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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside you Llette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Deso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 3: And Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: All right, number one down.

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Speaker 4: We already did this, just yes, just as a whole

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Speaker 4: we were We did twenty minutes on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep, I let you do minutes on that.

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Speaker 4: It was important.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Let the story of the game. That was the story

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Speaker 4: of the game, Evan.

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Speaker 2: I know, That's why I had to talk about it,

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Speaker 2: you know, to do his job. It's painful. It's pa.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that that we have to

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Speaker 2: One of them is is game management, time management, like

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Speaker 2: did he timeouts at the right time? Did they manage

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Speaker 2: the clock correctly? Did they challenge this play or not

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Speaker 2: challenge that play like that? That stuff is insufferable. It's insufferable.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that is insufferable is our conversation off

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Speaker 2: the air about one Bill Belichick and just me having

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Speaker 2: to talk about this is I I did not want to.

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Speaker 2: I did not want to.

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Speaker 4: I I didn't didn't think you're gonna have to said

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Speaker 4: it was a non story.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that. That's not what I said. That's

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Speaker 2: not what I said. We'll get to Bill here in

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Speaker 2: a second. It's obviously the story that day. I think

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Speaker 2: his introductory press conference is going on as we speak,

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Speaker 2: are about to start any minute now. So it was

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Speaker 2: a two o'clock press conference, but we know from Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick press conference. Yeah, maybe he's a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that, and I have some draft takes.

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Speaker 2: The championship weekend in college football was last weekend during

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Speaker 2: the bye so I did watch quite a bit of

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Speaker 2: those games, and I have some opinions. I know, Uh

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Speaker 2: it was it. Connor Connolly, the connorly, the Oregon tackle

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Speaker 2: Abdul Carter had another impressive game as well. Uh. So

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Speaker 2: we'll talk some draft here today and some offseason as well,

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Speaker 2: and maybe preview a little Cardinals. So that that's the show.

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Speaker 2: It's a little weird show because we don't have a

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Speaker 2: game of what from the Bible. I guess we probably

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Speaker 4: I guess we could just do like buy week ups

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Speaker 4: and downs, so the bill stuff, the college football playoffs,

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Speaker 4: just whatever, three things that were up and three things

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Speaker 2: Okay, would you like to do that?

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Speaker 4: No, we can. I don't have it ready.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't have it ready either. So we have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of everything on the board today, as

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Speaker 2: so we can't do our normal autopsy of the game

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Speaker 2: three up, three down, all that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: we'll be active on the emails and the phones as well,

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Speaker 2: So give us an email shout at Patriots podcast at

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Speaker 2: Patriots dot com. There we go, because we got to

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Speaker 2: And the phone number, of course is eight five to

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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. I don't even know where to

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Speaker 4: What was the best game, the most complete game they'd played?

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Speaker 4: I think there's an argument it's Week two against the Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: I'll allow for that, but I also kind of push

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Speaker 4: And I'm good. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he's he's been sick. You've been you're

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to throw Literally just happens, So I

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, it's interesting with the Cardinals that you

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Speaker 2: He's subtracting point eight four expected points added per dropback

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe the Longhorn package gets involved is a

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Speaker 2: And you see some really ugly reps from Murray when

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Speaker 2: That's where you're going to struggle against this Cardinals team

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big game for the front as a hole,

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Speaker 2: All right, last thing on the Cardinals, and then I

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more everything I've said is make this

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Speaker 2: By it.

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Speaker 4: like to see them stick with Ben Brown and stick

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00:22:13,738 --> 00:22:14,458
Speaker 4: with the continuity.

432
00:22:15,458 --> 00:22:18,378
Speaker 2: I would just say it would be easier to change,

433
00:22:18,818 --> 00:22:20,658
Speaker 2: Like if you wanted to have a rotation to try

434
00:22:20,658 --> 00:22:23,418
Speaker 2: to get both those guys reps, I can I could

435
00:22:23,458 --> 00:22:26,018
Speaker 2: hear that if it was like tackle or guard. I

436
00:22:26,018 --> 00:22:29,698
Speaker 2: think that's more doable where you have a rotation, or

437
00:22:30,738 --> 00:22:33,098
Speaker 2: maybe it's halves or so. I don't know what exactly

438
00:22:33,218 --> 00:22:35,697
Speaker 2: would look like necessarily, but if you want to get

439
00:22:35,738 --> 00:22:38,178
Speaker 2: both those guys game reps and left guard is sort

440
00:22:38,218 --> 00:22:40,618
Speaker 2: of a rotation, maybe you do it for the first

441
00:22:40,698 --> 00:22:42,938
Speaker 2: couple series and then you ride the hot hand, you know,

442
00:22:42,938 --> 00:22:46,338
Speaker 2: whoever's playing better, you know, midway through the second quarter

443
00:22:46,378 --> 00:22:50,218
Speaker 2: against the rest of the game. I could entertain that.

444
00:22:50,338 --> 00:22:52,418
Speaker 2: I think it's a totally different animal when you start

445
00:22:52,458 --> 00:22:54,698
Speaker 2: talking about center, and when we start talking about a

446
00:22:54,698 --> 00:22:56,937
Speaker 2: team that wants to go under center and play from

447
00:22:57,018 --> 00:22:59,978
Speaker 2: underneath center and you have to put the quarterback under center.

448
00:23:01,978 --> 00:23:02,258
Speaker 4: Elements.

449
00:23:02,418 --> 00:23:05,018
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the communication is a big piece of it.

450
00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:08,658
Speaker 2: So I think it's really difficult to rotate at center. Specifically,

451
00:23:08,898 --> 00:23:11,417
Speaker 2: they wanted to rotate Landon Robinson and cold Strange at

452
00:23:11,458 --> 00:23:13,258
Speaker 2: left guard. I would be more open to that. I

453
00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:16,218
Speaker 2: still don't necessarily think it's necessary, Like, I don't know

454
00:23:16,258 --> 00:23:19,018
Speaker 2: why we're doing this for cold Strange. I really just don't,

455
00:23:19,338 --> 00:23:21,657
Speaker 2: especially this late in the season. Like it's not like

456
00:23:21,738 --> 00:23:24,538
Speaker 2: he hasn't he has shown at times that he can

457
00:23:24,538 --> 00:23:27,778
Speaker 2: play in the NFL. Again, I just I don't see

458
00:23:27,778 --> 00:23:30,378
Speaker 2: what we're going to gain from that, especially from the

459
00:23:30,538 --> 00:23:33,298
Speaker 2: point of view that as we sort of segue into

460
00:23:33,298 --> 00:23:35,258
Speaker 2: some of this news that's broken over the last couple

461
00:23:35,218 --> 00:23:38,417
Speaker 2: of days, they're probably gonna have a pretty significantly different

462
00:23:38,458 --> 00:23:42,298
Speaker 2: offensive line to start twenty twenty five. Sure, yeah, you're

463
00:23:42,338 --> 00:23:45,738
Speaker 2: you're looking at probably two new tackles at least on

464
00:23:45,778 --> 00:23:48,658
Speaker 2: that offensive line. So at what point do you also

465
00:23:48,698 --> 00:23:50,618
Speaker 2: look at it and say, well, it's not even the group, right,

466
00:23:50,738 --> 00:23:53,138
Speaker 2: It's not like he's getting in there and it's gonna

467
00:23:53,138 --> 00:23:55,338
Speaker 2: be the same four guys and you know, same five

468
00:23:55,418 --> 00:23:59,138
Speaker 2: including him next week year in Week one twenty twenty five,

469
00:23:59,218 --> 00:24:02,778
Speaker 2: barring injury, it's gonna be a significant shuffle anyways. So

470
00:24:03,178 --> 00:24:06,418
Speaker 2: I would just the biggest point though, of that whole thing,

471
00:24:07,258 --> 00:24:09,938
Speaker 2: is that I just would not mess with this element

472
00:24:09,978 --> 00:24:12,378
Speaker 2: for Drake May. I just think it's worked with Ben Brown.

473
00:24:12,698 --> 00:24:17,258
Speaker 2: It's been smooth with Ben Brown from a snapping communications standpoint,

474
00:24:17,258 --> 00:24:19,058
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't mess with it. All right, let's get

475
00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:22,418
Speaker 2: to some of this this news over the last couple

476
00:24:22,378 --> 00:24:25,418
Speaker 2: of days. Obviously, Bill Belichick is being introduced as the

477
00:24:25,418 --> 00:24:27,698
Speaker 2: North Carolina head coach as we speak.

478
00:24:27,738 --> 00:24:30,498
Speaker 4: They gave him a cut off unc hoodie sick. He

479
00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:32,698
Speaker 4: also held up his dad's hoodie for what his dad

480
00:24:32,738 --> 00:24:34,178
Speaker 4: coached there in the fifties.

481
00:24:34,258 --> 00:24:36,538
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, I.

482
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Speaker 4: Hate this all you want? You're in the minority on that,

483
00:24:39,218 --> 00:24:40,738
Speaker 4: am I? Yeah?

484
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:44,418
Speaker 2: Okay. So we've argued about this off the air already,

485
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:46,938
Speaker 2: and I want to bring some of the text messages

486
00:24:46,938 --> 00:24:49,138
Speaker 2: to light. Some of it's probably not great for air.

487
00:24:49,418 --> 00:24:52,778
Speaker 2: Some of it is, though, And I just think for me,

488
00:24:53,938 --> 00:24:55,218
Speaker 2: and this is strictly my opinion.

489
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Speaker 4: Did you want to start here? Did you want to

490
00:24:56,538 --> 00:24:57,738
Speaker 4: start with bulls? And I go to you into this

491
00:24:57,738 --> 00:24:58,738
Speaker 4: because we can start with bulls.

492
00:24:58,778 --> 00:25:01,058
Speaker 2: No, I wanted to start with, it doesn't matter. It

493
00:25:01,098 --> 00:25:05,657
Speaker 2: didn't matter the order when it comes to Bill at UNC,

494
00:25:06,738 --> 00:25:09,858
Speaker 2: I have two different ways of looking at it that

495
00:25:10,058 --> 00:25:11,338
Speaker 2: end up in the same place, right.

496
00:25:11,418 --> 00:25:11,698
Speaker 4: Yeah.

497
00:25:11,738 --> 00:25:14,298
Speaker 2: The first place that I look at it is this

498
00:25:14,378 --> 00:25:17,858
Speaker 2: job is beneath Bill Belichick. Okay. And that's no disrespect

499
00:25:17,858 --> 00:25:20,818
Speaker 2: to the University of North Carolina. It just is beneath it.

500
00:25:20,818 --> 00:25:25,258
Speaker 2: It's a basketball school, it's an ACC program in college

501
00:25:25,298 --> 00:25:29,378
Speaker 2: football that's never really been part of the conversation of

502
00:25:29,418 --> 00:25:32,378
Speaker 2: an elite program. And on the football side of the things,

503
00:25:32,458 --> 00:25:35,898
Speaker 2: you can Dora May like that, but like Drake made

504
00:25:35,898 --> 00:25:38,258
Speaker 2: is such a great example of this. Like Drake May

505
00:25:38,498 --> 00:25:41,738
Speaker 2: was the only reason why they've been relevant in like

506
00:25:41,778 --> 00:25:44,498
Speaker 2: the last decade is because they had Drake Man. I

507
00:25:44,498 --> 00:25:47,418
Speaker 2: guess like Mitch Trubisky too, technically was an early draft pick,

508
00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:50,538
Speaker 2: but Mitch Trubisky's North Carolina teams weren't very good. It

509
00:25:50,618 --> 00:25:53,138
Speaker 2: was just that he was an NFL prospect. Drake May

510
00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:56,178
Speaker 2: took them to the a SEC Championship game his true

511
00:25:56,218 --> 00:26:00,098
Speaker 2: sophomore season. Otherwise they wouldn't even have been relevant for

512
00:26:00,138 --> 00:26:04,258
Speaker 2: the last like decade. And it's not It's not Alabama,

513
00:26:04,578 --> 00:26:08,698
Speaker 2: it's not Ohio State. It's not Georgia, it's not Texas

514
00:26:08,778 --> 00:26:11,578
Speaker 2: or not USC Like if he was gonna go to

515
00:26:11,618 --> 00:26:15,338
Speaker 2: one of those schools, then I could sit here and say, Okay,

516
00:26:15,418 --> 00:26:21,578
Speaker 2: he went to a blue blud national champion contender, year

517
00:26:21,618 --> 00:26:24,937
Speaker 2: and year out program. Right, it'd be like the college

518
00:26:24,978 --> 00:26:28,898
Speaker 2: football equivalent of inheriting the Philadelphia Eagles or like the

519
00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:31,458
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys or something like college.

520
00:26:31,498 --> 00:26:35,618
Speaker 4: So this is where I think, maybe like there's really two.

521
00:26:36,418 --> 00:26:39,178
Speaker 4: This story's fascinating because you see coaches jump back and

522
00:26:39,178 --> 00:26:42,098
Speaker 4: forth sometimes between college and the pros, but that's usually

523
00:26:42,138 --> 00:26:45,178
Speaker 4: a certain coach, Pete Carroll it was one example. I

524
00:26:45,218 --> 00:26:47,058
Speaker 4: don't know why these names are coming to be Matt Ruhl. Right.

525
00:26:48,098 --> 00:26:50,858
Speaker 4: You have these rare instances, though, where a lifer on

526
00:26:50,858 --> 00:26:53,818
Speaker 4: one side goes to the other. The most recent was

527
00:26:54,538 --> 00:27:00,138
Speaker 4: Urban Meyer, And you get a group of people that

528
00:27:00,338 --> 00:27:04,218
Speaker 4: maybe don't follow the other side regularly or closely or

529
00:27:04,218 --> 00:27:06,938
Speaker 4: with the level of familiarity, that suddenly end up on

530
00:27:06,978 --> 00:27:09,538
Speaker 4: that other side because they're following the individual. So what

531
00:27:09,618 --> 00:27:11,498
Speaker 4: you just said, for instance, right where well, it's not

532
00:27:11,538 --> 00:27:16,138
Speaker 4: one of these blue bloods. There are so few true

533
00:27:16,338 --> 00:27:20,698
Speaker 4: blue blood college football teams left that are relevant that

534
00:27:20,778 --> 00:27:23,378
Speaker 4: are considered elite no matter how good the team actually is.

535
00:27:23,658 --> 00:27:27,298
Speaker 4: There are fewer of those than ever, and those teams

536
00:27:27,378 --> 00:27:29,978
Speaker 4: just don't Usually they hire from with it, Like it's

537
00:27:30,018 --> 00:27:33,938
Speaker 4: not that from them an opening? What in college football?

538
00:27:34,018 --> 00:27:37,658
Speaker 4: Like what what the coaches do to prove themselves? You

539
00:27:37,738 --> 00:27:40,538
Speaker 4: go to that second tier school and you elevate it

540
00:27:40,578 --> 00:27:42,418
Speaker 4: to compete with the blue bloods. Look at what Dion

541
00:27:42,498 --> 00:27:43,258
Speaker 4: did in Colorado.

542
00:27:43,338 --> 00:27:45,818
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Deon, But that's a perfect example because Dion.

543
00:27:46,658 --> 00:27:49,618
Speaker 2: It couldn't have worked out better than it has with

544
00:27:49,658 --> 00:27:53,138
Speaker 2: Dion in Colorado. And part of the reason why it's

545
00:27:53,178 --> 00:27:55,818
Speaker 2: worked out so well is that his son is a

546
00:27:55,858 --> 00:27:58,898
Speaker 2: really good quarterback. So he got him by default because

547
00:27:58,898 --> 00:28:02,498
Speaker 2: that's his son. And Travis Hunter is the best player

548
00:28:02,498 --> 00:28:05,258
Speaker 2: in college football. He is, don't tell me about your

549
00:28:05,338 --> 00:28:08,258
Speaker 2: running back. Okay, he's the best player in college football.

550
00:28:08,618 --> 00:28:12,218
Speaker 2: And he was at Jackson State with Dion and like

551
00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:15,938
Speaker 2: it just like Dion. My point is that Dion kind

552
00:28:15,938 --> 00:28:17,978
Speaker 2: of got lucky that those two guys were in his

553
00:28:18,018 --> 00:28:19,218
Speaker 2: back pocket, right.

554
00:28:20,138 --> 00:28:23,098
Speaker 4: Sure, But like I'm expecting Bill to do well in

555
00:28:23,098 --> 00:28:23,578
Speaker 4: the portal.

556
00:28:24,818 --> 00:28:25,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, maybe.

557
00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:28,338
Speaker 4: Bill's not that that that Yukon team last year went

558
00:28:28,378 --> 00:28:30,778
Speaker 4: six and six with the backup quarterback Max Johnson broke

559
00:28:30,818 --> 00:28:33,778
Speaker 4: his leg first month of the season and was out right,

560
00:28:33,858 --> 00:28:37,898
Speaker 4: yeah when when And Michael Lombardi was on MCAFEW today

561
00:28:37,898 --> 00:28:39,418
Speaker 4: and he was already talking about we're going to hit

562
00:28:39,418 --> 00:28:42,178
Speaker 4: the portal heavy. When Dion showed up to Colorado, you

563
00:28:42,218 --> 00:28:44,418
Speaker 4: talk about you talk about Travis Hunter. Obviously they were

564
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:47,898
Speaker 4: big pieces, but they brought in fifty two players through

565
00:28:47,938 --> 00:28:50,378
Speaker 4: the portal and they had fifty leave. It was an

566
00:28:50,538 --> 00:28:53,978
Speaker 4: entirely new team. So can Bill go out, even if

567
00:28:54,138 --> 00:28:57,618
Speaker 4: he's they're not the guy's not his son, and get

568
00:28:57,938 --> 00:29:00,818
Speaker 4: a five star portal quarterback? I think he could. I

569
00:29:00,978 --> 00:29:02,938
Speaker 4: I think he could. I look at Malik Murphy, who's

570
00:29:02,978 --> 00:29:05,738
Speaker 4: right down the road. If Bill so, Malik Murphy was

571
00:29:05,778 --> 00:29:07,818
Speaker 4: the guy who played over right, he was the guy

572
00:29:07,818 --> 00:29:10,018
Speaker 4: who played over Arch Texas transferred to Duke last year.

573
00:29:10,018 --> 00:29:13,458
Speaker 4: He's back in the portal. If Bill shows up and

574
00:29:13,498 --> 00:29:15,738
Speaker 4: flips Duke's quarterback to UNC.

575
00:29:16,258 --> 00:29:19,018
Speaker 2: Great, But like, but why would I Why do I care?

576
00:29:19,298 --> 00:29:20,898
Speaker 2: Like this is the others my other angle.

577
00:29:20,978 --> 00:29:22,418
Speaker 4: It's it's because it's fascinating.

578
00:29:22,418 --> 00:29:25,258
Speaker 2: Why is it fascinating? Because this is why do I care?

579
00:29:25,658 --> 00:29:29,138
Speaker 2: What Bill Belichick does in two months, you know whatever?

580
00:29:29,298 --> 00:29:31,218
Speaker 2: How many months? Six months? For now when we get

581
00:29:31,258 --> 00:29:34,018
Speaker 2: back to college football next fall and he's coaching, you know,

582
00:29:34,378 --> 00:29:37,178
Speaker 2: at North Carolina down in Chapel Hill next year, Like,

583
00:29:37,258 --> 00:29:41,018
Speaker 2: what do I care about North Carolina n C State

584
00:29:41,378 --> 00:29:44,618
Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick coaching a college football game for twelve

585
00:29:44,658 --> 00:29:46,498
Speaker 2: pm on a Saturday on free Form?

586
00:29:46,618 --> 00:29:49,578
Speaker 4: So what is all c W?

587
00:29:49,578 --> 00:29:52,738
Speaker 2: Why would I care? Why would I watch? Like? Am

588
00:29:52,778 --> 00:29:56,538
Speaker 2: I gonna start doing like film breakdowns on if.

589
00:29:56,418 --> 00:29:58,818
Speaker 4: You always complained college football? Well, it's so basic. They

590
00:29:58,858 --> 00:29:59,778
Speaker 4: only run you know.

591
00:30:00,378 --> 00:30:02,618
Speaker 2: That's another piece of it though, and you give your

592
00:30:02,658 --> 00:30:04,178
Speaker 2: take and can.

593
00:30:04,138 --> 00:30:09,538
Speaker 4: Bill put some more complex systems into the college game?

594
00:30:09,898 --> 00:30:14,578
Speaker 4: And that No, just no, you're not you're not even

595
00:30:14,618 --> 00:30:15,898
Speaker 4: open to the possibility of it.

596
00:30:17,218 --> 00:30:20,418
Speaker 2: Not at that program. No, that pro okay, but.

597
00:30:20,378 --> 00:30:23,218
Speaker 4: You need to move on from the idea of that

598
00:30:23,298 --> 00:30:27,698
Speaker 4: program because Colorado was that program. Colorado wasn't.

599
00:30:27,738 --> 00:30:30,258
Speaker 2: But Colorado can't do that either. Like that's the other

600
00:30:30,498 --> 00:30:33,258
Speaker 2: them into this that I find fascinating, Uh, that I

601
00:30:33,338 --> 00:30:36,378
Speaker 2: just can't wrap my head around, is like, okay, so

602
00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,858
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna treat it like an NFL team. Yeah, right,

603
00:30:38,858 --> 00:30:40,618
Speaker 2: where it's good. You're like you just said, they're gonna

604
00:30:40,658 --> 00:30:42,618
Speaker 2: hit the portal and they're gonna be fifty in and

605
00:30:42,658 --> 00:30:44,818
Speaker 2: fifty out. It's gonna be like the draft and free

606
00:30:44,818 --> 00:30:47,218
Speaker 2: agency right where the whole roster is gonna turn over

607
00:30:47,338 --> 00:30:51,178
Speaker 2: essentially in one offseason. I I totally get that. But

608
00:30:51,298 --> 00:30:54,258
Speaker 2: my biggest thing with for Bill from a coaching standpoint

609
00:30:54,258 --> 00:30:56,698
Speaker 2: with this is that what you're gonna You're gonna start

610
00:30:56,778 --> 00:30:59,858
Speaker 2: running match coverages, and you're gonna start running uh, you know,

611
00:31:00,058 --> 00:31:03,298
Speaker 2: creeper schemes, and you're gonna start running Tomahawk blitzes and

612
00:31:03,338 --> 00:31:05,258
Speaker 2: all these different things that they did here. Are you

613
00:31:05,338 --> 00:31:11,698
Speaker 2: gonna play forty five percent man coverage? I really college kids?

614
00:31:11,778 --> 00:31:12,658
Speaker 4: I really think they might.

615
00:31:12,778 --> 00:31:15,138
Speaker 2: Alwa's gonna get torched, is he? Yes?

616
00:31:15,178 --> 00:31:15,858
Speaker 4: In the ACC?

617
00:31:16,218 --> 00:31:18,858
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't do that. And because you just don't

618
00:31:18,898 --> 00:31:20,898
Speaker 2: have the horses, like, you don't have the personnel to do,

619
00:31:21,418 --> 00:31:23,578
Speaker 2: don't have Stefan Gilmour to go out there.

620
00:31:23,978 --> 00:31:26,218
Speaker 4: First of all, you're not facing the same level of opponents.

621
00:31:26,258 --> 00:31:28,698
Speaker 2: I get that, But I'm more talking about, like the scheme, the.

622
00:31:28,618 --> 00:31:30,938
Speaker 4: Best wide receiver in the ACC just transfer out case

623
00:31:30,938 --> 00:31:32,818
Speaker 4: he conception on well, we don't know where he's going yet,

624
00:31:32,818 --> 00:31:36,338
Speaker 4: but he's leaving m C State. They What makes it

625
00:31:36,378 --> 00:31:40,578
Speaker 4: so interesting to me is you never Bill is the

626
00:31:40,618 --> 00:31:44,578
Speaker 4: greatest NFL coach of all time, period, full stop. There

627
00:31:44,618 --> 00:31:46,778
Speaker 4: is a strong arguments we made that he's the greatest

628
00:31:46,778 --> 00:31:48,738
Speaker 4: coach in the history of the sport, period, full stop.

629
00:31:49,058 --> 00:31:53,098
Speaker 4: A lot of these guys don't have that crossover. This

630
00:31:53,138 --> 00:31:54,938
Speaker 4: is something that goes on. I remember having this argument

631
00:31:54,938 --> 00:31:58,098
Speaker 4: with somebody once about coach k is coach k the

632
00:31:58,138 --> 00:32:00,498
Speaker 4: greatest coach in basketball history, the greatest coach in college

633
00:32:00,538 --> 00:32:05,018
Speaker 4: basketball history. I okay, well, this person was a big

634
00:32:05,098 --> 00:32:07,298
Speaker 4: Duke fan, so they clearly thought. But like the point is,

635
00:32:08,098 --> 00:32:09,818
Speaker 4: so a lot of people have talked about Schooles's record

636
00:32:09,898 --> 00:32:11,778
Speaker 4: and what that would mean for Bill as an NFL

637
00:32:11,818 --> 00:32:14,058
Speaker 4: head coach. I don't think he needs Shoul's record to

638
00:32:14,058 --> 00:32:15,818
Speaker 4: be the greatest NFL head coach of all time. He

639
00:32:15,818 --> 00:32:19,258
Speaker 4: already is. You know, there are very few things that

640
00:32:19,298 --> 00:32:22,578
Speaker 4: could actually add to Bill Belichick's resume in terms of

641
00:32:22,618 --> 00:32:25,818
Speaker 4: like what he's accomplished. Do you know how many coaches

642
00:32:25,858 --> 00:32:28,018
Speaker 4: have won both a Super Bowl in the National Championship?

643
00:32:29,458 --> 00:32:29,938
Speaker 2: Not many?

644
00:32:30,138 --> 00:32:34,418
Speaker 4: Three? You know who they are? Pete Carroll, Barry Switzer, Yeah,

645
00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:35,898
Speaker 4: and Jimmy Johnson.

646
00:32:36,138 --> 00:32:39,738
Speaker 2: That's that's an interesting group. I would not have guessed

647
00:32:39,738 --> 00:32:40,418
Speaker 2: Barry Switzer.

648
00:32:41,018 --> 00:32:44,858
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the what everybody forgets. But like you had that,

649
00:32:45,498 --> 00:32:47,658
Speaker 4: and Bill's never gonna be He doesn't have enough time

650
00:32:47,658 --> 00:32:49,338
Speaker 4: to be the greatest college coach of all time. He's

651
00:32:49,338 --> 00:32:51,538
Speaker 4: not He's not catching Saban Like, that's not gonna happen.

652
00:32:51,778 --> 00:32:52,978
Speaker 4: He's not gonna be there that long.

653
00:32:53,498 --> 00:32:57,898
Speaker 2: It just doesn't like he knows himself doesn't matter.

654
00:32:58,418 --> 00:33:00,858
Speaker 4: I think you're in the minority on that. I don't

655
00:33:00,858 --> 00:33:01,778
Speaker 4: find it fascinating.

656
00:33:02,538 --> 00:33:06,498
Speaker 2: You like college football. It's not just college in the

657
00:33:06,498 --> 00:33:08,858
Speaker 2: state of Massachusetts that cares about college football.

658
00:33:09,058 --> 00:33:12,698
Speaker 4: That's changing. I put out a poll last night. There's

659
00:33:13,578 --> 00:33:16,098
Speaker 4: people said they're gonna follow you at The reality is,

660
00:33:16,138 --> 00:33:18,058
Speaker 4: once we start following the stuff, you get hooked.

661
00:33:18,218 --> 00:33:22,218
Speaker 2: Look, no, there's a difference between yeah, like I'll follow it,

662
00:33:22,458 --> 00:33:26,738
Speaker 2: like you know, I'll I'll know what they're they're doing relatively,

663
00:33:26,898 --> 00:33:27,938
Speaker 2: and you know, if the.

664
00:33:28,098 --> 00:33:30,818
Speaker 4: College football hooks people, that's what it does. It hooks, Yes,

665
00:33:30,858 --> 00:33:33,218
Speaker 4: it does. It doesn't hook you, hook me, It doesn't

666
00:33:33,258 --> 00:33:35,258
Speaker 4: hook you, but it hooks people. And that's the other

667
00:33:35,338 --> 00:33:36,978
Speaker 4: element to this, to go back to my point about

668
00:33:36,978 --> 00:33:40,618
Speaker 4: you have two different groups looking at this. Yesterday is

669
00:33:40,658 --> 00:33:43,938
Speaker 4: a major win for the sport of college football. I

670
00:33:43,978 --> 00:33:45,338
Speaker 4: think it's a win for football as a whole.

671
00:33:45,698 --> 00:33:50,098
Speaker 2: Belichick at that level crazy that you think that this

672
00:33:50,218 --> 00:33:53,578
Speaker 2: is good for football, that Bill Belichick is not going

673
00:33:53,658 --> 00:33:55,578
Speaker 2: to be coaching in the NFL and he's going to

674
00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:59,578
Speaker 2: be coaching North Carolina Bill Belichick, Well, no.

675
00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,138
Speaker 4: But I think it's better than him working in media.

676
00:34:01,178 --> 00:34:02,938
Speaker 4: I think it's better than him not beat not having

677
00:34:03,018 --> 00:34:03,538
Speaker 4: hands hoffs.

678
00:34:04,018 --> 00:34:08,497
Speaker 2: It's the best part of this interesting. Only interesting part

679
00:34:08,498 --> 00:34:11,897
Speaker 2: of this story to me is why isn't Bill in

680
00:34:11,898 --> 00:34:14,538
Speaker 2: the NFL? Like that's the only interesting part of the

681
00:34:14,578 --> 00:34:17,778
Speaker 2: story to me, because the other piece of this that

682
00:34:17,777 --> 00:34:20,898
Speaker 2: that irks me, and this is just on a personal level,

683
00:34:21,098 --> 00:34:23,897
Speaker 2: it just irks me. I understand a lot of people

684
00:34:23,978 --> 00:34:27,538
Speaker 2: don't care about this side of it, but the you know,

685
00:34:27,578 --> 00:34:32,258
Speaker 2: you're texting me this morning that that college football that

686
00:34:32,297 --> 00:34:34,538
Speaker 2: Bill is was disgusted by the.

687
00:34:34,498 --> 00:34:36,858
Speaker 4: State a quote.

