --> 1:42:34.177 really smoothly at the top of the route. He's bendy, 1:42:34.298 --> 1:42:37.617 he's he's got great body control. He's got a great 1:42:37.617 --> 1:42:40.617 ability to snap off routes. He has that ability to 1:42:40.697 --> 1:42:42.897 like come out of the gate, get the corner in 1:42:42.937 --> 1:42:45.017 the pedal, and then snap right out of it, right, 1:42:45.058 --> 1:42:49.657 And he can flexibly bend and cut in all that. Yeah, 1:42:49.777 --> 1:42:51.737 that at six foot five is not easy to do. Like, 1:42:51.777 --> 1:42:56.017 that's a rare trait. But look, it's just John's half 1:42:56.098 --> 1:42:58.537 right in this email. By the second half, I would 1:42:58.577 --> 1:43:00.497 have liked Mike Evans, all right, but this is the 1:43:00.577 --> 1:43:03.177 first half. It's not my cup of tea. It's he's 1:43:03.218 --> 1:43:05.737 not my type of guy. And we get to recency bias. 1:43:06.018 --> 1:43:07.418 You'll understand what I mean. 1:43:07.418 --> 1:43:10.537 Okay, Well, I just I'm interested to see what he 1:43:10.617 --> 1:43:12.857 runs at the fort. Let me ask you this just 1:43:12.857 --> 1:43:16.097 so you can clarify for yourself. Yeah, would you call 1:43:16.178 --> 1:43:18.697 him slow or would you call him not fast? Because 1:43:18.697 --> 1:43:19.657 there is not fast? 1:43:19.777 --> 1:43:23.978 Okay, and I want I want personally in this again. 1:43:23.777 --> 1:43:25.817 You want speed, and that's fine. I just it's a 1:43:25.817 --> 1:43:28.537 personal thing to clarify. If you want to say he's 1:43:28.577 --> 1:43:30.657 not fast, I would agree. He's not a burner. He's 1:43:30.697 --> 1:43:33.017 not Isaiah Bond, he's not Savior where He's not one 1:43:33.058 --> 1:43:37.737 of these guys. He's not slow either. He's not Quentin Johnson. 1:43:37.817 --> 1:43:39.858 He's not you know people Harry. 1:43:39.577 --> 1:43:40.857 And Johnson I think was actually fast. 1:43:40.897 --> 1:43:44.617 I'm trying to think of who these big like, yeah, 1:43:44.657 --> 1:43:47.537 thank you perfect. He's not Keon Coleman. He's not one 1:43:47.537 --> 1:43:50.537 of these big receivers that just lugs around the field. 1:43:50.577 --> 1:43:52.737 And it's just well, I'm bigger and stronger than you, 1:43:52.777 --> 1:43:54.737 so I'm gonna dominate you without like because I feel 1:43:54.777 --> 1:43:56.777 like when you say, oh, you know, big receiver who's 1:43:56.777 --> 1:43:59.897 not fast, people think that he's not slow. 1:44:00.418 --> 1:44:03.097 No, and and he's a lot. The thing that gives 1:44:03.138 --> 1:44:06.897 me hope about Ted McMillan, uh, if the Patriots were 1:44:06.937 --> 1:44:10.178 to draft him, is that what I saw with Uh 1:44:10.657 --> 1:44:14.097 that I learned from Nikhil Harry and what I saw 1:44:14.258 --> 1:44:17.657 with Quinton Johnston and what I saw a little bit 1:44:17.657 --> 1:44:21.298 with Kean Coleman as well is stiffness, right, like they 1:44:21.378 --> 1:44:24.258 they are roboty. He's not. He is not, And so 1:44:24.338 --> 1:44:27.657 that does give me hope. Those guys are had two 1:44:27.697 --> 1:44:30.938 left feet right, like they just were a stiff robot. 1:44:31.298 --> 1:44:34.218 They didn't break down well, they didn't have flexibility in 1:44:34.258 --> 1:44:36.378 their hips, like you could just see it, like they 1:44:36.497 --> 1:44:40.297 just moved like robots. That's not Ted McMillan, Tech McMillan's 1:44:40.298 --> 1:44:42.737 an athlete. Tech macmillans is really smooth. All right, let's 1:44:42.737 --> 1:44:44.697 get to some of these calls and then we'll wrap 1:44:44.777 --> 1:44:47.937 up with recency buys. AJ is in Brighton. What's up, AJ? 1:44:50.537 --> 1:44:54.617 Nope, Hey, you feel had a good week, you know, 1:44:54.697 --> 1:44:55.577 so I wanted to ask. 1:44:55.777 --> 1:44:57.738 I was watching. 1:44:57.418 --> 1:44:59.577 Thursday Night football with my mom last week and was 1:44:59.617 --> 1:45:02.537 explaining the concept of hashmarks to her and like why 1:45:02.617 --> 1:45:04.338 Jared Goff went to the other side to take me 1:45:04.497 --> 1:45:07.697 for the kick, And then just just watching college football 1:45:07.737 --> 1:45:09.497 and you know, looking at the end of the Georgia 1:45:09.537 --> 1:45:12.298 Texas game, that was a crazy difficult kick the guy 1:45:12.338 --> 1:45:14.657 hit because of like how like the angle he had 1:45:14.657 --> 1:45:17.418 to take. So I was just curious to ask, like, 1:45:17.458 --> 1:45:20.258 in terms of like kicker evaluations, how does that come 1:45:20.298 --> 1:45:23.218 into play, and just going towards next year, what are 1:45:23.218 --> 1:45:24.937 the kind of kickers that we should be looking at 1:45:24.937 --> 1:45:27.617 to bring to the team, just because clearly Joey Slide 1:45:27.657 --> 1:45:29.817 is not locked in like he's been good, but we're 1:45:29.857 --> 1:45:31.058 definitely gonna take to look at that. 1:45:31.138 --> 1:45:35.897 So yeah, yeah, cool, good college college hash marks and 1:45:36.018 --> 1:45:39.817 kicker evaluation, that's your call. Let's go, that's your call. 1:45:39.978 --> 1:45:40.298 Let's go. 1:45:40.697 --> 1:45:43.697 That adrenaline rush I got from that all of a sudden, 1:45:43.737 --> 1:45:44.817 you don't feel sick anymore. 