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Speaker 6: have two of the best in the Dallas media scene
Speaker 6: filling in on this bye week. Pleasure to welcome in
Speaker 6: back on the Talking Cowboys team for the first time
Speaker 6: and quite some time, but glad to always have him back,
Speaker 6: the one the only Brian brought us the Scouts, I himself, Brian,
Speaker 6: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much, Kyle, and very good to be
Speaker 7: with you guys. We have got a lot of former safety.
Speaker 3: Barry Church here, certain this is true, a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of enthusiasm. I like this.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Derek is usually very kind of low key
Speaker 7: and then boy, you just kind of just gonna jump
Speaker 7: right in there.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 6: See, here's the thing there was There was once a
Speaker 6: wise man who his name is David Hellman.
Speaker 3: He David Hillman.
Speaker 6: He told me one of my best traits is my
Speaker 6: big booming radio voice. There you go, and he said,
Speaker 6: use it. I was like, all right, it sounds good,
Speaker 6: so I'll use it.
Speaker 3: Dave knows what he's talking about. Oh yeah, he definitely does.
Speaker 3: But good to have you boys back.
Speaker 6: Of course, I've gotten the pleasure and opportunity to do
Speaker 6: the Draft show with you since twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: I've been on pregame.
Speaker 6: Shows and postgame coverage with Barry Church since twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: So we're all very accustomed to being around each other,
Speaker 6: and in a time like this, I think this is
Speaker 6: important that Cowboys fans are around each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and are together because it was rough on Sunday.
Speaker 6: Hey, gentlemen, and I want to start things off by
Speaker 6: getting your opinion on scouts eye and former players. I
Speaker 6: want to go through for those who may not have
Speaker 6: heard you on the break and on Players Lounge yesterday,
Speaker 6: I want to hear your opinion about what happened in
Speaker 6: the forty seven and nine beat down the Detroit Lions
Speaker 6: handed you on Sunday.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's a couple of different ways that
Speaker 7: you can start. You were going to be shorthanded in
Speaker 7: this game defensively, so you had to kind of find
Speaker 7: a game plan maybe offensively that can tailor in a
Speaker 7: tailored in a way that you could kind of try
Speaker 7: and score along with him and hope for the best
Speaker 7: that maybe you get a stop, maybe you get a
Speaker 7: golf mistake, maybe you know, something happens, you get a return,
Speaker 7: a kickoff return, upont return, something like that to kind
Speaker 7: of keep you in that football game. But when you
Speaker 7: couldn't move the ball offensively or really establish anything. You know,
Speaker 7: you don't run the ball well enough. That's no secret.
Speaker 7: You know, you kind of win a different little bit
Speaker 7: of an angle the way you tried to run the ball.
Speaker 7: And when you did try to run the ball, the
Speaker 7: Lions did a pretty good job of shutting you down
Speaker 7: that way. So now it became in turn into a
Speaker 7: throwing game, and that's kind of where I felt like
Speaker 7: it was going to be. You know, if you were
Speaker 7: able to handle if you were able to handle Aiden Hutchinson,
Speaker 7: their first four games they had not really nobody else
Speaker 7: had really got any pressure. And so now you're in
Speaker 7: a situation where you're thinking, okay, handle Aiden Hutchinson. You
Speaker 7: look in the game that you know Christy scalees in
Speaker 7: our pregame show on one O five three, the fan says, oh,
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith start a left tackle today. Ah, okay, here
Speaker 7: we go. Now we're going to take care of that side.
Speaker 7: When Aiden Hutchinson goes.
Speaker 3: Over to the other side, we got that squared up.
Speaker 3: Now we've got to figure out how to block the
Speaker 3: other side.
Speaker 7: And what we didn't account for in that game was
Speaker 7: that Zach Martin struggled and then Steele also struggled as
Speaker 7: well in that game, and then your quarterback, you know,
Speaker 7: you got a little banged up in the game with
Speaker 7: the hand. There were some poor throws, there were some
Speaker 7: turnovers unfortunately, and you just really couldn't generate anything enough,
Speaker 7: and you know it was going to be difficult even
Speaker 7: at full strength. I believe this defense would have had
Speaker 7: a struggle stop Detroit's offense. You're the only chance you
Speaker 7: had in this game, in my opinion, was if you
Speaker 7: turned it into a shootout and Dallas never could make
Speaker 7: it a shootout game, and now I think that's really
Speaker 7: where this scene came down to.
Speaker 3: It's just a difficult cover.
Speaker 7: It's a difficult It's difficult when you don't have a
Speaker 7: whole lot of confidence playing run defense. This team presents
Speaker 7: a lot of problems with their their scheme, their run,
Speaker 7: the way they throw the ball, the in cut routes.
Speaker 7: It's a and heck, you know, give them credit, they
Speaker 7: hadn't really shown all year about throwing a vertical ball.
Speaker 3: Hit two of money.
Speaker 7: So that that kind of a lot of things that
Speaker 7: I just went through. But that's kind of where going
Speaker 7: into it. And then as the game unfolded, it showed
Speaker 7: up even more as you as you started to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from you know, my perspective, and I think broadest
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right when you look at it, this
Speaker 1: team got handled in the trenches. You know, it got
Speaker 1: handled in the trenches. That's where it started. And to me,
Speaker 1: like what you just said, even if they were at
Speaker 1: full strength, you had a Parsons, you had a d Law.
Speaker 1: They're going against Detroit, who has arguably the best offensive
Speaker 1: line in the National Football League. I mean, they have
Speaker 1: a great mix of young and upcoming guys that are
Speaker 1: just about to hit their prime, as well as a
Speaker 1: group of veteran guys who've seen pretty much every defense
Speaker 1: out there. So they're playing as a unit out there
Speaker 1: protecting golf and as well being able to run the football.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't hurt that they have, you know, that
Speaker 1: monstrous duo in the backfield with.
Speaker 3: Montgomery and Gibbs.
Speaker 1: But when I looked at this game, I mean, the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, as soon as the ball was snapped, rundowns,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, it just changed. I mean
Speaker 1: there was no penetration, there was no you know, getting
Speaker 1: in the backfield causing chaos. Detroit was able to pretty
Speaker 1: much do what they wanted to do offensively, and then
Speaker 1: you started to see guys in the secondary press to
Speaker 1: make plays. One of the pressing players I want to
Speaker 1: talk about was, you know what is he went to
Speaker 1: jump jam.
Speaker 3: On John Jamison Williams.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the fastest guys in the National
Speaker 1: Football League.
