1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Monster d Z Sniper, a production of I 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Tenderfoot t V. The views and opinions 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: author or individuals participating in the podcast, and do not 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: represent those of iHeart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised. September five, two thousand two, Clinton, Maryland, 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: about a month before the DC sniper attacks began, and 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: two months before investigators found Paul the Rufa's laptop in 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: the sniper's car, Larufa was ambushed. It's pretty amazing that 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: you go from just an ordinary routine to all of 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're part of this crazy thing that happened. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: That's one of the largest man hunts in history. At 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: the end of a long, busy day, he closed down 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: his family restaurant with a couple of friends. He put 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: the day's earnings in a bank bag and wished his 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: friends good night. I locked up the restaurants at the alarm, 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: We all to our cars. I got in the driver's side, 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: shut the door, and before I could do anything, the 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: window to my left exploded. SID Emergency nine one one 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: center shooting. Now it doesn't know a lot. You're the 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: one at that time, No, man, it was the owner. 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I think you guys shot robbed. I heard the guests. 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: I thought, who was the robbery? And a shooting? Okay, 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: that the dulance from the police officer on the way. 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Who did them? I have no idea. I couldn't tell 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: it from the back the black jacket, black backpack, and 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the black pap What type of weapon would is? However? 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: Was gun shot? I don't know if you've heard of football. 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Five shots came in the window. They all hit me. 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: It went from a tremendous sound that deafened my left ear, 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: then within seconds it became incredibly quiet. I didn't have 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: time to blink, let alone see anything. All I saw 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: was a flash of light and that was it. I 34 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: was bleeding out of my chest and my upper back, 35 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: lower neck because one of the shots hit me from 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: that angle. So I leaned on the horn to just 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: attract anybody who would be around, and leaned on it, 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: leaned on it, and then I opened the door. I 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: was able to get out of the car and stand up, 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: and one of the guys that I left with was 41 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: walking towards me. He was dialing his cell phone moment. 42 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm at Mark Delanez on Stewart Lane in curt Maryland. 43 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: I need an ambulance right here. Uh. Guy came out 44 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: for behind the store and uh and shop Paul Arupa 45 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: and us leading. Uh. The person that you're talking to 46 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: or they in a car. I know he was in 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: the car and he's standing, but he's outside the car. Job. 48 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't haven't stand. Try to get him to sit 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: down and not move around. Can you sit in the 50 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: car to sit down and not move around? All right? 51 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: But I don't want to sign here. The pressure of 52 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: the blood inside me was collapsing my lungs. I didn't 53 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: know that's what was happening. All I know is that 54 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I was suffocating. They said they were going to get 55 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: a helicopter, but then the helicopter was too far away, 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: so they were just sending regular E M t s. 57 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: And they did. They got there, got me into the ambulance. 58 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: I was really having trouble breathing, and I just had 59 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: the feeling we weren't going that quickly. So I would 60 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: say how much longer? How much longer? And they said, 61 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: not not that much longer. If I lead, we got 62 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: to the hospital and there was a team. They're ready, 63 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: and they rolled me into the emergency room and just 64 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: basically did exactly how you see it on TV. There 65 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: were four or five six people around me just doing 66 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: what they had to do to save my life. They 67 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: got me into surgery and for six or seven hours 68 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: picked out as many as the bullet fragments as they 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: could and and sewed me up and and saved my life. 70 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: So that's what happened the first night. And then I 71 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: spent just about another week in the hospital. I was 72 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: three days on a breathing machine in intensive care, uh, 73 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: because I couldn't breathe. So after that they tested and 74 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: took me off and it was still tough, but I could. 75 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: I could breathe on my own. After about a week, 76 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: I said I really wanted to go home, and they 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: said okay, So I I left the hospital with a 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: contraption from my left arm. The most lasting physical effect 79 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: of one of the bullets was that it severed a 80 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: nerve in my arm. I could close my hand, but 81 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to open it again. So they had 82 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: therapists that designed and made a brace type thing from 83 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: my hand. It had rubber bands on it and it 84 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: would spring back and pull my fingers apart and open 85 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: my hand. I actually had that on about a year 86 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: before the nerve drew back and gave me function in 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: my left hand, and to this day it's not but anyway, 88 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: that was the lasting physical effect. Of course, I went 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: through tremendous mental effect of it, starting with the first 90 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: night I was in the hospital. I had flashbacks that 91 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: were incredible. You literally relive it. If you've ever had 92 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: a nightmare where you're scared or somebody's chasing you, it's 93 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: that times ten, because you really relive it. You hear it, 94 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: your ears, hear that sound, and you feel it, and 95 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: it's just terrible. It's it's horrible. You can't turn it off, 96 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: you can't make it stop. It just happens. Happen every night. 