WEBVTT - 010624 A Letter on Equity vs. Equality (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 3>Journey than it is for others. We on the show

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<v Speaker 1>going to revisit a conversation that we had last week

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I couldn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania's Central Bucks School District was one of the places

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<v Speaker 2>where Moms for Liberty lost big in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three elections, with the right wing school board majority swept

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<v Speaker 2>out and replaced with Democrats. On Monday night, Karen Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been serving on the board in a Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>minority prior to this election, was sworn in as school

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<v Speaker 2>board president, part of the wave of change from the

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<v Speaker 2>anti LGBTQ oh book banning board voted out in November.

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<v Speaker 2>She made a powerful symbolic choice when it came to

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<v Speaker 2>what book she'd be sworn in on or another religious book,

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<v Speaker 2>but a stack of frequently banned books. Nice At the

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<v Speaker 2>top of Smith's pile of books was Ellie Weisel's Holocaust

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<v Speaker 2>survival memoir Knight, a choice with particular local residents. In January,

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<v Speaker 2>after the board band staff from advocating on partisan, political

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<v Speaker 2>or social policy issues, a Central Bucks librarian was told

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<v Speaker 2>to remove the Wisel quote. I swore never to be silent.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever and wherever human beings endorse suffering and humiliation, we

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<v Speaker 2>must always take side. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

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<v Speaker 2>Silence encourages the tormentor never the tormented. The other books

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<v Speaker 2>Smith chose or Tony Morrison's The Bluest Eye, Donna Gefferts,

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<v Speaker 2>Lily and Duncan, which has a transgender main character, George M.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson's All Boys Aren't Blue and Memoir about Growing Up

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<v Speaker 2>Black and LGBTQ, Mike Curedo's graphic novel Flamer, and Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Cochland's Beyond Magenta.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice That is Allyship if I ever saw it, shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to my favorite Karen Karen Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm going to read.

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<v Speaker 1>A letter to you, but first i want to explain

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<v Speaker 1>something to that we talked about last week. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you've heard this already, forgive us, but I'll try to

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<v Speaker 1>be as brief as I can. Last week we explained

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a hypothetical situation, a hypothetical monopoly situation, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Follow us.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not familiar, imagine we're all going to play Monopoly, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the only game we're playing, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to play because you can't play anything else, can't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. So in this game, you know that you

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<v Speaker 1>and I are going to go first. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>just play amongst ourselves. We're going to spin the dice,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, circle the board six or eight times.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get houses and property and all that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And after we've circled the board that amount of time,

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<v Speaker 1>then we're going to allow you to play the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you first start playing the game, you're only

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<v Speaker 1>able to roll one dice, okay, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>call that.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Crow. Ok And then.

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<v Speaker 1>For your first couple of laps, you cannot buy any

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<v Speaker 1>houses or collect two hundred dollars or collect two hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to call that. We'll call it like

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<v Speaker 1>a land theft or you know, new deal exemptions or

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<v Speaker 1>the unfair distribution of the GI.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill or segregations lining or well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and for the first few rounds, you have

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<v Speaker 1>these strikes against you, right, and I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>have these strikes in your mind as real things that

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<v Speaker 1>have happened in this country, as policy.

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<v Speaker 3>They were the rules in this country, okay, and then

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<v Speaker 3>after a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all of these things, you have the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>gain some ground. But by then we own I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, like eighty percent of the houses we own.

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<v Speaker 1>The wealth is ours, you know, everything like that, And

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<v Speaker 1>we're comparing you to us. Why are community, Why are

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<v Speaker 1>the rates of this in your community so low? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are the rates of this in your community so high?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Which I believe to be very unfair, because obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't start when we started, So it's like us picking

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<v Speaker 1>on you and not giving you the same opportunities. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you having played this game, because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>only game you can play, now have to choose between

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<v Speaker 1>two paths forward. One path represents equality and the other

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<v Speaker 1>path represents equity. Okay, now, equality says to you, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. Now you can roll both dice. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you can collect on community chest. Now you can buy houses,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you can collect two hundred dollars. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>can collect two hundred dollars when you pass go. So

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<v Speaker 1>now all of us can collect two hundred dollars, all

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<v Speaker 1>of us can buy houses. All of us are playing

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<v Speaker 1>by the same rules. That is equality by definition. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want equality or do you want equity? Equity

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<v Speaker 1>says you know what, We're going to give you four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for passing go. We're going to put together

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<v Speaker 1>some programs where you can get some houses. It's easier

