WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: A Conversation with Clay Travis

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Buck Sexton and you're listening to the Carol

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<v Speaker 1>Markowitz Show on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast Network.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be a political show. It was

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<v Speaker 2>important to me that this show be on bigger topics

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<v Speaker 2>and not just news of the day. But the news

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<v Speaker 2>right now is extremely personal to me, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say something about it. On Saturday morning, Israel

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<v Speaker 2>was attacked. I'm sure you've seen the horrifying videos and stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go over any of that. I've

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<v Speaker 2>barely slept since Saturday. The images, they really stay on

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. We're just getting to know each other on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast, so I wanted to tell you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about myself. I mentioned last episode that I

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<v Speaker 2>was born in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually how my family was able to get out. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't go into the whole history, but I do enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>noting that my family owes their freedom to President Gerald Ford.

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<v Speaker 2>He negotiated for Jews to be let out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union because we were being persecuted for our religion.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't hold various jobs, live in certain places, and

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<v Speaker 2>so on. I feel like people sometimes don't understand that

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism is a religion, yes, but we are also a people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I can take a DNA test and find

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<v Speaker 2>out that I'm Jewish, but you can't similarly take a

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<v Speaker 2>DNA test for other faiths and find out that you're

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic or Muslim or something. So in the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 2>we were Jews as our nationality. That's what it said

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<v Speaker 2>on our papers. It wasn't like you could convert out

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Some of you might know Jews from the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union who live in America and refer to themselves

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<v Speaker 2>as Russian, maybe not recently, but then you come to

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<v Speaker 2>find out they were born in Ukraine or Belarus or elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's because we were never Russian or Ukrainian or Belarussian.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just Jews. My family moved to Brooklyn, New

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<v Speaker 2>York when I was a small child, and despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that my parents were both atheists, because again Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>I went to an Orthodox Jewish school for the first

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<v Speaker 2>eight years of my life. I mentioned that because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give you some insight into what little Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>kids learn in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>All day.

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<v Speaker 2>We learned about peace. Our songs were about making peace,

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<v Speaker 2>we read books about peace, We prayed for peace. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been lucky in some ways because my ex Soviet world,

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<v Speaker 2>and my politically conservative world, and my Florida world are

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<v Speaker 2>all overwhelmingly pro Israel. So I never fear in speaking

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<v Speaker 2>out that I'm going to lose friends or something. And

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<v Speaker 2>while I noticed the silence of some people I follow,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't have any in my life arguing that

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<v Speaker 2>murdering babies or kidnapping grandma's is just to be expected.

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<v Speaker 2>And honestly, I know some Jews are angry about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I somewhat understand the people who are not speaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not Jewish and you want to stay out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, I get it. You can feel disgusted by

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<v Speaker 2>the images of dead bodies at a music festival but

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<v Speaker 2>not take to Facebook to let your friends know how

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<v Speaker 2>you feel. It's understandable. But I am Jewish and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't stay out of it. I can't be quiet. Those

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<v Speaker 2>dead people are me. I see my children's faces in

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<v Speaker 2>the faces of the kids that were taken. I won't

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<v Speaker 2>pretend otherwise. I can't. Of course, if you comment on

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<v Speaker 2>every single other catastrophe around the world and are suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>silent on this. Yes, we notice, and there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people like that, big time activists for every cause,

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<v Speaker 2>who care a lot about everything except dead Jews. We notice.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that is hard about this current

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<v Speaker 2>moment is that people hear your support for Israel or

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<v Speaker 2>just general opposition to rape and slaughter, and immediately imagine

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<v Speaker 2>you're pushing a policy position. I'm sure there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who want the US to get involved in Israel's fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of them. I think Israel can handle

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<v Speaker 2>her own business and will understand that you're being lied to.

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<v Speaker 2>If you hear the Jews in general or Israelis in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>are asking for American involvement, it's simply untrue. We're afraid

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I always saw America as a safe haven

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<v Speaker 2>for Jews, and I always referred to American Jews like

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<v Speaker 2>myself as the luckiest Jews in history. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to lie. It's been a tough few years. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a moment where there were attacks on Jews every day,

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<v Speaker 2>and so many people rush to excuse them. It was

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<v Speaker 2>happening in Brooklyn daily, and even other Jews shrugged. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember Kanye West said Hitler was right, and way too

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<v Speaker 2>many people invited him on their shows to hear more

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<v Speaker 2>about that. It hasn't felt great. If you have Jews