1:45:45.058 --> 1:45:47.137 No, I really know. I legitally just got an adrenaline 1:45:47.178 --> 1:45:49.617 rush because I was waiting for you to just lose 1:45:49.617 --> 1:45:50.657 your mind over that call. 1:45:50.777 --> 1:45:53.537 That's what gives you an adrenaline rush. 1:45:52.978 --> 1:45:55.097 Your reaction to it, and then I jumped the gun. 1:45:57.418 --> 1:45:59.537 Bill's gonna have to really play the hashes now. This 1:45:59.617 --> 1:46:01.458 is another thing we're gonna have to see a manage 1:46:01.937 --> 1:46:02.617 that we've never seen. 1:46:02.697 --> 1:46:07.258 Actually, I think college ashes does it right, do you? 1:46:07.458 --> 1:46:07.817 I do? 1:46:07.978 --> 1:46:08.897 I like it. They're different. 1:46:09.577 --> 1:46:12.978 I think it does it right in college because to 1:46:13.058 --> 1:46:16.577 the caller's point, with kickers, it's obviously a different angle, 1:46:16.617 --> 1:46:19.218 which I think is it's more legitimate, like that's where 1:46:19.258 --> 1:46:22.338 the ball actually was on the field. The other thing 1:46:22.378 --> 1:46:24.657 that I like about the college hashes is like you 1:46:24.737 --> 1:46:27.977 have to make a true far hash throw right, Like 1:46:28.058 --> 1:46:30.177 that's not like the far hash throws in the NFL 1:46:30.178 --> 1:46:31.737 are are not quite the same. 1:46:31.777 --> 1:46:33.737 Anyways, give me the only reason I don't like it. 1:46:33.777 --> 1:46:36.378 I think, with how much speed there is in the 1:46:36.378 --> 1:46:40.737 modern NFL, defenses wouldn't have a chance with Detroit in 1:46:40.777 --> 1:46:43.977 the field. It would be I mean, games would be 1:46:43.978 --> 1:46:45.298 in the fifties. Yeah, every ear. 1:46:45.298 --> 1:46:46.057 That's a good point. 1:46:47.298 --> 1:46:51.577 Howard works for scouting college kickers from people I've talked 1:46:51.617 --> 1:46:53.697 when every team does it differently, but just people I've 1:46:53.697 --> 1:46:56.537 talked in the past, the big thing you look at 1:46:56.897 --> 1:46:59.418 scouting kickers and punters is kind of like scouting pitchers, 1:47:00.018 --> 1:47:03.937 where what teams really want to see your motion? Right, 1:47:04.937 --> 1:47:07.497 how consistent is it? Because when kickers start to miss, 1:47:07.497 --> 1:47:11.097 it's inconsistencies in the motion. So you're going to have 1:47:11.138 --> 1:47:14.897 the same follow through, it's going to change a little 1:47:14.897 --> 1:47:16.458 bit when you get way out to that far hash. 1:47:16.497 --> 1:47:17.857 But like they just want to see how well you 1:47:17.857 --> 1:47:20.537 can repeat your motion, how muscle memory it is, you're 1:47:20.537 --> 1:47:23.218 not really scouting, you know, make percentages. It is a 1:47:23.258 --> 1:47:25.378 tougher kick when you get out there, especially when you're 1:47:25.418 --> 1:47:30.137 up close, But I don't think that impacts the scouting 1:47:30.138 --> 1:47:32.657 at times. As for what kind of kicker the Patriots 1:47:32.657 --> 1:47:38.458 should look for, I like the Belichick philosophy of get 1:47:38.458 --> 1:47:40.418 a guy who has experienced kicking in the elements. I 1:47:40.418 --> 1:47:43.977 don't want like a lifetime Southern kicker, Dome kicker in 1:47:43.978 --> 1:47:48.137 New England. Dominic Zavada is Michigan's kicker, was the viewed 1:47:48.138 --> 1:47:49.697 as the top kicker in the draft. He's going back 1:47:49.697 --> 1:47:52.937 to school, so maybe that's the surprise. The guy I 1:47:52.978 --> 1:47:56.857 look at is Jonah Dalmas from Boise State. I did 1:47:56.857 --> 1:48:00.017 a players to watch on a championship weekend. I did 1:48:00.058 --> 1:48:02.218 not have genty for Boise State. For the Patriots, I 1:48:02.258 --> 1:48:05.298 had Jonahdalmas. So there you go. That's growth. Good for you, 1:48:05.617 --> 1:48:09.497 massive massive leg. He's obviously kicking up there in Boise 1:48:09.978 --> 1:48:13.777 they go up to Wyoming, they kick there. He's been 1:48:13.777 --> 1:48:15.937 one of the more accurate kickers. He's not exactly like 1:48:15.978 --> 1:48:19.737 a sniper, but he's been good. I like him. I 1:48:19.777 --> 1:48:21.977 don't know that he's the best overall kicker in this draft. 1:48:22.018 --> 1:48:23.737 I know we had a rough game. I like Brett 1:48:23.737 --> 1:48:26.777 Auburn from Texas. I think he's a good kicker. I 1:48:26.857 --> 1:48:28.577 got to get familiar with some of these other guys. 1:48:28.857 --> 1:48:32.697 But Jonah Dalmas to me the really big leg. I'd 1:48:32.697 --> 1:48:36.137 call it professional accuracy. Where again, he's not an elite, 1:48:36.138 --> 1:48:38.537 but it's it's within the range you want in the NFL. 1:48:39.537 --> 1:48:43.298 And he's consistent, he's experienced. Four your starter are all 1:48:43.338 --> 1:48:45.497 at Bois or sorry, five year starter all at Bois. 1:48:46.138 --> 1:48:47.218 So that's my guy. 1:48:47.258 --> 1:48:49.378 That's it. That's on kickers. Can I respond to the 1:48:49.458 --> 1:48:52.258 chat real quick? I don't normally do this, but there's 1:48:52.258 --> 1:48:54.057 some blasphemy going on in this chat. 1:48:53.978 --> 1:48:55.897 Right You shouldn't look at the chat. This is why 1:48:55.937 --> 1:48:56.657 I look at the chat. 1:48:56.777 --> 1:48:59.497 There's