688
00:34:36,938 --> 00:34:39,498
Speaker 2: I know, but you're the one that told me that

689
00:34:39,538 --> 00:34:43,777
Speaker 2: this came out right, that he's disgusted and that the

690
00:34:43,898 --> 00:34:47,658
Speaker 2: words that you used were that college football. After you said,

691
00:34:47,658 --> 00:34:50,418
Speaker 2: this is my coach because he likes college football better

692
00:34:50,458 --> 00:34:53,458
Speaker 2: than the NFL. You said that this is the purest

693
00:34:53,538 --> 00:34:58,178
Speaker 2: form of football. Blah, Like just blah, all right, And

694
00:34:58,218 --> 00:35:01,218
Speaker 2: then all I'm getting at here with this is like

695
00:35:01,418 --> 00:35:04,218
Speaker 2: stop it with the spin zone, Like can we just

696
00:35:04,458 --> 00:35:07,538
Speaker 2: be real? Can we just stop it? Like he did?

697
00:35:07,618 --> 00:35:10,218
Speaker 2: This was not his choice, This was not his first

698
00:35:10,298 --> 00:35:12,738
Speaker 2: choice to go coach in North Carolina, Like just be

699
00:35:12,818 --> 00:35:15,258
Speaker 2: a human being and be real for one what.

700
00:35:15,578 --> 00:35:18,777
Speaker 4: Do you but what do you want? Like you won't

701
00:35:18,858 --> 00:35:22,458
Speaker 4: leave open the monoker of a possibility that there grew

702
00:35:22,578 --> 00:35:23,777
Speaker 4: up around the college game.

703
00:35:23,938 --> 00:35:29,058
Speaker 2: There is a zero point zero percent chance that Bill Belichick,

704
00:35:29,218 --> 00:35:33,218
Speaker 2: if he had his pick, would pick North Carolina over

705
00:35:33,298 --> 00:35:37,777
Speaker 2: coaching an NFL team. Zero point zero. There is no way.

706
00:35:38,338 --> 00:35:41,098
Speaker 2: And all of this stuff that's coming out, the Wickersham

707
00:35:41,178 --> 00:35:43,618
Speaker 2: article and all this stuff that's coming out about how

708
00:35:43,698 --> 00:35:46,258
Speaker 2: he was done with the no, the NFL was done

709
00:35:46,338 --> 00:35:49,058
Speaker 2: with you, And if we could just have that conversation

710
00:35:49,218 --> 00:35:51,578
Speaker 2: like real people, then I'd be open to it.

711
00:35:51,618 --> 00:35:54,138
Speaker 4: What does that say more about the NFL or Bill Belichick?

712
00:35:54,858 --> 00:35:57,498
Speaker 2: It's irrelevant to the point that I'm trying to make,

713
00:35:57,818 --> 00:35:59,658
Speaker 2: Like the point that I am trying to make is

714
00:35:59,698 --> 00:36:03,338
Speaker 2: that every single time something goes down with Bill the

715
00:36:03,418 --> 00:36:06,498
Speaker 2: spin zone that has to happen after it. Like you

716
00:36:06,538 --> 00:36:09,138
Speaker 2: don't need that, dude, Like you don't need it. You're

717
00:36:09,218 --> 00:36:12,138
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. You're the greatest coach of all time in

718
00:36:12,138 --> 00:36:15,138
Speaker 2: my mind. You don't need to then send Mike Lombardi

719
00:36:15,218 --> 00:36:18,498
Speaker 2: on every single show and talk about how college is

720
00:36:18,538 --> 00:36:21,418
Speaker 2: such a better job than the NFL at this point,

721
00:36:21,458 --> 00:36:24,778
Speaker 2: and how you know this is really a much better

722
00:36:24,898 --> 00:36:29,058
Speaker 2: situation for Bill. Come on, Like everyone knows that Bill

723
00:36:29,098 --> 00:36:32,018
Speaker 2: would rather be coaching in the end NFL. Everybody knows

724
00:36:32,058 --> 00:36:34,738
Speaker 2: that he'd rather be chasing Shula, and that he'd be

725
00:36:34,738 --> 00:36:37,698
Speaker 2: better off in the NFL and all those types of things.

726
00:36:37,738 --> 00:36:39,938
Speaker 2: Like everyone knows that that's where he wants to be.

727
00:36:40,378 --> 00:36:43,858
Speaker 2: It's if you want to talk about whose fault is

728
00:36:43,858 --> 00:36:47,738
Speaker 2: that that is more interesting to me than North Carolina

729
00:36:47,938 --> 00:36:50,218
Speaker 2: for Central Florida in October.

730
00:36:50,218 --> 00:36:53,778
Speaker 4: You don't think that there's a little bit of a possibility.

731
00:36:53,778 --> 00:36:56,777
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not his first top choice. I think his

732
00:36:56,818 --> 00:36:58,618
Speaker 4: first top choice would have been to finish here and

733
00:36:58,618 --> 00:37:02,138
Speaker 4: get the record here, right, But you don't think that

734
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:04,938
Speaker 4: there's a little bit of a possibility that he grew

735
00:37:04,978 --> 00:37:07,218
Speaker 4: up around the college game. He was raised in it,

736
00:37:07,738 --> 00:37:10,378
Speaker 4: and he's had an affinity for it. And there was

737
00:37:10,458 --> 00:37:13,338
Speaker 4: never really an opportunity for him to leave or for

738
00:37:13,458 --> 00:37:15,418
Speaker 4: him to go to make that jump, Like he was

739
00:37:15,458 --> 00:37:18,298
Speaker 4: on the NFL path he was with Parcels. That was

740
00:37:18,338 --> 00:37:20,698
Speaker 4: the path to becoming a head coach, not going to college.

741
00:37:20,698 --> 00:37:23,297
Speaker 4: It was sticking with Parcels. Did that got here? He

742
00:37:23,378 --> 00:37:25,538
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna leave here for a college job with the

743
00:37:25,538 --> 00:37:28,378
Speaker 4: success he was having. Now he has an opportunity to

744
00:37:28,418 --> 00:37:31,338
Speaker 4: do it, and it's this is it. Like if he

745
00:37:31,378 --> 00:37:33,218
Speaker 4: ever wanted to coach college football, this is it. And

746
00:37:33,258 --> 00:37:35,658
Speaker 4: maybe it was always somebody wanted to try. Maybe it's

747
00:37:35,658 --> 00:37:37,258
Speaker 4: not his first option, but maybe it was somebody he

748
00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:41,538
Speaker 4: wanted to try. And you keep bringing up unceivers, UCF whatever.

749
00:37:42,098 --> 00:37:44,058
Speaker 4: He's the greatest coach of all time. If he's putting

750
00:37:44,058 --> 00:37:46,578
Speaker 4: a team on the field, it's inherently interesting to see

751
00:37:46,618 --> 00:37:48,777
Speaker 4: what that looks like. You're acting like and I'll even

752
00:37:48,818 --> 00:37:51,218
Speaker 4: I'll even slayer my own brand here. You're acting like

753
00:37:51,258 --> 00:37:53,138
Speaker 4: he went to the the UFL. You're acting like he

754
00:37:53,178 --> 00:37:54,058
Speaker 4: went to the spring league.

755
00:37:54,178 --> 00:37:57,378
Speaker 2: No, if he did that, I'd be like, yeah, I'm

756
00:37:57,378 --> 00:38:03,178
Speaker 2: being real about this. I I agree that come next fall,

757
00:38:03,658 --> 00:38:07,458
Speaker 2: people will be generally aware of what's going on at

758
00:38:07,498 --> 00:38:10,858
Speaker 2: North Carolina. I would say, in a lot of ways,

759
00:38:10,898 --> 00:38:13,658
Speaker 2: it's similar to Bill O'Brien going to Boston College, right,

760
00:38:13,658 --> 00:38:15,898
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't the main story in town by any

761
00:38:15,938 --> 00:38:20,218
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination, Bill Belichick, But you really truly

762
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:24,498
Speaker 2: think that, Like your station is gonna be doing full

763
00:38:24,618 --> 00:38:26,898
Speaker 2: segments on what is going on with North Caroline.

764
00:38:26,898 --> 00:38:29,458
Speaker 4: I think on Monday you'll probably get a segment of

765
00:38:29,658 --> 00:38:31,218
Speaker 4: what do you think of the North Carolina game? Would

766
00:38:31,218 --> 00:38:33,418
Speaker 4: you think the job Bill did this week? Do it?

767
00:38:33,498 --> 00:38:34,298
Speaker 2: That's my station.

768
00:38:34,378 --> 00:38:35,458
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it on the website.

769
00:38:35,498 --> 00:38:38,738
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's absolutely crazy. If people are gonna be

770
00:38:38,778 --> 00:38:40,098
Speaker 2: actually sitting.

771
00:38:39,778 --> 00:38:42,297
Speaker 4: Down if we did we did, if we did full

772
00:38:42,418 --> 00:38:44,618
Speaker 4: days of Brady and Tampa. I think Bill in North

773
00:38:44,658 --> 00:38:46,817
Speaker 4: Carolina gets a segment that I'm not saying it's gonna

774
00:38:46,858 --> 00:38:47,818
Speaker 4: be as close as Brady and.

775
00:38:47,858 --> 00:38:50,418
Speaker 2: Tem so different and Brady and Tampa was so much

776
00:38:50,498 --> 00:38:52,738
Speaker 2: more compelling. Like I think that's the do.

777
00:38:52,738 --> 00:38:54,978
Speaker 4: You remember what everybody said when Brady went to go

778
00:38:55,018 --> 00:38:59,098
Speaker 4: to Tampa barely an NFL team. It's like the same thing,

779
00:39:00,458 --> 00:39:02,058
Speaker 4: people the same thing.

780
00:39:02,178 --> 00:39:04,538
Speaker 2: I I just I don't want to keep laboring Bill

781
00:39:04,618 --> 00:39:07,337
Speaker 2: because I really don't care. But at the same time,

782
00:39:07,418 --> 00:39:09,817
Speaker 2: I just the part of that irks me about this

783
00:39:10,218 --> 00:39:12,777
Speaker 2: is that it would have been so much more interesting

784
00:39:13,178 --> 00:39:15,298
Speaker 2: to see what he did with an NFL team, Like

785
00:39:15,378 --> 00:39:18,898
Speaker 2: could he get back to the top in the NFL.

786
00:39:18,978 --> 00:39:20,018
Speaker 4: I think this is more challenge.

787
00:39:21,538 --> 00:39:25,218
Speaker 2: You just will not admit that anything bad about college football.

788
00:39:25,258 --> 00:39:26,258
Speaker 2: You just won't.

789
00:39:26,458 --> 00:39:28,378
Speaker 4: I was saying the college team is more of a

790
00:39:28,458 --> 00:39:32,378
Speaker 4: challenge because because a good pay for college.

791
00:39:32,978 --> 00:39:34,978
Speaker 2: What's the ceiling for him at North Carolina?

792
00:39:35,178 --> 00:39:36,297
Speaker 4: Like national championship?

793
00:39:36,298 --> 00:39:38,578
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no way he's winning a national championship.

794
00:39:39,058 --> 00:39:42,178
Speaker 4: You don't think there's any shot in that conference. You

795
00:39:42,258 --> 00:39:47,178
Speaker 4: can't even get to the college football Playoff. No, he

796
00:39:47,258 --> 00:39:50,098
Speaker 4: made the pitch on McAfee the other day. This program

797
00:39:50,218 --> 00:39:53,698
Speaker 4: is going to be geared solely around getting players ready

798
00:39:53,858 --> 00:39:56,818
Speaker 4: for the NFL. That is going to resonate with a

799
00:39:56,858 --> 00:40:00,417
Speaker 4: lot of players in the portal high school recruits. That's

800
00:40:00,418 --> 00:40:01,778
Speaker 4: going to resonate a lot.

801
00:40:01,898 --> 00:40:03,938
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's not going to attract players.

802
00:40:04,058 --> 00:40:06,978
Speaker 2: I agree. You know, we had this conversation on PU

803
00:40:07,378 --> 00:40:11,058
Speaker 2: as a story was developing, and the whole thing, And

804
00:40:11,138 --> 00:40:13,618
Speaker 2: I think this is a really interesting point that you

805
00:40:13,738 --> 00:40:15,978
Speaker 2: can kind of speak to more than most people, right,

806
00:40:16,298 --> 00:40:22,337
Speaker 2: Like the whole point of oh, like, you know, he's

807
00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:24,378
Speaker 2: going to have to go on a seventeen year old's

808
00:40:24,418 --> 00:40:27,258
Speaker 2: couch and recruit them to come play North football in

809
00:40:27,338 --> 00:40:28,138
Speaker 2: North Carolina.

810
00:40:28,258 --> 00:40:29,858
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no, that's not the kind of

811
00:40:29,898 --> 00:40:30,458
Speaker 4: kids he's recruits.

812
00:40:30,538 --> 00:40:33,618
Speaker 2: He's gonna recruit out of the portal. And Mike Lombardi

813
00:40:33,698 --> 00:40:38,218
Speaker 2: went on visiting his old station, old network, and he

814
00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:42,778
Speaker 2: mentioned that they are going to build an NFL front

815
00:40:42,778 --> 00:40:47,698
Speaker 2: office in college football at North Carolina where they are

816
00:40:47,738 --> 00:40:51,578
Speaker 2: going to have their primary responsibility is going to be

817
00:40:51,618 --> 00:40:54,178
Speaker 2: scouting the portal. It's not going to be scouting the

818
00:40:54,218 --> 00:40:58,418
Speaker 2: sixteen year old at you know, a freaking odesci Permian,

819
00:40:58,658 --> 00:41:01,058
Speaker 2: right Like, it's that's not what they're gonna They'll do

820
00:41:01,138 --> 00:41:03,458
Speaker 2: that because you have to. But let's face it, Bill's

821
00:41:03,458 --> 00:41:06,098
Speaker 2: seventy two years old. So like once that sixteen year

822
00:41:06,138 --> 00:41:08,978
Speaker 2: old kid gets to North Carolina and is ready to

823
00:41:08,978 --> 00:41:11,178
Speaker 2: play in a game in North Carolina, he might even

824
00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:11,777
Speaker 2: be the coach there.

825
00:41:11,858 --> 00:41:13,777
Speaker 4: That's why I think Bill's gonna be there for three years.

826
00:41:13,778 --> 00:41:16,178
Speaker 4: It's gonna be this first for I mean, it'll be

827
00:41:16,258 --> 00:41:19,578
Speaker 4: portal heavy, but this first freshman class will be his class.

828
00:41:19,618 --> 00:41:22,098
Speaker 4: These are gonna be the kids that he's going with.

829
00:41:22,578 --> 00:41:25,258
Speaker 4: And the guy to watch that I'm gonna be fascinated

830
00:41:25,298 --> 00:41:29,898
Speaker 4: with is a guy named Faizon Brandon. So the number

831
00:41:30,178 --> 00:41:33,938
Speaker 4: so the one thing our old friend Track Yeah, tweeted

832
00:41:33,938 --> 00:41:36,338
Speaker 4: this yesterday. He said, you know, as Bill gets a

833
00:41:36,378 --> 00:41:38,338
Speaker 4: going at UNC, it's all going to be about finding

834
00:41:38,378 --> 00:41:40,618
Speaker 4: the irony of Bill has to find the next Drake May.

835
00:41:40,858 --> 00:41:42,658
Speaker 4: He left the Patriots, goes to UNC. Now he has

836
00:41:42,658 --> 00:41:45,098
Speaker 4: to find the next Drake May. The one thing UNC

837
00:41:45,258 --> 00:41:49,418
Speaker 4: has always done well as a program, better than probably

838
00:41:49,458 --> 00:41:53,018
Speaker 4: any program in the country outside of maybe USC, is

839
00:41:53,418 --> 00:41:57,778
Speaker 4: the top in state quarterbacks stay in state good University

840
00:41:57,818 --> 00:42:00,498
Speaker 4: of North Good Quarterbacks from the state of North Carolina

841
00:42:00,698 --> 00:42:03,778
Speaker 4: play at the University of North Carolina. Just so happens.

842
00:42:04,098 --> 00:42:06,738
Speaker 4: So the guy in this upcoming class twenty twenty five

843
00:42:06,778 --> 00:42:10,138
Speaker 4: graduating this year, number one North Carolina quarterback, he's already

844
00:42:10,138 --> 00:42:11,898
Speaker 4: committed to UNC. We'll see if that sticks, but I

845
00:42:11,898 --> 00:42:16,018
Speaker 4: would imagine it will. Yeah, Class twenty twenty six, the

846
00:42:16,138 --> 00:42:19,258
Speaker 4: number one quarterback from North Carolina is actually the number

847
00:42:19,258 --> 00:42:21,658
Speaker 4: one recruit in the country. Yeah, he's a guy named

848
00:42:21,698 --> 00:42:22,778
Speaker 4: Faizon Brandon.

849
00:42:23,218 --> 00:42:24,658
Speaker 2: In fact, that from Greensboro.

850
00:42:24,698 --> 00:42:27,298
Speaker 4: I looked usup last night from Greensboro, less than an

851
00:42:27,298 --> 00:42:30,978
Speaker 4: hour from Chapel Hill. Yeah, he's currently committed to Tennessee.

852
00:42:32,218 --> 00:42:35,018
Speaker 4: Does Bill go and try to Benedict Arnold on our

853
00:42:35,058 --> 00:42:37,578
Speaker 4: hands here? Does Bill? Does Bill go and try to

854
00:42:37,578 --> 00:42:40,458
Speaker 4: flip skip right over? Because if because I know what

855
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:41,498
Speaker 4: you meant, If.

856
00:42:41,298 --> 00:42:44,258
Speaker 2: Bill does her, he's a trader. That's what it means.

857
00:42:44,418 --> 00:42:48,618
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I mean, uh, Tennessee recruits heavily North Carolina

858
00:42:48,658 --> 00:42:51,817
Speaker 4: for other positions with the guns quarterback. If Bill goes

859
00:42:51,858 --> 00:42:54,618
Speaker 4: and and Faison was asked about this, that's the impact

860
00:42:54,618 --> 00:42:57,058
Speaker 4: of Bill Belichick. They're asking the number one recruit in

861
00:42:57,098 --> 00:43:00,578
Speaker 4: the country, who was already committed, what did you think?

862
00:43:00,818 --> 00:43:03,298
Speaker 4: And he went down. So he says talent. So the

863
00:43:03,378 --> 00:43:05,218
Speaker 4: kid says, yeah, you know, it's a good hire. I

864
00:43:05,218 --> 00:43:07,618
Speaker 4: don't think i'd take a call from him. He said

865
00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:10,618
Speaker 4: an nil deal through the email. Right, So if Bill,

866
00:43:11,298 --> 00:43:13,738
Speaker 4: if Bill flips him or I talked about earlier Malik

867
00:43:13,818 --> 00:43:17,857
Speaker 4: Murphy Lake, yeah, you can get he could make such

868
00:43:17,858 --> 00:43:19,857
Speaker 4: a splash and then it all just floods in from there.

869
00:43:19,898 --> 00:43:21,258
Speaker 4: And that's all fascinating to me.

870
00:43:22,058 --> 00:43:25,337
Speaker 2: Okay, I I know that's fascinating to you, and I'm

871
00:43:25,858 --> 00:43:27,618
Speaker 2: a piece of me is kind of happy for you

872
00:43:27,698 --> 00:43:29,817
Speaker 2: because I know that this is this is like your

873
00:43:29,818 --> 00:43:33,178
Speaker 2: two worlds alliding and and good for people like you

874
00:43:33,858 --> 00:43:37,098
Speaker 2: that that like college football for beyond just the draft,

875
00:43:37,138 --> 00:43:38,817
Speaker 2: because this is this is a this is a win

876
00:43:38,898 --> 00:43:40,777
Speaker 2: for you. This is a win for you, guys. So

877
00:43:40,818 --> 00:43:43,018
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised at all that this is your take

878
00:43:43,258 --> 00:43:43,938
Speaker 2: on this whole shit.

879
00:43:44,018 --> 00:43:45,418
Speaker 4: I bring up one more point because I see it

880
00:43:45,418 --> 00:43:47,817
Speaker 4: in the chat about Bill being able to recruit.

881
00:43:47,658 --> 00:43:49,538
Speaker 2: I cause I don't. But that's not what I'm doubting.

882
00:43:49,778 --> 00:43:51,778
Speaker 4: Well no, but like that's not what's interesting.

883
00:43:51,818 --> 00:43:51,978
Speaker 5: Thing.

884
00:43:52,018 --> 00:43:54,538
Speaker 2: He's just he's Bill Belichick. You shouldn't be coaching it

885
00:43:54,658 --> 00:43:56,618
Speaker 2: North Carolina, all right.

886
00:43:57,098 --> 00:43:58,738
Speaker 4: Like the the thing I was gonna say is because

887
00:43:58,738 --> 00:44:00,418
Speaker 4: some people are all right, well, how's he gonna resonate

888
00:44:00,418 --> 00:44:01,978
Speaker 4: with these young kids at least when it comes to recruiting.

889
00:44:01,978 --> 00:44:03,938
Speaker 4: It's one thing when you get him in the program.

890
00:44:04,138 --> 00:44:06,818
Speaker 4: Recruiting is a lot about the parents, and the parents

891
00:44:07,018 --> 00:44:10,138
Speaker 4: saw Bill win for how many years The kids, you know,

892
00:44:10,178 --> 00:44:13,298
Speaker 4: maybe a little younger, but I think it's gonna be fascinating.

893
00:44:13,498 --> 00:44:15,658
Speaker 4: You're the greatest coach of all time taking on a

894
00:44:15,698 --> 00:44:19,058
Speaker 4: new challenge. I'm gonna be locked in. I think more

895
00:44:19,098 --> 00:44:20,858
Speaker 4: people are gonna be locked in than you realize.

896
00:44:21,698 --> 00:44:24,857
Speaker 2: Okay, I look, if they are, they are, I'll own

897
00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:26,738
Speaker 2: up to it. In the fall off, if people are

898
00:44:26,778 --> 00:44:29,778
Speaker 2: glued to their televisions on there on Saturdays to watch

899
00:44:30,218 --> 00:44:35,498
Speaker 2: you know, North Carolina versus Chattanooga, I'll take it back. Okay,

900
00:44:35,858 --> 00:44:36,458
Speaker 2: I'll take it back.

901
00:44:36,538 --> 00:44:37,777
Speaker 4: They don't play Chattanooga's here.

902
00:44:37,818 --> 00:44:39,578
Speaker 2: And I also, just like I want to be clear,

903
00:44:39,938 --> 00:44:42,738
Speaker 2: like this is not a negative Bill take Like I

904
00:44:42,738 --> 00:44:45,098
Speaker 2: get we're getting emails of me being negative. Like it's

905
00:44:45,098 --> 00:44:47,777
Speaker 2: not anti Bill, like it's nothing. It's actually pro Bill.

906
00:44:47,978 --> 00:44:49,618
Speaker 2: Like I think Bill should be in the NFL. That's

907
00:44:49,618 --> 00:44:52,138
Speaker 2: where he belongs. He should have a job in the NFL.

908
00:44:53,138 --> 00:44:55,698
Speaker 2: It was time here, It just was time, all right.

909
00:44:55,738 --> 00:44:58,138
Speaker 2: It was twenty five years. It was a great run.

910
00:44:58,298 --> 00:45:01,858
Speaker 2: But that's a long long time in the in professional

911
00:45:01,938 --> 00:45:04,377
Speaker 2: sports to have the same coach. It happens a little

912
00:45:04,378 --> 00:45:06,578
Speaker 2: bit more in college, right where you have these long

913
00:45:06,658 --> 00:45:10,698
Speaker 2: legacy coaches, right, But in the NFL. That's a long time,

914
00:45:10,738 --> 00:45:13,297
Speaker 2: and it had just sort of what's the words I'm

915
00:45:13,298 --> 00:45:16,338
Speaker 2: looking for, it had run its course with the Patriots.

916
00:45:16,658 --> 00:45:18,698
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that I felt felt like he shouldn't

917
00:45:18,698 --> 00:45:21,418
Speaker 2: be coaching in the league. And I'm just disappointed that

918
00:45:21,458 --> 00:45:23,018
Speaker 2: we don't get to see what he would do with

919
00:45:23,058 --> 00:45:24,898
Speaker 2: a different NFL program. That's it.

920
00:45:24,938 --> 00:45:26,378
Speaker 4: Well, but is that on him or is that on

921
00:45:26,418 --> 00:45:26,858
Speaker 4: the league?

922
00:45:26,898 --> 00:45:30,018
Speaker 2: Well, that part, to me is the more fascinating conversation.

923
00:45:30,738 --> 00:45:33,618
Speaker 2: Will he succeed at North Carolina? Because I think he

924
00:45:33,818 --> 00:45:35,698
Speaker 2: will do a good job because he's Bill Belichick and

925
00:45:35,698 --> 00:45:37,338
Speaker 2: he's pretty much done a good job everywhere.

926
00:45:37,538 --> 00:45:39,298
Speaker 4: Right, So I just said, you don't think he win

927
00:45:39,458 --> 00:45:40,338
Speaker 4: national championship.

928
00:45:40,378 --> 00:45:42,178
Speaker 2: I don't think you can win a national championship. But

929
00:45:42,218 --> 00:45:43,378
Speaker 2: that's not because you think you can get to the

930
00:45:43,378 --> 00:45:47,378
Speaker 2: college Football payoff now as twelve teams Like, yeah, maybe

931
00:45:47,858 --> 00:45:48,418
Speaker 2: the ACC.

932
00:45:48,458 --> 00:45:49,978
Speaker 4: So he's basically just to win the ACC. I think

933
00:45:49,978 --> 00:45:53,698
Speaker 4: he can win the ACC. Well, you I cannot wait

934
00:45:53,898 --> 00:45:56,618
Speaker 4: to watch him hang seventy on DABO. That is going

935
00:45:56,938 --> 00:46:00,138
Speaker 4: And people who like we only talk NFL here you

936
00:46:00,138 --> 00:46:03,498
Speaker 4: hear me talk about Kylee Shanahaning. These guys you don't

937
00:46:03,538 --> 00:46:04,858
Speaker 4: even know how I feel about Dabo.

938
00:46:05,138 --> 00:46:07,578
Speaker 2: So I do think that there's a possibility to make

939
00:46:07,578 --> 00:46:09,618
Speaker 2: the College Football Playoff because of what you just said.

940
00:46:09,698 --> 00:46:11,658
Speaker 2: You win the ACC, it's an automatic bid, you're in.

941
00:46:12,178 --> 00:46:14,538
Speaker 4: You get in, and you talk about this a lot.

942
00:46:14,618 --> 00:46:17,857
Speaker 4: It's it's your best college football Take that to win

943
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,218
Speaker 4: a national championship in college football. So about the line?

944
00:46:20,378 --> 00:46:20,618
Speaker 2: Yep?

945
00:46:20,898 --> 00:46:23,338
Speaker 4: Right? Are you built big enough up front? Because the

946
00:46:23,378 --> 00:46:26,897
Speaker 4: SEC teams are generally just so much bigger than every

947
00:46:26,898 --> 00:46:29,218
Speaker 4: other conference. But it's usually the team that's the best

948
00:46:29,218 --> 00:46:31,378
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage, not necessar the best quarterback

949
00:46:31,378 --> 00:46:34,498
Speaker 4: that wins. You look at Michigan next year. You don't

950
00:46:34,498 --> 00:46:38,218
Speaker 4: think Bill Belichick's going right to the tackle guard page

951
00:46:38,258 --> 00:46:40,338
Speaker 4: and the transfer portal, going right there.

952
00:46:40,898 --> 00:46:44,498
Speaker 2: Like you, you know, he's looking for sixteen guards lit.

953
00:46:44,658 --> 00:46:46,658
Speaker 4: But this is my point. He so this is what

954
00:46:46,778 --> 00:46:49,817
Speaker 4: was when TCU made their run. When Michigan made their run,

955
00:46:50,218 --> 00:46:52,738
Speaker 4: you'll hear college football analysts talk about they have an

956
00:46:52,858 --> 00:46:57,178
Speaker 4: SEC offensive line, which basically means they have the side.

957
00:46:57,418 --> 00:46:59,938
Speaker 4: It's not about talent, it's about physical size. There's only

958
00:46:59,978 --> 00:47:02,138
Speaker 4: so many these six five, six, six three ten pound

959
00:47:02,178 --> 00:47:05,218
Speaker 4: guys that can move like this. I fully trust Bill

960
00:47:05,258 --> 00:47:08,378
Speaker 4: Belichick is going to build an SEC line at North

961
00:47:08,418 --> 00:47:12,258
Speaker 4: Carolina and that is going to change things because North

962
00:47:12,298 --> 00:47:16,857
Speaker 4: Carolina will not have a line offense and defense. There's

963
00:47:16,858 --> 00:47:18,698
Speaker 4: not gonna be another team in the ACC that has

964
00:47:18,738 --> 00:47:21,378
Speaker 4: a team in the trenches like North Carolina does. And

965
00:47:21,418 --> 00:47:24,018
Speaker 4: when they get to the playoff and they're playing SEC

966
00:47:24,058 --> 00:47:26,218
Speaker 4: teams in Big Ten teams, I'm not gonna say'm gonna

967
00:47:26,218 --> 00:47:27,978
Speaker 4: pick them out right, We'll see what happens in the portal,

968
00:47:28,098 --> 00:47:29,777
Speaker 4: but they're gonna be able to compete at the line

969
00:47:29,778 --> 00:47:32,298
Speaker 4: of scrimmage again, teams from those conferences. And if you

970
00:47:32,298 --> 00:47:35,978
Speaker 4: can do that, I trust Bill the coach circles around

971
00:47:36,338 --> 00:47:37,898
Speaker 4: anybody in college football that.

972
00:47:37,858 --> 00:47:39,777
Speaker 2: I agree with you, And this is the only part

973
00:47:39,858 --> 00:47:42,418
Speaker 2: of your take that I agree with that I find

974
00:47:42,458 --> 00:47:43,578
Speaker 2: interesting a little bit.

975
00:47:43,658 --> 00:47:45,738
Speaker 4: Yeah, is said that about like three or four things.

976
00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:47,618
Speaker 2: But okay, well, no, what was the other thing I

977
00:47:47,658 --> 00:47:48,738
Speaker 2: said that about.

978
00:47:48,978 --> 00:47:50,578
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but I remember you said fascinating.