97 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: I was shot September five. They didn't catch them till October, 98 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: So for at least that time and probably a little more, 99 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I had that flashback all the time. So that was hard, 100 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: and then it began to wane and lessen, mostly I 101 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: think because they were caught. After they were caught, they 102 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: found my computer and they put the whole thing together more. Mom, 103 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: it's ex wife lived right down the road from the restaurant. 104 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: There is a ruthless person on the loose. What unnerves 105 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: this community the most is the randomness of the murders, 106 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: ordinary people doing ordinary things. They killed the five people 107 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: in one day and then went on the rampage for 108 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the next month. It is quite a mystery. The police 109 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: say they have never had a crime quite like this. 110 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: Be careful, these guys are using weapons that are going 111 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to go right straight through our bulletproof vest. From my 112 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV, this is Monster d C Sniper. 113 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Following Mohammed and Melvo's arrest on October, investigators wondered whether 114 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: others were involved in planning the attacks, and they were 115 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: also trying to solve one of the biggest mysteries in 116 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: the case, what was the motivation? That question would become 117 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: increasingly important as they prepare for the upcoming trials. Mohammed 118 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: and Malvo had been brought to Montgomery County and interviewed. 119 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Mohammed initially talked, saying he was innocent, but then quickly 120 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: asked for his lawyer. Malvo refused to speak at all, 121 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: so investigators turned to evidence from the Blue Caprice forensics 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: from the Bushmaster they found in the car matched bullets 123 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: from the shootings. They found Larufa's laptop which led them 124 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: to his shooting, and they began retracing Mohammed and Malvo's 125 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: steps using other evidence they found in the car, like 126 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: receipts and phone cards, and investigators unraveled a whole new 127 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: string of crimes. They didn't have a car. They had 128 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: come across country by buses and hitchhiking. What they did 129 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: was they took the money that was in my bank bag. 130 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: They got about thirty six hundred dollars in cash, which 131 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: financed their whole operation. They went to Jersey and bought 132 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: the car from Clinton, Maryland. Mohammed and Malvo traveled up 133 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: to Trent and Jersey. D m V records showed that 134 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: on September two thousand two, John Mohammed paid two hundred 135 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: fifty dollars to purchase the blue Caprice from a dealership 136 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: called shore Shot Auto Sales. Reportedly, when Mohammed looked at 137 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: it in the lot, he asked the dealer to open 138 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the trunk and then climbed inside and there was a 139 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: strange incident the next day, on September eleven, two thou two, 140 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: the first anniversary of the terror attacks. While Mohammed registered 141 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: the car in Camden, the DMV building received a bomb threat. 142 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: Mohammed finished the registration just a few minutes before the 143 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: building was evacuated. It's still unclear if Mohammed or Malvo 144 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: were involved with the bomb thread or if it was 145 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: just a strange coincidence. After buying and registering the car 146 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, Mohammed and Malvo head itself. Prepaid phone 147 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: cards found in the caprice showed that by the next night, 148 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: September twelve, they were in the DC area outside a 149 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: Shopper's food warehouse in Alexandria, Virginia. They used one of 150 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: these phone cards to place a call to Antigua. Then, 151 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: two nights later, on September in Montgomery County, Maryland, a 152 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: liquor store employee, Repender Oberoi, was locking up the store 153 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: when he heard a loud crack. Oberoy was shot. I'm 154 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: calling again to report that someone that apparently has gotten 155 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: shot in the Hill and Dale shopping Center. By safe way. 156 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Three ambulances had passed right by. One is across the street. 157 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: I've said it each time, and other people are calling 158 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: to they're driving right by and this man has been 159 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: laid on the sidewalk. Ultimately, ober Roy survived the attack. 160 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: A witness nearby reported seeing an old car pull out 161 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: of a parking space and drive away. The witness told 162 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: police about it, but the officers were perplexed ober It 163 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: hadn't been robbed and didn't seem to have any enemies. 