some blasphemy being talked about in the chat right now. 1:49:00.098 --> 1:49:00.537 I don't. 1:49:00.817 --> 1:49:04.258 I try. I've tried to be less less full of 1:49:04.298 --> 1:49:06.017 myself on the air a little bit, Alex, all right, 1:49:06.018 --> 1:49:07.697 I've been trying. I've been trying not to be as 1:49:07.737 --> 1:49:12.777 braggy about certain things. Sitting here, saying that I'm bad 1:49:12.857 --> 1:49:17.058 with wide receivers is blasphemy, all right, All of my 1:49:17.218 --> 1:49:19.338 rankings for the last like four or five years are 1:49:19.378 --> 1:49:21.137 all public, by the way, so you can go ahead 1:49:21.138 --> 1:49:23.977 and look at all these things. If there's one position 1:49:24.018 --> 1:49:26.338 in the draft that I'm pretty good at, and if 1:49:26.378 --> 1:49:29.418 I can toot my own horn for a second, wide receivers, 1:49:29.497 --> 1:49:31.777 is it all right? Like that's like the one position 1:49:32.098 --> 1:49:34.897 that I've done, I will put my track it's Taekwon. 1:49:34.978 --> 1:49:37.017 Man. You kept going back to Taekwon once he was here. 1:49:37.138 --> 1:49:38.298 Okay, but that's different. 1:49:38.378 --> 1:49:39.817 No, but that's why people think you're bad. 1:49:39.857 --> 1:49:43.537 But I'm contractually obligated to hype up Taekwon Thornton as 1:49:43.537 --> 1:49:46.697 a patriot, Okay, like that. Unfortunately that comes with the 1:49:46.777 --> 1:49:49.817 territory of working in this building. Okay, you have to 1:49:49.817 --> 1:49:52.338 be a little bit open minded to some guys, uh 1:49:52.577 --> 1:49:55.657 that you don't necessarily see it with. Okay, but this 1:49:55.737 --> 1:49:59.057 type of stuff, I'll put my tracker up with wide 1:49:59.098 --> 1:50:01.058 receivers up against anyone. I think you can vouch for 1:50:01.138 --> 1:50:01.458 me on this. 1:50:01.617 --> 1:50:03.418 No, you're you're you're pretty good with receiving. Were you 1:50:03.458 --> 1:50:05.497 in on Garrett Wilson people saying you were out on here? 1:50:05.617 --> 1:50:06.937 Of course I was in on Garrett Wilson. 1:50:07.018 --> 1:50:08.857 I was gonna say, that's the exact kind of you. 1:50:09.418 --> 1:50:12.137 Yeah, no, I did. I might have had a lave 1:50:12.178 --> 1:50:14.098 ahead of you. 1:50:14.178 --> 1:50:16.018 Saw Lobby is a true freshman where you text me 1:50:16.058 --> 1:50:17.977 you said, yeah, where's this guy supposed to go? I said, 1:50:17.978 --> 1:50:18.458 in two years? 1:50:18.497 --> 1:50:20.097 Yeah, I can look it up. I still I have 1:50:20.138 --> 1:50:23.458 all of my spreadsheets. Uh, well, you should do at 1:50:23.458 --> 1:50:29.298 some point. Is that's retroactively. But that's twenty one draft, right? 1:50:29.458 --> 1:50:34.217 Oh yeah, yeah that was the Matchell's draft. You should 1:50:34.378 --> 1:50:37.218 you should like start doing a collective wide receiver board. 1:50:37.577 --> 1:50:39.298 So like, oh no, it's twenty two draft. 1:50:39.537 --> 1:50:41.897 Put the guy No. Twenty two is in Jigba. 1:50:42.338 --> 1:50:43.218 No, that's twenty three. 1:50:43.338 --> 1:50:45.458 Okay, I'm thinking twenty twenty twenty. 1:50:45.058 --> 1:50:48.097 Two is like Jamar Chase and those guys. 1:50:49.338 --> 1:50:52.418 You should you should do like a collective wide receiver board. 1:50:52.777 --> 1:50:55.018 You can't do it now because it's it's retroactive. So 1:50:55.058 --> 1:50:57.137 people are gonna be, oh, well, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty, 1:50:57.138 --> 1:50:59.458 but rank all the receivers from the last five years, 1:50:59.817 --> 1:51:02.138 include this year's class, and like do it all as 1:51:02.178 --> 1:51:02.977 one big board. 1:51:03.218 --> 1:51:06.858 Yeah, so I had, you know, more way I do migratings, 1:51:07.537 --> 1:51:09.378 you know, like a seven or above is like an 1:51:09.418 --> 1:51:11.977 instant star in the league. I had Garrett Wilson with 1:51:11.978 --> 1:51:14.497 a seven. I had as an instant star in the NFL. 1:51:14.857 --> 1:51:18.817 I had Chris O Lave. Uh so I split it 1:51:18.897 --> 1:51:20.617 up at the time. I split it up between Z 1:51:20.777 --> 1:51:24.378 slot X, so I don't have these all, you know, 1:51:24.458 --> 1:51:28.338 perfectly aligned here. Yeah, but I added Jamison Williams, who 1:51:28.378 --> 1:51:30.178 I feel like I still am right about even though 1:51:30.258 --> 1:51:31.097 it hasn't been great. 1:51:31.178 --> 1:51:32.777 I was a big Jameson Williams gus, so I'll give 1:51:32.777 --> 1:51:36.057 you that one. Yeah, it hasn't been great, like he's 1:51:36.098 --> 1:51:37.777 been great when he's on the field. That's more like 1:51:37.817 --> 1:51:39.057 he just the field. 1:51:39.178 --> 1:51:41.937 Yeah, Jamison Williams a lave. 1:51:42.418 --> 1:51:44.737 Yeah, Garrett Wilson, Drake London. 1:51:45.138 --> 1:51:46.017 That was my time? 1:51:46.058 --> 1:51:47.057 Was there another first round? 1:51:47.258 --> 1:51:49.737 Traylon Burks was the other one, neither of us like 1:51:49.978 --> 1:51:54.097 no I had. I had Christian Watson, Traylon Burks, George Pickens, 1:51:54.978 --> 1:51:55.617 Alec Pierce. 1:51:56.058 --> 1:51:57.977 Here was that I had one guy like oddly high 1:51:58.018 --> 1:51:59.697 that year and I can't remember who. I always have 1:51:59.777 --> 1:52:03.017 that one guy that It's like, it wasn't Bryce Ford Wheaton. 