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<v Speaker 1>for you to get there. They're especially for you. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't take advantage of those, okay, but you can.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need any more houses right now. Again, we're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing not with individuals. We're dealing with as the system

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<v Speaker 1>of monopoly. Okay, But these systems are in place so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can have a bit of equity, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you have a sporting chance of improving your status in

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<v Speaker 1>the game. Now, my question to you is which path

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<v Speaker 1>is better for you. I don't need your answer because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that your answer is equity. So there have

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<v Speaker 1>recently been attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. In fact, you and I have to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this all the time, and so I was very

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<v Speaker 1>excited when I got a letter from a longtime listener

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<v Speaker 1>of our show named Philip C. I don't want anybody

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<v Speaker 1>to pick on Philip, because, believe it or not, Philip's

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<v Speaker 1>that's my guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I rock with Philip.

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<v Speaker 1>Philip points out a lot of blind spots in our conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>He has some very different views of the world world

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<v Speaker 1>from me, and I think that's okay. We talk the

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<v Speaker 1>emails and I talk on the show often enough, but

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that we strengthen each other's viewpoints. He points

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<v Speaker 1>out blind spots over here, and I hope that I

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<v Speaker 1>do the same over there, right, And so he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a letter to us, and I'm gonna share with you

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<v Speaker 1>now kind of pointing out some blind spots that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so happy he did because now I get to speak

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<v Speaker 1>to them, because I'm sure there's other people who feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way. So allow me to read and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I sincerely mean this to Philip and anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to write a letter, not a comment

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, write a letter and really make your point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be happy to read that. Ramses, I heard your

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<v Speaker 1>monopoly comparison. Unfortunately, what you are going for will never work.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget about all the illegals here. If tomorrow we took

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<v Speaker 1>all the wealth and land and spit it, split it

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<v Speaker 1>evenly with the three hundred and thirty million US citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more than that now, But I get

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<v Speaker 1>your point. What do we do with the new births

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<v Speaker 1>from January fourth and on? What do we do with

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<v Speaker 1>the legal migrants? Anyway, it was already tried back when

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford was governor of Massachusetts. In the beginning, they tried

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<v Speaker 1>splitting everything equally, and what they found out was there

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<v Speaker 1>were people who were more productive and people who were

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<v Speaker 1>less productive. Resentment built. They switched to a more capitalist

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<v Speaker 1>way by keeping what they produced and then trading and bartering,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they prospered. I think this is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be any time or any new people that came to

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<v Speaker 1>Plymouth and beyond joined in and, like you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>started out behind but were able to make a life.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them never caught up, some did catch up,

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<v Speaker 1>and some surpassed. But this way of life worked and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone prospered. Maybe not to the same level, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were free from a king and better off than if

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<v Speaker 1>they stayed in their birth country.

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<v Speaker 3>Philip, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Again some blind spots like you know what I see you, Philip.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. So let me go through this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that this is it's it's not the same,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, we've done this with Phillips letters before

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<v Speaker 1>on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is not me picking on Philip again. That's

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<v Speaker 3>my brother.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he writes another letter and it works, we

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<v Speaker 1>will read it again. Right, it's not me picking on

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<v Speaker 1>Philip at all. But I've said his piece and I

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<v Speaker 1>get to say mine now. So So the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I never suggested was that we take everything away

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<v Speaker 1>from everybody and split it up evenly with everyone else. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>black people have never asked that of white people in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. I didn't ask that in the monopoly experiment example.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying, hey, you know what, Q and I,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to give up all of our wealth and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know I never said that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's I think that that it kind of lies

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the analogy that I was painting. So I really

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<v Speaker 1>can't speak to that because nobody has really floated that

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<v Speaker 1>as an idea. But right here, when he says that

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<v Speaker 1>in Massachusetts they tried splitting everything found out that it

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<v Speaker 1>was more productive. People were more PRODUCTI people were less productive.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very true. Capitalism, unfettered capitalism has its positives.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the system that I would prefer to see

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<v Speaker 1>us as human beings lean into.

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<v Speaker 3>But it does have its positives.