Speaker 3: You missed there. There's no way you're coming back. It's
Speaker 3: over with.
Speaker 1: So you started seeing guys press a little bit out
Speaker 1: there defensively, and it just kind of snowballed from there.
Speaker 1: But because if you don't win in the trenches. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a guy I played this league, you you starts
Speaker 1: up front, and if you're not able to win up front,
Speaker 1: it puts a lot of stress on the back end.
Speaker 1: And right now, not a fully fully strength or whatever
Speaker 1: full strength the secondary is right now, they struggled a
Speaker 1: little bit out there, So to me, the trenches were
Speaker 1: one both sides of the football by Detroit, like you
Speaker 1: just mentioned, still struggled a little bit. Zach Martin, you know, surprisingly, yeah,
Speaker 1: struggled a lot in this game as well. But when
Speaker 1: you look at Golf and how comfortable he was back there,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those quarterbacks that you got
Speaker 1: a roughfull his feathers a little bit, you got them
Speaker 1: get them seeing goes back there getting happy feet, and
Speaker 1: they weren't able to do that. I mean, he completed
Speaker 1: one more pass than Dak Prescott, but we had almost
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards more. Right So, those that
Speaker 1: tells me there's a lot of explosive plays going on
Speaker 1: out there, and that's what this defense can't give up.
Speaker 1: You got to make them work the entire length of
Speaker 1: the field. You can't give up a lot of explosives
Speaker 1: and has what happened defensively and then offensively as we
Speaker 1: saw that that connection just wasn't there between the passing
Speaker 1: game or the run game, because I believe offensively you
Speaker 1: gotta be balanced. You gotta be balanced in this game,
Speaker 1: and they weren't doing that as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one thing that Brian said, they're the kind of
Speaker 6: stuck out to me. You said, golf mistakes. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 6: you were kind of hoping for a couple of golf mistakes.
Speaker 6: If there's anybody that knows about a golf mistake, it's
Speaker 6: Barry Church once in a while. He knows about these
Speaker 6: golf mistakes every once in a while. But it kind
Speaker 6: of feels like the Cowboys wanted a mulligan, right instead
Speaker 6: of having the golf mistake from Detroit side. Now they're
Speaker 6: the ones that want the mulligan after what happened in
Speaker 6: week six. You kind of felt that frustration a little bit.
Speaker 6: This morning on one to five three the Fan and
Speaker 6: Jerry Jones talked to some of the questions that were
Speaker 6: very fair all the way through. But I thought the
Speaker 6: way that the outlined did it was very clear he's
Speaker 6: not making a coaching change.
Speaker 3: No Mulligan there.
Speaker 6: You're not going to necessarily add a ton of talent.
Speaker 3: No Mulligan there.
Speaker 6: This is your team and you're gonna get some guys back,
Speaker 6: which is significant.
Speaker 3: But the way that that happened, it was frustrating.
Speaker 6: And you can kind of feel that a little bit
Speaker 6: this morning.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, And and folks, let me be really
Speaker 7: honest with you about this, Going into these interviews with
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones or Steven Jones, sure there's a lot of
Speaker 7: prep that goes into it. And I know fans could
Speaker 7: be very critical of us at win O five three
Speaker 7: the fan for not asking tough questions, you know. And
Speaker 7: I think that throughout we've asked some tough questions, you know.
Speaker 7: I think that Jerry and Steven have done a really
Speaker 7: nice job throughout of handling questions. Today was one of
Speaker 7: those unfortunate days in my opinion, just because the frustration
Speaker 7: level with Jerry the general manager. I think there was
Speaker 7: a little bit, you know, Sean Sharif, who does a
Speaker 7: really nice job, felt like he needed to press a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 3: In this one.
Speaker 7: And you know, and Jerry, you know, he senses it,
Speaker 7: he senses you know, you know, nobody wants to be told, Hey,
Speaker 7: I'll go through all my issues, go through all my prompts.
Speaker 7: There are a lot of things that they have done
Speaker 7: well here, but today was the first day that I
Speaker 7: really was I felt poorly for really for both sides,
Speaker 7: because I think it was kind of unfair to Jerry
Speaker 7: in that situation, how frustrated he is.
Speaker 3: But I think it was also unfair to Sean and
Speaker 3: and Bobby.
Speaker 7: And too, and to uh, you know, into our Jay
Speaker 7: with maybe some of the comments that Jerry made along
Speaker 7: the way. I think I think, you know, we're trying
Speaker 7: to press he's trying to kind of give his answer
Speaker 7: his side, and you know, it's the first time that
Speaker 7: I've seen Jerry really on air not be able to
Speaker 7: handle it well.
Speaker 3: And but you.
Speaker 7: Know, there's a lot of pressure on him. There's a
Speaker 7: lot of pressure on us to ask questions, and that's
Speaker 7: what you're going to get when you get in that
Speaker 7: kind of setting.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the pressure comes in the way that
Speaker 6: the losses have happened too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, grand scheme of thing. You look at it in
Speaker 3: your three and three.
Speaker 6: I think if you and if all three of us
Speaker 6: were sitting at the table and we're going into the
Speaker 6: bye week at three and three, we say, Okay, they
Speaker 6: may have dropped the game, they probably shouldn't have, but
Speaker 6: this is still a decent football team.
Speaker 3: This is still where we own.
Speaker 7: Way the losses have happened exactly, Yeah, and the way
Speaker 7: it's the blowouts, it's down by twenty plus at halftime.
Speaker 6: It's those significant situations that have put a strain on
Speaker 6: the fan base. I put a strain on this coaching staff. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I put a strain on the front office. And I
Speaker 6: think you saw that a little bit today and bury it.
Speaker 6: You've been through some ups from downs with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: With all of that being said, I mean, where do
Speaker 6: you feel like the temperature of the team is based
Speaker 6: off of some of those those comments and really the
Speaker 6: fan base as a whole frustrated through the first three
Speaker 6: losses this season.
Speaker 3: Well, when you look at.
Speaker 1: It, like you said, you know they're three and three
Speaker 1: right now, you know you're still just one game out
Speaker 1: of the division league. I mean, season is not a season,
Speaker 1: not over by any stretch of the imagination. The team
Speaker 1: ahead of you is, you know, playing well, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Washington, but they're also led by a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he can do it. You know, all
Speaker 1: seventeen games to like ten weeks left, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 1: There's a long way to go on way to go,
Speaker 1: and you still have all your goals up there. But
Speaker 1: you know, I can understand, you know why, you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry might have been frustrated in this fan base could
Speaker 1: be frustrated as well. You look at it from Jerry situation.