1:52:03.697 --> 1:52:05.577 He might have been in that class, but it wasn't him. Oh, 1:52:05.697 --> 1:52:07.617 I'll give you one you were wrong on just because 1:52:07.617 --> 1:52:08.697 I saw it on the list. I hate to do 1:52:08.817 --> 1:52:13.258 this to you, sky Moore. Yeah, all right, well let's 1:52:13.298 --> 1:52:15.097 do this. Let's make this educational. Why did you miss 1:52:15.138 --> 1:52:15.617 what you learned? 1:52:16.258 --> 1:52:18.497 That's a good point. I haven't watched like a ton 1:52:18.537 --> 1:52:21.937 of him in Kansas City played an right, so I 1:52:21.697 --> 1:52:23.737 I I don't know for a fact that this could 1:52:23.737 --> 1:52:25.458 be a fun offseason show. The biggest thing at the 1:52:25.577 --> 1:52:27.977 prospect we were high on what you miss. I think 1:52:28.018 --> 1:52:31.017 the biggest thing that I missed was sky Moore was 1:52:31.617 --> 1:52:37.537 a lot of his stuff was in the slot against 1:52:37.537 --> 1:52:40.737 like linebackers and safeties and stuff like that. Then you 1:52:40.777 --> 1:52:42.697 get to the league and everybody's playing nickel and you're 1:52:42.737 --> 1:52:44.897 going up against nickel corners that can cover people. 1:52:45.018 --> 1:52:46.777 When he was at Western Michigan, he was in the max. 1:52:46.897 --> 1:52:48.697 And yeah, and then the word the probably the other 1:52:48.777 --> 1:52:52.217 thing you know that I've evolved and learned the most 1:52:52.258 --> 1:52:56.697 about receivers is at the NFL level, how important finishing 1:52:56.978 --> 1:52:59.537 and playing through contact is. I think that's probably been 1:52:59.577 --> 1:53:02.258 sky Moore's biggest problem. Yeah, is you just can't get 1:53:02.258 --> 1:53:05.497 off physical coverage if you can't do that, and That's why, 1:53:05.657 --> 1:53:09.297 like I always get a little bit like about receivers 1:53:09.298 --> 1:53:11.577 that play that just run through zones in college all 1:53:11.617 --> 1:53:13.977 the time, because in the league, you're gonna get bumped, 1:53:14.018 --> 1:53:16.617 you're gonna get battered, you're gonna get pressed, you're gonna 1:53:16.617 --> 1:53:19.458 get all of this stuff, and if you can't finish 1:53:19.537 --> 1:53:21.098 through all of that, then you're gonna I. 1:53:21.098 --> 1:53:22.897 Think this is a good offseason topic. I'll do it too. 1:53:22.897 --> 1:53:24.458 Would you miss what you learned? The two guys I 1:53:24.537 --> 1:53:27.697 had John Metchi's a first round pick that year. Yeah, 1:53:27.697 --> 1:53:30.258 which obviously we'll see. The other guy was super high 1:53:30.258 --> 1:53:33.737 on Wondale Robinson. I was super there were the Kentucky 1:53:33.737 --> 1:53:35.897 guys that here is Wandale Robinson and Darien Knord. 1:53:36.138 --> 1:53:36.338 Yeah. 1:53:36.338 --> 1:53:37.577 I wanted all the Kentucky guys that. 1:53:37.537 --> 1:53:41.017 Y're all right, let's take DC is in New Hampshire. 1:53:41.018 --> 1:53:41.617 What's up DC? 1:53:43.378 --> 1:53:46.298 Hey, guys, quick pop quiz for you, because I think 1:53:46.298 --> 1:53:49.737 there is a right answer here. Okay, so outside of Mike, 1:53:50.737 --> 1:53:53.057 who do you who do you think is the best 1:53:53.098 --> 1:53:56.978 O lineman the Pats have drafted in the last five years? 1:53:57.058 --> 1:53:58.777 Right off the top of your head, Oh man, the 1:53:58.817 --> 1:54:01.057 best O Lignement in the last five years. 1:54:03.617 --> 1:54:06.497 I mean, well, let's go back, so it's near the guy. 1:54:06.617 --> 1:54:08.017 Neither guys this year they ever really played. 1:54:08.537 --> 1:54:13.537 I mean twenty three was five years probably Isaiah Win. 1:54:14.418 --> 1:54:17.937 That's more five years ago. That was twenty eighteen nineteen. 1:54:18.937 --> 1:54:19.617 Is it Isaiah Win? 1:54:19.978 --> 1:54:20.977 That's six years. 1:54:21.298 --> 1:54:24.017 I think the answer is play hold. 1:54:24.777 --> 1:54:28.218 Oh okay, oh that was your big yell to pro guy. Fair. 1:54:29.058 --> 1:54:29.218 Fair. 1:54:29.298 --> 1:54:30.458 I was gonna say, Justin Barran. 1:54:30.697 --> 1:54:32.698 Yeah, no, y'all de for a hold. It's a good shout. 1:54:32.818 --> 1:54:33.298 That's fair. 1:54:33.978 --> 1:54:35.017 We got we got. 1:54:34.897 --> 1:54:37.338 The the All Day Revenge game coming up. 1:54:37.698 --> 1:54:40.378 Remember he's been really good, he's center. 1:54:40.778 --> 1:54:43.897 Yeah, nice to have him. 1:54:43.937 --> 1:54:46.418 But a quick question that, since you were talking about 1:54:46.418 --> 1:54:50.258 the big board of receivers, I'm curious maybe in the 1:54:50.298 --> 1:54:52.578 last couple of years, where you'd have Travis Hunter the 1:54:52.618 --> 1:54:55.618 receiver on there, because I'm getting more and more convinced 1:54:56.098 --> 1:55:01.698 and uh uh persuaded to going all in on Travis 1:55:01.778 --> 1:55:03.498 Hunter if he's there. And I might be in the 1:55:03.498 --> 1:55:05.818 minority of this, but I think the past draft them. 1:55:05.818 --> 1:55:09.097 We are drafting Travis Hunter the receiver. That is who 1:55:09.098 --> 1:55:11.178 I would want, and I'm just curious where you have 1:55:11.258 --> 1:55:14.698 him on that big board of receivers. Thanks guys, love 1:55:14.698 --> 1:55:15.017 the show. 1:55:15.218 --> 1:55:15.458 Thanks. 