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Speaker 3: Normally today we would.

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Speaker 6: Be taking calls, but that's not the case because we

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Speaker 6: have two of the best in the Dallas media scene

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Speaker 6: filling in on this bye week. Pleasure to welcome in

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Speaker 6: back on the Talking Cowboys team for the first time

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Speaker 6: and quite some time, but glad to always have him back,

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Speaker 6: the one the only Brian brought us the Scouts, I himself, Brian,

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Speaker 6: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Thank you very much, Kyle, and very good to be

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Speaker 7: with you guys. We have got a lot of former safety.

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Speaker 3: Barry Church here, certain this is true, a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot of enthusiasm. I like this.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Derek is usually very kind of low key

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Speaker 7: and then boy, you just kind of just gonna jump

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Speaker 7: right in there.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 6: See, here's the thing there was There was once a

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Speaker 6: wise man who his name is David Hellman.

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Speaker 3: He David Hillman.

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Speaker 6: He told me one of my best traits is my

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Speaker 6: big booming radio voice. There you go, and he said,

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Speaker 6: use it. I was like, all right, it sounds good,

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Speaker 6: so I'll use it.

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Speaker 3: Dave knows what he's talking about. Oh yeah, he definitely does.

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Speaker 3: But good to have you boys back.

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Speaker 6: Of course, I've gotten the pleasure and opportunity to do

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Speaker 6: the Draft show with you since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: I've been on pregame.

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Speaker 6: Shows and postgame coverage with Barry Church since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: So we're all very accustomed to being around each other,

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Speaker 6: and in a time like this, I think this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and are together because it was rough on Sunday.

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Speaker 6: Hey, gentlemen, and I want to start things off by

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Speaker 6: getting your opinion on scouts eye and former players. I

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Speaker 6: want to go through for those who may not have

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Speaker 6: heard you on the break and on Players Lounge yesterday,

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Speaker 6: I want to hear your opinion about what happened in

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Speaker 6: the forty seven and nine beat down the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's a couple of different ways that

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Speaker 7: you can start. You were going to be shorthanded in

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Speaker 7: a kickoff return, upont return, something like that to kind

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Speaker 7: of keep you in that football game. But when you

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Speaker 7: you don't run the ball well enough. That's no secret.

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Speaker 7: You know, you kind of win a different little bit

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Speaker 7: their first four games they had not really nobody else

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Speaker 3: Over to the other side, we got that squared up.

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Speaker 7: And what we didn't account for in that game was

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Speaker 3: It's just a difficult cover.

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Speaker 7: It's a difficult It's difficult when you don't have a

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Speaker 7: So that that kind of a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from you know, my perspective, and I think broadest

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent right when you look at it, this

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Speaker 1: handled in the trenches. That's where it started. And to me,

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Speaker 1: They're going against Detroit, who has arguably the best offensive

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't hurt that they have, you know, that

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Speaker 1: But when I looked at this game, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: You missed there. There's no way you're coming back. It's

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Speaker 1: So you started seeing guys press a little bit out

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Speaker 1: But because if you don't win in the trenches. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You got to make them work the entire length of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, one thing that Brian said, they're the kind of

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Speaker 6: If there's anybody that knows about a golf mistake, it's

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Speaker 6: Barry Church once in a while. He knows about these

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Speaker 6: of feels like the Cowboys wanted a mulligan, right instead

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Speaker 6: Jerry Jones talked to some of the questions that were

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Speaker 3: No Mulligan there.

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Speaker 3: No Mulligan there.

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Speaker 3: But the way that that happened, it was frustrating.

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Speaker 6: And you can kind of feel that a little bit

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, And and folks, let me be really

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Speaker 7: honest with you about this, Going into these interviews with

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Speaker 7: I think that throughout we've asked some tough questions, you know.

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Speaker 7: I think that Jerry and Steven have done a really

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Speaker 7: really nice job, felt like he needed to press a

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Speaker 3: In this one.

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Speaker 7: And you know, and Jerry, you know, he senses it,

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Speaker 7: I'll go through all my issues, go through all my prompts.

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Speaker 7: There are a lot of things that they have done

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Speaker 7: because I think it was kind of unfair to Jerry

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Speaker 3: But I think it was also unfair to Sean and

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Speaker 1: There's a long way to go on way to go,

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Speaker 3: And I don't, and I don't look at his money.

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Speaker 7: I mean, these players are paid what they're negotiated, you know,

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Speaker 7: When you do that, though, it you know, you kind

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Speaker 7: of say, well, he's making sixty million dollars. Well, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 7: But how he plays that, that's what you need to

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Speaker 7: When Lamb doesn't play his best, that that hurts you.