979
00:47:50,578 --> 00:47:53,178
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, well maybe that was exaggerating

980
00:47:53,218 --> 00:47:55,578
Speaker 2: the point. This is the only element really that I

981
00:47:55,658 --> 00:47:57,817
Speaker 2: truly care about with this whole thing in terms of

982
00:47:57,858 --> 00:48:01,538
Speaker 2: like his coaching down there at North Carolina. My guess

983
00:48:01,618 --> 00:48:04,898
Speaker 2: is that he's gonna pants like the entire ACC.

984
00:48:04,738 --> 00:48:06,858
Speaker 4: Well not just the ACC. Let's say he gets the

985
00:48:06,858 --> 00:48:10,458
Speaker 4: playoff Bill versus Kirby smart. Wait yeah see that Bill

986
00:48:10,538 --> 00:48:11,538
Speaker 4: versus Lane Kiffy.

987
00:48:11,618 --> 00:48:15,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where I feel as though those guys,

988
00:48:15,578 --> 00:48:17,938
Speaker 2: I personally feel like have the chops to go toe

989
00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:21,498
Speaker 2: to toe with Bill, Like Kirby is really good, would.

990
00:48:21,378 --> 00:48:23,698
Speaker 4: Definitely awesome to and maybe Kirby's a little different because

991
00:48:23,698 --> 00:48:25,578
Speaker 4: they're not Kirby's defensive coach.

992
00:48:25,698 --> 00:48:27,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill versus.

993
00:48:27,138 --> 00:48:30,418
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffen, Bill versus Lincoln Riley. Yeah, I see like

994
00:48:30,698 --> 00:48:31,978
Speaker 4: Bill verse some of these guys.

995
00:48:32,098 --> 00:48:34,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's interesting.

996
00:48:34,458 --> 00:48:37,378
Speaker 4: That doesn't that doesn't give you stand the hairs up

997
00:48:37,378 --> 00:48:37,777
Speaker 4: a little bit.

998
00:48:37,858 --> 00:48:39,858
Speaker 2: I told you that was the only interesting element. But

999
00:48:39,898 --> 00:48:41,698
Speaker 2: at the same time, like they have to get there first,

1000
00:48:41,738 --> 00:48:43,658
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about North Carolina. Kirby is going to

1001
00:48:43,738 --> 00:48:46,258
Speaker 2: be there, Kirby's going to be at the party, and

1002
00:48:46,298 --> 00:48:49,578
Speaker 2: I think there are they going to get an invite?

1003
00:48:49,698 --> 00:48:55,418
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I the only part about it

1004
00:48:55,458 --> 00:48:58,297
Speaker 2: is that these and that's a different level, Like I'm

1005
00:48:58,338 --> 00:49:02,498
Speaker 2: just talking about like that poor coach at like Wake

1006
00:49:02,618 --> 00:49:06,618
Speaker 2: Forest or like at you know, uh even like like

1007
00:49:06,858 --> 00:49:10,377
Speaker 2: schools like Duke and NC State. Uh No, I don't

1008
00:49:10,418 --> 00:49:12,218
Speaker 2: know yet. I don't know yet. Like I don't know

1009
00:49:12,218 --> 00:49:14,817
Speaker 2: what good would. But we'll find out about Dabo, right,

1010
00:49:14,898 --> 00:49:15,418
Speaker 2: we'll find out.

1011
00:49:15,618 --> 00:49:16,777
Speaker 4: I'll give you, I'll give you a good one.

1012
00:49:17,538 --> 00:49:17,658
Speaker 6: Uh.

1013
00:49:17,818 --> 00:49:21,658
Speaker 4: Fran Brown from Syracuse and and Syracuse had that big

1014
00:49:21,698 --> 00:49:23,098
Speaker 4: win at the end of the year and they finished

1015
00:49:23,098 --> 00:49:25,898
Speaker 4: on a high note. He's considered he was actually an

1016
00:49:25,898 --> 00:49:29,498
Speaker 4: assistant under Dabo. He's considered one of the top up

1017
00:49:29,538 --> 00:49:32,778
Speaker 4: and coming coaches in college football right now. He's somebody

1018
00:49:32,818 --> 00:49:35,377
Speaker 4: that's been talked about, is not this year but next

1019
00:49:35,458 --> 00:49:39,138
Speaker 4: year being like the top name among the openings, Bill

1020
00:49:39,258 --> 00:49:41,818
Speaker 4: versus Fran Like, if Fran Brown wants to really be

1021
00:49:41,898 --> 00:49:44,298
Speaker 4: on that line, he's gonna face Bill. Syracuse plays you UNC.

1022
00:49:45,058 --> 00:49:46,817
Speaker 4: That's gonna be a game where we really figure out

1023
00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:47,738
Speaker 4: what Fran Brown's made of.

1024
00:49:48,178 --> 00:49:53,258
Speaker 2: Cool. I just ultimately, you have to admit, even you,

1025
00:49:53,498 --> 00:49:57,418
Speaker 2: even mister college football over there, you personally have to

1026
00:49:57,458 --> 00:49:59,698
Speaker 2: admit that it would be more interesting if he was

1027
00:49:59,738 --> 00:50:02,538
Speaker 2: in the NFL. It would just be more interesting.

1028
00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:04,858
Speaker 4: It would maybe be more interesting on a game to

1029
00:50:04,938 --> 00:50:07,698
Speaker 4: game level. I think the overall story of what he

1030
00:50:07,778 --> 00:50:11,418
Speaker 4: is in college is there's so much meat on the

1031
00:50:11,458 --> 00:50:15,058
Speaker 4: ball in there. It's it's so fascinating to disagree.

1032
00:50:15,298 --> 00:50:18,777
Speaker 2: You don't think it would be more fascinating for us

1033
00:50:18,818 --> 00:50:22,778
Speaker 2: to have a Bill Brady comes back with the Bucks.

1034
00:50:22,778 --> 00:50:25,458
Speaker 2: But for Bill, like next year the Patriots have a

1035
00:50:25,458 --> 00:50:28,138
Speaker 2: home game where the other coach on the other sideline

1036
00:50:28,178 --> 00:50:28,738
Speaker 2: is Bill Belich.

1037
00:50:29,018 --> 00:50:30,978
Speaker 4: One game that one game would be really interesting.

1038
00:50:31,458 --> 00:50:34,978
Speaker 2: But this is so unique, Bill chasing Shule in a

1039
00:50:35,018 --> 00:50:38,058
Speaker 2: different I like, you know.

1040
00:50:38,018 --> 00:50:44,138
Speaker 4: What Bill become Bill getting that that that rarefied super

1041
00:50:44,178 --> 00:50:47,777
Speaker 4: Bowl in national championship. Again, Carol Switchers.

1042
00:50:47,378 --> 00:50:49,938
Speaker 2: So out of control thinking and that's gonna happen.

1043
00:50:50,098 --> 00:50:52,538
Speaker 4: And think that hasn't happened in twenty years. But that's

1044
00:50:52,658 --> 00:50:53,978
Speaker 4: and and he would have done it.

1045
00:50:53,978 --> 00:50:57,418
Speaker 2: He's noting a national championship at North Carolina. His best

1046
00:50:58,578 --> 00:51:01,578
Speaker 2: that's crazy. His best case scenario at North Carolina is

1047
00:51:01,618 --> 00:51:04,418
Speaker 2: that they make the College Football Playoff and he like

1048
00:51:04,898 --> 00:51:08,418
Speaker 2: puts that program on a on the map. In that respect,

1049
00:51:08,658 --> 00:51:11,578
Speaker 2: there's no way he's winning a national champion. All right,

1050
00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:13,738
Speaker 2: let's take these calls and and get into some of

1051
00:51:13,738 --> 00:51:16,818
Speaker 2: the draft stuff. So much college football today, it's.

1052
00:51:17,338 --> 00:51:20,058
Speaker 4: This is it's not so you better get used to it.

1053
00:51:20,098 --> 00:51:24,938
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a long three years. Buddy nooking

1054
00:51:25,018 --> 00:51:28,778
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1062
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Speaker 3: Gentlemen? How's your Thursday going?

1074
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Speaker 2: What's going well?

1075
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Speaker 3: some more college football. Sorry, but I got I got

1077
00:52:47,658 --> 00:52:50,337
Speaker 3: a question for each of you. Alvin, you brought up

1078
00:52:51,738 --> 00:52:52,978
Speaker 3: I think it was the last week of the week

1079
00:52:53,018 --> 00:52:55,897
Speaker 3: before when you started breaking down film that Travis Hunter

1080
00:52:56,098 --> 00:52:57,938
Speaker 3: he felt like, was the only blue chip that you

1081
00:52:58,018 --> 00:53:03,658
Speaker 3: felt like Will Campbell was also worthy of taking top five.

1082
00:53:05,058 --> 00:53:08,658
Speaker 3: Just observing what you observed through Will Campbell on film,

1083
00:53:09,178 --> 00:53:12,337
Speaker 3: do you think like he's a high he can get

1084
00:53:12,338 --> 00:53:15,058
Speaker 3: to the level, like his ceiling is a high, like

1085
00:53:15,098 --> 00:53:17,938
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl left tackle. That's my question for you

1086
00:53:18,338 --> 00:53:20,777
Speaker 3: and Alex. I'll pick that off there. But Alex, I

1087
00:53:20,818 --> 00:53:22,458
Speaker 3: got two players I want to throw at you and

1088
00:53:22,498 --> 00:53:26,458
Speaker 3: you tell me stutter dud Jaden Higgins from Iowa state

1089
00:53:26,498 --> 00:53:31,618
Speaker 3: wide receiver and Terrence Ferguson's tight end for Oregon.

1090
00:53:31,898 --> 00:53:35,618
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Patti, thanks for the call on Will Campbell.

1091
00:53:36,778 --> 00:53:39,938
Speaker 2: This is a gonna be an ongoing debate I can

1092
00:53:39,978 --> 00:53:43,378
Speaker 2: tell for the next five months about Will Campbell and

1093
00:53:43,778 --> 00:53:46,658
Speaker 2: where he fits on the offensive line. I believe that

1094
00:53:46,698 --> 00:53:50,498
Speaker 2: Will Campbell is has Pro Bowl caliber traits as an

1095
00:53:50,538 --> 00:53:53,978
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Where on the offensive line, whether that's on

1096
00:53:54,018 --> 00:53:57,337
Speaker 2: the inside or the outside. I'm still TBD on right.

1097
00:53:57,498 --> 00:53:59,777
Speaker 2: I need to see the measuables. I need to watch

1098
00:53:59,778 --> 00:54:01,218
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I need to hear a little

1099
00:54:01,218 --> 00:54:03,618
Speaker 2: bit more from people that I trust. But do I

1100
00:54:03,658 --> 00:54:06,618
Speaker 2: think that he has the blocking talent to be a

1101
00:54:06,778 --> 00:54:10,698
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl caliber guard or tackle? Yes, I just don't

1102
00:54:10,738 --> 00:54:11,738
Speaker 2: know which one he is yet.

1103
00:54:12,378 --> 00:54:16,418
Speaker 4: Yeah. I will come down to the our measurement, right, Yeah. Yeah,

1104
00:54:16,498 --> 00:54:18,978
Speaker 4: So the two guys he asked, I know I haven't

1105
00:54:18,978 --> 00:54:21,777
Speaker 4: done a ton on the Iowa State receiver, so sorry,

1106
00:54:21,818 --> 00:54:23,738
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to TVD there. Who is the other one?

1107
00:54:24,698 --> 00:54:27,817
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Thought that was your job to keep

1108
00:54:27,858 --> 00:54:28,658
Speaker 2: track of those guys.

1109
00:54:28,818 --> 00:54:30,418
Speaker 4: I know it was, and I can't what was the.

1110
00:54:30,578 --> 00:54:35,178
Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay. He throws two random names at

1111
00:54:35,178 --> 00:54:37,498
Speaker 2: you every single week, Patty email and if you can,

1112
00:54:38,138 --> 00:54:42,618
Speaker 2: yeah dot com because Alex base gadeted so then we

1113
00:54:42,658 --> 00:54:43,818
Speaker 2: can get that second name for you.

1114
00:54:44,058 --> 00:54:47,978
Speaker 4: Terrence Ferguson from Morgan That's who was. Yeah, he's I mean,

1115
00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:49,498
Speaker 4: like a lot of these type the tight ends in

1116
00:54:49,498 --> 00:54:51,098
Speaker 4: this class. I feel like there's kind of a type.

1117
00:54:51,698 --> 00:54:54,458
Speaker 2: He got a couple of touchdowns in the championship game.

1118
00:54:54,418 --> 00:54:57,458
Speaker 4: Right yeah, big physical tight end, not afraid to go

1119
00:54:57,498 --> 00:55:00,538
Speaker 4: over the middle, like like very much. You know, central casting.

1120
00:55:00,618 --> 00:55:04,698
Speaker 4: That kind of thing where pretty traditional if you're you know,

1121
00:55:04,778 --> 00:55:07,418
Speaker 4: projected to be a mid round pick early day three,

1122
00:55:07,818 --> 00:55:11,218
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a player to draft and develop

1123
00:55:11,258 --> 00:55:13,098
Speaker 4: for a year or two behind Hunter Henry, maybe he

1124
00:55:13,138 --> 00:55:15,618
Speaker 4: replaces Austin Hooper as a second tight end with the

1125
00:55:15,698 --> 00:55:19,138
Speaker 4: idea that he's eventually gonna become that primary tight end.

1126
00:55:18,858 --> 00:55:20,498
Speaker 4: He'd be a fit in that role certainly.

1127
00:55:20,698 --> 00:55:23,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a lot of move skills what I

1128
00:55:23,618 --> 00:55:25,938
Speaker 2: see right Like, they move him around the formation a lot.

1129
00:55:25,978 --> 00:55:29,098
Speaker 2: He plays off the line a lot more what I

1130
00:55:29,178 --> 00:55:31,618
Speaker 2: saw at least a little bit more receiving tight end,

1131
00:55:31,818 --> 00:55:36,218
Speaker 2: I would say in that game. But Oregon's offense was fun.

1132
00:55:36,338 --> 00:55:38,018
Speaker 2: Watch them on film and we can get to that

1133
00:55:38,058 --> 00:55:40,098
Speaker 2: here in a second. A little bit about some of

1134
00:55:40,138 --> 00:55:43,058
Speaker 2: those guys that popped in in that championship game. But

1135
00:55:43,338 --> 00:55:45,898
Speaker 2: they run some some weird stuff, like they'll run like

1136
00:55:46,178 --> 00:55:49,418
Speaker 2: unbalanced line and like all sorts of stuff. They flipped

1137
00:55:49,418 --> 00:55:52,578
Speaker 2: their tackles a lot, and those unbalanced lines and the

1138
00:55:52,618 --> 00:55:54,857
Speaker 2: tight ends move around quite a bit too. So he's

1139
00:55:55,178 --> 00:55:57,818
Speaker 2: he's kind of versatile, Like he's sort of like a

1140
00:55:57,978 --> 00:56:00,578
Speaker 2: you know, bigger version of Jaem Bell. I would say,

1141
00:56:00,778 --> 00:56:02,498
Speaker 2: is how I saw him, at least the game that

1142
00:56:02,538 --> 00:56:02,777
Speaker 2: I want.

1143
00:56:02,818 --> 00:56:05,258
Speaker 4: I don't know that he's doing in the NFL, some

1144
00:56:05,298 --> 00:56:08,338
Speaker 4: of the formational stuff that Bell's doing. Yeah, I mean,

1145
00:56:08,378 --> 00:56:09,978
Speaker 4: I guess you could. You could maybe coach him up

1146
00:56:09,978 --> 00:56:13,138
Speaker 4: to that. He's just kind of Bell's not as tall

1147
00:56:13,178 --> 00:56:16,098
Speaker 4: as lower center of gravity, who was a little more agile, Ferguson,

1148
00:56:16,938 --> 00:56:19,858
Speaker 4: more upright, But yeah, I could see that. He also

1149
00:56:19,898 --> 00:56:21,817
Speaker 4: like he has the size to become a blocker, he's

1150
00:56:21,898 --> 00:56:22,297
Speaker 4: so big.

1151
00:56:22,498 --> 00:56:30,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Riley is in Phoenix. What's up? Riley? Riley?

1152
00:56:31,218 --> 00:56:31,538
Speaker 4: All right?

1153
00:56:31,618 --> 00:56:33,297
Speaker 2: Riley, give us a call back and we'll get you

1154
00:56:33,338 --> 00:56:36,178
Speaker 2: on the air. Uh. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up

1155
00:56:36,178 --> 00:56:36,498
Speaker 2: to Shawn?

1156
00:56:40,058 --> 00:56:40,738
Speaker 7: Getting off from work?

1157
00:56:41,258 --> 00:56:44,178
Speaker 2: We're good? How are you good?

1158
00:56:44,418 --> 00:56:47,817
Speaker 7: Good? I want? I wanted to talk about like the

1159
00:56:47,818 --> 00:56:49,978
Speaker 7: the strategy of trying to actually when you got to

1160
00:56:49,978 --> 00:56:52,258
Speaker 7: talk about the lineman. But I was thinking about, like

1161
00:56:52,338 --> 00:56:54,618
Speaker 7: if you guys, I think I happen to get t

1162
00:56:54,858 --> 00:56:57,858
Speaker 7: Mac and Hr get the free agency and the niggas

1163
00:56:57,858 --> 00:57:02,618
Speaker 7: pocos on the line agency trying to worry about too

1164
00:57:02,658 --> 00:57:03,378
Speaker 7: much in the drift.

1165
00:57:04,418 --> 00:57:06,978
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, DeShawn. Thanks for the call.

1166
00:57:07,018 --> 00:57:09,378
Speaker 2: It's a good segue for us because one of the

1167
00:57:09,418 --> 00:57:14,258
Speaker 2: big blocks off the free agency market went back to

1168
00:57:14,338 --> 00:57:16,338
Speaker 2: Denver today. I guess it is the easiest way to

1169
00:57:16,338 --> 00:57:19,738
Speaker 2: say it. Garrett Bowles signs an extension with the Denver Broncos.

1170
00:57:20,018 --> 00:57:23,258
Speaker 2: I never expected Garrett Bulls to hit unrestricted free agency.

1171
00:57:23,658 --> 00:57:28,298
Speaker 2: Uh still young ish, really good tackle, starting caliber tackle

1172
00:57:28,658 --> 00:57:30,818
Speaker 2: for Denver. You have a young quarterback then on a

1173
00:57:30,898 --> 00:57:33,738
Speaker 2: rookie contract, so you have the flexibility, and you also

1174
00:57:33,858 --> 00:57:37,698
Speaker 2: just learn from the Patriots mistakes a little bit. You

1175
00:57:37,738 --> 00:57:40,138
Speaker 2: don't want to put yourself in a position where you

1176
00:57:40,178 --> 00:57:42,658
Speaker 2: have a revolving door at left tackle with a second

1177
00:57:42,698 --> 00:57:46,618
Speaker 2: year quarterback in bo Nicks. So they're able to lock

1178
00:57:46,738 --> 00:57:50,218
Speaker 2: up Garrett Bowles, which really puts the tackle market. And

1179
00:57:50,258 --> 00:57:52,778
Speaker 2: I tweeted it out when it happened, this is what

1180
00:57:52,858 --> 00:57:57,738
Speaker 2: happens like these guys do not hit unrestricted free agency.

1181
00:57:58,058 --> 00:58:00,858
Speaker 2: The true premium tackles and I believe Garrett Bowles is

1182
00:58:00,898 --> 00:58:04,618
Speaker 2: a premium premiums doesn't necessarily mean he's top five or

1183
00:58:04,658 --> 00:58:08,018
Speaker 2: elite or anything like that, but he is a rock

1184
00:58:08,058 --> 00:58:11,658
Speaker 2: of solid sharpie him in as the starting left tackle

1185
00:58:11,698 --> 00:58:15,178
Speaker 2: for you in an NFL lineup. Those guys just do

1186
00:58:15,218 --> 00:58:18,698
Speaker 2: not hit unrestricted free agency. So the only other guys

1187
00:58:18,818 --> 00:58:22,698
Speaker 2: now that have a chance are Cam Robinson, who will

1188
00:58:23,218 --> 00:58:27,298
Speaker 2: because Minnesota has a Christian Darsol coming back off of

1189
00:58:27,338 --> 00:58:30,098
Speaker 2: an injury next year, so they don't need to pay

1190
00:58:30,138 --> 00:58:32,658
Speaker 2: a left tackle. Are they already paying a left tackle?

1191
00:58:33,058 --> 00:58:36,418
Speaker 2: And then Ronnie Stanley, my guess in Baltimore is gonna

1192
00:58:36,418 --> 00:58:38,138
Speaker 2: get franchise tagged at the least, Like I.

1193
00:58:38,378 --> 00:58:41,018
Speaker 4: Would be shocked if Yeah.

1194
00:58:40,738 --> 00:58:43,338
Speaker 2: So it does sound like Cam Robinson, who, Like I'm

1195
00:58:43,378 --> 00:58:45,698
Speaker 2: not trying to look down on Cam Robinson. I think

1196
00:58:45,738 --> 00:58:49,298
Speaker 2: Cam Robinson would be a upgrade over what the Patriots

1197
00:58:49,298 --> 00:58:53,498
Speaker 2: currently have. But he is a mid level starter, right Like,

1198
00:58:53,538 --> 00:58:56,298
Speaker 2: He's like an NFL average starter, which again is an

1199
00:58:56,338 --> 00:59:00,018
Speaker 2: upgrade over what they have, but it's not We've solved

1200
00:59:00,058 --> 00:59:02,818
Speaker 2: this position for the next ten years. Like drafting, somebody

1201
00:59:02,978 --> 00:59:03,218
Speaker 2: might do.

1202
00:59:03,698 --> 00:59:07,218
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna if you're gonna draft like a

1203
00:59:07,218 --> 00:59:10,098
Speaker 4: project player like Josh Simmons or maybe Josh Connery falls

1204
00:59:10,098 --> 00:59:11,738
Speaker 4: into that territory. I know you're high on him after

1205
00:59:11,778 --> 00:59:15,298
Speaker 4: watching him, like he's a good plan B, but that

1206
00:59:15,778 --> 00:59:18,218
Speaker 4: you know, set it and forget it left tackle, you're

1207
00:59:18,258 --> 00:59:19,538
Speaker 4: not getting that guy in free agency.

1208
00:59:19,738 --> 00:59:22,658
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cam Robinson's a solid player and he like I

1209
00:59:22,738 --> 00:59:24,738
Speaker 2: keep saying, you'd be better on what the Patriots have,

1210
00:59:24,858 --> 00:59:27,058
Speaker 2: But he's also going to be the best available tackle

1211
00:59:27,098 --> 00:59:29,858
Speaker 2: on the market, which means that he's gonna get paid

1212
00:59:30,618 --> 00:59:32,458
Speaker 2: good amount of money. Like, my guess is that you're

1213
00:59:32,498 --> 00:59:35,698
Speaker 2: looking at somewhere between fifteen and twenty million dollars a

1214
00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:37,538
Speaker 2: year to lock up Cam.

1215
00:59:37,418 --> 00:59:40,218
Speaker 4: Robbins's gonna get because he's the number one player at

1216
00:59:40,218 --> 00:59:43,018
Speaker 4: the position. He's gonna be paid like it, and you're

1217
00:59:43,018 --> 00:59:45,378
Speaker 4: gonna have to pay a tax for lack of talent

1218
00:59:45,418 --> 00:59:47,538
Speaker 4: of the position even if the dollar amount doesn't line

1219
00:59:47,618 --> 00:59:48,338
Speaker 4: up with the ability.

1220
00:59:48,458 --> 00:59:51,018
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talk about this all the time with

1221
00:59:51,178 --> 00:59:54,298
Speaker 2: these guys. Is you know you always are weary of

1222
00:59:54,458 --> 01:00:00,018
Speaker 2: paying top of the market dollars for a average player, right,

1223
01:00:00,058 --> 01:00:02,058
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to be stuck in that position

1224
01:00:02,698 --> 01:00:07,618
Speaker 2: where you're paying premium dollar amounts for a C C

1225
01:00:07,858 --> 01:00:11,178
Speaker 2: plus player, like you want to play premium dollar amounts

1226
01:00:11,218 --> 01:00:13,378
Speaker 2: for Blue Chippers. You don't want to pay him for

1227
01:00:13,538 --> 01:00:17,338
Speaker 2: just starting caliber tackles in the NFL. That's the boat

1228
01:00:17,418 --> 01:00:20,258
Speaker 2: that Cam Robinson would fall on if they signed a

1229
01:00:20,298 --> 01:00:22,978
Speaker 2: guy like Cam Robinson free agency, I wouldn't kill him

1230
01:00:23,018 --> 01:00:24,658
Speaker 2: for it, like I'd be like, Okay, I see the

1231
01:00:24,698 --> 01:00:27,618
Speaker 2: path to your point. I still think you need to

1232
01:00:28,018 --> 01:00:31,178
Speaker 2: draft a Day two tackle that Scott's development a upside

1233
01:00:31,258 --> 01:00:34,578
Speaker 2: maybe on both sides, potentially right, So maybe he's your

1234
01:00:34,618 --> 01:00:37,458
Speaker 2: right tackle the future instead of your left. But at

1235
01:00:37,538 --> 01:00:39,818
Speaker 2: least he has upside to start in this league and

1236
01:00:39,818 --> 01:00:42,538
Speaker 2: maybe be better than Cam Robinson down the road. I

1237
01:00:42,538 --> 01:00:45,138
Speaker 2: don't think you can just be done. You can't no

1238
01:00:45,298 --> 01:00:47,138
Speaker 2: sign Cam Robinson and be done.

1239
01:00:47,178 --> 01:00:48,458
Speaker 4: And I'll ad this too. It to one other point,

1240
01:00:48,498 --> 01:00:49,938
Speaker 4: I've seen people say this, Well, you know, if you

1241
01:00:50,018 --> 01:00:54,658
Speaker 4: sign T Higgins and your draft Ted McMillan, No, yeah,

1242
01:00:54,978 --> 01:00:56,618
Speaker 4: I get it, Like, all right, we're gonna infuse the

1243
01:00:56,618 --> 01:01:00,618
Speaker 4: wide receiver room with talent. Old belichickism. It's not about

1244
01:01:00,618 --> 01:01:03,098
Speaker 4: collecting talent, it's about building a team. Yeah, tep McMillan

1245
01:01:03,098 --> 01:01:05,498
Speaker 4: and T Higgins too much overlap. You can't have those

1246
01:01:05,498 --> 01:01:08,778
Speaker 4: same guys, they play same positions. Spider Man meme, Right,

1247
01:01:08,898 --> 01:01:10,818
Speaker 4: So I mean, if that's what you want to do,

1248
01:01:12,378 --> 01:01:15,018
Speaker 4: you're signing t Higgins's he's the best option pending. We'll

1249
01:01:15,018 --> 01:01:17,898
Speaker 4: see how just how pissed AJ Brown is in Philly. Yeah,

1250
01:01:17,938 --> 01:01:20,858
Speaker 4: but you're signing t Higgins. Okay, Now we're talking about

1251
01:01:20,898 --> 01:01:25,138
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter or Luther Burton. Those are complimentary players. The

1252
01:01:25,458 --> 01:01:29,098
Speaker 4: McMillan it's you have two x's now and you're you

1253
01:01:29,178 --> 01:01:30,498
Speaker 4: need more speed on the field than that.

1254
01:01:30,818 --> 01:01:35,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. There's an email here about Ted McMillan

1255
01:01:35,258 --> 01:01:36,618
Speaker 2: in my take on him, So we'll get to that

1256
01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:38,738
Speaker 2: here in a second. But Riley's back, so let's get

1257
01:01:38,778 --> 01:01:41,538
Speaker 2: Riley on. What's up? Riley?

1258
01:01:42,018 --> 01:01:46,018
Speaker 5: Hey, fellows, how we doing good? Doing good?

1259
01:01:46,978 --> 01:01:48,818
Speaker 6: So a couple quick things here.

1260
01:01:49,578 --> 01:01:52,458
Speaker 5: So I used to be in the camp of, if

1261
01:01:52,498 --> 01:01:55,818
Speaker 5: the Patriots have a top five pick, that we need

1262
01:01:55,858 --> 01:02:00,018
Speaker 5: to trade down just to secure as many future draft

1263
01:02:00,018 --> 01:02:04,218
Speaker 5: picks as possible so we can replenish all the assets

1264
01:02:04,258 --> 01:02:06,418
Speaker 5: that we need since the laundry list is long.

1265
01:02:07,498 --> 01:02:10,858
Speaker 6: But as of recently, I've kind of come around to

1266
01:02:11,338 --> 01:02:14,938
Speaker 6: the idea of drafting Travis Hunter, just given the fact

1267
01:02:14,938 --> 01:02:19,178
Speaker 6: that he is the best bona fide player in the

1268
01:02:19,338 --> 01:02:25,138
Speaker 6: entire draft, or if not one of the best. So

1269
01:02:25,298 --> 01:02:27,978
Speaker 6: I just kind of wanted to get your guys' thoughts

1270
01:02:27,978 --> 01:02:30,258
Speaker 6: on that, if they do end up picking in the

1271
01:02:30,258 --> 01:02:36,138
Speaker 6: top five, would you rather select Travis Hunter or trade

1272
01:02:36,218 --> 01:02:39,458
Speaker 6: down and stock up and get some more draft picks.

1273
01:02:40,218 --> 01:02:45,098
Speaker 6: And then secondly, it was just interesting listening to Drake's

1274
01:02:45,138 --> 01:02:49,498
Speaker 6: press conference and I mentioned some of the receivers in

1275
01:02:49,618 --> 01:02:54,298
Speaker 6: Arizona and whatnot, and how Drake really stressed the urgency

1276
01:02:54,458 --> 01:02:59,258
Speaker 6: going into next season and with the Cardinals and the

1277
01:02:59,258 --> 01:03:04,098
Speaker 6: receivers that they have obviously drafting Marvin Harrison and seeing

1278
01:03:04,218 --> 01:03:09,938
Speaker 6: the Seattle game last week with Smith Nu Jagba, that

1279
01:03:10,298 --> 01:03:15,018
Speaker 6: really stresses the urgency to me as well. Obviously it's

1280
01:03:15,018 --> 01:03:18,178
Speaker 6: pretty glaring, but just that we need we need a guy,

1281
01:03:18,538 --> 01:03:21,578
Speaker 6: and Drake is the guy, so we need a guy

1282
01:03:22,178 --> 01:03:27,058
Speaker 6: for him to take over games to throw to. So

1283
01:03:27,098 --> 01:03:30,898
Speaker 6: that's it, and I'll see you guys on Sunday.