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<v Speaker 1>It does reward people who are innovative, and does reward

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<v Speaker 1>innovation and so forth. These are things that are true

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<v Speaker 1>that you also find in other economic models. But out credit,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas do capitalism does allow for that. In this country,

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<v Speaker 1>we often don't have unfettered capitalism. We have chrony capitalism. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that breaks down here too because as technical as.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get, but you also have renamed socialism, right, sure, Tony,

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism is socialism, sure those that whole rich people for

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<v Speaker 2>those that have, and unfettered capitalism for those that don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So those that don't, you know, the bootstraps thing that

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<v Speaker 2>they say, and for those that do, we will forgive

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<v Speaker 2>and we will amend, and we will change, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will divest, and we will do all these things to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that you remain where you are and that

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<v Speaker 2>those who don't don't even have a chance to catch up.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, And again I'm not talking about your outliers. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about your Jordan's and your Oprah's and your

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Obama's. In these immensely talented, brilliant minded people

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<v Speaker 1>who have born with this charisma, And so I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About data, what do the data support? And even the

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts example that them starting at the same point does

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<v Speaker 2>not prevent those who are more productive and work harder

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<v Speaker 2>from excelling. It doesn't that the idea that it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>work because and then the reason being because some were

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<v Speaker 2>more productive than others, as if there was some barrier

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<v Speaker 2>to success for those who were more productive. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case. So I don't know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>context missing from the letter at for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, but I think I can feel in a good

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<v Speaker 1>amount of that right here. So if you know someone

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<v Speaker 1>in your life as a listener of this show who

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, hey, there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Some holes in this liberal agenda, it'll never work, blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>The people that are just kind of dead set on

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<v Speaker 1>let's keep doing the current thing that doesn't work instead

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<v Speaker 1>of trying the thing that I don't feel has the

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<v Speaker 1>potential to work out as well for me, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have people like this in your life, hear what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to tell you. Okay, So often enough on this

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<v Speaker 1>show we talk about white privilege, and this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of white people, especially white men push

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<v Speaker 1>back against particularly so when they're dealing with some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of financial hardship that they don't feel should be.

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<v Speaker 3>Happening to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, why isn't my life gone the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to go? Why am I not a movie

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<v Speaker 1>star or a professional baseball player or a rock star

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<v Speaker 1>an astronaut like the American dream told me I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. I've been lied to. Oh it must

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<v Speaker 1>be these Mexican people, these black people, blah blah blah. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a group of people that feel this way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>when you suggest that these people have white privilege, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>push back and say, man, I really wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>some white privilege because it sucks out here for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and from their perspective, that's how it feels.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Not knocking anybody, but allow me to paint this picture

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that it helps further illuminate the point

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to make with this monopoly analogy. So, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in high school, I went to a place

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<v Speaker 1>it called Untown, and it was basically a camp where

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<v Speaker 1>they invited all the kids from all different races and

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<v Speaker 1>backgrounds and socioeconomic places and whatever. We all went to

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<v Speaker 1>this campground, and there was an exercise that we did

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<v Speaker 1>on the campground. He said, I don't want all the

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<v Speaker 1>students to stand in a line, okay, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to rehash that same experiment for the benefit of our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>because the only change being that they outlined people's privilege

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<v Speaker 1>by having them take a step forward. What I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do is turn that on its head. People that

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<v Speaker 1>don't have this privilege have to take a step backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're all starting at the start line, okay, Me, U, Q, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all at the same line.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and then there's a finish line in front of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and that finish line. If you cross that finish line,

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<v Speaker 1>you get you know, the American Dream, three wishes, a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar, whatever goal you want to put there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to show you what white privilege looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of people think it's an advantage. White

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<v Speaker 1>privilege is the benefit of getting the started zero. Just

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<v Speaker 1>like the monopoly experiment. If you're on this starting line

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<v Speaker 1>with me and Q and everybody else, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to take a You're going to move back one yard.

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<v Speaker 3>That's three feet. If you or people.

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<v Speaker 1>In your family have had to deal with the effects,

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<v Speaker 1>the after effects of slavery. So that's me and Q

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<v Speaker 1>taking some steps back. Really, everybody black taking some steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean to cover the three yards? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>take another three steps back, yard back if you're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the residual effects of the Black Codes, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>the economic advancement that could have turned into some success,

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<v Speaker 1>early success.

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<v Speaker 3>For your lineage, never made its way to you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know people have been imprisoned unfairly based on rules,

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<v Speaker 1>people didn't get to vote and shape the political climate

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<v Speaker 1>of their day to have a ripple effect, to have

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<v Speaker 1>more representation for you at every different point in society,

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<v Speaker 1>if the ripple effects of the Black Codes have reached you,

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<v Speaker 1>step back another yard. Okay, that includes me in Q,

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<v Speaker 1>and then everybody that looks like us, our children, our

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<v Speaker 1>grandma's and everybody in our families.