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Speaker 7: You know, the quarterback that hurts you. You know, there's

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Speaker 7: there's so many things that go into this and and

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Speaker 7: I get the feeling, you know, of the frustration from Jerry.

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Speaker 7: I'm taking care of, and I need them to play

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Speaker 3: Boy, that's that's a hard pill to swallow.

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Speaker 6: And that's kind of the big point that I take

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Speaker 7: Young linebackers had a handful the other day, all sorts

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Speaker 3: All those guys did what they could.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, they're not starters for a reason.

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Speaker 7: They play sixteen to eighteen plays a game. They don't

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: It's Mike McCarthy talks about it, and I do appreciate

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Speaker 3: I'm okay.

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Speaker 7: I'm not okay losing games like it happened to the

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Speaker 7: Cooper Bebe is getting better about He's gonna get better

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Speaker 7: about picking up twist stunts inside. You know, Guidon playing

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Speaker 7: that he's better than. Everybody that he's lined up against

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Speaker 7: There's things that you know, Mike McCarthy's kind of taken

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Speaker 7: he has to do it. Mike McCarthy is not guaranteed

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Speaker 7: I do appreciate this about Mike is playing guys, you know,

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Speaker 7: Moving Tyler Smith to left tackle was the best chance

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Speaker 7: But they got in that game and the metrics will tao.

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Speaker 3: You that could be five drafts killed.

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Speaker 7: But they but these are Again, the point is Jerry's

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Speaker 6: I completely agree, because if you're earmarking these benchmark, cornerstorm,

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't afford to lose, you know, a

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Speaker 7: He was going up. He was going up, and all

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Speaker 6: Wheat's are starter here at end yep and you're going

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Speaker 7: And this is nothing against Wheat, but when he plays

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's funny because you use the band aid

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Speaker 6: In the eighties, and you're not supposed to get on

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Speaker 6: That's kind of where you're at right now.

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Speaker 3: You've got a spot.

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Speaker 7: It's no excuse, and it really is not, and I'm

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Speaker 7: not trying you play. You've played against some in my opinion,

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Speaker 7: some really physical. The Lions are a very physical team.

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Speaker 7: You beat the Steelers, in my opinion, it's a very

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Speaker 7: very physical team. Don't ever question people like is this

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Speaker 7: team tough? Are they mentally tough? Yeah, they won a

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Speaker 7: very mentally tough, tough game against the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: On the road.

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Speaker 7: Jim Pittsburgh that don't don't don't question toughness because his

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Speaker 7: team has won a tough game. That is a difficult game.

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Speaker 7: But you've gotten beat up by some team. Now the

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Speaker 7: Saints look like they've come back to earth. You play

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Speaker 7: the Saints this week, you probably it's a different story

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Speaker 7: with them, you know.

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Speaker 3: But week two you caught them. You caught them when

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Speaker 3: they were they caught them when.

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Speaker 7: They were on a run, you know, and now you know,

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Speaker 7: now you're kind of kind of paying for it.

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Speaker 6: So at three and three, there's two ways where this

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Speaker 6: a couple segments to do both. When we come back,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna start with the back. We're gonna start with

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Speaker 6: the pessimism why there are reasons to be pessimistic for

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Speaker 3: But then we're gonna follow.

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Speaker 6: It up with reasons to be optimistic at the end

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna end on a high note. That's what

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Speaker 6: I don't blame you, honestly. You get it done however

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Speaker 6: you can get it done, all right, Cowboys are three

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Speaker 6: and three. Yeah, reasons to be pessimistic right now. So

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Speaker 6: this is this is just a spot where we can

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Speaker 6: kind of air out the dirty laundry of the Cowboys team.

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Speaker 6: I want to start in the in the trenches, Barry,

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Speaker 6: because you talked about lack of improvement in the trenches

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Speaker 6: based off of this team from week one until week

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Speaker 6: seven where we are right now, are you more confident

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Speaker 6: or less confident in what they've done upfront?

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Speaker 3: I'm less confident. You know.

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna get healthier as the weeks go on.

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Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get Parsons back, you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: d Laws as well as going to come back. But

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Speaker 1: when I look into trenches, you know, going against run.

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Speaker 1: I always had a coach in Marinellia who told me

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Speaker 1: it's about man on man Boe on bone situations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and can you go out there and can you win

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Speaker 1: your one on one matchups? Like I understand, you get

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Speaker 1: double teamed, you might get pushed out the gap. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're getting double teamed. But for those one on one situations,

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Speaker 1: you can't be velcrow. You gotta be able to push

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Speaker 1: guys off, shed blocks and make plays.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's what you know.

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Speaker 1: Being in the National Football league's about us winning your

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Speaker 1: one on ones at making plays. And so far this season,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's been a couple sprinkles of it here.

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Speaker 1: The Cleveland game, they played pretty well against the run Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: They did a decent job against Nagie Harris and.