164 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: After arresting the snipers and retracing their movements, police now 165 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: suspect that the snipers had shot Oberoi. Investigators tried to 166 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: analyze bullet fragments from the crime, but the pieces weren't 167 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: large enough to make any comparisons, and without firearm forensics, 168 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: it was hard to prove. The very next night, on 169 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: September fift another attack took place at a liquor store, 170 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: this one in Prince George's County, just miles from Paul 171 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: Larufa's restaurant and Mildred Mohammed's home. It was raining as 172 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Mohammed Rashied locked up the store, he heard a loud 173 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: sound and saw two bullet holes appear in the glass 174 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: store in front of him. He turned and saw a 175 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: young man holding a pistol. The man fired a third shot, 176 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: and he felt a bullet enter his abdomen. Rashid realized 177 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: he was being robbed, so he made a split second 178 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: decision to drop down and play dead. Sheet says the 179 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: attacker rolled him over and rifled through his pockets. The 180 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: attacker grabbed his wallet and then walked away. Rashid waited 181 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: anxiously until he thought the man was gone. Then he 182 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: called nine one from his cell phone. Oh ma'am, I'm 183 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: buying for one piece that was there for somebody, so 184 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: fine to me. Have you been shut Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 185 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: my bunny stoma. One piece that was one body. Oh, 186 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna help you. Okay, you do shut you? No? 187 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: No liab okay, somebody there with you? Nobody okay, Okay, 188 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: Now I want to just sit down. I want to 189 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: take your shirt on and put it tightly into the 190 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: stomach where you were shot. Okay, I want the morning 191 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: with you. What's today day? I'm gonna stay in a line. 192 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: We got somebody going to you right now. Did somebody 193 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: rob you? Why are you? Who are you outside? Okay, 194 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna help you with your cell phone. Never hommed, 195 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm not the one going out. We've already got an 196 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: ambulance going to you. I'm here with you. Okay, Oh 197 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: letten me take deep breath and try to say as 198 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: quiet as you can't. Okay, I'm right here with you. 199 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go anywhere. Oh my Gogmed Mohammed 200 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: the person to shot you, white or black? I'm glad 201 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: that how old then something? And I need to put 202 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: the look at We're already coming to you. How old 203 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: is he? By? You're doing great? And what was he wearing? Mohammed? Like, 204 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: you can do it, We'll come assurance. I'm kind of 205 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: Buston's movie. Okay, great shirt and he had a gun? 206 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Why you haven't which way did he run? You were 207 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: behind the door. Okay? If I know they're coming to 208 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: you now, but it's staying. Did they get to Mohammed? 209 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: Rashid was treated and survived. Surgeons recovered the bullet from 210 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: his abdomen and gave it to police. Investigators tested the round. 211 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: It came back as being from the same pistol used 212 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: in the larofa shooting, the silver revolver that investigators would 213 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: later find in Alabama following the liquor store shooting there 214 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: on September eighth, three days after shooting Rashid. The snipers 215 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: used a phone card to make a call from outside 216 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: the Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia, the very same restaurant 217 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: where they would later shoot Jeffrey Hopper as he walked 218 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: through the parking lot with his wife. Then another three 219 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: days later, just after midnight on September twenty one, Malvo 220 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: and Mohammed were likely five hundred miles southwest and the 221 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: parking lot of a liquor store in Atlanta, Georgia. It 222 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: was twelve sixteen a m an. Inside were two employees, 223 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Mimi Tadisi, a million walled Amerium, both Ethiopian immigrants. The 224 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: store was closed, so they wondered why a car was 225 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: idling in the parking lot. Reportedly, Wallda Mariam wanted to 226 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: investigate to d C was worried and told him not 227 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: to go outside, but he did anyway. Seconds after wald 228 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Merriam walked outside, to d C heard three gun shots. 229 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: Wald de Merriam had been shot twice in the upper 230 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: back and once in the back of the head. He 231 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: died in the hospital. It's unclear if the bullets from 232 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: this shooting were ever analyzed forensically, not even Twenty four 233 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: hours later, Mohammed and Malvo were one hundred fifty miles 234 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: southwest in Montgomery, Alabama, robbing the ABC Liquor store, where 235 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: they shot and killed Claudine Parker and wounded Kelly Adams. 236 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: Two days after the Alabama shootings, phone card records and 237 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: receipts put the snipers in Mohammed's hometown, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. There, 238 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: at six forty pm, Hong M. Ballinger had just finished 239 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: closing up the beauty shop where she worked. Ballinger had 240 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: just reached her car when she was shot in the head. 241 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: She died almost instantly. Another employee who was also leaving, 242 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: saw a large, dark car pull out of a vacant 243 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: lot and pick up a black man who had grabbed 244 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Ballinger's purse. Police found a bullet fragment embedded and Ballinger's 245 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: side view mirror. It appeared to have come from a 246 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: two to three rifle, but the case went cold after 247 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: the sniper's arrest. Investigators reanalyze the bullet fragment from the 248 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: shooting and they matched it to the snipers Bushmaster rifle. 