1284
01:03:30,978 --> 01:03:33,058
Speaker 2: Appreciated. I hope you have fun at the game if

1285
01:03:33,058 --> 01:03:35,218
Speaker 2: you're headed to the game on Sunday.

1286
01:03:35,298 --> 01:03:38,858
Speaker 4: So the Travis Hunter just named AP College Football Player

1287
01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:40,338
Speaker 4: of the Year so there you go. Yeah, so that's

1288
01:03:40,338 --> 01:03:41,098
Speaker 4: a player in the country.

1289
01:03:41,178 --> 01:03:43,978
Speaker 2: So to the first point with Travis, oh really not

1290
01:03:43,978 --> 01:03:46,258
Speaker 2: not your running back you second, Oh, you didn't get

1291
01:03:46,298 --> 01:03:49,098
Speaker 2: the vote though he was second. Does that usually foreshadow

1292
01:03:49,138 --> 01:03:49,938
Speaker 2: of the Heisman vote?

1293
01:03:50,018 --> 01:03:50,418
Speaker 4: Or is this?

1294
01:03:50,698 --> 01:03:51,258
Speaker 2: Are they not?

1295
01:03:51,258 --> 01:03:54,498
Speaker 4: Not exclusively? But yeah, so last year was like a

1296
01:03:54,578 --> 01:03:56,738
Speaker 4: rare year where it didn't Pennix won those. I'm pretty

1297
01:03:56,738 --> 01:03:57,658
Speaker 4: sure was Pennis that won it.

1298
01:03:57,738 --> 01:04:05,018
Speaker 2: Okay, huh interesting? He good? Anyways, I just say good

1299
01:04:05,138 --> 01:04:07,098
Speaker 2: mostly because I don't.

1300
01:04:06,938 --> 01:04:09,058
Speaker 4: Know Jane Daniels did with Oh, I'm thinking of the Maxwell.

1301
01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:10,978
Speaker 4: Jane Daniels did win this last year. Yeah, it's been

1302
01:04:11,378 --> 01:04:15,338
Speaker 4: Hunter Daniels, Williams, Bryce Young, Davante Smith. Yeah. So mostly yeah,

1303
01:04:15,378 --> 01:04:17,098
Speaker 4: mostly the Shadows, and I'm thinking of the Maxwell words.

1304
01:04:17,138 --> 01:04:19,978
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a you know, a care

1305
01:04:20,298 --> 01:04:23,938
Speaker 2: about who wins the Heisman, But just to watch all

1306
01:04:23,978 --> 01:04:26,458
Speaker 2: of you sickos lose your mind that it's not Ashton

1307
01:04:26,498 --> 01:04:29,778
Speaker 2: Gentry is enough for me. I'm good with that.

1308
01:04:30,618 --> 01:04:32,698
Speaker 4: Going historic season, he wins it. He would have won

1309
01:04:32,738 --> 01:04:35,538
Speaker 4: them last year against Jane Daniels, you would have.

1310
01:04:36,338 --> 01:04:38,818
Speaker 2: No Jenden dan is an unreal year at LSU.

1311
01:04:38,898 --> 01:04:42,498
Speaker 4: Last year it's his What gent's done is truly historic.

1312
01:04:42,538 --> 01:04:44,058
Speaker 4: You're not going to act it's a running back in

1313
01:04:44,058 --> 01:04:44,938
Speaker 4: college football player.

1314
01:04:45,018 --> 01:04:46,858
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna is the Mountain West.

1315
01:04:47,898 --> 01:04:50,258
Speaker 4: He was doing it, and then why isn't everybody doing it?

1316
01:04:50,658 --> 01:04:53,338
Speaker 4: And Daniels did it in the SEC Then why isn't

1317
01:04:53,338 --> 01:04:54,218
Speaker 4: everybody doing it the most?

1318
01:04:54,218 --> 01:04:55,898
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is not the point that we don't

1319
01:04:55,938 --> 01:04:56,658
Speaker 2: need to get bogged down.

1320
01:04:56,898 --> 01:04:57,858
Speaker 4: We're college football talk.

1321
01:04:58,058 --> 01:04:59,938
Speaker 2: God, this is just insufferable.

1322
01:05:00,338 --> 01:05:00,658
Speaker 4: Uh.

1323
01:05:00,698 --> 01:05:04,618
Speaker 2: Anyways to the Travis Hunter point I have. I have

1324
01:05:04,698 --> 01:05:07,698
Speaker 2: also come around to Travis Hunter for the Patriots because

1325
01:05:09,178 --> 01:05:12,618
Speaker 2: my big thesis of this entire draft is that they

1326
01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:14,418
Speaker 2: have to come away with the player who's worthy of

1327
01:05:14,458 --> 01:05:17,058
Speaker 2: the pick. Right That's that's my big thesis. And I

1328
01:05:17,138 --> 01:05:19,618
Speaker 2: worry a little bit in this draft about the talent

1329
01:05:19,658 --> 01:05:22,458
Speaker 2: at the top. I don't think everybody that we have

1330
01:05:22,578 --> 01:05:25,898
Speaker 2: discussed or we will discuss is necessarily a top five

1331
01:05:25,938 --> 01:05:28,138
Speaker 2: pick every year, right, Like, That's the biggest thing to

1332
01:05:28,178 --> 01:05:30,098
Speaker 2: me is that I want to make sure that the

1333
01:05:30,138 --> 01:05:34,898
Speaker 2: Patriot it's secure a top five player. And you're in

1334
01:05:34,938 --> 01:05:36,898
Speaker 2: and year out right, a guy that would be a

1335
01:05:36,898 --> 01:05:39,058
Speaker 2: top five player in almost every single draft. It's not

1336
01:05:39,098 --> 01:05:41,698
Speaker 2: always going to happen that way. I understand that. You know,

1337
01:05:41,778 --> 01:05:45,778
Speaker 2: last year's draft, for example, was just exceptionally loaded at

1338
01:05:45,778 --> 01:05:48,458
Speaker 2: the top, right, you had blue chip seven eight blue

1339
01:05:48,498 --> 01:05:51,618
Speaker 2: chip players. Like that doesn't happen every single year. But

1340
01:05:51,778 --> 01:05:53,578
Speaker 2: on the whole, I want to come away with the

1341
01:05:53,618 --> 01:05:56,698
Speaker 2: guy that is a top five consensus talent. Travis Hunter

1342
01:05:56,778 --> 01:05:58,698
Speaker 2: is really the only guy that fits that mold. I

1343
01:05:58,698 --> 01:06:01,378
Speaker 2: would say, I think everybody else that you spot you

1344
01:06:01,418 --> 01:06:07,738
Speaker 2: speak about a non quarterback category, everyone has some tepredation

1345
01:06:07,898 --> 01:06:12,258
Speaker 2: about the pick. Right. It's yeah, Will Campbell's not tackle build,

1346
01:06:12,338 --> 01:06:14,418
Speaker 2: you know, doesn't have the arm length of a typical tackle.

1347
01:06:14,898 --> 01:06:15,018
Speaker 6: Uh.

1348
01:06:15,378 --> 01:06:18,738
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan is not everybody's cup of team mine included, right, Like,

1349
01:06:18,778 --> 01:06:23,338
Speaker 2: that's not everybody's favorite style of receiver so to speak,

1350
01:06:23,378 --> 01:06:25,938
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, guy like Mason Graham, who I

1351
01:06:26,058 --> 01:06:28,218
Speaker 2: watched I wanted to talk to a little talk about

1352
01:06:28,218 --> 01:06:32,698
Speaker 2: a little bit today. Awesome talent, but he's an interior

1353
01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:36,418
Speaker 2: defensive lineman, right Like, not usually a position that's considered

1354
01:06:36,738 --> 01:06:41,378
Speaker 2: premium level positions. So all these other guys have these

1355
01:06:41,458 --> 01:06:47,498
Speaker 2: types of warts in their profiles. It's pretty hard to

1356
01:06:47,498 --> 01:06:50,258
Speaker 2: find a war in Travis Hunter's profile, right, like maybe

1357
01:06:50,298 --> 01:06:52,658
Speaker 2: if it's your thing of like which side of the

1358
01:06:52,658 --> 01:06:55,098
Speaker 2: ball is he gonna play full time? And you know that.

1359
01:06:55,978 --> 01:06:58,498
Speaker 2: Navigating that whole conversation.

1360
01:06:57,978 --> 01:06:59,898
Speaker 4: I think there's because you know my thing. There's no

1361
01:06:59,978 --> 01:07:03,058
Speaker 4: such thing as a perfect prospect, ye, And there's two

1362
01:07:03,058 --> 01:07:04,978
Speaker 4: sides to that. It's also to say that you can

1363
01:07:05,818 --> 01:07:08,498
Speaker 4: say a guy has areas of improvement or weaknesses and

1364
01:07:08,538 --> 01:07:11,858
Speaker 4: still admit he's elite. An elite prospect to me, with Hunter,

1365
01:07:11,978 --> 01:07:15,938
Speaker 4: it's won the development plan and then just durability and

1366
01:07:15,978 --> 01:07:18,058
Speaker 4: some of that ties in with the development plan. But

1367
01:07:18,098 --> 01:07:21,298
Speaker 4: he's not exactly like he could probably put weight on.

1368
01:07:21,378 --> 01:07:25,858
Speaker 4: He's not exactly built. Yeah, that's if you're gonna play

1369
01:07:25,898 --> 01:07:27,818
Speaker 4: him a lot, either as your number one wide receivers,

1370
01:07:27,858 --> 01:07:30,138
Speaker 4: gonna be on the field a ton, or playing both ways.

1371
01:07:30,138 --> 01:07:32,098
Speaker 4: Like I think he probably needs to put some masks

1372
01:07:32,178 --> 01:07:34,258
Speaker 4: on or he's really gonna have some problems with injuries

1373
01:07:34,258 --> 01:07:36,378
Speaker 4: at the next level. It's doable, but you have to

1374
01:07:36,378 --> 01:07:36,738
Speaker 4: do it.

1375
01:07:37,418 --> 01:07:39,138
Speaker 2: I still think that he can play a wide receiver

1376
01:07:39,178 --> 01:07:42,298
Speaker 2: at a really high level. I got some flak on

1377
01:07:42,298 --> 01:07:44,618
Speaker 2: on the X machine yesterday about this, who said he

1378
01:07:44,658 --> 01:07:47,858
Speaker 2: couldn't Well, just I think some people, you mean, without

1379
01:07:47,858 --> 01:07:49,778
Speaker 2: putting on weight or just no, no, I just think

1380
01:07:49,818 --> 01:07:50,858
Speaker 2: some people if you're gonna.

1381
01:07:50,658 --> 01:07:52,618
Speaker 4: Send him over the middle like that, like he needs

1382
01:07:52,618 --> 01:07:53,338
Speaker 4: a little more questions.

1383
01:07:53,418 --> 01:07:58,898
Speaker 2: I think some people are of the thinking that Will Johnson,

1384
01:07:58,898 --> 01:08:00,938
Speaker 2: who declared yesterday, is one of the guys I wanted

1385
01:08:00,978 --> 01:08:07,498
Speaker 2: to talk about of his decision, which you know, a

1386
01:08:07,578 --> 01:08:09,538
Speaker 2: lot of people think Will Johnson is the best corner

1387
01:08:09,538 --> 01:08:12,178
Speaker 2: in the draft. A lot of people think that Teed

1388
01:08:12,258 --> 01:08:14,338
Speaker 2: McMillan is the best wide receiver in the draft. So

1389
01:08:14,418 --> 01:08:15,858
Speaker 2: now that those are Travis Hunter, so.

1390
01:08:15,778 --> 01:08:17,418
Speaker 4: Can I can I say something on that real quick?

1391
01:08:17,458 --> 01:08:19,697
Speaker 4: Because I tweeted earlier about McMillan and people jumped down

1392
01:08:19,738 --> 01:08:23,858
Speaker 4: my throat. I'm calling Tep McMillan the best receiver in

1393
01:08:23,898 --> 01:08:25,898
Speaker 4: the draft. I'm calling Will Johnson the best corner in

1394
01:08:25,898 --> 01:08:28,218
Speaker 4: the draft. Travis Hunter is the best Travis Hunter in

1395
01:08:28,258 --> 01:08:30,938
Speaker 4: the draft. He is his own thing. Okay, Okay, I

1396
01:08:30,978 --> 01:08:34,497
Speaker 4: am not classic, but but isn't that because like we

1397
01:08:34,537 --> 01:08:36,338
Speaker 4: don't know this. This goes to the whole thing that

1398
01:08:36,338 --> 01:08:38,378
Speaker 4: crawls up my ass about edge. Yeah, but this is

1399
01:08:38,418 --> 01:08:41,697
Speaker 4: why this is why we need it. Yeah, because all right, well,

1400
01:08:41,778 --> 01:08:43,458
Speaker 4: on some teams. He might be a defensive end. On

1401
01:08:43,458 --> 01:08:45,138
Speaker 4: some teams, he might be a linebacker. We don't know,

1402
01:08:45,378 --> 01:08:47,537
Speaker 4: so here's the way to rank them. Travis Hunter is

1403
01:08:47,537 --> 01:08:50,178
Speaker 4: my number one rank dual threat player in this draft.

1404
01:08:50,937 --> 01:08:56,777
Speaker 4: He's a separate conversation. You're not number one athlete. That's

1405
01:08:56,817 --> 01:08:59,657
Speaker 4: what this recruiting is. Yeah, good job college football there.

1406
01:09:00,138 --> 01:09:02,458
Speaker 4: Do you really think there's any team that's sitting there

1407
01:09:02,937 --> 01:09:07,178
Speaker 4: debating Travis Hunter the wide receiver, Like, Okay, we see

1408
01:09:07,218 --> 01:09:09,178
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter as a receiver. Yeah, and we're going to

1409
01:09:09,258 --> 01:09:11,537
Speaker 4: debate him versu ten Like. I don't think that's happening.

1410
01:09:11,617 --> 01:09:14,617
Speaker 4: It's the debate is more, do we want a player

1411
01:09:14,777 --> 01:09:16,937
Speaker 4: who has a defined position and we can just plug

1412
01:09:16,978 --> 01:09:19,017
Speaker 4: and play, or do we want this guy who's more

1413
01:09:19,058 --> 01:09:21,857
Speaker 4: talented but there's going to be more work on the

1414
01:09:21,857 --> 01:09:24,378
Speaker 4: part of the coaching staff to figure that out. That's

1415
01:09:24,418 --> 01:09:27,258
Speaker 4: the debate. If he is a wide receiver, he's the

1416
01:09:27,378 --> 01:09:30,338
Speaker 4: number one wide receiver, But we don't know if he's

1417
01:09:30,577 --> 01:09:33,577
Speaker 4: wide receiver because we don't know, and I don't think

1418
01:09:33,577 --> 01:09:36,418
Speaker 4: there is. There probably isn't a consensus among all thirty

1419
01:09:36,418 --> 01:09:40,937
Speaker 4: two teams. So tem McMillan wide receiver one Will Johnson

1420
01:09:40,978 --> 01:09:43,057
Speaker 4: corner one, and it helps that neither of those spots

1421
01:09:43,058 --> 01:09:46,977
Speaker 4: are debatable. Beyond Hunter, Burton's not the wide receiver one anymore.

1422
01:09:47,378 --> 01:09:49,218
Speaker 4: Maybe Chavone Revel would have got there if he didn't

1423
01:09:49,218 --> 01:09:51,378
Speaker 4: tear his acl Well, we're a few months away from

1424
01:09:51,378 --> 01:09:54,657
Speaker 4: getting to him. Travis Hunter is the number one Travis

1425
01:09:54,737 --> 01:09:55,497
Speaker 4: Hunter in the draft.

1426
01:09:55,897 --> 01:10:00,418
Speaker 2: That's such a hue answer. I would urge people to

1427
01:10:01,378 --> 01:10:05,497
Speaker 2: watch a little bit more than just casually watching college

1428
01:10:05,497 --> 01:10:08,178
Speaker 2: football on a college football Saturday with Travis Hunter at

1429
01:10:08,178 --> 01:10:12,817
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Travis Hunder at wide receiver really impressed me,

1430
01:10:13,018 --> 01:10:16,897
Speaker 2: like really did. His instincts and his ball skills are

1431
01:10:16,897 --> 01:10:18,777
Speaker 2: a lot better than I thought they would be. What

1432
01:10:18,857 --> 01:10:21,378
Speaker 2: I mean by instincts is just sort of feeling out

1433
01:10:21,418 --> 01:10:24,218
Speaker 2: coverages and soft spots and working over the middle of

1434
01:10:24,218 --> 01:10:27,178
Speaker 2: the field, and working with his quarterback and tandem with

1435
01:10:27,258 --> 01:10:29,418
Speaker 2: Shador and being able to kind of play that two

1436
01:10:29,497 --> 01:10:31,857
Speaker 2: man game with the two of those guys when he

1437
01:10:31,897 --> 01:10:36,937
Speaker 2: goes off script and off platform. Hands like excellent hands,

1438
01:10:36,978 --> 01:10:40,657
Speaker 2: body control, ability to finish through contact at the catch point,

1439
01:10:40,857 --> 01:10:43,657
Speaker 2: like all these little detailed minutias that we talk about.

1440
01:10:43,657 --> 01:10:45,897
Speaker 2: I think the only thing that he's sort of missing

1441
01:10:46,258 --> 01:10:50,258
Speaker 2: from that standpoint is like, uh, you know, real route

1442
01:10:50,298 --> 01:10:54,258
Speaker 2: running ability against Manton Man. Yeah, Like that's probably the

1443
01:10:54,258 --> 01:10:56,897
Speaker 2: next step for him, is like learning all the little

1444
01:10:56,897 --> 01:10:59,218
Speaker 2: tricks of the trade of how but like if you

1445
01:10:59,258 --> 01:11:02,138
Speaker 2: have him focusing on that position, then he'll catch on

1446
01:11:02,218 --> 01:11:05,378
Speaker 2: to those types of things Letticism pops and then I

1447
01:11:05,378 --> 01:11:08,537
Speaker 2: would just say, you know, those details, the ability to

1448
01:11:08,577 --> 01:11:10,857
Speaker 2: find a soft spot in his zone, the ability to

1449
01:11:10,897 --> 01:11:13,857
Speaker 2: work in tandem with the quarterback off script, the ability

1450
01:11:13,897 --> 01:11:16,617
Speaker 2: to like he has some unreal catches on his tape,

1451
01:11:17,178 --> 01:11:19,657
Speaker 2: like really great plays at the at the catch point.

1452
01:11:19,857 --> 01:11:22,737
Speaker 2: So I really came away from his film just thinking

1453
01:11:22,777 --> 01:11:24,697
Speaker 2: a lot more of him as a receiver than I thought,

1454
01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:26,977
Speaker 2: because I was of the mind as well that he

1455
01:11:27,058 --> 01:11:29,017
Speaker 2: was a corner, like you know, and he was a

1456
01:11:29,018 --> 01:11:31,418
Speaker 2: better corner, and he might still be a better corner.

1457
01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:34,737
Speaker 2: But then we get into the conversation of positional value

1458
01:11:34,777 --> 01:11:36,537
Speaker 2: and what's more important in that sort of thing.

1459
01:11:37,178 --> 01:11:39,577
Speaker 4: So all I had this too on Hunter. I think

1460
01:11:39,617 --> 01:11:42,697
Speaker 4: a lot of people who aren't big time college football fans,

1461
01:11:43,218 --> 01:11:46,338
Speaker 4: they watched Colorado early on last year when they kind

1462
01:11:46,338 --> 01:11:49,777
Speaker 4: of made that initial surge, didn't follow him down the

1463
01:11:49,817 --> 01:11:52,137
Speaker 4: stretch and then this year, they weren't in the national

1464
01:11:52,178 --> 01:11:56,577
Speaker 4: picture till very late. It's night and day last year

1465
01:11:56,577 --> 01:11:59,338
Speaker 4: to this year. If you're thinking of Travis Hunter the

1466
01:11:59,378 --> 01:12:02,977
Speaker 4: receiver last year, I understand why maybe you're not super sold.

1467
01:12:03,098 --> 01:12:04,617
Speaker 4: I wasn't at first. I had to go back and

1468
01:12:04,657 --> 01:12:10,097
Speaker 4: revisit it. His improvement at receiver from twenty twenty three

1469
01:12:10,098 --> 01:12:12,897
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty four is immense. So if you're basing

1470
01:12:12,978 --> 01:12:15,418
Speaker 4: it off of what you saw during that last year,

1471
01:12:15,458 --> 01:12:17,697
Speaker 4: he was just kind of running the space and Shular

1472
01:12:17,817 --> 01:12:21,257
Speaker 4: was throwing on the ball. He wasn't like playing receiver

1473
01:12:21,338 --> 01:12:25,298
Speaker 4: at a super technically high level. He added the technical

1474
01:12:25,378 --> 01:12:27,338
Speaker 4: part to the position this offseason. He clearly put its

1475
01:12:27,338 --> 01:12:27,857
Speaker 4: ton of work in.

1476
01:12:27,897 --> 01:12:29,537
Speaker 2: On it well, because I think he wants to play.

1477
01:12:29,458 --> 01:12:31,298
Speaker 4: Because I think he went right exactly because he saw

1478
01:12:31,338 --> 01:12:34,097
Speaker 4: it was possibility in the NFL. Probably didn't consider that before.

1479
01:12:34,378 --> 01:12:39,458
Speaker 4: So don't you gotta go off of that more than

1480
01:12:39,497 --> 01:12:42,017
Speaker 4: just that initial burst last year? Like he he got

1481
01:12:42,018 --> 01:12:44,697
Speaker 4: tremendously better from last year this year, and even over

1482
01:12:44,737 --> 01:12:45,577
Speaker 4: the course of this year.

1483
01:12:45,657 --> 01:12:48,298
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have a list here of things I

1484
01:12:48,298 --> 01:12:51,057
Speaker 2: wanted to to hit on with the draft as well.

1485
01:12:51,058 --> 01:12:53,097
Speaker 2: I know we already, we're gonna get one tech McMillan

1486
01:12:53,138 --> 01:12:55,298
Speaker 2: taken there because I have a I did research on

1487
01:12:55,298 --> 01:12:58,298
Speaker 2: something and so I have him on my declared list here.

1488
01:12:58,777 --> 01:13:02,657
Speaker 2: So let's start because I have a recency bias. Oh boy,

1489
01:13:02,777 --> 01:13:05,537
Speaker 2: I already we already go in recent I.

1490
01:13:05,497 --> 01:13:06,977
Speaker 4: Have one too. Let me tell check my notes. I

1491
01:13:07,018 --> 01:13:07,617
Speaker 4: think I have one too.

1492
01:13:07,697 --> 01:13:11,258
Speaker 2: So we're already going recency by which is fun. But

1493
01:13:12,697 --> 01:13:15,137
Speaker 2: I have some Let's get to like the new Zier

1494
01:13:15,178 --> 01:13:18,138
Speaker 2: items first. Okay, So the big one I wanted to

1495
01:13:18,178 --> 01:13:21,937
Speaker 2: talk about today was I got my hands on the

1496
01:13:23,258 --> 01:13:26,178
Speaker 2: help me here Oregon Penn State with Big ten Big Ten.

1497
01:13:27,497 --> 01:13:29,098
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna knock you for not knowing the

1498
01:13:29,098 --> 01:13:30,458
Speaker 4: conferences at this point because.

1499
01:13:31,058 --> 01:13:33,178
Speaker 2: I didn't know before. I'm definitely not gonna note now.

1500
01:13:33,458 --> 01:13:36,497
Speaker 2: So the Big Ten championship game that was played last

1501
01:13:36,497 --> 01:13:39,418
Speaker 2: week in Oregon Penn State really fun game. I watched

1502
01:13:39,458 --> 01:13:42,017
Speaker 2: it live. We were even Jess was kind of into it.

1503
01:13:42,058 --> 01:13:43,497
Speaker 2: She was like, this is what the heck is going on?

1504
01:13:43,577 --> 01:13:45,458
Speaker 4: I was not expecting that to be a good game. Yeah,

1505
01:13:45,458 --> 01:13:48,937
Speaker 4: it was, especially following did you watch Texas Georgia till yes,

1506
01:13:48,978 --> 01:13:49,418
Speaker 4: a little bit.

1507
01:13:49,697 --> 01:13:51,657
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it as closely as I watched Oregon

1508
01:13:51,737 --> 01:13:55,697
Speaker 2: Penn State. But the two kind of big takeaways from

1509
01:13:55,697 --> 01:13:59,537
Speaker 2: Oregon Penn State. One, Abdul Carter is an absolute dude.

1510
01:13:59,657 --> 01:14:01,657
Speaker 2: Like that guy. I had him on my list of

1511
01:14:01,657 --> 01:14:04,137
Speaker 2: like top he was the top guy in my next tier.

1512
01:14:04,497 --> 01:14:06,617
Speaker 2: If the Patriots were to trade down a little bit.

1513
01:14:07,378 --> 01:14:09,258
Speaker 2: We talked about this when we were waiting to go

1514
01:14:09,298 --> 01:14:12,777
Speaker 2: out to practice today. I'm pretty close to moving him

1515
01:14:12,817 --> 01:14:15,538
Speaker 2: up into the S tier, Like he's.

1516
01:14:15,817 --> 01:14:18,097
Speaker 4: The worthy of a top five pick. You're not trading down,

1517
01:14:18,098 --> 01:14:19,137
Speaker 4: You're taking him on the spot.

1518
01:14:19,258 --> 01:14:22,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I'm close, And if he has a good playoff,

1519
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,537
Speaker 2: then he's gonna definitely be in this list for me,

1520
01:14:24,937 --> 01:14:27,137
Speaker 2: I think the things that stand out about his game

1521
01:14:27,497 --> 01:14:30,897
Speaker 2: and you know this is what I mentioned to you earlier. Yeah,

1522
01:14:30,937 --> 01:14:35,097
Speaker 2: I'm really big on I don't tell me the number,

1523
01:14:35,537 --> 01:14:38,418
Speaker 2: don't tell me the position. I just want to turn

1524
01:14:38,458 --> 01:14:40,298
Speaker 2: on the tape and be able to point to the

1525
01:14:40,298 --> 01:14:40,737
Speaker 2: guy I'm.

1526
01:14:40,617 --> 01:14:42,977
Speaker 4: Supposed to be. You can just tell this guy's different.

1527
01:14:43,098 --> 01:14:45,937
Speaker 2: He is a different human being. Like he moves differently

1528
01:14:45,978 --> 01:14:48,258
Speaker 2: than everybody else on the field. He moves like a

1529
01:14:48,258 --> 01:14:51,537
Speaker 2: top ten, top five, top ten pick in an NFL draft.

1530
01:14:52,138 --> 01:14:59,618
Speaker 2: His explosiveness and his just twitch and athleticism is incredible.

1531
01:14:59,657 --> 01:15:01,977
Speaker 2: It's elite, right like he's he is shot out of

1532
01:15:02,018 --> 01:15:04,057
Speaker 2: a cannon. I think one of the things that stood

1533
01:15:04,058 --> 01:15:07,097
Speaker 2: out to me though, the most about this film against

1534
01:15:07,178 --> 01:15:12,657
Speaker 2: Oregon for Abdul Carter, his effort and his motor in

1535
01:15:12,697 --> 01:15:17,577
Speaker 2: this game were awesome, Like he he was into it

1536
01:15:17,697 --> 01:15:19,617
Speaker 2: right like and he was You don't know what those

1537
01:15:19,657 --> 01:15:22,897
Speaker 2: types of guys like. I get it. He's competing at

1538
01:15:22,937 --> 01:15:25,977
Speaker 2: a high stage. He should be into it. It's a

1539
01:15:26,018 --> 01:15:29,017
Speaker 2: box check for him. But let's face it, he's going

1540
01:15:29,018 --> 01:15:31,258
Speaker 2: to the NFL next year one way or another, right,

1541
01:15:31,258 --> 01:15:33,298
Speaker 2: and he's gonna be a top five pick, top ten

1542
01:15:33,378 --> 01:15:36,097
Speaker 2: pick in this draft coming up one way or another.

1543
01:15:36,697 --> 01:15:39,217
Speaker 2: Even though he didn't recover it. To watch him dive

1544
01:15:39,617 --> 01:15:42,697
Speaker 2: for that fumble, there's a lot of guys that make

1545
01:15:42,697 --> 01:15:44,817
Speaker 2: a business decision there and don't get on the ground

1546
01:15:44,897 --> 01:15:45,418
Speaker 2: for that ball.

1547
01:15:45,577 --> 01:15:47,217
Speaker 4: APEX competitor, Yeah, and.

1548
01:15:47,138 --> 01:15:50,058
Speaker 2: So I loved that aspect of that game. You know,

1549
01:15:50,178 --> 01:15:53,057
Speaker 2: he has the athleticism, you know that he has the

1550
01:15:53,098 --> 01:15:57,577
Speaker 2: big splash playability with his explosiveness and ability to get

1551
01:15:57,617 --> 01:16:00,577
Speaker 2: off the ball. I thought it was really cool to

1552
01:16:00,657 --> 01:16:05,057
Speaker 2: watch him compete in that game against Oregon, and really

1553
01:16:05,458 --> 01:16:08,017
Speaker 2: I thought in the second half of the game kind

1554
01:16:08,018 --> 01:16:10,458
Speaker 2: of took over at times in the pass rush, Like

1555
01:16:10,458 --> 01:16:12,857
Speaker 2: Oregon sort of got away from their drop back passing

1556
01:16:12,857 --> 01:16:15,817
Speaker 2: game because Abdul Carter was just wrecking the right tackle

1557
01:16:15,937 --> 01:16:18,258
Speaker 2: and they just had no choice, right They were like,

1558
01:16:18,338 --> 01:16:21,378
Speaker 2: we can't. Eleven's just gonna kill us if we drop

1559
01:16:21,418 --> 01:16:23,777
Speaker 2: back pass. So they started to run the ball and

1560
01:16:23,857 --> 01:16:26,378
Speaker 2: run screens and all the different Oregon crap that they

1561
01:16:26,537 --> 01:16:27,258
Speaker 2: run well, and.