1:55:16.978 --> 1:55:18.458 You might be in the minority. But like I'm with you, 1:55:18.458 --> 1:55:20.017 I think if they draft Travis Hunter, they do it 1:55:20.018 --> 1:55:20.937 primarily as a receiver. 1:55:21.058 --> 1:55:22.897 Yeah, I agree, and I would have him as the 1:55:22.897 --> 1:55:24.937 best receiver in the draft in this dull. 1:55:25.098 --> 1:55:26.578 But what he was saying is like, all right, so 1:55:27.578 --> 1:55:30.218 Harrison Neighbors of Doonesday, where you saw him? Oh but 1:55:30.298 --> 1:55:31.937 hie and all three of those behind all three of them, 1:55:32.458 --> 1:55:37.618 Brian Thomas. I'd probably put him ahead of Brian Thomas. 1:55:37.658 --> 1:55:40.578 I probably would put him Xavier Worthy. I forget where 1:55:40.578 --> 1:55:41.858 you had thomasin Worthy. 1:55:41.698 --> 1:55:43.738 I would probably I had Thomas ahead of Worthy. I 1:55:43.778 --> 1:55:50.057 think I would probably put Travis Hunter in the same 1:55:50.098 --> 1:55:54.618 tier as Romadonsay, but behind Roemadonsay. So like I would 1:55:54.658 --> 1:55:57.177 have Ted McMillan, to me, would be in that next tier. 1:55:57.458 --> 1:55:59.937 Like I don't think he's belonged after Yeah, but I 1:55:59.978 --> 1:56:02.977 think that Travis Hunter would be with the Donsay. But 1:56:03.098 --> 1:56:06.658 I really thought Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors are rare, 1:56:06.738 --> 1:56:07.337 rare problems. 1:56:07.378 --> 1:56:12.738 So JSN, Quentin Johnson, Jay Flowers, Jordan Addison, he might 1:56:12.738 --> 1:56:14.818 be the best receiver in that draft that draft. 1:56:14.897 --> 1:56:17.618 Yeah, besides maybe JSN, js N was a really good prospect. 1:56:17.738 --> 1:56:20.298 Jamison Williams, Garret Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London. 1:56:23.018 --> 1:56:25.058 Yeah, he's in the in the epar echelon of that 1:56:25.138 --> 1:56:25.538 one too. 1:56:26.138 --> 1:56:30.977 I'd probably go Williams, Lave Wilson. I put him head 1:56:30.978 --> 1:56:31.498 of Drake London. 1:56:31.698 --> 1:56:34.858 Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't a big Drake London guy. Shock. 1:56:35.578 --> 1:56:39.257 All right, right, let's wrap it up with recency bias. So, uh, 1:56:39.338 --> 1:56:42.578 my recency bias pick is not going to shock you 1:56:42.618 --> 1:56:43.258 in the least bit. 1:56:43.418 --> 1:56:45.258 I'm gonna be bummed. I was like, who didn't we 1:56:45.298 --> 1:56:46.057 talk about yet? 1:56:46.378 --> 1:56:47.338 We haven't talked about him? 1:56:47.458 --> 1:56:51.298 I know so well, we have this weekend we have, 1:56:52.138 --> 1:56:53.818 but is so stupid. 1:56:53.858 --> 1:56:58.057 No, okay, we've talked about him, but we haven't talked 1:56:58.098 --> 1:57:01.458 about him lately. Because you told me about this player 1:57:01.897 --> 1:57:05.097 last year that I was gonna love this player this 1:57:05.218 --> 1:57:07.738 year was and you could not have been more correct. 1:57:07.818 --> 1:57:11.818 My friends, Oh is it Tory Horton, No, geez, Luther Burden. 1:57:11.978 --> 1:57:16.538 Oh yeah, Luther Burden. This dude is my type of dude. 1:57:16.578 --> 1:57:18.778 This is your counter point. 1:57:19.098 --> 1:57:22.378 You don't like receivers, Luthor Bird, I do this every year, 1:57:22.458 --> 1:57:25.258 Zavier were the same thing. I know the receivers you want, 1:57:25.378 --> 1:57:27.977 so Luther Bird and everybody's knocked on Luther Bird and 1:57:28.058 --> 1:57:30.097 is that he's had some like you know, little diva 1:57:30.098 --> 1:57:34.137 wide receiver tirades like I don't care, Okay, I don't care. 1:57:34.738 --> 1:57:40.618 Luther Burden explosive, explosive, explosive, right like, this guy is 1:57:40.738 --> 1:57:44.138 explosive at every level of the defense, explosive. With the 1:57:44.138 --> 1:57:46.458 ball in his hands, he can win routes down the 1:57:46.458 --> 1:57:50.057 field with explosiveness and separation ability down the field. 1:57:50.418 --> 1:57:52.738 I love the Swiss army knife element right like. You 1:57:52.738 --> 1:57:55.218 can do all sorts of different gadgety type things with 1:57:55.298 --> 1:57:58.137 him as well. But man, oh man, is that guy 1:57:58.338 --> 1:58:01.738 just shot out of a cannon like double moves verticals 1:58:01.778 --> 1:58:06.778 from the slot, just ball cat you know, yards after catch, 1:58:06.818 --> 1:58:09.897 you know, catch and run type routes, that sort of thing, 1:58:10.578 --> 1:58:13.498 my comp Right now, I'm gonna be a little bit 1:58:13.538 --> 1:58:15.897 like you and go a little outside the box. I 1:58:15.937 --> 1:58:18.698 see a lot of the same sort of elements of 1:58:18.858 --> 1:58:21.658 usage and body type as Deebo Samuel. Yeah, I see 1:58:21.658 --> 1:58:23.458 the route running of his Za flowers like I think 1:58:23.458 --> 1:58:26.977 that it's like if those two guys had like just 1:58:27.018 --> 1:58:31.578 for evan football wide receiver, baby, it would be Luthor Burden, right, 1:58:31.658 --> 1:58:34.778 And I'm really high on Luther Burden. I I love 1:58:34.858 --> 1:58:36.778 the film. You knew it was coming. 1:58:36.897 --> 1:58:38.097 You put him ahead of te McMillan. 