249 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Ballinger was a victim of the snipers, likely the last 250 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: one before the snipers returned to Maryland and began their 251 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: DC attacks. They'd likely killed three and injured four more 252 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: in a span of eighteen days, all before the spree 253 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: in d C even started. But why did the snipers 254 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: then switch from this pattern of parking lot robberies to 255 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: see me only random killings in d C. Although investigators 256 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: were learning more about the scope of the snipers attacks, 257 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: their motive still remained a mystery. The only people who 258 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: could really answer the question of why we're Lee Boyd 259 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Malvo and John Mohammed investigators needed one of them to 260 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: crack under questioning. Immediately after the sniper's arrest, a battle 261 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: began brewing in the DC area, with attorneys fighting over 262 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: where the snipers should be tried. On October two, just 263 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: the day after the snipers were arrested, Montgomery County Prosecutor 264 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: Doug Gansler held the news conference before he even learned 265 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Malbo's age or last name. The Montgomery County Police Department 266 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: will attain an arrest warrant for the arrest of John Muhammad, 267 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: aged forty one, and Lee Salvo, aged nineteen, for six 268 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: counts a first degree murder. The decision to charge these 269 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: cases in Montgomery County, Maryland, was reached after in depth 270 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: consultation with local, state, and federal law enforcement officials. Montgomery 271 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: County was the community most affected and most impacted by 272 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: the sniper shootings. The investigation began, ended, and was centered 273 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: here in Montgomery County. The Feds were furious, sources say, 274 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: as local prosecutor Doug Ganceler walked to the microphones late 275 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: today to announce that Montgomery County is fighting the first 276 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: charges in the sniper case. Federal prosecutors privately accused Canceler 277 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: of breaking in agreements not to file charges until the 278 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Feds decide if they want to take over the case. 279 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: In unusually harsh language. One federal official accused Canceler of 280 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: quotes exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. So how did 281 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: the sniper case cracked only yesterday up to now a 282 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: model of cooperation between Chief Moose, the FBI, and a 283 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: t F How did it unravel so fast with prosecutors 284 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: engaged in and unseemly fights over who gets the first 285 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: crack at convicting them. Two weeks later, on November seven, U. S. 286 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: Attorney General John Ashcroft announced where Malbo and Mohammed would 287 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: first be tried for twenty three days in October. Our 288 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: communities lived in fear. Innocent victims from Maryland, Virginia, the 289 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: District of Columbia, Alabama, and Louisiana have paid the ultimate price. 290 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: It is appropriate, it is imperative that the ultimate sanction 291 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: be available. I have instructed the U. S. Marshals Service 292 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: to transfer custody of John Alan Mohammed to Prince William County, Virginia. 293 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: I have also instructed the marshals to transfer custody of 294 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: a juvenile to Fairfax County, Virginia. Right after his arrest, 295 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: Mohammed had talked briefly with detectives, then clammed up and 296 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: asked for his lawyer. Now, with federal charges dropped and 297 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: stay charges pending, two new investigators took their turn at 298 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: trying to get Mohammed to talk. I want to take 299 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the handcuff, so to me. Okay, salad with tomatoes and 300 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: what else, Sir John Loup. We're not here to jam 301 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: you up anything like that, but certainly you know we 302 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: want to talk to him too. Beans or potatoes, beans 303 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: and russ and the partiular kind of potatoes. How you 304 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: want to picture or anything like I was telling you much, Mohammed. 305 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: I understand that you've talked to attorneys and that they've 306 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: told you not to say anything. There's been a lot 307 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: of people who said that this was meaningless and since us, 308 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: but it had me. I believe it had meaning to you, 309 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: and this may be your only tunity to tell your story. 310 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: Your lawyers are not going to put you on the stand, 311 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: because when your lawyer gets done asking any questions, they're 312 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: going to be subject across examination. They're not going to 313 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: put you on the stand. You need to say what 314 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: you can say, and ladies behalf now, John, aside from 315 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: his requests for food, John Mohammed just sat stone faced 316 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: in the interrogation room. Detectives knew that Mohammed and Lee 317 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: boyd novel weren't biologically related, but that he had often 318 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: introduced the lead to friends as his son, so the 319 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: detectives tried to use John's relationship with Lee to get 320 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: him to talk. I would assume that since y'all were 321 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: taken into customy did you not talk to him? And 322 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: I would imagine that's very difficult for you. He's a 323 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: long he's afraid, but as a father myself. I know 324 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: fame that must cause you also not being able to 325 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: reach him in his time and trouble when he needs 326 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: your love more than he needs anything else. So if 327 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: you don't do anything else here for yourself, do this 328 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: for your son. Tell us the truth, tell us what 329 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: the meaning is behind this. Let's do some damage control 330 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: here and in some way try and spare his life. 331 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: Did Lee pull the trigger? Did le do any of 332 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: the shootings? Now? I can tell you what Leaves gonna do, 333 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: just based on what I know about kids and what 334 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: I know about their love to their parents. To save 335 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: his own life, that boy's not gonna say it was 336 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: all my daddy, It wasn't me. You know that in 