Speaker 1: You know, you pay your quarterback, you know, two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty something million dollars, the highest paid in the
Speaker 1: National Football League history. You play your wide receiver number one,
Speaker 1: but is it top two money or top three money.
Speaker 3: Numbers money at his position?
Speaker 1: And those two guys, who have you know, seemingly been
Speaker 1: healthy throughout this season, haven't really connected. And you look
Speaker 1: at that offense. You know they're turning the football over.
Speaker 1: You know, you're three of thirteen on third down, which
Speaker 1: is the money down. You got to be able to
Speaker 1: complete those things. And the red zone has been a
Speaker 1: struggle this.
Speaker 3: Entire sist the whole time.
Speaker 1: So when you look at it, you look at you
Speaker 1: your two highest paid players out there. These are the
Speaker 1: supposed to be the guys that we look to when
Speaker 1: things are getting struggling to write this ship, and right
Speaker 1: now they're not doing that. So I can understand the
Speaker 1: frustration level from a Jerry Jones. But when you talk
Speaker 1: about the questions being asked, I believe that's you know,
Speaker 1: their job to do that. And you know, I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, them pressing the situation saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: what do we got to do here? What's the situation there?
Speaker 1: But I can also understand why Jerry was frustrated as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I think Barry makes an
Speaker 7: excellent point about you know, when you look at your
Speaker 7: you need your best players.
Speaker 3: And I don't, and I don't look at his money.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 7: I mean, these players are paid what they're negotiated, you know,
Speaker 7: they they it's the front office makes the decision to
Speaker 7: make DAC one of the highest paid quarterbacks. They make
Speaker 7: the decision to make CD one of the highest paid.
Speaker 7: When you do that, though, it you know, you kind
Speaker 7: of say, well, he's making sixty million dollars. Well, you know, yeah,
Speaker 7: he's making sixty million dollars. That's what they negotiated, you know,
Speaker 7: But how he plays that, that's what you need to
Speaker 7: kind of focus on and when you know, when Zach
Speaker 7: Martin doesn't plays particularly best, that hurts you. You Know,
Speaker 7: when Terrence Steele doesn't plays particularly best, that hurts you.
Speaker 7: When Lamb doesn't play his best, that that hurts you.
Speaker 7: You know, the quarterback that hurts you. You know, there's
Speaker 7: there's so many things that go into this and and
Speaker 7: from the front office. And I can understand the frustrations
Speaker 7: over there because I was on an organization here that
Speaker 7: went five and eleven three straight years, and I understand.
Speaker 7: I get the feeling, you know, of the frustration from Jerry.
Speaker 7: I've seen Jerry mad before, and I've seen him really mad,
Speaker 7: so you know, I understand that hey trying to avoid that,
Speaker 7: but but you know, his frustration has to be that, like, Okay,
Speaker 7: my best players, my best players are not playing their
Speaker 7: absolute best. And I think that's the thing that's first
Speaker 7: because he's you know, yeah, sure, playing with you know,
Speaker 7: backup guys and playing with rookies and all that, you're
Speaker 7: going to have some issues. But these guys that are
Speaker 7: veteran players that you've earmarked as these are my guys
Speaker 7: I'm taking care of, and I need them to play
Speaker 7: at a high level all the time and they don't
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 3: Boy, that's that's a hard pill to swallow.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of the big point that I take
Speaker 6: away from that specifically, is you named guys that have
Speaker 6: not missed time. Right, there are guys missing time. There's
Speaker 6: going to be a drop off from your top guys
Speaker 6: to your soci.
Speaker 7: Young linebackers had a handful the other day, all sorts
Speaker 7: of They had a Harris Leamarve and overshown, they Clark.
Speaker 3: All those guys did what they could.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, they're not starters for a reason.
Speaker 7: They play sixteen to eighteen plays a game. They don't
Speaker 7: play sixty five plays again, and a lot of those
Speaker 7: are And what's going to happen to you is you
Speaker 7: play sixty five plays a game and you normally play
Speaker 7: sixteen to eighteen, You're going to make mistakes. You're going
Speaker 7: to jump routes, you were going to jump out of
Speaker 7: a hole, you were going to miss a tackle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It's Mike McCarthy talks about it, and I do appreciate
Speaker 7: as a former personal man, I do appreciate the fact
Speaker 7: he really doesn't have a choice about playing young guys
Speaker 7: because that's really all they've got right now. But he
Speaker 7: talks about, you know, there's a lot of coaches that
Speaker 7: would just play veteran guys that aren't good enough, you know,
Speaker 7: and they because and then the young guys don't.
Speaker 3: I'm okay.
Speaker 7: I'm not okay losing games like it happened to the
Speaker 7: Lions of the Saints or the Ravens, but I'm okay
Speaker 7: with the fact that these young guys are getting reps.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm.
Speaker 7: Cooper Bebe is getting better about He's gonna get better
Speaker 7: about picking up twist stunts inside. You know, Guidon playing
Speaker 7: left tackle is going to get better with the more
Speaker 7: work that he gets. He just hasn't played against anybody
Speaker 7: that he's better than. Everybody that he's lined up against
Speaker 7: has been better than him, you know, the gauntless.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that you know, there doesn't get much.
Speaker 7: There's things that you know, Mike McCarthy's kind of taken
Speaker 7: a big picture approach about this about playing guys. Yes,
Speaker 7: he has to do it. Mike McCarthy is not guaranteed
Speaker 7: the end of this year, you know. I mean, so
Speaker 7: that's the problems that you kind of run into. Man,
Speaker 7: I do appreciate this about Mike is playing guys, you know,
Speaker 7: and saying, hey, we're going to stick with We're going
Speaker 7: to the best chance they really had the other day,
Speaker 7: in my opinion, they did it.
Speaker 3: They tried it.
Speaker 7: Moving Tyler Smith to left tackle was the best chance
Speaker 7: they had because that solidified at least one side. The
Speaker 7: right side of your offensive line wasn't good in that
Speaker 7: football game the other day. You know, that was the
Speaker 7: that was the issue with your offensive line. They tried
Speaker 7: to say, listen, we can eliminate Hutchinson on the other
Speaker 7: side against Smith, we can wash that. But now we'll focus.
Speaker 7: But they got in that game and the metrics will tao.
Speaker 7: They went single block eighty five percent of the time
Speaker 7: with those tackles. Wow, the two tackles went eighty five
Speaker 7: percent single blocks in that game. And that made me
Speaker 7: question a little bit of like, wait.