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Speaker 3: The crew out there.

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Speaker 1: But I just haven't seen enough consistency when you talk

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Speaker 1: about the front seven winning their one on one battles

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Speaker 1: and making plays out there, Like I understand, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I said I said a little bit earlier, the

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Speaker 1: double teams are gonna happen. You know, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: plays where some guy's gonna try to, you know, play

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Speaker 1: hero ball, make the play swimming in the wrong gap.

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Speaker 1: I understand those things happen. But when you're in your

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Speaker 1: gap and you know your responsibility, what you got to do.

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Speaker 1: You just got to beat the man across from you.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough of that so far this season,

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Speaker 1: So to me, right now, I'm kind of kind of wavering.

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Speaker 1: I want to see what they do when they get

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Speaker 1: fully back and healthy. But you gotta start winning these

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Speaker 1: one on one battles.

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Speaker 3: Man, you got some.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna take the other side of the line here,

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Speaker 7: because to me, this is where I was wrong about

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Speaker 7: this team. I felt like that this offensive line could

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Speaker 7: be a strength and it's truly not. You know, you've

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Speaker 7: got a situation. We've talked about what's going on on

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Speaker 7: the right side. The bar has been set so high

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Speaker 7: for Zack Martin in a Hall of Fame career. He's

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Speaker 7: you know, whether he's dealing with the back injury. I

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Speaker 7: mean the stuff popped up during the week that you

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Speaker 7: know that he gets a veteran day. They're trying to

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Speaker 7: do their best. It's not the same Zach Martin. You know,

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Speaker 7: Zach Martin is now kind of a mortal player. He

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Speaker 7: looks like a mere mortal the way he's playing. And

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Speaker 7: you know, there was a time where Zach Martin when

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Speaker 7: he you know, he was his ability to punish those tackles,

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Speaker 7: you know, and help in the twist games and things

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Speaker 7: like that. He's given up more pressures than he's ever

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Speaker 7: given up. You know, he's he's really struggling with some

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Speaker 7: of his power. Man, his back might be bothering, his

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Speaker 7: base might be bothering him. You know, we talked about

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Speaker 7: a little bit about Terrence Still the right side. They've

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Speaker 7: had some struggles over there. You got a rookie center

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Speaker 7: that has to learn how to play the inside twist game.

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Speaker 7: And Mike McCarthy said it yesterday in the press conference.

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Speaker 7: He says, we're getting a lot more line movement and

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Speaker 7: that's because Geiton excuse me, Bebe is so aggressive and

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Speaker 7: trying to pass his guy. He gets stuck and then

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Speaker 7: here comes the looper over the top and he can't

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Speaker 7: get back. And now Dak I mean the ball that

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Speaker 7: went down the sidelines. If you talked about Jerry Jones

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Speaker 7: is always believed, you know, keep the middle of the

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Speaker 7: pocket firm so that the quarterback can step up and

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Speaker 7: throw really bad example of this the other day for

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys was the ball that went down to Tolbert

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Speaker 7: where everybody says he lost it.

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Speaker 3: In the sun.

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Speaker 7: But if Dak has the ability to step up, he

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Speaker 7: really just kind of throws it just with his arm,

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Speaker 7: not with a step.

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Speaker 3: Ball goes out further.

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Speaker 7: It's probably a touchdown, and that's because Zach Martin gave

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Speaker 7: up a pressure inside the McNeil. You know, here you

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Speaker 7: go and now Dak has nowhere to step but there,

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Speaker 7: you know, there's a struggle there.

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Speaker 3: Your most consistent player is.

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Speaker 7: Tyler Smith at guard, and he's had to play a

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Speaker 7: couple of different spots, which we all know. And then

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Speaker 7: you got what's going on with Geyton on the way

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Speaker 7: we've been accustomed for so many years of plug and play,

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Speaker 7: plug and play, plug and play, you know, first round guy,

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Speaker 7: plug and Play's gonna be an All Pro. This is

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Speaker 7: kind of the first year where it's been like it's

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Speaker 7: been a real big learning curve has really been steep.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know if it's because Guidance playing on

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Speaker 7: the right side at Oklahoma now he's playing on the

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Speaker 7: left side, but there's a there's a learning curve there,

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Speaker 7: and this is what worries me about the team going forward.

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Speaker 7: I think the line right now, which I thought was

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Speaker 7: going to be a strength, right now has its issues

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Speaker 7: at certain spots, and I think it's affecting the way

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Speaker 7: the offense is being able to function.

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Speaker 1: Quick question, So do you believe that this offensive line

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Speaker 1: can be better run blocking or they're just as bad.