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<v Speaker 2>in your life, understand that they are really going through

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<v Speaker 2>something right now. None of us are functioning well. All

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<v Speaker 2>of us are afraid. Good people have asked what they

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<v Speaker 2>can do and how they can help. There are Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>charities you can support. I've listed some on my Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>You can check in with your Jewish friends, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>they have family in Israel, which many of us do.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing is, if you go shooting, offer to take

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<v Speaker 2>your Jewish friend. Silly as that may sound, many of

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<v Speaker 2>us didn't grow up in a shooting culture, and many

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<v Speaker 2>of us are very interested in protecting ourselves but don't

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly how. Listen. I want my kids to sing

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<v Speaker 2>those songs of peace, and i want them to work

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<v Speaker 2>for peace, but I'm also going to teach them how

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot as soon as they are old enough. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm never going to cower to people who hate us

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<v Speaker 2>for an identity we couldn't shed if we wanted to.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's it. This is a podcast about life and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's going on in my life right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up next is an interview I did with Clay Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>recorded before the war in Israel began. Join us after

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<v Speaker 2>the break. My guest today is my friend Clay Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>co host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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<v Speaker 2>and author of the best selling book American Playbook.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Clay, how are you, Carol?

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you having me on. Yes, I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>own copy. I hope you're enjoying it. It's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a fun read, and so I hope you're enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope anybody else who's reading it I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't reached the part where you are insulting the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always thinking, like, hey, can I write an entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>book for people who might not otherwise be interested in

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<v Speaker 1>a politics book?

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<v Speaker 3>And I like to think that I have done. So

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see whether or not that continues to be a case.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm loving it, and you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just get right into it. But you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned in your book that you are a history nerd,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know this is something that I did know

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<v Speaker 2>about you already. I have two sons, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one is a sports kid, you know, a superstar in

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<v Speaker 2>football and nic name every player on every team, and

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<v Speaker 2>the other one is super into history. I've really never

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<v Speaker 2>seen anybody kind of merge those two interests. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're unique in that way?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've always been obsessed with sports and also

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with history my whole wife. When I was six

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<v Speaker 1>years old, I don't think this is in the book,

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<v Speaker 1>but what I wanted to do for my sixth birthday

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<v Speaker 1>was go to the Alamo. So my dad took me

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<v Speaker 1>to the Alamo. I wanted to go to every Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War battlefield growing up and read everything about the Civil War. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you're kid, I think you think whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>do is normal, and then you get to be an

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<v Speaker 1>adult and you raise your own kids, and you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing everything about the Alamo when you're six years old

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<v Speaker 1>is not like a normal thing, right, And also simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>knowing everything about let's say SEC football and Major League

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<v Speaker 1>baseball when you're six.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, I don't know where that all came from.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always a massive reader, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say maybe the reading thing was abnormal, But

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<v Speaker 1>of being obsessed with sports meant that I couldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>any body on the planet who liked sports, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I had always that that dichotomy where you

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<v Speaker 1>could have like sort of a super nerdy interest. As

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I say this in the book because my

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<v Speaker 1>wife still refuses to believe that she married somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>went to Civil warst sleep away Camp and had.

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<v Speaker 3>Kids with them, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Camp scholarship kid to Civil Wars sleep Away Camp is

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<v Speaker 1>a different universe, right, But I do think that that

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<v Speaker 1>that whole aspect to me kind of always felt intertwined,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see it in my kids. My oldest, in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>as a monster sports fan, was also great at debate,

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<v Speaker 1>and whereas I was super interested in the Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>when he was young, he was very, very interested in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two and he would read everything about World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, and so I saw that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where that comes from, but I saw that a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit in him, and I said, Okay, this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>is in some way a reflection.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so you have the biggest radio show in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you always want to be in radio?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't look I growing up listened to sports talker

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<v Speaker 1>radio as a young kid. And so when my dad

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<v Speaker 1>would pick me up at school or whatever what we did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were driving home, and it's funny, I had

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<v Speaker 1>my he just turned nine, but I had my eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old in the car recently, and I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to sports talk radio and he just reminds me a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of me as well. But he said, Dad, can

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<v Speaker 1>you believe there's a radio station where all they do

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<v Speaker 1>is talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Sports, Like that's the best thing ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, like he'll just sit there and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and he knows all the players, and they

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<v Speaker 1>got the fantasy football teams and everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Interested in radio, Like as a kid, I called into

