Speaker 1: It's time for the b a q e A to
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Speaker 2: It'd be a que'd be a cute to be a
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Speaker 3: Oh damn, I was too early.
Speaker 1: That's okay, Hey, Mandra, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm too it okay. My blowout is fighting for its life.
Speaker 1: Your hair is getting sid lot.
Speaker 3: The humidity is humiditying. I'm excited for b a q A.
Speaker 3: It's career day.
Speaker 2: It is career Oh we got called that is it?
Speaker 3: Is it career day? Yes, so get your your business
Speaker 3: casual and your card stock for your resume printouts and
Speaker 3: come on down.
Speaker 2: So I'll basically be reading the questions. So I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: not in black yass queen, answer these questions. All right?
Speaker 1: You ready for the first one.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Yeah, let's go all right.
Speaker 1: This one we're gonna call her man man.
Speaker 2: I want more because I don't know you didn't even
Speaker 2: us a name, so I want.
Speaker 1: More, says Mandy Tiffany.
Speaker 3: Help.
Speaker 1: Literally, she has like a lot of peace.
Speaker 2: First off, I love the podcast and started all the
Speaker 2: way at the beginning, but I'm only in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two now and I'm OCD about going in order. Okay,
Speaker 2: I love that for you. Oh well, she might even
Speaker 2: hear this job by the time you get here. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a year anyway.
Speaker 3: Two years, she's in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I currently work at a tech company who just announced layoffs,
Speaker 2: like so many of them have. In the midst of this,
Speaker 2: I've been offered a new position within the same company,
Speaker 2: but the base is a little lower than I was
Speaker 2: hoping for. It's eighteen K and a bonus that's two
Speaker 2: percent more than what I'm currently making. As well as
Speaker 2: being a vertical move, so thousands what they're offering her, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be she she like, probably missed a word. It's
Speaker 3: eighteen k more.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's my assuming, and that's.
Speaker 3: Two percent more than what I'm currently making especials being
Speaker 3: a vertical move Okay, vertical is good.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I was more than ready to negotiate my salary with
Speaker 2: Mandy scripts in my back pocket. Yes, Mandy has those
Speaker 2: awesome scripts for negotiating. But now with huge with a
Speaker 2: huge amount of layoffs, I'm wondering if I should just
Speaker 2: be happy with what they're offering or still ask for more.
Speaker 2: For reference, I'm thinking about asking for twenty k more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is more than what they're offering. Oh, she's thinking
Speaker 2: about asking for twenty k more. M Hey, ba fan,
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Okay, we went to offer ooh child, that's a big
Speaker 1: jumb I'll be but I don't know what what say you,
Speaker 1: Mandy Guru Lady?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I think that you have to really know,
Speaker 3: you have to know how valuable you are going into
Speaker 3: a conversation like this, because the thing is like layoffs,
Speaker 3: budget cuts, they're all indications that the company is scaling back.
Speaker 3: But at a certain level, there's always money to invest
Speaker 3: where they want to invest. You know, So if you're
Speaker 3: in a for example, if this, if this opportunity, this
Speaker 3: new role at the company is in a real hot
Speaker 3: growing like they are investing a lot into this arm
Speaker 3: of the company, I think that you should use that
Speaker 3: as an indication of Okay, the skills that like, the
Speaker 3: reason they're wanting to be on this team is because
Speaker 3: they're investing in a lot. They really want me. I
Speaker 3: come to the table. I'm bringing a lot here, So
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, you should definitely negotiate even though
Speaker 3: there's other parts of the company that are contracting and
Speaker 3: that they're having layoffs. As far as like how much
Speaker 3: more to ask? I mean, you can ask for anything
Speaker 3: you want, you know, when it comes at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, you really can. But are you basing
Speaker 3: it on like your market value currently? And I would
Speaker 3: ask sort of what your sources are for your current
Speaker 3: market value. It's really good to always be taking interviews
Speaker 3: and looking at job postings for similar roles at and
Speaker 3: this is important similar sized companies in the same industry,
Speaker 3: not just looking at you know, people with your job title,
Speaker 3: but are they working, like are these jobs at companies
Speaker 3: that are similar to yours? And that's a good and
Speaker 3: that's a good way to start to understand like what
Speaker 3: your market value is. And if you've done all that
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, for sure, I'm worth twenty k more,
Speaker 3: then you can bring that, you know, justification to the
Speaker 3: negotiation table. And even better bargaining chip is always having
Speaker 3: a competing offer. You may not have that, but I
Speaker 3: would say I would add to that just when you
Speaker 3: are negotiating for a role internally at your company, you're
Speaker 3: always going to lack less. You're always going to lack
Speaker 3: leverage compared to someone who's negotiating from outside the company,
Speaker 3: because your company can see everything about you, and they
Speaker 3: know it's a twenty k jump, and they know how
Speaker 3: many years you've been there, and they have more excuses
Speaker 3: they can trot out to not pay you that extra
Speaker 3: well you know you have. They'll come up with like
Speaker 3: the oh, it's been three and a half years, but
Speaker 3: you know your last raise was just in January, so
Speaker 3: we don't want to get people raises this close back together.