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Speaker 7: When you talk about the problem, the problem you run into,

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Speaker 7: Barry is like, you know, this is really unfair because

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Speaker 7: you watch Detroit's offensive line and Frank ragnow the center

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Speaker 7: and how and then you watch you know, they've got

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Speaker 7: good Yeah, Penny sewel and Decker is not great at

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Speaker 7: left tackle, but he's but it's four guys and hiding one.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's it's not like one guy hiding four.

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Speaker 7: You know, Dallas is kind of in that mode where

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Speaker 7: there we're kind of you know, it's kind of not good.

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Speaker 7: They're in the offensive line right now. But when you

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Speaker 7: watch Dallas block, say the you know, much better against

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Speaker 7: the Steelers, which I thought was going to be a big,

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Speaker 7: big issue. You know, the combination blocks they just do

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Speaker 7: not get. Guys, everybody that kills Dallas in the running

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Speaker 7: game gets second level blocks.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's center up on linebacker, guard up on linebacker.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's tackle up on linebacker.

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Speaker 7: I mean it is Everybody that kills you in the

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Speaker 7: running game doesn't have any respect for your down linemen.

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Speaker 3: They just don't.

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Speaker 7: They shove and go, shove, go, and Dallas has to

660
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Speaker 7: the way their scheme is, Dallas, you know, hip to hip,

661
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 7: try and push and then push that guy off. Where

662
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 7: teams that you're playing, Saints Ravens, this Detroit bunch, they don't.

663
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Speaker 7: They just they they trust their guys to go one

664
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Speaker 7: on one and get somebody on the second level. And

665
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Speaker 7: now you got the ball, So Dallas, Dallas leaves. I'll

666
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Speaker 7: say this, if you're running game requires that that Tolbert

667
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 7: blocks Hutchinson on the back side and gets that block,

668
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Speaker 7: and your running game is going to it's gonna it's

669
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Speaker 7: gonna hinge on getting that block.

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Speaker 3: That ain't you may want to change your scheme.

671
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Speaker 7: Yeah, when when when Tolbert is trying to go inside

672
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Speaker 7: and cut off Aiden Hutchinson from getting to the.

673
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Speaker 3: Ball, you're maybe maybe you need.

674
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Speaker 7: To look at listen. I'm not a line coach, I'm

675
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Speaker 7: not an offensive coordinator. I was just a scout, you know.

676
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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to find you players that maybe

677
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Speaker 7: I can get you, Maybe I can get you a

678
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Speaker 7: wide receiver a Deebo Sam who can block a they

679
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 7: can block Ad Hutchinson. Maybe I can get you a

680
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 7: you know, maybe I could get you. I mean Ryan

681
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 7: floorin Away is a big guy and when he when

682
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Speaker 7: he blocked in the Pittsburgh game, he could have got

683
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Speaker 7: called for holding in two plays.

684
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Speaker 3: He'll try.

685
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Speaker 7: But but if your scheme requires you to take a

686
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Speaker 7: wide receiver and cut the backside off, you might be

687
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Speaker 7: you know, you might be might be in for a

688
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Speaker 7: long day.

689
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Speaker 6: Usually usually when we're watching the game, because we watch

690
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Speaker 6: the games in the studio between.

691
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Speaker 3: Throw at the screen. Man Barry was there this past week.

692
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Speaker 6: He would have died on that play because, I mean, Isaiah,

693
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 6: Nate and I were talking about and we're like, what.

694
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Speaker 3: What is going well?

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Speaker 7: Well, a lot of times you see teams will take

696
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Speaker 7: in teams to play the Cowboys, especially Parsons on the backside,

697
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 7: Tanks on the backside. They'll take a tight end and

698
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 7: they might they might step right and then bring that

699
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 7: tight end back, you know, they bring the block, they

700
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 7: crack they kind of they bring a motion and crack

701
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Speaker 7: that in and they crack that in and then get

702
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Speaker 7: everybody front.

703
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Speaker 6: So it's not really even Tolbert. It's just it's a

704
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Speaker 6: leverage deal.

705
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. Didn't happen, so Tolbert and you know,

706
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Speaker 3: God bless him.

707
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Speaker 7: I mean, he tries, but it's like it's like firing

708
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Speaker 7: tennis balls off a tank.

709
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Speaker 3: You know, it just ain't gonna work.

710
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Speaker 7: And I'm sure there's somebody whos gonna listen to this

711
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Speaker 7: program and go, Dann brought us. You don't know what

712
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 7: the hell you're talking about. But I'm watching the scheme

713
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 7: and I'm like going, if you're thinking your wide receiver

714
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 7: is going to block an all pro edge, you know,

715
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Speaker 7: there's a lot of time where Dallas kind of very

716
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Speaker 7: correct me on this one. Okay, man, I'm sorry, I'm

717
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 7: just doing this. But the interception that that Dak through

718
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Speaker 7: in the corner of the end zone, that that branch guy.