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<v Speaker 1>local sports talk radio to talk about whatever at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would sit on wait on hold for

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes to an hour or whatever and be

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<v Speaker 1>super nervous. So I was interested and aware of sports

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<v Speaker 1>talk radio. But you know that I went to college

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<v Speaker 1>and then I went to law school, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Do something with the law degree.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had what I would call a quarter life

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<v Speaker 1>crisis where I was in my law firm and I

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty five years old, and I just almost had

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<v Speaker 1>like this panic attack come over me because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this could be the next forty years

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<v Speaker 1>of my life. So I thought writing that I would

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<v Speaker 1>My goal was to make a living as a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>and in my mind, I knew writing and radio and TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think of myself as a writer, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it's a small part of what I do on a

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<v Speaker 1>day to day basis now.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was my love. So I would have said.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you've been talking to me when I

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<v Speaker 1>was fifteen, and if you said, Clay, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do when you grow up, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>told me that I could make a living as a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, that's the greatest job in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. And I went and got a law degree,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also got an MFA and thought that I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to teach creative writing, that I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to teach creative writing as the way in which that

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<v Speaker 1>I would make a living. And I taught creative writing

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<v Speaker 1>at Vanderbilt, and I still think that I'm minored in

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<v Speaker 1>creative writing in college. I still think that's probably one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best jobs out there to live on a

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<v Speaker 1>college campus and just get to teach kids writing, creative

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<v Speaker 1>writing in particular. But so I I probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>said at fifteen, what do you want to do if

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<v Speaker 1>I could make a living as a writer.

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<v Speaker 3>Either.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have probably said fiction at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'd always been a huge reader. But that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>what I would have thought I would do. I never

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<v Speaker 1>really thought radio or television or anything like that was

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be a career path.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you've made it.

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<v Speaker 3>So? No? But yes in some ways. Let me explain

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean by that.

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<v Speaker 1>About a decade ago, I was at a minor league

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<v Speaker 1>baseball game Triple A, which is one level below the

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<v Speaker 1>major leagues, and I remember feeling like I was a

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<v Speaker 1>Triple A media talent. I felt like I could be

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<v Speaker 1>a major league player, but I was doing local sports

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<v Speaker 1>talk radio in Nashville. I was running my own website

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, out Kick, but I wasn't a major Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a major league player yet, but I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I had the talent to be in the major leagues.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm in the major leagues, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>great because I don't have to worry about paying my

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage or whether my kids can afford to go to college.

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<v Speaker 1>Like those things are great, but I still feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not at the top level performance that I can be.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like maybe I'm in major leagues and

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<v Speaker 1>I still can prove that I'm an all star and

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<v Speaker 1>so so I feel like I'm fortunate to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the major leagues, but I don't feel like I've reached,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the apex ability of what I could could accomplish.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it like living a public life, Like do you

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<v Speaker 2>get recognized everywhere you go? And like what you know,

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<v Speaker 2>any any hate.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it's mostly positive where I live now. Remember I

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<v Speaker 1>live in Nashville, and I think that's probably different than

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<v Speaker 1>if I lived in New York or LA.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the reactions would be would be different.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think about it more in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>my kids, because they're getting old enough now where they

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that Dad doesn't have a normal job, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I had a conversation with them the other day where

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Hey, you know, you're getting old enough where

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<v Speaker 1>you may hear people say things about what I do

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<v Speaker 1>or what I say, And I said, that's great. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fortunate to get to be able to say exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I think. But I said, all I ever want

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<v Speaker 1>you guys to do is judge me on dad, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let anybody else what they're saying publicly about anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I do. You know me better than anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to write about me. You live in the house

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<v Speaker 1>with me. If I'm doing a good job as dad,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my goal, then judge me on that. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>has jobs. The job you can be good at.

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<v Speaker 3>Or bad at.