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of like justifications, so I'd be ready
Speaker 3: for some of that. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you should always know your market value and feel confident
Speaker 3: in asking for it. Other things to negotiate beyond your
Speaker 3: base salary. You said your bonus is two percent more,
Speaker 3: You could yeah, I mean you could ask for well,
Speaker 3: they probably won't give it to you at this stage,
Speaker 3: but could ask for a higher percentage of your target bonus.
Speaker 3: Not likely to get a signing bonus when you're internal
Speaker 3: to the company. I mean you they got you like
Speaker 3: you already work there, they know that, so there's a
Speaker 3: little less. There's a little less like fire under their
Speaker 3: butts to like, is that a phrase? I just made
Speaker 3: it up for them to negotiate with you?
Speaker 2: And can she ask for things like sick days or
Speaker 2: vacation days?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I find that now companies, well a
Speaker 3: lot of companies do unlimited PTO now, so it's not
Speaker 3: you know, the whole sick day things, vacation days, especially
Speaker 3: in tech. I don't know if those are you know,
Speaker 3: that big of a like that common anymore. It's really
Speaker 3: the compensation. Oh but equity though, So if you work
Speaker 3: at a tech company, they may with this promotion give
Speaker 3: you a bigger batch of equity, so you could definitely
Speaker 3: ask for that. Companies love giving equity because it's not
Speaker 3: real money to them, right, but it looks good on paper.
Speaker 3: We're gonna give you ten thousand dollars worth of our stock.
Speaker 3: Good luck because by the time you can actually it's
Speaker 3: vested and you can do something with it, it may
Speaker 3: not be worth ten thousand, but it looks good on paper.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I hope that you listen to this not
Speaker 3: in like, I hope you go out of order to
Speaker 3: listen to this episode. Also, Wow, that's a that's dedication
Speaker 3: to go all the way back, so you don't even
Speaker 3: know who we are today because so much changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, well no, because she says she's
Speaker 2: up to twenty twenty two, So I mean.
Speaker 3: Who was I in twenty twenty two. I didn't have
Speaker 3: a second baby yet.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the baby wasn't born yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just coming outside after the I don't know,
Speaker 3: but hello to our past selves and to you. Thanks
Speaker 3: for listening. Yeah, tell our pastself. It does get better,
Speaker 3: It does get better. Yes, all right, let's oh, let's
Speaker 3: take a quick break though, breaky break, and we'll come
Speaker 3: back for b a Q and A number two.
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Speaker 2: so second question, I'm gonna read this too because like
Speaker 2: it's hard for me. I have not had a traditional
Speaker 2: career in like fifteen years. Even when I did, I've
Speaker 2: only ever had one quote unquote real job. I graduated
Speaker 2: college and then I taught preschool and then I became Badjasa.
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Speaker 2: I can certainly do career stuff from a sometimes from
Speaker 2: a boss perspective, yah, but I just lean into them
Speaker 2: to the manager of it all.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So that's whenever you read these like, dang, when the
Speaker 3: budget needs to team asked me for this. They're listening
Speaker 3: to Mandy. She's causing me problem now.
Speaker 1: Please they're there are No, it's funny.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I love it when the team is like, so, according
Speaker 2: to what you said on the podcast, some of that,
Speaker 2: and I been like, you know what, and I tell
Speaker 2: them I'm really proud of you for leaning in. And
Speaker 2: I honestly there's been times when my team has reached
Speaker 2: out and asked for more and I've been able to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I never thought about that, let's do that.
