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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Abby's step I disappeared in October two thousand and fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but no one has come forward with information. She is

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Speaker 1: still missing and that is why her family announced today

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Speaker 1: they're increasing the reward to fifty dollars. We believe there

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Speaker 1: are people out there that were with her day, or

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Speaker 1: they are too prior to her disappearance that may have

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Speaker 1: information about what happened to her or who she was with.

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Speaker 1: The case moved to a cold case squad with four

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Speaker 1: retired homicide detectives. A lot of mistakes were made, things

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Speaker 1: were missed, and when the homicide squad got the case,

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Speaker 1: they had to start all over, start over from day one.

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Speaker 1: They're following new leads, working in conjunction with the FBI.

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Speaker 1: I'm un present, confident that it's being worked. It's being

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Speaker 1: worked hard. Missing but not forgotten, Missing but not forgotten.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about a beautiful young girl, Ebbie Stepic. Ebbie Stepic,

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Speaker 1: now gone vanishing. With me her mother, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to our special guest, Ebbie's mother, Lorie Journegan,

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Speaker 1: also with me, little rock radio host Dot Washburn to

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Speaker 1: both of you, Welcome to Syria. Sex M one two.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear all about Ebby. First to you,

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Speaker 1: Lori Jurnagin. Tell me what happened when Ebby went missing.

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Speaker 1: Start at the beginning. For our listeners that don't know Ebbi. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is so overwhelming. I'm sorry if I start crying. UM.

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Speaker 1: Ebbie was a senior, had just started high school, had

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Speaker 1: started a new school by her choice, UM, and she

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Speaker 1: went to a party. She was staying with my son,

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Speaker 1: her brother. She went to a party on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: October and was assaulted sexually assaulted. UM. She found out

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Speaker 1: that it was being recorded, so she left the party.

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Speaker 1: She contacted my husband Saturday evening UM and told him

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Speaker 1: told him that she wanted that. She did call the police, UM,

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Speaker 1: they were not helpful. She told my husband exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: She mentioned she had also text other friends and told

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Speaker 1: him what happened. So this guy that raped her, she

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Speaker 1: knew him correct from school? From school and is that

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that went on to get a

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Speaker 1: scholarship up to school? Exactly? Mm hmm okay, Uh, so

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Speaker 1: that happens that night. She doesn't tell you because she

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Speaker 1: doesn't want you upset. She tells her dad instead. Did

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Speaker 1: they report the rape? No, he did not. Ebby called

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Speaker 1: She did not get any answers from the police what

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Speaker 1: of coming downtown reporting it. So after she told my

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Speaker 1: Before they met, Ebby disappeared. Oh my stars, I didn't understand.

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Speaker 1: I did not understand that that timeline, because what I

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Speaker 1: Your husband, her stepfather was supposed to meet her there,

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Speaker 1: but when he gets there, she's gone. Her family never

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Speaker 1: My son called her. She finally answered the phone. He said,

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Speaker 1: by she sounded disoriented? She didn't sound drunk or slurring,

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Speaker 1: That that's what was going on. He called my husband.

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Speaker 1: That's where they were trying to do. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: Little Rock radio hosts joining us. Isn't it true that

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Speaker 1: a few days after she disappears, her car it was

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Speaker 1: do we know? Doc? Yeah, the car was found and

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Speaker 1: Sure well, the the guy, the guy didn't know it

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Speaker 1: Ebbie's name is on the title, and her birth father's

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Speaker 1: unimaginable to me that this girl, this young girl, high schooler,

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Speaker 1: we interviewed him and everything, etcetera, etcetera. Months later to

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Speaker 1: that apparently this guy had a video on a thumb drive,

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Speaker 1: who is Abby's mom? What is Dot Washburn saying about

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Speaker 1: What verbal abuse is Dot talking about? Lorie? Okay, it

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Speaker 1: her contact lenses. No teen girl wants to be separated

425
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: from her cell phone. I can tell you that much.

426
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: So let me go to our special guest dot Washburn,

427
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Little Rock radio host and Ebby's mother, Lorie Journe. Again, Lorie,

428
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: have there been any sightings of her at all since

429
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: she went missing? She's completely off the grid. She's not

430
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: on social media. She hasn't been seen anywhere. No, one

431
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: has talked to her. Our detective said she's literally vanished

432
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. Ebbie was. Ebbie was

433
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: all about social media. She was on social media all

434
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: the time, as kids are. She's not been on anything

435
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: anywhere the FBI or involved in it. They can't find

436
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: any trace of her on social media anywhere. I'm reading

437
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: a post that you, Laurie Jernigan posted. It says, Lord God, Almighty,

438
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: maker of heaven and Earth. I asked, boldly, give me

439
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Ebby today. Tell me what was going through your mind

440
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: when you wrote that, Laurie. Now I write that I

441
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: feel that every day I pray to have her every day.