Speaker 3: A minute, what are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 7: But but but see to me, I look at I
Speaker 7: look at Tyler Smith, and I understand him doing it. Yes,
Speaker 7: but still, but tern Stiell and Terren still is a
Speaker 7: veteran guy. And Terren still, if you great him sixty
Speaker 7: five plays, he has five bad plays a game, and
Speaker 7: you're just hopeful that it's not five bad plays that
Speaker 7: kill you in a drive or kill.
Speaker 3: You that could be five drafts killed.
Speaker 7: But they but these are Again, the point is Jerry's
Speaker 7: frustration level has to be about guys that these ear
Speaker 7: marked as these are my guys, this is my guy,
Speaker 7: this is my guy, this is my guy. He's not
Speaker 7: getting the level of play out of that those guys that.
Speaker 3: He's ear marked. That's that's a problem.
Speaker 6: I completely agree, because if you're earmarking these benchmark, cornerstorm,
Speaker 6: cornerstone players of your organization, right and they're not playing well,
Speaker 6: do you expect the guys that are filling in cracks,
Speaker 6: that are filling in holes, that are depth players.
Speaker 7: kJ Henry kJ Henry playing the other day as a
Speaker 7: as A as a poach off a practice squad for
Speaker 7: like twelve past rush snaps was actually pretty good, you know,
Speaker 7: And you see that's what I'm saying. There's things that like,
Speaker 7: you're not expecting those guys. You're just hopeful, You're just
Speaker 7: hopeful that you know, I mean, Carl Lawson is not
Speaker 7: Carl Lawson to five years ago.
Speaker 3: He's not.
Speaker 7: But you know, you know, that's that's kind of where
Speaker 7: you're at right now, You're trying to you're trying to, like,
Speaker 7: and I've said this before, you're trying to put a
Speaker 7: band aid on an amputation, you know. I mean, blood
Speaker 7: is just spewing everywhere right now because you know you
Speaker 7: just don't have the bodies.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't afford to lose, you know, a
Speaker 3: kneeling because.
Speaker 7: He was going up. He was going up, and all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, it's like, so now you're in this
Speaker 7: your thing where hey.
Speaker 6: Wheat's are starter here at end yep and you're going
Speaker 6: he's your fifth passage.
Speaker 7: And this is nothing against Wheat, but when he plays
Speaker 7: fifteen to eighteen snaps, he's probably a pretty damn good
Speaker 7: player for you not playing forty or forty eight snaps.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's funny because you use the band aid
Speaker 6: on an amputation.
Speaker 3: Isaiah the other day was talking about a waterbed. Remember
Speaker 3: the water bed was back.
Speaker 6: In the eighties, and you're not supposed to get on
Speaker 6: the waterbed or jump on the water bed with something
Speaker 6: sharp like a pin in your pocket or all, and
Speaker 6: you pop it and it's leaking water. He was saying,
Speaker 6: there's multiple spots where that thing is leaking. He's like,
Speaker 6: but there's only one or two band aids that you
Speaker 6: get or tape that you've got to tape over it.
Speaker 6: That's kind of where you're at right now.
Speaker 3: You've got a spot.
Speaker 7: It's no excuse, and it really is not, and I'm
Speaker 7: not trying you play. You've played against some in my opinion,
Speaker 7: some really physical. The Lions are a very physical team.
Speaker 7: You beat the Steelers, in my opinion, it's a very
Speaker 7: very physical team. Don't ever question people like is this
Speaker 7: team tough? Are they mentally tough? Yeah, they won a
Speaker 7: very mentally tough, tough game against the Steelers.
Speaker 3: On the road.
Speaker 7: Jim Pittsburgh that don't don't don't question toughness because his
Speaker 7: team has won a tough game. That is a difficult game.
Speaker 7: But you've gotten beat up by some team. Now the
Speaker 7: Saints look like they've come back to earth. You play
Speaker 7: the Saints this week, you probably it's a different story
Speaker 7: with them, you know.
Speaker 3: But week two you caught them. You caught them when
Speaker 3: they were they caught them when.
Speaker 7: They were on a run, you know, and now you know,
Speaker 7: now you're kind of kind of paying for it.
Speaker 6: So at three and three, there's two ways where this
Speaker 6: season can go. It can go in the optimistic route
Speaker 6: or it could go into the pessimistic route after the
Speaker 6: bye week. So I want to I want to take
Speaker 6: a couple segments to do both. When we come back,
Speaker 6: we're gonna start with the back. We're gonna start with
Speaker 6: the pessimism why there are reasons to be pessimistic for
Speaker 6: the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: But then we're gonna follow.
Speaker 6: It up with reasons to be optimistic at the end
Speaker 6: of the show.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna end on a high note. That's what
Speaker 3: we're gonna do here.
Speaker 6: So when we come back, where's the centerpiece, the epicenter
Speaker 6: of the problem of this Dallas Cowboys team. We'll talk
Speaker 6: about that when we come back with more talking Cowboys
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Speaker 6: I don't blame you, honestly. You get it done however
Speaker 6: you can get it done, all right, Cowboys are three
Speaker 6: and three. Yeah, reasons to be pessimistic right now. So
Speaker 6: this is this is just a spot where we can
Speaker 6: kind of air out the dirty laundry of the Cowboys team.
Speaker 6: I want to start in the in the trenches, Barry,
Speaker 6: because you talked about lack of improvement in the trenches
Speaker 6: based off of this team from week one until week
Speaker 6: seven where we are right now, are you more confident
Speaker 6: or less confident in what they've done upfront?
Speaker 3: I'm less confident. You know.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get healthier as the weeks go on.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get Parsons back, you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: d Laws as well as going to come back. But
Speaker 1: when I look into trenches, you know, going against run.
Speaker 1: I always had a coach in Marinellia who told me
Speaker 1: it's about man on man Boe on bone situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and can you go out there and can you win
Speaker 1: your one on one matchups? Like I understand, you get
Speaker 1: double teamed, you might get pushed out the gap. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're getting double teamed. But for those one on one situations,
Speaker 1: you can't be velcrow. You gotta be able to push
Speaker 1: guys off, shed blocks and make plays.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what you know.
Speaker 1: Being in the National Football league's about us winning your
Speaker 1: one on ones at making plays. And so far this season,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a couple sprinkles of it here.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland game, they played pretty well against the run Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: They did a decent job against Nagie Harris and.
Speaker 3: The crew out there.