Speaker 2: And there's been times when I've been able to say,
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you for asking and here are
Speaker 2: the numbers. And although I can't do this, can we
Speaker 2: try this instead? So I don't get mad at But
Speaker 2: that's the point of this. I want good for everyone.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wish four people were like you, thank you.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna call this. Hope I'm not ghosted. Okay,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not ghosted.
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, ladies, I love brand ambition and I'm
Speaker 2: so happy to have found this podcast. I'm in the
Speaker 2: running for a dream role that fits me perfectly. They
Speaker 2: told me that out of two hundred and fifty applicants,
Speaker 2: I made it to the top five and everything went
Speaker 2: very well in my finer interviews. The recruiter told me
Speaker 2: they'd let me know something asap, and unfortunately I haven't
Speaker 2: heard anything. I reached out with a thoughtful follow up email,
Speaker 2: and even though I got a response, Oh, even though
Speaker 2: I got a response, I still haven't gotten a yes
Speaker 2: or no.
Speaker 1: It's been three weeks, and now I'm very annoyed. Should
Speaker 1: I reach out to follow.
Speaker 2: Up again or just take the l and assume I'm ghosted?
Speaker 1: Oh ya, what would you tell? I? Hope I'm not ghosted?
Speaker 3: Oh ghosted? You've been ghosted? And you know, I could
Speaker 3: try to justify it. I always try to like put
Speaker 3: myself in the shoes of the person, like what's happening
Speaker 3: in the seasons, and like it's spring break, like maybe
Speaker 3: there was some lulls and vacation times. I understand how
Speaker 3: it can be when you need like your final interviews
Speaker 3: to happen and you need to like wrangle the higher
Speaker 3: like the managers and stuff, the multiple people who so
Speaker 3: and so's going on a vacation, so and so's got
Speaker 3: spring break whatever. Three weeks though, it's really if it's not,
Speaker 3: if you haven't fully been ghosted, I would still use
Speaker 3: I would still see this as a big red flag
Speaker 3: for the way that they treat candidates, and companies need
Speaker 3: to do better when it comes to the recruiting process,
Speaker 3: Like you genuinely can kill your reputation and people's desire
Speaker 3: to work for you based on how you treat your job.
Speaker 3: Candidates and good companies do understand that, and so they
Speaker 3: don't let this kind of thing happen. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: sounds like you've been ghosted or they're hedging their bets.
Speaker 3: The thing is you were You were the one of
Speaker 3: five top candidates. That's a lot of candidates, So I
Speaker 3: would say it's pretty clear that you were not their
Speaker 3: first choice, and they probably extended an offer to one
Speaker 3: of the other five, and they may be an active
Speaker 3: negotiations for that that candidate. That candidate may have not
Speaker 3: been happy with whatever they came through and they dropped
Speaker 3: out and then they went to their number two. So
Speaker 3: I feel like, if anything, maybe you were like the third.
Speaker 3: You know, you're not number one. That's the reality of
Speaker 3: the situation, because they would have already come back to
Speaker 3: you I believe is there a world in which they
Speaker 3: had to press pause on the whole thing and nobody
Speaker 3: got an offer? Yeah? But again, red Flag, why are
Speaker 3: they dysfunctional like that? And why are they not following through?
Speaker 3: It's been three weeks. I'm sorry. I wouldn't like I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't plan your life around this job. I would
Speaker 3: keep looking and don't. I mean, you got through the
Speaker 3: final round and that's great and all of that. I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry that this happened to you.
Speaker 1: It sucks. It maybe said girl you was ghosted.
Speaker 3: You were, and I mean it suck. I mean it's
Speaker 3: really unprofessional of them, and it's just I mean, you
Speaker 3: have to you can't think of candidates as not human,
Speaker 3: like they're human beings. Recruiters are human beings too. But
Speaker 3: you know how it would feel if you put you
Speaker 3: put yourself on the line and then you didn't hear
Speaker 3: back three weeks. That's a that's a that's just cruel.