1562
01:16:27,657 --> 01:16:29,937
Speaker 4: Penn State hurt themselves. They stopped rushing and they started

1563
01:16:29,937 --> 01:16:30,777
Speaker 4: playing them off the ball.

1564
01:16:30,857 --> 01:16:32,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did a little spy stuff with him and

1565
01:16:32,937 --> 01:16:35,577
Speaker 2: a few drops with him in coverage. I didn't mind

1566
01:16:35,617 --> 01:16:38,218
Speaker 2: it as much watching back as a live I was like,

1567
01:16:38,218 --> 01:16:42,657
Speaker 2: what are you doing? But overall, I I don't know

1568
01:16:42,657 --> 01:16:45,298
Speaker 2: if I'm fully ready yet to put him in that

1569
01:16:45,617 --> 01:16:49,218
Speaker 2: you know, stick and pick category at three. But he's

1570
01:16:49,298 --> 01:16:52,617
Speaker 2: really darn close for me right now. And you know

1571
01:16:52,657 --> 01:16:56,338
Speaker 2: the exciting part about that. You start to talk about

1572
01:16:56,697 --> 01:17:00,418
Speaker 2: getting that defense back built up for the Patriots next season.

1573
01:17:00,857 --> 01:17:05,458
Speaker 2: How about Abdul Carter, Christian Barmore, Keon White coming at

1574
01:17:05,577 --> 01:17:09,897
Speaker 2: NFL quarterbacks next year? Like that is a legitimate pass rush.

1575
01:17:09,978 --> 01:17:12,178
Speaker 2: That is a problem with a pass rush. Then you

1576
01:17:12,178 --> 01:17:15,137
Speaker 2: have Christian Gonzalez of course in the secondary to number

1577
01:17:15,178 --> 01:17:18,737
Speaker 2: cover number one receivers barring the coaching holding them back,

1578
01:17:18,777 --> 01:17:21,378
Speaker 2: which it has the times this year, barring the coaching

1579
01:17:22,018 --> 01:17:25,378
Speaker 2: holding them back. That's that's a legitimate core in a

1580
01:17:25,418 --> 01:17:27,777
Speaker 2: young core at that as well. On the defense side

1581
01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:29,617
Speaker 2: of the ball. It's an exciting group if that's what

1582
01:17:29,697 --> 01:17:30,098
Speaker 2: you go with.

1583
01:17:30,258 --> 01:17:33,458
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's a ton of potential.

1584
01:17:33,537 --> 01:17:34,497
Speaker 4: There's a ton of upside there.

1585
01:17:34,577 --> 01:17:36,378
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's one of those guys too. You you

1586
01:17:36,418 --> 01:17:38,258
Speaker 2: mentioned him playing a little bit off the ball. He

1587
01:17:38,338 --> 01:17:40,418
Speaker 2: did that earlier on in his career at Penn State.

1588
01:17:40,697 --> 01:17:43,298
Speaker 2: He can also rush in line, like over the guard

1589
01:17:43,338 --> 01:17:46,057
Speaker 2: and over the center. He can stunt like you can

1590
01:17:46,378 --> 01:17:48,937
Speaker 2: loop him around and stuff like that. On stunts like

1591
01:17:48,978 --> 01:17:50,697
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of different things that you can

1592
01:17:50,737 --> 01:17:53,098
Speaker 2: do with an explosive player like that. You know, we

1593
01:17:53,138 --> 01:17:55,057
Speaker 2: were trying to come up with a comp for him.

1594
01:17:55,298 --> 01:17:57,778
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair to compare guys to Micah Parsons,

1595
01:17:57,817 --> 01:18:01,577
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't put anybody in Micah Parsons's category, But

1596
01:18:01,737 --> 01:18:04,217
Speaker 2: he does worry number eleven. He does go to Penn State.

1597
01:18:04,657 --> 01:18:08,058
Speaker 2: He is a screamer. Like there's a lot of you know,

1598
01:18:08,298 --> 01:18:11,418
Speaker 2: maybe Michaeh Parsons light just to be polite to Abdul

1599
01:18:11,458 --> 01:18:15,537
Speaker 2: Carter and Michaeh Parsons, but exciting player. The other guy

1600
01:18:15,577 --> 01:18:18,897
Speaker 2: that you know is the focus when I was watching,

1601
01:18:19,298 --> 01:18:22,537
Speaker 2: of course, was Josh connerly the left tackle for Oregon.

1602
01:18:23,058 --> 01:18:26,137
Speaker 2: So a couple of things that stand out about him.

1603
01:18:26,537 --> 01:18:29,577
Speaker 2: First of all, I've been big on this true junior.

1604
01:18:30,458 --> 01:18:32,057
Speaker 2: He's only twenty, he's gonna be twenty one years.

1605
01:18:32,338 --> 01:18:34,258
Speaker 4: All these guys are. It's a weird thing with his

1606
01:18:34,298 --> 01:18:36,338
Speaker 4: class pretty much. All these guys are true juniors. And

1607
01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:38,577
Speaker 4: just to piggyback off of that because I love this

1608
01:18:38,697 --> 01:18:42,697
Speaker 4: element of it. So Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks also true juniors. Yeah,

1609
01:18:42,937 --> 01:18:47,258
Speaker 4: the number one offensive line recruit in that class, not

1610
01:18:47,338 --> 01:18:50,458
Speaker 4: Will Campbell, not Kelvin Banks, was Josh Connery. Yeah, Banks,

1611
01:18:51,058 --> 01:18:54,017
Speaker 4: Campbelon Banks jumped in because they started all three years.

1612
01:18:54,018 --> 01:18:56,737
Speaker 4: They started as true freshman. Connory was buried in Oregon,

1613
01:18:57,018 --> 01:18:58,617
Speaker 4: I think either as one and a half or two

1614
01:18:58,617 --> 01:19:01,697
Speaker 4: full years as a starter. But we know that Bill

1615
01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:03,218
Speaker 4: would do this right, go back and look at the

1616
01:19:03,258 --> 01:19:05,897
Speaker 4: high school rankings and maybe did something get lost in

1617
01:19:05,937 --> 01:19:07,977
Speaker 4: the wash at the college level that we can top

1618
01:19:08,138 --> 01:19:10,937
Speaker 4: out on. Three years ago, Josh Connery was considered the

1619
01:19:10,937 --> 01:19:12,097
Speaker 4: best of these three players.

1620
01:19:12,178 --> 01:19:17,258
Speaker 2: So he's clearly got in my mind, and not top

1621
01:19:17,298 --> 01:19:20,178
Speaker 2: half of the first round, but first round athleticism. Like

1622
01:19:20,178 --> 01:19:24,258
Speaker 2: he's got first round physical tools to his game, springy

1623
01:19:24,338 --> 01:19:26,697
Speaker 2: right out of his stance, can mirror the edge, did

1624
01:19:26,697 --> 01:19:31,097
Speaker 2: a really nice job on multiple reps running Abdul Carter

1625
01:19:31,178 --> 01:19:33,418
Speaker 2: pass the quarterback, Like, he can get to those spots

1626
01:19:33,418 --> 01:19:35,817
Speaker 2: and he can push guys past the QB and he

1627
01:19:35,857 --> 01:19:39,497
Speaker 2: can pass protect on an island. He's an athletic guy,

1628
01:19:40,138 --> 01:19:42,697
Speaker 2: so he can reach and he can move in the

1629
01:19:42,777 --> 01:19:45,857
Speaker 2: run game, have a couple of really good poles and

1630
01:19:45,937 --> 01:19:49,777
Speaker 2: climbs and reaches an outside zone and like all that

1631
01:19:49,897 --> 01:19:53,458
Speaker 2: good stuff. So when you start to talk about assuming

1632
01:19:53,497 --> 01:19:56,697
Speaker 2: it's Alex van Pelt, assuming it's Scott Peters, you know,

1633
01:19:56,777 --> 01:19:59,697
Speaker 2: back here again next year for the Patriots. He fits

1634
01:19:59,737 --> 01:20:03,378
Speaker 2: the mold of like a zone blocking left tackle right,

1635
01:20:03,418 --> 01:20:05,777
Speaker 2: Like you have an athletic guy that can move at

1636
01:20:05,777 --> 01:20:08,458
Speaker 2: the position, that can pin pole and that can crack

1637
01:20:08,577 --> 01:20:12,097
Speaker 2: toss and that can outside zone, that can pass protect

1638
01:20:12,577 --> 01:20:15,897
Speaker 2: on an island, that left tackle. He fits the mold. Now,

1639
01:20:16,978 --> 01:20:18,617
Speaker 2: some of the things that I saw in his game,

1640
01:20:19,218 --> 01:20:21,777
Speaker 2: there are some holes, Like there's gonna be some you know.

1641
01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:23,817
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a swing in baseball where you

1642
01:20:23,897 --> 01:20:25,817
Speaker 2: have like one part of your swing that just has

1643
01:20:25,817 --> 01:20:27,857
Speaker 2: a hole in it, right, Like he has that with

1644
01:20:27,937 --> 01:20:31,178
Speaker 2: his past sets where he'll open the the inside a

1645
01:20:31,218 --> 01:20:33,537
Speaker 2: little bit too much much in play with a soft

1646
01:20:33,537 --> 01:20:36,497
Speaker 2: inside shoulder. He's gonna have to clean that up, you know,

1647
01:20:36,617 --> 01:20:40,178
Speaker 2: not over set and get himself extended to the outside.

1648
01:20:40,298 --> 01:20:42,137
Speaker 2: You know, ab Dual Carter beat him a few times

1649
01:20:42,138 --> 01:20:45,497
Speaker 2: by going back inside, right, he would set to the outside,

1650
01:20:45,697 --> 01:20:47,777
Speaker 2: he'd get to the apex of the rush, and then

1651
01:20:48,338 --> 01:20:50,258
Speaker 2: Dual Carter would hit him with you know, like a

1652
01:20:50,298 --> 01:20:52,817
Speaker 2: swim or a little stab or something and get back

1653
01:20:52,857 --> 01:20:55,577
Speaker 2: to the inside. He's gonna have to clean that up

1654
01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:58,338
Speaker 2: a little bit. He's not the biggest people mover, Like

1655
01:20:58,497 --> 01:21:03,218
Speaker 2: this is not a downhill run blocking tackle. But if

1656
01:21:03,258 --> 01:21:07,497
Speaker 2: you're gonna be a stretch, you know, outside zone type

1657
01:21:07,497 --> 01:21:10,137
Speaker 2: of run game and you want somebody that can pass

1658
01:21:10,138 --> 01:21:12,737
Speaker 2: protect and protect the edge, he fits the bill. He

1659
01:21:12,777 --> 01:21:13,418
Speaker 2: fits the mold.

1660
01:21:14,018 --> 01:21:16,817
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, and I think he's the guy. Again. He

1661
01:21:16,857 --> 01:21:19,617
Speaker 4: has less experience, so that's why he's not there with

1662
01:21:19,657 --> 01:21:23,218
Speaker 4: campbellon Banks, but projected second round right now. I don't

1663
01:21:23,218 --> 01:21:27,138
Speaker 4: know that that stays. But that guy we talked about

1664
01:21:27,657 --> 01:21:30,897
Speaker 4: Josh Simmons last week, I think he's that guy. People

1665
01:21:30,897 --> 01:21:33,897
Speaker 4: want Josh Simmons to be. Where you can take Travis Hunter,

1666
01:21:33,937 --> 01:21:35,977
Speaker 4: Teed McMillan, Abdul Carter at the top of the draft

1667
01:21:35,978 --> 01:21:39,657
Speaker 4: and still get your potential franchise tackle. It's more second

1668
01:21:39,697 --> 01:21:41,977
Speaker 4: pick than second round. You're probably gonna have to move up.

1669
01:21:42,018 --> 01:21:43,697
Speaker 4: Can you move up into the twenties and take him?

1670
01:21:43,817 --> 01:21:46,058
Speaker 4: It's kind of moved they should consider making agree. But

1671
01:21:46,218 --> 01:21:49,057
Speaker 4: he has legitimate franchise tackle upside, He's not as polished

1672
01:21:49,098 --> 01:21:51,178
Speaker 4: as the other two. He's what I call a year

1673
01:21:51,218 --> 01:21:53,617
Speaker 4: one starter, maybe more than a day one starter. But

1674
01:21:54,258 --> 01:21:56,817
Speaker 4: I mean, if they we were talking earlier about Cam Robinson,

1675
01:21:56,857 --> 01:21:58,458
Speaker 4: you come out with Cam Robinson on a one year

1676
01:21:58,497 --> 01:22:01,857
Speaker 4: deal and Josh Connolly with your second pick, I would

1677
01:22:01,897 --> 01:22:03,937
Speaker 4: say that they've properly addressed the tackle position.

1678
01:22:04,098 --> 01:22:08,577
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, he's the guy that look and I

1679
01:22:08,657 --> 01:22:10,378
Speaker 2: want to see him in the playoff and like, let's

1680
01:22:10,378 --> 01:22:12,338
Speaker 2: see some more tape. I've only watched one game. I

1681
01:22:12,378 --> 01:22:14,577
Speaker 2: have the Ohio State game loaded for the plane, so

1682
01:22:14,777 --> 01:22:15,817
Speaker 2: we'll watch that one too.

1683
01:22:15,937 --> 01:22:18,817
Speaker 4: But then Oregon's in that that murderer's row of the

1684
01:22:18,857 --> 01:22:22,698
Speaker 4: bracket where he's either gonna get James Pearce or Jack Sawyer.

1685
01:22:22,497 --> 01:22:24,897
Speaker 2: In the first row, right, So he's already played Ohio

1686
01:22:24,897 --> 01:22:27,657
Speaker 2: State right once before earlier this year. So I'm gonna

1687
01:22:27,657 --> 01:22:30,258
Speaker 2: watch that on the plane on Friday to Arizona, so I'll.

1688
01:22:30,537 --> 01:22:32,178
Speaker 4: So he'll do that, and then he'll either get in

1689
01:22:32,178 --> 01:22:34,137
Speaker 4: the first round playoff, either get a Hio State again

1690
01:22:34,617 --> 01:22:37,577
Speaker 4: or Tennessee, which James Pearce is another first round edge rushing. Yeah,

1691
01:22:37,577 --> 01:22:39,937
Speaker 4: so'd be good to see because he's gonna get some quality,

1692
01:22:40,018 --> 01:22:40,697
Speaker 4: quality reps here.

1693
01:22:40,817 --> 01:22:42,458
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be good to see because the one thing

1694
01:22:42,497 --> 01:22:44,537
Speaker 2: that I worry about with him a little bit is

1695
01:22:44,737 --> 01:22:47,338
Speaker 2: his play strength and his anchor, Like I think he

1696
01:22:47,378 --> 01:22:50,337
Speaker 2: can get pushed around at times, but at the same time.

1697
01:22:50,338 --> 01:22:52,178
Speaker 4: Pierce isn't the guy to judgem against because Pierce is

1698
01:22:52,178 --> 01:22:52,418
Speaker 4: a fan.

1699
01:22:52,777 --> 01:22:55,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that was like sort of as the

1700
01:22:55,098 --> 01:22:57,258
Speaker 2: game were on, And I love the chess match between

1701
01:22:57,258 --> 01:23:00,057
Speaker 2: a good pass rusher and a tackle because like Abdul

1702
01:23:00,098 --> 01:23:02,298
Speaker 2: Carter kept on trying to beat him around the edge,

1703
01:23:02,497 --> 01:23:04,857
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna beat Josh Connerly around the edge,

1704
01:23:04,857 --> 01:23:07,178
Speaker 2: like he's got too much athleticism and he's too quick

1705
01:23:07,218 --> 01:23:10,017
Speaker 2: on his feet. It's gonna be really hard to do that.

1706
01:23:10,138 --> 01:23:12,257
Speaker 2: But as the game we're on, all of a sudden,

1707
01:23:12,298 --> 01:23:15,137
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter was like, oh, well, if I go really

1708
01:23:15,178 --> 01:23:18,017
Speaker 2: hard for three steps out, then he's going to open

1709
01:23:18,058 --> 01:23:20,378
Speaker 2: the inside and I can swim back into the inside.

1710
01:23:20,537 --> 01:23:22,697
Speaker 2: So that was sort of that, you know, we'll see

1711
01:23:22,697 --> 01:23:24,897
Speaker 2: what a guy like James Pierce like if he opens

1712
01:23:24,978 --> 01:23:27,057
Speaker 2: up again, right, Like, does he get himself opened up

1713
01:23:27,178 --> 01:23:29,737
Speaker 2: and over commit to the outside rush, then he'll give

1714
01:23:29,817 --> 01:23:30,418
Speaker 2: up the inside.

1715
01:23:30,817 --> 01:23:32,178
Speaker 4: Was that your recency bias guy?

1716
01:23:32,258 --> 01:23:34,937
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, okay, But I was impressed with the

1717
01:23:34,978 --> 01:23:36,977
Speaker 2: game that I watched. Now a lot of people would

1718
01:23:37,018 --> 01:23:39,418
Speaker 2: tell you that the Big Ten Championship game was his

1719
01:23:39,418 --> 01:23:41,857
Speaker 2: best game of the year, So I'll have to watch

1720
01:23:41,857 --> 01:23:42,577
Speaker 2: some more with him.

1721
01:23:42,817 --> 01:23:45,218
Speaker 4: You know where a ceiling is, though, and that's.

1722
01:23:45,178 --> 01:23:47,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where his ceiling is. And I would

1723
01:23:47,258 --> 01:23:50,338
Speaker 2: also just say, as much as you know, I don't

1724
01:23:50,418 --> 01:23:54,657
Speaker 2: necessarily wholly agree with this take if you want to

1725
01:23:54,657 --> 01:23:59,738
Speaker 2: start building, you know, mock drafts or go through scenarios

1726
01:24:00,058 --> 01:24:02,258
Speaker 2: where they still can pick. You know, the three guys

1727
01:24:02,298 --> 01:24:06,098
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, Hunter, McMillan, Carter at the top of

1728
01:24:06,138 --> 01:24:08,817
Speaker 2: the draft and then still get a tackle with real

1729
01:24:08,897 --> 01:24:12,298
Speaker 2: premium starter upside. Then Connerly I think fits that. Bill.

1730
01:24:12,577 --> 01:24:15,338
Speaker 2: He might be that guy at thirty four in this draft.

1731
01:24:15,537 --> 01:24:17,098
Speaker 4: I don't think he's falling that far. But do you

1732
01:24:17,138 --> 01:24:20,297
Speaker 4: move thirty four, maybe that third you got for Judah

1733
01:24:20,897 --> 01:24:23,818
Speaker 4: and a future pick get up to the twenties. Yeah,

1734
01:24:23,937 --> 01:24:28,737
Speaker 4: and that's I second round pick in second pick, need

1735
01:24:28,817 --> 01:24:34,017
Speaker 4: to they're not anonymous for this team. There's real arguments

1736
01:24:34,098 --> 01:24:35,857
Speaker 4: we made their second pick should be in the first round.

1737
01:24:36,218 --> 01:24:37,497
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1738
01:24:37,577 --> 01:24:39,537
Speaker 4: And if so, Connorly is the exact kind of guy.

1739
01:24:39,617 --> 01:24:41,777
Speaker 2: Okay, So a few more guys that declared, and then

1740
01:24:41,817 --> 01:24:45,138
Speaker 2: we'll get to recency byas Mason Graham declared. And I

1741
01:24:45,178 --> 01:24:48,617
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's surprised by that. So what I saw

1742
01:24:48,657 --> 01:24:50,897
Speaker 2: with Mason Graham throw on his table real quick.

1743
01:24:50,897 --> 01:24:52,897
Speaker 4: Sorry, cutch Off. Yeah, none of these guys have None

1744
01:24:52,937 --> 01:24:56,218
Speaker 4: of these have been surprises. There's one guy every year

1745
01:24:56,338 --> 01:24:58,137
Speaker 4: was Fashan who a couple of years ago. Remember, Yeah,

1746
01:24:58,138 --> 01:25:00,017
Speaker 4: that is like a top fifteen pick that, for one

1747
01:25:00,018 --> 01:25:02,657
Speaker 4: reason or the other goes back to school still waiting

1748
01:25:02,697 --> 01:25:03,937
Speaker 4: to see who that is because we haven't had that

1749
01:25:03,978 --> 01:25:06,097
Speaker 4: surprise yet this year. Yes, class can't afford it.

1750
01:25:06,378 --> 01:25:10,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Mason Graham. I made this comparison when I

1751
01:25:10,418 --> 01:25:13,178
Speaker 2: was texting you about him. I see a lot of

1752
01:25:13,218 --> 01:25:16,218
Speaker 2: Brandon Fiskey with the Rams and Mason Graham maybe like

1753
01:25:16,218 --> 01:25:21,617
Speaker 2: a more complete pro style defensive tackle, maybe a little

1754
01:25:21,657 --> 01:25:24,577
Speaker 2: bit better against the run. But Brandon Fiskey has had

1755
01:25:24,617 --> 01:25:27,058
Speaker 2: an awesome year for the Rams, and you see a

1756
01:25:27,098 --> 01:25:30,857
Speaker 2: lot of the same traits with Mason Graham. Just really

1757
01:25:30,978 --> 01:25:34,097
Speaker 2: quick into his gaps, you know, shot out of cannon

1758
01:25:34,138 --> 01:25:39,017
Speaker 2: off the ball, explosive, high motor, a bunch of different

1759
01:25:39,018 --> 01:25:41,097
Speaker 2: pass rush moves that he can use in his arsenal.

1760
01:25:41,098 --> 01:25:42,817
Speaker 2: His arm over is his best, but he has a

1761
01:25:42,817 --> 01:25:45,857
Speaker 2: couple of different ones. A really good push poll too,

1762
01:25:45,857 --> 01:25:48,777
Speaker 2: which is a nice compliment to the arm over. He's

1763
01:25:48,777 --> 01:25:52,697
Speaker 2: got some stuff in his toolbox and uh, and you

1764
01:25:52,737 --> 01:25:57,177
Speaker 2: see these combinations of things that he has. I would say,

1765
01:25:57,537 --> 01:25:59,338
Speaker 2: is that your fourth water of this show?

1766
01:25:59,577 --> 01:26:02,218
Speaker 4: I'm well, one of them is like frozen, so there's

1767
01:26:02,258 --> 01:26:04,058
Speaker 4: still a bunch in there, but it doesn't help me.

1768
01:26:04,138 --> 01:26:11,418
Speaker 2: But yeah, uh, My thing with Mason Graham is that

1769
01:26:12,338 --> 01:26:15,178
Speaker 2: in the NFL, I think he's a three technique through

1770
01:26:15,218 --> 01:26:17,617
Speaker 2: and through, Like I don't think that this is I

1771
01:26:17,737 --> 01:26:19,617
Speaker 2: was hoping that maybe he was gonna be a little

1772
01:26:19,617 --> 01:26:22,697
Speaker 2: bit stouter to play him over the tax Yeah, so

1773
01:26:22,777 --> 01:26:27,418
Speaker 2: you could play him in Barmore together more regularly. To me,

1774
01:26:28,817 --> 01:26:33,138
Speaker 2: I'm just not necessarily seeing the great fit because you're

1775
01:26:33,138 --> 01:26:36,138
Speaker 2: gonna also have to have Keon White rush on the

1776
01:26:36,138 --> 01:26:39,218
Speaker 2: interior on third downs two, So like now you're talking

1777
01:26:39,218 --> 01:26:44,537
Speaker 2: about getting three true interior guys all on the field

1778
01:26:44,577 --> 01:26:47,017
Speaker 2: at the same time, and I don't know if there's

1779
01:26:47,058 --> 01:26:50,258
Speaker 2: a path to that necessarily for the Patriots. I didn't

1780
01:26:50,338 --> 01:26:54,378
Speaker 2: love some of Mason Graham his run defense tape. I

1781
01:26:54,378 --> 01:26:56,258
Speaker 2: think he plays with high pads. I think he gets

1782
01:26:56,258 --> 01:26:59,418
Speaker 2: moved off the ball a little bit too much. So

1783
01:26:59,497 --> 01:27:01,817
Speaker 2: the further away that you move him away from the ball,

1784
01:27:02,537 --> 01:27:04,697
Speaker 2: the harder it's gonna be for him to just penetrate

1785
01:27:04,737 --> 01:27:07,218
Speaker 2: and make plays in the backfield. So he's got a

1786
01:27:07,258 --> 01:27:09,778
Speaker 2: play of like I would say as a three technique,

1787
01:27:09,777 --> 01:27:13,537
Speaker 2: pure three technique in between the guard, in the in

1788
01:27:13,577 --> 01:27:17,458
Speaker 2: the tackle, like that's his natural position. So you start

1789
01:27:17,497 --> 01:27:20,617
Speaker 2: talking about how does the puzzle pieces fit together, It's

1790
01:27:20,617 --> 01:27:23,617
Speaker 2: a little bit about like Ted McMillan and T Higgins, right, like,

1791
01:27:23,697 --> 01:27:27,697
Speaker 2: how do the puzzle pieces fit together? Really really high

1792
01:27:27,817 --> 01:27:30,057
Speaker 2: end talent. I just don't necessarily know if it makes

1793
01:27:30,058 --> 01:27:31,418
Speaker 2: a lot of sense for the Patriots.

1794
01:27:31,937 --> 01:27:34,697
Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing I said last week. If that's the

1795
01:27:34,777 --> 01:27:38,218
Speaker 4: kind of player you want, and not that high of

1796
01:27:38,258 --> 01:27:40,817
Speaker 4: an investment on that guy, trade down, take Dean Walker.

1797
01:27:41,058 --> 01:27:43,937
Speaker 4: Add more, you can't burn that pick on a player

1798
01:27:43,978 --> 01:27:47,657
Speaker 4: that Look, they need blue chip talent, and he's blue

1799
01:27:47,697 --> 01:27:50,057
Speaker 4: chip talent. But Christian Barmore is one of the few

1800
01:27:50,058 --> 01:27:53,697
Speaker 4: blue chip players you have. You don't I talk about

1801
01:27:53,737 --> 01:27:56,057
Speaker 4: upgrades in additions when we come to the draft, where

1802
01:27:56,378 --> 01:27:58,577
Speaker 4: an upgrade is a better version of a player you

1803
01:27:58,657 --> 01:28:00,577
Speaker 4: already have. And I don't even think Graham's an upgrade.

1804
01:28:00,737 --> 01:28:04,057
Speaker 4: But they need additions. They need guys that bring things

1805
01:28:04,058 --> 01:28:06,577
Speaker 4: they don't have. Graham's a really good player, and they

1806
01:28:06,617 --> 01:28:08,697
Speaker 4: need good players, but they happen to have a guy

1807
01:28:08,697 --> 01:28:10,057
Speaker 4: that does what he does at a high level.

1808
01:28:10,138 --> 01:28:12,058
Speaker 2: You basically would have three guys that all want to

1809
01:28:12,098 --> 01:28:14,138
Speaker 2: rush on the guards, right, and you can only have

1810
01:28:14,178 --> 01:28:16,737
Speaker 2: two guys that rush on the guard on any given play, right,

1811
01:28:16,817 --> 01:28:19,497
Speaker 2: So at that point, trying to find that that usually

1812
01:28:19,537 --> 01:28:22,657
Speaker 2: would mean someone's playing at a position or not to

1813
01:28:22,737 --> 01:28:25,897
Speaker 2: their strength. Right, So you're trying to find the pieces.

1814
01:28:25,937 --> 01:28:30,737
Speaker 2: Whereas like a guy like Abdul Carter clearly an edge rusher, right, then.

1815
01:28:30,978 --> 01:28:32,458
Speaker 4: He's your Matthew jud Yeah.

1816
01:28:32,537 --> 01:28:34,977
Speaker 2: Right, you can see how those puzzle pieces fit together.

1817
01:28:35,458 --> 01:28:37,977
Speaker 2: The other guy that declared who I feel similarly about,

1818
01:28:37,978 --> 01:28:40,298
Speaker 2: but also one of these you know, blue chip town

1819
01:28:40,497 --> 01:28:42,657
Speaker 2: Will Johnson, who we talked a little bit about earlier.

1820
01:28:43,098 --> 01:28:45,977
Speaker 2: He declared out of Michigan as well. What I do

1821
01:28:46,138 --> 01:28:48,977
Speaker 2: like about Will Johnson goes back to my true junior thing.

1822
01:28:49,617 --> 01:28:51,378
Speaker 2: We all knew Will Johnson was going to be a

1823
01:28:51,378 --> 01:28:54,098
Speaker 2: top ten pick in this draft last year after the

1824
01:28:54,178 --> 01:28:57,218
Speaker 2: National Championship Game, right, Like he was already there. This

1825
01:28:57,378 --> 01:28:59,378
Speaker 2: was like a bonus year for him in college just

1826
01:28:59,418 --> 01:29:02,378
Speaker 2: because he had to get to the minimum requirement to

1827
01:29:02,418 --> 01:29:05,298
Speaker 2: be eligible for the NFL. So I don't really put

1828
01:29:05,298 --> 01:29:07,737
Speaker 2: a whole lot of stock in his tape or I

1829
01:29:07,777 --> 01:29:10,657
Speaker 2: know he had some like injuries and some issues this year.

1830
01:29:10,737 --> 01:29:13,258
Speaker 4: He got hurt six games in and then there were

1831
01:29:13,298 --> 01:29:15,258
Speaker 4: some questions about like was he doing the most he

1832
01:29:15,298 --> 01:29:15,977
Speaker 4: could get back?

1833
01:29:16,058 --> 01:29:18,617
Speaker 2: He might have shut down. Yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily

1834
01:29:18,697 --> 01:29:21,138
Speaker 2: knock guys for that. I know some people do. I

1835
01:29:21,178 --> 01:29:23,977
Speaker 2: know it's not some people's cup of teacas. They want

1836
01:29:23,978 --> 01:29:26,817
Speaker 2: competitors and all that kind of stuff. I don't necessarily

1837
01:29:26,897 --> 01:29:29,418
Speaker 2: not guys for that as much. You know. I'll give

1838
01:29:29,418 --> 01:29:31,777
Speaker 2: you a great example of the Jamar Chase.

1839
01:29:31,857 --> 01:29:33,737
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase is the one everybody goes back to.

1840
01:29:33,937 --> 01:29:37,017
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase said the exact same thing. It hasn't done anything.