Speaker 1: But I just haven't seen enough consistency when you talk
Speaker 1: about the front seven winning their one on one battles
Speaker 1: and making plays out there, Like I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said I said a little bit earlier, the
Speaker 1: double teams are gonna happen. You know, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: plays where some guy's gonna try to, you know, play
Speaker 1: hero ball, make the play swimming in the wrong gap.
Speaker 1: I understand those things happen. But when you're in your
Speaker 1: gap and you know your responsibility, what you got to do.
Speaker 1: You just got to beat the man across from you.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough of that so far this season,
Speaker 1: So to me, right now, I'm kind of kind of wavering.
Speaker 1: I want to see what they do when they get
Speaker 1: fully back and healthy. But you gotta start winning these
Speaker 1: one on one battles.
Speaker 3: Man, you got some.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna take the other side of the line here,
Speaker 7: because to me, this is where I was wrong about
Speaker 7: this team. I felt like that this offensive line could
Speaker 7: be a strength and it's truly not. You know, you've
Speaker 7: got a situation. We've talked about what's going on on
Speaker 7: the right side. The bar has been set so high
Speaker 7: for Zack Martin in a Hall of Fame career. He's
Speaker 7: you know, whether he's dealing with the back injury. I
Speaker 7: mean the stuff popped up during the week that you
Speaker 7: know that he gets a veteran day. They're trying to
Speaker 7: do their best. It's not the same Zach Martin. You know,
Speaker 7: Zach Martin is now kind of a mortal player. He
Speaker 7: looks like a mere mortal the way he's playing. And
Speaker 7: you know, there was a time where Zach Martin when
Speaker 7: he you know, he was his ability to punish those tackles,
Speaker 7: you know, and help in the twist games and things
Speaker 7: like that. He's given up more pressures than he's ever
Speaker 7: given up. You know, he's he's really struggling with some
Speaker 7: of his power. Man, his back might be bothering, his
Speaker 7: base might be bothering him. You know, we talked about
Speaker 7: a little bit about Terrence Still the right side. They've
Speaker 7: had some struggles over there. You got a rookie center
Speaker 7: that has to learn how to play the inside twist game.
Speaker 7: And Mike McCarthy said it yesterday in the press conference.
Speaker 7: He says, we're getting a lot more line movement and
Speaker 7: that's because Geiton excuse me, Bebe is so aggressive and
Speaker 7: trying to pass his guy. He gets stuck and then
Speaker 7: here comes the looper over the top and he can't
Speaker 7: get back. And now Dak I mean the ball that
Speaker 7: went down the sidelines. If you talked about Jerry Jones
Speaker 7: is always believed, you know, keep the middle of the
Speaker 7: pocket firm so that the quarterback can step up and
Speaker 7: throw really bad example of this the other day for
Speaker 7: the Cowboys was the ball that went down to Tolbert
Speaker 7: where everybody says he lost it.
Speaker 3: In the sun.
Speaker 7: But if Dak has the ability to step up, he
Speaker 7: really just kind of throws it just with his arm,
Speaker 7: not with a step.
Speaker 3: Ball goes out further.
Speaker 7: It's probably a touchdown, and that's because Zach Martin gave
Speaker 7: up a pressure inside the McNeil. You know, here you
Speaker 7: go and now Dak has nowhere to step but there,
Speaker 7: you know, there's a struggle there.
Speaker 3: Your most consistent player is.
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith at guard, and he's had to play a
Speaker 7: couple of different spots, which we all know. And then
Speaker 7: you got what's going on with Geyton on the way
Speaker 7: we've been accustomed for so many years of plug and play,
Speaker 7: plug and play, plug and play, you know, first round guy,
Speaker 7: plug and Play's gonna be an All Pro. This is
Speaker 7: kind of the first year where it's been like it's
Speaker 7: been a real big learning curve has really been steep.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if it's because Guidance playing on
Speaker 7: the right side at Oklahoma now he's playing on the
Speaker 7: left side, but there's a there's a learning curve there,
Speaker 7: and this is what worries me about the team going forward.
Speaker 7: I think the line right now, which I thought was
Speaker 7: going to be a strength, right now has its issues
Speaker 7: at certain spots, and I think it's affecting the way
Speaker 7: the offense is being able to function.
Speaker 1: Quick question, So do you believe that this offensive line
Speaker 1: can be better run blocking or they're just as bad.
Speaker 7: When you talk about the problem, the problem you run into,
Speaker 7: Barry is like, you know, this is really unfair because
Speaker 7: you watch Detroit's offensive line and Frank ragnow the center
Speaker 7: and how and then you watch you know, they've got
Speaker 7: good Yeah, Penny sewel and Decker is not great at
Speaker 7: left tackle, but he's but it's four guys and hiding one.
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's not like one guy hiding four.
Speaker 7: You know, Dallas is kind of in that mode where
Speaker 7: there we're kind of you know, it's kind of not good.
Speaker 7: They're in the offensive line right now. But when you
Speaker 7: watch Dallas block, say the you know, much better against
Speaker 7: the Steelers, which I thought was going to be a big,
Speaker 7: big issue. You know, the combination blocks they just do
Speaker 7: not get. Guys, everybody that kills Dallas in the running
Speaker 7: game gets second level blocks.
Speaker 3: I mean it's center up on linebacker, guard up on linebacker.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's tackle up on linebacker.
Speaker 7: I mean it is Everybody that kills you in the
Speaker 7: running game doesn't have any respect for your down linemen.
Speaker 3: They just don't.
Speaker 7: They shove and go, shove, go, and Dallas has to
Speaker 7: the way their scheme is, Dallas, you know, hip to hip,
Speaker 7: try and push and then push that guy off. Where
Speaker 7: teams that you're playing, Saints Ravens, this Detroit bunch, they don't.
Speaker 7: They just they they trust their guys to go one
Speaker 7: on one and get somebody on the second level. And
Speaker 7: now you got the ball, So Dallas, Dallas leaves. I'll
Speaker 7: say this, if you're running game requires that that Tolbert
Speaker 7: blocks Hutchinson on the back side and gets that block,
Speaker 7: and your running game is going to it's gonna it's
Speaker 7: gonna hinge on getting that block.
Speaker 3: That ain't you may want to change your scheme.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when when when Tolbert is trying to go inside
Speaker 7: and cut off Aiden Hutchinson from getting to the.
Speaker 3: Ball, you're maybe maybe you need.