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Speaker 7: How many times in practice would you have run that play?

720
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Speaker 7: Maybe three times? And every time the coaches tell the

721
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Speaker 7: safety to or the corner.

722
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Speaker 3: Okay, react to the flat right, jump the flat, jump

723
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Speaker 3: the float over there. Make sure you're jumping it on

724
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Speaker 3: the car. Jump the flat, jump the flat.

725
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Speaker 7: But then you're not You're you're you're doing in the game,

726
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Speaker 7: and it's like three times in the practice.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna, he's gonna.

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Speaker 9: I'm who's all of a sudden, Yeah, you got a

729
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Speaker 9: young You've got a young, a young safety corner that

730
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Speaker 9: knows how to And he's like he sees the fake.

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Speaker 3: Screen to tall Bert and he's like huh and.

732
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Speaker 6: He's like, I don't have any help over that.

733
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Speaker 7: He's looking at Dak and he's going, he ain't throwing

734
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Speaker 7: the ball the flat and he sits right there and

735
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 7: then he just sinks.

736
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a football play right there.

737
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Speaker 7: But I guarantee you in practice three times they ran

738
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Speaker 7: that play and all three times they hit it.

739
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Speaker 3: In the corner. It's because jump the floot, you know.

740
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Speaker 3: And it's it's always play. I mean always it's.

741
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Speaker 7: It's it's it's a little maddening, it is.

742
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Speaker 3: But see, because that's what happens.

743
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 7: I think they get in the game and they're like, oh,

744
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 7: this motion will influence. They don't motion enough to influence.

745
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Speaker 7: Like you watch teams that really are good at like

746
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 7: the play actually the motion. The teams you play that

747
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 7: have two motions emotion and in another motion. The Saints

748
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 7: people like that. So you know, when you do that

749
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 7: kind of stuff, when you're moving bodies and playing with

750
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 7: Barry's eyes, it's safety. Sit there, going damn, they're moving,

751
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 7: and then they're moving again, you know, and now you're thinking, well,

752
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 7: and they moved on and they play before that, and

753
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 7: all that in the back of your head. Another example here,

754
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 7: you know, they the Lions, they they have like they

755
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 7: have three on one side and then they have say,

756
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 7: Saint Brown on the other side, and they run three

757
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 7: guys outside the numbers. I mean, they take three guys,

758
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 7: so they're taking three defenders away and they're running Saint

759
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 7: Brown inside to replace all the movement that happened here.

760
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 7: And now the ball's right there and it's a twelve

761
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 7: yard game and you're going, damn, look what they just did.

762
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 7: They moved three defenders with that, they got everybody out

763
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 7: of the out of the way, and then they ran

764
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Speaker 7: a guy inside.

765
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Speaker 3: But see that happens.

766
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 7: When you run a lot of movement, motion kind of

767
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 7: you know, make a lot of you know, a lot

768
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 7: of eye candy, eye wash.

769
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Speaker 6: Yeah, for these guys, did you hate motion when you

770
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 6: played or was it like not that big a deal.

771
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Speaker 1: I hated motion because you know, I had to communicate

772
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Speaker 1: throughout the entire defense.

773
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Speaker 3: All they're doing here, we gotta switch.

774
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 7: Up to here, we gotta switch and they're playing in

775
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and nobody can hear him yelling correct, you know.

776
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 6: And maybe I'm just a young guy who likes offense

777
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 6: and whatever. Like if there's a defen who played as

778
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 6: long in the league as you did, Yeah, that says

779
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 6: I hate.

780
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Speaker 3: Motion, Then why would you not run motion? Well, it's constant.

781
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Speaker 7: A lot of teams are I'm just saying that Dallas

782
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 7: is more of a static team. It's that's how they play.

783
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 7: That's how they've always.

784
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: That's how they play.

785
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 7: But to me, I mean, I get to watch a

786
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 7: lot of tape of other teams, and when you watch

787
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 7: these teams like the Lions and stuff, and it's pretty simple.

788
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Dallas did a good job.

789
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 7: If you look at the one arm, the one arm,

790
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 7: the one hand catch that Lamb had, he switches, he

791
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 7: switches his route so he's like lined up and then

792
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 7: he moves outside. They get a slot blitz and now

793
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 7: he runs like the arrow inside. But it makes Branch

794
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 7: have to cover from depth because they're trying to replace

795
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 7: the they're trying to replace the blitzer. Yeah, so all

796
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 7: of a sudden, it's like, ah, got you bowl. Here

797
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 7: we go one hand, catch up the field going and

798
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 7: you're like going. And poor Dak he deals with tight

799
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 7: window throws. There's not a there's not a dude that

800
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 7: throws more tight window balls than this guy.