1:58:38.658 --> 1:58:44.097 Uh, I can't cantus about him like this because McMillan. 1:58:44.178 --> 1:58:46.818 I can't allow my skill set bias to set in 1:58:46.897 --> 1:58:49.738 too much, right like I can't he is. I would 1:58:49.818 --> 1:58:52.138 draft him if I was building an offense, because that's 1:58:52.178 --> 1:58:54.418 the type of offense I would want to build, right 1:58:54.498 --> 1:58:57.138 like I would want to build the Miami Dolphins, right, 1:58:57.178 --> 1:58:59.458 like I would put all the speed on the world 1:58:59.458 --> 1:59:02.378 on the field. I don't think that he's I think 1:59:02.378 --> 1:59:04.578 he's a little different than Jalen Waddle, but I could 1:59:04.578 --> 1:59:07.578 see the some overlap and usage and style and that 1:59:07.658 --> 1:59:10.937 kind of stuff as Jalen Wattle as well. Just look 1:59:10.978 --> 1:59:13.578 this is this is a big play, Like, you give 1:59:13.618 --> 1:59:15.618 this guy the ball, He's gonna make a big play, 1:59:16.058 --> 1:59:18.218 really exciting player. I thought he was off. 1:59:18.298 --> 1:59:20.097 When you do your ranks, who's going to be number one? 1:59:22.058 --> 1:59:25.057 I'd probably I probably am gonna not let my my 1:59:25.218 --> 1:59:28.017 biases get in the way, and I'd probably put tet 1:59:28.098 --> 1:59:28.578 McMillan in. 1:59:29.178 --> 1:59:31.137 Everything you said about McMillan before, or why. 1:59:32.578 --> 1:59:34.977 I think because I keep on coming back to the 1:59:35.018 --> 1:59:37.578 fact with McMillan that he's a loose athlete, Like he's 1:59:37.658 --> 1:59:42.378 not this stiff Nikhil Harry robotic athlete. So I see, 1:59:42.897 --> 1:59:45.418 I see it. I do see it with him. It's 1:59:45.458 --> 1:59:47.018 just not my cup of tea, and I can't I 1:59:47.058 --> 1:59:48.378 don't want to let that get in the way. If 1:59:48.418 --> 1:59:50.418 I was building the offense, and we were building it 1:59:50.458 --> 1:59:53.097 through my vision and I knew the types of schemes 1:59:53.098 --> 1:59:55.298 and the type of offense I wanted to be, Like 1:59:55.338 --> 1:59:58.098 what really excites me about Luther Burden a lot is 1:59:58.138 --> 2:00:00.858 that they want to be like an outside zone, bootleg 2:00:00.978 --> 2:00:03.698 move the pocket type of offense. Like you send this 2:00:03.738 --> 2:00:06.778 guy on like a crosser off a bootleg and he's 2:00:06.778 --> 2:00:09.338 just in a foot race coming across fields all the time, 2:00:09.538 --> 2:00:11.818 and you give him some runways to run with the 2:00:11.858 --> 2:00:14.738 football after the catch. He's gonna take chunks out of 2:00:14.778 --> 2:00:18.257 the defense regularly. And that excites me about that player. 2:00:18.378 --> 2:00:22.018 So pick it three, Ted McMillan, or trade down and 2:00:22.018 --> 2:00:22.698 get Luther Burton. 2:00:24.538 --> 2:00:28.618 If they traded down and they took Luther Burden ten eleven, 2:00:28.778 --> 2:00:31.298 twelve like some So. 2:00:31.578 --> 2:00:34.138 This is where we excuse me. We talked about this 2:00:34.178 --> 2:00:37.418 earlier with like T Higgins. Yeah, you're not gonna pair 2:00:37.458 --> 2:00:40.137 te Higgins with Ted McMillan because there's overlap. You pair 2:00:40.258 --> 2:00:43.658 Luther Burden with T Higgins. Now you have a more 2:00:43.698 --> 2:00:47.097 complete offense. So there is a path to Luthor burdon Twitchy. No, 2:00:47.418 --> 2:00:50.618 he's which, he's he's an electric player. He's he's an 2:00:50.698 --> 2:00:53.018 electric player. And I just talked about how much I 2:00:53.058 --> 2:00:55.498 loved Wandale Robinson because he was that kind of guy. 2:00:55.498 --> 2:00:58.178 But Wanda Robinson's tiny. Yeah, this is this guy is 2:00:58.338 --> 2:01:01.338 has been and honestly to the Travis Hunter thing too. 2:01:01.458 --> 2:01:02.937 All right, how do you have against Travis Hunter? Is 2:01:02.978 --> 2:01:03.338 a receiver? 2:01:03.818 --> 2:01:10.778 Oh? Man, I don't know. That's tough. I I would 2:01:10.858 --> 2:01:12.897 say that I probably would still have Hunter a little 2:01:12.897 --> 2:01:15.858 bit ahead. But I'm excited about Luther Burden. 2:01:15.937 --> 2:01:16.897 No, here's the thing. 2:01:16.978 --> 2:01:18.418 Want to try to like, I know I'm saying that 2:01:18.418 --> 2:01:21.578 he's probably my third receiver, but I just again, I 2:01:21.578 --> 2:01:25.258 think what comes down to that with Luther Burden is 2:01:25.298 --> 2:01:27.498 a lot of it is going to be scheme related, right, 2:01:27.578 --> 2:01:29.538 Like what kind of offense do you want to be? 2:01:30.018 --> 2:01:32.178 How are you you scheming him open? How are you 2:01:32.218 --> 2:01:35.738 scheming him opportunities to get the football? I don't necessarily 2:01:35.778 --> 2:01:38.897 like Teed McMillan touch guy. Yeah, Ted McMillan for all 2:01:38.937 --> 2:01:41.778 of his for all my issues with him, Like he's 2:01:41.778 --> 2:01:44.017 an X receiver. You put him on the X spot 2:01:44.058 --> 2:01:48.058 and you don't translates, Right, Luther Burden's gonna have to 2:01:48.218 --> 2:01:48.937 get some help. 2:01:49.018 --> 2:01:51.097 And we know that. And now there's a different coaching staff. 