Speaker 7: To look at listen. I'm not a line coach, I'm
Speaker 7: not an offensive coordinator. I was just a scout, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to find you players that maybe
Speaker 7: I can get you, Maybe I can get you a
Speaker 7: wide receiver a Deebo Sam who can block a they
Speaker 7: can block Ad Hutchinson. Maybe I can get you a
Speaker 7: you know, maybe I could get you. I mean Ryan
Speaker 7: floorin Away is a big guy and when he when
Speaker 7: he blocked in the Pittsburgh game, he could have got
Speaker 7: called for holding in two plays.
Speaker 3: He'll try.
Speaker 7: But but if your scheme requires you to take a
Speaker 7: wide receiver and cut the backside off, you might be
Speaker 7: you know, you might be might be in for a
Speaker 7: long day.
Speaker 6: Usually usually when we're watching the game, because we watch
Speaker 6: the games in the studio between.
Speaker 3: Throw at the screen. Man Barry was there this past week.
Speaker 6: He would have died on that play because, I mean, Isaiah,
Speaker 6: Nate and I were talking about and we're like, what.
Speaker 3: What is going well?
Speaker 7: Well, a lot of times you see teams will take
Speaker 7: in teams to play the Cowboys, especially Parsons on the backside,
Speaker 7: Tanks on the backside. They'll take a tight end and
Speaker 7: they might they might step right and then bring that
Speaker 7: tight end back, you know, they bring the block, they
Speaker 7: crack they kind of they bring a motion and crack
Speaker 7: that in and they crack that in and then get
Speaker 7: everybody front.
Speaker 6: So it's not really even Tolbert. It's just it's a
Speaker 6: leverage deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. Didn't happen, so Tolbert and you know,
Speaker 3: God bless him.
Speaker 7: I mean, he tries, but it's like it's like firing
Speaker 7: tennis balls off a tank.
Speaker 3: You know, it just ain't gonna work.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure there's somebody whos gonna listen to this
Speaker 7: program and go, Dann brought us. You don't know what
Speaker 7: the hell you're talking about. But I'm watching the scheme
Speaker 7: and I'm like going, if you're thinking your wide receiver
Speaker 7: is going to block an all pro edge, you know,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of time where Dallas kind of very
Speaker 7: correct me on this one. Okay, man, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 7: just doing this. But the interception that that Dak through
Speaker 7: in the corner of the end zone, that that branch guy.
Speaker 7: How many times in practice would you have run that play?
Speaker 7: Maybe three times? And every time the coaches tell the
Speaker 7: safety to or the corner.
Speaker 3: Okay, react to the flat right, jump the flat, jump
Speaker 3: the float over there. Make sure you're jumping it on
Speaker 3: the car. Jump the flat, jump the flat.
Speaker 7: But then you're not You're you're you're doing in the game,
Speaker 7: and it's like three times in the practice.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, he's gonna.
Speaker 9: I'm who's all of a sudden, Yeah, you got a
Speaker 9: young You've got a young, a young safety corner that
Speaker 9: knows how to And he's like he sees the fake.
Speaker 3: Screen to tall Bert and he's like huh and.
Speaker 6: He's like, I don't have any help over that.
Speaker 7: He's looking at Dak and he's going, he ain't throwing
Speaker 7: the ball the flat and he sits right there and
Speaker 7: then he just sinks.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a football play right there.
Speaker 7: But I guarantee you in practice three times they ran
Speaker 7: that play and all three times they hit it.
Speaker 3: In the corner. It's because jump the floot, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's it's always play. I mean always it's.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's a little maddening, it is.
Speaker 3: But see, because that's what happens.
Speaker 7: I think they get in the game and they're like, oh,
Speaker 7: this motion will influence. They don't motion enough to influence.
Speaker 7: Like you watch teams that really are good at like
Speaker 7: the play actually the motion. The teams you play that
Speaker 7: have two motions emotion and in another motion. The Saints
Speaker 7: people like that. So you know, when you do that
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, when you're moving bodies and playing with
Speaker 7: Barry's eyes, it's safety. Sit there, going damn, they're moving,
Speaker 7: and then they're moving again, you know, and now you're thinking, well,
Speaker 7: and they moved on and they play before that, and
Speaker 7: all that in the back of your head. Another example here,
Speaker 7: you know, they the Lions, they they have like they
Speaker 7: have three on one side and then they have say,
Speaker 7: Saint Brown on the other side, and they run three
Speaker 7: guys outside the numbers. I mean, they take three guys,
Speaker 7: so they're taking three defenders away and they're running Saint
Speaker 7: Brown inside to replace all the movement that happened here.
Speaker 7: And now the ball's right there and it's a twelve
Speaker 7: yard game and you're going, damn, look what they just did.
Speaker 7: They moved three defenders with that, they got everybody out
Speaker 7: of the out of the way, and then they ran
Speaker 7: a guy inside.
Speaker 3: But see that happens.
Speaker 7: When you run a lot of movement, motion kind of
Speaker 7: you know, make a lot of you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of eye candy, eye wash.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for these guys, did you hate motion when you
Speaker 6: played or was it like not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: I hated motion because you know, I had to communicate
Speaker 1: throughout the entire defense.
Speaker 3: All they're doing here, we gotta switch.
Speaker 7: Up to here, we gotta switch and they're playing in
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and nobody can hear him yelling correct, you know.
Speaker 6: And maybe I'm just a young guy who likes offense
Speaker 6: and whatever. Like if there's a defen who played as
Speaker 6: long in the league as you did, Yeah, that says
Speaker 6: I hate.
Speaker 3: Motion, Then why would you not run motion? Well, it's constant.
Speaker 7: A lot of teams are I'm just saying that Dallas
Speaker 7: is more of a static team. It's that's how they play.
Speaker 7: That's how they've always.
Speaker 3: That's how they play.
Speaker 7: But to me, I mean, I get to watch a
Speaker 7: lot of tape of other teams, and when you watch
Speaker 7: these teams like the Lions and stuff, and it's pretty simple.
Speaker 3: Dallas did a good job.
Speaker 7: If you look at the one arm, the one arm,
Speaker 7: the one hand catch that Lamb had, he switches, he
Speaker 7: switches his route so he's like lined up and then
Speaker 7: he moves outside. They get a slot blitz and now
Speaker 7: he runs like the arrow inside. But it makes Branch
Speaker 7: have to cover from depth because they're trying to replace
Speaker 7: the they're trying to replace the blitzer. Yeah, so all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, it's like, ah, got you bowl. Here
Speaker 7: we go one hand, catch up the field going and
Speaker 7: you're like going. And poor Dak he deals with tight
Speaker 7: window throws. There's not a there's not a dude that
Speaker 7: throws more tight window balls than this guy.