801
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 6: It's actually statistically and he number one and nobody complete

802
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 6: score tight window throws than the suit very much.

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Speaker 3: So.

804
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but it just to me when you start to

805
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 7: talk about playing the Lions and playing the Ravens and

806
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 7: playing the quarterback at the Ravens, was the big problem

807
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 7: in that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's distresses everybody else escape.

809
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 7: The Lions, the line and the running backs with the

810
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 7: issue here in this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had their way.

812
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 6: They had their way early and often against the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: All Right, that's reasons to be pessimistic. We kind of

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Speaker 6: went through the x's and O side of things as well.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Reasons for optimism. There's still some out there.

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Speaker 6: May not be very prevalent right now because of the

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876
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 6: ways to catch these guys after this week of mixing

877
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 6: and matchinggan shows.

878
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: This is the the.

879
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 6: Break or talking break lounge is what I can talk

880
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: with Talking break Lounge.

881
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: That's what we get. Talking in the lounge, talking in

882
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 3: the lounge. I like that break, take a break, talk

883
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: the lounge. There we go. Look off the top of

884
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: edge you should just take that for your shit.

885
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 6: Take it that way like break is in the SEO,

886
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: and we can get it all there.

887
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 3: We go up at nine am tomorrow, by the way,

888
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: nine am. Yeah, back at nine am regular time.

889
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 6: We had to flip flop some things today, all right,

890
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: reasons for positivity, reasons for positivity. How much better can

891
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 6: this team get, Brian, and when you get these guys

892
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 6: back from injury.

893
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: No, that's your hope right there.

894
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 7: I think the positivity to me would be last year

895
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 7: when they had their Cross the Hall meetings. The offense

896
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 7: was before the Cross the Hall meetings, before the break

897
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 7: where the offense was very poor. It was very stagnant,

898
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 7: very stale. My hope is that that you know, as

899
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 7: the players, because of collective bargaining, you don't get the

900
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 7: practice like you need to practice. I mean, Barry would

901
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 7: tell you that he used to practice till a Friday

902
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 7: and then get a Saturday off and then have to

903
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 7: be back Sunday. Now yeah, no farce. I mean all

904
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 7: these guys they did all that stuff. But now that

905
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 7: because of collective bargain, this is an opportunity for the

906
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 7: coaches to have their cross the Hall meetings with each

907
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 7: other and you know, Mike Zimmer sit down and look

908
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 7: at the offense, you know, and Shot and Hind Brian

909
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 7: Shot Himmer sit down and look at the defense, kind

910
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 7: of figure out some things. But you know, last year

911
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 7: you came out of this, the offense became much better. Yeah,

912
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 7: And to me, that's my hope that is that some

913
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 7: of these things that now the coaches have the next

914
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 7: five to six days the ability to sit down and

915
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 7: really get into their tendencies, get into things that work,

916
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 7: h things that didn't work, maybe reevaluate why did we

917
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 7: have this in the game plan, why do we need

918
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 7: we need to put this in the game plan. That's

919
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 7: my hope that that that that the same type of

920
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 7: different looking ideas and schemes come to the forefront this

921
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 7: time around.

922
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: That's that's my hope.

923
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 7: Because you're not going to add any more players, You're

924
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 7: just not and so you're going only get players back

925
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 7: that are healthy, you know, that's the thing, and you

926
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 7: just again, you know, you just don't need any more injuries.

927
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 7: Maybe Dallas has got through their injury parts for this

928
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 7: uh for this time.

929
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, knocking on wood.

930
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: For sure, But uh, that's my hope that that that

931
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 7: that the.

932
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: Scheme that things.

933
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 7: The scheme may be a little bit different, maybe some

934
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 7: adjustments of more of the good take out the bat.

935
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 6: This is, of course, the second straight year that the

936
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 6: Cowboys have had a week seven bye week. They had

937
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 6: it last year too, And if you look at the teams,

938
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 6: they were four and two at the bye last year.

939
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 6: They're three and three this year, so one game difference,

940
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 6: And honestly, the way they lost their two games last.

941
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: Year were similar.

942
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 6: You lost to a team you probably shouldn't have lost

943
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 6: too the.

944
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: Years Cardinals, they kicked your ass.

945
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 6: You got your ass kicked against San Francisco forty two

946
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 6: to ten game, very similar to what just happened in Detroit.

947
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 6: Now it was on the road and it was against

948
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 6: the same FRAN team that, oh, by the way, was

949
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 6: coming off of an NFC title game appearance, just like

950
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 6: the Detroit Lions. So similar loss. You found your way

951
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: back right before the bye with a tight win. Not

952
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: a great played football game against the Chargers, but you

953
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 6: found a way. Same kind of thing happened in Pittsburgh.