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<v Speaker 1>The praise can come or go. You asked about whether

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've made it. What I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bet you've seen this too, is media careers

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<v Speaker 1>are very much like roller coasters. Like you're really high

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<v Speaker 1>up and you think, oh man, everything's going great, and

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<v Speaker 1>then somebody like you'll lose something and you go back down,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you climb your way back up, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I've just seen you know, I've been in media for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years now, you know, a generation, and I've just

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<v Speaker 1>seen that happen so many times, where you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really great, and then you get fired and

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<v Speaker 1>then work you know as hard agin and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know it may not be anything that you did. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I started out kick because FanHouse shut down the

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<v Speaker 1>site that I was at.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have kept doing it for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. So I just think you have to The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I would say I'm proud of is I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm a pretty good dad. I'm not as good

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<v Speaker 1>of a dad as my dad was, he was phenomenal,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I'm a pretty good dad. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm an okay husband, and I've been married almost

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and I think I'm pretty good at radio

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<v Speaker 1>writing and TV. And so when you ask, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a good question. Do you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 1>made it? Here's a way that I would think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If I could go back in time right now, would

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<v Speaker 1>I change anything? My answer is no, because I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable with where I am today. That doesn't mean I've

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<v Speaker 1>not made a lot of mistakes. It doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not incredibly flawed and imperfect like every person out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm very comfortable in my own skin and with

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<v Speaker 1>where I am today, and I wouldn't want to change anything,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I wouldn't want to not go to law school,

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<v Speaker 1>or I wouldn't want to go to a different college,

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<v Speaker 1>or certainly I wouldn't want to, you know, not get married.

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<v Speaker 1>I got married at twenty five years old. Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't change anything. I would the only thing I would

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<v Speaker 1>want to have had more kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think. I don't think I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 3>any more. I think we got three.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel happy that we have three healthy and happy

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<v Speaker 1>kids right now. But you know, other than like, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to have five or six kids because I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the ability to take care of them, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're so amazing and so unique as I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a parent.

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<v Speaker 3>But other than that, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not really anything in my life that And I

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<v Speaker 1>fought for us to have three, so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I won that battle. My wife, I think, would have

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<v Speaker 1>said stayed at two, but I would have had four

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<v Speaker 1>or five or six if the timing had worked out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because in the book, you say I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to have a daughter, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's thinking about possibly having a fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I say to my wife all the time, like

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<v Speaker 3>you're not, you know, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, that's a maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a maybe for me, it's a no for her

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<v Speaker 1>so so, and usually mom wins in these battles because

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<v Speaker 1>having a child for me is a lot less work

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<v Speaker 1>than having a child for her, as I will readily acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I would.

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would have been cool to have a

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and see what it's like to raise a daughter

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<v Speaker 1>compared to having, you know, three boys.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very happy to have three boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Thankful that I don't have three girls, trust me, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to have had three boys and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a girl too.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I was going to ask you how

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<v Speaker 2>long you've been married. You said almost twenty years. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any advice for newlyweds?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your co host is a newlywed, have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We've not talked about this with Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because Buck's in a unique spot because he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get married till after he was forty. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>men get so set in their ways that I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually more challenging for men if they stay single

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<v Speaker 1>for that long to get married than it is depending

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<v Speaker 1>on how old your husband is. I think women are

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<v Speaker 1>way more mature than men. And what I mean by

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<v Speaker 1>that is like a lot of the whole marital process,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I never really just thought about it that much.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like, you know, for instance, the age

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<v Speaker 1>at which you should have kids. My wife just said

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<v Speaker 1>she's two years older than me. She was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to start trying to have kids now. And like,

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<v Speaker 1>as a man, I think, because you have the luxury

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<v Speaker 1>of like, you could have a kid at sixty, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not advisable, but you could. Like, So, the clocks

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<v Speaker 1>are different for women than men, and so I would

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<v Speaker 1>say women probably need, in my.

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<v Speaker 3>Opinion, to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be more linient with men, particularly early in marriage, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not what you want them to be. What I

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<v Speaker 1>have come to find out is ye, most men when

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<v Speaker 1>they get married, in my experience, would love for their

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<v Speaker 1>wives to stay the exact same forever, right, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting married young. We would like, we would like,

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<v Speaker 1>we love everything about you. We would like for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be eternally the exact same way you are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Every woman basically gets married to a guy in my experience,

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea being he's okay, but I'm gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you women go into like, hey I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>rehab this.

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<v Speaker 2>We see potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys invest in potential. Men invest in the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of now, and so men are very comfortable I

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<v Speaker 1>think oftentimes into now, and women are very comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>the He isn't just kind of okay now, but in

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<v Speaker 1>ten years he can be a good dad. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to have a good future. Like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying about. You guys see a longer trajectory and

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<v Speaker 1>range than.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of men do. And I'll give

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<v Speaker 3>you an easy example.