1841
01:29:37,018 --> 01:29:38,697
Speaker 4: Well, no, he literally just sat out the year.

1842
01:29:38,817 --> 01:29:41,817
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh he he did pretty good in the NFL.

1843
01:29:42,058 --> 01:29:44,937
Speaker 2: Leonard Fournette like a little bit, remember like he goes

1844
01:29:44,978 --> 01:29:45,978
Speaker 2: back to LSU.

1845
01:29:45,737 --> 01:29:47,937
Speaker 4: For that last yearn Marvin Harrison, there were some question

1846
01:29:48,058 --> 01:29:50,258
Speaker 4: well not games, but like he didn't even do the

1847
01:29:50,298 --> 01:29:52,577
Speaker 4: pro day. Yeah, we've heard of guys sitting out the combine,

1848
01:29:52,577 --> 01:29:54,657
Speaker 4: but didn't he sit out his pro day? There was

1849
01:29:54,697 --> 01:29:57,338
Speaker 4: something weird where like he wasn't doing things that everybody

1850
01:29:57,338 --> 01:29:57,817
Speaker 4: else was doing.

1851
01:29:57,978 --> 01:30:00,218
Speaker 2: So needless to say, I don't put a ton of

1852
01:30:00,218 --> 01:30:03,817
Speaker 2: stock in that kind of stuff. But Will Johnson, just

1853
01:30:03,817 --> 01:30:05,737
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on him as a prospect.

1854
01:30:06,098 --> 01:30:10,057
Speaker 4: Really good man corner, like he is a Bill Belichick corner.

1855
01:30:10,098 --> 01:30:12,577
Speaker 4: He's got the length, he's got the mirroring skills, he's

1856
01:30:12,617 --> 01:30:16,977
Speaker 4: got the instincts. He's not an elite, elite athlete, but

1857
01:30:17,138 --> 01:30:20,617
Speaker 4: he's like Gonzales. He's not quite the athlete Gonzalez is,

1858
01:30:20,657 --> 01:30:23,898
Speaker 4: for instance, but I think he's more polished than Gonzalez

1859
01:30:23,978 --> 01:30:28,338
Speaker 4: was coming out. Just technically, he's amazing technically and for

1860
01:30:28,378 --> 01:30:31,737
Speaker 4: a team like the Patriots, Okay, Gonzalez, who's the athlete?

1861
01:30:32,138 --> 01:30:33,977
Speaker 4: So how many times are you going to face two

1862
01:30:33,978 --> 01:30:38,097
Speaker 4: teams with two receivers? Right? So him and Gonzales within

1863
01:30:38,178 --> 01:30:40,497
Speaker 4: two years would probably be top three, if not the

1864
01:30:40,537 --> 01:30:43,057
Speaker 4: best corner to tandem in the league. And it's different

1865
01:30:43,098 --> 01:30:45,497
Speaker 4: than Mason Graham. People hear me say this, right, Oh,

1866
01:30:45,577 --> 01:30:48,178
Speaker 4: you just said they shouldn't draft Mason Graham. This overlap. Well,

1867
01:30:48,218 --> 01:30:50,338
Speaker 4: you can put two corners, two boundary corners on the

1868
01:30:50,338 --> 01:30:52,497
Speaker 4: field at the same time. It's harder with you know,

1869
01:30:52,617 --> 01:30:55,537
Speaker 4: rushing rushing up the middle. So if that's the route

1870
01:30:55,537 --> 01:30:57,857
Speaker 4: the Patriots want to go, I'd understand it. I'd probably

1871
01:30:57,978 --> 01:31:00,777
Speaker 4: rather trade down spread the wealth. This is not a

1872
01:31:00,817 --> 01:31:04,218
Speaker 4: great cornerback draft if that's where they want to make

1873
01:31:04,258 --> 01:31:07,857
Speaker 4: a premium edition. So I'll I mentioned this name earlier

1874
01:31:08,617 --> 01:31:10,977
Speaker 4: just to kind of put the bow on it. Chevon Revel,

1875
01:31:11,018 --> 01:31:13,418
Speaker 4: who I'm gonna guess you haven't done any work on.

1876
01:31:13,777 --> 01:31:15,338
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with him. So there's

1877
01:31:15,338 --> 01:31:17,977
Speaker 4: only one other corner projected to go in the first

1878
01:31:18,018 --> 01:31:20,897
Speaker 4: round this year, or at least it you know, was

1879
01:31:20,937 --> 01:31:23,777
Speaker 4: projected going in the first round, Jeavon Revel from ECU,

1880
01:31:23,937 --> 01:31:27,697
Speaker 4: and he tore his ACL midway through the season, so

1881
01:31:27,697 --> 01:31:30,218
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with him. Benjamin Morrison from Notre

1882
01:31:30,258 --> 01:31:31,897
Speaker 4: Dame has kind of been in the conversation as well

1883
01:31:31,937 --> 01:31:32,458
Speaker 4: as well, But.

1884
01:31:32,418 --> 01:31:33,737
Speaker 2: Like, this draft stinks.

1885
01:31:33,857 --> 01:31:36,057
Speaker 4: If you want a blue chip corner, yeah it's Will

1886
01:31:36,138 --> 01:31:39,138
Speaker 4: Johnson or again, Travis Hunter is his own thing, the

1887
01:31:39,218 --> 01:31:41,338
Speaker 4: number one Travis Hunter in the draft. But if you

1888
01:31:41,378 --> 01:31:43,898
Speaker 4: want that guy to pair full time with Christian Gonzales,

1889
01:31:44,098 --> 01:31:45,977
Speaker 4: it's probably Will Johnson. Do you want to do that

1890
01:31:46,258 --> 01:31:47,338
Speaker 4: or would you rather spread it?

1891
01:31:47,378 --> 01:31:50,178
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm not really super high on doing that.

1892
01:31:50,218 --> 01:31:52,458
Speaker 2: I think it's more of like a philosophical thing where

1893
01:31:52,458 --> 01:31:55,458
Speaker 2: I feel like, if they build a pass rush then

1894
01:31:55,577 --> 01:31:57,537
Speaker 2: I think their corners are good enough that they can

1895
01:31:57,537 --> 01:31:59,937
Speaker 2: cover on the back end. Right now, I say the

1896
01:31:59,978 --> 01:32:02,658
Speaker 2: biggest problem with the Patriots defense is not their cornerbacks.

1897
01:32:02,657 --> 01:32:05,258
Speaker 2: It's their coverage or their pass rush. To excuse me,

1898
01:32:05,777 --> 01:32:08,137
Speaker 2: So I would look at that, you know, the Patriots

1899
01:32:08,218 --> 01:32:12,258
Speaker 2: right now, just analytically. I believe there. It fluctuates every week.

1900
01:32:12,338 --> 01:32:14,338
Speaker 2: I think it's twenty seventh right now in the league

1901
01:32:14,338 --> 01:32:16,418
Speaker 2: in pressure rate. Like that to me is the number

1902
01:32:16,418 --> 01:32:18,497
Speaker 2: one issue with this pass defense. It's that they can't

1903
01:32:18,497 --> 01:32:20,697
Speaker 2: get to the quarterback. I don't think that their corners

1904
01:32:21,058 --> 01:32:24,458
Speaker 2: have been terrible by any stretch of the imagination. Now

1905
01:32:24,497 --> 01:32:27,418
Speaker 2: do they need that what we always talk about, that

1906
01:32:27,537 --> 01:32:30,458
Speaker 2: big outside guy right that can play the boundary against

1907
01:32:30,537 --> 01:32:34,657
Speaker 2: bigger receivers opposite Gonzales, Yeah, they do. But I wonder

1908
01:32:34,697 --> 01:32:36,657
Speaker 2: if that's Alex Austin a little bit. I wonder if

1909
01:32:36,657 --> 01:32:37,418
Speaker 2: that's a free agency.

1910
01:32:37,378 --> 01:32:39,537
Speaker 4: I think that's more a free agency. We talked about

1911
01:32:39,537 --> 01:32:40,137
Speaker 4: Carlton Davis.

1912
01:32:40,218 --> 01:32:43,737
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Carlton Davis or you know, any one of

1913
01:32:43,777 --> 01:32:45,218
Speaker 2: these guys that are going to be you know, there

1914
01:32:45,218 --> 01:32:46,977
Speaker 2: are a couple I'm not banking on some of their

1915
01:32:47,058 --> 01:32:49,058
Speaker 2: names right now. Yeah, I know DJ Moore is like

1916
01:32:49,098 --> 01:32:52,497
Speaker 2: the other wise or not DJ Reid, but he's he's

1917
01:32:52,617 --> 01:32:54,937
Speaker 2: kind of like a Jonathan Jones replacement more than he

1918
01:32:54,978 --> 01:32:58,138
Speaker 2: would be, you know, that kind of guy. But I

1919
01:32:58,178 --> 01:33:00,977
Speaker 2: look at free agency and I wonder if you can

1920
01:33:01,018 --> 01:33:03,737
Speaker 2: get even just like you know, I keep I always

1921
01:33:03,737 --> 01:33:06,537
Speaker 2: think of the Bills getting Rasoul Douglas. He's just a

1922
01:33:06,617 --> 01:33:11,298
Speaker 2: really solid NFL cornerback, right. He's not he's not Christian Gonzalez, right,

1923
01:33:11,378 --> 01:33:14,338
Speaker 2: but he's just a really solid NFL cornerback. Like I

1924
01:33:14,338 --> 01:33:17,418
Speaker 2: would almost rather go that direction and free agency and

1925
01:33:17,458 --> 01:33:20,057
Speaker 2: maybe pay ten twelve million for a corner that can

1926
01:33:20,138 --> 01:33:22,537
Speaker 2: just come in and play that spot, then draft somebody

1927
01:33:22,577 --> 01:33:26,178
Speaker 2: like Will Johnson. He's really technically sound, really smooth. What

1928
01:33:26,258 --> 01:33:28,937
Speaker 2: I love about Will Johnson is there's zero panic to

1929
01:33:29,018 --> 01:33:33,538
Speaker 2: his game, no which when you see patient, calm corners,

1930
01:33:33,857 --> 01:33:35,737
Speaker 2: you know that they just trust their God.

1931
01:33:35,978 --> 01:33:39,017
Speaker 4: Let me this way, Bill was still here, that's the pick.

1932
01:33:39,458 --> 01:33:41,617
Speaker 2: It'd be at the top of their board.

1933
01:33:42,617 --> 01:33:46,577
Speaker 4: I will on Revel real quick. I'm watch him at

1934
01:33:46,617 --> 01:33:51,737
Speaker 4: some point. So you and Ecu Corner going in the

1935
01:33:51,737 --> 01:33:53,577
Speaker 4: first round, it's like, what's going on? Well, Toledo Corner

1936
01:33:53,617 --> 01:33:56,297
Speaker 4: went in the first, right, but he was special. Yeah,

1937
01:33:56,338 --> 01:34:00,977
Speaker 4: so Reveel also Qui Quin Mitchell had multiple years. Sean

1938
01:34:01,058 --> 01:34:03,418
Speaker 4: Revel really only has one full year of tape. Let's

1939
01:34:03,418 --> 01:34:06,817
Speaker 4: say he falls a little bit, they have those two

1940
01:34:06,897 --> 01:34:10,097
Speaker 4: third round picks, Like, if he really falls, I wouldn't

1941
01:34:10,098 --> 01:34:12,057
Speaker 4: mind them taking a shot on him at day two,

1942
01:34:12,098 --> 01:34:13,218
Speaker 4: Like that would be an interesting pick.

1943
01:34:13,258 --> 01:34:15,057
Speaker 2: Doubt to me, it would be. If we're gonna draft

1944
01:34:15,058 --> 01:34:17,458
Speaker 2: corner draft, that's where I would do it. Third or

1945
01:34:17,458 --> 01:34:20,857
Speaker 2: fourth round draft the trades guy, right draft, a longer

1946
01:34:20,937 --> 01:34:21,497
Speaker 2: trades guy.

1947
01:34:21,657 --> 01:34:23,898
Speaker 4: He's like six three one ninety elite.

1948
01:34:23,657 --> 01:34:27,218
Speaker 2: App Yeah, go find your your wrek oneling right.

1949
01:34:27,258 --> 01:34:29,258
Speaker 4: I don't know that he'll fall that far. I think

1950
01:34:29,258 --> 01:34:32,497
Speaker 4: he might still end up being at fifty pick. Medical

1951
01:34:32,537 --> 01:34:36,178
Speaker 4: testing will be big from obviously, but uh, if he

1952
01:34:36,218 --> 01:34:38,577
Speaker 4: starts to fall, like he should absolutely be on their radar.

1953
01:34:38,657 --> 01:34:40,977
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, last one on the declared list, and

1954
01:34:40,978 --> 01:34:44,657
Speaker 2: then we'll get to the last couple of calls, emails, recency, bias,

1955
01:34:44,697 --> 01:34:48,777
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Everybody's favorite tech McMillan declared for

1956
01:34:48,817 --> 01:34:51,617
Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. No shocker there whatsoever. So we have

1957
01:34:51,657 --> 01:34:54,897
Speaker 2: an email here from a regular listener. This is John

1958
01:34:55,258 --> 01:34:59,777
Speaker 2: in Louisiana, and he said that he believes that my

1959
01:35:00,497 --> 01:35:05,218
Speaker 2: dislike of Tech McMillan dislikes probably strong, just not. I'm

1960
01:35:05,218 --> 01:35:09,338
Speaker 2: not over the moon about Tech McMillan. My luke warm

1961
01:35:09,537 --> 01:35:13,338
Speaker 2: feelings about Tet McMillan are because he's not my type

1962
01:35:13,378 --> 01:35:15,857
Speaker 2: of receiver that I like. This is true, that I

1963
01:35:15,937 --> 01:35:19,017
Speaker 2: like the fast, twitchy guys. Now John takes a little

1964
01:35:19,058 --> 01:35:21,218
Speaker 2: too far. John says that if Mike Evans was in

1965
01:35:21,258 --> 01:35:23,537
Speaker 2: this draft, I would not like Mike Evans. And that's

1966
01:35:23,577 --> 01:35:25,977
Speaker 2: taking it a little god too far.

1967
01:35:26,058 --> 01:35:29,977
Speaker 4: Remembering Mike Evans in college. No, you, Johnny Manzil, it's

1968
01:35:30,018 --> 01:35:33,937
Speaker 4: all give you know. I could see you being out

1969
01:35:34,018 --> 01:35:37,378
Speaker 4: on Johnny Manziel. I could see Johnny Manziel, Sure, sorry

1970
01:35:37,458 --> 01:35:39,577
Speaker 4: on on Yeah, I was out on Manziel. I could

1971
01:35:39,577 --> 01:35:40,418
Speaker 4: see being out on Mike.

1972
01:35:40,777 --> 01:35:43,298
Speaker 2: I loved Mike Evans in college. I was. I was

1973
01:35:43,298 --> 01:35:45,897
Speaker 2: a Mike Evans guy. I was. I thought he made

1974
01:35:45,937 --> 01:35:47,737
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel and that's not revision.

1975
01:35:48,298 --> 01:35:50,537
Speaker 4: No, it's true. But like you weren't hardened yet by

1976
01:35:50,577 --> 01:35:51,217
Speaker 4: the process.

1977
01:35:51,458 --> 01:35:53,617
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I haven't been current.

1978
01:35:53,737 --> 01:35:57,378
Speaker 4: You look at that, you would have you would have

1979
01:35:57,378 --> 01:35:59,337
Speaker 4: were Oh well, you know, they're too worried about Manzel

1980
01:35:59,458 --> 01:36:00,617
Speaker 4: running around.

1981
01:36:00,378 --> 01:36:03,897
Speaker 2: And I could see feel about Mike Evans.

1982
01:36:04,058 --> 01:36:05,338
Speaker 4: I think you would feel the same way you can

1983
01:36:05,378 --> 01:36:07,378
Speaker 4: do about McMillan. I think you would say I like him,

1984
01:36:07,378 --> 01:36:08,097
Speaker 4: but I don't love him.

1985
01:36:08,577 --> 01:36:10,617
Speaker 2: You know how I feel about Mike Evans. Mike Evans

1986
01:36:10,617 --> 01:36:14,097
Speaker 2: to me, Mike the NFL player, Mike Evans the what

1987
01:36:14,138 --> 01:36:18,497
Speaker 2: we the NFL player fine, the Tampa Bay buccaneer. Mike

1988
01:36:18,537 --> 01:36:21,497
Speaker 2: Evans has graduated in the category of I will not

1989
01:36:21,817 --> 01:36:26,497
Speaker 2: player comp college prospects to Mike Evans. He is too good.

1990
01:36:26,737 --> 01:36:30,737
Speaker 2: We have graduated Mike Evans to the to the elite, uh,

1991
01:36:30,897 --> 01:36:34,937
Speaker 2: you know, elite club right where like we can't comp

1992
01:36:34,937 --> 01:36:38,378
Speaker 2: players to Randy Moss, we don't comp players to Mike Evans,

1993
01:36:38,458 --> 01:36:40,777
Speaker 2: right Like, that's that's just where we're at. For me

1994
01:36:40,857 --> 01:36:41,897
Speaker 2: personally with Mike Evans.

1995
01:36:41,897 --> 01:36:44,137
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a good rule. I every year the number

1996
01:36:44,138 --> 01:36:46,657
Speaker 4: one tight end is Baby Gronk. Yeah, like they can't

1997
01:36:46,657 --> 01:36:49,737
Speaker 4: all be because he's one of one, right, So the

1998
01:36:50,657 --> 01:36:53,897
Speaker 4: Bowers he's pretty good. He's not Gronk, but he's pretty good.

1999
01:36:54,018 --> 01:36:56,817
Speaker 2: I still stand by my take on Teed McMillan for right,

2000
01:36:56,857 --> 01:36:59,937
Speaker 2: now I think he's a first round prospect. Like, don't,

2001
01:37:00,058 --> 01:37:03,458
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted, like I'm not fifteen prospect probably

2002
01:37:03,537 --> 01:37:06,657
Speaker 2: in this draft. Yeah, but my biggest concern about it

2003
01:37:06,697 --> 01:37:09,497
Speaker 2: is what I just said. In this draft, right like

2004
01:37:09,577 --> 01:37:13,137
Speaker 2: in other drafts at that position, like last year's wide

2005
01:37:13,138 --> 01:37:15,657
Speaker 2: receiver group, it's a loaded group. I get that, but

2006
01:37:15,737 --> 01:37:19,378
Speaker 2: he's still wide receiver four at best in that class

2007
01:37:19,458 --> 01:37:22,777
Speaker 2: last year? Is he not? Like he's not ahead of

2008
01:37:23,098 --> 01:37:25,497
Speaker 2: Harrison Neighbors in a donesay, Like he's just not as

2009
01:37:25,537 --> 01:37:26,497
Speaker 2: good of a prospect as that.

2010
01:37:26,737 --> 01:37:28,617
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree. All right, well, so then let's

2011
01:37:28,617 --> 01:37:32,817
Speaker 4: do this one three. Tell me want to stop Flowers?

2012
01:37:32,857 --> 01:37:34,897
Speaker 4: That was also a bad receiver draft. All right, so

2013
01:37:34,937 --> 01:37:37,497
Speaker 4: time we're to stop Zay Flowers. Yeah, Jackson Smith and

2014
01:37:37,537 --> 01:37:39,177
Speaker 4: Jigba Yeah, Jordan Addison.

2015
01:37:39,258 --> 01:37:43,737
Speaker 2: Stop. He's better than than Adison. He's definitely a player,

2016
01:37:43,777 --> 01:37:46,937
Speaker 2: and he's also definitely better than the kid in Quentin Johnson.

2017
01:37:47,018 --> 01:37:49,097
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, you don't like quin I'm glad you said

2018
01:37:49,098 --> 01:37:50,338
Speaker 4: stop because I was trying. I can't. I was like,

2019
01:37:50,378 --> 01:37:53,138
Speaker 4: I can't say Quentin Johnson, Josh Downs.

2020
01:37:53,497 --> 01:37:56,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's better than those guys, Okay, I I

2021
01:37:56,258 --> 01:37:59,458
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, I love in that class. I

2022
01:37:59,458 --> 01:38:03,017
Speaker 2: thought Jason. I thought jays N was the best receiver

2023
01:38:03,058 --> 01:38:06,018
Speaker 2: in that class. Even I thought you would say, no,

2024
01:38:06,138 --> 01:38:08,098
Speaker 2: I had jays N even though I even though I

2025
01:38:08,138 --> 01:38:12,017
Speaker 2: love Zay personally, I I had j s N better.

2026
01:38:12,098 --> 01:38:13,737
Speaker 2: And jays N has been great by the way for

2027
01:38:13,817 --> 01:38:15,057
Speaker 2: Seattle this year.

2028
01:38:15,497 --> 01:38:15,737
Speaker 4: Uh.

2029
01:38:15,897 --> 01:38:20,818
Speaker 2: But uh, I can't come around on Ted McMillan just yet.

2030
01:38:21,218 --> 01:38:24,017
Speaker 2: I think the two things that look it's you could

2031
01:38:24,018 --> 01:38:26,657
Speaker 2: be right, John. I'll allow for this one hundred and

2032
01:38:26,737 --> 01:38:29,657
Speaker 2: ten percent. This could be a personal issue. This could

2033
01:38:29,697 --> 01:38:32,497
Speaker 2: be me the one thing that I can't the two

2034
01:38:32,537 --> 01:38:35,777
Speaker 2: things that I can't come away from thinking. Number one,

2035
01:38:37,378 --> 01:38:39,697
Speaker 2: it's not that they need Taekwon Thornton. They don't need

2036
01:38:39,737 --> 01:38:43,337
Speaker 2: four to two, right, But I just want some vertical

2037
01:38:43,378 --> 01:38:48,337
Speaker 2: stretch element with Drake May like the one you can't

2038
01:38:48,697 --> 01:38:52,857
Speaker 2: go and be a slow offense with a quarterback that

2039
01:38:52,857 --> 01:38:55,097
Speaker 2: can rip it sixty five yards Like that's just gonna

2040
01:38:55,178 --> 01:38:58,458
Speaker 2: drive me absolutely nuts. Like can we get somebody on

2041
01:38:58,537 --> 01:39:01,298
Speaker 2: this team please, that can get up the field, like

2042
01:39:01,378 --> 01:39:04,018
Speaker 2: somebody right that he can throw deep too, like what

2043
01:39:04,138 --> 01:39:06,378
Speaker 2: I keep going back to, and I know he didn't

2044
01:39:06,378 --> 01:39:09,218
Speaker 2: play a ton at UNC, there wasn't a ton of overlap. Yeah,

2045
01:39:09,258 --> 01:39:11,897
Speaker 2: but like tedes Walker right, like he's a one trick

2046
01:39:11,937 --> 01:39:14,458
Speaker 2: pony and that's why he was drafted you know later,

2047
01:39:14,857 --> 01:39:18,218
Speaker 2: and wasn't drafted super high. But Ted Walker could run

2048
01:39:18,258 --> 01:39:20,777
Speaker 2: by people, and Drake make get him the ball running

2049
01:39:20,777 --> 01:39:23,497
Speaker 2: by people. The second thing that I can't get over

2050
01:39:23,617 --> 01:39:26,218
Speaker 2: and this is me. This is a personal issue. Don't

2051
01:39:26,218 --> 01:39:30,537
Speaker 2: scout the helmet. I know that. The Arizona thing, I

2052
01:39:30,298 --> 01:39:34,258
Speaker 2: can't do it. Like I can't watch Somebody tell Teddy Brusk,

2053
01:39:35,298 --> 01:39:40,138
Speaker 2: I I can't watch Ted McMillan run through New Mexico's

2054
01:39:40,178 --> 01:39:43,098
Speaker 2: defense and get all gassed up about it. I just

2055
01:39:43,218 --> 01:39:46,777
Speaker 2: can't or like watching him run through soft zones in

2056
01:39:46,817 --> 01:39:49,137
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, because that's what every freaking

2057
01:39:49,218 --> 01:39:51,777
Speaker 2: team plays out there in this in this god.

2058
01:39:51,617 --> 01:39:54,297
Speaker 4: Forsaken every team plays in and by the way you would.

2059
01:39:55,058 --> 01:39:58,178
Speaker 2: I can't go out there, nice. I can't go out

2060
01:39:58,218 --> 01:40:01,058
Speaker 2: there and watch and be like all jazzed up that

2061
01:40:01,138 --> 01:40:05,218
Speaker 2: he took a dig route that with like no one

2062
01:40:05,258 --> 01:40:08,258
Speaker 2: around him, and I turned up field and ran for.

2063
01:40:08,138 --> 01:40:10,577
Speaker 4: Ford does after the catch is impressive.

2064
01:40:10,817 --> 01:40:13,418
Speaker 2: It's impressive, but like he's gonna be in phone boosts

2065
01:40:13,418 --> 01:40:16,378
Speaker 2: in the NFL, there's gonna be people around him that's every.

2066
01:40:16,138 --> 01:40:18,857
Speaker 4: Receiver, Like, you can only gauge him against the competition

2067
01:40:18,897 --> 01:40:19,738
Speaker 4: he's facing.

2068
01:40:21,458 --> 01:40:21,617
Speaker 8: Else.

2069
01:40:21,737 --> 01:40:23,857
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to get at is that

2070
01:40:23,978 --> 01:40:29,338
Speaker 2: I don't see enough film that translates to the lead right, like,

2071
01:40:29,418 --> 01:40:31,977
Speaker 2: And that's the part that worries me about Ted McMillan.

2072
01:40:32,258 --> 01:40:36,137
Speaker 2: He's extremely talented. The traits are all there. He's six ' five,

2073
01:40:36,378 --> 01:40:40,098
Speaker 2: he's two fifteen, he moves like a smaller guy. Like.

2074
01:40:40,138 --> 01:40:42,658
Speaker 2: I see all of it from an eye test standpoint.

2075
01:40:42,897 --> 01:40:46,458
Speaker 2: What I don't see are like the translatable clips that

2076
01:40:46,537 --> 01:40:48,817
Speaker 2: I can cut out and I can say, here's him

2077
01:40:48,857 --> 01:40:51,378
Speaker 2: winning at the college level, and here's how that's going

2078
01:40:51,418 --> 01:40:53,537
Speaker 2: to translate to the pro level. And a lot of

2079
01:40:53,577 --> 01:40:56,777
Speaker 2: that has to do with the schedule that Arizona plays

2080
01:40:57,018 --> 01:40:59,298
Speaker 2: and like the types of defense that they play at

2081
01:40:59,338 --> 01:41:02,577
Speaker 2: that level. It's all like we're gonna play quarters and

2082
01:41:02,617 --> 01:41:05,458
Speaker 2: we're gonna play soft zone like that type of stuff

2083
01:41:05,577 --> 01:41:09,097
Speaker 2: just doesn't It's hard to translate that to the league. Now,

2084
01:41:09,138 --> 01:41:13,657
Speaker 2: his traits might translate, right, but I'm just worried about again,

2085
01:41:14,098 --> 01:41:17,897
Speaker 2: the bigger picture, are you still slow on the offensive

2086
01:41:17,937 --> 01:41:18,617
Speaker 2: side of the ball.

2087
01:41:19,458 --> 01:41:22,338
Speaker 4: And I said this to you last week. I don't

2088
01:41:22,338 --> 01:41:24,577
Speaker 4: think he's as slow as you think he is, Okay,

2089
01:41:24,697 --> 01:41:28,577
Speaker 4: I think because he's so big and he's all legs right,

2090
01:41:29,418 --> 01:41:32,657
Speaker 4: he looks he moves so naturally he moves. Ever you

2091
01:41:32,697 --> 01:41:34,777
Speaker 4: think he's a glider, I think he's a glider. I'm

2092
01:41:34,777 --> 01:41:36,857
Speaker 4: gonna be very interested to see what he runs. We

2093
01:41:36,897 --> 01:41:39,857
Speaker 4: did the whole rumored high school forty yard dash thing

2094
01:41:39,937 --> 01:41:42,178
Speaker 4: like we did last year. The rumor is four or

2095
01:41:42,178 --> 01:41:43,017
Speaker 4: five flat.

2096
01:41:43,338 --> 01:41:45,577
Speaker 2: If he runs a four, If he runs any four

2097
01:41:45,657 --> 01:41:49,777
Speaker 2: or five, I'm gonna say I confirm my priors. If

2098
01:41:49,777 --> 01:41:51,458
Speaker 2: he runs in the four to four is I will

2099
01:41:51,458 --> 01:41:51,897
Speaker 2: watch again.

2100
01:41:52,418 --> 01:41:55,537
Speaker 4: Change I can't. I'm trying to find the origin of

2101
01:41:55,537 --> 01:41:57,537
Speaker 4: this because I had multiple people send it to me,

2102
01:41:57,857 --> 01:42:00,378
Speaker 4: and I cannot find the origin. But enough people sent

2103
01:42:00,458 --> 01:42:02,298
Speaker 4: it to me that I'll pull the Felburn maz Here

2104
01:42:02,617 --> 01:42:05,298
Speaker 4: in brown check Market, you always say, well, you know,

2105
01:42:05,338 --> 01:42:08,178
Speaker 4: the forty time is great, but where what's the data? Say?

2106
01:42:08,218 --> 01:42:11,418
Speaker 4: What does the tracker say? Supposedly on one of his

2107
01:42:11,458 --> 01:42:14,178
Speaker 4: poll aways from I know it's New Mexico, but God,

2108
01:42:14,258 --> 01:42:17,977
Speaker 4: don't go New Mexico doesn't impact how fast he's running. Okay,

2109
01:42:18,098 --> 01:42:19,497
Speaker 4: he got up to twenty two miles an hour.

