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Speaker 1: More, says Mandy Tiffany.

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Speaker 3: It's been three weeks. I'm sorry. I wouldn't like I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: It sucks. It maybe said girl you was ghosted.

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Speaker 2: But you know what though, if you if you got

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Speaker 2: It's hard though, because you want the inspiration of like

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Speaker 3: And just you know, more bathrooms will be more toilets

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Speaker 3: I don't want a bigger house until I can afford

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