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<v Speaker 1>Every man when they get engaged has no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>the next step is. Every woman is like ready to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out every aspect of the marriage within, like in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the ceremony and everything else where it should happen,

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<v Speaker 1>what the time is, or you know, it gets on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with her mom and like it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the whole apparatus is moving in place. Because you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have all been thinking about it. I can barely even

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like conceive of all the details that were involved.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just think women are way more involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't one of those women who had thought about

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<v Speaker 2>what her wedding would be like, and that was a

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<v Speaker 2>mistake because you can't figure it out in a short

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<v Speaker 2>period of time. You need those years of planning, like

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<v Speaker 2>which I realized, you know, I realized in retrospect I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't done. Yeah, so I you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the right way to go. That women

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<v Speaker 2>think about it for a long time before and then

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<v Speaker 2>you get to the most expensive event of your life

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing I would say was I was

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<v Speaker 1>very conscious of what I wanted. I wanted good looking

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<v Speaker 1>and super smart. Those were my two criteria, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I went I hit a home run on.

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<v Speaker 3>That, But you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of men focus on the good

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<v Speaker 1>looking and they don't necessarily focus on the like idea

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<v Speaker 1>of hey, you're potentially going to be having children with

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<v Speaker 1>this person, like I want, you know, the offspring to

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<v Speaker 1>also be successful, so you know, and also thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>What was not pretty dumb?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what kind of mom h your potential significant other

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<v Speaker 1>would be. So I would say two men focus less

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<v Speaker 1>on the immediate Oh she's really pretty, I really like

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<v Speaker 1>her right now, and more on okay, ten years, twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the trajectory.

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<v Speaker 2>So the potential you want to think about than we do.

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<v Speaker 2>M Yeah, so what do you think are like some

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<v Speaker 2>of our largest societal problems in America, Like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you worry about for your kids?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So, my thing that I hammer home to my boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and I try to say this every time I go

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<v Speaker 1>talk to young audiences is focus on what you can control.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm big on individual responsibility, but also just the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can really control is your work ethic. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't control how the world around you responds to you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can control that. I work super hard every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I say, graduate from high school. These are minimum standards,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, but if every kid could do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the country would be far better. Graduate from

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<v Speaker 1>high school, get a job, get married, don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>kid until you're twenty five, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay,

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<v Speaker 1>straight male female. If you do that, your poverty rate

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<v Speaker 1>is zero, no matter how poor your family circumstances were

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<v Speaker 1>for your upbringing, and then you can provide a better

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for your kids.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be my pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>My concern, and I write about this a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>the book, is that we have allowed identity politics to

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<v Speaker 1>completely take over our body politic. And what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>by that is you'll often hear somebody say, hey, as

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<v Speaker 1>a transgender woman, I believe and I always think like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you put your identity in front of your opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>why should I care your opinions either a valid and

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<v Speaker 1>a good argument or it's not. I don't care about

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<v Speaker 1>the things you didn't control. And I'm concerned that when

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<v Speaker 1>we were growing up, because you're around my age, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like what we were taught was most people are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty similar, right, whether despite your background, your common humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>In America, most people are pretty similar. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>think what we're often teaching kids is you're all very dissimilar,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because of things you didn't choose, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to things you did choose, like the idea that that

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<v Speaker 1>your race and your your your gender, to me are

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<v Speaker 1>two of the least interesting things about people.

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<v Speaker 3>The things that you don't the things that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't choose are are are far more interesting to me,

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<v Speaker 1>so far less interesting to me than things that you

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<v Speaker 1>do choose. And I think we focus on identity over

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<v Speaker 1>everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that solvable?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that? Yeah? I think it is what.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have to have a landslide election, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have somebody who can speak to and

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're starting to see it right, because the

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<v Speaker 1>argument when Trump won in sixteen was oh, he's super

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<v Speaker 1>racist and Republicans are doomed forever to only have white voters.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Hispanic, Asian and Black voters have actually become more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to vote Republican in twenty twenty and in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two than they were before Trump. Because I think the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental lie that Democrats and I should say left this

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<v Speaker 1>because there's some Democrats who would reject this, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental lie that Democrats tell is that America is an

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<v Speaker 1>awful racist place and that's simply not.

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<v Speaker 2>True that brown people are dying.