2110
01:42:20,018 --> 01:42:22,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like because he had a runway to

2111
01:42:22,338 --> 01:42:24,937
Speaker 2: get up to twenty two miles an hour. Right. The

2112
01:42:24,978 --> 01:42:28,137
Speaker 2: best part about Tag McMillan to me is that he's

2113
01:42:28,218 --> 01:42:31,458
Speaker 2: super smooth at six foot five. Yeah, right, he transitions

2114
01:42:31,458 --> 01:42:34,177
Speaker 2: really smoothly at the top of the route. He's bendy,

2115
01:42:34,298 --> 01:42:37,617
Speaker 2: he's he's got great body control. He's got a great

2116
01:42:37,617 --> 01:42:40,617
Speaker 2: ability to snap off routes. He has that ability to

2117
01:42:40,697 --> 01:42:42,897
Speaker 2: like come out of the gate, get the corner in

2118
01:42:42,937 --> 01:42:45,017
Speaker 2: the pedal, and then snap right out of it, right,

2119
01:42:45,058 --> 01:42:49,657
Speaker 2: And he can flexibly bend and cut in all that. Yeah,

2120
01:42:49,777 --> 01:42:51,737
Speaker 2: that at six foot five is not easy to do. Like,

2121
01:42:51,777 --> 01:42:56,017
Speaker 2: that's a rare trait. But look, it's just John's half

2122
01:42:56,098 --> 01:42:58,537
Speaker 2: right in this email. By the second half, I would

2123
01:42:58,577 --> 01:43:00,497
Speaker 2: have liked Mike Evans, all right, but this is the

2124
01:43:00,577 --> 01:43:03,177
Speaker 2: first half. It's not my cup of tea. It's he's

2125
01:43:03,218 --> 01:43:05,737
Speaker 2: not my type of guy. And we get to recency bias.

2126
01:43:06,018 --> 01:43:07,418
Speaker 2: You'll understand what I mean.

2127
01:43:07,418 --> 01:43:10,537
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I just I'm interested to see what he

2128
01:43:10,617 --> 01:43:12,857
Speaker 4: runs at the fort. Let me ask you this just

2129
01:43:12,857 --> 01:43:16,097
Speaker 4: so you can clarify for yourself. Yeah, would you call

2130
01:43:16,178 --> 01:43:18,697
Speaker 4: him slow or would you call him not fast? Because

2131
01:43:18,697 --> 01:43:19,657
Speaker 4: there is not fast?

2132
01:43:19,777 --> 01:43:23,978
Speaker 2: Okay, and I want I want personally in this again.

2133
01:43:23,777 --> 01:43:25,817
Speaker 4: You want speed, and that's fine. I just it's a

2134
01:43:25,817 --> 01:43:28,537
Speaker 4: personal thing to clarify. If you want to say he's

2135
01:43:28,577 --> 01:43:30,657
Speaker 4: not fast, I would agree. He's not a burner. He's

2136
01:43:30,697 --> 01:43:33,017
Speaker 4: not Isaiah Bond, he's not Savior where He's not one

2137
01:43:33,058 --> 01:43:37,737
Speaker 4: of these guys. He's not slow either. He's not Quentin Johnson.

2138
01:43:37,817 --> 01:43:39,858
Speaker 4: He's not you know people Harry.

2139
01:43:39,577 --> 01:43:40,857
Speaker 2: And Johnson I think was actually fast.

2140
01:43:40,897 --> 01:43:44,617
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of who these big like, yeah,

2141
01:43:44,657 --> 01:43:47,537
Speaker 4: thank you perfect. He's not Keon Coleman. He's not one

2142
01:43:47,537 --> 01:43:50,537
Speaker 4: of these big receivers that just lugs around the field.

2143
01:43:50,577 --> 01:43:52,737
Speaker 4: And it's just well, I'm bigger and stronger than you,

2144
01:43:52,777 --> 01:43:54,737
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna dominate you without like because I feel

2145
01:43:54,777 --> 01:43:56,777
Speaker 4: like when you say, oh, you know, big receiver who's

2146
01:43:56,777 --> 01:43:59,897
Speaker 4: not fast, people think that he's not slow.

2147
01:44:00,418 --> 01:44:03,097
Speaker 2: No, and and he's a lot. The thing that gives

2148
01:44:03,138 --> 01:44:06,897
Speaker 2: me hope about Ted McMillan, uh, if the Patriots were

2149
01:44:06,937 --> 01:44:10,178
Speaker 2: to draft him, is that what I saw with Uh

2150
01:44:10,657 --> 01:44:14,097
Speaker 2: that I learned from Nikhil Harry and what I saw

2151
01:44:14,258 --> 01:44:17,657
Speaker 2: with Quinton Johnston and what I saw a little bit

2152
01:44:17,657 --> 01:44:21,298
Speaker 2: with Kean Coleman as well is stiffness, right, like they

2153
01:44:21,378 --> 01:44:24,258
Speaker 2: they are roboty. He's not. He is not, And so

2154
01:44:24,338 --> 01:44:27,657
Speaker 2: that does give me hope. Those guys are had two

2155
01:44:27,697 --> 01:44:30,938
Speaker 2: left feet right, like they just were a stiff robot.

2156
01:44:31,298 --> 01:44:34,218
Speaker 2: They didn't break down well, they didn't have flexibility in

2157
01:44:34,258 --> 01:44:36,378
Speaker 2: their hips, like you could just see it, like they

2158
01:44:36,497 --> 01:44:40,297
Speaker 2: just moved like robots. That's not Ted McMillan, Tech McMillan's

2159
01:44:40,298 --> 01:44:42,737
Speaker 2: an athlete. Tech macmillans is really smooth. All right, let's

2160
01:44:42,737 --> 01:44:44,697
Speaker 2: get to some of these calls and then we'll wrap

2161
01:44:44,777 --> 01:44:47,937
Speaker 2: up with recency buys. AJ is in Brighton. What's up, AJ?

2162
01:44:50,537 --> 01:44:54,617
Speaker 8: Nope, Hey, you feel had a good week, you know,

2163
01:44:54,697 --> 01:44:55,577
Speaker 8: so I wanted to ask.

2164
01:44:55,777 --> 01:44:57,738
Speaker 4: I was watching.

2165
01:44:57,418 --> 01:44:59,577
Speaker 8: Thursday Night football with my mom last week and was

2166
01:44:59,617 --> 01:45:02,537
Speaker 8: explaining the concept of hashmarks to her and like why

2167
01:45:02,617 --> 01:45:04,338
Speaker 8: Jared Goff went to the other side to take me

2168
01:45:04,497 --> 01:45:07,697
Speaker 8: for the kick, And then just just watching college football

2169
01:45:07,737 --> 01:45:09,497
Speaker 8: and you know, looking at the end of the Georgia

2170
01:45:09,537 --> 01:45:12,298
Speaker 8: Texas game, that was a crazy difficult kick the guy

2171
01:45:12,338 --> 01:45:14,657
Speaker 8: hit because of like how like the angle he had

2172
01:45:14,657 --> 01:45:17,418
Speaker 8: to take. So I was just curious to ask, like,

2173
01:45:17,458 --> 01:45:20,258
Speaker 8: in terms of like kicker evaluations, how does that come

2174
01:45:20,298 --> 01:45:23,218
Speaker 8: into play, and just going towards next year, what are

2175
01:45:23,218 --> 01:45:24,937
Speaker 8: the kind of kickers that we should be looking at

2176
01:45:24,937 --> 01:45:27,617
Speaker 8: to bring to the team, just because clearly Joey Slide

2177
01:45:27,657 --> 01:45:29,817
Speaker 8: is not locked in like he's been good, but we're

2178
01:45:29,857 --> 01:45:31,058
Speaker 8: definitely gonna take to look at that.

2179
01:45:31,138 --> 01:45:35,897
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, cool, good college college hash marks and

2180
01:45:36,018 --> 01:45:39,817
Speaker 2: kicker evaluation, that's your call. Let's go, that's your call.

2181
01:45:39,978 --> 01:45:40,298
Speaker 4: Let's go.

2182
01:45:40,697 --> 01:45:43,697
Speaker 2: That adrenaline rush I got from that all of a sudden,

2183
01:45:43,737 --> 01:45:44,817
Speaker 2: you don't feel sick anymore.

2184
01:45:45,058 --> 01:45:47,137
Speaker 4: No, I really know. I legitally just got an adrenaline

2185
01:45:47,178 --> 01:45:49,617
Speaker 4: rush because I was waiting for you to just lose

2186
01:45:49,617 --> 01:45:50,657
Speaker 4: your mind over that call.

2187
01:45:50,777 --> 01:45:53,537
Speaker 2: That's what gives you an adrenaline rush.

2188
01:45:52,978 --> 01:45:55,097
Speaker 4: Your reaction to it, and then I jumped the gun.

2189
01:45:57,418 --> 01:45:59,537
Speaker 4: Bill's gonna have to really play the hashes now. This

2190
01:45:59,617 --> 01:46:01,458
Speaker 4: is another thing we're gonna have to see a manage

2191
01:46:01,937 --> 01:46:02,617
Speaker 4: that we've never seen.

2192
01:46:02,697 --> 01:46:07,258
Speaker 2: Actually, I think college ashes does it right, do you?

2193
01:46:07,458 --> 01:46:07,817
Speaker 2: I do?

2194
01:46:07,978 --> 01:46:08,897
Speaker 4: I like it. They're different.

2195
01:46:09,577 --> 01:46:12,978
Speaker 2: I think it does it right in college because to

2196
01:46:13,058 --> 01:46:16,577
Speaker 2: the caller's point, with kickers, it's obviously a different angle,

2197
01:46:16,617 --> 01:46:19,218
Speaker 2: which I think is it's more legitimate, like that's where

2198
01:46:19,258 --> 01:46:22,338
Speaker 2: the ball actually was on the field. The other thing

2199
01:46:22,378 --> 01:46:24,657
Speaker 2: that I like about the college hashes is like you

2200
01:46:24,737 --> 01:46:27,977
Speaker 2: have to make a true far hash throw right, Like

2201
01:46:28,058 --> 01:46:30,177
Speaker 2: that's not like the far hash throws in the NFL

2202
01:46:30,178 --> 01:46:31,737
Speaker 2: are are not quite the same.

2203
01:46:31,777 --> 01:46:33,737
Speaker 4: Anyways, give me the only reason I don't like it.

2204
01:46:33,777 --> 01:46:36,378
Speaker 4: I think, with how much speed there is in the

2205
01:46:36,378 --> 01:46:40,737
Speaker 4: modern NFL, defenses wouldn't have a chance with Detroit in

2206
01:46:40,777 --> 01:46:43,977
Speaker 4: the field. It would be I mean, games would be

2207
01:46:43,978 --> 01:46:45,298
Speaker 4: in the fifties. Yeah, every ear.

2208
01:46:45,298 --> 01:46:46,057
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

2209
01:46:47,298 --> 01:46:51,577
Speaker 4: Howard works for scouting college kickers from people I've talked

2210
01:46:51,617 --> 01:46:53,697
Speaker 4: when every team does it differently, but just people I've

2211
01:46:53,697 --> 01:46:56,537
Speaker 4: talked in the past, the big thing you look at

2212
01:46:56,897 --> 01:46:59,418
Speaker 4: scouting kickers and punters is kind of like scouting pitchers,

2213
01:47:00,018 --> 01:47:03,937
Speaker 4: where what teams really want to see your motion? Right,

2214
01:47:04,937 --> 01:47:07,497
Speaker 4: how consistent is it? Because when kickers start to miss,

2215
01:47:07,497 --> 01:47:11,097
Speaker 4: it's inconsistencies in the motion. So you're going to have

2216
01:47:11,138 --> 01:47:14,897
Speaker 4: the same follow through, it's going to change a little

2217
01:47:14,897 --> 01:47:16,458
Speaker 4: bit when you get way out to that far hash.

2218
01:47:16,497 --> 01:47:17,857
Speaker 4: But like they just want to see how well you

2219
01:47:17,857 --> 01:47:20,537
Speaker 4: can repeat your motion, how muscle memory it is, you're

2220
01:47:20,537 --> 01:47:23,218
Speaker 4: not really scouting, you know, make percentages. It is a

2221
01:47:23,258 --> 01:47:25,378
Speaker 4: tougher kick when you get out there, especially when you're

2222
01:47:25,418 --> 01:47:30,137
Speaker 4: up close, But I don't think that impacts the scouting

2223
01:47:30,138 --> 01:47:32,657
Speaker 4: at times. As for what kind of kicker the Patriots

2224
01:47:32,657 --> 01:47:38,458
Speaker 4: should look for, I like the Belichick philosophy of get

2225
01:47:38,458 --> 01:47:40,418
Speaker 4: a guy who has experienced kicking in the elements. I

2226
01:47:40,418 --> 01:47:43,977
Speaker 4: don't want like a lifetime Southern kicker, Dome kicker in

2227
01:47:43,978 --> 01:47:48,137
Speaker 4: New England. Dominic Zavada is Michigan's kicker, was the viewed

2228
01:47:48,138 --> 01:47:49,697
Speaker 4: as the top kicker in the draft. He's going back

2229
01:47:49,697 --> 01:47:52,937
Speaker 4: to school, so maybe that's the surprise. The guy I

2230
01:47:52,978 --> 01:47:56,857
Speaker 4: look at is Jonah Dalmas from Boise State. I did

2231
01:47:56,857 --> 01:48:00,017
Speaker 4: a players to watch on a championship weekend. I did

2232
01:48:00,058 --> 01:48:02,218
Speaker 4: not have genty for Boise State. For the Patriots, I

2233
01:48:02,258 --> 01:48:05,298
Speaker 4: had Jonahdalmas. So there you go. That's growth. Good for you,

2234
01:48:05,617 --> 01:48:09,497
Speaker 4: massive massive leg. He's obviously kicking up there in Boise

2235
01:48:09,978 --> 01:48:13,777
Speaker 4: they go up to Wyoming, they kick there. He's been

2236
01:48:13,777 --> 01:48:15,937
Speaker 4: one of the more accurate kickers. He's not exactly like

2237
01:48:15,978 --> 01:48:19,737
Speaker 4: a sniper, but he's been good. I like him. I

2238
01:48:19,777 --> 01:48:21,977
Speaker 4: don't know that he's the best overall kicker in this draft.

2239
01:48:22,018 --> 01:48:23,737
Speaker 4: I know we had a rough game. I like Brett

2240
01:48:23,737 --> 01:48:26,777
Speaker 4: Auburn from Texas. I think he's a good kicker. I

2241
01:48:26,857 --> 01:48:28,577
Speaker 4: got to get familiar with some of these other guys.

2242
01:48:28,857 --> 01:48:32,697
Speaker 4: But Jonah Dalmas to me the really big leg. I'd

2243
01:48:32,697 --> 01:48:36,137
Speaker 4: call it professional accuracy. Where again, he's not an elite,

2244
01:48:36,138 --> 01:48:38,537
Speaker 4: but it's it's within the range you want in the NFL.

2245
01:48:39,537 --> 01:48:43,298
Speaker 4: And he's consistent, he's experienced. Four your starter are all

2246
01:48:43,338 --> 01:48:45,497
Speaker 4: at Bois or sorry, five year starter all at Bois.

2247
01:48:46,138 --> 01:48:47,218
Speaker 4: So that's my guy.

2248
01:48:47,258 --> 01:48:49,378
Speaker 2: That's it. That's on kickers. Can I respond to the

2249
01:48:49,458 --> 01:48:52,258
Speaker 2: chat real quick? I don't normally do this, but there's

2250
01:48:52,258 --> 01:48:54,057
Speaker 2: some blasphemy going on in this chat.

2251
01:48:53,978 --> 01:48:55,897
Speaker 4: Right You shouldn't look at the chat. This is why

2252
01:48:55,937 --> 01:48:56,657
Speaker 4: I look at the chat.

2253
01:48:56,777 --> 01:48:59,497
Speaker 2: There's some blasphemy being talked about in the chat right now.

2254
01:49:00,098 --> 01:49:00,537
Speaker 4: I don't.

2255
01:49:00,817 --> 01:49:04,258
Speaker 2: I try. I've tried to be less less full of

2256
01:49:04,298 --> 01:49:06,017
Speaker 2: myself on the air a little bit, Alex, all right,

2257
01:49:06,018 --> 01:49:07,697
Speaker 2: I've been trying. I've been trying not to be as

2258
01:49:07,737 --> 01:49:12,777
Speaker 2: braggy about certain things. Sitting here, saying that I'm bad

2259
01:49:12,857 --> 01:49:17,058
Speaker 2: with wide receivers is blasphemy, all right, All of my

2260
01:49:17,218 --> 01:49:19,338
Speaker 2: rankings for the last like four or five years are

2261
01:49:19,378 --> 01:49:21,137
Speaker 2: all public, by the way, so you can go ahead

2262
01:49:21,138 --> 01:49:23,977
Speaker 2: and look at all these things. If there's one position

2263
01:49:24,018 --> 01:49:26,338
Speaker 2: in the draft that I'm pretty good at, and if

2264
01:49:26,378 --> 01:49:29,418
Speaker 2: I can toot my own horn for a second, wide receivers,

2265
01:49:29,497 --> 01:49:31,777
Speaker 2: is it all right? Like that's like the one position

2266
01:49:32,098 --> 01:49:34,897
Speaker 2: that I've done, I will put my track it's Taekwon.

2267
01:49:34,978 --> 01:49:37,017
Speaker 4: Man. You kept going back to Taekwon once he was here.

2268
01:49:37,138 --> 01:49:38,298
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's different.

2269
01:49:38,378 --> 01:49:39,817
Speaker 4: No, but that's why people think you're bad.

2270
01:49:39,857 --> 01:49:43,537
Speaker 2: But I'm contractually obligated to hype up Taekwon Thornton as

2271
01:49:43,537 --> 01:49:46,697
Speaker 2: a patriot, Okay, like that. Unfortunately that comes with the

2272
01:49:46,777 --> 01:49:49,817
Speaker 2: territory of working in this building. Okay, you have to

2273
01:49:49,817 --> 01:49:52,338
Speaker 2: be a little bit open minded to some guys, uh

2274
01:49:52,577 --> 01:49:55,657
Speaker 2: that you don't necessarily see it with. Okay, but this

2275
01:49:55,737 --> 01:49:59,057
Speaker 2: type of stuff, I'll put my tracker up with wide

2276
01:49:59,098 --> 01:50:01,058
Speaker 2: receivers up against anyone. I think you can vouch for

2277
01:50:01,138 --> 01:50:01,458
Speaker 2: me on this.

2278
01:50:01,617 --> 01:50:03,418
Speaker 4: No, you're you're you're pretty good with receiving. Were you

2279
01:50:03,458 --> 01:50:05,497
Speaker 4: in on Garrett Wilson people saying you were out on here?

2280
01:50:05,617 --> 01:50:06,937
Speaker 2: Of course I was in on Garrett Wilson.

2281
01:50:07,018 --> 01:50:08,857
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's the exact kind of you.

2282
01:50:09,418 --> 01:50:12,137
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I did. I might have had a lave

2283
01:50:12,178 --> 01:50:14,098
Speaker 2: ahead of you.

2284
01:50:14,178 --> 01:50:16,018
Speaker 4: Saw Lobby is a true freshman where you text me

2285
01:50:16,058 --> 01:50:17,977
Speaker 4: you said, yeah, where's this guy supposed to go? I said,

2286
01:50:17,978 --> 01:50:18,458
Speaker 4: in two years?

2287
01:50:18,497 --> 01:50:20,097
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can look it up. I still I have

2288
01:50:20,138 --> 01:50:23,458
Speaker 2: all of my spreadsheets. Uh, well, you should do at

2289
01:50:23,458 --> 01:50:29,298
Speaker 2: some point. Is that's retroactively. But that's twenty one draft, right?

2290
01:50:29,458 --> 01:50:34,217
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah that was the Matchell's draft. You should

2291
01:50:34,378 --> 01:50:37,218
Speaker 4: you should like start doing a collective wide receiver board.

2292
01:50:37,577 --> 01:50:39,298
Speaker 2: So like, oh no, it's twenty two draft.

2293
01:50:39,537 --> 01:50:41,897
Speaker 4: Put the guy No. Twenty two is in Jigba.

2294
01:50:42,338 --> 01:50:43,218
Speaker 2: No, that's twenty three.

2295
01:50:43,338 --> 01:50:45,458
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm thinking twenty twenty twenty.

2296
01:50:45,058 --> 01:50:48,097
Speaker 2: Two is like Jamar Chase and those guys.

2297
01:50:49,338 --> 01:50:52,418
Speaker 4: You should you should do like a collective wide receiver board.

2298
01:50:52,777 --> 01:50:55,018
Speaker 4: You can't do it now because it's it's retroactive. So

2299
01:50:55,058 --> 01:50:57,137
Speaker 4: people are gonna be, oh, well, you know, hindsight's twenty twenty,

2300
01:50:57,138 --> 01:50:59,458
Speaker 4: but rank all the receivers from the last five years,

2301
01:50:59,817 --> 01:51:02,138
Speaker 4: include this year's class, and like do it all as

2302
01:51:02,178 --> 01:51:02,977
Speaker 4: one big board.

2303
01:51:03,218 --> 01:51:06,858
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had, you know, more way I do migratings,

2304
01:51:07,537 --> 01:51:09,378
Speaker 2: you know, like a seven or above is like an

2305
01:51:09,418 --> 01:51:11,977
Speaker 2: instant star in the league. I had Garrett Wilson with

2306
01:51:11,978 --> 01:51:14,497
Speaker 2: a seven. I had as an instant star in the NFL.

2307
01:51:14,857 --> 01:51:18,817
Speaker 2: I had Chris O Lave. Uh so I split it

2308
01:51:18,897 --> 01:51:20,617
Speaker 2: up at the time. I split it up between Z

2309
01:51:20,777 --> 01:51:24,378
Speaker 2: slot X, so I don't have these all, you know,

2310
01:51:24,458 --> 01:51:28,338
Speaker 2: perfectly aligned here. Yeah, but I added Jamison Williams, who

2311
01:51:28,378 --> 01:51:30,178
Speaker 2: I feel like I still am right about even though

2312
01:51:30,258 --> 01:51:31,097
Speaker 2: it hasn't been great.

2313
01:51:31,178 --> 01:51:32,777
Speaker 4: I was a big Jameson Williams gus, so I'll give

2314
01:51:32,777 --> 01:51:36,057
Speaker 4: you that one. Yeah, it hasn't been great, like he's

2315
01:51:36,098 --> 01:51:37,777
Speaker 4: been great when he's on the field. That's more like

2316
01:51:37,817 --> 01:51:39,057
Speaker 4: he just the field.

2317
01:51:39,178 --> 01:51:41,937
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamison Williams a lave.

2318
01:51:42,418 --> 01:51:44,737
Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson, Drake London.

2319
01:51:45,138 --> 01:51:46,017
Speaker 2: That was my time?

2320
01:51:46,058 --> 01:51:47,057
Speaker 4: Was there another first round?

2321
01:51:47,258 --> 01:51:49,737
Speaker 2: Traylon Burks was the other one, neither of us like

2322
01:51:49,978 --> 01:51:54,097
Speaker 2: no I had. I had Christian Watson, Traylon Burks, George Pickens,

2323
01:51:54,978 --> 01:51:55,617
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce.

2324
01:51:56,058 --> 01:51:57,977
Speaker 4: Here was that I had one guy like oddly high

2325
01:51:58,018 --> 01:51:59,697
Speaker 4: that year and I can't remember who. I always have

2326
01:51:59,777 --> 01:52:03,017
Speaker 4: that one guy that It's like, it wasn't Bryce Ford Wheaton.

2327
01:52:03,697 --> 01:52:05,577
Speaker 4: He might have been in that class, but it wasn't him. Oh,

2328
01:52:05,697 --> 01:52:07,617
Speaker 4: I'll give you one you were wrong on just because

2329
01:52:07,617 --> 01:52:08,697
Speaker 4: I saw it on the list. I hate to do

2330
01:52:08,817 --> 01:52:13,258
Speaker 4: this to you, sky Moore. Yeah, all right, well let's

2331
01:52:13,298 --> 01:52:15,097
Speaker 4: do this. Let's make this educational. Why did you miss

2332
01:52:15,138 --> 01:52:15,617
Speaker 4: what you learned?

2333
01:52:16,258 --> 01:52:18,497
Speaker 2: That's a good point. I haven't watched like a ton

2334
01:52:18,537 --> 01:52:21,937
Speaker 2: of him in Kansas City played an right, so I

2335
01:52:21,697 --> 01:52:23,737
Speaker 2: I I don't know for a fact that this could

2336
01:52:23,737 --> 01:52:25,458
Speaker 2: be a fun offseason show. The biggest thing at the

2337
01:52:25,577 --> 01:52:27,977
Speaker 2: prospect we were high on what you miss. I think

2338
01:52:28,018 --> 01:52:31,017
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I missed was sky Moore was

2339
01:52:31,617 --> 01:52:37,537
Speaker 2: a lot of his stuff was in the slot against

2340
01:52:37,537 --> 01:52:40,737
Speaker 2: like linebackers and safeties and stuff like that. Then you

2341
01:52:40,777 --> 01:52:42,697
Speaker 2: get to the league and everybody's playing nickel and you're

2342
01:52:42,737 --> 01:52:44,897
Speaker 2: going up against nickel corners that can cover people.

2343
01:52:45,018 --> 01:52:46,777
Speaker 4: When he was at Western Michigan, he was in the max.

2344
01:52:46,897 --> 01:52:48,697
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then the word the probably the other

2345
01:52:48,777 --> 01:52:52,217
Speaker 2: thing you know that I've evolved and learned the most

2346
01:52:52,258 --> 01:52:56,697
Speaker 2: about receivers is at the NFL level, how important finishing

2347
01:52:56,978 --> 01:52:59,537
Speaker 2: and playing through contact is. I think that's probably been

2348
01:52:59,577 --> 01:53:02,258
Speaker 2: sky Moore's biggest problem. Yeah, is you just can't get

2349
01:53:02,258 --> 01:53:05,497
Speaker 2: off physical coverage if you can't do that, and That's why,

2350
01:53:05,657 --> 01:53:09,297
Speaker 2: like I always get a little bit like about receivers

2351
01:53:09,298 --> 01:53:11,577
Speaker 2: that play that just run through zones in college all

2352
01:53:11,617 --> 01:53:13,977
Speaker 2: the time, because in the league, you're gonna get bumped,

2353
01:53:14,018 --> 01:53:16,617
Speaker 2: you're gonna get battered, you're gonna get pressed, you're gonna

2354
01:53:16,617 --> 01:53:19,458
Speaker 2: get all of this stuff, and if you can't finish

2355
01:53:19,537 --> 01:53:21,098
Speaker 2: through all of that, then you're gonna I.

2356
01:53:21,098 --> 01:53:22,897
Speaker 4: Think this is a good offseason topic. I'll do it too.

2357
01:53:22,897 --> 01:53:24,458
Speaker 4: Would you miss what you learned? The two guys I

2358
01:53:24,537 --> 01:53:27,697
Speaker 4: had John Metchi's a first round pick that year. Yeah,

2359
01:53:27,697 --> 01:53:30,258
Speaker 4: which obviously we'll see. The other guy was super high

2360
01:53:30,258 --> 01:53:33,737
Speaker 4: on Wondale Robinson. I was super there were the Kentucky

2361
01:53:33,737 --> 01:53:35,897
Speaker 4: guys that here is Wandale Robinson and Darien Knord.

2362
01:53:36,138 --> 01:53:36,338
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2363
01:53:36,338 --> 01:53:37,577
Speaker 4: I wanted all the Kentucky guys that.

2364
01:53:37,537 --> 01:53:41,017
Speaker 2: Y're all right, let's take DC is in New Hampshire.

2365
01:53:41,018 --> 01:53:41,617
Speaker 2: What's up DC?

2366
01:53:43,378 --> 01:53:46,298
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, quick pop quiz for you, because I think

2367
01:53:46,298 --> 01:53:49,737
Speaker 9: there is a right answer here. Okay, so outside of Mike,

2368
01:53:50,737 --> 01:53:53,057
Speaker 9: who do you who do you think is the best

2369
01:53:53,098 --> 01:53:56,978
Speaker 9: O lineman the Pats have drafted in the last five years?

2370
01:53:57,058 --> 01:53:58,777
Speaker 2: Right off the top of your head, Oh man, the

2371
01:53:58,817 --> 01:54:01,057
Speaker 2: best O Lignement in the last five years.

2372
01:54:03,617 --> 01:54:06,497
Speaker 4: I mean, well, let's go back, so it's near the guy.

2373
01:54:06,617 --> 01:54:08,017
Speaker 4: Neither guys this year they ever really played.

2374
01:54:08,537 --> 01:54:13,537
Speaker 2: I mean twenty three was five years probably Isaiah Win.

2375
01:54:14,418 --> 01:54:17,937
Speaker 4: That's more five years ago. That was twenty eighteen nineteen.

2376
01:54:18,937 --> 01:54:19,617
Speaker 4: Is it Isaiah Win?

2377
01:54:19,978 --> 01:54:20,977
Speaker 2: That's six years.

2378
01:54:21,298 --> 01:54:24,017
Speaker 5: I think the answer is play hold.

2379
01:54:24,777 --> 01:54:28,218
Speaker 4: Oh okay, oh that was your big yell to pro guy. Fair.

2380
01:54:29,058 --> 01:54:29,218
Speaker 6: Fair.

2381
01:54:29,298 --> 01:54:30,458
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Justin Barran.

2382
01:54:30,697 --> 01:54:32,698
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, y'all de for a hold. It's a good shout.

2383
01:54:32,818 --> 01:54:33,298
Speaker 2: That's fair.

2384
01:54:33,978 --> 01:54:35,017
Speaker 5: We got we got.

2385
01:54:34,897 --> 01:54:37,338
Speaker 9: The the All Day Revenge game coming up.

2386
01:54:37,698 --> 01:54:40,378
Speaker 2: Remember he's been really good, he's center.

2387
01:54:40,778 --> 01:54:43,897
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to have him.

2388
01:54:43,937 --> 01:54:46,418
Speaker 9: But a quick question that, since you were talking about

2389
01:54:46,418 --> 01:54:50,258
Speaker 9: the big board of receivers, I'm curious maybe in the

2390
01:54:50,298 --> 01:54:52,578
Speaker 9: last couple of years, where you'd have Travis Hunter the

2391
01:54:52,618 --> 01:54:55,618
Speaker 9: receiver on there, because I'm getting more and more convinced

2392
01:54:56,098 --> 01:55:01,698
Speaker 9: and uh uh persuaded to going all in on Travis

2393
01:55:01,778 --> 01:55:03,498
Speaker 9: Hunter if he's there. And I might be in the

2394
01:55:03,498 --> 01:55:05,818
Speaker 9: minority of this, but I think the past draft them.