2:01:51.138 --> 2:01:53.057 We know they've had trouble with scheme touch guys. Yeah. 2:01:53.098 --> 2:01:55.418 I really like Burton and and part of what I 2:01:55.578 --> 2:01:57.818 like is I think you're gonna be setting him over 2:01:57.818 --> 2:01:59.818 the middle. He's gonna be taking hits. This is a 2:01:59.818 --> 2:02:01.578 guy that can take hits. This is a guy that 2:02:01.858 --> 2:02:03.618 is not afraid to play physically, and I think there's 2:02:03.618 --> 2:02:06.978 tremendous value in that at that position. I think McMillan 2:02:07.018 --> 2:02:12.458 the size, athleticism combination is rare. But Burden is the 2:02:12.538 --> 2:02:14.698 kind of player that they've kind of been looking for 2:02:14.698 --> 2:02:18.177 for a while. Right, If you went McMillan or not McMillan, 2:02:18.218 --> 2:02:23.658 if you went Higgins, Burton, Pop Douglas, that's freaking explosive. 2:02:23.738 --> 2:02:24.218 It's a room. 2:02:24.338 --> 2:02:26.338 You got, you got. You went from one of the 2:02:26.418 --> 2:02:29.177 least explosive wide receiver rooms one of the most explosive. Overnight. 2:02:29.338 --> 2:02:30.458 Yeah, not overnight. 2:02:30.458 --> 2:02:31.258 It is gonna take two months. 2:02:32.178 --> 2:02:34.937 Great, great, like yin and yang with with T Higgins 2:02:34.937 --> 2:02:37.298 potential there and then I also still think, you know, 2:02:37.298 --> 2:02:38.897 I heard a little bit of like, well, isn't that 2:02:38.937 --> 2:02:41.298 just Pop Douglas, Like, No, I don't think so. 2:02:41.378 --> 2:02:44.378 Like he's six foot two hundred, he's much more competitive 2:02:44.378 --> 2:02:47.578 at the catch point. He's no, he's he's probably he's 2:02:47.578 --> 2:02:49.338 closer to Kendrick Borne than he is to Pop Douglas. 2:02:49.378 --> 2:02:52.538 I think he's a base receiver, whereas I think Pop 2:02:52.618 --> 2:02:55.017 is a true slot in eleven. Yeah, right, like and 2:02:55.058 --> 2:02:56.977 so I think you can play both of them together 2:02:57.378 --> 2:02:59.378 by having one of them be the off the line, 2:02:59.498 --> 2:03:01.218 you know, the Z, and then one of them is 2:03:01.218 --> 2:03:01.818 the true slot. 2:03:01.897 --> 2:03:05.458 Who the comp be for for Burden from last year's draft, 2:03:06.538 --> 2:03:09.378 last year's draft, it's. 2:03:09.298 --> 2:03:12.778 Kind of I don't know if there's there is. I 2:03:12.778 --> 2:03:15.137 think the two years ago, like, I I think he's 2:03:15.937 --> 2:03:17.538 like I said, I a lot of the ways that 2:03:17.578 --> 2:03:19.738 he moves and runs routes is a lot like Za 2:03:20.498 --> 2:03:20.778 a lot. 2:03:20.818 --> 2:03:21.818 Yeah, the bigger fly. 2:03:21.978 --> 2:03:24.698 Like when he ran I forget who was against, but 2:03:24.738 --> 2:03:26.298 he ran an out and up for like a forty 2:03:26.378 --> 2:03:28.538 yard touchdown and I did a flat, I did a 2:03:28.538 --> 2:03:31.138 double tap. I was like, Oh, I think that's Day 2:03:31.178 --> 2:03:33.977 Flowers right like, but he's bigger and thicker, kind of 2:03:33.978 --> 2:03:38.178 built like Deebo Samuel, so that I really am am. 2:03:38.778 --> 2:03:40.937 I'm bullish on the guy. I think he's gonna if 2:03:40.978 --> 2:03:44.058 he goes to the right offensive coordinator, he goes to 2:03:44.098 --> 2:03:46.897 the right offense, he's gonna happen. 2:03:47.498 --> 2:03:48.818 Chiefs are gonna trade up and take him. 2:03:48.897 --> 2:03:50.137 Yeah, I mean that he'd be a problem. 2:03:51.138 --> 2:03:53.818 A big thing with Luthor Burden was well Rischie Rice 2:03:54.338 --> 2:03:55.897 a little bit, yeah, Well, and the big thing with 2:03:55.978 --> 2:03:59.778 Luthor Burden was that he's from Saint Louis. Yeah, and 2:03:59.858 --> 2:04:02.858 he stayed. He's a five star number two. He was 2:04:02.978 --> 2:04:05.217 ranked ahead of McMillan. McMillan was number four in that class. 2:04:05.258 --> 2:04:07.498 He was number two. Yeah, and he stayed at Missouri. 2:04:07.538 --> 2:04:09.098 And there's this whole thing about how he made it 2:04:09.138 --> 2:04:11.538 cool to stay in state because Missouri was losing all 2:04:11.578 --> 2:04:15.498 its top players. So there is like a through line 2:04:15.498 --> 2:04:17.937 there of the Chiefs see that and see what he 2:04:18.098 --> 2:04:21.298 means to you know, you're drafting football players, but they 2:04:21.298 --> 2:04:23.778 need a receiver and to get a guy like that, 2:04:23.818 --> 2:04:26.538 I think does a lot for your organizational culture. So 2:04:26.658 --> 2:04:28.897 I I see the Chiefs trading up for him. If 2:04:29.338 --> 2:04:32.017 don't take him first, we got a who's yours? So 2:04:32.018 --> 2:04:36.218 remember last week we talked about the Patriots needing a 2:04:36.618 --> 2:04:39.977 more modern off ball linebacker pair with Bentley be the 2:04:39.978 --> 2:04:42.137 next guy, good size, but can still flow a sideline 2:04:42.178 --> 2:04:44.937 aside line. Uh So, I'm doing some research on the 2:04:44.937 --> 2:04:49.137 conference championship games over the weekend and I stumble onto 2:04:49.218 --> 2:04:52.218 Barrett Carter from Clemson, number zero. If you watch any 2:04:52.258 --> 2:04:56.017 of him, he's not massive. I know, we talked about 2:04:56.058 --> 2:04:59.578 a bigger linebacker. He's big. He's he's six one, two thirty, 2:05:00.058 --> 2:05:04.578 so he's dense. He's yeah. And you know my thing 2:05:04.578 --> 2:05:07.418 where like he can put size on after the point. 