442
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: I have a very strong faith. But this will sure

443
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: make you question it. And I plead. We have every

444
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: Spacebook page and we have so many followers that pray

445
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: for her and pray for us every day. I don't

446
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: even know most of these people, but Ebbie has touched

447
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: their heart. In the mystery, you can't you can't just disappear.

448
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: You just can't disappear. And I don't understand FBI, you know,

449
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: law enforcement. No one can find what happened to her,

450
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: can't find her or find what happened to her. You know,

451
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me. It's amazing to me Dot Washburn

452
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: police told the parents not to go public. That that

453
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: why you know, that's the six or four tho dollar question, Nancy.

454
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: I wish I knew. But again, the way they treated

455
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: this family, at least the the police with the Little

456
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Right Police Department, who were supposedly supposed to be doing

457
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the investigation for the first eight months is it's an outrage. Um.

458
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: You know that the people who picked up the ball

459
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: after the first eight months seemed to have been doing

460
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: a good job, but so much was lost in that

461
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: initial time period that you can't go back and get.

462
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: What's amazing to me is that the rape was never

463
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: investigated and the alleged rapist has now gone off to

464
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: college with a scholarship. The alleged rapist. I can't outright

465
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: say rape because it was never even investigated. So nobody's

466
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: a suspect, nobody's a perpetrator, nobody's person of interest because

467
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: it was never investigated. And then the videotape, as I

468
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: understand it was on a hard drive was on and

469
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: that's been lost. Explained that to me, do the thumb

470
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: drive that I was talking about was was the video

471
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: of where the car was found the security guy at

472
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the development. Wait wait, wait, there's surillance video of her

473
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: car being driven. What do we know about that video?

474
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: Is it real? Is that her car? Well, you know,

475
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: if the Little Rock Police Department, if the people at

476
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: the Little Rock Police Department hadn't lied and said, yeah,

477
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: we interviewed the security guy out at the development, and

478
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: months later the p I found out, well, no, that's

479
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: not true. They didn't interview him, and he had a

480
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: thumb drive with video of that area for several months

481
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: before he got rid of it. Um, you know that

482
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: there's so much like that that has been missed by

483
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: people who seem to be determined to not find out

484
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: what happened to this young lady. I have no doubt

485
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: in my mind that this is not a case of

486
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: a runaway. So many times police will label a case

487
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: as she's a runaway, she'll turn up. There is no way,

488
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: no way that Ebbie would have stayed gone this long,

489
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely no way that she would leave behind her cell phone.

490
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: That she would not have turned up. There would been

491
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: be no sightings of her whatsoever. Lori Jernigan, you're convinced

492
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: this is not a runaway, a runaway scenario, and I

493
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: agree with you. Why do you say that Ebbie is

494
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: so close to her family. We're very close. She she

495
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: would spend the night out, but she would come home. Um.

496
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: She wanted to be at home. She wanted her friends

497
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: to be at our home. She was more comfortable at home.

498
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: There's not a day that has been gone by in

499
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: her life that she's not We haven't been in contact

500
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: or with her, Um. There was no question she would

501
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: never do this. If she was mad at us or

502
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: mad at someone, she would still never stay out of

503
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: contact with us. Let's talk about the facts. Let's talk

504
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: about her cell phone. What evidence, if any, was recovered

505
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: from her cell phone? What were her last phone calls

506
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: and text Do you know that? No? I don't why

507
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: I've not been told that the FBI has it. The FBI?

508
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Would they allow you to see it? We first got

509
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: the phone, UM, in the very beginning, the little police

510
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: department gave us the phone and asked us if we

511
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: knew how to unlock it. Oh boy, that's not a

512
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: good sign and they couldn't get it unlocked. Well, I

513
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: don't know her past code. I assumed police officers knew

514
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: how to do that, Well, ours didn't. They didn't know

515
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: how to get into her Snapchat, her Instagram, her Facebook.

516
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: I literally had to download and copy the the directions

517
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: for law enforcement to get information from apps. I had

518
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: to download that. That's what you agree to when you

519
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: download any any app. I had to copy that and

520
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: give that to them so they can figure out how

521
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: out of contact Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. So the FBI has

522
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: it now. It's amazing to me that you don't know.