2395
01:55:05,818 --> 01:55:09,097
Speaker 9: We are drafting Travis Hunter the receiver. That is who

2396
01:55:09,098 --> 01:55:11,178
Speaker 9: I would want, and I'm just curious where you have

2397
01:55:11,258 --> 01:55:14,698
Speaker 9: him on that big board of receivers. Thanks guys, love

2398
01:55:14,698 --> 01:55:15,017
Speaker 9: the show.

2399
01:55:15,218 --> 01:55:15,458
Speaker 2: Thanks.

2400
01:55:16,978 --> 01:55:18,458
Speaker 4: You might be in the minority. But like I'm with you,

2401
01:55:18,458 --> 01:55:20,017
Speaker 4: I think if they draft Travis Hunter, they do it

2402
01:55:20,018 --> 01:55:20,937
Speaker 4: primarily as a receiver.

2403
01:55:21,058 --> 01:55:22,897
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and I would have him as the

2404
01:55:22,897 --> 01:55:24,937
Speaker 2: best receiver in the draft in this dull.

2405
01:55:25,098 --> 01:55:26,578
Speaker 4: But what he was saying is like, all right, so

2406
01:55:27,578 --> 01:55:30,218
Speaker 4: Harrison Neighbors of Doonesday, where you saw him? Oh but

2407
01:55:30,298 --> 01:55:31,937
Speaker 4: hie and all three of those behind all three of them,

2408
01:55:32,458 --> 01:55:37,618
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas. I'd probably put him ahead of Brian Thomas.

2409
01:55:37,658 --> 01:55:40,578
Speaker 4: I probably would put him Xavier Worthy. I forget where

2410
01:55:40,578 --> 01:55:41,858
Speaker 4: you had thomasin Worthy.

2411
01:55:41,698 --> 01:55:43,738
Speaker 2: I would probably I had Thomas ahead of Worthy. I

2412
01:55:43,778 --> 01:55:50,057
Speaker 2: think I would probably put Travis Hunter in the same

2413
01:55:50,098 --> 01:55:54,618
Speaker 2: tier as Romadonsay, but behind Roemadonsay. So like I would

2414
01:55:54,658 --> 01:55:57,177
Speaker 2: have Ted McMillan, to me, would be in that next tier.

2415
01:55:57,458 --> 01:55:59,937
Speaker 2: Like I don't think he's belonged after Yeah, but I

2416
01:55:59,978 --> 01:56:02,977
Speaker 2: think that Travis Hunter would be with the Donsay. But

2417
01:56:03,098 --> 01:56:06,658
Speaker 2: I really thought Marvin Harrison and Malik Neighbors are rare,

2418
01:56:06,738 --> 01:56:07,337
Speaker 2: rare problems.

2419
01:56:07,378 --> 01:56:12,738
Speaker 4: So JSN, Quentin Johnson, Jay Flowers, Jordan Addison, he might

2420
01:56:12,738 --> 01:56:14,818
Speaker 4: be the best receiver in that draft that draft.

2421
01:56:14,897 --> 01:56:17,618
Speaker 2: Yeah, besides maybe JSN, js N was a really good prospect.

2422
01:56:17,738 --> 01:56:20,298
Speaker 4: Jamison Williams, Garret Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London.

2423
01:56:23,018 --> 01:56:25,058
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the in the epar echelon of that

2424
01:56:25,138 --> 01:56:25,538
Speaker 2: one too.

2425
01:56:26,138 --> 01:56:30,977
Speaker 4: I'd probably go Williams, Lave Wilson. I put him head

2426
01:56:30,978 --> 01:56:31,498
Speaker 4: of Drake London.

2427
01:56:31,698 --> 01:56:34,858
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't a big Drake London guy. Shock.

2428
01:56:35,578 --> 01:56:39,257
Speaker 2: All right, right, let's wrap it up with recency bias. So, uh,

2429
01:56:39,338 --> 01:56:42,578
Speaker 2: my recency bias pick is not going to shock you

2430
01:56:42,618 --> 01:56:43,258
Speaker 2: in the least bit.

2431
01:56:43,418 --> 01:56:45,258
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be bummed. I was like, who didn't we

2432
01:56:45,298 --> 01:56:46,057
Speaker 4: talk about yet?

2433
01:56:46,378 --> 01:56:47,338
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about him?

2434
01:56:47,458 --> 01:56:51,298
Speaker 4: I know so well, we have this weekend we have,

2435
01:56:52,138 --> 01:56:53,818
Speaker 4: but is so stupid.

2436
01:56:53,858 --> 01:56:58,057
Speaker 2: No, okay, we've talked about him, but we haven't talked

2437
01:56:58,098 --> 01:57:01,458
Speaker 2: about him lately. Because you told me about this player

2438
01:57:01,897 --> 01:57:05,097
Speaker 2: last year that I was gonna love this player this

2439
01:57:05,218 --> 01:57:07,738
Speaker 2: year was and you could not have been more correct.

2440
01:57:07,818 --> 01:57:11,818
Speaker 2: My friends, Oh is it Tory Horton, No, geez, Luther Burden.

2441
01:57:11,978 --> 01:57:16,538
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Luther Burden. This dude is my type of dude.

2442
01:57:16,578 --> 01:57:18,778
Speaker 2: This is your counter point.

2443
01:57:19,098 --> 01:57:22,378
Speaker 4: You don't like receivers, Luthor Bird, I do this every year,

2444
01:57:22,458 --> 01:57:25,258
Speaker 4: Zavier were the same thing. I know the receivers you want,

2445
01:57:25,378 --> 01:57:27,977
Speaker 4: so Luther Bird and everybody's knocked on Luther Bird and

2446
01:57:28,058 --> 01:57:30,097
Speaker 4: is that he's had some like you know, little diva

2447
01:57:30,098 --> 01:57:34,137
Speaker 4: wide receiver tirades like I don't care, Okay, I don't care.

2448
01:57:34,738 --> 01:57:40,618
Speaker 4: Luther Burden explosive, explosive, explosive, right like, this guy is

2449
01:57:40,738 --> 01:57:44,138
Speaker 4: explosive at every level of the defense, explosive. With the

2450
01:57:44,138 --> 01:57:46,458
Speaker 4: ball in his hands, he can win routes down the

2451
01:57:46,458 --> 01:57:50,057
Speaker 4: field with explosiveness and separation ability down the field.

2452
01:57:50,418 --> 01:57:52,738
Speaker 2: I love the Swiss army knife element right like. You

2453
01:57:52,738 --> 01:57:55,218
Speaker 2: can do all sorts of different gadgety type things with

2454
01:57:55,298 --> 01:57:58,137
Speaker 2: him as well. But man, oh man, is that guy

2455
01:57:58,338 --> 01:58:01,738
Speaker 2: just shot out of a cannon like double moves verticals

2456
01:58:01,778 --> 01:58:06,778
Speaker 2: from the slot, just ball cat you know, yards after catch,

2457
01:58:06,818 --> 01:58:09,897
Speaker 2: you know, catch and run type routes, that sort of thing,

2458
01:58:10,578 --> 01:58:13,498
Speaker 2: my comp Right now, I'm gonna be a little bit

2459
01:58:13,538 --> 01:58:15,897
Speaker 2: like you and go a little outside the box. I

2460
01:58:15,937 --> 01:58:18,698
Speaker 2: see a lot of the same sort of elements of

2461
01:58:18,858 --> 01:58:21,658
Speaker 2: usage and body type as Deebo Samuel. Yeah, I see

2462
01:58:21,658 --> 01:58:23,458
Speaker 2: the route running of his Za flowers like I think

2463
01:58:23,458 --> 01:58:26,977
Speaker 2: that it's like if those two guys had like just

2464
01:58:27,018 --> 01:58:31,578
Speaker 2: for evan football wide receiver, baby, it would be Luthor Burden, right,

2465
01:58:31,658 --> 01:58:34,778
Speaker 2: And I'm really high on Luther Burden. I I love

2466
01:58:34,858 --> 01:58:36,778
Speaker 2: the film. You knew it was coming.

2467
01:58:36,897 --> 01:58:38,097
Speaker 4: You put him ahead of te McMillan.

2468
01:58:38,658 --> 01:58:44,097
Speaker 2: Uh, I can't cantus about him like this because McMillan.

2469
01:58:44,178 --> 01:58:46,818
Speaker 2: I can't allow my skill set bias to set in

2470
01:58:46,897 --> 01:58:49,738
Speaker 2: too much, right like I can't he is. I would

2471
01:58:49,818 --> 01:58:52,138
Speaker 2: draft him if I was building an offense, because that's

2472
01:58:52,178 --> 01:58:54,418
Speaker 2: the type of offense I would want to build, right

2473
01:58:54,498 --> 01:58:57,138
Speaker 2: like I would want to build the Miami Dolphins, right,

2474
01:58:57,178 --> 01:58:59,458
Speaker 2: like I would put all the speed on the world

2475
01:58:59,458 --> 01:59:02,378
Speaker 2: on the field. I don't think that he's I think

2476
01:59:02,378 --> 01:59:04,578
Speaker 2: he's a little different than Jalen Waddle, but I could

2477
01:59:04,578 --> 01:59:07,578
Speaker 2: see the some overlap and usage and style and that

2478
01:59:07,658 --> 01:59:10,937
Speaker 2: kind of stuff as Jalen Wattle as well. Just look

2479
01:59:10,978 --> 01:59:13,578
Speaker 2: this is this is a big play, Like, you give

2480
01:59:13,618 --> 01:59:15,618
Speaker 2: this guy the ball, He's gonna make a big play,

2481
01:59:16,058 --> 01:59:18,218
Speaker 2: really exciting player. I thought he was off.

2482
01:59:18,298 --> 01:59:20,097
Speaker 4: When you do your ranks, who's going to be number one?

2483
01:59:22,058 --> 01:59:25,057
Speaker 2: I'd probably I probably am gonna not let my my

2484
01:59:25,218 --> 01:59:28,017
Speaker 2: biases get in the way, and I'd probably put tet

2485
01:59:28,098 --> 01:59:28,578
Speaker 2: McMillan in.

2486
01:59:29,178 --> 01:59:31,137
Speaker 4: Everything you said about McMillan before, or why.

2487
01:59:32,578 --> 01:59:34,977
Speaker 2: I think because I keep on coming back to the

2488
01:59:35,018 --> 01:59:37,578
Speaker 2: fact with McMillan that he's a loose athlete, Like he's

2489
01:59:37,658 --> 01:59:42,378
Speaker 2: not this stiff Nikhil Harry robotic athlete. So I see,

2490
01:59:42,897 --> 01:59:45,418
Speaker 2: I see it. I do see it with him. It's

2491
01:59:45,458 --> 01:59:47,018
Speaker 2: just not my cup of tea, and I can't I

2492
01:59:47,058 --> 01:59:48,378
Speaker 2: don't want to let that get in the way. If

2493
01:59:48,418 --> 01:59:50,418
Speaker 2: I was building the offense, and we were building it

2494
01:59:50,458 --> 01:59:53,097
Speaker 2: through my vision and I knew the types of schemes

2495
01:59:53,098 --> 01:59:55,298
Speaker 2: and the type of offense I wanted to be, Like

2496
01:59:55,338 --> 01:59:58,098
Speaker 2: what really excites me about Luther Burden a lot is

2497
01:59:58,138 --> 02:00:00,858
Speaker 2: that they want to be like an outside zone, bootleg

2498
02:00:00,978 --> 02:00:03,698
Speaker 2: move the pocket type of offense. Like you send this

2499
02:00:03,738 --> 02:00:06,778
Speaker 2: guy on like a crosser off a bootleg and he's

2500
02:00:06,778 --> 02:00:09,338
Speaker 2: just in a foot race coming across fields all the time,

2501
02:00:09,538 --> 02:00:11,818
Speaker 2: and you give him some runways to run with the

2502
02:00:11,858 --> 02:00:14,738
Speaker 2: football after the catch. He's gonna take chunks out of

2503
02:00:14,778 --> 02:00:18,257
Speaker 2: the defense regularly. And that excites me about that player.

2504
02:00:18,378 --> 02:00:22,018
Speaker 4: So pick it three, Ted McMillan, or trade down and

2505
02:00:22,018 --> 02:00:22,698
Speaker 4: get Luther Burton.

2506
02:00:24,538 --> 02:00:28,618
Speaker 2: If they traded down and they took Luther Burden ten eleven,

2507
02:00:28,778 --> 02:00:31,298
Speaker 2: twelve like some So.

2508
02:00:31,578 --> 02:00:34,138
Speaker 4: This is where we excuse me. We talked about this

2509
02:00:34,178 --> 02:00:37,418
Speaker 4: earlier with like T Higgins. Yeah, you're not gonna pair

2510
02:00:37,458 --> 02:00:40,137
Speaker 4: te Higgins with Ted McMillan because there's overlap. You pair

2511
02:00:40,258 --> 02:00:43,658
Speaker 4: Luther Burden with T Higgins. Now you have a more

2512
02:00:43,698 --> 02:00:47,097
Speaker 4: complete offense. So there is a path to Luthor burdon Twitchy. No,

2513
02:00:47,418 --> 02:00:50,618
Speaker 4: he's which, he's he's an electric player. He's he's an

2514
02:00:50,698 --> 02:00:53,018
Speaker 4: electric player. And I just talked about how much I

2515
02:00:53,058 --> 02:00:55,498
Speaker 4: loved Wandale Robinson because he was that kind of guy.

2516
02:00:55,498 --> 02:00:58,178
Speaker 4: But Wanda Robinson's tiny. Yeah, this is this guy is

2517
02:00:58,338 --> 02:01:01,338
Speaker 4: has been and honestly to the Travis Hunter thing too.

2518
02:01:01,458 --> 02:01:02,937
Speaker 4: All right, how do you have against Travis Hunter? Is

2519
02:01:02,978 --> 02:01:03,338
Speaker 4: a receiver?

2520
02:01:03,818 --> 02:01:10,778
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't know. That's tough. I I would

2521
02:01:10,858 --> 02:01:12,897
Speaker 2: say that I probably would still have Hunter a little

2522
02:01:12,897 --> 02:01:15,858
Speaker 2: bit ahead. But I'm excited about Luther Burden.

2523
02:01:15,937 --> 02:01:16,897
Speaker 4: No, here's the thing.

2524
02:01:16,978 --> 02:01:18,418
Speaker 2: Want to try to like, I know I'm saying that

2525
02:01:18,418 --> 02:01:21,578
Speaker 2: he's probably my third receiver, but I just again, I

2526
02:01:21,578 --> 02:01:25,258
Speaker 2: think what comes down to that with Luther Burden is

2527
02:01:25,298 --> 02:01:27,498
Speaker 2: a lot of it is going to be scheme related, right,

2528
02:01:27,578 --> 02:01:29,538
Speaker 2: Like what kind of offense do you want to be?

2529
02:01:30,018 --> 02:01:32,178
Speaker 2: How are you you scheming him open? How are you

2530
02:01:32,218 --> 02:01:35,738
Speaker 2: scheming him opportunities to get the football? I don't necessarily

2531
02:01:35,778 --> 02:01:38,897
Speaker 2: like Teed McMillan touch guy. Yeah, Ted McMillan for all

2532
02:01:38,937 --> 02:01:41,778
Speaker 2: of his for all my issues with him, Like he's

2533
02:01:41,778 --> 02:01:44,017
Speaker 2: an X receiver. You put him on the X spot

2534
02:01:44,058 --> 02:01:48,058
Speaker 2: and you don't translates, Right, Luther Burden's gonna have to

2535
02:01:48,218 --> 02:01:48,937
Speaker 2: get some help.

2536
02:01:49,018 --> 02:01:51,097
Speaker 4: And we know that. And now there's a different coaching staff.

2537
02:01:51,138 --> 02:01:53,057
Speaker 4: We know they've had trouble with scheme touch guys. Yeah.

2538
02:01:53,098 --> 02:01:55,418
Speaker 4: I really like Burton and and part of what I

2539
02:01:55,578 --> 02:01:57,818
Speaker 4: like is I think you're gonna be setting him over

2540
02:01:57,818 --> 02:01:59,818
Speaker 4: the middle. He's gonna be taking hits. This is a

2541
02:01:59,818 --> 02:02:01,578
Speaker 4: guy that can take hits. This is a guy that

2542
02:02:01,858 --> 02:02:03,618
Speaker 4: is not afraid to play physically, and I think there's

2543
02:02:03,618 --> 02:02:06,978
Speaker 4: tremendous value in that at that position. I think McMillan

2544
02:02:07,018 --> 02:02:12,458
Speaker 4: the size, athleticism combination is rare. But Burden is the

2545
02:02:12,538 --> 02:02:14,698
Speaker 4: kind of player that they've kind of been looking for

2546
02:02:14,698 --> 02:02:18,177
Speaker 4: for a while. Right, If you went McMillan or not McMillan,

2547
02:02:18,218 --> 02:02:23,658
Speaker 4: if you went Higgins, Burton, Pop Douglas, that's freaking explosive.

2548
02:02:23,738 --> 02:02:24,218
Speaker 2: It's a room.

2549
02:02:24,338 --> 02:02:26,338
Speaker 4: You got, you got. You went from one of the

2550
02:02:26,418 --> 02:02:29,177
Speaker 4: least explosive wide receiver rooms one of the most explosive. Overnight.

2551
02:02:29,338 --> 02:02:30,458
Speaker 2: Yeah, not overnight.

2552
02:02:30,458 --> 02:02:31,258
Speaker 4: It is gonna take two months.

2553
02:02:32,178 --> 02:02:34,937
Speaker 2: Great, great, like yin and yang with with T Higgins

2554
02:02:34,937 --> 02:02:37,298
Speaker 2: potential there and then I also still think, you know,

2555
02:02:37,298 --> 02:02:38,897
Speaker 2: I heard a little bit of like, well, isn't that

2556
02:02:38,937 --> 02:02:41,298
Speaker 2: just Pop Douglas, Like, No, I don't think so.

2557
02:02:41,378 --> 02:02:44,378
Speaker 4: Like he's six foot two hundred, he's much more competitive

2558
02:02:44,378 --> 02:02:47,578
Speaker 4: at the catch point. He's no, he's he's probably he's

2559
02:02:47,578 --> 02:02:49,338
Speaker 4: closer to Kendrick Borne than he is to Pop Douglas.

2560
02:02:49,378 --> 02:02:52,538
Speaker 2: I think he's a base receiver, whereas I think Pop

2561
02:02:52,618 --> 02:02:55,017
Speaker 2: is a true slot in eleven. Yeah, right, like and

2562
02:02:55,058 --> 02:02:56,977
Speaker 2: so I think you can play both of them together

2563
02:02:57,378 --> 02:02:59,378
Speaker 2: by having one of them be the off the line,

2564
02:02:59,498 --> 02:03:01,218
Speaker 2: you know, the Z, and then one of them is

2565
02:03:01,218 --> 02:03:01,818
Speaker 2: the true slot.

2566
02:03:01,897 --> 02:03:05,458
Speaker 4: Who the comp be for for Burden from last year's draft,

2567
02:03:06,538 --> 02:03:09,378
Speaker 4: last year's draft, it's.

2568
02:03:09,298 --> 02:03:12,778
Speaker 2: Kind of I don't know if there's there is. I

2569
02:03:12,778 --> 02:03:15,137
Speaker 2: think the two years ago, like, I I think he's

2570
02:03:15,937 --> 02:03:17,538
Speaker 2: like I said, I a lot of the ways that

2571
02:03:17,578 --> 02:03:19,738
Speaker 2: he moves and runs routes is a lot like Za

2572
02:03:20,498 --> 02:03:20,778
Speaker 2: a lot.

2573
02:03:20,818 --> 02:03:21,818
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bigger fly.

2574
02:03:21,978 --> 02:03:24,698
Speaker 2: Like when he ran I forget who was against, but

2575
02:03:24,738 --> 02:03:26,298
Speaker 2: he ran an out and up for like a forty

2576
02:03:26,378 --> 02:03:28,538
Speaker 2: yard touchdown and I did a flat, I did a

2577
02:03:28,538 --> 02:03:31,138
Speaker 2: double tap. I was like, Oh, I think that's Day

2578
02:03:31,178 --> 02:03:33,977
Speaker 2: Flowers right like, but he's bigger and thicker, kind of

2579
02:03:33,978 --> 02:03:38,178
Speaker 2: built like Deebo Samuel, so that I really am am.

2580
02:03:38,778 --> 02:03:40,937
Speaker 2: I'm bullish on the guy. I think he's gonna if

2581
02:03:40,978 --> 02:03:44,058
Speaker 2: he goes to the right offensive coordinator, he goes to

2582
02:03:44,098 --> 02:03:46,897
Speaker 2: the right offense, he's gonna happen.

2583
02:03:47,498 --> 02:03:48,818
Speaker 4: Chiefs are gonna trade up and take him.

2584
02:03:48,897 --> 02:03:50,137
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that he'd be a problem.

2585
02:03:51,138 --> 02:03:53,818
Speaker 4: A big thing with Luthor Burden was well Rischie Rice

2586
02:03:54,338 --> 02:03:55,897
Speaker 4: a little bit, yeah, Well, and the big thing with

2587
02:03:55,978 --> 02:03:59,778
Speaker 4: Luthor Burden was that he's from Saint Louis. Yeah, and

2588
02:03:59,858 --> 02:04:02,858
Speaker 4: he stayed. He's a five star number two. He was

2589
02:04:02,978 --> 02:04:05,217
Speaker 4: ranked ahead of McMillan. McMillan was number four in that class.

2590
02:04:05,258 --> 02:04:07,498
Speaker 4: He was number two. Yeah, and he stayed at Missouri.

2591
02:04:07,538 --> 02:04:09,098
Speaker 4: And there's this whole thing about how he made it

2592
02:04:09,138 --> 02:04:11,538
Speaker 4: cool to stay in state because Missouri was losing all

2593
02:04:11,578 --> 02:04:15,498
Speaker 4: its top players. So there is like a through line

2594
02:04:15,498 --> 02:04:17,937
Speaker 4: there of the Chiefs see that and see what he

2595
02:04:18,098 --> 02:04:21,298
Speaker 4: means to you know, you're drafting football players, but they

2596
02:04:21,298 --> 02:04:23,778
Speaker 4: need a receiver and to get a guy like that,

2597
02:04:23,818 --> 02:04:26,538
Speaker 4: I think does a lot for your organizational culture. So

2598
02:04:26,658 --> 02:04:28,897
Speaker 4: I I see the Chiefs trading up for him. If

2599
02:04:29,338 --> 02:04:32,017
Speaker 4: don't take him first, we got a who's yours? So

2600
02:04:32,018 --> 02:04:36,218
Speaker 4: remember last week we talked about the Patriots needing a

2601
02:04:36,618 --> 02:04:39,977
Speaker 4: more modern off ball linebacker pair with Bentley be the

2602
02:04:39,978 --> 02:04:42,137
Speaker 4: next guy, good size, but can still flow a sideline

2603
02:04:42,178 --> 02:04:44,937
Speaker 4: aside line. Uh So, I'm doing some research on the

2604
02:04:44,937 --> 02:04:49,137
Speaker 4: conference championship games over the weekend and I stumble onto

2605
02:04:49,218 --> 02:04:52,218
Speaker 4: Barrett Carter from Clemson, number zero. If you watch any

2606
02:04:52,258 --> 02:04:56,017
Speaker 4: of him, he's not massive. I know, we talked about

2607
02:04:56,058 --> 02:04:59,578
Speaker 4: a bigger linebacker. He's big. He's he's six one, two thirty,

2608
02:05:00,058 --> 02:05:04,578
Speaker 4: so he's dense. He's yeah. And you know my thing

2609
02:05:04,578 --> 02:05:07,418
Speaker 4: where like he can put size on after the point.

2610
02:05:08,778 --> 02:05:11,498
Speaker 4: Name something you might ask a defensive player to do.

2611
02:05:11,738 --> 02:05:14,418
Speaker 4: Name just about any assignment. Yeah, Barrett Carter did it

2612
02:05:14,418 --> 02:05:16,218
Speaker 4: at Clemson, and he did it at a pretty high level.

2613
02:05:16,378 --> 02:05:18,418
Speaker 4: They used him to stop the run, they used him

2614
02:05:18,458 --> 02:05:20,698
Speaker 4: in coverage, they used him to rush the passer. He

2615
02:05:20,738 --> 02:05:24,137
Speaker 4: had seventeen pressures in seventy six pass rush snaps this year. Nice,

2616
02:05:24,178 --> 02:05:24,698
Speaker 4: that's insane.

2617
02:05:24,698 --> 02:05:26,897
Speaker 2: Who was the guy that? Who was it last year

2618
02:05:26,937 --> 02:05:29,898
Speaker 2: on Clemson? Linebacker because they play that there's a guy

2619
02:05:29,978 --> 02:05:34,658
Speaker 2: yeah two years ago? Uh do you keep that's that role?

2620
02:05:34,778 --> 02:05:34,977
Speaker 2: You know?

2621
02:05:35,138 --> 02:05:35,338
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2622
02:05:35,378 --> 02:05:37,298
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's the next guy in that like the

2623
02:05:37,538 --> 02:05:41,698
Speaker 4: jack of all trades linebacker role does everything does at

2624
02:05:41,698 --> 02:05:45,618
Speaker 4: a high level. Really smart player. Uh has a knack

2625
02:05:45,698 --> 02:05:47,298
Speaker 4: for being in the right place at the right time.

2626
02:05:47,778 --> 02:05:50,258
Speaker 4: I just think he's a guy that's like just very

2627
02:05:50,298 --> 02:05:52,258
Speaker 4: You can plug him into an NFL defense and I

2628
02:05:52,258 --> 02:05:53,178
Speaker 4: think he'd be ready to go.

2629
02:05:53,818 --> 02:05:54,017
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2630
02:05:54,058 --> 02:05:56,778
Speaker 4: And you know, Fred Werner's the apex. I don't know

2631
02:05:56,818 --> 02:05:59,057
Speaker 4: that he's Fred Werner, but if you're chasing that sort

2632
02:05:59,098 --> 02:06:06,738
Speaker 4: of player, Carter's in that mold. To me, he's somebody.

2633
02:06:06,858 --> 02:06:09,418
Speaker 4: He's projected to be a Day two pick if things

2634
02:06:09,458 --> 02:06:12,538
Speaker 4: go the right way and free agency. Like, definitely a

2635
02:06:12,578 --> 02:06:13,977
Speaker 4: guy look for. I don't know how much he's gonna

2636
02:06:13,978 --> 02:06:16,138
Speaker 4: pass rush in the NFL. He's probably more of a

2637
02:06:16,138 --> 02:06:21,098
Speaker 4: coverage guy, but they need that. Yeah, I like, I

2638
02:06:21,338 --> 02:06:23,298
Speaker 4: just looked this up pro comp Evan tell me I

2639
02:06:23,338 --> 02:06:24,698
Speaker 4: feel about this Kwan Alexander.

2640
02:06:25,218 --> 02:06:28,738
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, the guy I was thinking of was Trenton

2641
02:06:28,778 --> 02:06:32,858
Speaker 2: Simpson who got got drafted. I don't think his third round.

2642
02:06:33,897 --> 02:06:36,458
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's bigger, I don't think he's quite as athletic,

2643
02:06:36,538 --> 02:06:40,338
Speaker 4: but yeah, similar Robert Splaine would be another guy I

2644
02:06:40,897 --> 02:06:41,858
Speaker 4: throw as a camp Yeah.

2645
02:06:41,897 --> 02:06:44,578
Speaker 2: I like Kwan Alexander in his peak obviously.

2646
02:06:44,258 --> 02:06:48,017
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I assume that means peak. But yeah, he's

2647
02:06:48,018 --> 02:06:50,298
Speaker 4: got to bulk up a little bit. But he would

2648
02:06:50,298 --> 02:06:52,658
Speaker 4: give them that. You put him next to Bentley your set.

2649
02:06:52,818 --> 02:06:55,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty not like a number one need, but like

2650
02:06:55,338 --> 02:06:57,098
Speaker 2: a sneaky need linebacker.

2651
02:06:57,218 --> 02:06:59,298
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't know that they can. You're probably

2652
02:06:59,338 --> 02:07:01,298
Speaker 4: gonna have to take him in the second round, early

2653
02:07:01,338 --> 02:07:04,458
Speaker 4: third round. So they gotta get some business done in

2654
02:07:04,458 --> 02:07:06,218
Speaker 4: free agency to be able to do that. But if

2655
02:07:06,258 --> 02:07:08,937
Speaker 4: they do, it just fails. We'll watch him in the

2656
02:07:08,978 --> 02:07:10,057
Speaker 4: playoff against Texas.

2657
02:07:10,218 --> 02:07:13,698
Speaker 2: It feels like, unfortunately this staff is not very high

2658
02:07:13,698 --> 02:07:14,978
Speaker 2: on Marte Mapu.

2659
02:07:15,178 --> 02:07:17,698
Speaker 4: My guy, and so definitely not as a linebacker.

2660
02:07:17,778 --> 02:07:19,858
Speaker 2: It definitely sounds like they're not as high on him

2661
02:07:20,098 --> 02:07:23,418
Speaker 2: really really quickly, and then we're gonna go, Uh, Patriot's

2662
02:07:23,458 --> 02:07:28,458
Speaker 2: injury report just came out, so Javon Baker obviously it

2663
02:07:28,538 --> 02:07:31,498
Speaker 2: was the d MP without a with a CONCUSSI, Jalen

2664
02:07:31,538 --> 02:07:34,017
Speaker 2: Hawkins has an illness of whatever is going around. Jalen

2665
02:07:34,018 --> 02:07:37,858
Speaker 2: Hawkins in the club, and Jacquela and Roy misspractice with

2666
02:07:37,897 --> 02:07:40,618
Speaker 2: that foot injury that he's been fighting through. Marcus Jones

2667
02:07:40,698 --> 02:07:44,458
Speaker 2: back in a limited capacity. I think that changed. So

2668
02:07:44,498 --> 02:07:47,017
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones back in ulimited capacity. So that's your injury

2669
02:07:47,018 --> 02:07:49,937
Speaker 2: report updates. So Alex and I will be back next week.

2670
02:07:49,937 --> 02:07:53,778
Speaker 2: More traditional show next week. Well, I came into this

2671
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2672
02:07:56,098 --> 02:07:58,858
Speaker 2: talk about, and then we went over two hours somehow

2673
02:07:58,897 --> 02:08:02,458
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2674
02:08:02,498 --> 02:08:05,498
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2675
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