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<v Speaker 3>Another three steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>If Jim Crow, you know you have ancestors from the

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Crow South that didn't get a chance to represent

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<v Speaker 1>positive representations of you and your people in society, that

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<v Speaker 1>allowed a race sist society to perpetuate, and then those

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<v Speaker 1>people's children and children and children. And then you also

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<v Speaker 1>live in a climate where a lot of that still exists.

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<v Speaker 3>Take three steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>If your people have ever been subjected to large scale

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<v Speaker 1>land theft.

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<v Speaker 3>Take three steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that includes our Native American brothers and sisters, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on and on right. If your people were exempt from

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<v Speaker 1>the New Deal, take three steps back. You if your

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<v Speaker 1>people were treated unfairly with the distribution of GI benefits

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<v Speaker 1>World War one, World War.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, take three steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>If your people were subjected to bank theft, white people

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<v Speaker 1>stealing money from black people. We talked about that on

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<v Speaker 1>this show. We can talk about it again if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think I'm making any of this up, trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>We know now. We've been done more history studies now

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<v Speaker 1>than we've ever done before. For okay, but if that

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<v Speaker 1>ever happened to your people in mass, large scale that

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<v Speaker 1>prevented advancement, take three steps back. I'm not even close

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<v Speaker 1>to done. You mentioned redlining. If redlining has affected the

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<v Speaker 1>schools that your children can go to, the schools that

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<v Speaker 1>you were able to go to, If the ripple effects

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<v Speaker 1>of redlining have affected your community, take three more steps back.

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<v Speaker 1>If the attitudes that have shaped all of these outcomes

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<v Speaker 1>have infiltrated their way into the criminal justice system. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say policing, for instance, take three steps back. If the

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<v Speaker 1>police treat you unfairly, I personally Ramsa's job, Rudy King, Tayleb.

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<v Speaker 1>The second knows based on my personal lived experience, because

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<v Speaker 1>these eyes have seen it time and again, that that

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<v Speaker 1>is true. I got to take three more steps back

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I know the same is true for you.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even have to stop there. We can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about judicial sentencing. Indeed, the entirety of the car soool system,

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal realization of drugs. Drugs is not a health issue.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're black, it's a health issue if you're white. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get him in the rehab, let's get him somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>But the war on drugs, the crack epidemic, Nope, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal issue. These are criminals. We're going to put

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<v Speaker 1>them in prison, not going to help them. They're black.

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<v Speaker 1>Three steps back. I'm from Compton in the eighties. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. Three more steps back. No war on poverty

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<v Speaker 1>or war on drugs. Housing discrimination, I'm not just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the valuation of your house. I'm talking about can

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<v Speaker 1>you rent a house to have an address, to have

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<v Speaker 1>a job, Does this affect your community or you personally,

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<v Speaker 1>take three steps back, and granted not all of these

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<v Speaker 1>things are going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Affect all black people. I think everything you said so

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<v Speaker 2>far would okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then allow you to allow me to continue, because

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<v Speaker 1>this next one does, or this next one has a

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<v Speaker 1>better chance of that environmental racism. Environment racism means that

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<v Speaker 1>businesses can pollute on this side of town, but they

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<v Speaker 1>can't pollute on that side of town.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the long and the short of it. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a real thing. Google it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to explain it because I only

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<v Speaker 1>have a few more seconds. But if that affects your

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<v Speaker 1>people in your community, healthcare outcomes, et cetera, take three

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<v Speaker 1>more steps back. Now we all get to run forward

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<v Speaker 1>that finish line, but there's a lot of us that

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<v Speaker 1>are way back there trying to run for that finish line.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's say only a handful of people will make it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people got to run a lot harder,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll never make it. And this, I hope better

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<v Speaker 1>illuminates the concept of Dee and I and why it's necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of white privilege and helps further cement, at

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<v Speaker 1>least in Philip's mind what I was trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>as a point for the monopoly experiment. But that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Thank you Phil every time for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping us on our toes man. We appreciate it. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to do it for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Here on Civic Cyphers. So once again, I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>ramses Job. He is ramses Jah, I am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you guys. It's twenty twenty four, man, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the new year, New year, same us, new year's

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<v Speaker 2>same us, same stories, same trauma, same nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, one of the things that I know

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<v Speaker 1>to be true is that we've lessered of two evils,

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<v Speaker 1>our way to a less evil society in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four than it would have been in nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll take that. So let's keep moving. Help us out.

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