523
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: They haven't told you her her last text, her last voicemails,

524
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: who spoke to her last and you can definitely triangulate

525
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: or figure out where her cell phone had been prior

526
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: to finding it, and where it had been prior to

527
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: those last pings, if anybody contacted her said hey meet me,

528
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: anything like that. And why do you think dot Washburn

529
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: that her car turned up and this upscale housing development

530
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: that she has no connection to, It looks like somebody

531
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: dumped the car to me, I mean, look, if they

532
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: had the search done out there and they couldn't find

533
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: any trace that she had been in that development outside

534
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: that car, you know, even if she was abducted, it

535
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: doesn't look like she was abducted. There that that's the

536
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: one thing and the other thing. As to what Laurie

537
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: was talking about about how it seems to be like

538
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: pulling teeth to get the Little Life Police Department interested

539
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: in checking out social media, my understanding is, and I

540
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: don't know if it's changed since Eby disappeared, but the

541
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Little Like Police Department didn't have an I T. Guy. Uh,

542
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: they didn't know anything about social media. Oh, dear Lord

543
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: in Heaven. I mean, it wasn't that long ago. For

544
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: Pete's sake, every every force has an I T. Guy. Um,

545
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: this is what we know. Ebby Stepic disappears October two

546
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. No one has come forward with any information

547
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: to help find her. She's missing. As of right now,

548
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: the reward has increased for information leading to Ebbie's whereabouts.

549
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: It is now fifty thousand dollars. That's a lot of money.

550
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: Lori Jurna and her mom now has a little more

551
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: hope because we now know that a new team has

552
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: been assembled to help in the investigation. They are four

553
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: retired homicide detectives. Listen to what Detective Tommy Hudson says.

554
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: There are still leads being followed up on every Stopics disappearance.

555
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Not all the leads have been exhausted yet. It's a

556
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: long drawn out case. I can tell you that we

557
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: have resources from the FBI agent people run the building

558
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: NBI I'm listen here that are assist us in the case.

559
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm happy that the family has agreed to raise the

560
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: reward to be eighty thousand dollars. Any tempt that can

561
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: come in, we investigate. The one thing we do ask

562
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: the public is we're looking for information in regards to

563
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Miss stoics disappearance or what happened to Miss Stuby when

564
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: I were so much looking for information about opinions of

565
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: how the investigation should proceed, because what happens is when

566
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: people start sitting information about how the investigations should proceed

567
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: and bogs the investigation down. So we want the active

568
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: information that's out there that we believe somebody in the

569
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: public has about the disappears, particularly and Miss sticks friends

570
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: and the people that she ran around with, especially in

571
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: her social media contacts, that could help us the timeline

572
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: we have established in her disappearance. They may have something

573
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: that we can add to our initial timeline that may

574
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: help us look in a certain origin that may help

575
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: us try to find where he sat. Back to Laurie

576
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: journ Again, mother of missing Ebby Jane, Laura, tell me

577
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: how do you keep your hope alive that you will

578
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: see her again? Faith? My my belief in God. Um,

579
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that keeps me going. And when

580
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't have it, as other prayers that keep me going,

581
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: that's the only way I can keep going. UM. I

582
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: will fight whoever I need to fight until I find her,

583
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: until I find her body, until I find her, I

584
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: will fight till my last breath. I have made so

585
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: many enemies in our legal depart in our law enforcement

586
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, and I've had also I've also had

587
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: advocates show up in our police department. UM, that's where

588
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: my that's where my hope lives. Is our detective right now,

589
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Tommy Hudson, he's obsessed with this. He came out of

590
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: retirement for this case. That's that's the case he works

591
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: on full time. UM. We had an assistant Chief Bewley

592
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Wane Buweley that when he removed the case from our

593
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: original group, he apologized to me over and over of

594
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: how we were treated, how the case was mishandled we

595
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: had files falsified, we had um our original group investigators

596
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: get into her Google account and manipulate her account. There's

597
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 1: so many things that were done to, like God said,

598
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: prevent us from finding our daughter. They wanted to stick

599
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: with their theory she's a runaway, she'll come home. Of course,

600
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: police always look at those closest to a victim, and

601
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: that would include her stepfather. Police investigated him and he

602
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: has totally been cleared. There was even no suggestion that

603
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: he was involved in this, And I want to put

604
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: that in the listeners minds right now, because there was

605
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: nothing at all to suggest her brother or stepfather or

606
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: bio dad had anything to do with her disappearance. And

607
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying that because that's the first place all homicide

608
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: or kidnap investigations start with those family members and then

609
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: it goes out to uh, love objects, romantic interests. X says,

610
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: it goes from there. I'm gonna put it on the

611
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: record right now. The stepfather, the bio dad, the brother

612
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: have absolutely no nothing to do with Abby's disappearance. To

613
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Ebbe's mom, Laurie journagain, Laurie, when you think of Abby,

614
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: what is your most vivid memory how happy she is,

615
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: her love of people, animals, and her happiness, her affection.

616
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: She she loved, loved, loved, and she helped others that

617
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: gave her so much story to help others, her friends.

618
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: The constant theme is she would do anything for you,

619
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: and she she would. Um. I don't have that anymore.

620
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't have her here. I don't get to see

621
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: that face, hear her funny stories. I don't have that anymore.