2:05:08.778 --> 2:05:11.498 Name something you might ask a defensive player to do. 2:05:11.738 --> 2:05:14.418 Name just about any assignment. Yeah, Barrett Carter did it 2:05:14.418 --> 2:05:16.218 at Clemson, and he did it at a pretty high level. 2:05:16.378 --> 2:05:18.418 They used him to stop the run, they used him 2:05:18.458 --> 2:05:20.698 in coverage, they used him to rush the passer. He 2:05:20.738 --> 2:05:24.137 had seventeen pressures in seventy six pass rush snaps this year. Nice, 2:05:24.178 --> 2:05:24.698 that's insane. 2:05:24.698 --> 2:05:26.897 Who was the guy that? Who was it last year 2:05:26.937 --> 2:05:29.898 on Clemson? Linebacker because they play that there's a guy 2:05:29.978 --> 2:05:34.658 yeah two years ago? Uh do you keep that's that role? 2:05:34.778 --> 2:05:34.977 You know? 2:05:35.138 --> 2:05:35.338 Yeah? 2:05:35.378 --> 2:05:37.298 Yeah, So he's the next guy in that like the 2:05:37.538 --> 2:05:41.698 jack of all trades linebacker role does everything does at 2:05:41.698 --> 2:05:45.618 a high level. Really smart player. Uh has a knack 2:05:45.698 --> 2:05:47.298 for being in the right place at the right time. 2:05:47.778 --> 2:05:50.258 I just think he's a guy that's like just very 2:05:50.298 --> 2:05:52.258 You can plug him into an NFL defense and I 2:05:52.258 --> 2:05:53.178 think he'd be ready to go. 2:05:53.818 --> 2:05:54.017 Yeah. 2:05:54.058 --> 2:05:56.778 And you know, Fred Werner's the apex. I don't know 2:05:56.818 --> 2:05:59.057 that he's Fred Werner, but if you're chasing that sort 2:05:59.098 --> 2:06:06.738 of player, Carter's in that mold. To me, he's somebody. 2:06:06.858 --> 2:06:09.418 He's projected to be a Day two pick if things 2:06:09.458 --> 2:06:12.538 go the right way and free agency. Like, definitely a 2:06:12.578 --> 2:06:13.977 guy look for. I don't know how much he's gonna 2:06:13.978 --> 2:06:16.138 pass rush in the NFL. He's probably more of a 2:06:16.138 --> 2:06:21.098 coverage guy, but they need that. Yeah, I like, I 2:06:21.338 --> 2:06:23.298 just looked this up pro comp Evan tell me I 2:06:23.338 --> 2:06:24.698 feel about this Kwan Alexander. 2:06:25.218 --> 2:06:28.738 Okay, Yeah, the guy I was thinking of was Trenton 2:06:28.778 --> 2:06:32.858 Simpson who got got drafted. I don't think his third round. 2:06:33.897 --> 2:06:36.458 Yeah, he's bigger, I don't think he's quite as athletic, 2:06:36.538 --> 2:06:40.338 but yeah, similar Robert Splaine would be another guy I 2:06:40.897 --> 2:06:41.858 throw as a camp Yeah. 2:06:41.897 --> 2:06:44.578 I like Kwan Alexander in his peak obviously. 2:06:44.258 --> 2:06:48.017 Yeah, yeah, I assume that means peak. But yeah, he's 2:06:48.018 --> 2:06:50.298 got to bulk up a little bit. But he would 2:06:50.298 --> 2:06:52.658 give them that. You put him next to Bentley your set. 2:06:52.818 --> 2:06:55.298 Yeah, pretty not like a number one need, but like 2:06:55.338 --> 2:06:57.098 a sneaky need linebacker. 2:06:57.218 --> 2:06:59.298 Well, yeah, I don't know that they can. You're probably 2:06:59.338 --> 2:07:01.298 gonna have to take him in the second round, early 2:07:01.338 --> 2:07:04.458 third round. So they gotta get some business done in 2:07:04.458 --> 2:07:06.218 free agency to be able to do that. But if 2:07:06.258 --> 2:07:08.937 they do, it just fails. We'll watch him in the 2:07:08.978 --> 2:07:10.057 playoff against Texas. 2:07:10.218 --> 2:07:13.698 It feels like, unfortunately this staff is not very high 2:07:13.698 --> 2:07:14.978 on Marte Mapu. 2:07:15.178 --> 2:07:17.698 My guy, and so definitely not as a linebacker. 2:07:17.778 --> 2:07:19.858 It definitely sounds like they're not as high on him 2:07:20.098 --> 2:07:23.418 really really quickly, and then we're gonna go, Uh, Patriot's 2:07:23.458 --> 2:07:28.458 injury report just came out, so Javon Baker obviously it 2:07:28.538 --> 2:07:31.498 was the d MP without a with a CONCUSSI, Jalen 2:07:31.538 --> 2:07:34.017 Hawkins has an illness of whatever is going around. Jalen 2:07:34.018 --> 2:07:37.858 Hawkins in the club, and Jacquela and Roy misspractice with 2:07:37.897 --> 2:07:40.618 that foot injury that he's been fighting through. Marcus Jones 2:07:40.698 --> 2:07:44.458 back in a limited capacity. I think that changed. So 2:07:44.498 --> 2:07:47.017 Marcus Jones back in ulimited capacity. So that's your injury 2:07:47.018 --> 2:07:49.937 report updates. So Alex and I will be back next week. 2:07:49.937 --> 2:07:53.778 More traditional show next week. Well, I came into this 2:07:53.858 --> 2:07:56.058 show Marine thinking that we weren' gonna have anything to 2:07:56.098 --> 2:07:58.858 talk about, and then we went over two hours somehow 2:07:58.897 --> 2:08:02.458 on the show. Shocking, surprise, surprise. But we'll be back 2:08:02.498 --> 2:08:05.498 next week to recap the Cardinals game, look ahead to 2:08:05.578 --> 2:08:10.017 the Buffalo Bills, Alex's favorite team until then. Easy to drink, 2:08:10.098 --> 2:08:12.858 Easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official beer sponsor of 2:08:12.897 --> 2:08:14.818 the New England Patriots. 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