Speaker 6: It's actually statistically and he number one and nobody complete
Speaker 6: score tight window throws than the suit very much.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it just to me when you start to
Speaker 7: talk about playing the Lions and playing the Ravens and
Speaker 7: playing the quarterback at the Ravens, was the big problem
Speaker 7: in that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's distresses everybody else escape.
Speaker 7: The Lions, the line and the running backs with the
Speaker 7: issue here in this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had their way.
Speaker 6: They had their way early and often against the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: All Right, that's reasons to be pessimistic. We kind of
Speaker 6: went through the x's and O side of things as well.
Speaker 3: I love it. Reasons for optimism. There's still some out there.
Speaker 6: May not be very prevalent right now because of the
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Speaker 6: We had to flip flop some things today, all right,
Speaker 6: reasons for positivity, reasons for positivity. How much better can
Speaker 6: this team get, Brian, and when you get these guys
Speaker 6: back from injury.
Speaker 3: No, that's your hope right there.
Speaker 7: I think the positivity to me would be last year
Speaker 7: when they had their Cross the Hall meetings. The offense
Speaker 7: was before the Cross the Hall meetings, before the break
Speaker 7: where the offense was very poor. It was very stagnant,
Speaker 7: very stale. My hope is that that you know, as
Speaker 7: the players, because of collective bargaining, you don't get the
Speaker 7: practice like you need to practice. I mean, Barry would
Speaker 7: tell you that he used to practice till a Friday
Speaker 7: and then get a Saturday off and then have to
Speaker 7: be back Sunday. Now yeah, no farce. I mean all
Speaker 7: these guys they did all that stuff. But now that
Speaker 7: because of collective bargain, this is an opportunity for the
Speaker 7: coaches to have their cross the Hall meetings with each
Speaker 7: other and you know, Mike Zimmer sit down and look
Speaker 7: at the offense, you know, and Shot and Hind Brian
Speaker 7: Shot Himmer sit down and look at the defense, kind
Speaker 7: of figure out some things. But you know, last year
Speaker 7: you came out of this, the offense became much better. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And to me, that's my hope that is that some
Speaker 7: of these things that now the coaches have the next
Speaker 7: five to six days the ability to sit down and
Speaker 7: really get into their tendencies, get into things that work,
Speaker 7: h things that didn't work, maybe reevaluate why did we
Speaker 7: have this in the game plan, why do we need
Speaker 7: we need to put this in the game plan. That's
Speaker 7: my hope that that that that the same type of
Speaker 7: different looking ideas and schemes come to the forefront this
Speaker 7: time around.
Speaker 3: That's that's my hope.
Speaker 7: Because you're not going to add any more players, You're
Speaker 7: just not and so you're going only get players back
Speaker 7: that are healthy, you know, that's the thing, and you
Speaker 7: just again, you know, you just don't need any more injuries.
Speaker 7: Maybe Dallas has got through their injury parts for this
Speaker 7: uh for this time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, knocking on wood.
Speaker 7: For sure, But uh, that's my hope that that that
Speaker 7: that the.
Speaker 3: Scheme that things.
Speaker 7: The scheme may be a little bit different, maybe some
Speaker 7: adjustments of more of the good take out the bat.
Speaker 6: This is, of course, the second straight year that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys have had a week seven bye week. They had
Speaker 6: it last year too, And if you look at the teams,
Speaker 6: they were four and two at the bye last year.
Speaker 6: They're three and three this year, so one game difference,
Speaker 6: And honestly, the way they lost their two games last.
Speaker 3: Year were similar.
Speaker 6: You lost to a team you probably shouldn't have lost
Speaker 6: too the.
Speaker 3: Years Cardinals, they kicked your ass.
Speaker 6: You got your ass kicked against San Francisco forty two
Speaker 6: to ten game, very similar to what just happened in Detroit.
Speaker 6: Now it was on the road and it was against
Speaker 6: the same FRAN team that, oh, by the way, was
Speaker 6: coming off of an NFC title game appearance, just like
Speaker 6: the Detroit Lions. So similar loss. You found your way
Speaker 6: back right before the bye with a tight win. Not
Speaker 6: a great played football game against the Chargers, but you
Speaker 6: found a way. Same kind of thing happened in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6: You found a way, wasn't a great played football game.
Speaker 6: Is actually the same exact score twenty to seventeen, so
Speaker 6: it's not that different. Now there's one game difference, and
Speaker 6: that's going to play a schedule that's a lot tougher
Speaker 6: this year than it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the problem now.
Speaker 6: So you're about to go into a portion of the
Speaker 6: season that's the toughest stretch out of maybe and you
Speaker 6: could argue in the NFL in terms of toughest schedule
Speaker 6: to play as a player on the bye week in
Speaker 6: that situation where you're saying, Okay, it hasn't been good,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of things to fix. I know I'm off,
Speaker 6: but is there an extra step that you can take
Speaker 6: realistically with the collective bargaining agreement and the way that
Speaker 6: things are set up.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys, you know, you know said it perfectly.
Speaker 1: Ross went with the players and how the coaches can
Speaker 1: get better at it. You went to you know, last year,
Speaker 1: how that situation handled. And if I'm a player in
Speaker 1: this locker room, I'm looking at it like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we played like you know, boo boo for a couple
Speaker 1: of games out there, but every goal is still obtainable.
Speaker 1: You're three and three and just look at the division.
Speaker 6: Your one game out itself.
Speaker 3: The Giants.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really believes they're playing a little
Speaker 1: bit better. But you know, there's still a couple of
Speaker 1: years out. In my opinion, Philadelphia is holding on by
Speaker 1: a string right now.
Speaker 6: Head coach Turmoil all that you were one game out
Speaker 6: of the bye week last year as well.
Speaker 1: Out and in Washington, who's been playing great. They've you know,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's got their players playing, you know, quarterbacks, quarterbacks
Speaker 1: playing great. LSU guy's been playing unbelievable. But I want
Speaker 1: to see can he do that throughout the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. So all your goals are still there. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're three and three, one game out. There's still a
Speaker 1: lot of football left to be played. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: your guys back, hopefully healthy, hopefully soon, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: go out there and you got to play better. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom line. You gotta play better defensively, offensively,
Speaker 1: special teams I think has been playing outstanding, But everybody
Speaker 1: has a collective group has got to go out there too.
Speaker 7: You know what bothers me and Barry can address this.
Speaker 7: So I hate this when it bothers me so much.
Speaker 7: When the head coach talks about preparation and then the
Speaker 7: players talk about preparation, and it's and it's always curely go.
