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Speaker 2: It's time hell Love Love, Hello, Welcome to the Naughty

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Speaker 2: but Nishow. I'm your host, Rob Shooter, and it's Thosday,

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Speaker 2: which means our dear friend Mark Looper joins us. Hey,

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Speaker 2: lupy Lou, are you there? Brown? You make me giggle?

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Speaker 2: You make me giggle. I missed the weeks that were

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Speaker 2: not together. Yesterday we were talking because of the Oscars,

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Speaker 2: business at really the top end, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: could not be on the show. So Monday and Tuesday

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Speaker 2: I did solo shows. I used to be really nervous

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Speaker 2: about doing a solo show. Now please, I can talk

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Speaker 2: for twenty minutes with that breathing. However, I do enjoy

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Speaker 2: it when you're all back. So I'm so happy you're

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Speaker 2: here at Mark, we missed you. Let's jump in to

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Speaker 2: our show. What time is it, my friends? It is

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Speaker 2: tea time, so big story at the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: We touched on this yesterday, but we've got to go deeper.

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Speaker 2: It's such a great story. So Variety has an amazing

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Speaker 2: expose about Meghan Makele and Netflix. They are the Bible.

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Speaker 2: Variety the Hollywood Reporter. They when you want inside Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: they don't mess about. I know the editor in chief

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Speaker 2: of both of them, and they're really brilliant people. So

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Speaker 2: this story, my ahs, like I've read every word. The

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Speaker 2: takeaway though, is that the Netflix boss, his name's Ted

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Speaker 2: so Randos. That's his name, Ted sarrandas you might recognize him.

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Speaker 2: He's been on TV a little bit. He sat front

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Speaker 2: row at the Oscars. They made fun of him a

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Speaker 2: little bit at the Oscars too, but he's very, very powerful.

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Speaker 2: Netflix is the company, and so he apparently would not

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Speaker 2: get on a telephone with Megan Markele unless there was

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Speaker 2: a Netflix lawyer present. That's a not a good sign.

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Speaker 2: Now they are pushing back. Team Sussex is saying no,

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Speaker 2: that's not true. She would text him and they would

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Speaker 2: chat regularly, and they even socialized. She went to his house,

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Speaker 2: and his team are put back to But Variety is

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Speaker 2: not making this stuff up. So they said it got

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Speaker 2: really really awkward with Meghan, and now I can report

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Speaker 2: exclusively I have a story today on my sub stack

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Speaker 2: that Harry and Meghan are considering legal options, legal resenses

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Speaker 2: to Netflix. Now, remember he did sue the British newspapers

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Speaker 2: like Harry's been in court. It feels like every week

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Speaker 2: for the past four years over the Daily Mail and

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Speaker 2: the British papers, they do like a lawsuit of what

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Speaker 2: I hear going on here is that Harry and Meghan

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Speaker 2: think the team of Netflix have been leaking stories about them.

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Speaker 2: If you remember, they threw this same accusation at Victoria

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Speaker 2: They thought the Beckhams were leaking stories on the Sisinxes.

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Speaker 2: Now they think Netflix is doing it. I think they're

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Speaker 2: just angry here. They're angry it didn't work out. They're

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Speaker 2: angry that this expos is really detailed. They might have

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Speaker 2: a point about leaking stories because somebody's still get the rioting,

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Speaker 2: and it's somebody within the house, Like these stories are

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Speaker 2: so specific. Somebody's gott a bit of back then. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that it's a lawsuit. I think Harry

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Speaker 2: and meg and are gonna say it's a breach of contract.

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Speaker 2: But if I was Netflix, I would be really happy

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Speaker 1: The story was incredible. I was reading it last night

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Speaker 1: and I think this is the end. And truly, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to assume Netflix and you're in involved tempserrendous

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Speaker 1: in this drama, no one else is going to hire you.

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Speaker 1: No other studio, no other streaming service wants to deal

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Speaker 1: with kind of mess. Multiple measure outlets have called them

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Speaker 1: grifters at this point. It's just it feels over their

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Speaker 2: Market's over, like all the people you're could have picked

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Speaker 2: the biggest, most powerful company in the entertainment business. Arguably,

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Speaker 2: YouTube and Netflix are bigger n than studios. There big

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Speaker 2: their networks, and so you got to deal with them.

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Speaker 2: Potentially one hundred million dollars that was never confirmed. I'm

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Speaker 2: told it was not quite that much. In fact, not

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Speaker 2: to sue the people you're trying to work with. But

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Speaker 2: get the answer they wanted. There was you can see anybody.

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Speaker 2: It's America. You can sue whoever you like. It's very expensive,

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Speaker 2: but you can't win unless you have facts and you

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Speaker 2: have evidence and you can prove your point. What are

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Speaker 2: they going to prove here that our shows didn't do

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Speaker 2: very well? Yeah they did it, but you can't see

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Speaker 2: over that. They're gonna claim that there wasn't enough promotion

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Speaker 2: put into these shows. Now, what Netflix will claim is

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Speaker 2: we did not know you were writing that book, and

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Speaker 2: All the stuff that was really juicy they gave away

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Speaker 2: for free. So by the time the Netflix deal came out,

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Speaker 2: all the juicy stuff Mark we had got without paying

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Speaker 2: a major lawsuit. Netflix went back down. They're not gonna

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Speaker 2: pay them off. Here. I hear within Netflix they really

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Speaker 2: dislike these two, not just marginally. We've all had people

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Speaker 1: And you could tell the sources in this article clearly

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Speaker 1: giving very specific details about like the behavior of Megan

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Speaker 1: their brand. If anything, her her Megan's Harry's a Megan

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Speaker 2: going to get ugly? I think it already has. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So, the Spice Girls have scrapped their thirtieth anniversary comeback

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Speaker 1: hopes of the want to be Readingion moment this summer. Still,

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Speaker 2: There's no show. It's the Victoria show. At this point,

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Speaker 1: your idea. I think having one or two shows, one

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashians are nicest at the day. Love So she

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