337 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: your heart there's only one person that has any hope 338 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: of saving his life, and that's going to be you, 339 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: because if you don't say anything, he's not going to 340 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: say anything at least and lose his life over this John. 341 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: They're going to make an assumption that made pull of 342 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: the trader. They'renvasing on the fact that that was a 343 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: small area back there, and that in all likelihood you 344 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: were driving. Being more mature, you would be able to 345 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: drive with more calm than Kimp All we want to 346 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: know is the truth. And I don't want to see 347 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old kid put it down namelessly. At seventeen, 348 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: he is not a man. He's a kid, and he's 349 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: afraid and he has alone, But the court's going to 350 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: treat him like a man. There was one person, seemingly, 351 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: and you know better than I do, because you know 352 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: he intimate details. There was one person who really seemed 353 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: to care about him. And here you are, and he's 354 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: not strong without you, and you know what he might do. 355 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: He might say I shot him out. He might say 356 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: by daddy drove, and I shot because I was the 357 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: smallest and I could sit back there. And what would 358 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: happen if he says that is he most assuredly will 359 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: be sentenced to death. But I can tell you something. 360 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: You can take the kid who's shot people and the 361 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: head or maybe he has watched people get shot for 362 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: no reason. You can take the kid and teach you 363 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: all of those tough, hard things, and he can do 364 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: it just like you wore. He can kill men, he 365 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: can cut the throats and not lose a wink of 366 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: sleep about it. But when it comes time to die, 367 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: when he's wounded on the battlefield. When the game is 368 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: over and he's facing death, he demonstrates loud and clear 369 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: that he's a boy play in a man's game. You 370 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: know why, John, because that's when they cry, and that's 371 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: when they call for the mamas for their daddy. When 372 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: he's in a man's prison, it's you he's gonna want. 373 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: When he lies on that wreck at night crying, it's 374 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: you he's going to think about. He played a man's game, 375 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: but he's a boy, and he's your boy that's gotten 376 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: to touch you in your heart. He wouldn't win his 377 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: mom or whoever his biological father was. He was with you. 378 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: And you know something, John, This is harsh, but this 379 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: is important. If you two are sentenced to death, I 380 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: pray to God that they execute you before they execute him, 381 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna take something, John, And they could be executed, 382 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: and you could receive a stake for whatever reason, and 383 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: then you would sit and pray and for the rest 384 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: of your life with him going on ahead of you. 385 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: And you know what, that might not be his man. 386 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: He's seventeen years old, him spending the rest of his 387 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: natural life in prison. After you've made your peace with God, 388 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: that could be the real hell for him. If you 389 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: love him the way I think you love him, if 390 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you love him the way I love my children, it 391 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: will tear your soul away from you. You will live 392 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: hell on Earth. Save his life if you don't do 393 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: anything else, do the right thing, fix this thing. If 394 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: you were on a sinken ship and there was one 395 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: life jacket, I have no doubt in my mind that 396 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: you would give it to late. You're on a sinking ship. 397 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: Now give that kid a life jacket. Give him an 398 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to save himself, because he's not going to do 399 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: it unless you give him permission to do it. Because 400 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: if it were me and now, I wouldn't do it 401 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: unless he gave me permission and forced me to take 402 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: that my jacket. You can force him to save hisself 403 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: and then saving him save herself from the potential of 404 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: hell on earth. Let's just John Mohammed refused to talk, 405 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: but one county to the north, in Fairfax, investigators were 406 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: having better luck with Malva. Malvo was brought to Fairfax 407 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: County Homicide at that point, which I was working with 408 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: on the Lenda Franklin case. My name is Brad Garrett 409 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: i'mber retired FBI agent currently a crime and terrorism analyst. 410 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: It certainly didn't have the flavor to me or many 411 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: others that this was some terrorist of it. Nobody was 412 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: taking credit. There didn't seem to be any significance to 413 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: the people that got shot. It seemed like they were 414 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: just in the raw place at the wrong time, mowing 415 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: their yard, pumping gas. So it was hard to sort 416 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: of imagine what the real motivation might be. You know, 417 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: many shootings can be attributed to revenge, which may not 418 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: actually be towards the people they are shooting. Some people 419 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: call it displaced violence. So is that going on here? 420 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: When Malvo was brought to Fairfax County Homicide, myself and 421 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: a homicide detective by the name of June Boyle interviewed 422 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: him roughly starting at four o'clock in the afternoon until 423 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: about midnight. Courts are closing at four. It really set 424 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: up nicely for them. My name is Tom Walsh, partner 425 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Petrovitch and Walsh. My name is Mark Petrovich, also a 426 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: partner at Petrovitch and Walsh. Tom and I were two 427 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: of the members of the team that represented Lee Malvo 428 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: in the DC sniper case. At the time in Maryland, 429 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: you wouldn't execute juveniles for the crimes they committed, but 430 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: you could in Virginia. So they took him out of 431 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: federal custody up in Maryland and transferred him over to 432 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: Fairfax County. In the course of transferring him over, he 433 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: did get an attorney appointed to him because he was 434 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: a juvenile. Was actually outside the building banging on the 435 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: doors trying to get in to meet with Lee before 436 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: the police interrogated him, but he wasn't allowed in and 437 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: the interrogation took place. They knew they were dealing with 438 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: a young kid that was indoctrinated. They were going to 439 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: be able to get him the spill of beans, and 440 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: they were going to take advantage of it. This is 441 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: FBI agent Brad Garrett again. June and I walk into 442 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: basically an office, but everything has been removed except a 443 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: desk and a couple of chairs. Malbo's smiling and it's 444 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: almost like he doesn't have a care in the world, 445 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, which told me that he felt like he's 446 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: in control, that he has all of the information and 447 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: he has the power to share it with us or not. 448 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: June said to his right, and I sat in front 449 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: of him. I don't like talking to people from an 450 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: angle because one of the keys and getting people to 451 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: talk is being able to get them to look at 452 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: you and communicate with you. Because despite the artificiality of 453 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: interviewing somebody that's potentially committed multiple murders, you still have 454 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: to develop a relationship with them. And so the first 455 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: thing you typically always ask people is how do they feel? 456 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: How much has they slept? Do they need anything, food, water, 457 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: something to drink, et cetera. So we started talking a 458 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: little bit about where he was raised and you know, 459 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: how did he end up in Antigua? And he gradually 460 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: gave us pieces of information, but not a lot. And 461 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: so I'm sort of racking my brain is too, how 462 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: can I really get him to talk about something that 463 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: he may care about or have an interest in. I'm 464 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: not sure what got me to this point, but I 465 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: started talking about movies. Two thousand two, there was a 466 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: movie that have been out for a while called The Matrix, 467 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: and I knew a lot of kids his age like 468 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: that movie. So I said, have you watched the movie 469 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: The Matrix? And up to this point he has not 470 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: made eye contact. He sort of looked over me or 471 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: around me, even though I was in front of him, 472 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and it was the first time he looked me in 473 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: the eyes, and I thought to myself, well, at least 474 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: I can maybe get him to connect with me at 475 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: this point. We'll see how far this goes. So we 476 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: started talking about the matrix and what the matrix meant. 477 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to know what it is? The matrix 478 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: is everywhere, It is all around us. It is the 479 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind 480 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: you from the truth. After that discussion, June and I 481 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: decided that we would sort of go, do you know 482 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: why you're here? We really like to talk to you 483 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: about these shootings. And so what he basically did was 484 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: he sort of just talked about pieces of information that 485 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: occurred at these Saints. Here are Melbo's lawyers, Mark Petrovitch 486 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: and Tom Walsh. They got him talking, he admitted to 487 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: some things, and then they read him as Miranda rights 488 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: with everything right. The Reggi rights, You're fine to talk 489 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: to us without an you still want to talk to us, 490 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: You don't mind talking to us. They can no longer 491 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: do that. It's now unconstitutional to conduct an interrogation that way. 492 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: But at the time, it wasn't. It's what they called 493 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: it legally, the cat out of the bag. And that 494 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: was kind of a point. What to do is to 495 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: get you talking and then after you say statements, they 496 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: read your rights and then they go back and confirm 497 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: what you said before. To now say oh, well you've 498 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: had your rights, and that he confirmed these things. You 499 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: would get you earlier that the gentleman that the nassas, 500 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm spright and used it. It wasn't illegal, and if 501 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: you could see me, I guess I would air quote 502 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: that the way it was conducted wasn't illegal. But had 503 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: Todd Pett had been able to get in, he would 504 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: of advised Lee not to speak and they would not 505 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: have gotten the interrogation. But there was none of that, 506 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: and the statement came out it was It was damning. 