622
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: And those that have come to know her through this investigation,

623
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: She's touched so many loves. She's touched so many loves

624
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: through all this. I have to fight for her because

625
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Ebbie is a fighter, and I have to share everything

626
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: that I have searched through. If it's human trafficking, if

627
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: it's corruption, I search and search and I share everything

628
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: I search. And that's what Ebby would do for me.

629
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: If you are listening now as we join forces to

630
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: help find Abby, if you have information, please call five

631
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: zero one three seven one four six six zero repeat

632
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: five zero one three seven one four six six zero,

633
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: or email to t as In toy T Hudson, t

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00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: h U D s O N at Little Rock dot gov.

635
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: T Hudson at Little Rock dot GOV five O one

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Speaker 1: three seven one four six six oh. There is a

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollar reward for information leading to the discovery

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Speaker 1: of Abby Stepic breaking news. Now we are just learning

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Speaker 1: regarding the beautiful Texas realtor, the mother who mysteriously goes

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Speaker 1: missing just before Harvey hits Texas, before all the bedlam,

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Speaker 1: the flooding, the evacuation, before Harvey hits, she goes missing

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Speaker 1: and using Harvey as a cover. It remains a mystery

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Speaker 1: what happened to Crystal Crystal McDowell, a mother of two

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Speaker 1: who vanishes the day just hours before Harvey lands in

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Speaker 1: the Gulf Coast area in southeast Texas. We're learning all

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Speaker 1: of this from Chambers County Shore of Brian Hawthorne. Crystal's body,

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Speaker 1: against all of our hopes and prayer, has been found.

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Speaker 1: This gorgeous mom has been found slain. Repeat, the body

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Speaker 1: of a Texas realtor has been found in a marshy

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Speaker 1: wooded area. This is over two weeks after she disappears

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Speaker 1: the day Hurricane Harvey makes landfall just before it hits.

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Speaker 1: It was not Harvey related. Joining me three special guests,

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Speaker 1: Paul Chambers, investigative reporter out of Texas Crime Stories contributor

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, renowned psychologists out of New York, and Paul Hargrave,

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Speaker 1: Crystal's boyfriend who was one of the last people to

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Speaker 1: see her and has been zealously seeking the truth regarding

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Speaker 1: her disappearance. Paul Hargrave, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us. When did you learn that Crystal's body had

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Speaker 1: been found? I received a phone call from the the

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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers. I thought that was very kind of him

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Speaker 1: to call me and and notify of me. Um. Non

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Speaker 1: answer is um, it's been a roller coaster of emotions

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Speaker 1: these past few days. Um, it's uh, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't even recall. It was sometime in the afternoon, around

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Speaker 1: two pm, and um, from that point forward, I left

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Speaker 1: work and cut in the car and drove so UM

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Speaker 1: my day. It's kind of washing together right now. But

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Speaker 1: I got a call around two o'clock from the Texas

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Speaker 1: Ranger to Paul Chambers, Texas based investigative reporter. Paul the

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Speaker 1: narrow question where was her body found and in what condition?

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Speaker 1: We don't know much about the crime scene, but her

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Speaker 1: body was discovered in a wooded area of West Chambers County.

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Speaker 1: They're not getting very specific, but they did tell us

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Speaker 1: that the body was found by the Texas Rangers and

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Speaker 1: detectives from the Chambers County Sheriff's Department. What's disturbing Paul

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Speaker 1: Chambers is her body out there all this time in

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Speaker 1: these horrible, horrible weather conditions as Harvey hits Texas. But

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Speaker 1: to Paul Hargrave, her boyfriend grieving now, Paul, I want

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Speaker 1: you to know, I know what you're going through. I

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Speaker 1: know exactly what you're going through, and I am so sorry.

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Speaker 1: And another thing that is upsetting me greatly as it

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Speaker 1: is you. I'm sure her children probably don't know enough

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Speaker 1: to to to understand this yet, but all of her

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Speaker 1: friends said when she went missing, they knew what happened.

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Speaker 1: It was not Harvey, it was not a failed evacuation attempt.

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Speaker 1: They knew what happened. Paul Hargrave, Is that true? That

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Speaker 1: is true, Nancy. We all had our suspicions. UM. I

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Speaker 1: voiced my concerns is and as profoundly as I could

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Speaker 1: to the detectives, to the Texas Ranger. However, because of

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Speaker 1: my position in this all, being a person of interest, UM,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it didn't hold much water. Um, the sheriff

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Speaker 1: thought probably it was just animosity between boyfriend and husband,

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Speaker 1: ex husband and ext husband and boyfriend. I tried it

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Speaker 1: to fleed my case. This is what we know now

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Speaker 1: regarding the disappearance and now the death of this beautiful mother,

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Speaker 1: Texas realtor Crystal Dowell. We know that there is foul play.

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Speaker 1: We know there is a suspect in custody. We'll bring

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Speaker 1: you the full story as we dig deep tomorrow. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,