Speaker 3: It's me. You know, it's at worst, it's cruel and
Speaker 3: at best it's inconsiderate. Right, So I'm really really sorry
Speaker 3: ghosted that you got ghosted. If you wanted to, you
Speaker 3: could follow up. I hate that you would even have to,
Speaker 3: but it may not. If you really want the job,
Speaker 3: it may It won't hurt you. I don't think to
Speaker 3: just follow up and remind them that you're there and
Speaker 3: you're still interested. They may be, like I said, in
Speaker 3: active negotiation with one or two other candidates and just
Speaker 3: wait for something to sort of work out. This is
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why they have a top five,
Speaker 3: because you may not get your top choice, and it
Speaker 3: is a competitive job market right now. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: all I got.
Speaker 2: What I don't know, it's just man, it's like what
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you just gotta pack your and and.
Speaker 3: To let my my inner feelings get in the way
Speaker 3: of my advice. Am I like being a Debbie downer?
Speaker 3: But to a radical candor, you know.
Speaker 2: It is that's what that's what it is that I'm
Speaker 2: laughing at your radical candor where you're just like, oh yeah, girl,
Speaker 2: that is what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're even excited to be told I'm top five.
Speaker 3: I want to be like top two. You know. Top
Speaker 3: five is like okay, so I'm like your backup, backup,
Speaker 3: back up. Because they don't tell you anybody else their
Speaker 3: top They totally tell number five you're the top five.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Number one and number two here's the
Speaker 3: number one and number two. If you're top five, you're
Speaker 3: probably the fifth. Okay, okay, is that mean? But it's true?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, But it's good to know because you're right
Speaker 2: if you're number because I wouldn't want I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: my number one or number two to feel like they
Speaker 2: were top five. I would want them to know. At
Speaker 2: the top of my limb precisely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I have been told I was top five,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, no, no, no, no, in my top
Speaker 3: one or two, like let's get it, let's come through
Speaker 3: the bs.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know what though, if you if you got
Speaker 2: that far am I ghosted, that means you sound pretty
Speaker 2: excellent and that there will be something that'll be the
Speaker 2: right fit. I remember this is I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily apply to the jobs, but I remember when I
Speaker 2: was looking for homes and nothing seemed to be working out,
Speaker 2: and I remember Diane, I'll never forget who was my
Speaker 2: real turtht of time. She said, when you find the
Speaker 2: right home, you'll understand why the other ones didn't work out.
Speaker 2: You know, and I was like, whatever, Diane, you're freaking.
Speaker 2: But then she was right, because when I found the
Speaker 2: right home, I was like, oh my god, thank god
Speaker 2: the other one didn't work out, because this is the
Speaker 2: perfect home, you know, But at the time, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to hear it so well.
Speaker 3: For me, it was like, when you find the perfect home,
Speaker 3: you're going to think it's the perfect home, but really
Speaker 3: it's not the perfect home. For more than two years,
Speaker 3: it'll be stuck there.
Speaker 1: Is that they.
Speaker 3: That's easy. Listen, you shop with the perspective of a
Speaker 3: New Yorker who's been living in shoe box apartments for
Speaker 3: seven years, it's very different.
Speaker 2: Well, you see that gap and gain, right, and if
Speaker 2: we talked about that in the yeah, and if you
Speaker 2: didn't listen to that past episode, the episode on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: we talked about the gap and the game at the end,
Speaker 2: and it's like, if you look at it from the
Speaker 2: game perspective, you're right, it's like, oh my gosh, from
Speaker 2: where we lived before, this is tremendously huge, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Versus like, oh my gosh. You know, yes, you know.
Speaker 2: It's hard though, because you want the inspiration of like
Speaker 2: having a bigger place, but also the gratitude of you've
Speaker 2: come a long way, baby.
Speaker 3: And just you know, more bathrooms will be more toilets
Speaker 3: to clean.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, especially with two boys, you
Speaker 1: know they're missing.
Speaker 3: I don't want a bigger house until I can afford
Speaker 3: the team I would need to support me living in
Speaker 3: that house, you know what I mean. Like it's gonna
Speaker 3: be expensive. I need like twice a week cleaners. These
Speaker 3: boys are messy. I'm messy. None of us likes cleaning.
Speaker 3: I am not a good wife. I'm not a good
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Speaker 3: I mean a trad wife. Anybody looking to be a
Speaker 3: professional trad wife. Just a romantic relationship. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: need I don't need a house cleaner who comes once
Speaker 3: a week. I need someone who's here day to day
Speaker 3: to put the shoes back in the cubby holes, you know,
Speaker 3: and to wipe up the mess as we go because
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