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<v Speaker 1>To literally every day black and brown people die trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this country. If this were the most

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<v Speaker 1>racist country out there, their decision to do that would

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<v Speaker 1>make zero syd. So I think that's the fundamental lie

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<v Speaker 1>that Democrats have brought into Then I think it's rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in identity politics because this idea that all white men

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<v Speaker 1>are evil. I used to joke and I still do

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<v Speaker 1>make this joke visually, but like I pick the worst

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<v Speaker 1>time ever to become a rich white guy for basically

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<v Speaker 1>all of American history. If you're a rich white guy

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<v Speaker 1>like everything you were, like you the best person ever,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I suddenly I was poor. My family was poor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically our whole life, and now I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>rich white guy like that? How dare you be a

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<v Speaker 1>rich white guy? You're you've done everything that's wrong with America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I went to public school. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>grow up in a good part of Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>And here with your best tip for my listeners on

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<v Speaker 2>how they can improve their lives. What's the advice that

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<v Speaker 2>you think people should follow to make their lives better.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it has to be that you completely own

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<v Speaker 1>your own success or failure, and whatever you find that

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<v Speaker 1>you have a skill in that you enjoy spending time in.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I had a quarter life crisis. Being a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer's not an awful job. My grandfather's worked in factories

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<v Speaker 1>their whole lives. There are a lot of bad jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>trust me, I know, and a lot of jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>stink and also don't pay well, which is a double combo.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think if you can find something that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't look at the clock while you do over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you will win.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can find a way to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at the clock all the time when I

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<v Speaker 1>practice law, I couldn't wait for the day to be

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<v Speaker 1>over so I could leave and no longer be required

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<v Speaker 1>to be practicing laws. I don't look at the clock

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<v Speaker 1>when I sit down and write. I don't really look

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<v Speaker 1>at the clock other than to make sure we hit

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<v Speaker 1>time breaks when I sit down to do radio. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't looked at the clock for this entire conversation that you.

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<v Speaker 3>And I are having.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because I enjoy it, and I think you can't

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<v Speaker 1>fake enjoyment because over time, if you like what you do,

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<v Speaker 1>you will be more successful.

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<v Speaker 3>At that than someone who does not like what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you can mirror your your advocation with something

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<v Speaker 1>that you enjoy spending time doing, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>successful in it. I also would say this, figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a job, look and see what your

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<v Speaker 1>boss's boss does. If you don't think that you would

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<v Speaker 1>like to do what your boss's boss does, then you

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<v Speaker 1>probably shouldn't be in that profession because what are you

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<v Speaker 1>building toward what I think you know? Like in the

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<v Speaker 1>law firm, I'd be like, oh, the name partner, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he just gets paid more to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do basically the same thing that I do now.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a small law firm, so I could

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<v Speaker 1>see kind of what they did that wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't mean I couldn't have been successful at it, but

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately I would have never succeeded like someone who loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the reason I've had success in media

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<v Speaker 1>is because I genuinely love what I get to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And final way, by the way Carol would be when

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<v Speaker 1>I sold out Kicked two years ago, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of won the lottery, and I think everybody

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<v Speaker 1>sits around and thinks, oh, what would I do if

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<v Speaker 1>I won the lottery? How would I spend my life?

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody has had that fantasy and everybody's played through it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the entire basis of why the lottery works as

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<v Speaker 1>a business, right, It's that fantasy fulfillment. To me, the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate answer is I would wake up and keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm already doing. If you answered that, then you

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<v Speaker 1>are living a life that you can be. I think

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<v Speaker 1>successful and proud and happy in And I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I had that experience where I woke up, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>won the lottery. I've got money, I've got the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to do lots of things. What do I want to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I want to keep doing exactly what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already doing. I think that's why I ended up winning

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<v Speaker 1>the lottery, because I had already worked myself into a

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<v Speaker 1>place where I was so happy doing what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I really love that answer. That's

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<v Speaker 2>some really great advice. I think our listeners should definitely

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<v Speaker 2>listen to that. Thank you Clay for coming on. Loved

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<v Speaker 2>having you, and please come back any time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, by the way, you are killing it. I love

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<v Speaker 1>reading your columns. You are super talented.

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<v Speaker 3>At your show.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably shouldn't expect to get praised all the times

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<v Speaker 1>by the guests, but I am really impressed with how talented.

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<v Speaker 3>You are the work that you are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>The only negative thing I can say is that your

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<v Speaker 1>poor cowboy fan son is going to be miserable for

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<v Speaker 1>most of his life because he's a Cowboys fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope we play the Titans sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Titans fans are definitely my courage.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Clay, Thanks so much Clay Travis for joining the

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Markowitz Show. We'll see you again on Mondays and Thursdays.

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