954
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 6: You found a way, wasn't a great played football game.

955
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 6: Is actually the same exact score twenty to seventeen, so

956
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 6: it's not that different. Now there's one game difference, and

957
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 6: that's going to play a schedule that's a lot tougher

958
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 6: this year than it was.

959
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the problem now.

960
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: So you're about to go into a portion of the

961
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 6: season that's the toughest stretch out of maybe and you

962
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 6: could argue in the NFL in terms of toughest schedule

963
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 6: to play as a player on the bye week in

964
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 6: that situation where you're saying, Okay, it hasn't been good,

965
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 6: there's a lot of things to fix. I know I'm off,

966
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 6: but is there an extra step that you can take

967
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 6: realistically with the collective bargaining agreement and the way that

968
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 6: things are set up.

969
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: Well, you guys, you know, you know said it perfectly.

970
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: Ross went with the players and how the coaches can

971
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: get better at it. You went to you know, last year,

972
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: how that situation handled. And if I'm a player in

973
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: this locker room, I'm looking at it like this. Yeah,

974
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: we played like you know, boo boo for a couple

975
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: of games out there, but every goal is still obtainable.

976
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: You're three and three and just look at the division.

977
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 6: Your one game out itself.

978
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: The Giants.

979
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really believes they're playing a little

980
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: bit better. But you know, there's still a couple of

981
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: years out. In my opinion, Philadelphia is holding on by

982
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: a string right now.

983
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 6: Head coach Turmoil all that you were one game out

984
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 6: of the bye week last year as well.

985
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: Out and in Washington, who's been playing great. They've you know,

986
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's got their players playing, you know, quarterbacks, quarterbacks

987
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: playing great. LSU guy's been playing unbelievable. But I want

988
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to see can he do that throughout the rest of

989
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: the season. So all your goals are still there. I mean,

990
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: you're three and three, one game out. There's still a

991
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: lot of football left to be played. You're gonna get

992
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: your guys back, hopefully healthy, hopefully soon, and you're gonna

993
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: go out there and you got to play better. I mean,

994
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom line. You gotta play better defensively, offensively,

995
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: special teams I think has been playing outstanding, But everybody

996
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: has a collective group has got to go out there too.

997
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 7: You know what bothers me and Barry can address this.

998
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 7: So I hate this when it bothers me so much.

999
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 7: When the head coach talks about preparation and then the

1000
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 7: players talk about preparation, and it's and it's always curely go.

1001
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: On the coaching well, it's always after the loss. It's

1002
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 3: always never need to practice better.

1003
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 7: And I'm like thinking, Okay, we just wasted seven days

1004
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 7: to get ready for what to get get.

1005
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: Our eyes handed to us.

1006
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 7: You know, if that's the case, A man, that's a

1007
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 7: that's a that's a question. Is the general manage you

1008
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 7: asks like, why do you guys keep talking about preparation?

1009
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 7: What are we doing differently that we haven't done before?

1010
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 7: Is there something that we need to change? Is there

1011
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 7: something that we need to adjust? You know that bothers me.

1012
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 7: That is every time I hear a player or a

1013
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 7: coach say practice wasn't really particularly very good. I know

1014
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 7: you're not gonna have great practices every single day, but

1015
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 7: if you're telling me when a great week of practice, yeah,

1016
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 7: then why why wasn't it a great week of practice?

1017
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: Was it the way it was set up? How do

1018
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: you fix it? How do you fix that?

1019
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 7: Because if that, if the players believe that's the reason why,

1020
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 7: and the coach believes that's the reason why, something's got

1021
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 7: to change, something's got to change, you can't sit there

1022
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 7: just every every time you get blasted by a team,

1023
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 7: come out and say, need to work harder. Mike told

1024
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 7: us yesterday and the press camerags he goes, you know,

1025
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 7: we work hard. That part of it is hard, but

1026
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 7: we don't always practice well. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, well,

1027
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 7: who's responsibility that is?

1028
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm saying. And I and I and

1029
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't get.

1030
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 6: To watch practice like I used to nobody.

1031
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: I wish, I wish I and I'm not talking.

1032
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 7: I mean I wish when I was in personnel, I

1033
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 7: could go out there and think we're gonna get our

1034
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 7: ass handed to us today, or hey, this team is

1035
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 7: on the screws. You know, we're on the screws. We're

1036
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 7: gonna this is going to be a good game for us,

1037
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 7: you know, because you can watch and see what things

1038
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 7: look like they might work and which ones when you

1039
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 7: watch the tape, it's like, we got no chance in health.

1040
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 7: They're putting that in the game plan. Yeah, you know,

1041
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 7: and and there's a lot of things that we got

1042
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 7: no chance in health. If we put that in the

1043
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 7: game plan. They need to fix that. But that's a

1044
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 7: negative thing.