Speaker 3: On the coaching well, it's always after the loss. It's
Speaker 3: always never need to practice better.
Speaker 7: And I'm like thinking, Okay, we just wasted seven days
Speaker 7: to get ready for what to get get.
Speaker 3: Our eyes handed to us.
Speaker 7: You know, if that's the case, A man, that's a
Speaker 7: that's a that's a question. Is the general manage you
Speaker 7: asks like, why do you guys keep talking about preparation?
Speaker 7: What are we doing differently that we haven't done before?
Speaker 7: Is there something that we need to change? Is there
Speaker 7: something that we need to adjust? You know that bothers me.
Speaker 7: That is every time I hear a player or a
Speaker 7: coach say practice wasn't really particularly very good. I know
Speaker 7: you're not gonna have great practices every single day, but
Speaker 7: if you're telling me when a great week of practice, yeah,
Speaker 7: then why why wasn't it a great week of practice?
Speaker 3: Was it the way it was set up? How do
Speaker 3: you fix it? How do you fix that?
Speaker 7: Because if that, if the players believe that's the reason why,
Speaker 7: and the coach believes that's the reason why, something's got
Speaker 7: to change, something's got to change, you can't sit there
Speaker 7: just every every time you get blasted by a team,
Speaker 7: come out and say, need to work harder. Mike told
Speaker 7: us yesterday and the press camerags he goes, you know,
Speaker 7: we work hard. That part of it is hard, but
Speaker 7: we don't always practice well. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 7: who's responsibility that is?
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm saying. And I and I and
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't get.
Speaker 6: To watch practice like I used to nobody.
Speaker 3: I wish, I wish I and I'm not talking.
Speaker 7: I mean I wish when I was in personnel, I
Speaker 7: could go out there and think we're gonna get our
Speaker 7: ass handed to us today, or hey, this team is
Speaker 7: on the screws. You know, we're on the screws. We're
Speaker 7: gonna this is going to be a good game for us,
Speaker 7: you know, because you can watch and see what things
Speaker 7: look like they might work and which ones when you
Speaker 7: watch the tape, it's like, we got no chance in health.
Speaker 7: They're putting that in the game plan. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: and and there's a lot of things that we got
Speaker 7: no chance in health. If we put that in the
Speaker 7: game plan. They need to fix that. But that's a
Speaker 7: negative thing.
Speaker 3: But my hope.
Speaker 7: My hope is that some of the faults now that
Speaker 7: they could step back, look at the analytics even further
Speaker 7: and kind of dive into where you're good and where
Speaker 7: you've struggled and find a way to understand why you
Speaker 7: struggled so bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. My dad all the time was always
Speaker 3: he had this mantra.
Speaker 6: Of course, the cliche is practice makes perfect. Right, he said, no,
Speaker 6: practice does not make perfect perfect. Practice makes perfect.
Speaker 3: That's part of it. Because you can practice the wrong thing,
Speaker 3: pure and simple.
Speaker 6: You can have bad reps and bad practice that put
Speaker 6: you in a bad spot moving forward. Not saying that
Speaker 6: that's constantly the case, but if it's coming from Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 6: if it's coming from the head show.
Speaker 3: It's coming from the players and the players.
Speaker 7: I think that when you watch Dak stand up there
Speaker 7: and Dak has to take the arrows after the law
Speaker 7: of time, he takes the arrows up there, and and
Speaker 7: then he says, you know, we just need to practice better.
Speaker 3: You need to become better.
Speaker 7: Professionals need to and you're going that's keeping you from
Speaker 7: winning these games, Well, then damn do something about it.
Speaker 1: Like when do you realize, man, this was a bad
Speaker 1: practice after the loss or like, you know, as you're
Speaker 1: going through practice, did you did when did you realize it? Well,
Speaker 1: when I was playing, they were allowed to start the
Speaker 1: whole thing over.
Speaker 11: Yea.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you saw coaches, man just ain't good enough, start
Speaker 1: this whole period over again. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: able to do that anymore, but you know that's what
Speaker 1: they used to do when I.
Speaker 3: Was playing, that would be that would be enough for
Speaker 3: me to do it.
Speaker 6: We're having a bad show where thirty five minutes in
Speaker 6: and beamers in the back, he's like, guys, flipp reset,
Speaker 6: but let's start this thing over. I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm on my p's and q's, I'm there, I'm ready,
Speaker 6: let's ride.
Speaker 3: Let's let's do this.
Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe not the same era and it's not,
Speaker 6: but either way, you got to.
Speaker 3: Find a way.
Speaker 6: That's on your leaders, that's on your coaching staff, that's
Speaker 6: on your quarterback, it's on everybody that has a significant
Speaker 6: role of leadership in the building, and you got to
Speaker 6: get it right well.
Speaker 3: And again, the front office, everybody takes. Everybody takes a turn.
Speaker 7: At this thing, and so they need to sit down
Speaker 7: this week and kind of go through those meetings and
Speaker 7: figure out really what the main thing. If your players
Speaker 7: aren't good enough, that's one thing. But if you're getting
Speaker 7: beat because you're not scheming correctly or preparations not good enough,
Speaker 7: then that that's something that that.
Speaker 3: To me is you know, we need to do something different.
Speaker 6: And just to end it on a high note if
Speaker 6: we're if you're going to expect improvement significantly because of
Speaker 6: a bye week, it's probably not going to come from
Speaker 6: the player side of things immediately because they're off, they
Speaker 6: are away, they are not in the building. But your
Speaker 6: coaching staff this is where it's got. They're in the building.
Speaker 6: This is where preparation can be turned around.
Speaker 3: This is where the.
Speaker 7: General manager needs to walk down the hall and kind
Speaker 7: of have some individual meetings with guys and just kind
Speaker 7: of and you know, him and Steven and Will McLay
Speaker 7: they need to and you know, and hey, we'll see,
Speaker 7: I mean, we'll see how that all plays out, but
Speaker 7: hopefully they get that done.
Speaker 3: Last year, coming out of the.
Speaker 6: By I had the the neck and neck of what
Speaker 6: it looked like they had the Rams, the Eagles, the Panthers,
Speaker 6: the Commanders, the Giants.
Speaker 3: Is not in that.
Speaker 6: Specific order, but they were the next five teams up.
Speaker 3: Not that way. This year. You've got damn well Houston.
Speaker 6: Not very easy for the Dallas Cowboys, but we're going
Speaker 6: to figure it out. We're going to figure it out
Speaker 6: on our side of things at least. But we'll be
Speaker 6: back tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys.
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