507 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: The audio from the interview can be difficult to understand, 508 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: and throughout it Malbo laughed, made sound effects and responded 509 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: to questions with short, abrupt answers. You were all playing 510 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of year time, so you knew each start 511 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: you were going to hit in the gund of gun 512 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: that first day, slight in the morning, that was longbore 513 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: Son down. You say people will value you go up 514 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: in the bushes. He become a part of the bushes. 515 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: He caught in grass and then become a part of grass. 516 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: Fifty yard fense. Uh, I'm over in two seconds after 517 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: you shoot, you run the cargover fence. How can you 518 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: run with the gunman? Now? So easy to break down 519 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: because you have shot and broke it down right after shooting, 520 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 1: and you know we sees you and then we put 521 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: it in the bag or pull in the bag. All right, 522 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: can welcome you out of my hand? It's this deception. Yeah, 523 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: snipers a doin their weapons. This is what keeps me alive. 524 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: It's one man going out in facing army. Did you 525 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: see the trooper? I told you I'm goin a shot 526 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: the trooper. Why wouldn't because it wasn't a kisy And 527 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: you're going to keep carrying until you got the money, 528 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: until you listen to but at some point you know 529 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: that we have to give you the ten million O. Yes, 530 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: you could try to catch me until you mean that 531 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: shooting all these people was gonna affect the calling me 532 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: and let move at the same Chamelion. It's all planet. 533 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: You have to fit something, You have to fit the environment, 534 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: and you have to fictality live which is money and 535 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: you flick that this is all he's asking for and 536 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: get it, give it talk. But did you tie it's 537 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: manner whether it was male, female or you know nature, 538 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: nobody just to look get into that sidekick who was 539 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: just going out there shooting deep. I can't feel bad 540 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: about any certain one. You don't know if you have 541 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: to do when you do the same thing. Huh yeah. 542 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: If we didn't, they have caught you get still redoing it. 543 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: We had your resources to keep going. You did when 544 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: we need in cash money you plan for war before war? 545 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Was it your money or John Burney was all the 546 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,720 Speaker 1: money and working be seated? This unity does not hate. 547 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: That's dancing is a failure. Everyone has to be online 548 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: pop and there's something that you well that's something like business. 549 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: I think do you think them nothing? It doesn't him Okay, shocking, 550 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: it's just the last two minutes five two minutes he did. 551 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: So we went through that. It got some pretty incriminating information. 552 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: He did not give us all of the crimes that 553 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: they committed, which you know clearly involved crimes and Louisiana 554 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and some other jurisdictions that we ultimately put together. But 555 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, we felt like that we at least had 556 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: success because he got him to talk. Malvo didn't tell 557 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: investigators about all of the shootings leading up to this 558 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: bri in DC, but of the shootings they discussed, he 559 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: said that he had been the gunmen for all of 560 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,959 Speaker 1: them and that Mohammed hadn't shot anyone. Here's Malvo's lawyer, 561 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: Tom Walsh. Again. He still brainwash at that time, so 562 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: he was taking blame for all the shootings. He was 563 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: basically trying to take everything on as a juvenile and 564 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: save his leader, Mohammed. He was clearly protective of Mohammed, 565 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: was trying to implicate Mohammed in a very minimal fashion, 566 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: so you could tell that there was some sort of 567 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: close bond between the two of them. At the end 568 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: of this interview, I said, what was the motivation? Why 569 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: did you guys do this? And he looked at me 570 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: and he says, well, it's all about the matrix. Two 571 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: understand mother Max, And I said, well, what does that mean? Answering, 572 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that doesn't mean anything unless I know, what 573 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: do you think the matrix the movie means that he 574 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: just smiled part of Mohammed's indoctrination was to decessitize lee 575 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: to violence two shootings, to the consequences of what happened 576 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: The Matrix and things of that nature were part of 577 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: the indoctrination and as a factors that needed to be explored. 578 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: What did Malvo mean when he said that the explanation 579 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: for the shootings could be found in the movie The Matrix? 580 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: Investigators wondered if Mohammed had been radicalized and was committing 581 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: an act of terror out of hatred for America. And 582 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: then there was the demand for ten million dollars to 583 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: be deposited on a bankard. Could it really all be 584 00:38:42,480 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: about money? A day after Malvo's interview with police, the 585 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: Washington Post published an interview with John Mohammed's ex wife, Mildred. 586 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: She had her own theory about John's motivation for the crimes. 587 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: Do you know why he came to the area. He 588 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: went to a father's rights group, told them I kidnapped 589 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: the children. They did a skip trace on me, found 590 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: me in the DC area and told him. He went 591 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,240 Speaker 1: to his best friend Robert. He said, I found Mildred. 