1045
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: But my hope.

1046
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 7: My hope is that some of the faults now that

1047
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 7: they could step back, look at the analytics even further

1048
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 7: and kind of dive into where you're good and where

1049
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 7: you've struggled and find a way to understand why you

1050
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 7: struggled so bad.

1051
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. My dad all the time was always

1052
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: he had this mantra.

1053
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 6: Of course, the cliche is practice makes perfect. Right, he said, no,

1054
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 6: practice does not make perfect perfect. Practice makes perfect.

1055
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: That's part of it. Because you can practice the wrong thing,

1056
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: pure and simple.

1057
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 6: You can have bad reps and bad practice that put

1058
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 6: you in a bad spot moving forward. Not saying that

1059
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 6: that's constantly the case, but if it's coming from Mike McCarthy,

1060
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 6: if it's coming from the head show.

1061
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: It's coming from the players and the players.

1062
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 7: I think that when you watch Dak stand up there

1063
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 7: and Dak has to take the arrows after the law

1064
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: of time, he takes the arrows up there, and and

1065
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: then he says, you know, we just need to practice better.

1066
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: You need to become better.

1067
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 7: Professionals need to and you're going that's keeping you from

1068
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 7: winning these games, Well, then damn do something about it.

1069
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Like when do you realize, man, this was a bad

1070
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: practice after the loss or like, you know, as you're

1071
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: going through practice, did you did when did you realize it? Well,

1072
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: when I was playing, they were allowed to start the

1073
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: whole thing over.

1074
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 11: Yea.

1075
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes you saw coaches, man just ain't good enough, start

1076
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: this whole period over again. I don't know if you're

1077
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: able to do that anymore, but you know that's what

1078
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: they used to do when I.

1079
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: Was playing, that would be that would be enough for

1080
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: me to do it.

1081
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 6: We're having a bad show where thirty five minutes in

1082
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 6: and beamers in the back, he's like, guys, flipp reset,

1083
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: but let's start this thing over. I'd be like, Okay,

1084
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: I'm on my p's and q's, I'm there, I'm ready,

1085
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 6: let's ride.

1086
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 3: Let's let's do this.

1087
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe not the same era and it's not,

1088
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 6: but either way, you got to.

1089
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: Find a way.

1090
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 6: That's on your leaders, that's on your coaching staff, that's

1091
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 6: on your quarterback, it's on everybody that has a significant

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Speaker 6: role of leadership in the building, and you got to

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Speaker 6: get it right well.

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Speaker 3: And again, the front office, everybody takes. Everybody takes a turn.

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Speaker 7: At this thing, and so they need to sit down

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Speaker 7: this week and kind of go through those meetings and

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Speaker 7: figure out really what the main thing. If your players

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Speaker 7: aren't good enough, that's one thing. But if you're getting

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Speaker 7: beat because you're not scheming correctly or preparations not good enough,

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Speaker 7: then that that's something that that.

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Speaker 3: To me is you know, we need to do something different.

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Speaker 6: And just to end it on a high note if

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Speaker 6: we're if you're going to expect improvement significantly because of

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Speaker 6: a bye week, it's probably not going to come from

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Speaker 6: the player side of things immediately because they're off, they

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Speaker 6: are away, they are not in the building. But your

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Speaker 6: coaching staff this is where it's got. They're in the building.

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Speaker 6: This is where preparation can be turned around.

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Speaker 3: This is where the.

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Speaker 7: General manager needs to walk down the hall and kind

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Speaker 7: of have some individual meetings with guys and just kind

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Speaker 7: of and you know, him and Steven and Will McLay

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Speaker 7: they need to and you know, and hey, we'll see,

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Speaker 7: I mean, we'll see how that all plays out, but

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Speaker 7: hopefully they get that done.

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Speaker 3: Last year, coming out of the.

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Speaker 6: By I had the the neck and neck of what

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Speaker 6: it looked like they had the Rams, the Eagles, the Panthers,

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Speaker 6: the Commanders, the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Is not in that.

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Speaker 6: Specific order, but they were the next five teams up.

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Speaker 3: Not that way. This year. You've got damn well Houston.

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Speaker 6: Not very easy for the Dallas Cowboys, but we're going

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Speaker 6: to figure it out. We're going to figure it out

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Speaker 6: on our side of things at least. But we'll be

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Speaker 6: back tomorrow with more Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: This is fun, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: Thank you great for great having you guys, Thanks for

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Speaker 6: stopping by, and we'll do it again tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Nine A.

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Speaker 6: Barry Church can get back out on the golf course

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Speaker 6: and make sure for Brian brought us Barry Church for

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Speaker 6: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so

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Speaker 6: long from Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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