592 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: She's in d C. I'm gonna go get her. His 593 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: best friend asked them, are you going to hurt her? 594 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: He didn't say anything. The theory was he was killing 595 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: innocent people to cover up my murder so he could 596 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: come in as the grieving father, get custody of the children, 597 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: and drive away. They probably would have named him Father 598 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: of the Year for coming to get the children and 599 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: raising them himself. That best friend called the FBI and said, 600 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about your case, but you may 601 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: want to look at John Ali Mohammed. His ex wife 602 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: is in the area and he may be there to 603 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: hurt her. And I talked to Robert. I said, I 604 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 1: am calling you to thank you for saving my life. 605 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: Say Mildred, let me tell you something, girl, John came 606 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: there to kill you. I had to make a decision 607 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: to call and report him or watch your name scroll 608 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: under the TV that you've been killed. Say Mildred. I 609 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: would pay anything to have a beer with John right now. 610 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: That's my boy. But I had to call him. He said, So, 611 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: don't get this twisted. Don't believe that ten million dollar madness. 612 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: He came there to kill you. Don't ever get it twisted. 613 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 1: Mildred Mohammed thinks the random string of shootings was designed 614 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: to disguise her murder. If John had just killed her, 615 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: he would be the primary suspect, But if it looked 616 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: like she was just another random sniper victim, maybe he 617 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it. Mildred says that even 618 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: though that plan sounds crazy, it's the sort of crazy 619 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: plan that John would have come up with. After all, 620 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: this was the same John who was ready to run 621 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: away with Lindberg, his son from his earlier marriage, the 622 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: same John who kidnapped his kids from Mildred and took 623 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: them all the way to antique it. Washington Post reporter 624 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: Josh White says, while it's hard to ever definitively know 625 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: the motivation for a crime, Mildred's theory makes sense. Mildred 626 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: has talked about how she believed she was the target, 627 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: and I think that's plausible. All of those shootings create 628 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: panic and get police occupied, and that it would have 629 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: been very hard to connect her shooting to anything else, 630 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: just like it was very hard to connect any of 631 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: these other people together. It would have gotten him custody 632 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: of the children, It would have gotten the problem he 633 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: saw out of the way, but that didn't happen. Malvo 634 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: has said that they parked outside where she was living. 635 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: October eleven, my coworker picked me up for work. She said, 636 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a dark colored Caprisa and Pala outside 637 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: your door, and I just get a bad feeling from 638 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: that car. So girl, don't worry about let's just go 639 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: to work. So we passed by the car. The driver 640 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: looks at us, but the passenger has a newspaper and 641 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: he puts it up to cover his face. And I said, 642 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: did you see that? She said, yeah, I did. I said, 643 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: give me your phone, let me call the police. So 644 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: I called the police. They said, okay, we'll send someone 645 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: out there. Later they told me John sent Lee to 646 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 1: your door pretending to be a salesperson, and his instructions 647 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: were when you opened the door to shoot you in 648 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: the face, ms Mohammed. You opened the door, and for 649 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: whatever reason, he walked away. We don't know the repercussions 650 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: he suffered because he didn't kill you that day. Next 651 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: time on Monster DC Sniper, you know, it's hard enough 652 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: work in one murder to have these thirteen shootings just 653 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: in our area, let alone what else went around the country. 654 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: We knew it was going to be a monumental task. 655 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,720 Speaker 1: Part of Mohammed's indoctrination was to decessitize lee to violence 656 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: to shootings. There's no amount of psychological coercion that would 657 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: force somebody to, let's say, kill, if they didn't already 658 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: had some kind of predisposition. I remember feeling just basically 659 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: shock and disbelief that he could have done this. He 660 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: just looks so innocent, how shocking. One of the most 661 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: alarming moments was when Mohammed stood to represent himself. We 662 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: had never heard from Mohammed at that point talk about 663 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: weird events in your life. I was being questioned by 664 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: the guy who tried to kill me. Monster DC Sniper 665 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: is a fifteen episode podcast hosted by Tony Harris and 666 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: produced by iHeart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. Matt Frederick and 667 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: Alex Williams are executive producers on behalf of I Heart Radio, 668 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: alongside producers Trevor Young, Ben Kiebrick, and Josh Thain. Payne 669 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Donald Albright are executive producers on behalf of 670 00:44:54,600 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV alongside producers Meredith Steadman and Christina Dana. Original 671 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: music is by Makeup and Vanity Set. If you haven't 672 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,720 Speaker 1: already be sure to check out the first two seasons 673 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: at Lanta Monster and Monster the Zodiac Killer. If you 674 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: have questions or comments, email us at monster at iHeartMedia 675 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: dot com, or you can call us at one eight 676 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: three three two eight five six six six seven. Thanks 677 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: for listening.